/K S P G/ [REDACTED]

Fuck, was supposed to be "Building rockets with an xbox controller" edition.

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>Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSyjKmiqoKk

>Dev Stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhVA84YNO14

>FAQ
http://pastebin.com/11ESnTdE

>Game site
http://kerbalspaceprogram.com/
http://dontdothisto.me/Games/iamabadperson/

>KSP mods
https://www.dropbox.com/s/atzhizfw7pxjdoa/RLA_ProbeParts.zip?dl=0 (RLA probe parts, /kspg/ exclusive)
http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/50701-c (forum mod list)
http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/forum/4-add-ons/ (mod subforums)
http://spacedock.info/ (community mod repository)

>Flags
http://imgur.com/a/lIHNS#0

>Party-approved rendezvous and docking tutorials
http://imgur.com/a/S3Qxf
http://i.imgur.com/PBuWyVx.jpg (embed)

>Some useful calculators
http://ksp.olex.biz/ (phase angle calculator, for planning trips to other planets)
http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/87463-1 (deltaV map)

>Official forum
http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/

>Hotkeys for operating your craft that are never mentioned anywhere else.
http://pastebin.com/vLmE1QbY (embed)
http://i.imgur.com/dJQEXBX.png (embed)

>Official /kspg/ fan fiction
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10607988/1/Structural-Failure
http://pastebin.com/HK7Qd6if (embed)

>List of IRL launches.
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/tracking/index.html

>View from the ISS:
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/HDEV/

>Race Into Space
http://www.raceintospace.org

>Original BARIS for DOSBox scaling and filters and shit
http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/183/Buzz+Aldrins+Race+into+Space.html

BARIS, Orbiter, Space Engine, OpenTTD, Take On Mars, Project CARS, ULA posting, Aurora, and planes are also welcome ITT.

kspg.sytes.net

NOTE: "kerbal" anywhere in the OP as well as "kspg" in the subject cause the thread to autosage. Please use [REDACTED] in place of these terms when making a new thread.

/kspg/ sucks

>>147327543
whats with this REDACTED bullshit anyway?

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>>147327718
Why are you posting with us?

We're just a group of friends everyone seems to want to fuck up. Yet we perservere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c59gwIv-alU

>>147327734
read the bottom of the 2nd OP

>>147327734
>whats with this REDACTED bullshit anyway?
>NOTE: "kerbal" anywhere in the OP as well as "kspg" in the subject cause the thread to autosage. Please use [REDACTED] in place of these terms when making a new thread.

>>147327780
>Why are you posting with us?
because i've been here too long.
i just don't enjoy it anymore.
but i have to see it out until the end

>>147327780
*persevere
how embarrassing

>>147327865
>until the end
So you want us to end as a general so you can have a sense of completeness? Are you also the guy who thinks life is inherently bad because he has a bad life?

>>147327921
>So you want us to end as a general so you can have a sense of completeness?
yes.
but before you get out the torches at pitchforks, I wouldn't get that sense if I actively worked to kill the general, so i don't do that.
>Are you also the guy who thinks life is inherently bad because he has a bad life?
no. i have a relatively good life, all considered.

Reminder to report this thread because MAN has abused his Thread-making privileges.

Better thread over here:
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egg

>>147328116
No one cares about your crusade, faggot.

>>147328116
>better thread
>less posts, identical OP save for a slight tagline and OP image, two irrelevant things.

You are worse than man.

The general /vg/ rule is to use the first thread made, and this thread doesn't go into full LE ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS.png, so you can fuck off.

>>147328161
>says the guy with the crusade.
that's rich.

>>147328116
So the antimanners reject the blanket amnesty

good to know which anons refuse to love each other

BLANKET AMNESTY IS REAL

>>147328117
No, this is not >>>/vg/egg, but it's pretty close.

OP of other thread here. Just wanted to say that I'm not the one shilling for it. This thread was made a little quicker so I'm fine with it.

Real thread, migrate.
>>147327656
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>>147328185
It's the resources, because they finally figured out resources are a metaphor for our stolen investments.

>>147328116
>>147328308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmsRN78qMxM

>>147328315
just think, kspg, is the guy who posts this kind of shit really the guy you want making our threads?

Correct thread.

>>147328403
I'd prefer it to the fucking autist who gets so triggered by it that he keeps bumping 10 different alternative threads.

Just fuck off. You're even worse than MAN, and I'd give good money to get MAN alone in a bathroom with a chainsaw.

>>147328386
Epilepsy is not the same as autism, you shitlord.

>>147328403
Nobody cares about your personal crusade. Fuck off.

>>147328403
Better than making dupes and inviting mod and getting more autosage filters added to our OP

You dick.

>>147328465
>I'd give good money to get MAN alone in a bathroom with a chainsaw.
Obligatory notice: I would give no money to get MAN alone in a bathroom and I am not a licensed Chainsaw operator. Please do not attempt to convey any of those things unto me.

>>147328520
no kspg > kspg with MANthreads

>>147328565
Just think, /kspg/, is the guy who posts this kind of shit really the guy you want making our threads?

>>147328565
I concur, but only because the ideal world involves no /kspg/
and no KSP

>>147328565
And why is it that we all need to shape our worlds around your desires?

>>147328675
He has Autism (that means he's smarter than you) and is a very special little snowflake.

>>147328616
Absolutely not. Now lets get to shitposting. JUNO WHEN REEEE

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>>147328835
FUCKING NEVER

>>147328835
I'm personally waiting to see if Russia is going to make any more announcements regarding their interplanetary complex. There was supposedly a chance for a news release about it this summer.

>Maxmaps sitting in his shitty Mexican basement apartment spamming the report button

>>147329037
Last I remember they built the whole thing to the wrong specifications.

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>tfw you will never see potential again like you did in Bac9

>>147329141
What?

They haven't even started work on it yet. The only thing we know for sure is that they intend to salvage the Russian parts of the ISS to build it.

