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Infra Arcana 18.2 released: https://sites.google.com/site/infraarcana/downloads
Release Notes: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/martin-tornqvist/ia/v18.2/assets/release_history.txt

New Demon Release introduces Relic upgrades: http://demon.ferretdev.org/devblog/71-upgrade-complete/

Poschengband 5.0.0 released (breaks save compatibility!)
http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showpost.php?p=111423&postcount=233

Vanilla Angband Comp(until July 6)
Elf Warrior with a permacursed Deathwreaker:
http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php

>FAQ and What to Play
FAQ: http://pastebin.com/Q7K91Q34
What to Play?: http://pastebin.com/yfUKx35f

>Webterminal
Rogue Nexus – Cataclysm online with shared map and tons of other roguelikes in a simple online package! (USA Only)
http://roguenex.us

>Individual Game Pastas
http://pastebin.com/pkf1qnuZ

Old, cursed general : >>147272905
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>>147418230
How do I into Gozag?
I wanna be a Jew Crawler but always fail to do so
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>>147418353
Play a mummy fighter/monk/gladiator and do the safety dance.
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>>147418230
So is the poschengband meant to imply that no matter how good you are, something bigger will fuck you up?
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>>147418353
One way is to just play a race that doesn't need chunks, i.e Spriggans or Mummies.
Then
>accumulate dosh
>fund shops to git gud gear
>save up more dosh to Bribe branch ends
>realize that Bribe is the single most broken ability in the entire game
It's worth noting that Gozag is practically tailor made for mummies since they don't need food to begin with AND he gives them access to potion effects, which they normally can't get.
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>>147418547
I'm pretty sure that it's about the fact you have to kill stuff like elder gods and regular gods of many different mythologies which are generally a big deal
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>>147418632
>>147418547

Could also be a reference to the boss being a giant snake.
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>>147418230
>DCSS
An accurate depiction of the brain on Be.
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>>147418230
I don't get the CoQ one.
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>>147419479
Do you love to suck CoQ?
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>>147419479
It's because it's still in development.
and always will be
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>>147418552
Is it really impossible to survive only on preservable food?
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>Close door behind me after getting chased by hydra
>Turn corner into melee range of a porcupine while at 10 health
>Meph cloud it since only enough mana for one spell and blink fucked me over multiple times against the hydra, hence low health
>Both of us confused, no biggie
>Take one step to get out of cloud
>Spiny frog rounds corner from out of sight and attacks me in one turn, killing me
I am become death, splatter of characters.
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>>147420586
You forgot the last line
>I play nothing but real roguelikes
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>>147420940
>>147420586

>>147421106
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>>147421143
All me.
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>>147421192
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Cockulus is doing good, finally found a source of lev, so now I can grind dragons for days.

Tried plunging into the castle, got stomped in and was forced to expend my stock of 4 heal pots
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>>147421239
>life
>not nature
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>>147421315
I gave my friend a list of races, classes and personalities, this is what happened.

He wanted her to administer sexual healing, so he chose life.
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>>147421370
>her
>golem
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>>147421795
I joke with my friend that's it's an animated japanese (female) sex doll, and it aggravates because it constantly emits stock porn sound effects at max volume.

So her works, even though it's technically a construct.

It's all good fun.
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>>147421937
>it aggravates
that sounds terrible in the mid-endgame
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>>147421937
that's far better than i imagined

this needs to be drawn
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>>147421995
Yep.
Sexy is pretty bad.
Though lategame you're just recalling in and out to get *healing* and murder uniques anyway.
Also, most of the best items aggravate, so it ends up not really mattering.

>>147422026
Working on it. I'll work more on it later.
I didn't use a reference because I hate myself and want to die.
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>>147422092
>I didn't use a reference because I hate myself and want to die.
Sounds like the average PCB player.
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>>147422137
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>>147421239
wait what
how is sexy a 'personality'
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>>147422326
sexy = haughty and prideful
Says so in the description.

It's also obviously a joke.
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>>147422371
Sounds like bloat to me.
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>>147422508
Congrats on having an opinion?
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>>147422508
you're face is bloat

thats why you dont like sexy people

bloaty mc bloatface
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>>147422656
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>>147422656
NO BULLY!
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>>147422656
Rekt
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>>147418353
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>>147407064
Staves aren't the best idea since they haste everything in LOS.
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Play some roguelikes FUCK
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>>147426923
FUCK playing roguelikes.
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>>147427195
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lel

Shame I get an icky wield penalty which fucks my failrates a bit, since Bolshoi has a +4 chr bonus.
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http://nethack.org/#News
neat?
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>>147427880
With all the variants around, who cares honestly.
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>>147427980
This. They left it untouched for way too long, no one cares about vanilla NetHack any more.
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>>147427880
That looks awesome in my opinion.
I've gotten used to the UI whenever I've played it over the years but now I can't play it anymore after playing Nethack 4.
I'm hype.
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>>147427980
>>147428045
...They're bringing in the two most important variant devs?
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>>147428159
They're bringing them in to do exactly the same things they've already done in the variants.
It's just gonna be Nethack4 with maybe some Un features.
Mark my werds
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>>147427468
I'm doing it. I'm doing her in the butt.
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>>147427468
Satori would never say that

Koishi is obviously manipulating her.
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>>147428215
>They're bringing them in to do exactly the same things they've already done in the variants.
copying shit from variants has always been an important part of nh development.
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>>147427880
>Nethack4 and UnNethack devs joining the official devteam

holy shit

nethack renaissance?
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>>147418230
>no separate MuMo entry
shit list
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>>147428763
>I literally cannot live without memes being funneled into my asshole 24/7
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>>147429090
Yes, and?
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>>147427468
I wanna do it in your butt

>>147429204
I have a meme for you right here
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>>147429315
>two (You)s in one post
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>>147415034
>this would have made lovecraft cry
Exactly. It's everything that Lovecraft feared and demonized.

>and is making miyazaki cry RIGHT NOW
Miyazaki is a pedo cuck who directs pretty but shitty Disney knockoffs. His opinion is trash. It holds no value.
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Let's do this shit... after I unload excess crap
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>>147429516
Then you really want this spicy meme huh?
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>>147429749
I'm not sure.
I wasn't really following any conversation, just funposting.
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>>147429802
Don't play coy. He's saying he wants to stick his benis up your butthole.
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wow are they really going to make shoals/swamps and snake/spider only 2 floors deep. wtf
i hate dcss now
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>>147429551
>Exactly. It's everything that Lovecraft feared and demonized.
It's actually the complete opposite of what Lovecraft feared and demonized. He feared insignificance and vastness, Gookshit puts individual humans into the spotlight and makes the eldritch orbit around them, then says "b-but they do it for INCOMPREHENSIBLE reasons!"
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Rekt
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THIS guy comes up to you in the dungeon and smacks you in the @.
How do you respond?
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>>147429802
Im funposting aswell, just wanna stick my dick into your butt and play roguelikes
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>>147430203
No, not that. It's the corruption of good white folk(Lovecraft's work) through aggressive interracial breeding(weebification), resulting in something that bears some shallow resemblance to what it once was, but is obviously and inherently twisted into something wrong and monstrous.
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>>147430364
Kill it, possess it's corpse and wear The One Ring
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>>147430609
Really? I heard lovecraft basically was a NEET who was just afraid of the people outside in his neighborhood. Hell, if he was born now we would have no lovecraft books, just another /pol/ shitposter
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Teleported into what was probably a gold dragon

Quite anticlimactic, id rather ave died to something I could actually see.

Reminds me of why I stopped playing, oh well, I know im going to run in ass first tomorrow anyway.
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>>147431001
And no, I had no equipment that could have provided sound resistance. It was a pure and simple 'fuck you' teleport
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>>147431278
Good doujin
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>>147430994
>just another /pol/ shitposter
That's pretty much what I just said, anon.

The horror of interracial breeding is a recurring theme in Lovecraft's work, and Nyaruko the anime is an example of horrific interracial breeding. It would have terrified Lovecraft.
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>>147429551
>Miyazaki is a pedo cuck who directs pretty but shitty Disney knockoffs.
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>>147431497
At least he understands that much.
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>>147431497
>Ah, Miyazaki-senpai is talking mad shit again.
>My throat hurts.
>He talks too much.
>I wish I was at home, playing with my airplanes.
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>>147430994
>>147431391
Lovecraft was based, he had a cat called niggerman.
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i have

include = ibm_glyphs.txt
char_set = ibm

in my crawl settings but it just ignores it and keeps using ascii, how do i get the ibm char set to work? i just want those sleek solid walls
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>>147431391
Aha, well, we are in agreement then. Sorry, anon, I just don't speak a lot of 4chan. I never watched nyaruko. So I wouldn;t know about the themes of breeding in that anime.
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>>147431770
You have to do it manually.

Find the ASCII code for solid blocks and set the glyph using the options.
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Hey ereybody, I'm back!

Do I look prepared for the swamp? Cause I sure as fuck don't feel prepared.
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>>147432114
damn, alright. why'd they remove the best character set? why's the file even in my settings folder if i can't use it
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>>147432130
>/v/
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>>147432130
You should really get that EV to 30. Your defenses are kind of low for branches, but you should be fine. Be very diligent about fighting with your ice bros. around.
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>>147432225
>Alpha Centauri
Nah, he is cool.
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>>147432225
>>/v/
Its an Alpha Centauri thread, I don't give a shit which board its on I'm gonna fight to keep it alive.
>>147432256
I've been trying to raise muh ice magic to try and get an alternative way to get some dps since I can't find another summoning book to save my fucking life.
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>>147432393
You're a Merfolk, just hitdudes
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>>147432649
Fine, but the icebros won't be great forever.

Also, what's up with this crap?
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Last night I had a dream about a ruk thrower (a man with down syndrome) searching for the land of the ruk throwers. There he met up with his two identical brothers and their cranky mother. I don't recall much of the dream but before he reached his destination he got into a fight on a bridge which somehow made it break down and fall apart.
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If I have a hand weapon in elona, which stats apply to ranged weapon's damage? EX, which stats on this weapon would apply to ranged damage? I can assume that the 3d3 does not apply but I'm wondering if the +5 hit, the +5 damage, the ####+ critical rate, et cetera, apply to ranged as well. I know the Eye of Mind will because it's a passive skill and not a modifier like the others. What about a weapon like Black Monkshood with +nerve and +poison damage, how is their application handled? Basically, I'm asking if weapon stats are local or global to attacking.
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>>147430609
No, that's just one of many things Lovecraft was neurotic about. The "Lovecraftian" aspect, the one he's famous for, the thing of his that was influential, is not that.
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>>147432820
>a ruk thrower (a man with down syndrome)
wha
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HELP!
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>>147433020
>ogres
>rukplayers
It's pottery.
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>>147432715
Looks like some gloves
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>>147432964
I'll always laugh at uncomfortable leftists who keep trying to squelch the xenophobia in Lovecraft's works.

