/4xg/ - Stellaris, Civilization & 4X Strategy General

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First(?) for best man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvZ08Ub6XJ8

2nd for wide

Third for Kharak burning. Along with every other planet rebelling against my empire.

4th for 1.3 when?

5th for what is the best ethos now?

6th for fuck minmaxing, I'll be a militaristic fanatic xenophobe and lead the Imperium of Man to a golden age.

7th fuck my pops

8th for that goy trying to survive downloading from a Russian website with a shit anti-virus.

9th for genocide being fun and my cover ops being into bestiality.

10th for shilling a mod
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=719794488

11th for this general being dead.

>>147907116

12th for quantum torpedo. Does it or does it not hit a target that does or does not exist?

>try to play community balance patch
>roll aztec
>spawn with nine (9) lake tiles in my capital
>can't get my floating garden bonus on it because you need a river to build it
E P I C
P
I
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>>147907423
You never realized that "community balance patch" always favorite the mod's creator own playstyle?

>>147907538
it seems to be the mod that everyone recommends for as far as mods go, definitely the biggest mod and it still gets updated but this is just silly.

>>147907594
You do know that Adolf Hitler was elected, right?
Just people there's a lot of retards agreeing with
each others doesn't mean it's a good idea.

How does Distant Worlds work? I tried starting a new game, but all of a sudden, all my ships stopped moving and died.

>>147907685
Hitler didn't do anything wrong tho.
Other than attacking the russkies too early.

>>147907423
>you need a river to build it
But a lake was enough in base game, wtf?

>>147907594
>everyone recommends
Not really, I never used it. I always combine mods and change the things I don't like, works better imo

Just look through civfanatics and workshop lad

>>147907801
>Hitler didn't do anything wrong tho.
He ruined a moustache.

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>>147907685

>>147907754
fuel

>>147907908
>Less desirable than a man with the power to gas 6 trillion jews.
Okay.

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>>147907908
>Even Hitler had a girlfriend
>Odd Hitler didn't

>>147908057

If you put it that way... I concede and apologise. Deleting that image from my hdd now.

>>147907908
Ha ha, joke's on you, I had "girlfriends".
Two girls in college told me they liked me, one even asked me if I wanted to come to her house since her parents weren't here.
I told her my house was closer and that I failed to see why I should go to her house. She never spoke to me again after that and kept calling me an idiot.

>pick monty
>spawn in a heavily forest area
>near boudica
>open honour
>take the 2 free warrior policy + build my own + the initial one
>declare war on her
>5 jaguars surrounding her capital
>she can't improve anything
>can't leave her city without being attacked by 3 jaguars
>stolen like 5 of her settlers and workers

I've literally never seen this happen.

>>147908605
This is actually a commonly used tactic, though mostly against city states. Pretty much no one builds a worker but steals from city states anyway, so after stealing it you don't immediately peace out and continue stealing/upgrading your units against them. Usually works perfect. If used against other civs cripples them really hard

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Just what influence exactly do I have over their internal affairs? As far as I can tell you can't do anything.

>>147908736
I meant the making her completely irrelevant and not able to do anything part.

>>147909035
I don't think you have any.

>>147908047
Excuse me?

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>>147889373

Continuing

The Mex Fed has started to colonize seriously the 4th galactic arm now. We have explored much of the galaxy and encountered most civiliztions by now. The biggest ones right now are the Han People's Republic, the Heaven's mandate, the Yayoi Empire and us. We are also the third most numerous species, behind yayois and chinese.

Nigeria keeps insulting us and the visegradians and they have made a pact with the hindus so war seems inevitable now.

>>147909787

If you open ship design you must be able to see wich Gas your ships use as fuel.
It's either caslon, hidrogen or... the other one.
You need it in large quantities, make sure to build several more gas mining stations or secure trade agreements with someone who has it.

>>147910006
>grand nigeria
lel

>>147910106
Ha, okay. Can't private ships get it? Some of them are gas miners.

It's my only hope without restarting a new game because I'm 100% out of fuel here.

>>147910140

Private ships can get it but maybe you need more. The market can correct itself given enough time but you may want to push things a little. Manually search for more caslon or whatever and send your construction ships to build stations.

>>147910243
It's going to take a while, but hopefully I'll be able to correct the situation.

Thanks for the help.

>>147907390
Do tachyon beams deal damage before they're fired at you as well as after?

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>Nationalism in Civ VI grants military policies
Wew lads, it looks like nationalist playthrough will be militaristic

>>147910006

forgot the link to the mod in case someone is interested

https://mega.nz/#!BcERWBgJ!ljq8970l712ge_3N4POrW5j1exICbmbSyYLCSDILK6g

>>147907685
>Hitler was elected

Yeah, as chancellor. Then he used entirely non-democratic means to elect himself God-Emperor for life and throw the constitution out the window after Hindenburg died.

Plus he deliberately crippled the parliament's ability to act on the very issues he was using to rally support by causing constant elections via walk-out whilst using propaganda to spin it as the government being unwilling to solve said issues due to corruption, so that it would boost his vote % each time.

He perpetrated the very inefficient government he claimed to be against, just to seize personal power.

Hardly a beacon of democracy.

>>147910670
>repufag trying to defend the republic
It's shit. Deal with it.

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A gigantic mountain detected. Probably Mt. Everest

>>147910495

Why wouldn't it be militaristic?

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>home system
>fully surveyed
>not one resource
>not one other system even close to border range
t-thanks

In Stellaris, is there any reason to use cruisers mixed in with battleships late game instead of only battleships? Fleetpower-wise they are equivalent, but battleships die harder, regenerate more health (since regeneration in a percentage per month) and stack more armor. Any reason to mix in corvettes with destroyers in your fleet instead of using only destroyers for screening bigger ships? I'm thinking of using a fleet composition of 4 destroyers ber battleship, plus two battleships per aura type (offensive and defensive).

>>147911417
Colonize Homam (Is that really an unoccupied Sol system?)

>>147911417
Just build an outpost and quitchabitchin

>have +8 faith per turn
>10 turns overdue for a prophet
>lose the last religion
I sure love rng.

