/dsg/ - Souls General

first for Karla

ded game ded thread

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>>146172984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHHnBVw-538
just look at this high display of skill
look how skillfully he punishes rolling idiots, casters and turtling newbies with prolapse shields
can you even perceive the depth of his skill? his advanced spacing? his smart spear and katana running attack spam techniques? his highly proficient triple backsteps?
truly, the skill ceiling of ds2 is insane

reminder ds1 is alive and well and we should all play best game again

>>146173546
I kekd, but seriously, what is the apex of dark souls 2 pvp? Can someone find a vid?

Thanks for the 69 champion souls man, really helped me a bunch now.

Most fun weapon?

>>146173723
I also left 98 embers there. Have fun.

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FUCKING CRAB

I JUST WANNA WATCH HEYSEL VS HODRICK AND YOU JUST HAD TO INTERRUPT, YOU FUCKING PRICK

>>146173697
No one sane will submit to that utter shit PVP ever again.

>>146173768
Cool, I'm set for life now. Or atleast until the next dlc

>>146173875
>mmmmm yes miyazaki fuck me in the ass with your worst installment

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>mfw trying to hit the lizard in firelink with firebombs

>>146173875
>implying its any worse than 2 or 3.
I would be playing 1 right now were it not for the amount of cheaters. Even the ps3 was overrun.

>>146173729
I've been having a tonne of fun with the Drang Twinspears and the Spiked Mace lately.

I fucking hate Fextralife so much

>Go on Fextralife to figure out how to get a ring
>My shitty internet slows the fuck down
>Exceptionally slow
>The fucking chatroom is up and 6 messages are being sent every second or so

It's practically unusable with how trash my internet is

>>146174056
They're all ridden with cheaters, fucking pc.

>>146174158
Then why are you using it?

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They really could do with making the Co-op and PVP a little more easily accessible.
>can only place one summon sign
>even though I'd be up for helping at literally any boss
>mfw they expect me to sit on my ass in an area I already cleared just to wait for summons
Empty Anor Londo is fucking boring but I'd love to help people with O&S. Same with Nito or any other boss really. There should be something like a board nailed to the wall at the boss arenas where you can jot down your summon sign forever and when you happen to be online and someone requests from there you get summoned to there, no matter where in the game world you are. Preferably arranged by who has the lowest ping to you.

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Anybody wanna do NG++ on PS4 with me?

>>146174430
>killing the boss of an area you want to coop in

Nigga wat is you doin?

>>146174158
>he doesn't have adblock

>>146173546
I know you're being facetious but I really miss being able to punish rolls. They're fucking obnoxious in 3.

Can't wait for the dlc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80PrTpiK21o

>>146174680
get yourself a backup weapon that is good at roll catching
typical ds3 encounter lasts less than ds2 one even with barely punishable rolls because of how faster it is compared to that snoozefest

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present fashion
receive critique of fashion

Whats the most obnoxious dark souls video you have seen across all the souls games? My vote goes to this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHmOSTJdYbE&index=10&list=PL7RtZMiaOk8hNDSLGmkq50RRT_YjEuNjh

>>146174549
I'm playing the game for the first time and I want to help others! Can't you be summoned to help people in PvE after you kill the boss? I could swear I did that with Sif once.

>>146174851
all are pretty solid

>>146174768
I guess I should've mentioned it. I don't actually lose that many fights and I always carry a washing pole on my characters.

I just find it obnoxious. Of course, I can just double click 1 or 2 from my library and play them. Just tossing out my opinion.

>>146174980
Try to leave as many bosses alive as possible, and its better to make multiple chars at different levels in das1. Sens fortress and anal rodeo are probably the best for both invading and cooping. Although catacombs is fun too.

Are the twinspears any good for anything other than looking super cool being worn on my back?

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How does poise work in DaS2 ?

>>146174851
How many times are you going to post your characters?

I'm pretty sure i've seen this same roster 3 times and you already got your ratings.

I guess there's really not much to do in-game but c'mon man. How fucking starved are you for a compliment?

>>146174851
breddy gud dud

>>146174896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFGajapKPE

>>146175131
good rolling l1, good combos, flashy as fuck movesets
not the most viable spears but sure as fuck funniest to use

>>146175131
Against opponents who struggle with parrying, they're borderline OP when combined with that ring that boosts successive attacks.

>>146175206
incredibly

DEAD GAME DEAD GENERAL

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>tfw lured the stray demon all the way across the wall and finished him off with a plunging attack from the gate

>>146174680
I did some casual testing with a friend and I think I've finally come to understand why rollcatching is so ass in 3.

Basically, and this bit is pretty obvious, when the game registers a hit on somebody with an attack, that same attack can't register another hit against that target. Tap R1 with a greatsword and you can possible hit several different people once, but that single hit will obviously only hit each of them once.

Why this makes rollcatching ass is because, just like dark souls 1 (and unlike dark souls 2), you are still registering hits during rolling iframes. If you hit someone's hitbox during iframes, your game still recognizes that they;ve been "hit" and prevents you from registering another hit with that same attack, even though you didn't deal any damage. This is client-side, meaning your own client is the one that's detecting a hit into iframes and saying "you didn't deal damage but it still counts"

In DaS2. the best way to catch a roll was with a move that had long active-frames, because the long active frames would linger inside someone's hitbox while they rolled until their iframes wore out, and then register a hit. It doesn;t work this way in 3, because those long active frames effectively cease to apply to your target the moment they touch rolling iframes.

The end consequence is that rolling essentially nulls hitboxes, and the only way to rollcatch is to aim/time your attack to ONLY hit them during the vulnerable recovery of their roll and not a single frame before. Naturally, this means that slow weapons with long active frames and lingering hitboxes (eg. UGS, greathammers, etc.) are exceptionally bad at rollcatching, while small, fast weapons that can more easily and reactively time around the end of iframes are great at rollcatching.

