Tree of Savior General - /tosg/

SHIT
DEAD
GAME

>Swordie
KYS YOURSELF KIM

WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE THEY SAID THEY WOULD BALANCE SWORDSMAN

NOW THEY NEED TO NERF THAT SHIT

Lancer looks balling

Whats the optimal buildup for it?

>>149209316
here you go famdragons

i speak chinese so i translated this for you

Templar (2 circles) Templar two circles are full-fledged battle This class is for the guild master to operate a guild. two-circle Templar can install new structures in the guild hideout. "Forge" will raise the physical damage of the guild members in proportion to the number. "shield Charger" after installing one minute 100 and earn a shield of (144,000 in 6000, one day at a time) between receiving the shield guild is a protective film on the HP that number, the HP will not decrease until the shield is 0. borne attacks. the because the shield is starting to earn from the guild one man hovering initialized back to zero, you will need on the inter-guild dictionary shield is effective in integrating guild battles (does not apply to in team Battle League) new skills "buff share" They can share unlimited buff of my guild members range. However, templars are the center can not move while using this skill

deuragun(dragon in japanese) (2 circles) of deuragun class is more team play in the second circle the secondary characteristics are stronger. ▲ "stand pentyne" will be added to the attributes that give all kinds of melee + 100% bonus damage on. If another warrior class in the party, let's properly utilize this feature. new skills "de Throne "can have the debuff effect rarely target the bosses. This attack is a boss monster hit temporarily movement and attack speed drops, and multiple bonus, the bonus granted to target the "Flying-type" Monster granted to the size and "small", "medium", "large" temporarily you will receive all judged. this skill because you have a knockback effect of long-range and short distances, can be useful for groups of checks to be used in PVP time to hunt a number of monster.

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>Lancer is a mounted class
>Lancer can knock people off mounts
>Lancer can pierce spells
>Lancer is literally Catagoon
so does every catagoon have to reroll now?

>swordie finally BALANCED
ayyy lmao

Too bad fencer didn't get much besides making a group of mobs take a minus to their crit resistance and the ability to literally disarm people in pvp if they manage to get close enough

Seeking lewdity and general ERP fun!

I'm trying to figure out what server to roll on.

neat jumping aoe sword move

>swordsman
literally who cares? this is the order that they should have released them in

wizard > archer > cleric > remove swordsman from the game nobody plays it nobody likes it

>dragoon gives your whole parties swordies +100% att
will this be the beginning of swordie dps?

Do Dragoons get their awesome helmet yet?

LANCER IS OP

MURMILLO DOESNT EVEN COMPARE

WHATTH EUFCK

>community asks to fix swordsman
>gets ridiculous r8s

NERF

>>149210007
FAIR AND BALANCED MOTHER FUCKER.
TOO LONG HAVE SWORDIES SUFFERED, ITS TIME FOR THE RISE OF THE SWORDIE

>>149209958
>didn't read the murmillo helmet buff

Anon...

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>Sword and not Archer
KILL ME

>>149210096
>reading corean
ya nah

>>149210132
>can block magic and arrows at significantly higher rate
>can block magic
>block magic

>>149210220
neat

>Murmillo's helmet buff buffs up the damage of shield-type skills

[Rodelposting intensifies]

>Templar C2 new crafts
Lolimeme, level up your templar, this skill was created for you

>>149210220
>Lancer is better at removing shit than Oracle
>Murmillo is better at blocking magic than Oracle

I've determined that IMC really REALLY hates Bokoracles.

NERF
E
R
F

What's the most OP r8 swordie?

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All these anti magic bullshits

Physical damage meta is upon us (pvp)

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>>149210438
>tfw i got a bokor3/oracle
just wait for the cleric preview it'll be good. i'm never wrong.

>>149209958
Murmillo is better against magic and ranged damage

>>149210536
>He made a bokor
>He got it to c3
Do you hate yourself?

this confirms the leak to be true

next up is inquisitor and daoshi

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tfw doppel>ele no longer a meme

>>149210525
MURMILLO
U
R
M
I
L
L
O

meh some of this new sword stuff looks cool, but still nothing that even remotely compares to frost cloud and magic arrow

I won't ever bring this deeps swordsmans to my pve content if there's a deeps wizard or archer available.

They look pretty cool for pvp tho, hope people found what they wanted in this new ranks.

>>149210536
Daoshi will save us! I'm sure of it!!

Hahahaa... we're so fucked.

Can someone translate Murmillo?

>>149210587
Bokor is one of the comfiest classes to level, anon.

>hate cata3s with every fiber of my being
>unironically believe them to be the worst cancer in arena and gvg
>they get a new PVP-focused class with the only skill that dismounts and the ability to fuck magic circles
are you FUCKING KIDDING ME AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>149210650
It wasn't a leak, it was the datamined patch in tosgbase, forum/reddit/inven go away

>>149210587
...

...

Maybe I do.

>>149210851
>it wasn't a leak, it was a leak.
Thank you, retard-kun.

Wait so doppel has a skill to buff other swords' damage in parties

So elememe is DEAD?

NERF THAT SHIT

>>149209707

>Seeking Lewdity

He's on Klaipeda, ask him to send you lewd crossdressing pics.

c3 doppel gets pure damage, not much more to say really

c3 fencer gets more buff (explosion of bonus damage every x amount of crits)/debuffs (minus massive amount of crit resistance for large amount of enemies) and the ability to literally disarm enemies in pvp which I guess might be pretty good if its a level 2 debuff or makes the dude actually lose the item

Dragoon gets team based buffs (including one that gives other swordies in your party close to the buff +100% attack) as well as boss cc (push back large amount of mobs including bosses)

Templar gets some crafts to boost members in gvg, nothing special here really

Lancer seems to be the literal god of pvp with abilties such as ignoring enemy deployment spells (e.g. frost cloud), destroying enemy deployment spells as well as knockback for structures not to mention the ability to dismount people, oh and they get a nice amount of raw damage

Murmillo is the defensive class thats focused on stuns and cc however its helmet is the main thing here, seems to boost strike based attacks and allow the user to block magic not to mention prevent the loss of movement or attack

>>149210893
It isn't a leak if it's easily available to everyone, you stupid imbecile

>>149210898
>Wait so doppel has a skill to buff other swords' damage in parties
No, Dragoon does.

So
What's the best PvP build now?
Sword3>Cata3>Goon>???