Unless, I missed something somewhere, or you're Squadmeming.

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mexico pokemon
it was made in spanish, i forget if it's spanish or mexican though

>>147329259
I'm thinking of the new complex they built in the far east (?) -- didn't know there was another project.

But I did see that Russia wrote into their ISS agreement that all the tech they send up there can be repurposed for their own stuff. That's why we have to supply their stuff too for redundancy Though I spose life support is a good thing to keep redundant.

Russia's a third world country. I look forward to getting their garbage off our station tbqh.

>>147327780
what the fuck, janitor stamped the wordtags "ksp" and "kerbal" with autosage ?? thats some serious censoring shit here

I think what the issue is that you can still tell that MAN made the thread, in addition it was painfully obvious that he started spamming the end of the last thread to make his own.
I'm not shilling and I'm sure I'm going to be called Max or angry anon or any other number of MAN's half-baked insults but I mean really, we're not stupid.

Also remember:
DON'T REPLY

>>147329436
>he started spamming the end of the last thread to make his own.
Hardly. That was me.

>>147329436
>>147329503
Thank you. Can we not have the beginning of every thread be filled with politics?

Let's shitpost. Men don't need women to be happy. Prove me wrong.

>>147329584
>Prove me wrong
How can I prove reality wrong?
This is too post-modern for me.

>>147329616
Enjoy getting dragged around by your dick for the rest of your life.

>>147329393
Yes, MAN managed to schizo so hard that we are autosaged by the mods. He got really butthurt when his OPs got removed and started spamming conspiracy theories about how the whole general is against him. The mods noticed and posted that we need to not have intra-general drama and added us to the filter.

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>>147329680

>>147329375
They proposed that they're going to build an orbital factory. Apparently they want to use it for stuff like building crewed Mars spacecraft.

>>147329675
No, I'm saying you're right, and therefore I cannot prove you wrong.

>>147329680
Hardly.

Yuri made a thread. It died, then MAN made a thread. About an hour later Anti-MANposter made a thread because he didn't like the MANthread. He used that stupid OP picture with the rocket that has no liquid fuel engine and two SRBs. That was the duplicate thread that caused the shitstorm.

MAN is a prick, but he is also innocent when it comes to the filter.

>>147329680
>all this revisionism
:^)

Did MAN also kill your dog, flirt with your sister, Marry your mom and fuck your dad? Did he kill Jesus on the cross and put uranium in baby food?

Challenger?
All MAN :^)

>>147329857
he just wants us filling the top of the thread with thread politics

>>147329680
>giving MAN this much credit

I'm not sure who's more paranoid at this point.

>>147329770
I like it in concept, but I imagine the implementation will be horrific. Remember when they tried docking to Mir manually because they cut the autopilot funding?

>>147329965
Let's just stop. His only legitmacy comes from propagating this drama. Let's just move on.

>>147329857
What was the talk about someone going to the mod irc about the thread duplication? I know there was talk that MAN did it when his thread got deleted.

>>147330151
:^)

No one gives a shit about whatever bullshit you're trying to force down our throats we've all watched the activity crescendo as the console news came out and we are now

THOROUGHLY INOCULATED AGAINST YOUR BULLSHIT

>>147330053
>I like it in concept, but I imagine the implementation will be horrific.

I'm definitely of the same opinion. I can't help but watch, though. Plus, it's kind of fascinating to see how a country like Russia is going to try to jury-rig together a functional space factory.

>>147330151
There is little strong evidence that it happened.

Everyone from MAN to catfucker to Maxmaps has been accused of it yet nobody has managed to substantiate it.

>>147330259
>>147330260
>09:39:53

T I M I N G

Reminder the only ones who have rejected Blanket Amnesty are the antiMANners

>>147330260
perhaps someone introduced the idea to poison the general

>>147330260
Okay but watching MAN post stuff like >>147330234 really convinces me that he did.

>>147330354
>It's true because I don't like them

>>147330354
We heard you the first time. And the second. And the 89th. Now it's beginning to sound like static.

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5602601a3448c

I've seen this pattern before. He waits until activity is down, keeps bumping his thread, and when it is quiet the main thread 404s and his stays alive.

Or both 404 and his is up 25 seconds after the deletion.

It's about to happen.

Maybe calling him out will stop it from happening this time.

POUST SPESS

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>>147330716
HULLO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0ul-BghOAs

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>>147330716
sea dragon when

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>>147331049
Too efficient. Goes in the same pile as Orion and space elevators. The future is about farming crops and fighting back the dust, not going to space, Murph.

anyone have the cleaner version of this ship?

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I love space.

>>147331059
>mad

lolno. It's kind of sad watching you spam. Should just report all your posts and the thread you keep trying to keep bumped.

>>147331346
>hexagon at the top
what does it mean?

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It is so much more than we will ever be.

>>147331405
I dont think we entirely know. My uneducated understanding is the rotation of the planet or materials on it or in its atmosphere has a geometric effect of some sort.

I also expect magnetism is involved. kinda seems like a polarity thing.

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>>147331137
Got your back, anon.

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>>147331546
Thanks qt.

>>147331405
My understanding is that the current hypothesis holds that there is a steep, consistent decrease in wind speeds based on latitude, which results in the hexagon forming.

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Just for the record, this isn't me trying to image spam, just a nice little palate cleanser. Only posting best of the best, I promise.

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>you will never be a soviet scientist working on a Venera mission in the 70s

>>147331405
illurmunati confirmed

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>you will never surf the rings of saturn

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Anyone else barbecuing for the 4th?

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I think my friend will kill himself soon. wat do?

Thread 404 wen?

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>>147330602
If he's bumping it means he's also either R-ing this thread or contacting his buddies through another route.

It preys on ignorance. My posts like the one you are reading right now are annoying but necessary. I would like for this drama to be over, but I will not be told what thread to post in by a custodian.

/kspg/ 2016 is strong.

>>147332605
>my posts are necessary.
>Being this delusional.