This system is really stupid and poorly designed (thanks miyazaki for de-fixing things that were already fixed) and creates a lot of issues in latency.

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>>146174851

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>instead of reusing some other Ludwig attacks for MLGS moveset in DS3 like that aoe blast when he pulls his blade into the ground or a rape energy stream they just slowed down BB's MLGS
Still fucking mad.

>>146175497
that handle makes it look like he's having the most violent case of projectile vomit ever known/10

>>146175382
You are on drugs if you think rolling was better in 2. Abysmal hit boxes and op tracking on weapons, made 2 a bigger shitpile than it already was. Rolls were perfect in 1. The ninja flip ring, however, was stupid and poorly implemented.

>>146175189
Poise damage is roughly tripled universally in pvp.
Incoming poisedamage is halved during the active frames of ultra weapon attacks (hyperarmor).

Each attack a weapon has deals different amounts of pose damage, and poise damage is roughly doubled again by 2H. Running attacks deal the highest poise damage, rolling attacks are universally instant poisebreaks unless they hit hyperarmor, but do the least poise damage vs hyperarmor.

Poise values are so fucky that pretty much anything 2H invalidates all poise, but 1H small weapons like rapiers and straightswords get completely crushed by poisestacking.

Poise also doesn't regenerate until your poise is broken, so each hit that doesn't stagger you gradually makes you more vulnerable to stagger. This includes attacks that strike rolling hyperarmor.

>>146175382
Well, yes, that's how i've always assumed it was.

Since you shared this, I'll give you my findings since I haven't seen anybody mention this.

3's rolls are the same speed (if not a little faster) than 2s animation cancelled rolls at less than half the stamina cost. Ergo, kill yourself Miyazaki.

Of course, I might be wrong but i'm pretty sure i'm right.

I made a thing last night at 2 AM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLAPXcgn3Gc

Hopefully I'll have a new pc rig by the time the dlc is out, I'm sick of playing on ps4.

>>146175501
>the framerate shitting itself when he does the big wave attack
Good ol' Bloodborne

>>146175660
I would constantly stagger people in full Havel's just by 2-handing my estoc. Poise was worthless in DaS2.

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>>146174851
hi

>>146175853
You never even played online, luci. You're not fooling anyone.

>>146175189
In PvE it's pretty much like it is in DaS1, maybe a little weaker.
In PvP you can poise through 1h greatswords or 2h rapiers. Anything stronger than that, though, is impossible to poise through, because if you have highest poise armor AND giant ring +2 AND high vit+adp you still have 1 poise less than you need to poise through 20 poisebreak straightsword's 2hr1 with stone ring. Also rolling attacks will always stagger, no matter their actual poisebreak, and some other attacks too, like all reapers attacks.
Then, poise depletes with attacks and does not regenerate. But it does reset if it goes to 0.
Then, attacking with big weapons doubles poise and makes unpoiseable attacks poiseable, so you can hyperpoise through anything. Though poise will still get depleted.

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>>146173546

Wow, what a cancerous weapon combo. He even included a clip of him swinging at a guy while he was waving.

>>146173717

Something like this I guess;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfNUcLt8CH4

DS2 PvP was never about excitement, but just calm, deliberate choices. That's why Yami only played it for like a month.

>>146175853
This. The delusion of das2 fags astounds me.Then again, 2, and 3 for that matter, are an r1 spammers paradise, so it doesnt surprise me that scrubs gravitate towards them.

>>146175501
>slowed down BB
Dark Souls 3.

>go on insane duel streaks in pontiffs with chaos blade
>lose to a spear faggot
>go on insane duel streaks in pontiffs with spear
>lose to chaos blade faggot
this game is retarded

>>146175960
>DS2 PvP was never about excitement, but just calm, deliberate choices

This is ultimately what made me quit. There was no adrenaline rush for me in das2. It was too slow, too deliberate.

>>146174450
I can do an area if you'd like.

>>146174896
It's important to know who you are. Never forget that this was allowed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH3SBLzcKKA

>>146175960
>Wow, what a cancerous weapon combo.
That's why he made the video, to showcase it. It's not as retarded as helixodon but it's still a fucking pain in the neck. Given that those running R1 he did on reaction would fit much better for the Sanctum Mace for the instapoison, he uses the weapon there just to showcase how you can go from running L1 into stanceswap (goes to powerstance) L1.

>>146174680
Lol. They might've removed roll catch from cs but you can still roll punish with them as well as many weapons in the game if you know what attacks are good for it

You just aren't going to stagger them out of roll now

>>146175237
Hey that name reminded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gu-O2rOQFo

>>146176546
Fisto is just a huge fucking asshole.

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>>146174851
>1st
Gloves don't mesh extremely well with the set, too shiny to fit in with the rest
>2nd
Absolutely love it
>3rd
I think the Veil doesn't really fit in with the rest of the set, the rest blends extremely well
>4th
Simple, still original, I like it.

R8 mine

>>146175960
Das 2 was very prediction heavy too.
That video is a great example of what das 2 did right.
usable spells
Faith
Huge weapon verity and viability across all stat allocations

>he uses tears of denial in a duel
>he uses blossom in a duel
>he uses bombs in a duel
>he pulls out a bow in a duel
whats wrong? cant play legit?

>>146176785
>he uses weapons in a duel
>he rolls in a duel
>he uses rings in a duel
whats wrong? cant play legit?
FISTS ONLY MOTHERFUCKER

>>146174158
>all those faggots thinking a wiki's pages should be as bad as tvtropes

>>146176882
imo from should remove all weapons and fighting items from game and estus

let the real skilled players win

>>146176618
neither hat fits with either character

>>146176882
>he spent his souls on levels
what's wrong? cant play legit?

>>146177116
>he wears full havel armour
what's wrong? can't play legit?

>>146177116
>He has a monitor
Wht, can't play the game legit?