>>147911476
No there's zero point using cruisers or corvettes once you can comfortably mass produce battleships and destroyers.

Before the evasion nerf, yes, but not now.

>>147911539
Sol is a tomb world

>>147911652
RIP in pepperonis

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>>147911618
>religion
>rng

>>147911680
spawning a prophet is rng

>>147911417
You've got a seriously defensible home system there if you're playing hyperlanes only.

Three single-entrance systems full of defences will shred pretty much anything that comes at you.

Fortify that shit like it's Holy Terra.

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>>147911652
>>147911539
>>147911668

Yes indeed.

Man, Endless Legend is fun as fuck.

Why doesn't anyone here ever talk about it?

>>147911734
That's a nice touch.

>>147911713
Yeah gonna p[lay it out, just slow as fuck without decent resources

>>147911772

Best of all is that you can uplift them and get them in your empire.

>>147911734
[armenian genocide denial intensifies]

>>147911763
Because there are people with absolute shit taste who post the meme that it's shit.

>>147911734
That reminds me, is there a mod that lets you start out on a tomb world?

So how does trading work in civ6?
Do you build your trader and tell him I want to trade with X city and he goes back and forth a bit and then you get some shekels and a road or what?

>>147911763
Shit taste cretins memed about it being terrible at release out of brand loyalty.

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>>147911763

Artstyle and setting is god-tier, but the lack of units make me lose interest in it pretty quickly. Would be better if they changed appearance as they got new equipment, but they never bothred implementing that.

>>147912267
IIRC traders are also have limited uses now

>>147911763
It's a great game but it also lacks replay value.

You can get a fun 50-80 hours out of it, but it just doesn't stick for hundreds of hours like others do. People talked about it for a month or two and moved on.

>>147911763
Because the battle are tedious, and the new equipement doesn't reflect the tier.
I started many games with it, always got bored.
At least it was better than Endless Space.

>>147912325
Oh, Jeanne Calment.

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>>147912325
>advanced space faring society
>apparently can't keep people alive beyond their 70s with their awesome future medical technology

>>147912516
These are aliens. Maybe they're supposed to live 40 years only.

>>147912516
It's also utterly retarded how every species live as long as humans

>>147912582
That too, yeah. You have no idea how much I hate games and movies where aliens are just humans with a non-human face.

Are city states going to have unique bonuses too?

>Rough terrain (hills, forest, rivers) now require that units have enough movement points to enter. For example, if a Warrior unit has 1 movement point left, and a Hills tile has a movement cost of 2, the unit will not be able to enter the Hills tile that turn, but must instead wait until the next turn until it has its full 2 movement points.

>>147912516
>Age is a static number influenced only by a couple traits
>There is not a species stats screen where we assign points to various attributes including average lifespan.

DLC soon goy I'm sure of it.

>>147912817
We need an immortal race.
Just make them unable to have dictatorships.

>>147912847
Rather than pure immortal have a race or a trait set focused around reincarnation.

Effectively, leaders die but when they are reborn they retain all the levels and traits they had when they died.

>>147912936
No, that would be broken. They would become complete powerhouses in late game.

Or maybe, only make them able to reincarnate if they die from old age.

>>147912971
Well there's already a way to get level 5 hirable leaders without taking up more than 2 trait points. At least the reincarnator trait could be balanced to cost 4 or 5 points.

Remind me again why energy isnt the single most important thing in Stellaris
>Thrifty + Fanatic Individualist = GG

>>147911763
Combat is poor and the unit choice is worse

I dont like assimilating aesthetically contradictory races into my pure army, and its my biggest gripe with all their games.

>>147913305
Science is probably more important imo.
>Intelligent + Fanatic Materialist = GG

>>147913470
The ability to fuck other people is more important.
>fanatic militaristic+collectivism= GG NO RE

>>147913470
>research awesome new technology
>cant sustain large fleet with it because no power
Also
>fallen empires

At least we can both agree that Militaryfags are worthless >>147913498

>>147913532
Let's see you apoligizing when my fleets will be bombing your world.

>>147913532
Yeah, military is pretty much only useful for fun roleplay races, or multiplayer cheese builds. The others may be slightly weaker early game but ramp up fast.

In fact plutocratic oligarchy and megacorp may be stronger throughout the game than any military government. Between the energy boost, and the super cheap mining stations. They can ramp early and maintain late.

>>147913651
>10% damage vs infinite fleet size
Im sorry what, I cant hear you over the sound of endless energy. Dont stay out of that dock too long or you'll go into debt again.

>>147913726
Sorry, I can't hear you over the sounds of my bombs freeing your people.

>>147913719
Yeah the military Ethos and all its government types need a massive buff. Worthless in comparison to everything else.
>Military Junta
>-5% ship upkeep

>>147913832
But you're not, you're already dead. Anon-san cant even afford his meds hes in so much credit debt.

>>147913902
The ship upgrade cost isn't a bad bonus on its own, but compared to plutocratic oligarchy it just doesn't compete early. And late game you aren't upgrading nearly as much and mineral income isn't as crucial as early game.

Military dictatorship has some decent bonuses, and military republic is pretty good for hyperlane only games. They ended up fixing military junta a bit, it just doesn't compete even between the other two military governments.

>>147914112
Should make it so all the military factions get intergalactic nukes for glassing planets

and all military factioins should have Gandhi AI

>>147914583
Military governments could be unique and good.
They have to change fleets and ship combat first though.

Serious question, who the fuck was so retarded as to not even name anything in the mod archieve?

Good starting nation for Endless Legend

Also give me some starting tips, which buildings and fidsi to prioritize, tech guide etc, shit like that

>>147915140
Ground combat needs the most work.

>>147916315
Whats wrong with it? I've never had any problems.

>>147916005
Elves or Dargons

>>147915980
Yeah it's annoying. They are all out of date anyway so don't bother with it

>your spies can level up only if they catch other spies or steal technologies
Pretty stupid desu, I don't want to steal from others and other people aren't stealing from me now. But I want my spies to be more effective in city states, what do I have to do?