They keep trying to redefine "Lovecraftian" to mean "spooky stories involving squid aliens" in an effort to make it more palpable.
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>>147433058
>no fog
you get the fuck away from that angel before he smites you and AS SOON AS YOU BREAK LOS you read teleport.
You should be able to outrun almost everything in the abyss but if you don't break LOS immediately you have a 1/5 chance of being dead no matter what you do.
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>>147433058
Its too late for you
Summons could hold them off as you run away maybe?
Remember to stop and consider EVERY SINGLE MOVE
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>>147432964
I didn't use the term Lovecraftian, anon.
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>>147433269
Hang a quick left then? That seems like the fastest way to get away from that fuck.
>>147433320
He's been ignoring the summons before I posted that. I don't think he'll stop for them, or even fell them, now.
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>>147433269
I thought only Daevas had smite
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>>147433448
by jove, you're right.

>>147433409
you're safeish. Just pop tele and fuck off.
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>>147433265
You seem to be slightly deficient when it comes to reading comprehension, mate. I never denied that aspect of his persona or writings, I said it wasn't the essence of what made his works influential or innovative.
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>>147433660
He said "I'll always laugh at uncomfortable leftists...".
That's enough of a reason to think he's just a /pol/poster.
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I hung a left right into a raiju and alligator simulacrum to try and avoid an abom in front of me. Tele didn't go off in time.
GG

Welp, time to start something else. Whats ya'll recommend?
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Can you not find elemental hounds in the area around outpost in PCB anymore? I've been looking in the level 20 wilderness for a while to magic missile them for easy levels but they don't seem to be biting.
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>>147433768
Your tabs aren't memey enough to include in the screenshot.
0/10 apply yourself.
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>>147433265
The thing is that he was a xenophobe, but his work was mostly not affected by it. At least not on the way people think

The most famous example, The Shadow Over Innsmouth, was inspired by the horror he felt when he discovered one of his ancestors was *gasp* Welsh
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Do vampires have Mutation Immunity (and rot instead) when bloodless? Or can they mutate while bloodless too?
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>>147433873
They don't spawn in the wilderness since 4.0.x I think.
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>>147433874
Lets try this then.
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>>147433939
Xenophobia does not mean "white man afraid of niggers", anon.
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I started playing Frozen Depths last night. So far it's not so bad. Does it get much harder later on?
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>>147434212
No, but the guy I'm replying to seems to think so. He specifically brought up that Lovecraft was inspired by the concept of white people becoming corrupted via interracial breeding
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>>147434367
Good white people. Welsh are bad white people.
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>>147434442
The fuck? How?
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>>147434156
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>>147434442
If you want to shitpost about lovecraft just post that poem already, everyone knows it
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>>147434480
Being white wasn't as simple back in the day. You could have white skin but still be a brown man.
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>>147434480
Slavs, italians, and the irish were all non-white at some point, for example.
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>>147434565
That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with Strange aeons, even death may die?
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>>147430994
The difference between Lovecraft and your average racist is that Lovecraft managed to channel his fear of black people into some really unnerving novels. I'd like to think that if he was a /pol/ shitposter, he'd just write stories about whatever /pol/ shitposters are afraid of. Ancient jewish conspiracies or something?
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That's one Hell of a way to end a first run.
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>>147434852
Big strong bulls fucking /pol/ waifus.
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So, what should I be aiming for with this bastard? I can get him running easy but I don't know where to go. I'm assuming get more int to transition into more ranged focused battle mage and stay light in armor.
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>>147424910
But if you have any kind of detection you can use it around a corner so nothing's in LOS.

It's nice to have an infinite source of speed that early on.
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>>147434852
He married a jewish woman and was notorious for going on rants about jews while talking with her
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has anyone here played pathos? pretty cool nethack based roguelike
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>>147435049
>-3306/48
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>>147435096
I can't tell from the icons, do you already have spectral weapon?
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>>147435334
No, not yet. Not that it matters. Had to start over, stepped out for one turn and instantly got orc smited to death.

How good would it even be with the spectral having to be in melee with me rather than a spear?
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>>147432835
Don't think anybody knows. I wondered the same in the past, and saw other people also wondering the same thing.
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>>147435167
12.0 on 10.0 scale of /pol/ness.

He could only be more /pol/ if she was also a man and he was complaining about gay jews while receiving the D.
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>>147432835
I could be wrong, but I believe the stats with the sword icon indicate stats that apply only to that weapon.
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>>147435432
Then pick spears for your next game

And try a demigod next, High Elves have shit HP
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>>147434352
Probably gets harder. Nobody in rlg has beaten it, but it might just be unknown/unpopular.
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Question: Do you have a way to know if there's a unique monster in a level of a dungeon in PCB? I don't want to explore the whole place just to not find anyone.
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Should I take Hepliak or wait for Oku?
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>>147436214
It is supposed to have a twist at the end, at least according to the roguelike radio podcast.
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>that con and chr
I really could not be much happier.
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Dungeon guardians have to be the most retarded change about PCB in a long time
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So are colossi just shittier maulers? They seem pretty good so far, movement speed thingy is a little bit annoying though.
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>>147436469
Actually, now that I think about it, Qazy seems like the best choice. Perhaps not as great as Oku since it'll take a lot more invocations but the clouds and rain will benefit the Mf and give me some AoE that I don't have.

What do ya'll think?
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>>147436931
Monster golems in general are basically monster maulers, yes. The main advantage they have over regular maulers is their intrinsic attack which you can rely on instead of being stiffed for weapons through a big chunk of the game. The disadvantage is they lack pretty much all of the cool powers maulers get, though they end up with a bunch of nice intrinsic resists and such.
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>>147436396
pls respond ;_;
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>>147436856
Yeah, I don't really like the change either. It removes being super stealthy and diving for loot way out of your depth which is fun (and usually gets me killed anyway).

I guess the idea was to prevent acquirement cheese?
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>>147418427
is there a version of this with sound somewhere?
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>>147437145
Palantir of westerness has an activation that tell what uniques are on the floor
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>>147437145
You don't.
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>>147437145
Think the uniques when not killed can spawn again later.
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>>147437190
>>147437226
>>147437216
OK, got it. Thanks.
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>>147437145
Generally uniques of similar depth will raise the level feeling. If you're a monster race hunting for your boss, there will be a special feeling.

If you're after some low level wanted dude I don't think you can tell.
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Just noticed that third property, doesn't affect me since I use easy_id but pretty neat if you don't.
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>>147437564
There's a rarer auto-identify property, too. Nice for randarts only games, though unlike the stone of lore your ID hat can be destroyed in your bag.
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So what's the impression on Uskayaw?
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Is anymore proof needed that Chei is best god?
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>>147436396
you should basically never be fully exploring levels anyways

it's a boring waste of time and there are literally INFINITE new levels.
unless you're playing ironman. don't play ironman

one exception: if you get a "special" level feeling, there's an artifact somewhere and it might be worth your time to full-clear the level

remember though: any artifacts/uniques you leave behind can spawn again in future levels, unless you kill the unique/identify the artifact
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>>147433873
I found nexus hounds one day near the dragon mountains in 5.0.0
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>>147437706
mpa-pcb has randart stones of lore keep the ID property
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>>147433873
I think it was removed. You'll have to kill hydras.
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That was easy, thank you 10d10 fist.
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>>147437434
>>147438135
Talking about special feelings; yesterday I got one in a level, but there was no artifact or special loot on the whole place, and I used magic mapping on the whole level, so I was pretty sure there was nothing.
Well, there was a unique monster in a room, but that's it. So I guess it doesn't guarantee an artifact.
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>>147438596
fug
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>>147438651
i believe you can also get special feeling for greater vaults now, and if you're playing a monster race you get a special feeling if your racial boss is on the level
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>2 roxanne
yay
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>tfw you fuck it all up
I think I'm going to go play some easy games for a little while.
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>>147438651
It's possible it was some junk item like a filthy rag or broken dagger that you ignored.

>>147438851
>i believe you can also get special feeling for greater vaults now
If greater vaults are the ones with permawalls, I've had some that weren't special.
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>>147438902
>Whip of +8 dex
>26 dex total
>wearing a QDA
>11 EV
fucking HOW
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>>147438902
I've figured that the exclusion refers to Roxanne and her name still shows up aside from that as would any other unique's or whatever annotation.
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>>147418230
>sif reworked in crawl trunk
- channel is gone
- at 1* you can cast spells at 0 mana for FREE (no piety cost) in exchange for getting -cast for a few turns. seems pretty gr8 for mu or spriggans or anyone else who loves kiting
- at 3* you get a piety-costing mana regen spell. 3-5 mana per turn, invo-based duration
- and she gets mana for kills now in addition to training (but only 1/3 as much as vehu)
- everything else is the same
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If i leave Pakellas, will i get to keep the super-charged wand once his penance is over?
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>>147439380
>he super-charged a wand
it doesn't make it any better at wanding, it just makes it slightly more efficient for recharging
when you're worshipping the god of INFINITE FUCKING RECHARGING
supercharge rods only please
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>>147439313
http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=ff1bd0964ec39ab475a87de2779313b4afd0ef25

For those interested. It looks neat and I might ctrl-Q my current dude to try this out.
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>>147438851
What does the racial boss do? Just a special unique only that race gets?
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>>147438651
I was wondering, if the overall feeling of the level is yellow or above, is it worth to explore the floor for a while before going doen?
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>>147438902
Nice cropping, shitlord.
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>>147439726
here's an example:
the centipede racial boss is the Multihued Centipede
anyone can run into this unique but player centipedes get more out of it
when they kill him, they have 100% chance to get his unique artifact, they get permanent heroism, and they unlock the ability to reach their final evolutionary form (although that last bit is centipede-specific)
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>>147439726
Perma heroism, and some drop artifact with higher chance too
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>>147439951
>>147439975
Thanks anons!
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>>147439234
thats storm dargon armor
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>>147440521
That is the first time I've ever seen someone wear storm dargon armor. How awful.
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>>147440609
the only other armor i have is crystal plate +0, or scale mail/chainmail/ringmail and no enchant armor scrolls
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why is sack of spiders a one use item now
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>>147440854
because evo was fun so they removed fun
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They finally nerfed Fencer's Gloves.

http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=7b107d32b132f2ab9161fc1fe8f6df618713aefb
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>>147440950
Can;t have fun in roguelikes. That goes against the spirit of the genre.
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>>147440993
They also gave them +Riposte before that:
http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=2f4bd295b5e884232dcfb8373fa9124bb170a615
So now they are +0 gloves {+4 Dex, +Riposte}
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>>147441235
any other awful fucking changes to know about before i decide to replay this SHIT FUCKING GAME
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>>147441019
having fun is too much like nethack so they have to nix it
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>>147441235
Oh nice. I actually really like the change. 100% riposte on LB's sounds insane. Now if they'd just tone down alchemist and some other standarts so that they aren't free wins.