/kspg/ 2016 would be better without you.
Go spam the fourms, at least they don't all realize how much bullshit you're full of yet.

>>147332715
This tbqh. I'm sick of this drama and it all revolves around MAN. MAN leaves -> No more drama

>>147332715
So, just for the record, you do not agree with the Blanket Amnesty accord?

Tell us why.

>>147332791
Nice samefag.

>>147332791
Sure, but does that justify spamming a new thread and giving him more attention? Just ignore him and post like normal.

Don't reply

>>147332957
It's not about comfy, it's about control

>>147332960

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So do you guys not want me to post these spess pics or what because I have some new rants I'd love to post if you guys are gonna shit up the thread with your crusade

>>147332957
No, it doesn't. But I'm sick of watching it happen every time making a new thread rolls around. This is something like the fourth time in a row.
MAN's autism doesn't allow him to stop making threads no matter how many times this happens because he doesn't seem to learn. That's what caused the autosage and it's what's sucking the life out of /kspg/.

>>147333182
We get it, you feel guilty about bringing the mods here with your duplicate threads and report spamming and want to revise The Truth to make it MAN's fault.

>>147333182
Anon, I was there when the Autosage was set. MAN had little or nothing to do with it. The guy posting threads because he doesn't like MAN is certainly far more to blame.

manhaters don't have memes
manhaters add nothing

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The Solution

>>147333442
You also created the general name string for no reason, which created a pretext for mods to get angry at us and begin sanitizing threads, all right in the lead up to console releases.

>>147333442
What's your opinion on the Blanket Amnesty solution? Would you prefer to hate and prefer we all hate in alignment with you?

Reminder don't reply

>>147333542
*console release date announcement

>>147333617
There's your answer
>>147333698

>>147333442
>paradign
hullo yurop aren't you sleepy yet?

He's still bumping his thread don't let your guard down we need more spess

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>>147333868
More spess, you say?

>>147332329
Save money for the funeral.

Yada Yada Yada flockmod
Yada Yada room /kspg/
Yada Yada No MAN allowed.

>>147333442
What is this, janny's rights GUI ?

>>147334089
fuckoff kerbalisfun

>>147332329
Broach the matter directly with him.

>>147334209
And make it clear you're reaching out not only because you care about him and want him to be in a good place, but because you yourself need to reach out and talk to someone (even if this is not true, if he feels like he is being a burden, he will try harder to hide his feelings from you)

>>147334292
If you get the impression that he is a risk to himself, you need to act pretty quickly. While it might seem like a betrayal, calling 911 might be the best bet, depending on how unstable the individual is.

>>147334409
>calling 911
A guy was having bad thoughts and laying in his dorm bed with a knife. Cops walked in and shot him in the chest. Don't call 911, it's the lazy approach. That will be the worst thing to do for him.

If you know he's making an attempt or has said he is making an attempt, then call, but you can't jump right from "he sounds sad" to "I'm calling the authorities," unless you definitely want to lose a friend.

Talk to him in person. Take him to the movies. Get him out of his head. Best thing you can do for someone in that position. Don't wait until its too late. He'll always remember you pulled him back from the brink.

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Can we please just post spess and complain about squad

>>147334575
>Don't call 911, it's the lazy approach.

What?

The fact is, none of us are doctors. We don't have the needed expertise to properly help somebody with a mental illness. I'm not saying call 911 because he sounds sad, I'm saying that if you seriously think this person is at risk of harming themselves, you need to intervene. If that's physically, sure, I guess go for it. But calling the Police or Paramedics is also an option.

>>147334160
It looks like my appchanx and I think you guys are memeing yourselves :^)

>>147334209
>>147334292
>>147334409
He's one of my closest friends. A few weeks ago he tried an hero with a knife but couldn't reach arteries. Now he's breddy bad again, talking about it to other people and not replying to me because he knows I will somehow drag him back somehow.

>>147334575
>be american
>try to sudoku
>get shot
:DDD

>>147333442
It's a bit outdated though

>>147335423
>not replying to me
What kinds of messages are you sending? How far is he from you geographically?

>>147335305
>he hates /kspg/
>yet he posts here

Hi Max

>>147335423
And none of those people have intervened? Christ.

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>>147336128
I'm a little suspicious. Something isn't adding up here.

>>147335713
"aaa", lel. But that's how we shitpost. Someone says aaa, other says aaa and it goes like that for a while and we start actually talking. My dorm is breddy close and we ocassionally drink together. But now I'm home for a week.

>>147336128
They're not close enough to "reach" and message me to "reach" myself. I think he just wants to talk so he doesn't keep it inside, but not with me because he also wants to actually sudoku.

He's drinking in the bar now.

>>147336246
Is this your photo? Trapezium is overexposed, fuck with curves more or take another shot underexposed and combine them together. :^)

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WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY PORTING THIS TO CONSOLE. WHAT THE FUCK. HOW DO YOU EVEN PLAY WITH A FUCKING CONTROLLER? GODDAMN THESE FUCKING SCAMMERS FIX YOUR PIECE OF SHIT BROKEN GAME FIRST REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>147336745
not me, but I fully endorse this post.

just getting this in before all you faggots come out of the woodwork

>2016
>still can't put a kerbal in a command chair from the editor

>>147336881
Get a trip if you are so offended by people calling you out

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>fairings have costs in sandbox mode
>ships have costs in sandbox mode
>"This Facility is currently closed"
>Ships perform differently based on the level of experience kerbals have
>Stupidity and courage still mean nothing
>Tier 1 is unusably bad
>Harv jumped ship
>Radio silence on multiplayer until after console release

>>147337223
>Ships perform differently based on the level of experience kerbals have
How is this wrong, exactly?

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>>147337025
I'm not offended, I'm just well aware of the pattern here. Whenever we regroup and find a voice for our hatred for Squad, people show up doing everything they can to distract from the group reaching squad-hate critical mass and having that proliferate to the rest of the fanbase, like the dozens of other times that has happened.