Is there a better espionage mod?

>>147916005
Necrophage.
They end up with so much units it's ridiculous.

>>147916840
They should have something like in Seven Kingdoms 2, where your spies slowly gain XP while being dormant.
Then again, people don't die from old age in that game.

Are lasers and lances still the best Stellaris weapons after the last patch?

>>147916384
It's boring and simple as shit.

>>147916315
Ground combat is always shit in space games.
I challenge you to name ONE space game where ground combat is good.

And I mean a real space game, not a shit like Empire at War.

Should i make a shifter core point defense corvette and fill it with a big fucking slab of armor?

Will civ6 be 1upt?

>>147918787
mostly. later in the game, you can do two things: combine troops into corps/armies (more strength per unit), as well as combine normal army units and support units (like siege). there will also be formations that you can set units to move in so you dont have to constantly click them to move a tile every turn.

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>>147918787

>>147917669
Torps both before and after. AI still loves it's shield technology and neglects point defence.

>>147912516
This is a problem us humans are running into actually. Our lives are getting longer, but "useful" years (aka years spent not bedridden and capable of coherent thought) have stayed more or less the same since the dawn of time. For most humans, the useful years end at roughly 70.

It very well may be the case that these spacefaring civilization realized this too, and simply chose to let their elders die than waste resources needlessly elongating lives. Even better if they have the cloning tech and can simply transfer consciousness over bodies like Tleilaxu.

>>147910382
kek

>>147917669
a bottleship with defensive comp (for extra range/hit) loaded with nothing but lances and crystal plates is the meta

>>147919498
Torps have travel time and ship AI has a tendency to not stop firing until the target is dead, which effectively cuts DPS severely via wasted warheads. The increased range doesn't help matters at all.

>>147918950
How do you have that many planes? Was this before that patch which brought us the plane limit or is there a way to increase it?

Btw I think Civ VI has a seperate airport district

>>147915140
Add manpower resource based on pop, pop traits, ethics and goverment types.
Manpower need for operating ships, stations and ground units.

>>147920213
Someone that would reward having a lot of planets?

>>147920213

>encouraging playing wide

Wrong answer anon

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>wide is bad

>>147906049
Too soon.

>>147922278
It will forever be too soon.
Everything's gone!...Kharak is burning! Kharak is being consumed by a firestorm.

Don't blame me if I'm not eager to play the game. Just watching it on Youtube nearly broke my heart.
Not as much as Paul's death in Deus Ex. I really cried back then.

>>147920965
wide still dominates

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>Start a game
>5 turns later someone found a pantheon
>"It looks like Boudicca is in the game, well"
>A few turns later game lists me the civs based on their golds and someone has 520 gold
>"It looks like Isabella is in, too and she already found a wonder"
>A few turns later someone founded Oriental Orthodoxy
>"Fucking Haile is in too"
This is going to be an interesting game, it looks like every religious faggot is in it. I probably shouldn't even try to found a religion, they would just convert me anyway

>>147923912
Make sure to choose Catholicism.

Can't find where to close borders in diplomacy... Where is the menu option?

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>>147925489

Started playing my first civ 5 multiplayer game with my colleagues at my new work place.

Which victory type is the gentlest so I dont piss them off when I win?

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>>147925821
Thanks for the reply.
Yeah. I don't know why is not there! Any conditions that need to be fulfilled so it appears?

>>147926140
You already rivaled them. That closes them too.

>>147926030

Culture pisses everyone off. Same thing with Science.

Best victory condition is Conquer.

>>147926030

Science. That will show them how much of a sex god you are.

>>147926030
I never played MP but I think in MP most people tries domination in it, so whatever you're going for have enough units to defense.

What nation are you even playing?

>>147926392
Science vessels still have access with closed borders?

>>147926608

Nay. That will keep the malevolent mushrooms away from your precious anomalies.

>>147926579
Boudicca, since Im pretty good with it.

Initially I thought I would get scrubbed away because they have been playing since a while, but they didnt even knew about stealing workers from city states and that kind of stuff.
So after a horrible start due to a shitty location full with desert and ice (thanks map generator) outside of my forest city I managed to pull ahead quite a bit.

Im expecting an all out-warfare against me in the end game but we are playing on a 10 player map with 5 AIs. I dont really feel like going for domination since that would take quite long when everybody allies against me.

>>147926030
civ multiplayer is a lot like monopoly

>>147926030
people get pissed off the least with domination. thats what most people like to do, honestly.

>>147926140
scroll down

>>147927406
>but they didnt even knew about stealing workers from city states and that kind of stuff.
lmao, it looks like you can win it.

Which policies you went for? I guess you could go for cultural victory because it is really easy with Boudicca if you went piety, but I don't know would cultural work in MP

Also don't only think about improving your civ, also think about how to make things worse for other civs. For example the reason why Dandolo is so bad in MP is because even if people don't go for domination, they still DoW Dandolo and raid his caravans, making him completely useless. Depending on other guys' civs you can do the same I guess

Also desert tiles get shitload of oil in the late game, don't underestimate them

>>147928882
I went for tradition and patronage (since I discovered a shit ton of city states near me and we have super aggressive barbarians and Im getting loads of quests through this).

My intention was to keep whatever victory condition open for the time until I read university (which I just finished when we saved the game last night) and then decide what Im going for.

The good or bad thing (depending on your view) is that Im on some lonely island, thats connected to a continent full of AIs. All the human players are on a different continent I havent found yet so raiding them will be a bit difficult but they also cant easily raid me.

Also all AIs are per default my allies since it doesnt seem like my collegues know how to into Civ 5 AI. None of them has ever paid an AI to declare war and that kind of stuff.

Theres 1 guy how knows some stuff, though. Hes playing Shoeshones and before I joined the game he had been the one raping the group all day because of a godly early religion. But I messed that up for him by stealing the best perks together with AI Haile, so I dont know how he will keep performing now that his main strategy is dead.