>itt retards are still oblivious that the game is dead
>retards think imc will bother releasing new content for 300 players

>>149211053
>imc will bother releasing new content for 300 players
Well, they're releasing it in Korea, so yes

>my theme song when i'm a monk who refuses to heal people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8-sMJZTYf0

>>149210773
>Comfy
>That AI

>>149210650
>Going to have to wait two more weeks for Archer info
This kills the fwee.

>>149211008
Wait so Dragoon has a skill to buff other swords' (Doppel's) damage in parties?

NERF THAT SHIT

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>>149210689
Ele no longer a meme. Implying I ever needed FC to kill you hahaha.

>>149209698
>resistance

Fencer new instance gives your crits 3x damage instead of 1.5, holy shit anon. Top single target DPS easily. Lv 15 Sept will do 400k damage alone

>Look at all the R8 stuff for Swordsmen
>Literally everything is PvP-focused

And people will still meme about minigames and shit. Carebears BTFO.

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>>149211001
>IMC removed Oracle ability to remove deployment spells and gave it to Lancers

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>>149211053
>post tos on /v/
>more people join the game

problem solved
moot is a retard for making /vg/

>>149211024
Sword3>Cata3>Goon>Lancer

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Archer Secret class fucking WHEN?

>>149211364
S U R R E N D E R E D

Xrd is getting mentioned a lot here now. Is it just Rance and his cronies?

>>149211024
S3 cata 3 corsair Lancer. Dragoon is shit

>>149211189
>>149210689
THEY KILLED ELEMEME

THEY KILLED IT FUCKING GODDAMN IT

>>149210689
>doppelposter was right all along
kek

You guys are also forgetting at the fact that doppel can now do 150% attack boost and STR bonus got buffed on Ktos.

So is a mounted swordie class now viable?
Might as well find the silver lining in being cockblocked on archer this week.

>>149211260
Anon, I'm sorry. This is all my fault.

Everything I like, IMC turns to shit.
I was huge on using Bwa 24/7 during icbt2 and suddenly IMC forgot how that shit's supposed to work.
I loved Oracle's yellow bubble and felt it justified taking the class for the monster-changing skills. IMC fucked that over.

I said fuck it and rolled a Cryokino. And loved it. IMC decided the shield on a purely defensive class should be nerfed without giving it anything in exchange, and they're finding fun ways to fuck over kinos.

IMC is basing every "balance" decision entirely on how they can shit on me specifically.

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Are we getting R8 at the same time as ktos?

Also when is R8 out?

>>149211749
I hope not. Who else is going to be the r8 guinea pig?

http://s.nx.com/s2/game/tos/obt/gwms/160722_0629/dw_8rs_doppel1.gif

Frost cloud BTFO

>>149211749
>Are we getting R8 at the same time as ktos?

Ahahaha, no.

>>149211749
2017

>>149211749
Yes, we should.

>>149211679
>mounted swordie
>get raped by other lancer
"no"

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>Joked about IMC adding over the top R8 classes to swordsman to balance them being shitty until them.
>They actually did it.

>>149211857
Koenig level up that fluffy dopple!

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Well well, look at what we have here.

Murmillo's helmet buff boosts the damage of Shield-type classes? Who would have thought? Oh, I wonder which class will benefit the most from this?

Oh I know! Rodelero

Currentmeta -fags will be the ones rerolling. Have fun.

>>149212135
See you in 2017.2

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Post yfw Inquisiters will be shown to be much better at burning people alive than Plague Doctors could ever hope to be, and the meme finally dies.

So wizards are no longer a meme seeing how shit their r8 is, swordie might be new meme.

>That Lancer knocking back world tree
>The AoEs moves with it
Holy shit. They fixed the totem AoEs staying in the same spot after the totem gets knocked around.
>>149211749
That would be the point of them merging the code base for iToS and kToS.

>>149212135
>rodelero shield bash works with memenobi
>murmillo boosts shield type attacks
hmmm I wonder :^)

I really hope your rodelero is a memenobi because if not you're rerolling with the rest of us

Can one of you edit the Murmillo swinging the shield at flying pumpkin things and replace them with Kim's head

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>>149210220
I knew all the suffering we've went through as tauntbots for 280 levels would be rewarded someday.

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>You can't get cataphract/lancer and murmillo.

Let's hope they make Cata+Murmillo viable, full armor+sickass closed helm would be my dream come true.

>>149212231
I have hopes of Inquisitor having recycled RO skill like Lex or Oratio

>>149212248
>sage
>double frost cloud
>increase frost cloud aoe range
pfff, triffling swordie can't do jack shit against wizards

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hey famdragons help me out with this sick r8 build

swordsman 1
peltasta 1
hoplite 3
doppel 1
and here's where i'm having trouble

should i go dragoon 2, doppel 3 or some other variation with lancer? don't you need cataphract for lancer since its a mounted class?

what should my stats look like?

pic related it's me

>>149212135
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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>tfw S1>P1>Hop2>Cor2>Shinobi

I'm so sad right now. I can't fit in to any of the new classes. Lancer and Murmillo are pvp-focused. Come to think of it, any build that involves Shinobi is a dead end, except for Rodellero>Shinobi>Murmillo assuming the leak where Shinobi can copy Pelt and Rod skills is true. The only thing that can probably save my build is by going Dragoon1 on rank8, then Dragoon2 on rank9 assuming the game is not dead by then. But then, I could just party with another Dragoon2 and share that buff.

It hurts so bad.

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>>149212248
So instead of running into you with regular dark thurge or throwing it I can now get triple the amount of dt spirits, they're randomly buffed to be super spirits, I can tail them so I can't be chased, and I can throw them when I want.

>>149209652
if they want to stick to PvP, they can go lancer, its totally a pvp class, but if they want to PvE, they'll have to go cata>dragoon2 imo

>>149212425

You can't double magic circles m8 only objects kek

>>149210220
Will this be the return of pvp swordies who can literally just hold c to win since no-one can get through their block?

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>new skills "buff share" They can share unlimited buff of my guild members range. However, templars are the center can not move while using this skill.

Let me guess, this so called buff share only work on Guild Orders or some shittass buff.

>>149212135
Your build is still shit.

>>149212357
thats sound stupid for an inquisitor.

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>>149212536
shinobi was a dead end in itself
r i p

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>>149212539
Cats you need to get to r8 first ffs

>>149212634
Silencing enemies and sentencing them to receive double damage looks legit, these aren't your neckbeard space marines

>>149212483
pls respond

>>149212536
tfw in same situation but I don't have hoplite 2 to make lancer useful ;_;

At least you have hoplite 2 and hook from corsair to be godly in pvp, my memenobi has nothing ;___;

How does the scavenger hunt work? I just walk over the hidden circle? No interaction needed?