>>147441404
Yo, those gloves were busted AF. +2 gloves of +7 EV were not ok.
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>>147441235
I don't think that's a nerf. Riposting with Axes could get pretty fucking broken.
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>>147432835
The lines in black font are properties of the weapon only. The rest applies to your character.
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>>147441404
They made it so you can read/quaff items off the ground, and then removed it. For some reason.
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>>147441589
You can still read ground scrolls.
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>>147441726
Not in trunk. Just tried it.
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Another stupid question: do you get proficient with a weapon the more you use it or it's something restricted by the class you are using?
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>>147441805
Hit , to select ground tiles.
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>>147441510
Alchemist is a noob trap, anon.
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>>147440854
actually it has a 1/3 chance to unravel after each use
because crawldevs love rng
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>>147441937
Assuming you're talking pcb each class has different caps that you reach the more you use the weapon
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>>147441961
Oh I See It Now.....
Why Make It Any Different Than it Was Before Tho???
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>>147439951
do possesors and rings have a racial boss too?
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>>147442036
Ok, thanks.
>>147442042
Jaden Pls Go.
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>>147442042
Why Do You Type Like This
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>>147441937
What game?
In PCB/Nethack, you gain proficiency when you hit enemies, but you have a skill cap based on class. In PCB you have to hit enemies of a certain level to train skills past a certain rank.
In DCSS it's based on the skill you are training.
Probably other games have this stuff too. Be more specific.
>>147441961
What the fuck canofworms/ontoclasm?
Usually I like the new DCSS tiles, but this is just so shit.
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>>147439838
STOP BULLYING ANONS!
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>>147441972
Alchemist is the the single most busted item you can wear. So is bear spirit, and that is my favorite item.
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>>147442106
Possessor, leprechaun and xorn don't.

Ring technically does but it's a serpent-tier enemy.
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>>147442215
Sorry about that. I was talking about PCB.
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>>147441937
you can see proficiency for your wielded weapon in the ~W screen (or CM), and you can see all proficencies under ~P

when you reach max proficiency for your class it will have an !

>>147442106
ring racial boss is... the only ring enemy in the game, unsurprisingly
possessors actually don't have one
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>>147442284
Bear spirit is outstanding.
Alchemist is a -2 hat that gives you rC+, rF+, MR+, and a bunch of other shit you don't really need.
On that basis alone, it is good, but I would rather wear a +2 helmet {+3 slay} assuming I had my first pip in rC+, rF+, and had rPois.
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>>147439313
Wow is there any reason to play Shithumet now.

Funny how the Veh nerfs were justified by Sif being worse, and now they're just randomly buffing the fuck out of her.
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>>147442151
How Can The Orb Be Real If The Dungeon Isn't Real?
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>titans get a 600% penalty
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>>147442189
I Don't No....Really Makes U Think Tho Huh...???
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>>147442682
They get a 225% penalty.
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>>147442821
Wait, 200% x 300% = 600%? Or am I reading this wrong?
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>>147442938
Monster race titan is 300%. With the exception of dragon realms, the subrace penalty is your exp penalty, not a multiplier.
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>Stronghold: L1
>You see a Greater Hell-Beast

I'm not entirely sure what should I do, but I'm pretty sure I shouldn't engage in combat with it, just by its name.
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>>147442468
-2 hat that gives rC/rF/rN/rElec/rPois/rCorr/rMut with a pip of MR.

rF/rC/rN are all imporant as a first pip (and later, every pip of rN is very important), with rN being the least important early. rElec is extremely nice to have since it'll stop you from burning resist pots, and rPois is very nice to have if you're still in the 3 rune portion of the game. rCorr is ok and the rMut is really nice even if it isn't necessary. MR+ is obviously good. You cover literally every single base by using your head slot on hat, when the best nonartifact head slot item is a +2 helmet of intelligence/sInv or +2 hat of MR/spirit shield. No using your ring slots of resists. No wearing a cloak of rPois over invis. You're free to wear any armour you want vs. a base item with rF. It frees every slot at the cost of -2 AC (in reality -4). Really dumb item. Bear spirit is just as dumb, but only because it gives you double MR pips and rN.
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>>147443164
>powerful healing AND summons for a 225% penalty
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>>147443210
It is a joke monster. It does no damage, but you cannot kill at low levels. (teleports, regens). If you can you get good loot (so I heard).

The lesser hell-beasts are the dangerous ones.
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>>147442821
>>147443331
Ah wait, I forgot that I had PCB patched with some anon's reduced XP modifiers.
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>>147443473
>PCB patched with some anon's reduced XP modifiers.
Link?Or is it in the other thread or something?
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>>147438118
I'VE GIVEN UP
ON TRYING
TO SELL YOU THINGS
THAT YOU AIN'T BUYING
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>>147443801
What?
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>>147443580
You'll have to check the archives. I think he uploaded a binary.
I just have the source and I don't want to set up a cross-compilation environment for PCB.
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>>147443580
I had not uploaded a copy of the 5.0 version yet but here it is: https://www.mediafire.com/?4fj8gezbig7i9ma

inb4 dolphin porn or whatever
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>>147443904
It Is A Song, Anon...
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>>147443987
But what song anon? And how is it a reference to my post?
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>>147443968
damn, i wish it was for 5.0.0
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>>147443968
>no 4.0.1 MPA version
anon pls
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>>147444143
That is the 5.0 version there, my wording was terrible.

>>147444153
Nah.
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>>147443580
if you can compile yourself it's really easy to change global xp modifiers

just go to calc_exp_factor() in birth.c and change "return exp" to "return exp*3/4" or something. Bam, now it takes 75% as much xp to level anything.
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>>147444062
I Don't Know.
And I Don't Know.
Sorry. :(
Google The Lyrics Maybe???
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I can't decide what the fuck to play for the life of me, so i'll leave it to the SingleDigit Gods (or convince me which one to play):
1) DDAr of Pakellas
2) OgWz of Gozag
3) VpWz of Gozag
4) NaTr of Gozag
5) OpTr of Gozag
6) VpNe of Yredelemnul
7) TrMo of Jyva
8) DDAr of Gozag
9) TeWz of Gozag
0) MUMO STREAM
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>>147444435
Good Luck On Your Run....
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>>147444331
That's the thing though I have no idea how to compile anything (I don't even think I can since I have Windows 32) and Google is useless for me since it assumes I know how to mess around in code when in reality I've never touched code in my life apart from changing fucking numbers.
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>>147444435
>Not playing a LB user to try out riposte
Have fun with the squid.
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>>147443451
Well, fugggg. It always teleports me when I get it to 3*. Guess I'll skip it.
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I want to use HDA's rc, but I'm not sure where to change the ready() function
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_Donald says, "I don't get the difference between high elves and deep elves."
I guess that it is ABOVE HIM
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>>147444435
>DDAr of pak
>not DDFi or DDGl
why does everyone want to play artificer when they go pak
artificer is shit

>>147444595
>not playing lb user of sif
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Welp, giving up on fun, interesting combos has given me much better results. How sad.
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>>147444331
Anon, most people here couldn't apply a patch unless it came in the form of a binary executable.
>>147444573
>I don't even think I can since I have Windows 32
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>>147444779
I got it down to *. And then I gave up as I realized I was spending wayyy to much time trying to kill it at lvl 4.
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>>147444808
that was terrible.
kill yourself
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>>147444787
what do you want to change about it
it should work by default if you just use the rc, shouldn't it
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>>147444879
It took far less effort to get here than with the summoner. Its somewhat relaxing but disappointing at the same time.

Also fucking trog won't give me a goddamn axe.
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>>147444880
Told you I'm shit with code.
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>>147444573
Don't think windows 32bit is a problem. (Unless you mean windows 3.2, that is going to be a bit of a problem yeah).
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>>147444573
>(I don't even think I can since I have Windows 32)
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>>147444808
The joke is that there is no difference.
Noldor were the high elves, and high elves were called Noldor for their deep knowing or something like that. The name Noldor is based off of gnostic iirc.
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>>147444595
>>147444561
Octopode it is then. Time to collect gold and rings or splat trying.
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>>147445060
I mean where it is

Some of HDA's stuff says you have to add a call to the function for it to work
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>>147445142
Okay I'm one of the guys who hamfist Tolkien lore into the thread from time to time but this is too far

Kindly put down the silmarillion and reflect upon your life
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>>147445086
It's 32 can you help me anon?I asked /g/ a while ago but the thread turned into shitflinging because someone said I should use Visual Studio so that was a waste of time.
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>>147445221
did you try control-f "ready"

it's literally at the top of the file
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>>147445385
I have not read the Silmarillion.
I found this when looking up the history of the word "gnome" actually (turns out it was used as an early name for the Noldor).
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>>147445573
Well that's embarassing

Thanks
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>>147445414
Just use Visual Studio if you want to compile PCB yourself.
If you want to change the code in any substantial way, start learning C.
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what's the most fun combo for a worshipper of NuSif

has anyone actually played VM since OTR was buffed and they got Alistair's
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>>147445414
I hate setting up dev environments for myself (esp in windows, most rl devs use linux, and cannot help or write outdated help (which points you in the wrong way). So im not going to be able to help you. Esp as it would just involve me telling you what to do, you misunderstanding me etc.

The only help I can give is to look at the forums for the band variant, or just angband, and see if they have help to let you compile it.

And yes, the first time will take some time, is a lot of work, but the end result will feel good.
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>>147443210
Thou must flee. Someone said its there to teach you that you cant win them all.
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>>147443904
>has MACINTOSH PLUS 420 in the tabs
>doesn't recognize the lyrics
DISGRACEFUL
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>>147445836
OTR is absolutely insane. Didn't use Alistair's at all, but it gives vertigo instead of fucking you too. I was going to try out some kind of elf for nuSif, but I wanted to try out LB first.
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>>147445414
Due to how nerds/auspies work any suggestion of a compiler (language) to use will turn into shitflinging.

It is sad. But that is how it works.

If you are ever at a comp science convention or talk, just look at people when the word 'microsoft' or 'windows' is mentioned. I expect it is the same reaction that very religious people have towards heresy.