>>147929794
>The good or bad thing (depending on your view) is that Im on some lonely island, thats connected to a continent full of AIs. All the human players are on a different continent I havent found yet so raiding them will be a bit difficult but they also cant easily raid me.
One of the most important thing about being in contact with other civs is technology. For a technology, for every civ you met that knows the technology, its research point drops for you. Also trading with other civs(by caravans) will give you(and them, depending on techs) science points. But it looks like you're not completely alone, the AI civs should be enough for you for now.,

Tradition was a bad choice if you ask me, Boudicca is more suited for wide. Though I had games where I went wide even with tradition because how OP that tree is, perhaps you've done the same

Pocatello doesn't really need a religion to be strong, his amazing scout unit gives him a great start and thanks to Civ V's snowballing system he usually does well, even when he's AI.

Also check for victory conditions to see who's going for what victory and who's getting which wonders. Because you haven't met them you won't see this of course but keep it in mind. Also try to be first to ideologies for that sweet free 2 policies. You already know which techs to prioritize, how to manage your GPs, how to manage your tiles(that growth/production "exploit"), etc right?

Why didn't Paradox give us a land unit designer for Stellaris? I want to give my theocratic birds some bitchin' power armor and gamma ray rifles.

So is it possible to win in Stellaris peacefully?

Just got rekt by a military alien because he's building closer and closer to my border and then he attacks me. His main army has 3k attack while my defense army only had 1.5k, only had 1 ally with a 1k ship but he bailed when the 3k ships attacked my capital.

Also how to or tips on making alliances?
I traded my special resources with 4 other alien races but only managed to get 1 to ally with me. (they all had around +120 points).

>>147930764
Yeah I have already played quite a few SP games and read stuff, so I think Im fine with the basic things. Though I actually didnt know meeting other civs reduces technology point costs, thanks.

I also feel like Tradition was not a good choice in hindsight. I was scared of early warmongering and getting raped by the other humans since I already heard them talking about doing this often, so I decided to stay small, but thats now kind of biting me in the ass.

>>147931552
Look for aliens with the same traits than you.
Of course, you're fucked if you're militaristic, two of them won't ally.

>>147930764
>growth/production "exploit"
What is it

So, I maintain fleets of screening destroyers and battleships in a 4:1 ratio. Should I use armor, plating or shields and which type on which class? My main enemy that has the capacity to match me seems to use mixed designs with neutron, devastator torpedoes, one lance and some plasmas on its battleships.

>>147932016
In Civ food/growth is calculated at the end of your turn whereas production is calculated at the start of your turn.

So you set your citizen focus to production focus, which means it will automatically put people on production tiles. But you don't let it automate, you lock citizens to food tiles yourself. This means, when a new citizen is born he'll immediately put on a production tile and because production tiles are worked at the start of the turn, he'll give you production as soon as he's born. But after that you assign him to a food tile, and in the same turn he gives you food too, Basically everytime a citizen is born you get twice of effect of a citizen

Not something gamebreaking but definitely puts you above other civs

>>147931552

If you build yourself up enough you won't need to bring friends.

>>147932423
But I want to make space friends.
Also making an alliance and then turning it into a federation seems cool so that's my current goal playing Stellaris.

Anyone else feel like there are not nearly enough engineering techs in Stellaris? I'm still unlocking new things in Physics and Biology but I'm now doing nothing but non-main weapons and repeating techs on Engineering.

My birds are light show freaks but they're apparently masters at kinetic weaponry too.

How do I actually genetically engineer races, lads? I've unlocked some very potent evolution tech and ones that give +1s to traits, but I can't find the button to splice genes.

I just got a servitor race I want to slap Very Strong on and make some Genetically Enhanced Super Soldiers.

>>147931552
yes, just always have a big fleet cause you will get attacked if you are weak

>>147932854
>f2
>species tab

>>147933778

Thanks senpai.

>>147920029
airport increases city airplane capacity.

>>147932356

crystal plating on destroyers and neutronium armor on battleships.Armor has the most value on BS because their base armor is already pretty high, with the right strategic resources and upgrades you can get 70% Armor on a BS easily. extra HP for destroyers for soaking more incoming damage.
Dont even bother with shields, especially if your opponent uses devastator torpedos.

>>147931196
The same place they've got the worthwhile victory conditions, in upcoming DLC.

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>>147910006

Continuing

So now Grand Nigeria did its grand move and easily conquered the visegradians and enslaved them.
Being the good guys we are, the americans and I are going to declare a liberation and humiliation war.

>>147934059

Speaking of Neutronium, do I have to build all my ships at my single station with a Forge if I want that +50%?

I tried doing the Navigator's Guild and apparently all my ships got the bonus after visiting it, but when I went to my forge I never got the +50%.

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First time paying attention the background in loading screen, who the fuck drew these maps? They're inaccurate as hell

>>147934803

>Not posting the nipple edit...

>>147934880
No one likes your edit.

>>147934880

Catherine was not attractive.

>>147934880
We're not all as desperate as you.

>>147935039
>>147935083
>>147935203

I don't like it either. Just waiting for 4am.

What happens if both Ottomans and Byzantium exist in a TSL map?

>>147907423
If you're taking about the nqmod then your wrong and it works with any adjacent fresh water.

>>147934880
source

>>147936897

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/civilization/images/1/10/Catherine_(Civ5).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20151118211708

Google, bro.

If I were to make a game of the month for Civ V again, would anyone play it? I miss them.

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>There's a Barbarian Encampment right where Copenhagen is
Accurate game lads

I want more depraved religions in Stellaris.
I want space zoroastrism.

How is Stellaris compared to, say, Distant Worlds Universe ?

Is it worth buying ? pirating?

>>147941218
Two things :
Stellaris is made by Paradox, who's famous for making good games, but after a lot of debugging and 5 DLCs.
Stellaris just came out.

Think about it.

>>147941218
Stellaris is barebones (to say the least) at the moment but it's incredibely accessible and fun up to the midgame. Lategame it becomes a bit of a chore, but what 4x doesn't?

A bit off-topic, but has any of you managed to get immerged in a 4X?
I just had a discussion about immersion with a friend, and he told me it's impossible to get sucked in a strategy game, that you're always a spectator, unlike in RPGs or FPS.