>>146175785
>Ludix

end life

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>>146177314
>Not wearing full hovol

>>146174040
Jump down and hit it you fucking moron

>>146177454
speedrunning

>>146177398
i wish i could use iron flesh properly, i cant parry for shit

>>146177398
what a faggot, whats wrong?
cant play legit?

>>146177454
speed run strat lobs bombs over the entire shrine without going near it though

>>146174430
That's true. I really wish you could even stack them, sometimes I just want any sort of multiplayer and would want to use orb+sign. If I can use an area covenant + orb I see no reason to allow further.

Personally, I'd just hope for something like 2's DLC applied to the main game. Say you could leave your sign by the water reserve and then it might appear in a convenient place for Pope/Aldrich/Yhorm. Or just a specific boss if you wanted, I just want a sign that only disappears if I get a loading screen.
And apply that to RSS too. Some people into duels might want to grind while waiting.

>>146177495
Yes I'm sure lobbing multiple firebombs at it is much faster than just jumping down and hitting it

>>146175960
>DS2 PvP was never about excitement, but just calm, deliberate choices. That's why Yami only played it for like a month.
>i-i-it's just like chess§!
lol
if that's the epitome of DS2 PvP then it's even sadder than what I thought

>>146175660
>>146175951
Good enough
at least it's not like DS3

>>146177757
It literally is way faster you fucking retard. You think you're supposed to buy the key, go up there and throw firebombs? You throw the firebombs from near the tree you chucklefuck.

>>146177921
You don't have to buy the key shitter if you know how to jump, have fun missing it all the time with your epic speed strat when you would have saved time just jumping from the tree and running around the edge

>>146177921
>fucking retard
>>146178081
>shitter

why so salty tho

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>>146174851

>>146176785
Does a Charm cancel out Tears?

>>146178152
No. Wear thorns

>>146178081
Yeah it sure is faster to do the tree jump, go all the way around the fucking thing, kill the lizard, run back, do the tree jump again and go to the crows than to just throw two firebombs and do the treejump.

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>finished my Giantdad build for the most part, all it is lacking is an assload of points dumped into VIT
>PVP in Darkroot Basin
>put down my dickwraith sign at the steps
>this dude summons me
>he's entirely naked but for a sack on his head, a Grass Crest Shield and a Naginata looking thing
>I expect this dude to be some kinda fighting master since he's daring to go into combat essentially naked
>he runs towards the open area in front of the castle ruins and at the cliff
>follow him, apparently he wants to duke it out there
>fight begins
>I get a single rollstab in but he jukes pretty damn good
>until I go for another rollstab and he dodgerolls away backwards off the cliff
>master of the world destroyed, returning home
I mean, nigga, I was willing to fight you on the forest no problem, there's no reason to do it right next to the doom pit.
Good style though.

>>146175960
Why everyone moonwalking? Why everything is so slow? Where is gravity?

Man, I wish I had a fun build

Anyone want to do Irithyl Dungeon with me? it's too spooky solo desu. On PC

I feel like I'm one of the minority that enjoys ds3 pvp

Outside of some glaring issues and faggots who circle strafe out of range for 99% of the fight I have a lot of fun

>>146178245
You don't have to do the treejump again if you jump down to the lizard

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>>146174430

They could've just given blue eye orb-style functionality to all forms of online interaction and kept the bell system from BB instead of going back to signs. That way any host could just send out a call for help and anyone in an online zone could respond.

Well, I don't know if DS1 has the ability to be changed that way, but DS3 could've been better. I don't know why they got rid of bells either, so long as you got passwords you can still get your gank together or whatever the fuck you need a specific person for. Ringing a bell is so much more convenient than trying to pick up signs.

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Post cool weapons you can only get if your dad works at Fromsoft

>>146178245
Firebombs only save time if you can do it consistently and from the le funny baby picture posted it looks like you're too shit to do it in 2 fire bombs. You're wasting time

>>146178338
Its still not faster, its so fucking obviously not faster. If it was faster then speedrunners would do that instead.

>>146178405
>if your dad works
4chan is 18+

>>146178505
>once i reach 18 my dad dies or stops working
le epic le joke

>>146178296
>pick an annoying npc to cosplay
>build around copying their move set

Have fun

>>146178489
Speedrunners don't even touch that lizard generally

>>146178081
Here's your (You)

>>146178483
Of course i can't do it consistently yet, i just started learning how to speedrun. How am i supposed to get good at it if i don't practice?

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>>146178364
To make it more Dark Souls-ey, how about flares, or fireworks? Shoot a flare up to ask for help. Anyone who sees it (because his ping towards you is low enough, meaning they're close enough to see it) can connect and help.

>>146178572
Like Smough?

>>146178553
It's not joke, you underage faggot.

I hope DLC adds a gem vendor. It's so stupid how boring some are to farm.

>>146178781
I mean really do anything you want that's possible with gear available. I'm planning on making a friendly firewitch soon

>>146175960
>That's why Yami only played it for like a month.
Considering all the shit people consider exciting in DaS came from 3 years worth of tech discovery in DeS, that's pretty fucking hasty.
Look at animation cancelling in DaS2. It took like 6 months before people started using it and it is the most vital thing to make everything viable and speeds up the combat tremendously (rolls are even just as fast as in DaS3).
And it isn't even some obscure glitch. We knew about it before we got to play the game.

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>>146178273

Because DS2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQZ1sVc_iJ8

>>146178364
I wish they had kept bells, but also kept red summon signs

>>146178795
im 21 but my dad still works, is this against the rules? maybe i should tell him to quit his job?

Oh boy they have patched the immortal NPC glitch right when I decided to start a SL1 run. The mere fact there was a fucking glitch to begin with turns the whole deal down to me either way.

It just bums me out just because I was busy with work I couldn't get a single SL1 character with every gear worth a shit.

>>146178814
just set up trades with people

>>146179024
>summoning on a challenge run
>not only summoning but making the summon invincible
>on a challenge run

>>146178873
Do you have any other cool ideas? I'm not really familiar with the Npc's

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C-Can I do it, guys?