>>149212761
Pretty much.

>>149212707
sounds stupid kys ro faggot

>>149212483
You'll want doppel 2 so you can easily transition into lancer or doppel 3.
Dragoon seems to be the cuck role that now exists to give your parties other swordie +100% attack.

>>149212231
I had in mind Inquisitor being literally Lancer regarding magic and whatnot.

I won't lie, if this game had fucking WoE, I'd be so fucking pumped for Lancer. Think about it, a fucking war with FC/Ice Wall/Etc blocking path, then suddenly the vanguard charges and break through while you follow back on the small opening they made.

>months of unpunished cheating that will never get resolved
>people still play
Does tos have the most cuck playerbase?

>friends are all quitting
>ktos buffing shit I hate
>got really rich due to early efforts but none of it matters now because of the exploiters
>r8 is looking worse and worse
i dont know man, i just dont know

this might be it for me. i like this game a lot but i can only stand back up so many times.

>>149212932

t. elememe

>>149212910
shush doomposter-chan, come back later when people aren't fapping about r8 swordsman

>>149212910
>implying the playerbase isn't a bunch of bots a cheaters
muh hardworking players

>>149212714
>>149212483
Can't go Doppel 3 with Hop 3 because it's a waste, go Highlander or Barbarian.

>>149213001
im not an elememe, im not a wizard at all

>cheuken, redel will be added to the property damage and to increase the number of battered wreak crushing force close to the blender
Does that mean Zucken and Redel were reworked to be
http://s.nx.com/s2/game/tos/obt/gwms/160722_0629/dw_8rs_doppel1.gif
which means they increased number of hits and hitting speed?

>Because it gives a new skill of "Burke's Howe" is a temporary bonus to attack power of slashing properties, it can be a powerful grinding hunting, if properly linked.

Wait. Does doppel also got buff to slash type attacks? No need to reroll highlanders unless it stcks with cleave bonus.
>50% from cleave
>50% from new skill
>100-150% from deeds
lmao
Also does this Dragoon boost work for caster as well, or only allied swordies?

>>149212910
>>149212932
>its the exploiters meme again
sigh, keep witch hunting without any proof, what next? blame the aliens for why IMC is so IMCompetent?
>>149213058
Depends on if c3 skills are like c2 skills in that only 2handed swords can be used

>>149212483
You should not roll into a Doppel if you're planning to use spears. Doppel2 and 3 is slash-focused.

>>149213245
deeds, pay and whirlwind is good no matter what though

tfw dragoon's shit until r9 then we get dragon mounts and a sick helmet and fire breath and less than 2000 active players across all servers

Up to what level would a Five Hammer last me on Cleric with Arde Dagger? Or is it not worth 100k+?

FUCKING KIM HAKKYU I THOUGHT ELEMEME WAS THE PET CLASS

>>149210765
Translated Murmillo is Ripened Wheat

The strongest build in the game.
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#122244ff.11213f4151657a8a91.1a283a5171.1a2a3144

>>149212835
Fuck off, heretic.

>>149213176
>>149213019
>>149213007
Typical toscucks.

So I'm assuming that all of murmillo's skills require shield. Including the strike debuff.

So alright. I currently have a Barb3>Doppel>Shinobi . I don't mind making a new character but with the news of these r8s, I don't see how this is going to work out too well since I won't have access to doppel3.

>>149213169
I assume it's a C3 attribute. He uses Redel twice, and the second time the sword is flaming.

>>149213245
Cyclone and Deeds are enough for C1/C2, and if the stomp of C3 is all weapons, you can have DPE 10 and it 5.

>all shitnobis are now worthless unless they went rodelero 3
ahahahahahahah, this is what you get for falling for the "hidden class" meme

>>149213376
hehehehehe

>>149213484
Isn't it Zucken + Redel combo?

>>149213507
They'll probably get the Cataphract treatment.

>>149213474
Look anon, memenobi have a very very simple process to determine their usefulness

Did you go rodelero 3 as shitnobi?
If yes than congratz you're still useful and may or may not have insane damage, ESPECIALLY with the fact that with magic blockable, shinobis have no real weakness. That and shield bash being useable with bushins + all the strike debuffs and buffs, you'll be doing shittons of damage.

Did you shit nobi have hop2?
Congratz you wasted rank 7 but you can transition safely into lancer

Did you go some other kind of shitty meme build?
Congratz you're completely worthless and your character now only exists for team levels

>>149213641
wats that?

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GOD DAMN IT

>>149213612
Yes it is, I didn't see it didn't have the yellow afterimage of Redel the first time.

>>149213768
>Congratz you wasted rank 7 but you can transition safely into lancer
>lancer without trot
(You)

>>149213797
Cata was the black sheep of Swordsman tree because barely anything was usable, they buffed for a shitload stuff work (including Dragoon spell) to make it viable.

>>149213768
I'm a little sad. I was quite attached to my shitty meme. So how does Sword>Pel>Barb>Rod3>Shin>Murmillo sound?

>>149213854
>needing trot to pve
>needing trot when you have shinobi stealth
you're probably right, rip shinobis who didn't go rod3, they're all garbage

What's so bad about Gae Bulg? It seems like the number one skill for goons to max, but nobody does it.

>>149213797
Cataphract used to be shit during beta, they were buffed every patch over months with more damage or lower cooldowns and even the ability to channel skills while moving.

Cataphract and Dragoon were like the sword pet classes during kTOS' early days.

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>>149213947
>>149214009
Thanks senpai. I'll hope for the best. You guys brought a smile to a crying man.

>>149213971
Go sword 2 or 3 imo because concentrate ktos buff gave it str scaling which you will be maxing or near maxing as a rodshinmurmillo.

How does it feel needing to wait for meme yellow flower again though? It took me 10+ the first time so I don't think I have the energy to make another shinobi

>>149213992
>lancer
>pve
.

What's the most active dungeon? I want to plant my pardoner there at break even prices (400, 700, 1000) because I accidentally bought 10,000 of each material instead of 1,000 and now I'm poor as fuck.

>>149214265
90, 130 and 200

>>149214004
one hit and disappointing attribute
can possibly cause a DPS loss even

>>149214265
>break even prices
>poor as fuck
uhhhhhh

>>149214161
It took me around 3-4 hours of waiting both times I did the shinobi quest.
Both times I just hanged around until someone announced they found the flower, then I set an alarm 4 hours from then and went to sleep/jerk off/whatever. When I got back 4 hours later I just had to hop channels and it would be in one of them.

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>>149212698
I don't have an angry cats pic or I'd send it.

You cut me man. You cut me.