>>147941969
>4X
nope
>strategy game
yes

The question is how much sandboxing it has versus actual gaming. Civ 5 for example creates little immersion for me while Stellaris goes in the right direction.

>>147941843
>>147941452
Got it. I guess I'll wait a bit more then, maybe go back to DWU or Aurora for my fix.

>>147942227
DWU is pretty good.
It has SPACE PIRATES.

>>147941452
>>147941843
>>147942227
I won't turn this into personal blog mode, but the DLC model pisses me off so much.

Civ suffered from it, Paradox does, just... I miss the era of buying expansions in the box from the store with a worthy vanilla game off the bat. I wonder how everything can get off the internet, and I am aware of the irony saying that on a Hunnic culture victory imageboard.

>>147943531
For Paradox, they're more like expansions than DLCs, but yeah, it's a bad model.

How should I equip my ships against praethoryn scourge?

>>147944705
Point defense
Lances

>>147941218
>>147942227
I will add few thing.
Paradox try to fix it but it looks they have no idea how and what they want to do with a game.
>fix one thing poorly - broke 3 other things
>nerfing everything
>all play the same but some gameplay have more restrictions than others
In the moment you get how thing works(fast if you not retarded) it lose most of the charm as AI is brain dead and mechanics are lacking.

>PC unironically shut itself down while playing Endless Legend
I didn't know my PC was that bad, wew

Also how is wide vs tall in EL

>>147947675
Depends on faction and victory type
Broken lords and roving clans typically go wide for massive amounts of trade routes
Wild walkers you can do whatever the fuck you want
Vaulters need to be tall to use endless recycling
Cultists and Allayi are pretty much forced to be tall
Necrophages can be both because of cellulose mutation
Good luck with forgotten lul

>>147948515
Thanks. I was playing WW so I guess I'll have around 10 cities

Also are coasts world settling? Should I settle a coast city, or reach coast with a district or should I just ignore the sea completely?

>>147949598
>coasts world settling
worth* settling

>>147949735
When you get the ship port technology, coastal cities can reach absolutely insane amounts of industry. They are definitely worth settling

>>147944705
Shit loads of point defence (really, a shitload) and whatever your best anti-armour weapon is.

>>147947675
>wide vs tall
I'm sure the answer is very simple but I must ask nonetheless.

>>147940880

Zoroastrianism was not depraved, you're thinking of Nahuatl or that Egyptian snake God.

I think Paradox expects you to assume the sacrifices or sibling sex is going on, since it never explicitly mentions who your leader is married to or the details of their worship.

>>147950401
Isn't Zoroastrianism the one where you have a sacred family that mustn't mix their blood?

I dunno, it annoys me a bit that religion is always so underwhelming in Paradox games.
People go to war more easily because of religion rather than because of politic.

>>147950773
A casus belli is not necessarily the actual reason people to go war. You can say it is a Holy War, but there are always other more substantial reasons.

>>147951869
I don't necessarily means war. I was thinking of cults that can convert variousspecies and fuck your shit even more, or strange state religion.

>Desert start
>first ai pantheon is desert folklore
>Jungle start
>first ai pantheon is jungle culture
>stone and marble
>first ai pantheon is quarry faith
HOW DO THEY ALWAYS KNOW

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>>147952456

>Brethren Moons
>Sentient Stars
>Angry Planets
>Comets bringing madness
>Freaky Void Cults

It's a shame that the only cultists you'll ever really encounter is that early-game chain of quests revolving around a magical armada of religious fanatics.

Also how strange do you want it? Because you can interpret the typical Divine Mandate *very* differently depending on how you feel about the race.

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>>147952657
>TSL as Russia
>Someone steals Dance of Aurora 2 turns before I can found a pantheon
I nearly dropped the game but I will not, I'm going to continue it sometime and raze every one of the cities of the faggot who took it

>>147953073
CBP Dance of the Aurora is OP on a Europe map if you start in the top right.

Has Paradox fixed Stellaris so that its playable and also is there a good Stargate mod for it?

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Quick question.

Is there any way I can bookmark or "save" a system so I don't lose it in the sea of stars while modifying a slave species?

>>147952729
Mainly stuff that will make my roleplay easier.

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>purging and resetteling is a million times easier than trying to make filthy xeno scum with completly different ethics happy
I really wanted to be a reasonable warlord that doesn't kill civis. But this game really wants me to go full Imperium and purge everything.
Sol III is next

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I'm not the only one cheesed that the Americans are being led by Theodore Roosevelt in Civ 6, am I? He feels like a poor replacement compared to Washington/Lincoln.
>only got to be President because McKinley got shot
>only got reelected because his opponent was so middle-of-the-road he got run over
>sent a fleet to circumnavigate the world just to jack off America's collective dick
>fucked over his entire party because he didn't like Taft
>muh big stick
If they wanted a Roosevelt to be leader of the Americans, they should have chosen Franklin Delano. Winning one of the biggest wars of all time while turning your nation's economy around? That's leader material.

>>147956420
In this one instance yes, you are completely alone.

You don't hear the stated reason he was chosen nor do you have good taste in past presidents.

>>147908580
>I told her my house was closer and that I failed to see why I should go to her house. She never spoke to me again after that and kept calling me an idiot.
Sounds like she didn't appreciate you anon, your reasoning seems sound to me.
Remunds me of one time me and a spicy Latina chick were getting hot and heavy. I started fiddling her flesh-cute with my left hand and she tells me to be careful and not get cramps.
>"no problem, this is my WASD hand. I could do this for hours."
I didn't hear much from her after that either. Bitches be crazy man.

so in stellaris the unbidden have spawned finally, so i send my 1M strong fleet in. The problem is my ships land and get blasted for months and finally die off without firing a single shot back at the enemy. My combat log is literally reading 0,0,0 for damages done.