(years ago I was at a talk by a windows programmer where a neckbeard kept interrupting him to talk about unrelated 'windows so bad' stuff. It was embarrassing).
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>>147446120
I think anon just opens a bunch of stupid tabs for giggles.
Probably doesn't even spare them a second glance.
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>>147446564
I see.
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>>147438651
you get special feeling not just for artifact on the ground, but also for uncleared vault

doesn't have to be a greater vault. some of them are non-permawall and small so you'd never realize it's a vault and not just a funky room.
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>>147446662
Most of the time I do. The vaporwave, however, was because its raining out and it makes nice background noise while I play.

Where do I go now, Spider or Shoals?
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Yugi is terrifying. I feel like the cards will kill me half the time.

>>147447636
Probably spider, unless you haven't cleared the dungeon.
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>>147447845
Also, should I keep waiting for trog to drop me a sick axe or just blow all my enchant weapon scrolls on the battleaxe?
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>meph clouded an invisible orc wizard
wow this is gonna be annoying to kill
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>>147447845
didn't yugi get nerfed into oblivion in .14?
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>dat feel of emptiness when you lose a character after hours of playing with it
>dat feel when you start a new one but your heart is not in it and everything feels shallow

how do you deal with it? how do you find the energy to keep going?
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>>147448074
>not doing pacifist runs
git gud
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>>147447636
spider
shoals is objectively the hardest
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>>147448114
I don't get the first one, so as a result I don't have to deal with the latter.
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>>147448198
>shoals
>harder than snake
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>>147448029
I'd wait on something better. Trog will provide. Are you burning through a lot of piety?

>>147448092
He has been rebalanced so many times that I really don't know how good he is. The decks provide a lot of crazy utility. He gifts on exploration now, which is a nice change since I was never a fan of sacrificing stuff. I seem to get 1 or 2 decks every full floor.
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Bets on who wins?
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>>147448237
it is though. shoals wideopeness will leave you exposed and the water delay that only typicallu affects the @ is basically a shit
shoals
snake
spider
swamp
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>>147448420
you already lost at life.
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>>147448394
>Are you burning through a lot of piety?
More than I'd like to be. Kept running into hydras in lair and I had to keep summoning dudes to crush em since I still had my basic hand axe.

Should I give it the wand?
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>>147448497
Thats a tough call. I would be reckless and do it. Sure is a handy wand for you to have.
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>>147448420
They're still at it so I'll come back tomorrow.
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>>147448497
No. Actually, read that acquirement and wish for a weapon. You need one now rather than later.
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>>147448497
never ever do a trove
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>>147448497
Fuck that dude.
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>>147448717
I still have to find a scroll of recharging and get it up to 9 if I even want to do it.
>>147448928
Never Ever?
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>>147448497
THE WAND!
THE WAND!
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>>147448869
dont do this either wish for armour trog will give you a weapon soon enough
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>>147448497
You know you want to see what's in there, anon.
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>giving bad advice (on purpose)
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Put beeswax in your ears to smith so your log isn't spammed with messages about the altar in town. Anything that reduces the number of buttons I have to press is always good.
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>>147448420
>:(
>Torso | | - - -
A-anon, are you okay?
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Welp, not a bad pickup. Imma enchant the shit outta this.

Should I start training axes again.
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>>147449252
>the smith is nowhere to be found
>L+
Did you kill them all, anon
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>>147449262
axes to min delay after fighting is at 12 and then dodging to 13 and armour to 10
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>>147449262
Absolutely. That'll be your endgame weapon unless trog starts giving you crazy artifacts.
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>>147449550
Aight
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>>147448114
When my characters die I don't feel anything. In fact when I'm getting bored I throw them into suicidal fights until they die.
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>sif on a venom mage

this is actually pretty fun

you can use the 1* ability to just kite things forever while casting OTR every 4ish turns
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>>147449347

a demon killed the smith. I did all I could, from behind him.
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>>147449676
youll never find a good enough broadaxe to use it in time. drop it for now and keep with the battleaxe
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>>147448497
Do it
Always open troves
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I'M GONNA DO IT, I'm gonna open the box.

There could be a boat in there!
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>>147450146
Don't forget to make room in your inventory before going in. Post loot when you are done.
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>>147450146
As long as you know that this is the incorrect course of action.
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>>147450261
How much room should I make?
Everything?
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>>147450146
Drop all your shit before entering so you can carry all the treasure

Keep it on a secondary stash for style. Like Temple
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>>147450146
Drop those books right now.
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>>147450146
open that FUKKEN box b*tch
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>>147450146
HAHA YES
TIME FOR DISAPPOINTMENT
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>>147450325
nothing in there will kill you. at least 15 spaces incase you get the jewelry vault
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>>147450313
I know nothing and blame you all for my failures.
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>>147450325
At the very least 10 free slots
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>>147450451
get in there you nerd
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>>147449032
I mean it is possible to get a trove with multiple /HW along with other good wands.
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>>147450451
Anon, you have no other sources of healing! Please no.


>>147450571
>It could be anything! It could even be a boat!
>>
>whip of pain from a gnoll
fulfill original goal of trying out nusif or go kiku instead?
>>
DON'T GIVE IN TO THE PEER PRESSURE
OPEN IT
IT IS THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION
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>>147450621
>Anon, you have no other sources of healing! Please no.
TOO LATE
ARMOR
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>>147450719
He did it the absolute madman
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>>147450719
>the cursed shield of +6 slaying and RF+++
jesus christ
>-tele
jesus CHRIST
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>>147450719
you got fucked ahahahahahahahahah
REALLY MAKES U THINK HUH
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>>147450719
R I N G M A I L
I
N
G

M
A
I
L
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>>147450719
THE EVIL THAT MEN DO
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I already had the shield before.
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>>147450719
>the +18 plate armor of wasted wands (RF+++, RC+++, regen, Relec,
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>>147450954
{-Tele, *Conf}
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>>147450936
>those enchantment levels
You got meme'd by the trove
But hey that hat is pretty dope at least
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>>147450936
>plate of +10 Dex and Sinv
>hat of +6 dex
It's time, anon.
become the armored Hill spriggan.
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>>147450936
Why is the hat's text green and not white?
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>Great swords and double swords are the same item, except great swords have -3 to hit and uses 2 hands
Nice.
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>>147451029
I 15 runed with *Conf, it's not that bad. The proc chance is pretty low.
Just pop !Curing if you're in a tough spot and it happens.
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>>147450936
>Dex +10

Also I hope you plan on maxing fighting with that manual
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>>147451163
He equipped it you dingus
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>>147450936
>that plate
Worth it.
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>>147451168
>"same item"
>different rarities and properties
>upset that there's a rarer improvement base item type

come now anon, is it also not fair that mithril is lighter and stronger than steel?
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>>147451168
Doubles swords are also much, much rarer.
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>>147451052
I mean, I was only wearing +1 Pearl Dragon armor so what I got out of it isn't bad, at least the heavy armor.
>>147451193
I have that and a manual of shields. Right after I get axes great for my executioners (unless trog gifts me the best broad axe in the world for that shield) fighting is going to 27
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>>147451208
but it doesn't say (worn)
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>>147450869
LIVES ON IN ALLLLLLLLLLL
THE EVILLL
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M6JpxDebokM
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>>147451371
It does, come on anon stop memeing me
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>>147451315
Maybe you'll get Arga
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>>147451371
Yes it does. It's before the various bonuses.
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>>147451168
>rare high-level item is better than a common low-level item
did u kno quickblades are better then short swords ??
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>>147451456
>>147451486
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>>147451510
Great swords are also pretty rare not counting giants or a lucky wight
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>>147451459
ahahahahaha
NO
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Someone spoonfeed me a decent name pls.
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>>147451674
>pretty rare not counting these common enemies
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>>147451663
Friendly reminder that spider can be cheesed with invisibility
Also ghost moths are invisible but they can't see invisible
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>>147451739
The Lady
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>>147451663
leave the javies unless you do like 7 in throwing. also drop any fire or slowing wands you pick up and keep at least on id'd digging wand
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>>147451739
Vaginabones
Nyaruko
Thundercunt
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>>147451804
I don't have any invis.

Also, is there any way to mark this room so I can come back to it at any time? I'm making this my official stash.
>>147451881
Don't got anything in throwing.
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>>147451897
>Thundercunt
We're making it happen.
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>>147451510
Shortswords have 1 more base damage.

>>147451296
>>147451305
I think great swords just need 1 more base damage. You usually get SOMETHING to differentiate, rather than 2 items being literally the same except for one being strictly worse.
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>>147452076
Do your best, Thundercunt.
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>>147451976
use lair 1 steps as a trove
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>>147451770
Giants only start being common when you're almost in Depths, and they're still rare on wights, wights just provide a chance for a extra OoD spawn
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>>147452301
That would require ferrying all that shit though. And I'm less comfy with it since lair steps are just open and this is a nice, tight room.
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>>147452513
this is true, but for your stash you only want items youd be coming back to anyway. its all preference though
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>>147452614
I just want the books there because. I'll make a secondary stash for general shit at lair steps and then keep that one for long-term storage. Pearl dragon armor will come in handy later.

Also, how common are Zot traps on spider? Cause I just tripped one.
>>
is "you sense you kind" a generic message when using detect jewelry as a ring or it actually means there is jewelry on a level?
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>>147451739
400% Woman.
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>>147452763
zot traps can appear in all rune branches
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>>147452076
>Thundercunt
>not Zeus demigod
ONE JOB JC
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>>147452873
Most detection spells only print a message when something actually gets detected.

You can just press ] to see a listing of all known/visible items, including any you've magically detected.
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>>147453057
Thanks.
I just want to say this, i despise orb weavers. Fucking things are so fast.
>>
Is this general strictly for rogue likes, or are rogue like likes fine too?

Because I like rogue like likes.

Wait, I'm confused.
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Can I take this fight?
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Am I missing something or are 85 power melee attacks strictly better than 70 power melee attacks? The SP to power increase ratio remains the same in all the abilities I have seen. A basic attack is 55 power, fierce stab is 15 more power for 5 more SP, and impale is 15 more power than that for 5 more SP than that. So fierce stab is always worse than impale.
>>
>>147453312
>>>/lite/ is a thing.

>>147453352
take the spiders upstairs before.
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>>147453352
He is super dangerous now that he summons demons. I'd see if you can lure him close via stair dancing and engage when he is point blank with some battle brothers.
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>>147453352
If I recall correctly they buffed his spectral weapon (already nasty enough with a demon trident) into Greater Servant of Makhleb so probably not
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>>147453590
>>147453597
>>147453504
I cleared the tarantulas, now what?