So, I thought I'd cut off the detour to MAN ad-hominems by getting it in early. Also
>stop tripfagging
>get a trip so I can filter you
I've been told to do all the things. I am only one man. Now please, back to the matter at hand.

>>147337381
Some of us invested in Kerbal before it was trying to become the WoW of space sims.

>>147337381
Imagine that you and I decide to take turns driving your Honda Civic.

I drive it, and the car performs as it should, taking corners like a car of it's sort would, and showing a typical braking distance.

Then, you get into it. You've driven cars for far longer than I have, so when you drive the car, it performs better, has a smaller turning circle, and a short braking distance than it did when I drove it mere minutes before.

>>147337710
I love you for finally putting words to what I've hated squad for for so long

>conflation of meanings to make them appear to overlap or connect. it's like the antiCHIM

>>147337558
>Some of us invested in Kerbal before it was trying to become the WoW of space sims.

Thank you for your valuable opinion, let me know when you can answer with something actually relevant to the question being asked

>>147337710
Are we seriously comparing video games to real life now?
Because literally every game with even the most basic experience system locks you out of certain features unless you reach a certain level.
Arcade racing: you can't drive powerful cars, you can't use the nitro or access certain areas until you are famous/rich/wanted/badass/respected/experienced enough.
Soccer: you can't play against famous teams because they know how to dribble and you don't until you get enough experience.
Literally any RPG: your weapon does X damage, but when you get more experience, it makes 2X damage even though it's the same weapon.
Should I go on or do you want to keep making stupid comparisons?

In the case of KSP, ships don't perform differently, the engines still get the same thrust and Isp, you still get the same amount of electricity or the same amount of reaction torque, you are just locked out of certain features like being able to aim prograde/normal/radial or resetting experiments until the damn kerbal gets enough experience.

Is the way experience is earned retarded? Yes.
Is it stupid that kerbals have a couple of exp levels where they don't earn new abilities? Absolutely.
But don't try to twll me that the "get exp, learn new abilities" system KSP has is not exactly like every other game

>>147337558
FUCK YOU SQUAD YOU SMELLY BEANERS I HOPE THE CARTELS FUCK YOU UP WORSE THAN YOU CAN POSSIBLY IMAGINE

MAXMAPS YOU ARE A FUCKING SMELLY AUTISTIC LOSER AND IF YOU HAD ANY FUCKING BRAINS YOU FAGS WOULD HAVE MOVED OUT OF YOUR SHITHOLE COUNTRY INSTEAD OF USING IT AS A FUCKING EXCUSE TO SCAM PEOPLE

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How do I stop my rocket from wobbling like a rubber dildo?
Already have a bunch of strut connectors on the joints all along the length of the rocket.
Using FAR, btw.

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>>147338558
At least we finally got him "thanked" for his "hard work" and "dedication"

imgur.com/a/XZsT3

>>147338739
We have a guide for you. I'll dig it up.

>>147338739
Install Kerbal Joint Reinforcement

>>147338739
I bet throttling down will solve all your problems.

Nice mechjeb crop btw.

>>147338739
Reduce the gimbal on the engine

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>>147339207
I don't even have it installed.
The window on the left is the [x]Science checklist.

http://the-toast.net/2016/07/01/a-note-on-the-toast/

Trump should post here

>he bumped his thread when it was 1 away from dropping off the catalog

Hey, I feel better because it means the person agitating is a genuine shill and not a misguided shitposter. A misguided shitposter wouldn't continue to hurt the general after he understood all he was doing was hurting the general. It's someone with a different reason for being here.

Hi Max. Are you enjoying watching your thread decay and bumping it?

>>147341080
Or maybe he's just doing it because he knows it makes you anally irritated beyond recovery

>>147341271
>he

>punishes the general
>and all of /vg/
>to irritate one poster

>>147341498
>Bumps a thread
>Has fun while doing it because he already knows what happens afterwards
>Doesn't give a shit about the rest of vg because who does
Meanwhile
>Keeps tabs open on every iteration of the thread
>Gets super anally frustrated when he bumps another thread to the point of writing full posts filled with butthurt and conspiracies
>Has to tell everyone how this is hurting the whole board so his anal devastation seems more plausible.

Heh..guess who is having the best time here

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My top tier space pics collection is running low can anyone help me out

>>147341080
Giving him attention won't help. Just focus on this thread, and let him stay contained in his private thread.

>>147341947
Good point. Will do.

>>147341939
>>147341351
Stay in your thread.

>>147342058
Stay mad

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>a 2.5m ore container placed right above a 2.5m heat shield instantly blows up on reentry from overheat
Why are KSP mods so fucking trash?

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H U L L O

>>147342519
O L L U H akbar

>>147337710
by your logic racing shouldn't even exist since everyone would make the same lap times using the same car on a circuit

if you think the only thing that decides the performance of a car is the car itself and not the driver and it's experience, then you are quite fantastically wrong

not that any of the things you mentioned happened in the game..but still..

>>147343230
Things like being able to use SAS if you are skilled enough is a fundamental reversal of KSP's "game philosophy" if it can be said to have one

The "fun" comes from "gaining experience" and learning how spaceflight and orbital mechanics work. That is not the same as gaining arbitrary points that make the game easier to play. In fact, it doesn't belong in the game at all, because it is promotes a false p a r a d i g m.

>>147343543
I was pointing out how the example he/you made is wrong
I'm not saying KSP system makes sense

there is no performance improvement on any craft whatsoever when using a skilled pilot engineer or scientist..the craft goes as fast, turns as hard and uses as much fuel as with unskilled crew

>>147329375
>Russia's a third world country.
Are you retarded? It's "second world" by definition. You might want to educate yourself on the Cold War.
Also ISS is scheduled to be dunked into the ocean relatively soon, but Russian segment is to be repurposed into a gas station on LEO or something.