>>147958612
Are you using purely fighters and bombers

>>147956420

They said they would chosoe leaders based on their exceptional character and not on achievements/significant historical period they ruled in.
So teddy makes sense because he had a distinctcharacter, whereas FDR merely guided the USA through a very rough period of history

>>147956420
>He doesn't like Big Stick Teddy
That being said I would have preferred Andrew Jackson and his unique unit would be himself going into battle to duel his opponents.

>>147960352
I'd rather have Jack Churchill.

>>147956420
Agreed, Obama would be a much better choice

>>147960352
>US led by Andrew Jacksom
>Unique unit: Andrew Jackson. Beats the crap out of anything that moves with his cane.
>Unique ability: Trail of Tears. Bonus damage to any civ below your current era.
>Unique improvement: Reservation. Reduces unrest for recently conquered cities, but decreases pop in the process.

>>147963184
Truly the greatest President

>>147963184
There should be something in there about destroying America's banking system. Maybe include "you don't get banks" in the UA.

>>147966671
>>147963345
I dunno much about Jackson besides his history with American Indians. How'd he fuck up with the banks?

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>>147963184

>>147965943
>implying

National Bank was a bad idea.

>>147966671
>If a civ is an era behind you, you're not going to have much trouble taking them out anyway

it just makes taking them out cheaper

>>147966984
He hated banks so he prevented a national bank from coming about.

>>147966984
he kept a federal bank from being created.

>>147968236
How is that bad?
I'm rather ignorant about banks as well.

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>>147956420

Ted fits the progressive agenda way too well to pass up.

So you're not the only one cheesed, but Lincoln/FDR are equally disappointing choices from my perspective.

>>147968837
A lot of folk would agree with Jackson about federal banks being shit. What's funny is that they put him on the $20 which he would have fucking hated.

Jackson is one of those Presidents where you either love the crazy fucker or hate him.

>>147967909
The results speak for themselves, anon. You might as well be arguing for the Articles of Confederation.

>>147921987
>>147920965
The fucking Wide-vs-Tall meme needs to end. Historically anything "tall" became "wide" as a matter of course, you'd end up either like China / Rome who were tall as fuck and became wider and wider or end up like Venice / Genua who were tall as fuck, not wide, but whose influence was wide enough that they essentially owned half the ports in the Med each.

>>147923912
inb4 Theodora

>>147934803
>Russian Tribe

>>147968837
its not like it mattered, the Federal Reserve is a national bank in everything but name.

>>147956420
Should have been Bill Clinton desu
>UA: Bonus relations with female leaders

>>147970380
HE MADE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

>>147973409
He didn't, America was just slightly less of a shit when he finished.

>>147973396
>implying

>George Bush
>UA: a thousand points of light

I'm trying to get into Civ 4 because I'm hoping the late game is not dreadful and awful like it is in 5.
But I have no idea how to manage my military. I have enough units that every new unit costs GPT. Does that mean I have enough units? I've never understood when enough is enough in doomstack games.

So a friendly empire in stellaris which I only had a non-aggression treaty with somehow dragged me into this war with another species. Long story short I crushed them and got the war score up to 100%, but the war score negotiations things won't let me enforce demands because apparently the AI was the main attacker, so now I'm stuck in quagmire while my nation gets war weary and starts dragging my production down. What do I do?

>>147975168
It's never enough in the doomstack.
This is why CiV removing the doomstack was literally the greatest change in any game ever and revealed civ 4 to be the shallow sham it was.

>>147974164
>He didn't, America was just slightly less of a shit when he finished.
That's the joke.

>>147975407
>again

>>147975320
Except CiV removing the doomstack simply made the game more tedious.
A much better solution would've been supply limits or something.

>>147975563
THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE PERFECT!
AMERICA WAS GREAT BACK THEN!

>>147975563
You say tedium I say tactical.
The removal of the doomstack made way for heroic chokepoint standoffs.
My favorite civ 5 moment was when I had a single Japanese spearman hold a pass against a horde of enemy spearmen and warriors.

The only way the change could have been improved would be to have army deployment systems on a zoomed in tactical map.

>>147975915
You could make the argument that even Japan was greater.

>>147975915
The US has been going for a very long time without any law system.

point defense more like POINTLESS defense am I RIGHT lads???

t. ai

>>147975941
>The removal of the doomstack made way for heroic chokepoint standoffs.
>My favorite civ 5 moment was when I had a single Japanese spearman hold a pass against a horde of enemy spearmen and warriors.
That is a Total War-scale thing, not a Civilization-scale thing. ONE army, composed entirely of spearmen who took up an entire mountain pass, held off entire armies composed entirely of spearmen and warriors respectively for decades? Really?

Paradox games had the right idea. If you don't have Total War battles, then it comes down to mashing stacks with attrition and terrain bonuses. Civ IV's doomstacks still made sense, a spearman could hold a hills-forest-river mountain pass against like six or seven attacking spearmen for a good turn, not for 20.

>>147976298
>It takes settlers a hundred years to move 20 miles
>It takes 800 years to amass a couple hundred people to form a new village

The instant you start applying civ timescales to anything any argument breaks down.

>>147975941
>tactical
But it's not a game of tactics. It's a game of strategy, the scale is completely off.

>>147976298
>>147975941
Stop arguing and tell me how to manage a military in Civ 4.
The military advisor doesn't tell me how strong I am like it does in 5 so I'm completely lost.

>>147976564
Literally never stop building military
The instant you do someone will build a bigger military.

>>147976463
Yeah fine, but my point still stands. It makes no sense, a spearman with medic upgrades can and will just sit there forever until they get a better unit.

>>147976564
What's your era and who are you playing as

>>147976648
But I don't wanna go broke. I just need enough units to discourage invasion.

>>147976673
I think I'm in the medieval era and I'm playing Pacal. I have a bunch of units I can't afford to upgrade and I have the best research of any of my neighbors, but I don't have a lot of land and I don't have the power to take some.

>>147976673
That's kind of the point.
The greek city states could have sat at thermopylae for years had the Persians not discovered a path to encircle them.

Tech increases make the terrain itself play differently, rather than simply updating the unit sprite.