So let me get this stirahgt
Elememe won't be wanted anymore cuz it aint top dps and it can get counteredn shieet?

>>149214161
Alright. How does Sword1>Pel>sword2>rod3>Shin>Murmillo sound? I guess i'll be using a shield for a majority of this. Man my fucking legion of Arde daggers and Karache will go forever unused.

Uh. It's not so bad. I don't really mind the wait. I'm almost always doing something else on the side while waiting like watching anime or streams.

Anyways, TOSG, I'm gonna put up 3 arde daggers and a karacha dagger on the market for 500k each in about an hour so 3hours from now. hope you guys can snipe em.

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Holy fucking shit the amount of PvP only thing in this R8 makes me wonder if they saw the TOP 50 arena rank to decide what spells to give each branch. We've got disarms, we've got tile breaking, we got structure pushing, we got structures specific for PvP, we got dismounting when mounts are pretty strong in PvP, even Murmillo has things that seem to make him aimed at PvP with the helmet.

I mean, Necro got Divest Equipment and Featherfoot got levitation to avoid shit, but swordsman is in a whole new level.

>>149214427
Elememe ends at 6, Warmeme starts at 7. Dark Theurge.

>>149214427
>cuz

>[Moving Validation Error] Too fast.
Uh, what?

>>149214526
WUZ

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Are you guys ignoring 17k frost clouds with the card system on purpose?

>>149214352
>bought reagents with money
>sell buffs for no profit
>get money back

>>149214430
But won't you need arde whilst leveling anon?
Make sure to keep at least one spare since you'll be using arde for ages in the early levels.

Good luck with your shinobi anon, I'm going to reroll mine too after seeing the determination of my fellow shinobis.

>>149214508
>arena
what arena, mate?

>>149214587
ELEMEME DIED
HAKKYU KILLED IT

THE WIZ3 ELE 3 WARLOCK ERA IS OVER HOW DARE HIM
>>149214508

>>149214587
>be ele
>get reversid
>get jousted (and shocked)
>get detonated
>get cannoned
suicide_watch.html

Well, that's it for me folks. Yeah, I get it, it's cute to hate the people who played the current meta now. But this isn't how you run a healthy game.

Yes I play elememe, but I also play a chrono. I don't care what you think about meme classes or current meta. You can't change things this drastically in a game like this. There are going to be many people quitting over this. And sure, some of you chucklefuck contrarians are celebrating now, but you realize this will just repeat itself again once r9 comes around, right? IMC has demonstrated they have no idea what they're doing, and not just with r8, but with things they do in general.

How is completely destroying a once-viable class balance? Basically, for a year we have half the pop eating shit, and then the next year we have the other half eating shit instead? Are you fucking kidding? This is your game?

So yeah, fuck this. I'm going to be quitting. Point and laugh now, be a contrarian dick all you want, get your chuckles. But realize that people like me are the canary in the coal mine. Enjoy your dead game once more and more people like me leave. But hey, at least you sure "showed us", you really stuck it to us "current meta fags".

>>149214508
disarm is literally not a threat at all since fencers only have one gapcloser and thats not much distance judging from the gif

By the time a fencer even gets near any mage or archer, he'd already been made a pincushion or frozen/burnt/crushed to death.

Theres a reason the only pvp swordie is catagoons with their trot you know.

>>149214620
You hit c4 at around level 80 so not really i guess.

>>149214782
>caring about pvp

>>149214587
Don't forget you would need pay all those exploited money for new skills attributes for them to be at least remotely decent and qc+fc will still be outdamaging anything.

>>149214845
?
Swordy being good doesn't make previous classes bad though. Also the 20k single hit from lancer is only 3x damage on mounted folks.

>>149214845

LOL ELEMEME ON SUICIDE WATCH

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>>149214845
Anon are you really quitting just because things are a little tiny bit difficult for you?
Seriously? When 280 no pelt swordies exist?
You even said yourself r9 could change everything, you also forget that warlock 2 got some sweet stuff as well as the fact sages may be able to copy frost meme.

But you know the worst part? This is all theorycraft right now, maybe the swordie shit has high cd or is hard to use or etc, you should probably wait for actual r8 to be released before quitting.
Quitting over a possibility which isn't even confirmed proves that you always wanted to quit and this is nothing but an excuse.

>>149214981
This is the behavior that is going to kill this game.

>hurr hurr pvp
are these retards play another game or something?

>>149214845
HOW FUCKIng dARE they KILL ELEMEME IHAVENT EVEN GOTTEN TO R6 YET WTF

>>149214508
>Necro got Divest Equipment
This was a mistranslation. It's just a stronger version of Decay that deals some durability damage, which means that unless the necro survives to cast it a few times, it's useless.

>>149215078
>You even said yourself r9 could change everything,

You want me to suffer through another 1-2 years for the pendulum to maybe swing back in the other direction for r9? That's the fucking problem anon. This is not how you run a fucking game.

>Just wait another couple of years until they nerf Swordie into the ground again

Yeah man, great fucking game. Sure am glad I'm wasting time playing this shit.

>>149214845
Yeah, me too. I made an elememe and a shitnobi, both rank8's are shit. I'll give them a chance though. I'll reroll into a fletcher3. If this shit's also a dead end, I'll quit.

>>149215098
:^)

>elememes on literal suicide watch because their meme build is not top meme anymore
same thing happened with skyliner
you can't make this shit up

>>149215098
Yeah I wasn't sure if I was in /tosg/ anymore, had to double check.

With all KTOS balancing and changes what is the new meta Doppel build?

Sword1>Highlander1>Barb3>Doppel3?

Frost cloud still looks stronger than anything they showed off for swordies.

>>149215098
>i-i-its pvp only guys
Just like Reversi, eh? Fucking hilarious.

>>149215156
>necro needs to stick around and wait out the duration of equipment decay a few times in a row
>rance's con "pvp necro" meme was actually the right choice all along

>>149214845
>quitting over something that hasn't been released yet
top laughs, also how does swordies being good somehow make elememes bad?

You should also take note that outside doppel3 elememes are still the king of aoe dps unless fencers get some massive range increase to sept etoiles.

>>149214845

My dick is so rock hard right now, THIS is what I've been waiting for. Welcome to MMOs motherfucker!

>>149215373
Yeah I sure see it winning matches in the arena.

>>149215432
Enjoy your dead game.

But hey, at least you'll have a rock hard dick that you can use to go fuck yourself.

>>149215324
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#11112699.11233c4f536a81.11253544.95b5.1a21365a617181

Full str ofc, who needs con or dex

Sword 3 for max restrain and concentrate once the str scaling buff comes around.