>>146179070
Are gems even tradeable?

>>146179238
no, but infused weapons are.

>>146179210
He is surprisingly easily, so yes, you can do it.

>>146179070
>have to give them a weapon for them to infuse then trade back

Too much of a hassle. Some people might not have spare rarer gems like chaos or lightning.

>>146179210
SL? 1?

>>146179210
Just spam your R1 and chug whenever.

>>146179334
it's like the were actively trying to make people hate the game and drop it after a month

>>146179349
>trading a weapon is too much of a hassle.
have you TRIED gem farming?

>>146179183
Yeah but what good are the challenges if anyone was hacking their way to the same/better rewards using the easiest possible methods?

By the time I could muster the strength to beat the Dancer/Gundyr on lvl 1 on NG the glitch abusers did the whole game and moved on to NG++ for the better rings. Might as well just drop it now.

>>146179198
You can also be any NPC whose armor you get, like evangelists with sacred flames or lothric knights who can use collapse as camouflage.

There's also being something like a miner using pickaxe and so on.

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post favorite weapons

>>146179512
For japanese people, farming materials IS endgame replayability.
DaS2 did the same thing with 1% drops from non-respawning enemies, and farmable ascetics to farm those non-respawning enemies, and no unlimited twinkling/dragon bone vendor so you had to farm them by asceticing Dragon Aerie to hunt crystal lizards over and over, and no full eye orb so anybody not pvping at the arena meta level had to spam ascetics to farm CREO

And so on and so forth. The grind in DaS3 is relatively tame by comparison.

>>146178581
Nice argument, loser

>>146179590
Personal vindication

>>146179570
Yes, but the hassle is convincing someone to help.

>>146179590
What are you even talking about? Are you not doing a SL1 for the challenge? Why else would you do it?

>>146179745
Too old to get that from videogames.

>>146179596
K Thx

>>146178901
only two techs were useful in DaS2 pvp, quickrolling and recovery cancel and even then their benefits were minimal

>>146179805
Partially, yeah, it was fun. But my goal was to reach the rewards so I could also invade other SL1 characters.

>>146179952
I love how dasbabies pretend that bug exploits are "tech" and criticize any game for not being buggy enough for their liking.

>>146179198
Umm I mean there are a lot that I would like to do but can't. Some of the enemy's that were annoying first run would either be boring or impossible to carry through on.

Firewitch, evangelist(minus the tome unfortunately), and jailer are really the only ones that I've thought of so far where you could almost perfectly mimic their attacks as well as accurately gear like them

You I could do a lot of other enemies easily but I feel like they wouldn't have the gimmicky fun feel to them

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>>146173729
Cleric's Flashsword

>>146178614
Why the fuck do you need twinkling titanite? Just use a long sword they're broke as fuck

>>146179727
>and no unlimited twinkling/dragon bone vendor so you had to farm them by asceticing Dragon Aerie to hunt crystal lizards over and over
Isn't this solved with the respawning chest with boners/twinkies in crown of the sunken king?

>>146180120
Anri's is THE speedrun weapon and it requires twinkling

>the DLC will include Astora and we get to fight the Evil Eye

>>146180120
The route uses anris sword, honestly i don't know why but since i just started i'm following distortions run notes.

>>146180319
i doubt from can make a better beholder fight than dragon's dogma without having a climb mechanic

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>>146179708
>DeS
Meat Cleaver and Large Sword of Searching

>DaS
Never beat it :^)

>DaS2
Also never beat it, Lost Sinner rekt my shit and I dropped the game. To this day, Lost Sinner is the only boss in a video game that has made me actually cry in frustration

>BB
Burial Blade

>DaS3
DSGA, YGM, and BKGS

It's real cathartic invading ds3 scrubs in DS where the infinite roll keep away and heal chug faggotry doesn't fly

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Neat.

>>146180319
>the DLC won't include Astora
>we won't get to fight the evil eye

>it won't include Londor
>we won't get to see the serpents again

>it won't include Courland
>we won't fight the soulfeeder

>it won't include the abyss
>the dark hand will remain the only weapon in the game with natural scaling dark damage.

Prepare to be Disappointed Edition.

>>146180058
bet you believe your 'spacing' (in a game where proper spacing is everything but reliable) and backstep spam were techs

the base of souls PvP is shallow as fuck, of course people are looking for more interesting shit to do
that's why everybody from the DeS/DaS1 era fucked off when they noticed how hollow DaS2 was

>>146180482
>out of everyone in 2, someone gave up at sinner
>when they probably beat sentinels

>>146180482
>Lost Sinner rekt my shit and I dropped the game. To this day, Lost Sinner is the only boss in a video game that has made me actually cry in frustration
Seriously? I understand you played before you nerfed her, but come on, get a torch and some agility and she is a piece of cake.

Why are there statues of Ludleth the Manlet in Irithyll?

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>>146180770

Agi was definitely the shittiest part of DS2. I wonder how many people completely gave up on that game just because their rolls were too shit to get through anything and they had no idea why.

>>146179708
DeS: Totally-Not-Dragonslayer, Mirdan hammer
DaS: Claymore, Falchion
DaS2: Longsword, Warped Sword, Heide Greatlance
BB: ALL OF THEM, trick weapons were rad
DaS3: Carthus CS, Murakumo, Hollowslayer GS

>>146180770
> before they nerfed her
fix

>>146179727
Farming upgrade materials in DaS2 was actually pretty fun because you had many areas to choose and could pvp while doing it even after killing bosses. Maybe DaS3 would still be alive if it was more like DaS2.

>>146180306
>>146180373
>wasting time doing the quest for a little more AR

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>>146179347
Forgot about the parry, but yeah, easier than the princes.
>>146179379
Yeah.

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>>146180994
>smelter/ ironking at 85agi

>>146180770
>>146180994
I beat her on my first run by just hiding behind the greatshield bought from the jew in Majula.

>>146181150
You just kill her ya dingus.