Lure him close to the entrance then swarm him with summons?
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>>147453735
Press tab
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>>147453735
woah wait jeez that's a dtrident of fucking elec

put on your relec gear before tabbing him you don't want to be gangraped by his spectral and him
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>>147453735
He can match BiA with greater demons and even if you got him alone I wouldn't be too sure you'd be able to kill him

Just avoid him and keep looking for the stairs
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>>147453883
Anon that doesn't work. I'm a hill orc, not a minotaur. Also I like living.
>>147453945
I only have one gear of rElec unless potions of resistance give it to me.
>>147453997
I'm not so certain I can stealth around him. I'll try but if I get hung up on a fate weaver i'm dead.
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Yugi is an absolute MAD MAN.

>>147454117
>I'm a hillorc, not a minotaur.
Hehehe. Either find a way down and pretend he doesn't exist or lure him to the stairs so you can get a clean fight.
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>>147454117
trust in yer benis, lad
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>>147454117
You realize a Ho^Trog using axes is only slightly weaker in general than a Mi^Trog, right?
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>>147454354
>Either find a way down
That's not looking too good either 2 of the stairs require running past where he was and the other one is in an open area with about 5 redbacks, an emperor scorpion, and some other bullshit.
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>>147454564
Its a joke, the point of 'tabbing will kill me' stands apparent from it.
>>
If you could add any items to generic_guns, what would they be?
Any weapons from the core game you'd like to see added with w.e changes are necessary?
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>>147454596
Nevermind this, remembered I have wands of digging. Just dug around the bastard.
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>>147454354
What server are you on?
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>>147453060
It is possible to change your name in game so if you have any better suggestions please share.
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>>147454861
>If you could add any items to generic_guns, what would they be?
nothing
I think you just need the pistol, the big pistol, the automatic pistol, the automatic rifle, the shotgun and the hunting rifle honestly
Can you make it so that less ammo spawns for the generic guns mod
>>
M-Mad man

>>147455016
Berotato. Always berotato.
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>>147455262
Cursed. I like that Yugi has downsides sometimes. Spices up the whole deck thing.
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>>147455262
Bless you for having the option to dump skill ups on
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>>147434105
They are considered undead at that point, yes
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>>147455430
>24
>massive damage
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>>147434541
>he remembered to post his image
This is not the ancient foul curse
>>
>>147455118
Yeah, I'm testing itemgroups now.

If you are willing to help playtest spawn rates, I can post the edits I'm working on later today.
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>>147455714
I'm free from tomorrow to the rest of the summer, as long as I don't have to compile it myself.
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>>147455615
I think anything over 20% procs massive damage. Its really amusing, since it also shows everytime I take massive damage in my dumps. You can literally see EVERYTIME I get tormented in my 15 runers.

>>147455440
NP man. I really love that option. it helps me learn how to skill without having to watch other people.
>>
>>147455814
It's just replacing a couple files in your mods/Generic_Guns folder.
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>>147455920
yeah sure then
I'll test it tomorrow
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I just did the MOST RADICAL SHIT

Fucking orb weaver trying to snipe me with some orbs in the open space.
Like a fucking action movie I dodge one and bring it all the way around full circle back into the bastard while dodging the second one he fired.

Somebody post /vr/ tan cause I need a dose of radicool.
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>>147455616
The curse is only incidental to /rlg/ being in charge of cropping.
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>>147456169
Real G's know how to do that consistently.
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>>147456471
>your mama so fat the OODs stay in her orbit
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>>147442594
now they're about even in mage-tablords minds
sif was always better after they got rid of Vehumet books
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Should I pop a scroll of blink to get this bitch?
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>>147456878
>burning a blink to get near a unique
MAXIMUM MIBE
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>>147442468
rElec is literally a requirement post lair, all the way until the orb run
rMut is amazing since they removed resist mutation amulet
>>
>>147456878
I feel antimagic would be more helpful than freezing against Roxanne
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>>147457175
>>147457034
I equipped the broadaxe of chopping and shield and let her attack a BiA first then just rushed her. Worked pretty well.
>>
What the hell are neros and why do they have all healslut abilities?
>>
>>147457092
This is not the case and you are a bad player.
>>
The fuck is a sparkwasp and why does it hurt so damn much?
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>>147457640
>The fuck is a sparkwasp
A meme.
>>
so do virtues have any other effect on the game play than interrupting my rests?
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>>147457640
sparkplugs are pain and suffering rolled up in a speed 20 burrito made of broken nails.
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>>147457776
Yes, but they don't matter.
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>>147448493
what does this even mean
everyone that plays DDA or roguelikes is a loser?
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>>147457953
>or roguelikes
Dear lord, no.
Just DDA.
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>running into Robin's band as a vampire enchanter
I can only wonder what the later game is like as a vampire. It's by far one of my least played races.
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>>147458029
Bullshit, both. Roguelikes are the way to loserdom.
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I just about shat my pants. He was camping the exit door.
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>>147456169
>The orb of destruction bounces off your shield!
>The orb of destruction hits the orb spider!
>The orb spider gets FUCKING DELETED
Holy shit i love that feel
>>
>>147458195
They aren't the way. They are the destination.
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>>147458143
Vampire lategame is alright. They have good apts and natural resists so they don't sweat about much. The whole blood thing is pretty awful if there aren't any food sources though.
>>
>>147458143
Depend which class youre playing with it, but overall late game vampires are pretty decent
>>
I just absorbed a ring and it said i gained a power of "Line of Fire" but i cannot see it anywhere. Is this a bug or i need more essences of it to get that power?
>>
>>147458597
>>147458808
Like I said, I'm playing enchanter. I've never made it beyond one rune as enchanter, though; I think my best run was a demigod that had that one robe that gives huge stealth bonuses. For all I know, you just have to confuse everything like bloody Hell in the midgame.
>>
>>147459254
It's a bug. You can't actually get that spell.
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>>147459514
Thats the idea, yeah.
>>
>>147459254
Ring spell lists are buggy.
>>
>>147457598
Ok. I mean you can win the game as a felid with practically no resists, -40% hp, and without any transmutation forms. None of the resists, even rF, are a requirement. But they increase your survivability by a ton and make it so you don't have to tediously pull enemies away one by one to kill them or avoid them like the plague.
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Is this axe good enough to pick up the shield or keep up with the executioner's?
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>>147459758
That shield is amazing
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>>147459569
FUCK.

and i was excited to have a damage spell other than stinky cloud and magic missile.
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>>147457370
I dunno mang. Some greek shit probably
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>>147459758
>rF-
Into the lava it goes.
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>this new pcb stat roller
How do I work this contraption?
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>>147459886
>>147459758
Actually I'm dumb. Really, I don't think you want -Tele. You can't just strip off a shield.
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>>147459886
Nuuuu, not da lava. Its good, it goesa witha shield.
>>
>>147459598
I can only wonder how good Tukima's Dance is beyond the animal-filled branches (e.g. the Lair), though. I used it on Blork the orc and he had a dire flail of crushing. He died in two hits from his own weapon.
>>
Perpetually missing dicku.
>>
>>147460556
Finally filtering this shitty forced meme.
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That's

really depressing actually.

I was at 40 something health when i killed the last thing, god knows how that much poison damage came in that quick.

Welp, back to the drawing board.
Was playing so safe too.
>>
>>147460664
If your health bar was yellow, you were lethally poisoned, nerd
>>
>>147460664
good think you traded your HW wand in for that sweet -tele shield

anyways you should've berserked for the +50% hp, maybe it would save you
>>
>>147460047
Get a version which made it into a straight up point-based system.
>>
>>147460664
WAND OF HW
A
N
D

O
F

H
W
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>>147460664
if only you had a wand of heal wounds

the mystery box claims another innocent life
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>>147460664
w a n d o f h w

a

n

d

o
f

h
w
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>>147460664
Don't do the 9/9 HW trove deal next time you see it.
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>>147460664
If it's any consolation you would have died even if you managed to switch to your rPois cloak
>>
>>147460753
I was expecting it to last at least long enough for me to get the other cloak on. It was like 10 turns.
>>147460805
The shield wasn't in the trove numbskull. I picked up the shield randomly.
>>147460827
Yep, and the +16 dex I got from the trove surely didn't save my ass in the spider cave multiple times.
>>
>>147460626
ALWAYS LONGING FOR COCKS
>>
Is there a download for a recent version of Cogmind floating around? I'd like to try it but 35 canadabux is too much to shell out for an alpha roguelike.
>>
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>>147460948
The extra 200 HP in healing surely would have helped.
>>
>>147460626
don't refer to my feelings like that, I actually do miss dicku.
>>
>>147460948
You also could have used Trog's hand
>>
>>147461108
Not when Asterion is pushing my shit in or when Sparkwasps are dodging all my shit.
>>147461164
I did use trog's hand, look.
>>
>>147461139
Keep it to yourself, faggot.
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>>147461139
Stay mad.
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>>147461235
respond no further
>>
>>147461235
REPEATEDLY YEARNING FOR PHALLUS
>>
>>147461235
What if this is dicks
>>
>>147461235
Just filter the word
>>
>>147461201
Don't listen to them, anon.

What is even the point of playing if you aren't going to open the mystery box?
>>
is df adventure mode playable?
>>
>>147462263
I'm not saying that the wand of HW wouldn't have helped. But I found 1 other scroll of recharging and would have burned that thing dry by spider 2. The +16 dex and +6 str helped more except in that 1 situation.
>>
>>147461201
You literally didn't do much with that dex. You gained 4 EV. You could have gotten that just by properly training your dodging!
>>
>>147460995
INSATIABLY HUNGERING FOR SPANISH PORK
>>
>>147461139
Back when he started streaming MuMo I was in a pretty dark place and might have done something I'd regret without his shenanigans to keep me feeling like I was part of something.
I recently showed some videos to my wife and she said he sounded like a good person, so even if I wouldn't have that kind of time again to enjoy his content, I'd want to tell him and thank him.
>>
>>147462670
ENDLESSLY CRAVING IBERIAN CHORIZO

>>147462903
All the MuMo hype brought the whole general together. I was glad to be a part of it.
>>
>>147451168
Well, great swords exist and double swords frequently don't.
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Get fucking shat on son
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>>147436856
>Dungeon guardians
Can someone explain to me what this is? Is it in the most recent version?
>>
>>147463637
Look man, all I'm saying is that eveningstars aren't automatically better than Gmaces or anything. Weapons need to have trade offs, even if they aren't good ones. You literally have nothing for great swords other than "they're real common." Fuck with the damage or accuracy or delay or something.
>>
>>147464001
in pcb 5.0 every dungeon (except stronghold?) has a relatively powerful thematically-related enemy guarding its entrance staircase

so if you want to e.g. get into Olympus to read ?acq, you have to get past an Elder Storm Giant
>>
>>147464187
>every dungeon (except stronghold?)
I'm pretty sure this is only high level dungeons, possibly to prevent ?acq cheesing and similar. For instance I know that orc cave, icky cave, labyrinth, and camelot are all guardian free.
>>
>>147464187
Olympus should actually be really easy unless you are barred from > without killing it. You could just run around and it can't get LOS 'cus of the mountains.
>>
>>147462415
very
>>
>>147464348
i thought orc cave had a mature gold dragon

or maybe one just happened to spawn by the > for me
>>
>>147464912
That would be an absolutely ridiculous design decision, plus given that my last few games in 5.0 I've seen no one by the entrance I'd say that was shit luck for you.
>>
fuck, how do i find entrance to dungeon of angband? I go to the place but i cannot find the fucking entrance anywhere.