Highlander for crown, cross guard and most importantly the 50% crit attack buff

Barb for the free 50% slash buff

Doppel for deeds, cyclone and double pay.

Try and make a more futureproof build for doppel 3, hint: you can't.
from >>149184076 seems to be the right idea

>>149215462
>arena

>>149215462
It already doesn't, pvp cleric is the only way to go in arenas.

>>149215529

This must be your very first MMO, how cute. Meta always changes bruda and yes, this is very normal for MMOs.

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>>149214845

>>149215045
>DrunkTiki.com

nice meme image, reddit bro :^)

>>149214845
Anon really do you actually PvP or plan on PvPing? Doppl and Dragoon aside they're only really strong in PvP. When it comes to melting mobs and bosses Elememes and Fletchers are still going to be king.

Is the Centaur boss in the game?

>elememes fussing out about swordies who got some new pvp toys
literally why? I thought elememes were chosen because they were good at aoe dps. who the fuck pvps with elememe?

>>149215707
>>149214845
stop samefagging

>>149215707

Swordies specialize on aoes by default

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>>149215859
wut?

>>149215707
It's because of the doppel + dragoon meme

>>149215930
who are you trying to fool with edits?
go back to forum

>>149216127
kek you're pretty delusional anon

>>149216127
Ele are not for pvp you retard. Play the game.

>>149214845
This is how to run a healthy game for a change. You're a crybaby who wants to be overpowered forever and you're throwing a fit because things will be more balanced now.

Everyone's model for success in the MMO industry, Blizzard, did drastic changes and complete class redesigns every expansion as well as in a number of mid-expansion patches. If you refuse to play unless a game is always completely broken in your favor, you have no place in an MMO and the game will be better of without you.

Swordman players are the worst mouthbreathing inbred fucks I've seen in a MMO.

>>149216171
fucking summerfaggot

>>149216438
t. mad elememe

>>149216380
They're the new generation of mmo players. Just like Lolipan and dvine, they're filled with an immature sense of entitlement, they think that the game should prioritize and cater for their needs.

>>149216380
>nerf things into oblivion
>buff other things into being overpowered
>This is how to run a healthy game for a change

(You)'ve earned this reply.

>post yfw elememes still have a place in tiptop parties due to lethargy

>>149214845
Here's another (You).
>buffing lacklustre classes so they are now viable isn't healthy
>details aren't even finalized, nothing is being nerfed yet and crying already
>expecting a r6 skill to be the end-of-all skills for the rest of the game
???

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>>149216579
Instead, here's mfw doppels think doing more damage than frost cloud (just frost cloud, warlock kit completely aside) once per 2+ minutes is going to change anything about PVE DPS meta.

>>149215546
>War Cry
◦Cooldown decreased to 50 seconds (down from 82 seconds).

>Frenzy
◦Cooldown decreased to 70 seconds (down from 90 seconds).

>Cleave
◦Cooldown decreased to 16 seconds (down from 21 seconds).
◦Overheat increase to 3 (up from 2)

>Helm Chopper
◦Cooldown decreased to 20 seconds (down from 24 seconds).
◦Stun chance increased (unsure amount).

>Seism
◦Cooldown decreased to 18 seconds (down from 22 seconds).
◦Stun chance increased (unsure amount).

>Pouncing
Stunned targets will receive 200% additional damage when hit with Pouncing at a 2% chance per skill level.

I'm not sure but I think Barb3 is looking a lot more attractive than Sword3.

>>149214845
get f u c k e d fucking shit ass mage fucking asshole

>>149216567
But elememe have had literally NO nerfs and they're not getting nerfed in the future either.
Swordie being better doesn't make elememe worse anon.
The world isn't a ladder where you need to be above or below people for your petty sense of fulfillment.
Swordies got buffed, mages are relatively the same.

https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/alchemist-union/314084

>the edited OP after the thread was flagged by alchejews
>my sides

This guy deserves a medal

Why are elememes crying? Wouldn't everyone run to Warlock2 anyway?

>>149216661
which also benefit from lethargy :3

>>149216721
No longer being leaps and bounds better than every other class is a nerf, you have to understand how this affects my fragile ego

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>>149214845
Uhmm... bye, I guess?

>tfw reddit took your meme translation that was based from google translate which may be completely wrong and posted it
should I be proud or saddened that I just misinformed nearly all of reddit?

>>149216721
>what is relative viability/power

anon, lets propose an extreme hypothetical to get you to understand this:

if they buffed every other class 15x over, but elememe remained exactly the same, then elememes' RELATIVE POWER has been nerfed and they are now useless. they don't even have to necessarily touch the class or make any changes to the class itself. it's a nerf by proxy.

>>149216903
back2reddit

>>149216945
waaah waaah elememe isn't the best class anymore and is now a balanced class compared to every other class
oh boo hoo you poor baby, do you want a pat on your back for your small wittle ego?

>>149215407
huh what's the full build for that?

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>>149216903
a job well done

Grynas ch1 Klai.

>>149216945
So what you're saying is you can't stand for the fact elememe isn't the very top of the totem and is equal to every other class.
No no, elememe must be the best class or its unplayable right?
Fucking kys

>>149216945
Let's see a detailed argument that proves elementalists are nerfed because of the small amount of r8 info we got. Don't forget elementalist Frost Cloud is a rank6 skill, not a rank8 skill.

Obviously you're unable to show me anything because you're just a theory crafter shit posting.

>>149216945
>if
>pulling numbers out of ass

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>>149211156
>AI
>zombie bokor

>>149217343
zombie bokor c3 here

don't fall for the meme zombie seriously never fall for that

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Is it time for zombie posting?

>>149217410
Zombie explosions are fun when we get the no knockback attribute from kToS.

>>149217410
Dont worry, i aint touching zombies with a 10 foot rod. Hexing and effigy are just so strong, you dont even need those little shits waddling around

>>149216945
You're so far in denial you're trying to change the definition of nerf. No, faggot, if you can't even use common terms properly when you're crying, fuck off.

You can't use capital letters properly, either. Are you the same faggot who linked "playing to win" earlier while contradicting himself? You use the same writing style and you also try to sound like a hardcore edgelord while simultaneously crying about how "unfair" it is when others don't pamper you with special advantages.

Doppelsoeldner (Circle 3)

The strongest grinder become even more powerful in Circle 3. New attributes increasing the attack strength and number of continuous hits may be added to Zucken and Redel, showing off their new blender-like (lit.) power.