>>146180994
It was pretty innocuous, in all honesty. People hate AGI so much just because they came off of dark souls 1 and were coddled by how ridiculously overpowered lightroll had been.

Base AGI rolls were more than enough to get you through the game if you weren;t relying entirely on your roll having a million extraneous iframes to compensate for your poor timing.

Most souls newcomers make heavy use of a shield their first playthrough and barely notice that ADP is even a stat. It's only the DaS1 fans that had an issue with rolling in 2, and only because they hate everything new and blamed the game for having a more balanced roll instead of the mindless, mashy, game-trivializing crutchroll that DaS1 was notorious for.

>>146181150
No one does that, they just bait Anri into falling off of the cliff in Crucifixion woods

>>146181150
You can just kill the useless bitch at halfway fortress.

>>146181283
same
that shield was based

helped me beat pursuer and sentinels without any issues too

>>146181289
Yeah, because getting hit by the Smelter's sword when you are 10 miles away from him because of shitty hitbox is the way to go. Get fucked DaS2 contrarian.

>>146180058
Honestly if you're gonna shit on DS multiplayer cause you got butt busted and wellwhatisit'd then you should at least be fair and say that the problems in the sequels are magnitudes worse

But you won't do that cause you're a faggot who doesn't have a clue right?

>>146181289
>Base AGI rolls were more than enough to get you through the game
Nah, 85 agi rolls are bad.
88 agi rolls, however, are totally fine. They give as many i-frames as das1 fatroll.

>>146181501
Why are you so upset, though?

>>146180994
>start ds2
>don't understand why rolling is so shit
>don't know about adaptability
>get a great shield and pour points into stamina

Who the fuck needs rolling

Poise anyone?

>>146179952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zYefsLgIPk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02P8oUi4aYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65ejYxuYVf8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfoEcdwpjXs

>>146179708
>tfw seeing a pvp video for crescent moon sword
>does just barely 200 damage at 40 dex +5
the only thing it has going for it is that it has insanely quick recovery after the weapon art so you can bait people rolling into you then get free hits

>>146181895
No.

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>>146181289
>that one guy still trying to defend ds2's shit mechanics even though they are dead and buried and his precious game has the lowest playerbase of all souls game currently

>>146181906
disregarded because das2 is trash

>>146181958
Off to bed then for me.

>>146181961
With all the memeing i'm honestly surprised that it still has 4k players. Real testament to it's quality.

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>>146179708

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>>146181961
>still trying to be smug
/dsg/ is full of former DaS2 haters just now finally getting around to playing "the easiest souls game" and whining about getting their shit wrecked by the genuine difficulty and playing "the worst souls game" while finding themselves loving every second and continuing to push forward despite their best attempts at hating it.
This is like watching mindbreak porn play out in real time, your meager complaints only make it better.

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>>146179708

DeS: Keelsmasher
DS1: Demon's Greataxe. I tried so hard to make it good...at least it always hit really hard as a crystal weapon.
DS2: Boner Fist (RobsoFlynn Quality cancering it up yo)
BB: Bloodletter.
DS3: So far, Farron Greatsword. That L1 is super awesome and the best part is that it's not tied to FP.

>>146182181
Aesthetic

>>146182181
>that background

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>>146182167
it's barely 3.5k among two versions of it
this makes me happy

>>146181298
Sound like a huge waste of time wrangling an AI when long sword is just as good and upgrade materials are impossible not to find for it as they are just laying in the ground everywhere on important paths

>>146182181

Sellsword Twinblades are pretty neat. Beat the game the first time mostly with a sharp pair of those.

>>146181978
Yet it's the best Dark Souls game.
Only DeS and BB are genuinely good games, but you can't say that else pcucks get mad.

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Good god

>>146182579
I wish to become the dragon

>>146182535
>divided playerbase
>still somehow keeps the same amount of players of the FLAWED MASTERPIECE that is das1
>even with constant bashing by /v/, /vg/ and a bunch of elitist e-celebs
it's quite impressive really

>>146182416
Absolute majority of people here played in ds2 way back during the release.
Your newfaggot is showing.

>>146182540
The damage is significantly higher to justify it. Assuming you kill the proper lizards it's better.

>>146182540
Abri's + Carthus obliterates bosses because Carthus jan scales with luck. Also, the go-to speedrun class is Assassin, and he has estoc.

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>>146182713
And gave up when the lost sinner made them cry
topkek

>>146182417
>not using yorghs spear as muscle monk
I want my fun weapons back FROM

>>146182685
ds1 has 4k
and this is with ds2 being on sale a few weeks ago, usually it has even less players

>>146181906
I know that glitch, nobody used it because it's useless

>>146182579
I actually watched that vid a few days ago and it wasn't that bad.
His theory about Havel is quite stupid, but I think that everything else he said was alright.

>put on deep ring
>cast tears of denial
>remove ring, replace with meta whatever
>effect is still present

neat

>>146182846
when ds2 was on sale it topped 4,5 on scholar alone. now that it's gone, it's back to 2,5 to 3k users. It's not that bad for how much the game gets shat on everywhere you go.

>>146182780
>you just bad§§!
you're so pathetic, defending your precious little ded game 24/7

>>146182898
>that glitch
there are several shown buddey

>>146182954
Le Knight 40/40 meme will live on forever.

>>146183053
He reminds me of dastards that came straight from /v/.

>>146182832

It was too heavy to be practical for Flynn's, I could never find a fashion I liked that let me fastroll with it and carry another weapon as well.

Did use it whenever I specced to non-Flynn quality though. Good times.

>>146182417
For all that people whine about the Farron GS (and I'll admit, the L1s look corny as fuck, you just lie down and slide, what the hell?) it's fun as hell. The L1s being this huge lunge forward with a quick setup hit and a wide, delayed followup sweep cover a tonne of the weaknesses typical to UGS as a weapon class and give it a lot of versatility.