>>147977045
>Tech increases make the terrain itself play differently, rather than simply updating the unit sprite.
Because the rifleman is totally not a melee unit in Civ

>>147977045
Mainly because the Greek phalanx specialized in nothing but defense, perhaps. I can't think of that many examples of such bullshit occurring in history.

>>147976961
Build more cottages, it sounds like your economy is borked.

>>147977305
Guns are effectively modern melee weapons.

>>147977309
My economy is fine, I'm just past my supply limit, even with Vassalage. I need gold to upgrade the units I have but every new unit costs GPT. If I I spend too much GPT on new units I won't be able to upgrade anything, and I'll go bankrupt. Is it usually better to replace old units instead of upgrading them?

>>147977943
What the fuck are you on about
Are you talking about the difference between Infantry / Cavalry / Artillery? Because modern infantry simply doesn't make use of melee combat range.

>>147977960
If you have the production to why not. How strong are you compared to your neighbors?

>>147978161
>How strong are you compared to your neighbors?
That's the thing, I have no idea. In Civ 5 I would check the military advisor, but in Civ 4 that seems to do nothing except tell you which units you have vision of.
I'm pretty sure I have the best technology, but that was a recent development so I don't have much of a lead yet, and most of my units are outdated.

My physical neighbors are Catherine and Caesar. Catherine could definitely annex me if she wanted to, but I'm thinking about beating up on Caesar since he has no friends and I have no room for expansion.
But how big does a stack have to be to be big enough for a war?

>>147978495
stack artillery

win civ 4

>>147978495
>Catherine could definitely annex me if she wanted to
Let her ;)

>>147952729
>It's a shame that the only cultists you'll ever really encounter is that early-game chain of quests revolving around a magical armada of religious fanatics.
Fucking Cerberus. Humanity could have used that Prothean shipyard.

>>147950773
>Isn't Zoroastrianism the one where you have a sacred family that mustn't mix their blood?
I've never heard of this in relation to any religion.
Zoroastrianism is the original monotheistic faith, but was displaced by Islam centuries ago.

>>147979559
>Zoroastrianism
>monotheistic

>>147941969
>not getting immersed in rpgs
you're friend is a faggot

>>147980546
No less so than early Judaism, which took for granted the existence of Canaanite and Egyptian gods and merely asserted that Yahweh could beat them all up if he wanted to.

>>147980807
>early judiasm
>monotheistic

>>147980754
You misunderstood.

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>>147941969
Fallen Enchantress, but that's more of a 4x+RPG.

>>147981584
How is it like? Like Age of Wonders?

>>147981697
Yes, they are very alike.
I played both games extensively.
AoW is better gameplay-wise imo. Also even the latest version of Enchantress have a large amount of bugs ranging from minor to near gamebreaking.

>>147982229
Ha. Too bad then, because I have Age of Wonders and I never found it fun.

>>147981697
Very like AoW, both are born from Master of Magic. FE's big thing is random maps, custom factions and custom units. Unfortunately it's AI isn't as good and most units start to feel the same since you tend to craft the same units whatever faction you play it. I liked the quests and city building in FE.

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>>147905302
Any opinions on Stellaris vs Sins vs Distant Worlds?
Don't have any space based 4x.

>>147980990
>unlike
yep I can't read

>>147982596
Nah, Master of Magic has more focus on economy.
Age of Wonders and that other 4X I tried that was based on Majesty are more oriented on combat.
Especially the unamed one, you're literally constantly under attack in that one.

>>147982656
Stellaris is basic and will need tme to be good.
Distant Worlds is old and ugly but complete and has many mods.
Sins is a bit a boring.

>>147982656
Distant Worlds is by far the best of the three

>>147983017
Warlock, Master of the Arcane.

benis

so is there any sort of fix for warscore in stellaris? I get that it's supposed to calm down suddenly wiping shit out but god damn getting to do jack shit to an enemy before he surrenders and then waiting 10 fucking years is stupid. Maybe a research that increased potential warscore?

>>147987784
Warscore is fine and increasing the cap wouldn't make any sense, since it's a percentage. The issue is costs. Some ruler traits affect warscore costs, so it would probably be simple to implement cost-reducing techs.

>>147988156
>overwhelming power to a fair sized nation
>could easily crush them in under 10 minutes
>NO SORRY FAGGOT YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU HAVE TO PICK THEM APART SLOWLY WITH BREAKS FOR THEM TO BREATH EVERY NOW AND THEN
that shit is fucking retarded. I'm a galactic tyrant why should I give them 10 years of peace

>>147988393
>>147988156
to add to this I feel like you should be able to declare additional demands, like if you are stomping someone then you should also be able to add "and I'm taking this planet fuck you".

>>147987784
Don't expect much, all Paradox games are like that
Except ot used to make some historical sense, and it makes none in a space setting.

At least EU4 and Victoria 2 had new/cheaper CBs at the late game. Stellaris should have something like that too, something to pit the militaristic blobbers against federations.

>>147975941

now youre talking precisely about endless legends m8

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>>147970805
Civ names by policies: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=163582857
Great mod imo, a must have

>>147934021
Only to a max of ten. I can only assume that the other +5 are from the Carrier.

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>tfw trying to go solo militaristic and only conquering one type of planet because I won't allow any other species in my empire

>>147995626
Use robots
See if you can trigger a mega robot rebellion

>>147995626
If you get habitability techs and a frontier clinic you can colonize 60% planets without much trouble.
Conquer the rest anyway, and replace their populations with robots and mass-produce minerals.

Will there be pitboss dedicated server which doesn't require a GPU or a copy of the stupid game for Civ 6?

>>147959376
no im using tac lances and torps

>>147905302
If I had to choose a kind of missile or torpedo or what ever for my ships what should I do?

I wanted to make little "torpedo bomber" fleets that have really high evasion on corvettes that torp fleets from afarr that do amazing damage

Border Friction penalties need to be reduced heavily. It makes it so stupidly hard to make friends with neighbors

>>148000623
It makes sense though. Why the fuck would you ally a neighbor?