A new skill "Jeubeokeuhau" (?) temporarily gives a bonus to slash property attacks. When suitably chained, it can make for powerful grinding (lit.).

Additional attributes that will upgrade certain subskills, such as an attribute for Punish that will increase its area of effect against knocked down enemies. Fencer (Circle 3)

Fencer, who wields a fast-hitting weapon, will become even stronger with Circle 3.

A C3 Fencer may use "Epee Stance". While in this stance, a penalty will be applied that prevents the equipped shield from having any effect. However, when pierce attacks generate a critical hit, extreme critical damage will be added according to the level of "Epee Stance".

If Doppelsoeldner aims to be a blender (lit.), then Fencer aims to be the most powerful machine.

For Fencers who have invested in stats other than DEX, the skill "Estora Villlepante Ballet" (?) which temporarily lowers targets' critical resistance may come in handy.

A new skill "Attack of Peleu" (?) will, in PvP, cause enemies' weapons to fall to the ground. In this case, the target will lose all effects conferred by the weapon. Dragoon (Circle 2)

1/2

>>149217343
>Using class for literally two skills, one of which has a wonky hitbox.

>>149217180
>equal to every other class

they are going to be far weaker than other classes.

>>149217260
i'll quote myself again:

>>149216945
>lets propose an extreme hypothetical to get you to understand this

the point was to explain a possible situation where a class could be nerfed without actually being touched directly. because the person I was talking to didn't understand that a class could be nerfed without a single thing being touched on that class. and it's very easy to demonstrate how a nerf can be indirect. for example, I'll make it even clearer..

here is an imaginary example in an imaginary game, where class A gets nerfed without even being touched:

>patch 2.3
>Class A does 100dps
>Class B does 20 dps

then,

>patch 2.4
>Class A does 100 dps
>Class B does 7,400dps

in this example, class A has not been touched at all. so idiots will say, "hey, there weren't any nerfs... so they didn't get nerfed!". that's a disingenuous argument and the person making it is aware of how dishonest they are being.

because even a moron can tell that class A in patch 2.4 has been completely DWARFED by buffs to other classes. it was NERFED INDIRECTLY. this is the concept I was trying to demonstrate to people who seem to be new to video games and should go back to playing pokemon Go.

>>149216903
What kind of fucking name is FAYANOR

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>ELEMEME IS DEAD, THEY KILLED IT
>Elec3 is a PvE hero
>R8 Swordsman classes are all PvP
>card system means that EleC3 gets 400% more damage
I don't get it

>>149217840
That doomposter thing.

>>149217701
tl dr is?

If you're really whining about not being top dog anymore and being balanced with other classes than you should go see psychiatrist since you have serious issues with your ego.

>>149217840
So sage or warlock 2 for r8?

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It's an episode

An episode where everything is balanced for PVP

where no one gives a fuck about PVE and they just slap another 20 levels of ET in your face and call it a day

>>149217701
tfw post randomly deleted
>>149217701
tl dr is?

If you're really whining about not being top dog anymore and being balanced with other classes than you should go see psychiatrist since you have serious issues with your ego.

>>149218069
Speaking of Sage, I wonder if they can duplicate runes?

>>149217729
:^)

>>149217639
>two skills

>effigy
>hexing
>mackangdal
>samedieve

Thats 4. Also, elementalists are used for 1. So your point is moot as it is.

Also, hexing's hit box isnt wonkey. Its small. It goes from the center of the targeted monster and hits (skill level +2) monsters in said small area. Ive smacked up to 8 or 9 at a time with it in the 115 dungeon. It just takes some practice to aim it right and time it right.

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thank jesus

i'm fine with elememe being the god of constant aoe damage if other classes can have their own 'god of <x>' thing.

really wanted cleric r8 but considering how neat the whole r8 of swordie is i'm alright with it.

>>149218034
huge back and forth swings in relative power in a game where you can't simply re-spec, or reroll very easily is a bad system.

in every other MMO I've played, I could re-spec quite fucking easily. this game, on the other hand, will have 10 ranks. this will only keep on getting worse and worse. how many people are going to want to reroll at r9? I'm not talking about you no-life neets, I'm talking about the majority of the game population. who the fuck is going to keep devoting this much time to the game when there's violent swings back and forth that invalidate dozens of hours of gameplay?

>kirito bought from my spell shop
>realize i haven't seen him shitpost in shout in over a month
>he was on my block list
This dumb nigga keeps getting himself blocked by Lkchat. He must be blocked by at least half of the server.

>>149216887
>Choose the instrument of your demise
There fixed your pic name Korasai.

That or
>Choose the tool of your death

The question is, will fencer be a top single target dps?

>>149218254
Basically you're whining that you want elememe to always be the most OP class with no competitors and it to be vastly unbalanced.
No anon, right now, what you're seeing is balance.

If you don't like balance than go find a p2w game to fap to where you can pay for your ego size.

>>149218469
Thats not how you spell doppel.

>>149218425
>namedropping

No bullying!

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inb4 all of the Swordsman stuff is still badly scaled and weak as shit and still all worse than 0cd Skyliner

>>149218197
>Gimmicky skill
>Going far into a tree to give yourself a small hp and speed buff
And ele has other usable skills, cloud is just the big one. They also didn't go three into a circle to ignore the main point of it.

>>149218214
What are rogues god of?
Their backstab hits like a wet noodle now compared to other classes. Have a small hit box that usually only hits 1 thing.
And has a Positional requirement.

>>149218214
They are probably saving the best for last so archers will be next week and clerics the week after that. Im just glad they are getting the shitty classes over and done with.

Is it still safe to roll a fletcher3? And scout is good as a one-rank wonder right? Does lvl.5 stealth has a downtime?

>>149218643
>Their backstab hits like a wet noodle now compared to other classes.
t. misinfo agent who doesnt have a karacha set on their auto-swaps

>>149218254
Nobody, but let's be completely honest, IMC has never done a smart decision.

Going around other MMORPGs, customization exists to make dynamic gameplay now, not to force playing. Playing other MMORPGs there is always a reset system for everything, which is a shame for "hard early, but strong late" builds, but this doesn't even apply to any game anymore anyways, because people whine about balance and it turns "hard early, mediocre late" instead. MMORPGs always offer resets when there is a big change to class, but IMC probably won't.

It's funny coming back to older mmorpgs and seeing things like reset skill, reclass, restat, hell, even don't even have that, you can fluidly change things on the fly.

>>149218678
its got a 95% uptime because of how buffs and CD tick down differently for some stupid reason

>>149217536
but don't you lose all your fucking zombies from that? when zombify is on a god damn 50+ secoond cooldown?

sure the attribute is 10% chance to get a zombie out of that, but that's what 1 or 2 zombies at most.

is there some secret to zombie explosion chaining I'm missing?