There's nothing more satisfying than steering your dagger hit away at the last second so some parryfisher whiffs their cestus swipe and eats the driftslash, or spacing your L1 perfectly against a turtle so that the drift dead-angles them during the guardstun of the dagger

It's generally just a great tool to have on a weapon class that generally lacks viable offensive tools. I just wish the parry wasn't such dogshit, I swear it's the same frames as curved swords.

>still trying to push the DaS2 is good meme
That's just sad. How low must your self-esteem be to play special snowflake in an anonymous imageboard with a 4/10 game?

>>146183323
yep, here he comes, the famous
>I will not give (you)s but I'll add my opinion on das2 too.

That's right, sad excuse of a human being. Get your shit together.

>>146183323
>still trying to push the DaS2 is bad meme
That's just sad. How low must your self-esteem be to play special snowflake in an anonymous imageboard constantly shitting on a game and trying to make people not like it for no fucking reason?

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>>146182832
>moveset rehashed from multiple different weapon types
>just equipping it reduces defense
no thanks

>>146183320
Enjoy getting poked out of your attack by anyone with more than 2 functioning brain cells and a spear

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>>146183173
>Knight 40/40 meme

Speaking of this, if you get 1.5 strength when two-handing like DS1, shouldn't the optimal quality build be 27/40 again? Or are one-handed movesets just that great?

>>146183621
It frees you up to use something off hand without sacrificing as much damage

>>146183621
One handed lets you fuckin' parry so I dunno bro what do you think

>>146183621
Longswords and rapiers are great. 60 str is pretty good on some weapons like yhorms and bkga. Where possibly could you invest those 13 points even

>>146183621
1handed movesets and the ability to parry are too good to pass

>>146183271
It was a beast with poison resin. Almost as good as sanctum mace.

>>146183323
he's been at it for more than 2 years now, he's as fucked in the head as the 4kings poster

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I love this build so much.

Fast rolling with any armor combination I like while having an ultra weapon + estoc + dark sword + xbow.

Fuck bleed, magic, fai, quality. This is the dream.

>for no fucking reason
lmao

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>>146183820
>miyazakibabbies are in denial SO FUCKING MUCH that they think everyone who defends ds2 is one person

someone wanna help me with Pontiff? Password is stromming.

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>just won a fight against Havelmom as Giantdad
Jesus.
The meta is real.

>he enjoys backstab souls
>unironically plugs yami videos
>unironically plugs tubame videos
>follows enisle

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>black knight sword
>is a greatsword
>black knight greatsword
>is an ultra greatsword

>>146183995
Sure senpai lemme fire up my Atari

>>146183583
You approach spears with the farron GS as you do with any other UGS. You passively fish for HA trades with your R1s, because the spear's thrusts extend their hurtbox far enough forward to enter your range.

Trying to rush down or outspace a spear is pointless when you can just trade them to death because they can't possibly out-trade you. It's not like spears have any pressure tools, either.

>>146184079

for a black knight those are appropriate classifications because they're big

>>146183995
Doesn't fit, but I'm turning on my Vita.

>>146184079
Black knight sword is a greatsword for player sharacter, but a regular sword for Black Knights because they're huge. Same principal applies to BKGS

>>146184214
What about the greatsword then?

>>146183982
>always the same style/vocabulary
>always post the same videos
>always posts the same arguments when defending DaS2
>it's not me, I swear!
all you need is a trip, you already get rekt everytime you post

>>146184214
_______________4u_______________

>>146183576
I'm glad so few people used one of the best weapons in the game.

>>146184187
>when you can just trade them to death because they can't possibly out-trade you
with the farron GS? barely

>>146184143
>>146184249
thanks dude! A job well done.

>>146184364
>>146182713
>be a newfag
>who's also been posting here for at least

>>146184517
>2 L1 from Farron GS VS 1R1 from a spear
I don't think so

>pontiffs
>fight guy using BKG, Estoc, Lothric Shield, Arbalest and Gargoyle Spear at the same time unironically
thanks SL120

>>146184646

>red hilted halberd
>perseverance activated, double r1 combo with leo ring on
>i take one swing with 40 percent less damage

kek

what's more fun for ds1 pvp staying mid level for anal rodeo invasions or 125 for rape forest

>>146184308
berserk reference like most of the game

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>>146174851
Oho very nice. someone else that puts his character in ONE image. Great job mate.

That archer is dope as fuck.

>thought dragonslayers axe was a meme
>make a sl65 build for it at aldrich
>literally 3-4 shotting shitters with their horrible low vig builds

kek

>>146184875
What about the astora greatsword then?

>>146184838
>Red Hilted Halberd
>Halberd
Also that's assuming you activate Perseverance in time

This land is peaceful

>>146185053
its inhabitants ds2>1>3

>>146184517
"Farron GS does no damage" is just a meme. Most Farron GS users just plug it into their first playthrough build with barely the stats to use it because "it's cool" and frequently don't even bother upgrading it fully before they jump into pvp because they just want to try it out.

If you actually build for it and +5, its damage is not bad. You're looking at about 500AR with UGS modifiers, which leaves it near the bottom of the UGS pack, but still blatantly higher per-hit damage than any smaller weapon. A single R1 from a Farron GS will typically deal about 100 more damage than an R1 from a spear, and a HA trade gives you 2 of those.

You can't afford to HA trade into any UGS with something like a spear. You'll just lose, the damage difference is too big. That's the win condition for the UGS-user, Farron or otherwise. The L1s aren't a necessary tool to use against spears because the R1s are simply a more effective option.

>>146184838
Nice theory-dueling. The RHH isn't a spear, and anybody that aggressively swings into the perseverance-fishing gimmick weapon deserves to eat shit. With the simple nerf, the answer to RHH and every other pers-abusing weapon is to just turtle out their FP supply since they can't do shit without preemptively spamming their WA at every empty approach.

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Is the Applause gesture ever not sarcastic?

>>146184187
That might work for you but you=/= all meme spin users.