But, /pol/ aside, what the fuck did you do to get KSP autosaged? How do you fuck up so badly that you get a game that is peaceful in nature, that is about exploration, rockets and adding more rockets to them autosaged?

>>147343907
>Things like being able to use SAS if you are skilled enough
don't you need to have a pilot of a certain level to activate sas in career mode now? And engineers to repack chutes and repair wheels?

I guess that's not exactly the same thing, though, now that I think about it.

Did they ever finish implementing KXP?

>>147344069
We started asking where the money went

also the cold war is over we privitized the entire soviet union and sold it to evil businessmen for pennies on the dollar.

New Vegas is fucking garbage.

>>147344090
You need a pilot for SAS period.
Experienced pilots get shit like being able to hold orientation in different directions.

If you drive a ship with someone who is not a pilot, then you get no SAS which kinda makes sense 2bh

>>147344450
From: http://wiki.kerbalspaceprogram.com/wiki/SAS
>Stability Augmentation System, Stability Assist (System),
>System
I know they fundamentally rejiggered how it works to make this less true, but it is a computer that can hold a trajectory.

It comes down to what a "kerbal" is supposed to be. And I think this is actually an interesting question, because in KSP, you build your avatar: your ship. You can connect multiple avatars in orbit to make a super-avatar or you can break your avatar into smaller pieces, but you only pilot one ship at a time at least in stock.

So, what is a kerbal? Is it an "asset" like a pilot or a engineer or a scientist, or is it more like a "lifeboat" avatar for when you need a different one? I guess the answer is both, but I don't see the fun in having to manage kerbal class systems, but I can understand why a fascist would.

A kerbal being a high level pilot should allow you to automate a mission without even having it focused, but instead, because "SAS" was available as a pre-existing feature, it was easier just to gate that. Kinda like all of career mode.

>>147345321
Dude what the fuck

>some probe cores have SAS
>but we can't include it in cockpits because reasons

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>>147330716
Unmanned fairing.

>>147338739
As well as everything else mentioned, disable the reaction control wheels on the upper stage. It's trying to rotate the rest of the rocket, but its connections aren't stiff enough to do it.

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To Mars in the 1970s.
>tfw the Vietnam war killed all this

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>bizarrothread dead

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Why was project Orion cancelled? Ignoring materials and technological deficiencies, the physics is solid, correct?

>>147348898
People are scared of the power of the atom. They have seen what the fire of atomic weapons have done to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they have heard the tales of cancers and deformities.
Thus the atom becomes an acceptable target - cutting programs that might only serve to spread illness? A sound political move. Even more so when you simply don't have the budget to spent on payload.

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TRUMP 2016

NUKE THE FOREIGNERS

>>147348275
>USAF
>Air Force
>Air
>In space

>>147349191
So, the history of human spaceflight is going to read:
>"discovered the basic principles of spaceflight at the same time as nuclear physics. Someone was smart enough to put the two together and create a vehicle capable of hauling massive tonnage to the stars, and due to budget cuts and government inefficiency, we continued to build liquid fuelled rockets for 60+ years, creating a shuttle program that murdered dozen astronauts, in order to haul a few tons to orbit, and no one questioned a thing."

>>147349761
>Americans in charge of intelligent things
>Implying every single American didn't just scream USA! USA! USA! from the beginning to the end of the shuttle program
>Implying the astronauts that died for the two incidents weren't heroes that died for the USA instead of victims of a retarded program for the average American.

>>147349994
>>147349761
i swear this place turns into a political subreddit whenever anyone discusses the shuttle program

>GUYS DAE CORRUPTION AND IGNORANCE??? PEOPLE ARE SO STUPID -_- EXCEPT ME

>>147350138
It's not politics, it's just facts.
For the average American the shuttle program was an amazing achievement, this is undeniable and shows how little you can trust the population to recognise when something is stupid and a waste of money

>>147350362
the point isn't that you're wrong, it's that you're regurgitating tired talking points that could be pasted onto any political issue you care about.

>>147350630
I wasn't the one who started regurgitating tired talking points about the space shuttle and the state of space programs in general

>>147351046
Calm down Dude

>>147351097
No u calm down

>>147351332
Okay. You can be forgiven.

>>147351549
Good

Science points were a mistake

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>>147348898
They pitched it to the Kennedy administration as an interplanetary nuclear battleship capable of wiping out continents, including hangars for aircraft and mutliple Casaba-Howitzer directed nuclear energy guns. Apparently it scared the bejeezus out of them so they wanted it buried, lest anyone use the same against them. The Casaba-Howitzer project is still classified for instance.

Something similar happened to SLAM (Supersonic Low Altitude Missile). It was an unmanned, open-core nuclear powered, nuclear weapon carrying aircraft that would loiter at high altitude for months. When go-time came around, it would hit the deck, fly low over enemy territory spraying radiation the entire time, fire its nukes, then crash its reactor into a secondary target for area denial. It was cancelled in part out of fear that the enemy would be forced to adopt something similar.

>>147353750
would the interference between the dual explosions not cause issues?

>>147333442
why the fuck would you post this? he's gonna style his posts so that they bypass my filters now. fuck you.

>>147334172
i was asleep faggot

>>147354008
o shit you're right, the alpha radiation and beta radiation would cancel each other out!

>>147354191
Okay.

>>147354008
What dual explosions?
What interference?

>>147355390
He means infetterence

>>147355390
Nevermind. Didn't see it only shits one turd at a time. Looks neat. Sad to think what else could have been achieved with the concept.

I wonder, if scaled down, if it is as efficient and much quieter... the kind of thing you could launch from the pacific at night and get away with

And with the smaller, less damaging fuel you could potentially put a housing around the explosion, directing more downwards and masking its outward effects, no?

Maybe if you didn't stir shit up every time man makes a thread, things would be fine.

>>147355857
Even the tiny test version propelled by conventional explosives would have been pretty loud:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Sv5y6iHUM

>>147356018
take your meds

>>147356212
rake your flower beds

>>147356212
Go kill yourself, shitter.