>>149218630
>mobile imunity
>gimmicky skill

Hahahaha

>small hp buff and speed buff

Oh, so you dont play this game, do you.

>>149218703
With a karacha backstab is basically a 600% damage multiplier.
T-that's not much... Specially since it has a positional requirement in melee range.

>>149218587
No anon, I don't think anyones going to get close to fencer since depending on how much their minus crit resistance is and how much bonus crit damage their new buff gives them (since went from 1k normal damage to 7k crit consistently), they could easily be hitting 200-300k with a sept etoiles.

>>149218526
>Basically you're whining that you want elememe to always be the most OP class with no competitors and it to be vastly unbalanced.

no, I'm saying elememe as it is right now is fine. it doesn't need buffs. I don't want it to be buffed. it's fine as it is, and not OP given the context of what it brings and its purpose for existing (aoe dmg). by the same token, swordie is already in a good place right now and fulfills its niche. these buffs are seemingly an attempt to invalidate elememes and replace them with doppels, which is retarded.


unlike you and people like you I'm not begging for buffs to pet classes that I like. I prefer balance.

>>149217840
what card system?

>>149218747
I just figured that Sakmoli gem is Cloaking +1. So if I get that, I'll have 100% uptime?

>>149218526
I'm an elememe player and I don't see how all this will affect me in the slightest.

Who the fuck use magic circle in pvp unless the enemy is cc'ed anyway.

Every elememe that's whining now should git gud, though I wonder if they do actually play elememe.

>>149218069
Sage

>>149218932
yes mam

>no archer r8 news
>next week will probably be clerics
>gonna have to wait 2 weeks for archer r8
>it's bound to be disappointing

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>check kTOS thread on forums for translations
>the game runs on the same engine as granado
the fuck
seriously?

>>149218761
>mobile imunity
That will kill the target if they don't receive enough heals in time

>Oh, so you dont play this game, do you.
Apparently more than you do if you think sinking so many point into a class for like 500 HP and 6 movement speed for only yourself somehow makes up for the class literally only being Hexing/Effigy due to ignoring 2/3rds of the class.

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>>149218868
you can now equip boss cards that each have a special effect. One of those cards gives you magic damage whenever you drink a pot, and if you have 7 of them at level 10...

>>149219004
Reported to STAFF_MAX, enjoy your ban.
>also doing all that shit to prove to IMC you can actually reduce client lag
>implying IMC will actually do anything
Wonder what that guy really thinks will happen, he just wasted all his time for nothing.

>>149219004
>game checks for c:\r1_kor\
I'm not even surprised anymore.

>>149218835
>swordie is already in a good place right now
okay so you don't play the game

No anon, you're literally filled with shitty hypocrisy and irony, you say you want balance yet when IMC introduces balance you whine about it. You don't want balance, you want your favourite class to stay in its current position of unchallenged aoe damage. Thats not balance, thats begging for your pet class to remain its title as best.

You never gave a shit about balance, you're nothing more than a filthy ego centric asshat that doesn't like other classes doing similar damage to elememe.

This is your last (you), I have yet to see such a horrible player as you in tos but you take the cake. If you were just whiny and egocentric thats one thing but you're also a hypocrite and blind to the very thing you supposedly argue for.

Absolutely disgusting, I don't even want to reply to your garbage anymore.

>>149219020
>receive enough heals in time

Play the game

>>149218835
>these buffs are seemingly an attempt to invalidate elememes and replace them with doppels, which is retarded.

So they WONT replace the elememes?

hey famdragons, how's this?

swordsman 1 > pelt 1 > barbarian 3 > doppel 3

>>149219273
It's good. About as good as doppel gets.

>>149219178
>okay so you don't play the game
>149219178
>You don't want balance, you want your favourite class to stay in its current position of unchallenged aoe damage

yeah, I don't play the game, but I also want the class I play to be "overpowered"

these two statements are mutually exclusive. either I don't play the game and have no horse in this fight, or I play the game and have a horse in this fight.

>This is your last (you)

fuck off then, your responses have been absolutely asinine from the beginning.

>>149219273
>no highlander
>still being a pelt cuck for your non-existent elememe
the pelt cuck role is over anon, its finally the time for wizards to play the cuck role

>>149219273
>>149219317
>no highlander c1
delete it

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>>149218983
Thanks

>>149219149
oh wow
and that's for all classes right? not just elementalist

>>149219193
>Any damage taken during the invulnerability is inflicted after the effect wears off
Maybe shit like safety zone works, but only if the target can actually get to it.

>>149218835
>swordie is already in a good place right now and fulfills its niche
Yeah, being a tauntbot is a great niche, isn't it?

So are we going to see a drastic decrease in mages and an increase in swordies?

>>149219370
>Pelts are over
>In a patch that implements Murmillo

Rodelposting is no longer a fantasy.

>>149218754
Bokor: 1 point of Mackangdal allows two rounds of Damballa (without the +10% attr). Placing Damballa with Zombify on a huge mob nets you a pretty good chain too.
Priest: Revive will keep them from dying if you go Priest2.
Kabba: x7 (provided you find a way to protect yourself from the reflect).
I know that's a lot to setup, but I find it pretty fun personally.

Boss fights will be bad no matter what, you only get to use it on your initial batch of zombies. Zombie capsules help but effigy spam outdamages exploding one zombie and hoping for rng to get a good chain.

>Semi-AFK in bees
>Work is busy but I'm checking pretty often
>Died at some point, gear is broken so that must be why
>Come back
>There's a wartag here
>Can hardly move, think a combination of 1fps and 2 second delay because I'm remote
>Skeletons and shoggoth chase him around for a minute and finally kill him without my help.
O-oh.

>>149218814
>what are attributes
You should see Rance's backstab. He has like 90% on it or something, there's fucking explosions. I remember him oneshotting people 40 levels above him with it.

>>149219349
>getting this butt devastated that people call you out on your bullshit
top kek
>lets not argue the point of the post but argue semantics since can't beat the other anon in arguments
even more kek

pls fight more you two autists, you're keeping this thread stuck on page 1 with your autism

also how does it feel that you'll soon be a cuck for the doppel 3?