I bring out the the LKLS/partizan as a hard counter to spin spammers. There's a huge exploitable gap in the lull between the first and second spin and it seems there is a complete lack of HA as well. Spacing the first spin is very easy with spear reach and it's guaranteed a true two hit stagger out of the attack

If they back off on spins and use your approach all you have to do is reaction dodge and punish the inevitable parry attempt

It sl just a greatsword with a fun gimmick tacked on. It doesn't do anything better than any other greatsword in my eyes. I agree that it is viable in the right hands, but it gets the average pontiff poon into more trouble than if they had just used a GS with a parry tool

>spears no pressure tools

I'll let you explore the entirety of the useable weapons in the spear class and you'll know when you find it

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>some dude summons me for invasion
>uses moonlight greatsword 2handed with starting armor tier armor
>I'm Giantdad, but wave to him anyway
>there's a blue hippie forest defender there
>I expect to be fighting that guy fight club style so I walk towards him
>host attacks me from the side
>NO MERCY
>R1 him to death in two swings
>blue hippie emotes Joy while I Well What Is It
The legend doesn't get attacked from the side.

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>>146185364
Sometimes

>>146185364
That's all up to you. Both from the receiving and the giving side.

>>146184646
The startup has so little HA you'll be knocked out of your startup if the spear hits you before you plant the dagger in the ground

>>146185293
>With the simple nerf, the answer to RHH and every other pers-abusing weapon is to just turtle out their FP supply
or just bait the pers and parry since it's obvious they're going to attack

>>146185501
>but it gets the average pontiff poon into more trouble
I hope you're not pretending that "shitter with a +3 farron GS and minimum stats" is an accurate representation of the skill ceiling and capabilities of a weapon. Anybody who is shit with a weapon and spams a punishable attack with poor spacing will get fucked. That's the nature of pvp.

You could say the same for katana WD spammers that can't into spacing and whiff or run into parries all the time. Just because those shits are easy wins doesn't mean your offhand cestus will shut down a competent tryhard with a chaosblade. Just because some 1st playthrough dip with a spear mashes R1 and gets their ass outspaced doesn't mean every spear user is dumpster, and just because the average farron GS user is a 14 year old weeb that wants to spam the spin because it's just like their japanese animes doesn't mean that the L1s are bad.

Using the skill level of the average reddit shitter at pontiff's is a pretty lousy way to judge the effectiveness or effective counters of a weapon. With the average skill level at the pontiff's, you can counter washing poles with the dancer's swords, that doesn't mean that the dancer's swords are an effective counter, it just means the people you're playing against are shitty enough to unironically lose to them.

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As a warlock with weapon buffs should I focus on attunement or estus allot?

Do we have any approximate date for the DLCs lads?

>>146186163
>dark sword
focus on killing yourself

>>146180482
Lost sinner is ez at now

Anyone still play demon's souls?

>>146184860
>>146184860
>>146184860
help faggots

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>>146179708
I fucking hated DaS2. I couldn't even finish it.
But this. This is my weaponfu. I have such a deep and abiding love for all things falcata, it's not even funny.

>>146186386
last time I played DS2 I tried to farm that thing and the manikins despawned

FUCK that piece of shit game

>>146186383
lvl 50 anor londo/sens invasions of course

forest is all dmb katana shit

>>146186478
dumbass

>>146185263
but thou dost not niceme.me

>>146186478
retard

>>146186520
>>146186560
It's like its opposite day and we're pretending ds2 is good

>>146186478
idiot

>>146186643
You're just fucking stupid and I felt the need to point out

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This is some bullshit

>>146179708
Someone but me actually likes gym axe? I love the design but can't hit shit like I can with popsicle sword or drakekeeper axe

>>146186478
I know, right? I had to get a friend to drop me one so I could dual wield 'em, because I went through several ascetics despawning all the fucking manikins.

Who even comes up with an idea like that? "Let's have enemies have a low chance of dropping stuff... and then make them despawn after they're killed a certain amount of times! Yeah! That'll show those fucking players, trying to have fun in a Souls game."
I'm convinced B team just read all the hype about Dark Souls and went off that rather than, y'know, Miyazaki's design notes.

>>146186478
Are you retarded or something?

A lotta good this 10 humanity steal dark hand is doing me when all of u are shitters walking around with 0 humanity

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>>146186478
>He dosent know

>>146186803
>>146186679
DaS2 fans will defend making a level an NG harder just to be able to keep farming shit.

>>146186921
>his retardation has no limits

>>146186968
>I have no counterargument so I'll just call him a retard!

>>146186921
>I prefer having to go to NG++ to get the items and rings I need to complete a build

>>146185964
>+3 weap minimum stats
I pvp at 125

Also I dont know if we are playing the same game. You're giving the general population waaay too much credit here. Given that confirmation bias is a thing, and anecdotal evidence doesn't go along way with strangers on the internet, all I'm saying is that a spear is a hard counter to 9/10 people I fight using that particular gs. Theyll go for the spin, get rocked on counterhit, calm down for a second, and then throw it again when they think they can get away with it only to be punished again

I'm not saying the weapon isn't viable, or isn't more versatile than most treat it. I'm just saying that outside of the spin, you could use a different weapon that suits a HA trade playstyle better with a less punishable moveset

Who wants to do Irithyll dungeon with me? PC that is.

>>146186921
>What is Covenant of Champions

>>146187087
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/company-of-champions
fuck off /v/ retard, for someone who talks shit about das2 all the fucking time you know literally nothing about the game.

>>146187140
are you gonna explore shit or just go straight to the next bonfire

>>146187140
Straight for the profaned bonfire.

>>146187273
what's the point then?
I love that area and wanted to explore it

Can anyone on PC give me some souls? I want to hit lv 120 and I'm only 90 atm, and I don't want to start NG+ yet.

>>146187368
We could explore if you wanted, just bring proper supplies to last through the entire thing then.