>>147356018
This

>>147356212
>medsposting
Let's not start the cycle again, please?

>>147356118
That has no dampening whatsoever though, and who knows maybe there's a material that doesn't create as bad of a shockwave when it explodes wish I had majored in physics tbqh

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>>147356457
>>147356445

I do not accept that kerbalisfun is a different person than the guy who made the other thread earlier.

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>>147356569

>>147356681
i was literally asleep at that time

are you bullying me :(

>>147356840
Well, where do you land on the concept of Blanket Amnesty for all parties involved in /kspg/ drama of any sort?

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>>147356938
>blanket
sounds comfy

>>147357019
then I apologize for any bullying that was conveyed to you.

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Hullo

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Actually, all of our problems would be solved if people didn't mind an OP that you don't see most of the time.

MAN's actually a decent guy.

>>147357316
see >>147342898

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>>147357410

>>147357410
That's really cute! :3

>>147357410
*blushes*
I'm gonna go play some fo3 catch up with you guys later.

What is everyone's plans for the 4th? Anything fun?

>>147358056
Mean-spirited shitposting.

>>147358056
I'm going somewhere specialFor two weeks

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>>147358056
Some friends of mine are having a pool party and barbecue. Followed by fireworks by the lake.

My qt gf and I are going to join them. :D

http://poal.me/ipp5ua

>>147358162
I too will be here.

>>147358239
Nice, where to? Can I come?

>>147358456
Sounds fun. Do you have a bikini or a one-piece swimsuit?

>>147359752
I have both.

I'll wear a two-piece tomorrow though :3

It's a pretty day.
Evens, 20km
Odds, 30km

>>147360530
Post pics of yourself wearing them. ;^)

>>147360960
this

>>147360960
You'd like that ;)

>>147361329
Well, of course. You can blur your face if you want. I'm up for some fine lesbian exhibitionism. ;^)))

>>147361567
>exhibitionism

Now you're just being lewd. ;P

>>147332791
MAN leaves > Nobody notices because at least one person pretends to be MAN

>>147362232
we've been over this already. the person pretending to be MAN is just a lazy troll, not an insane attention whore. if MAN leaves they'll get tired and fuck off eventually.

>>147362003
;;;;;;;;;;;;;^^^^^^^^^))))))))))))))))
Just pretend that I'm a gril, and that I'm as hot as Iowa
Then we can cuck your gf into oblivion ;^))

>>147337223
>fairings have costs in sandbox mode
>ships have costs in sandbox mode
Wasn't this still the case before career / in science mode?

It actually has advantages in that if you're making craft to share, you can tell those playing other modes which shouldn't exist but that's neither here nor there how much they're gonna pay to use it.

>>147344069
>You might want to educate yourself on the Cold War.
sick of this argument t-b-h, everyone knows when you say third world you mean "fucking shithole" and when you say first world you mean "good country"

the cold war is over. ;-; Russia is second world because it's not Africa tier, not because of a long outdated geopolitical alignment system.

someone is always gleefully waiting to go "lolno Somalia isn't actually third-world because it has no actual government and therefore is non-aligned! :^) "

>>147349761
Orion is a meme.
The cancellation of NERVA, however, was a fucking crime. (and was on clearer "muh cost" grounds)
>>147350138
Because (a) it's true with hindsight and (b) it's amusing.
The Shuttle was an expensive waste of time for the most part. So what? It's still my favourite spacecraft except perhaps the Buran.

>>147358056
Working from 8:30AM until 12:30PM and then from 4PM until 8PM. Fuck.

>>147363389
>replying to old posts

>>147362347
Which memes are on the official /kspg/ blacklist, Max?

>>147362347
>if MAN leaves they'll get tired and fuck off eventually.
They'll fuck off eventually no matter what.

Just because MAN is gone doesn't mean nobody will reply to him. His lazy trolling will remain effective because people can't resist the temptation to--

OK, MAN.

>>147363601
none, people can post whichever memes they want despite the schizo's best efforts

>>147363161
>Somalia isn't actually third-world because it ... is non-aligned
fuck, there goes my credibility.
you know what i meant to say. technically it aligns to one power or another based on the last time it actually had a government, and therefore it's not *third* world.

>>147364437
Oky. Shopping it is.

I'm gone for now. Love you /kspg/! <3

>>147364604
Hopefully you don't have to Escape your Escape while it tries to Escape being owned by you.

You should probably invest in an Escape Escape System.

>>147364815
I agree with this whole-heatedly. :)

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>>147363714
I'm in a creepy dungeon please don't make me break my immersion to post just because you are paranoid.

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TONY BLAIR
HAGUE

Brake pads and caliper piston should arrive next Monday.
20 matching lug nuts because some PO was a mouthbreathing retard on Tuesday.
Seals and hardware for the caliper rebuild on Wednesday. Hold me, /kspg/.

are these threads archived anywhere? i posted a recipe for a smoothie i made a month or two ago and didn't write it down anywhere else, and i forgot what i put in the smoothie ;_;

>>147370171
fireden

smoothies are gay

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>>147370171
2 very ripe bananas
a splash of apple juice
a little lime juice
a scoop of orange jam
frozen strawberries
frozen raspberries
one kiwi

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>>147370778
you are a god among mere mortals
thank you :3

>>147370778
You know, there has to be a valid reason that a male to male 2-prong electrical connector would exist, but I just can't think of one.

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>>147371317
two ended things are cute?

>>147371317
I googled it a bit, only reason I can find that people want them are because they accidentally strung their christmas lights backwards and don't want to take it down and do it all over again

>>147371620
Basically this. They also somehow assume that the prongs magically know how to not be live once exposed. Darwin award nominees.

>>147370778
Needs a load of rum.

>>147372076
>>147371620
Can someone explain what's so wrong with it to me.

For reference, I have never seen a two prong connector in my life because I live in a three prong country.