>>147464912
that was probably a dragon that strayed from the mountains
>>
>>147464912
nah dragons just spawn near most mountains in the overworld
>>
>>147465075
>fuck, how do i find entrance to dungeon of angband? I go to the place but i cannot find the fucking entrance anywhere.
Check your 'M'ap, sometimes it doesn't spawn immediately on the world tile you set down on and you have to continue on a bit in the same direction you approached the world tile from. If necessary go back into the overmap, walk off, then walk back on the tile preferably from a cardinal direction while continuing to check your wider map.
>>
>>147465075
Go back to overworld map.
Walk one tile away then walk onto the > and go to local map.
Press M.
If you don't see the purple >, repeat.
>>
What's the best item to supercharge with Pakellas?
>>
>>147466106
box of beasts
>>
>>147466106
ROD OF IRON
>>
>>147466106
+9 vamp battleaxe
>>
>>147466106
Sack of memers
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>>147450936
>+1 PDA
Yeah okay that's it, everybody go home, this guy made the right choice
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Jesus Christ how horrifying
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>>147467480
>they know
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>>147467480
inb4
>the lich summons a demon!
>the cacodemon casts dig!
>>
>>147467729
Stone walls.
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>>147467031
I already had the pearl dragon armor before that, I found the hide on like dungeon 2 or 3.
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>>147468005
if it's stone then how the fuck is the player meant to get in there?
>>
>>147466281
>>147466293
>>147466583
>>147466818
for real, though, is using it on a HW wand as good as it seems it would be? I literally just installed 0.18
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>>147468195
high-power LRD or shatter
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>>147468593
it's better to use it on a rod
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>>147468170
well you fucked up
>>147468593
fuck no
rod of iron
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>>147468593
for real, though, there was a bug for a while where it would multiply the bonus on a weapon by 9

but it was fixed obviously because it was fun and for no other reasons
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just vanquished the lair. should i go into any of the sub-branches or back to main dungeon?
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What's some good shit to have Pak overcharge for me? I'll be switching to another god right after, and dumping whatever it is I OC so he doesn't drain its max charge. I figure a rod, right? I mean, recharge scrolls are usually the limiting factor on wand charges, so a one-time increase even on something like a wand of healing seems like a waste. I got lucky in the labyrinth and got a bunch of rods: inaccuracy, iron shot, shadows, cloud. Playing a hybrid human, not specialized at all.
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>>147469583
Do dungeon for a bit, then branches
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>>147468593
using your one-time ability to get slightly more wand charges while worshipping the god of INFINITE WAND CHARGES is pretty stupid
it doesn't increase wand power, just capacity
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>>147469715
okay, cool. should i be leveling str or dex? also is there any in-game way to see how significantly a piece of armor affects my accuracy?
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>>147467480
>meme_mail_defense_force
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>>147464040
Dswords are "best weapon in the game tier" and if you find one you should use it
Great swords are "good enough tier" and when you find one its going to be better than any other sword you've found
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>>147469807
no, crawldevs are allergic to telling users actual numbers
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>>147469807
DEX until 20, then STR.
The ones with more ER hurt your accuracy more.
More STR and Armour skill reduce that penalty. It can't be eliminated with any reasonable amount of STR.
The formula is too complicated to worry about.
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>>147469891
isn't it open source? i saw some big formulas on the wiki but my autism isn't strong enough to bother with that
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>>147469583
>mfw you are about to get assguttered by dozens of giant-thrown boulders but then they're just plants because it's DCSS
every time
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>>147469891
i still can't believe they actually put mindelay in the item descriptions
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>>147470000
yes it's open source

you can look at wiki or sourcecode for numbers

but when you're actually in-game they use a ton of bars instead of solid numbers for representing shit like spellpower, stealth, MR, monster AC/EV.

hell, you can't even see how much damage you're doing
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>>147468170
You are literally an idiot. The PDA and /HW would have carried you to the endgame.
>>147468593
ROD
OF
IRON
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>>147448468
Shoals is generally pretty easy for casters, buddy. Most casters love wide openness and love monsters that have few resists, like in shoals.
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>>147470390
doing shoals as a caster is like the polar opposite of doing snake as a stabber

holy FUCK is sInv fucking annoying
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>>147461065
There is.
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>>147470390
haha funny joke
enjoy getting two-shotted by any monster in that entire branch if you slip up
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Weird, seems like a completely disconnected section of map. Never seen that before.
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>>147470252
PDA belongs in the trash.
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>>147471695
Has it been nerfed?
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>>147471142
i think you are talking about snake, friend
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what the FUCK
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>>147472240
>it breeds explosively
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pretty good galadriel replacement
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>>147471517
yeah I've seen it. sometimes it connects via a staircase on a different floor.
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>>147472240
that's a lot of dogs
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>>147472240
yall mothafuckers just woke up a dragon room

better than that anon mage who died teleporting into a room full of a fucking billion hell wyrms
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>>147469852
so i should switch up??
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>>147472407
>>147472240
How bad could it really be though??
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>>147474220
the biggest problem is there will be a lot of loot for him to sort out, I expect
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>>147455992
Generic Guns with adjusted spawn rates:
http://www117.zippyshare.com/v/dfEyZe39/file.html

This will only work in an experimental older than this commit: https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/commit/166c0a285a770ee3fa253d25b50a37a954c39882 (03/07 0030 UT) or if you build from master.

Currently it simply ~halves the stack size of ammo which spawns while using Generic_Guns. There is some futzing with item spawning proportions too, but the change there is not as major.

Instructions for install:
1) Delete your mods/Generic_Guns directory.
2) Unzip in your mods directory.
Should work as easy as that if you are playing on the right version.

Things which would be helpful to know:
>what ammo spawns too (in)frequently and where that ammo shows up if possible (i.e. Zombie Cops, gun basements, shops)
>what guns show up too often
>any guns or ammo which should be blacklisted, but still show up

Thanks to anyone who gives it a try. If you have other ideas/feedback/issues about gg, those are helpful too.
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>>147474220
i would've tried to killhole them or something but Sir Gawain was around and I wan't really into the possibility of
>beckons you closer
>casts a mana bolt
>follows your teleport
while doing it, so I just recalled out
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>>147470974

Please
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>>147474110
well? i am only 10~ in maces it wouldnt be too big of a deal
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Goddamn, Ijyb was carrying this shit.
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>>147471142
Fire magic over water makes steam clouds, ice magic over water makes freezing clouds
Necromancers have plenty of space for their minions to swarm
Venom Mages don't see hardly any rPois
Earth Elementalists will probably have a tough time because they need their corridors for petrify and LRD

but the main casters will have a pretty easy time, compared to other branches.

Snake:
>rPois
>rFire+++

Spider:
>ghost moths

Swamp:
>rPois

Although I think that casters have an even easier time in swamp than they do in shoals.
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>>147474938
but you lived.
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>>147474110
>>147474742
Good maces aren't that hard too find.
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>>147475107
3 different uniques on D:2, Iiyb, Natascha, and Sigmund, ruiner of runs.
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>>147474742
i also have 9 scrolls of enchant weapon
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>>147474945
I guess most of that is true, and the lack of food in the non-Shoals branches is a pretty big deal for casters too. But since Shoals is so open, it's really easy to get surrounded and mobbed due to wandering enemies or back spawns, especially since everything has fast move speed in water while the PC generally is slowed by water. If you're low on MP and you try to retreat it could easily turn into a shit show unless you're playing carefully.
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>>147474742
pain doesn't do anything unless you have necromancy skill

but you should really get a new weapon of some kind.
base type is more important than enchantment, and a whip (even at +11) is much worse than the later options

have you seen no demonwhips/eveningstars/greatmaces?
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>take a few steps
>fall into a shaft and land right next to Shigmund
What an awesome start.
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>>147476117
to clarify: if you really don't have anything better than a whip you might as well switch for the 2sword. but it's probably not worth the xp if you can just grab a better mace-and-flail instead

>>147475246
grinder has a better kill ratio than sigmund nowadays
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>>147476123
To add on to this, there were also two adders nearby, and there was also an escape hatch a few steps away. If it was just Sigmund, I would have been fine, but the adders worn down most of my HP by the time I got back to the first floor. That's probably one of the very few times the game just plain fucked me over.
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reminder: If it's not ASCII it's not a roguelike
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>>147476117
dire flail of crushing and nothing else. i usually roll axes and even then it has been bad drops. probably just gonna switch since i am already heavy into shields
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What's the best build for a transmuter? I want to get far with them because turning into hydras and shit seems rad but I can never get them off the ground.
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>>147477463
(You)
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>>147476117
and i plan on getting necro anyway i have a ton of wiz/magic power/int gear i havent even used besides picking up and dropping
already have the necromonicon and a shit ton of other books.
i always go extended too, so sooner or later i'll find something , maybe
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>>147477794
Get Spider Form and Ice Form online ASAP, and you're golden.
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>>147477794
spam beastly appendage until you get enough contam to mutate
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>>147477926
What species should I roll? I'm assuming Makhleb is too important for you to go Demigod.
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>>147478073
You shouldn't go demigod because they are kind of weak generally.
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>>147477898
>manual of necro
oh shit
you're golden anon
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>>147478073
You can roll anything, but Nagas, Octopodes and Draconians seem to get the most benefits from transmutations.
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>>147478073
>Makhleb is too important
huh?
i mean makhleb is good because hp is good but i don't think he does anything special for transmuters that he doesn't do for other characters

demigod is a challenge race tho, don't pick them
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>>147478201
Yeah, I really don't see the point of them personally. The tradeoff of no gods for slightly better stats seems really awful from my point of view. If I wanted to do some no gods run I would just do that. If you could become a demigod of a particular god sorta like Poschengband then it would be more interesting but that's never gonna happen.
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nah demigods are just shite
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>>147478345
I think of as the fact that you're likely gonna be running around with little to no armor and taking lots of small hits that the hp bonus would help. That and okawaru and trog are much less great since you won't benefit nearly as much from their drops and those are the go-to gods for most melee.
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>>147478365
I think a few PCB ideas could be applied to Dg and maybe Hu? to make them better.
I think the feats would work well.
Level 9 and 18 for Dg, level 13 for Hu(maybe not necessary, IDK).
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>>147474348
Great, are you going to mainline that?
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>>147478575
Maybe dragon but a bit of the challenge comes from the color developing randomly.
Not that it would ever happen, DCSS devs would think that bloat.