>>146186698
Happened to me once when I fingered myself. It's like being stuck in a limbo, quite funny.

>>146187194
I don't know everything about the game because it sucks and I stopped playing it early.

So there's a covenant that disables the despawn? Cool. Too bad that it makes the enemies way harder to kill, and I was farming the manikins at low level because I just wanted the stupid sword.

>>146187186
>>146187194
>what is something that was patched in as a bandaid after player outrage long after I'd stopped even playing the game anymore

>>146187631
>do 20% less damage
>way harder to kill

You're just being a little bitch now. Expected from a /v/ faggot, though.

>>146187426
I'll hit you up, senpai. Highwall, dsg.

>>146187668
>B-but I didn't know about this so it doesn't count!
Fact is, it allows mobs to infinitely respawn now, it doesn't matter whether it did or not when you played.

>>146187668
You sure are angry about nonissues in a video game.
Maybe you should reconsider your life.

Looking to run through and build a quick pyromancer build.

Anyone willing to co-op and help me run quickly through on PS4?

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>>146186921
>Casuals can't handle DaS2's difficulty
Don't you have some crops to be tending in farmville or something?

>>146187778
It's a pain in the ass for farming.

And regardless, it's completely uneccessary. Just like every other design decision in that terrible game.

>>146187910
>it doesn't matter whether it did or not when you played
DaS2 fans, everyone.

>>146187920
>non issues
ayy lmao

>>146187992
>grab rapier
>mash R1
so fucking hard

>>146187502
alright, just wait a sec famalam, I forgot about something

>>146187778
Thanks Effie my man, delicious souls.

>>146187938
Sure. What do you need? I'd be happy to co-op and help you on your way

>>146188038
>I'm going to quote words out of context
Memeazaki fans, eveyone.

best sl and weapon upgrade for invasions?

>>146188165
Just basically someone to help me get through the game as fast as possible. Im just about to make a new character this second

I hate having to run through the beginning of this game to get my build done

wow great hammers are fucking awful

>>146187910
>it doesn't matter whether it did or not when you played
it does, dumbfuck
fixing their retarded mechanics in the end of the game's lifespan doesn't excuse it

Dark Souls 2 was a complete shitshow in every respect and should be Highlander 2'd.
"Dark Souls 2? That's a myth mate, they skipped a number in the series for some reason."

>>146185293
>With the simple nerf, the answer to RHH and every other pers-abusing weapon is to just turtle out their FP supply since they can't do shit without preemptively spamming their WA at every empty approach.
oh good luck turtling out my 35 att with dark red hilted

>>146187992
>And regardless, it's completely uneccessary.
It's absolutely fantastic for pve progression and pvp.
You're blowing the farming 'issue' way out proportion.

>>146188073
You know the mimic just before the giant? Try putting the sign there. Password should be "kussi".

>>146184079
>>146184214
>>146184276
>Black Knight Greataxe isn't an Ultra Greataxe
checkmate atheists

>>146188190
50 +6

>>146188310
>fixing their retarded mechanics in the end of the game's lifespan doesn't excuse it
G-games change with patches? W-who knew?!

>>146188251
Okay. I'll help you as long as I can. What's the password?

>>146187986
>m-muh PREPARE TO DIE lolsohard game
>Step it up dirty casul!

Are bows viable? Been wanting to roll dex and have a good way to catch healers for that quick bit of health kill but wanted to know if the short bow/composite are better than the pharris bow for the rolling R1 shots

>>146188482
Aww, poor baby anon. Did the Sinner make you cry again?

>>146188459
pass will be pyro

Just killing Iudex now. Ill get to High Wall and reply when im there

>>146188310
das1 and das3 had worse offenders pre patching than das2 ever did, like fog ring and offhand WHT

>>146188497
Correct. Pharis Bow is good for bosses and long range sniping with the dark arrows though

>>146175960
>DS2 PvP was never about excitement, but just calm, deliberate choices.
That's what literally any PvP becomes if you're good at it. I play fighting games that way and it's kinda how 3 is feeling for me right now. DS2 was bad because it took nothing to get to that point due to the skill curve going flat fast.

Now don't get me wrong; I think it's bad that pure-execution stuff like ringswap stabbing in 1 is considered "skill", and I think any PvP should ultimately be judging decision making before anything else, but making the descision's presence extraordinarily obvious is just going to make those decisions easier to make, hence why things like speedchess arguably require more skill than chess. To make the player's winrate scale more with their capabilities, you need to remove resources which make decisions more simple and add resources which make them more complex.

>>146177792
I'll beat your ass at chess

>>146187920
>angry
lol

I said the last time I played dark souls 2, I tried to farm for an item and the enemies despawned, so fuck that. Last time I played it was like a year ago after scholar came out. I hadn't played it for a year until then because it's terrible.

Then I get a mountain of tard rage because NO DON'T YOU KNOW THERE'S A COVENANT.

It always makes me laugh when I say something barely wrong about dark souls 2, a game I never bothered to learn every last thing about because it's a terrible game, and then the mountain of shit I get from the apologists.

I never get that whenever I'm wrong about anything in any of the other games, just the shit one.

>>146185364
I never saw the applause gesture as sarcastic I think people with severe autsism find any gesture as demoralizing, but I use applause to congratulate the player on a good try and no hard feelings kind of thing.
Point down however is a dick thing, that's something you get mad over especially when ganks do it like they had some sort of skill when killing you in a 3v1

>>146188497
If you're trying to use it as a punish I'd think the composite would be the way to go for a true bow

A bow run with composite, Pharris, and onislayer with DS arrows for knockdown would be completely viable

>>146187186
>>146187194
Covenant of Champions doesn't reset chests, which were the most effective way of farming materials or orbs.

>>146188841
So fucking what? The guy was literally talking about farming Manikin Sabre.

>>146188360
>implying I play at 120
no thanks shitter

>>146188459
Okay im at high wall bonfire now. pass is pyro. Want to throw your sign down?