>>147372497
It's not so much about it being two prongs, but about both ends being male. You're basically asking to make a cable that can plug a live outlet directly into another live outlet. This is generally regarded as a bad idea.

>>147372497
The problem isn't that there's two, it's that they're exposed
Normally with a male-female cord the male end's plugged in and the female end's safe to handle because you can't touch the contacts
With a male-male cord the contacts are fully exposed and able to shock you or set things on fire

>>147372497
It works with you too. Imagine someone got a plug, and wired the other end of it to another plug. If you put the first one into a socket and turn it on (US sockets generally don't have switches, and are always live) the other end becomes a couple of bare metal prongs that are hooked directly to the mains. Touch them and you're gonna get dedder than KSP.

>>147372849
>>147372949
>>147372995
Wait, yeah, I see it now.

Two prongs is what threw me off, because I can imagine a regular thing you'd plug in having a female connector. (possibly because of the vaguely-similar kettle cord style things you often find in power-bricks.)

When imagining it with the more bulky 3 prong connector, it becomes more hilariously apparent what's gone wrong, especially since there already exists extension cords that add more female slots instead of trying to plug two male ones together.

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/143040-113-reentry-particle-effect/
HOLYS HIT

>>147374037
>neat feature already exists in the game, but it's disabled and no one's thought to reenable it because Squad fired all their coders
wew

>>147374037
>http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/143040-113-reentry-particle-effect/
Why the fuck isn't this enabled on the stock game? I just... How the fuck does Squad fuck up so badly as to include the effect as part of the game, and then just not allow it to be enabled?

Yeah, I'm voting Trump. Fuck Mexicans.

>BWAAA I HATE KSP, I HATE SQUAD BUT I WILL CONTINUE DOING THREADS ABOUT THIS GAME

>>147374673
Hate sustains more than love ever will

race war now

I'm fucking done with this pure trash.
The vessel editor just crashed 3 times in less than 10 minutes.
It's a fucking disgrace to call this a finished game with a version number of 1.x

>>147376415
don't forget to empty your recycle bin after you delete the game

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this could have been a bullet point, you fucked up squad

>>147376968
how much does it hit fps?

>>147377090
didnt notice anything, could prob handle more. I'll see how far I can push it

>>147376968
Is there any realism to the fucking Evangelion logo behind it?

The longer trail is good, but what's with the sparks bigger than the craft itself far behind it?

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>>147377278
what the fuck do you think?

>>147377636
KSP craft don't break up like the actual shuttle, and those giant sparks are present even in the example screenshots where the craft is not coming apart.

>>147377278
You mean the white glow? Thats from the engine

I decided to stream assassin's creed syndicate again, I'm on twich, channel name wonderfulcheese.

>>147377864
>KSP craft don't break up like the actual shuttle
yes they can
>the craft is not coming apart.
what makes you think that?

a

>>147378046

Some bretty sweet MGS stealth stuff going on now

>>147378046
>implying I will watch the shittiest edition of ass creed instead of SGDQ

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>>147378046
>>147379943
>>147380006
>he has a GTX 970

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The screen on my phone stopped working. I took it outside and poured a cup of gasoline on it and set it on fire.

What did you do today, /kspg/?

>>147382576
Bump

Left, right, commie, libertarian, liberal, democrat, republician, nationalist, statist... We all can agree on one simple thing;
FUCK MEXICANS, TRUMP 2016
GAS THE SPICS RACE WAR NOW

>>147385042
>GAS THE SPICS
Um, that's not very environmentally friendly and the importation of the gas would render it even more environmentally unfriendly due to the use of polluting vehicles. Furthermore it would push dollars into the international system, furthering the expanse of globalism and harming everyone be they first world or third.

Let's just use a guillotine. As a bonus, it would allow us to revive the Steel industry.

Fuck i think i just shit my pants

>>147385573

Better change your undies.

The world is going to hell and I want it to end.

>>147385674
this

Hillary 2016

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Reminder that refugees are welcome.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29921816

>>147348898
The partial test ban treaty was a big reason. Also, using all those nukes for non military purposes didn't sit well with a lot of military folk and their hawkish supporters in charge of funding, so didn't give it the requisite money to get it really going. Also, at one point it was apparently presented to Kennedy as a potential "orbital battleship", and reportedly was taken aback by that idea.

Ultimately, people were not too hot about using all those nukes for anything other than flexing muscles towards the soviets, and the rapidly changing opinion on nuclear tests was crippling to such a ship's viability. Furthermore, it was wildly ambitious - certainly possible, but a very risky and huge investment to make. If it failed, it would certainly set back many other projects, not to mention destroy NASA's reputation.

>>147350362
The shuttle was not a bad idea. It was, however, far less impressive than the original idea was. If it had been a true, 100% reusable shuttle, then it would have been a massive achievement. But obviously, that did not come to pass. It still had many reusable parts of course, but the turnaround was simply too expensive to really reap the benefits.

>>147388141
>not to mention destroy NASA's reputation.
Thank goodness we got the Astronaut execution fairing system (1 gram payload to LEO) instead.

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>>147388341
The amount of variation in shuttle proposals is impressive.

Although I get the same feeling I do in KSP when I start off with a bright idea, and then as I refine it in natural steps it ends up becoming less and less like the original until you'd have no idea where it actually started.

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>>147388616
"How about we launch it vertically?"

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>>147388784
"How does that attach anyway? Where does the pilot of the lower section sit?"
"Err.. No worries!"

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>>147388931
"That looks like a balance nightmare. Also, the army want better glide performance. Ditch the DC-3 orbiter."
"R-right."

>>147388363
I'm not saying they've done super great things since Orion was cancelled, just that there were legitimate reasons for its cancellation.

I do hope however that, if SLS can clear its funding hurdles (big if), we'll get back on track. I think the biggest thing is that as we return to more conventional rockets, their sheer size and awe-inspiring scale will do a lot to rebuilding NASA's image and bringing more attention and focus to grander endeavors. I wish we could have kept Mars as our next focus rather than asteroids, but the latter would still be a huge accomplishment given the potential for resources down the line, and good practice for long range human missions.