I miss lava orcs.
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>>147478926
Choosing your colour as a draconian would be pretty bad imo.
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>>147478550
well trog is trog

but heroism and finesse possibly benefit UC more than any other weapon skill, so transmuters can have a good time with oka

if you're a cheiplayer then chei is pretty strong, since most tmuts have damage that scales strongly with your stats

ash is always fun and you can meld a cursed weapon when you transform (except with statue form)
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>>147478926
i miss djinni
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>>147478575
HUMANS GET NOTHING
NOTHING!!
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>>147479042
djinni was a pretty cool race

it's too bad that the combined hp+mp thing actually just ended up being "bigger hp bar for tablords"
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>>147474938
He can and has spawned with a 12club in the past.
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>>147479265
how can that be when the maximal enchantment is +9

artifact?
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>>147479264
and also "spam firestorm forever"

i loved cheesing the fuck out of godwrath by chilling in lava for a couple thousand turns though

DjGl fifteen runer was real fun
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>>147479181
sauce
google is telling me to check out positron emission topography
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>>147479265
>not getting blasted by him with a wand of disintegration after coming down stairs onto d:2
small time
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>>147479362
That's the max you can get through scrolls. Items can spawn with higher enchantments than that.
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>>147479538
>not falling down a shaft for 3 floors right next to the dungeon entrance, landing next to a goblin with a dagger of distort, getting first-hit abyssed, and eating a 120-damage LCS from an alich on your first turn in the abyss
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>>147479521
lana rain
lol captcha
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>>147479645
does someone have that assgutter compilation pic from a couple years back
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>>147478841
I'll push a PR after some playtesting. 50% seems right for pistol ammo and shotgun ammo, but it may not be right for a lot of stuff, especially special types of ammo.

Currently heavy rifle, AP and heavy rifle, incendiary come in stacks of 5 for example.
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Oh wow.
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I just noticed something
>Despite his reputation as a vicious murderer, his grandiose and dramatic ways have earned him the admiration of many denizens of the dungeon
So the beings of the dungeon are completely sapient? I thought the orb of zot was just mind controlling most of them which is why they don't fight despite some of the uniques being orb seekers themselves but they're apparently awake enough to recognize and interact with one another.
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>>147481285
They're sentient, they're all just assholes.

There's a vault with a bunch of hobgoblins wearing robes and with scythes in an attempt to emulate Sigmund. If they didn't remove it that is.
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>>147481285
I think a good chunk of the uniques are described as or imply themselves to be other adventurers seeking the Orb, who are trying to kill the competition.
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>ettins get to wear 2 helmets since they obviously have 2 heads
>storm trolls has 6 heads but can only wear one helmet
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>>147481489
For all I know, Robin and Donald seek the Orb. Joseph, Sonja, and Harold are sent after you for whatever reasons; sometimes Joseph mentions that he wouldn't allow you to take the Orb and that he is a guard of the dungeon.
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>>147481614
>9 headed hydras get 5 helmets
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>>147481489
Except that they don't attack or are attacked by the other monsters. And it would make more sense if at least a couple of them ran along with you then had a chance to fight you at Zot since the dungeon is a fucking dangerous place. And some might stay with you the whole entire way based on your god/race just because you could share its extreme power.
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>>147481489
>>147481636
Deepest lore.
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>>147481804
>and one amulet
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>>147481828
It gets deeper.
Urug is trying to kill you only because he thinks you're a harpy.
Edmund is in the dungeon just to build a reputation around himself like his brother.
Maud really wants that one sword.
Sonja became an assassin because kobolds aren't wanted as dancers.
Snorg eats people.
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>>147482329
>Urug
>he

Anon, I've got news for you...Urug is now a chick.
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>>147482329
Wow we are deeper than Evangelion here, what is this, the marianas trench of complex lore?
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>tfw 3 different in-progress pcb characters at level 30-40 and 1 level 50

i'm never going to actually beat this game am i

i'm just going to park all my characters during the midgame grind and go create new ones
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>>147482681
>playing races will big penalties
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>>147483096
>will
I MEANT WITH
Trying to type fast here so I can get back to my PCB game.
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Wtf, walking in PCB town. Suddenly horde of hill orcs and orc shaman beat me to death.

Later game. Suddenly 'The Shadower' appears. Beats me to death.

Town seems more deadly than the dungeons.
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>>147483096
but demigod perks are so good
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I have found the mace of faggotry. I ain't using it because I'm all unarmed, anyway.
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>>147485319
>variability
If anything it's the mace of bisexuality.
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>>147485319
>rBLM-
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>>147474110
That is the single greatest weapon I have ever seen
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>>147479042
I miss sludge elves
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Welp, I might actually complete pit sprint with this shit.
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>>147477898
>not the actual gay sex with hats on video
Weak.
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>>147481176
Just do it. If you're ever in a situation where you need to spam a shit ton of healing you're probably going to die anyway. Troves almost never let me down
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>>147487059
Where the fuck were you when I was getting lambasted for making the same decision?
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>>147486124
i miss linley
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>>147486608
hey
alt-prtscr
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>>147487347
Lurking. lmao
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>>147487653
Goddamnit
>>147487601
But then how can I get all the funny tabs anon?
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Armor realm seems surprisingly decent on these weaker dragons. 150 ac makes up for a lot of shortcomings.
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>>147487712
you haven't got them anyways
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>>147487943
Its all about the set-up anon. Having seemly normal tabs makes it funnier when I put up the stupid shit. That and most of my runs die before I get to that point.
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Goddamn, I wish spriggan had better unarmed modifiers or else they'd be great transmuters.
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>>147488375
??
this isn't dandd. size doesn't affect unarmed damage
sp's low strength means they don't get much out of dragon or statue form though
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>>147486124
What did sludge elves do that was interesting anyway? Same with MDs?
It looks like they were just aptitude-differentiated.
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>>147489395
i think he just meant their shit aptitude
its honestly not that bad
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>>147489395
They got -2 unarmed combat xp.
>>147489508
Yeah, that. But if you think -2 isn't that big a detriment then I have an idea i'm gonna play around with tomorrow.
SpTm of Chei. Go at an average speed and use Chei stats to supplement the poor strength but take advantage of their excellent dodging and transmuting aptitudes.
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>>147489746
i play a lot of melee mummies so -2 as an apt isn't that scary to me anymore

that actually sounds interesting. can't imagine slouch would be of any use but having cheistats and normal speed seems quite nice
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>>147489975
>cheistats and normal speed
Pretty sure Sp^Chei move at 1.6 or something.
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>>147489975
i thought slouch was changed to no longer be affected by your own speed
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>>147489975
Just did a couple preliminaries before the real thing.

Squishy as shit, as expected (i'm not too used to spriggan), but surprisingly competent and killing shit early on. The fact that i'm starting at 16 dex and 14 int seems like its gonna be strong as shit later on.
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>>147489746
unfortunately spiderform makes you lose your spriggan speed (it makes you 1.0 speed, so sp/ce get slower and na get faster)

idk if other full-body tmuts do the same thing or if this is a relic from when spiderform actually made you faster
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>>147490265
Just checked, base piety spriggan moves at .9 with chei.
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>>147490282
learndb is saying it's just the difference between your speed and the monster's speed
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>>147490448
You're going to be at 5*/6* for most of the game though. Which is 1.5/1.6.
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>>147490536
but cheislow is the biggest issue in earlygame when you don't have the consumables or high-piety invocations to deal with it
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I can't believe I've already found Maedhros' Main Gauche and Lawgiver.
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>both Dowan and Duvessa spawn with wands of flame
Somehow that makes them deadlier. At least I ain't a mummy.
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>>147490653
Cheislow is going to be bad for you all game with Spriggan HP.
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http://pastebin.com/XSmjGa81

>tfw tablord and win with 3 runes almost every game now

Should I try for 15s
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>>147487714
is high AC really that great?
i mean it's nice for the early on when the game's idea of a dungeon boss is "melee guy, but with more speed and damage", but it doesn't really do much against the later game "it breathes for infinity damage!" or "it summons a summoner that summons manastormers!"

although it looks like armor dragons get magic resistance which is nice. too bad they don't get retaliation
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>>147492252
Yeah of course. 3 runes is pretty babby mode. I recommend going with TSO for a 15 rune tabber, he gives you everything you need.
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Cataclysm's mapnote feature is top comfy.
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>>147492270
You get some other rare things like reflection and stun immunity eventually, but mostly high ac plus a resistance spell helps you (well, me, anyway) survive long enough for the weak dragon races to stop being so awful.

Looks stronger than several of the other choices (lore, craft, breath at least) so there's that too.
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>>147492934
Well the ones you listed ares shit so it's obviously going to look good.
>>
how is domination?
it looks extremely shit until level 25-30 when you start getting actual useful spells instead of "slow/scare/confuse monster"

should i just be a red dragon for the decent melee and pretend to be a warrior
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>>147494976
Probably, unless you want to try to do pet shenanigans with a passwall dude.
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>>147479010
I'd prefer the option to select drac color, but also give some kind of incentive for taking the RNG drac. Maybe RNG dracs evolve sooner and/or specific dracs evolve later.
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>>147479693
>solo only
What a world
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Metal barred windows are the defense layer of the future.
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>>147492518
It's pretty amazing. Very small, simple feature, but it makes life so much easier.
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>>147494976
It just looks like shit apart from the free cult of personality. What's the point even? Red dragons have one of the best melee abilities in the game why would you need allies to help you kill shit? Even if you have your followers kill stuff enjoy getting 0 exp since reds have a 250% penalty.
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right on the heel of my 1st win, my 2nd is so close now. if the cat lord doesn't kill me, I don't know what else can. crowning gifted humanoid slaying club, almost everything you fight is humanoid.
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Obscure question... in PCB does having multiple items with Absorption rune on increase mana-absorbing as a Rune-Knight?
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>>147497979
Too bad the gauche already senses orcs.
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>>147497976
I can't recall, but you should never have more than one absorption rune anyway.
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Golly gee, thanks Oka.