>>148000964
Why wouldn't you? You can both expand together. Why ally with some random on the other side of the galaxy?

ass

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>>148003492
>>147987117
Post something 4x related when you bump pls. At least some random 4x pics I don't know

>>148003691
4X ass

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>>147998593
>settle it anyway
>it triggers a mutation and now your brand new planet is full of sub-species with Alien Overlords and Primary Species Voting malus

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Does anyone know how to edit the minimum/maximum zoom level in Endless Legend? The game has a beautiful world, I want to zoom more and look closer to them. I looked through its files but couldn't find anything

>>148004128
>sub-species
>replace with robots

>>148000623
There should be something like Border treaty that you sign with friendly neighbour so it make borders static against this specific neighbour limiting border friction.

>>148005183
that actually sounds like a good idea.

>>148005231
I have plenty of good idea.

>>148005545
Share your good ideas with us oni-chan

>>147956420
He was basically the Donald Trump of his day and is fitting for the 2010's. I approve of the choice. Also a lot of his policies would make people call him a WN or /pol/ type today.

t. trump voter

>>148007148
Except unlike trump he served gloriously in the military. Trump is a petulant child compared to Teddy.

>>148007581
That's true. America isn't quite in the same rising period as it was under Teddy though, so this is the best we're going to get for a while.

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Looks like Spain got BTFO by India.

Does anything worthwhile come out of ringworlds
I feel like sanctuary is always something that's within FE borders so it's something inaccessible for most of the game

>>148008285
What is that meat resource?

So i've tried to mod in a trait but it doesn't show up.
I looked up what should be added for that trait and I have no idea what I did wrong, anyone here know anything about modding Stellaris?

Is there any mod for civ 5 that gives happiness for duplicate luxuries? I play single player and the ai is retardedly slow at getting their luxuries online and when they do they're too dumb to take a mutually beneficial 1 for 1 duplicate luxury trade.

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>>148008285
>.png

>>148009840
>they're too dumb to take a mutually beneficial 1 for 1 duplicate luxury trade.
They just don't like you

Just play netherlands

favourite civ
least favourite civ
favourite ai
least favourite ai

spain
brazil
boudica
dido

How do I play on a speed higher than quick? Even normal is suffering, I'd rather just blast through a game and win on turn 180 than suffer waiting for turn 180 to finish my national college on epic.

>>148011735
If normal is suffering then 4x games arent for you.

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>>148011238
>favourite civ
Arabia, Assyria and Babylon
I usually play random and when I get Arabia or Assyria I know that I'm going to have fun. Both can be great if you know how to play and both have great music. Babylon because Neb was(and still is) one of my favourite people in the history

>least favourite civ
Iroquois/Venice
I get these faggots about 90% of the time I roll random, it gets pretty fucking boring after a while. Not to mention Iroq are completely shit

>Favourite AI
Dido/Augustus
Dido because she betrays fucking everyone, it's fun to watch. Augustus because he's usually successful and I like his AI table

>least favourite AI
Genghis
Because of his AI variables he warmongers too early and stupidly tries to conquer city states. He angers others civs too early and gets his shit pushed by back them, he fails in everygame he's in. That AI is really not suited for Genghis. I wish they would have fixed it somehow

>>148011735
I started playing with Historical speed mod. Where techs are of the speed of marathon but units are of normal I think. Combine it with YNAEMP's Giant Earth and you'll have a game that lasts weeks, but you won't get bored like marathon because of many, many wars that happen. Use it with a higher difficulty though as that makes AI more aggressive and expansionist

So i picked Civ V up during the summer sales, anyone got any guides that can help me play better?
I have only managed to win by not losing over the course of 500 turns, and while that is nice and all, i would like to be a little more efficient at the game.

>>147999793
Literally worthless, battleships + tachyons are all you need.

>>148008285
Isabella is about to accept the Brown Dick.

>>148012914
I hate Rome and Alexander because they put a city literally every 4 tiles and it's super obnoxious.
I hate Dido because she gets uppity and pissy if you exist in the same universe as her.

How compatible are mods that add extra luxuries with custom maps with better scripting for resource placements?

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>>148013746
Not only Isabella.

>>148014365
i wish i had a bigger screen your UI looks nice

>>148014365
Are you playing on an Earth shaped map?

>>148014485
You must want a pretty big screen, I'm not at all a fan of the scroll bars in the UI.

>>148014861
My screen is pretty small man, like half the time, even if i zoom in, i can still sometimes click the incorrect unit.

>>148014485
>>148015014

Get Enhanced User Interface.

Would you recommend Stellaris? What is it like?

>>148016114
>What is it like?

Unfinished piece of leftist propaganda, wait a year or two and it might be playable

>>148016601
Leftist propaganda?

>>148016714
They literally banned a mod that would remove black/chinese names and pictures from the human list. Theres a bunch of other shit in it along the lines of >muh social justice. Its basicly reddit in space

>>148016714
Anything that isn't minority genocide simulator is a leftist propaganda, don't you know?

>>148016839
I approve this message.

I would recommend ethnic cleansing and concentration camp manager, those are some good games

>>148016714
It's made by swedes. You cannot make space nazis and mod out black humans because that's racist.

>>148016714
https://www.google.com/search?num=100&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=stellaris+white+race+mod+taken+down
The best part isn't taking down this particular mod, but not doing anything to similar mods for chinks and niggers.
Sweden-based developers in a nutshell.

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Is there a way to close borders to everyone?

>>148016961

You can't genocide filthy xenos?

>>148017273
You can genocide filthy xenos. You can even genocide filthy primary species

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r8 muh faction idea

>>148018297
>Divine Human Mandate
Garbage name into the trash.

>>148018297
>le gods chosen people
>divine
>ark
>six ships
kike/10

>>148018297
4th grade/10

>>148018297

Are there robot civilizations or is it all flesh chauvinism?

>>148018614
There is a mod for that.
Or wait for the DLC possibly this year.

>>148018297
>No linebreaks in the bio
shit/10

>>148012914
Why does his face look like a piece of bacon?

>>148019217
Can you actually make linebreaks in Stellaris bio?