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>>147389097
"Now if we're trying to cut the costs from a Saturn V launch, why on earth would we use a Saturn-based first stage? THINK man."
"Got it."

Even set up quick new 1.1.3 install with a few mods and stream
Odd dont

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>>147389351
"I like it. Except... are those Liquid boosters? Government accountability office thinks you could replace them with SRBs for lower costs..."
"But if something goes wrong during la-"
"You could replace them with SRBs for lower costs... ;)"
"Here's your shuttle."

>>147389409
dodged a bullet †bh

>>147389513
RIP Challenger ;_;7

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>>147389747
Pictured here hunting T-38s near the Edwards AFB oasis.

Northrop T-38s are the natural prey of the Space Shuttle, although older Shuttles such as Enterprise are often unable to keep pace with the nimble T-38 and have to subsist on Gulfstream II STAs instead.

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>>147389513
For their defense, SRB's aren't the faulty parts. In fact, they completed their job even after vehicle deded. They did fail, yes. But why, "My God, Thiokol. When do you wat me to launch? Next April?"

Actual fault was at ET, insulating foam debris damage.

>>147392159
I wasn't getting at Challenger specifically, more the entire notion of "Between SRB firing and cut-off, you can't do anything" as a whole.

If your main engines failed on a liquid fuelled shuttle, you could theoretically cut the boosters, toss 'em, toss the tank and RTLS. In the SRB shuttle, you're thrown completely off balance and break up.

>>147392159
how much did atk pay you to make this post?

>>147392382
That's why they don't release the vehicle until it has achieved thrust. And as you said, when SRB burns, it continues. Only reason of failure is unfavorable weather conditions and the dicks in NASA ignoring the safety measures like they did with the foam. I don't know how much damage it caused, but I know that it was there from the test flights and caused problems from the very first flight. Just because a dick decided to ignore the warnings doesn't mean SRBs are bad. In fact, liquid oxygens insulation was the biggest problem.

>>147392571
>ATK
Did you mean NASA? :^)

>>147393072
>That's why they don't release the vehicle until it has achieved thrust
And then if anything causes thrust to be lost, you're doomed.

The SRBs themselves may have been perfectly functional, but they made multi-engine failure in the atmosphere a lethal possibility. That, not Challenger, is my contention.

>>147393209
That's the thing. You can't lose thrust with SRB's.

What I'm saying is, it could've been a liquid booster too. Sealing failed, not the rocket itself. What you're doing is blaming the gearbox for not delivering power when you broke your differential.

>>147393648
>You can't lose thrust with SRB's.
That's the problem.
>Sealing failed, not the rocket itself
I'm not talking about challenger.

Let me talk you through the hypothetical failure of Enterprise to explain my issue:
Enterprise is launched
2 minutes or so after launch, fuel flow from the main tank is interrupted and all 3 main engines stop functioning. SRBs continue firing
Stack is horribly unbalanced and flips over
Aerodynamic forces disintegrate Enterprise.

Meanwhile with Liquid boosters, one could cut their thrust, ditch the tank and boosters and bring Enterprise around for an RTLS.

>>147393851
How is that a problem? It guarantees that the system will always work no matter what. Absolute 100% redundancy, literally impossible otherwise.

With liquid boosters, one side might fail and create much worse imbalance and disintegrate even before any part realizes it and shut the other down.
Also 2 minutes mean SRB's are already ded and atmospheric forces are minimal :^)

>>147394217
>It guarantees that the system will always work no matter what. Absolute 100% redundancy, literally impossible otherwise.
No. It guarantees that if the Liquid engines fail, you die.

Control of your thrust is always preferable to no control. I have some difficulty imagining you're not being deliberately obtuse.
You do not want your SRBs to fire if your main engines aren't firing. It's all well and good holding it down on the pad, but if they fail once you're off the pad you die.
>even before any part realizes it and shut the other down
Computer program to detect and rectify an unacceptable situation, tovarish :^)
>Also 2 minutes mean SRB's are already ded and atmospheric forces are minimal :^)
it was originally one minute. Amusingly I boosted it because of timing concerns. I'm distracted

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what the hell happened to the Mun
looks like some texture bug

>>147394554
>mun in fishnet stockings
unf

>>147394554
unity issue m80.

no need to report it as a bug, im sure squad already has a workaround in place

>>147394554
those look like the procedural parts normal maps

normalmaps adds nothing

>>147394516
Alright, so we're running circles. What we're arguing about is not the engines, but the failure. Failure first, engines later.

The main problem here is asymetrical design instead of Falcon 9, Saturn V or N1. When an engine completely fucks up, you're fucked up no matter what. My argument: Making boosters liquid will only increase the chances of fuck up. Your argument: I take the chances :^) I want to be able to do something even if the chances are so low, maybe computers will save the vehicle

The reason I'm defending solids is, they are 100% redundant and simple as fuck. That's why missiles use solid rockets. Easy to maintain, sure to fire. Just don't try using them after shelf life, but that's not important for launch vehicles.

Liquids on the other hand, complicated mechanical devices. There are so many things to fail. And that's why Proton uses hyperbolic propellant look how it turned out though :DD

You got me curious though, there must be an abort node for that specific event. I should look for it.

>>147394554
that's no mun

>>147396176
>there must be an abort node for that specific event
There is not.

Failure of all main engines while SRBs are still firing is certain to cause a total loss of the vehicle. Between leaving the pad and SRB cut-off you are fucked if things go south.

Mod that adds non-functional O rings when?

So is spaceplane technology advanced enough now to make heavy lift spaceplanes that will go to other planets?

I wanna make a space station in Duna Orbit, but I wanna do it with a wicked cool spaceplane taking the pieces up there.

I haven't played in 2 years.

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Hullo everyone :3

>>147396832
fuck off forever