I'm playing a ghoul, man.
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>>147499574
>Your Skill: 0
>Ghoul
>0 Shield skill
>no investment in shields
>Gh
>shieldless Gh
>no shields
>on a Gh
?
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>>147500039
I like clawing everything to death. I think I got a decent shield left behind somewhere I could use later on.
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>>147500152
>on a gh
>with no shields
>not using shields on a gh using unarmed combat
>a decent shield left behind that i could use
>not using it now
>shields
>gh
>arrowheads
>arrowheads
>arrowheads
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>>147500152
you can use shields with UC now
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>>147500468
In fact I would attest that it is 100% optimal to train up a shield during the midgame now.
You don't need 15 Shields to use a regular shield either, even at 8 you will do fine.
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>>147500283
>arrowheads
>arrowheads
>arrowheads
i want /mu/ to leave.
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>>147500690
I left /mu/ a long time ago.
>>
This is the ghost of some asshole
It has a poisoned weapon, can cast confusion and resists all damage types that your spells and/or wands provide.
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>>147501767
C'mon crawl devs gimme that no_bones gooness.
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>>147501767
evoke your feet and then evoke the nearest staircase
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>>147502163
Nah I cheesed it with stairdancing and an electric weapon I found and gained a level
Still annoying though.
>>
I just ran into a zombie hulk. I've got a knife spear and a spraycan flamethrower. What should I do? Can I kill it?
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>>147502489
The question you should be asking is do you need to kill it?
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>>147502489
You can kill it, but it will probably kill you first.
Unless you literally rounded a corner into it you probably can and should run away.
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>>147502587
It's right in the middle of everything and I don't really have anywhere to lead it besides miles away through a forest. What I'm worried about is running out of stamina before I lose it. If I'm gonna fight it I need all the stamina I can get, likewise if I'm gonna try to lure it into the forest.

I think I'll try setting it on fire and then running away, wish me luck!
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>>147502765
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>>147502587
>>147502730
>>147502765
>>147502806
Yeah, it didn't go well. Turns out fire just bounces off Hulks. Also turns out running is kinda hard with two broken legs.

Is stamina affected by weight? Because I WAS carrying over a hundred pounds of shit with me that theoretically I could have ditched.
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>>147503218
When you are encumbered you lose stamina more quickly.
If you are very overencumbered, even walking will drain stamina.
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>>147503301
Ah, I'll remember to ditch the duffel bag when fleeing in the future. Reach attacks made me complacent about encumbrance.
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Gotta finish this 1.71 run so I can finally move over to 1.72, where everything is better!
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>>147503446
Yeah when I carry around a duffel bag for looting I always make sure to stash it until I'm sure I've cleared out the house I'm checking. Definitely ditch it if you are going to fight a god damned hulk (also don't fight hulks generally).

I wouldn't willingly engage one unless I had a bunch of molotovs, a shotgun, and some pits.
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>>147492252

Once 3 runes is 2ez, go 15 with TSO/Kiku.

Once 15 with TSO/Kiku is 2ez, try 15 with other gods.

Once 15 is generally 2ez you fuck around in Zig, beat all the sprints, do challenge runs, or move on because you beat the game.
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>>147504035
This post reeks of >100k turn count "wins."
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>>147504360
Shoo, shoo turncount goblin.
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>>147503218
>not using your flamethrower to collapse a building on the hulk
It's time to tech up your strats, bud.
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>>147504360
>caring about turn count
>ever
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>wooden barrel of single malt whiskey (2800)
>(2800)
>2 8 0 0
>Two thousand eight hundred drinks worth of whiskey
Now if only I had some way to actually carry this back to my loot shack.
>>
>>147504360
This post reeks of sub 1% "winrate".
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>>147505546
Does that no longer end the game by causing perpetual lag?
>>
>>147505967

Advanced move lets you scoot it one square at a time.

It will quite literally take you months in game time however. A cart with a cargo hauler on it will do the trick however.
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>>147506943
I did that, it actually didn't take too long; it's only 6 seconds to swap it from one side of me to the other.
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Goodbye metal items.
>>
>>147507737
>Not wearing purely non-ferrous items
>Not killing shit with an unicorn horn
S
M
H

T
B
H

F
A
M
Y
>>
Guys I know nothing about rod use, which rods are the best to overcharge?
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eat shit you fucking faggot

>>147509971
the ones you use a lot
ones that will allow you to get an extra shot off with the boosted capacity if you spam all the charges at once
>>
>>147510197
I'm in early midgame and plan to abadon Pakellas for some other god, and I don't know what's useful in lategame. Got Shadows, Clouds, Scattershot and Inaccuracy.
>>
>>147510641
Shadows, clouds, and iron rod are all very good throughout the entire game. Just pick based on whether you want summon support, damage over time/area denial, or burst damage
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DEMON WIN FAGGOTS
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>>147510905
I'll try to decide, thanks.
>>
>>147511032
Good job. Now play a real roguelike roguelike.
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>>147512074
Is DDA a roguelike
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>>147512074
Look at this nowin faggot trying to put others down.
>>
>>147512341
Yes, but without a win condition.
>>
There's no point in carrying around multiple HW/Haste/TP wands if they're empty right?
>>
>>147513159
right
unless you're with 2pak
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>>147505967
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I'M DOING IT
FOR THE GOOD OF RNG
WE SHALL NOT HAVE DISAPPOINTMENT
>>
>>147479879
I thought I had it but it's just a compilation of general crawl weirdness. Can still upload that if you want.
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>>147514093
Pretty meh all things considered. I finally have a good weapon, but that -MR is BAD
The ring is wonderful, but now i wish i was an octopode
Not pictured, a BoB and a sack of spiders
>>
>>147514154
crawl fuckery is always entertaining, sure
>>
>>147505967
So, how much is a drink of whiskey in DDA anyways? Just a shot?
>>
>>147514517
https://www.mediafire.com/?retacradx1lw7r4

Too huge to upload to here or any regular imagehosts I'm immediately aware of (as well as ./hr/).
>>
>>147514618
0.5 liters is 14 units.
>>
Believe it.
>>
>>147514970
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shields
>>
>>147515098
>memes
>>
>>147515332
one day
you maymay
>>
in PCB, can any character ride on a horse if they capture it in a pokeball? Which means the only advantage of Cavalry is the ability to quick-tame with rodeo?

CAN YOU RIDE THE DRAGONS?
>>
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/17543
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/17542
This shit will never end. How many professions there must be? What is the point of this? I understand its for roleplayers but holy shit, most of them are just words with no ingame impact.
Bloat professions to a mod, NAU!
>>
give me a race+class+god combo

ive been staring at the screen for 10 minutes now
>>
>>147516891
MuCK of Xom
>>
>>147516980
it begins
>>
>xom gives me 13 stones

wow thanks
>>
>>147470009
kek
>>
i almost got wiped the fuck out by a triple sword of distortion and an eveningstar of holy wrath as Ds in elf:2 holy shit
>>
>>147487714

>very harmonious
what does that even mean
>>
Is that dancing god any good? Kind of tempted to try it out
>>
>>147515998
Cavalry has the advantage of being able to master riding.

Yes, you can ride dragons, though the endgame ones tend to have auras which will hurt you when you ride it. They are pretty good before that.
>>
>>147518551
To be honest, mate, everything is "pretty good" before the endgame
>>
Haven't played DDA in a while, is it still best to just grab the latest experimental, or have they put so much bloat in it I should grab an older build? Hoping the dildon'ts mod still works.
>>
>>147518704
I think the lastest works ok, they fixed some annoying bugs
>>
>>147518704

Hope you enjoy cleaning
>>
>>147487515
No you don't
>>147489469
Most of the races in the game are aptitude differentiated.
Compare: Hu/HE/DE
>>
>>147518825
Cool.

>>147518876
Yeah, just read through the 50 comment post on the github. I honestly can't understand how somebody can think taking off filthy clothes to keep morale up is "an exploit". And the coolthulhu guy is actually talking about reducing tedium or adding meaningful challenge, and you have brilliant posts like "I think the dildos and fursuits are good additions! It's the 5 underwear types that should be taken out!"

No wonder there hasn't been a stable release for 16 months.
>>
>>147518659
True, though ancient multi-hued dragons are a notable mount.

Really the problem with dragons later on is that mounts tend to die quickly without rBase, and the dragons that have lots of resists tend to have lots of auras.
>>
>>147510641
Inaccuracy was GOAT the last time I played.
>>147519110
This is the problem with pandering to furries, even as a joke to antagonize us.
>>
>>147514658
>yeah
>um
>yeah, that's a gloorx vloq
LMAO
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woops
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>>147514658
oh god this almost makes me miss the days when the 1984 pasta was posted every single thread
>>
>>147520843
Great screenshot, screenshot master
>>
>>147520843
hey

prtscr
>>
>>147520843
>transforms into a juggernaut
>still has the same spells
Does that seem weird to anyone else?
>>
>>147521190
No
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>>147521190
poly just changes their hd and everything except spell list
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>lava ending
This might not be too bad, although these fourth floors are usually a painful slogging.
>>
>>147507737
>all those R's

oh my fuck
>>
>>147481176
>>147487059
A trove recently asked me for all my piety.

I was Ash, so I just called it a loss.
>>
>>147510197
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQzNZR-LXZc

FUCK WHERE YOU'RE FROM
>>
Is the Android Rune Knight pasta still good? I can't seem to get the ball rolling early game.
>>
>>147515998
i think cavalry get a bonus to lance damage dice while riding

they're also just *better* at the riding skill, like how warriors are better at dual-wielding than mages are
>>
>>147518704
they added mandatory laundry-cleaning
>>
>>147528305
did you see the recent PR where they introduced you needing to cut your nails every month, and cutting your hair every year or get morale penalties? And penalties for sleeping in your clothes (do it to often and the become dirty).
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The old hide-in-the-wall-while-chugging-forty-cure-critical-wounds tactic.
>>
>play crawl for years
>can't get into any real roguelike now because learning curve
>>
>>147527558
4.2 really nerfed it with the price changes.
>>
>>147529290
That would explain it then.
>>
WE ARE THE DEAD
>>
>>147530219
now this is shitposting
>>
It was nice knowing you /rlg/
>>
Scarce heard amid the shitposts below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
In /rlg/.
>>
>>147530625
Is this some sort of complex way of saying we are reaching the end of the thread lifespan and a new one should be created?

Why you hef to be dramatic /rlg/?
>>
>>147530820
Take up our quarrel with the foe
To you, from failing hands, we throw
The thread: be yours to hold it high
If ye break faith with us who die,
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In /rlg/.
>>
So what happens if a Jiyva-worshipper abandons it and then proceeds to kill the Royal Jelly? Do they avoid punishment for abandonment since Jiyva stops existing?
>>
>>147530820
>hef
>>
>>147531023
>>147531023
>>147531023

nuthread, now with realistic dildo laundering
>>
>>147531043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A
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>>147518704
>dildon'ts mod
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