>>149219459
there's broken as shit cards for every class actually, its just the elememe one is pretty silly. Swordsman should be pretty strong once they get their +100 AOE attack ratio cards

>>149219628
What other cards are there?
Please be one that buffs companions.

fuck doppel
way too many buffs

>gung ho
>concentrate
>frenzy
>warcry
>deeds of valor
>all on a short cooldown
fuck that

>>149219660
http://pastebin.com/PrCkZ21n
I don't think there's a companion one

>>149219690
t. mad elememe
stay mad elememe your reign is over
gungho also didn't get any buffs

>>149218998
stop posting my thoughts.

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>>149219582
Uh... My backstab's not quite that high. Backstab does good damage with attributes but it's difficult to use like the other anon said. You're both right.

>>149219748
reread both post but i beg of you dont kill yourself after it

>>149219690
doppelmadara is just going to become stronger. Eternal Gungho Concentrate Frenzy Warcry Deeds of Valor Mangekyo Rinne Tensei

>>149219554
I see, and how did you distribute your stats?

my biggest problem is damballa being magic, while bwa kamiyan being STR

I'm guessing you just went INT

>>149219869
Why bother using gung ho?

>>149219478
>Yeah, being a tauntbot is a great niche, isn't it?

it is. no other class can mob as effectively. and swordies have other niches as well. the problem with swordies are not their capabilities, but the content that exists currently that doesn't take advantage of/leverage those capabilities. it would be fairly easy to design pve content to require swordies, and I would much prefer those changes rather than changes designed to try to have doppels replace elememes.

the solution to this game's balance issues is not a "revolving door" of elememe-like capabilities, where every class gets its turn to be an elememe. the solution to this game's balance issues is to serve the unique niches that other classes bring by balancing content around it.

but it's much easier to caricature my arguments and call me a butthurt elememe, so by all means, keep up your memeposting /tosg/.

>>149219589
>he's still responding to me after he told me it would be my last (You) from him
>he's going to pretend now that he's not the same person
>he's going to post an edited picture where you can use an eyedropper and bucket tool to fill in the white space the (You) used to be in with the background color of the post.

save yourself the effort. you're the same person and nothing you say/do will convince me otherwise. you should have kept your "last response out of me" promise, but then again, no one ever does.

>>149219176
>game checks for c:\r1_kor\
What does that mean?

>>149219962
Standard magic build, full int with enough con (70~80). Bwa was only good for grinding dp2, it falls off badly after that, but I still use it occasionally for the perma knockdown when party doesn't have enough cc.

>>149220061
so what you're saying is you want elememe to remain uncontested in aoe dps and stay that way for the rest of its life because thats BALANCE whilst every grind party revolves around the elememe (pelt to grab mobs for the elememe, chrono to haste and pass for the elememe, etc.) and this is what a balanced game is all about

your justifications for your actions and arguments are horrible you know

So would Sword/High/Barb3/Doppel3 be good now?

>>149219739
Bah. Some of those seem pretty meh, but some seem alright.

>>149220061
>it is. no other class can mob as effectively. and swordies have other niches as well.
No, it isn't and no, they don't.
No one wants a non-pelt sword unless they really need a slot filled for the bonus because they don't do anything special for a party that a chrono or ele or anything else would.\
And no, changing the content itself to REQUIRE a tank would be a terrible idea.
Clerics get plenty of options to be dps and aren't vitally required due to potions existing, so why should a tank be required to be a tank?
The only change that would make this work is if swash was made into a sword c1 skill.

Best party comp for grinding is Pelt, Chrono, EleLock, Fletcher, Thauma Warlock. You don't even need a Cleric, they just slow you down.

>>149220061
Do you really think doppels having a huge multi hit skill will make them able to hit 15 monsters at a time in a wide area? Do you really think the only use for swordies should be swashbuckling all the way until level 600? What's the use of adding new skills then.

>>149220061
>swordies HAVE to take pelt and HAVE to be a tank for the elememe and the world has to revolve around the elememe in almost all content
and you wonder why you're getting shit on

>>149219149

How long is the effect duration?

rip totalbiscuit
;_;

>>149220061
what a egocentric piece of shit, I sincerly hope it gets to the point its elememes that are now refused entry into parties for being useless

Why does the client keep hanging when switching channels?

>>149220492
Enough to melt your face off.

>>149220320
>The only change that would make this work is if swash was made into a sword c1 skill.
If Swash Buckling didn't break aggro limit and can only pull 5 monsters then sure having it for c1 is balanced. Just the same as clerics needing cleric2 so they can properly heal.

>>149220319
As an elememe myself, I don't get what is he complaining about.

We still have range aoe stackable spell, especially with pass, this is something doppel 3 can't compete with.

The update only makes swordsman finally viable as dps.

>>149220319
>every grind party revolves around pelt to grab mobs, chrono to haste and pass, elememe to aoe them down, clerics to heal and provide off-dps

uhh, yeah. that describes pretty decent balance. you know, where everyone in a party has their own niche to fill.

are you really saying this sounds horrible or unbalanced? seriously, who the fuck populates this thread? a bunch of kirito "I WANNA PLAY SOLO" retards?

>>149220492
4 seconds everytime you drink a mana potion, so you quick cast potion FC, popcorn

>Rank 8 speculations vs a Rank 6 class
I know tosg is full of cancer but damn this is next level. Honestly worse than reddit and the forums combined.

>>149220643
Man, what are the cheapest potions out there?

>>149220596
>>149219349
>yeah, I don't play the game
that should clear it up for you

>>149220727
You're absolutely right, but the sad part is that elementalist isn't going to be uprooted here. These changes don't change what was good about Frost Cloud before; it still has a massive AoE ratio and massive AoE, ticks relatively quickly and scales with Quick Cast.

>>149220640
>the world revolves around elememe is fair and balanced
so what you're saying is letting other classes have similar damage to elememe is unbalanced and unfair and elememe having uncontested damage throughout all the way to r10 levle 600 is what fairness is about.

You are one entitled prat.

>>149220640
>uhh, yeah. that describes pretty decent balance. you know, where everyone in a party has their own niche to fill.
>One class HAS to have one rank in this one specific class to be useful
>One class has two whole options for their build
>One class can do what the fuck ever it wants as long as it has two ranks in this circle

>>149220825
Not to mention the card system.

>>149220640
Yeah when elememe is the only class capable of solo grinding at high levels, swordies are somehow the kirito.

>>149220524
>I sincerly hope it gets to the point its elememes that are now refused entry into parties for being useless

behold, the real face of the "we want balance, lol promise" people in this thread.

>>149220420
it's not "for the elememe", it's for the party. they have a niche to fill, and if they are useful/needed in that niche (this part can and should be helped out, as I've mentioned), then they will always have a reason to be in a party.

Hope you guys did your event for today

>>149220779
NPC pots probably