/wowsg/ - World of Warships Admiral

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fuck, never mind, someone else do it

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>>145842850
we gud

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Polan boat so fun in ranked

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Good night wowsg

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boat sluts

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Reporting in
>999 battles in Wows and still a bit shit

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>>145846282
>a bit

>>145846282
positive win rate at least
could be worse

Would WoWS be improved if longrange cits became impossible unless you have true plunging fire? I've felt like a list of things could improve gameplay alot.

1. Implement shell dispersion over longer ranges. The further away to your max range the larger the dispersion. If you're shooting to 20km+ your shots have a 1km radius they can fall inside. Inside 50% of your weapon range the dispersion is 1/4 the amount at max range. Inside 25% the dispersion is very minor, about what we see now or less.

2. AA becomes a straight DPS race against airplane HP. No more randomisation. Either you blob and have enough AA to chew up planes or you solo and get dunked.

3. Aircraft - these now show white dotted lines as waypoints indicating and intended lane of travel. You can grab and drag this line like editing a bendy-line in mspaint. Aircraft get differentiated further based on racial values, with burger planes being very tough and slow with lower flight numbers like 5 planes per squadron. They boast high manueverability when compared like for like against nip planes. Nip squadrons are 8+ per squadron, comparatively fast but low hp. USN are more accurate and higher damage, jap planes get less damage and are less accurate, but have conforming torp lanes and their bombs set more fires. USN planes get cone torp lanes and their bombs can cit on CA/CL and CVs. They get more disables on BB.

4. DD have reduced gun ranges but are more accurate. Russ DDs get CL levels of armour and have max 4.5km torp range. nippon DDs retain long range torps. USN DD get bonuses to spotting and very good agility.

5. Armour is reworked so that long range shots (unless plunging AP) almost never do damage, a damage falloff calculation is entered for distance traveled for all shells. HE loses effectiveness at fires over long ranges. Armour now calculates more strictly against AP, citadels are rare to score >5km.

Key to all of this is closing down the value of sniping. Cits become a reward of risk.

>>145846203
he quit?
man fucking SEA is just dying these days

>>145846984
https://warships.today/player/2010101777/asia/Seabad

apparently im good in carriers LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

>>145846942
>HE loses effectiveness at fires over long ranges.

How are CAs going to counter BBs in this case

>>145847123
nice stats m80
so this is where you got all of your practice for shitting on nerds on NA :^)

>>145847261
I don't play NA? Never have.

I haven't played this game in at least 104 days according to that site which is about correct I guess. I'm tempted to download it but god damn why don't they just provide install files from the website instead of using yet another shitty launcher.

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>>145846282

>>145847260
You support being able to chump a BB down by refusing to get in range of it? WoWS biggest problem centrally is ships shooting from 15km+ away and still landing tons of hits. Which is why niggers still hug islands like it's going out of fashion.

>>145847450
wait i thought you were staymad having a joke

>>145846203
Compulsory conscription into the emu army.

Honestly tho, shit game, hardly any new content and not fun anymore. Using finals as an excuse not to play as well.

>>145847679
https://warships.today/player/2008951178/asia/StayMad
??
I wish I could have stats that good. It would mean I'm not getting TKed or sniped at spawn or having retard gook fucks that are impossible to coordinate with.

They needed to make an oceania server just for AU/NZ and leave the gooks to their own server. They might still have a playerbase then. Most of the population decline would be coming from frustration at the lack of a common language. Why else EU and rus have different servers?

>>145847260
CAs aren't supposed to counter BBs, in their infinite wisdom WG decided to go the rock paper scissors route of balancing where each class does poorly against some stuff and well against others. if they want to stick to that, then there's not supposed to be a way for everything to hard-counter everything else.

>>145847668
you can make guns more inaccurate at range and all it's going to do is make sure games end by timing out more often.
people are always going to stick to their maximum range because they're more scared of getting melted than they are of not being able to do damage, and thanks to the fact that armor is pretty much meaningless outside of BB v BB duels and some CA v CA duels nobody wants to close distance because it just means they'll be focused and melted while their team sits back at max range.

>>145848009
because in WoT RU has a ridiculously huge amount of players, and EU is the 2nd biggest server by far, so it's a hell of a lot easier to just have separate clusters
if it were language based then EU would be split up

>>145848205
I anticipated this response and my rebuttal is thus:

The population of Russia - 143mil
Population EU - 742mil
population SEA (excluding AU/NZ) approx 280mil
Population AU/NZ combined approx 31mil

Sooo while AU/NZ aren't big enough to warrent their own server from a purely numbers perspective - when you consider primary and secondary languages

Rus - ??
EU - german/french/english?
SEA - cantonese/japanese?
AU/NZ - englishwith extremely poor german/french/japanese as secondary languages.

In brief geologically speaking AU/NZ would have been better off as its own region purely for linguistic reasons, SEA as its own region for the same thing. Cantonese is overwhelmingly their strongest second language, they don't want to/need to learn english and forcing english speakers to work with SEA was a doomed venture from the beginning.

Also, 3 man divs max? WTF is this.

>>145848574
>Sooo while AU/NZ aren't big enough to warrent their own server from a purely numbers perspective
That's the single biggest reason why such a server doesn't exist.
The KR server shut down precisely because of this; Initially the koreans had argued for their own server, but it failed and got merged with SEA recently because there weren't enough players

>>145848574
I'm a little curious where you got those number from, because SEA (as far as the region that the server currently covers, the traditional SEA region + Japan/Korea/Taiwan/Aus/NZ) contains closer to 800 million people
and yet it still gets barely over 10k players during peak hour on most days, it really doesn't matter at all what kind of linguistic barriers there are, a region with a population of like 30 million just splitting off will just lead to a dead server that's borderline unplayable for people who want to play high tier games, even at peak hour
having an OCE region (basically just Au/NZ) barely works for other games with far higher populations, so the unfortunate reality for the english speaking countries is that they either have to play on the boxes server, or play on NA

>>145849073
Back in the days of BF2 there was like 50,000 players in AU/NZ. Better games retain higher player counts.

KR has stronger competition from certain games sucking up their time like starcraft and many other MMO's with more polish.

AU/NZ has really gone downhill in terms of fun-factor since random matchmaking became a thing. I strongly support dedicated hosted servers for games for at least one single reason: the community that develops around those servers. Giving players a place they can call home makes them care more. Matchmaking is one of the worst things you can do for a purely PVP game and it's why things like ranked CSGO is one of the most miserable places to be because griefers never get the penalties they deserve and shitters can get carried to ranks they don't deserve.

Extrapolate to WOWS, getting tier 10 is simply an exercise in time spent. Getting ranked 1 in ranked (or team battles) requires effort and some skill. Random battle with people you can't talk to when you're 31/770th of the potential population of a server is going to make you quit.

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>>145846282
>main battery guns hit ratio 21%
> torpedo hit ratio 1%
wew lad

>>145849693
Even ignoring the fact that a WW2 bote games are a much more niche market than FPS, I seriously doubt that Au/NZ alone had 50,000 concurrent players on a single game.
The fact is that SEA's highest ever concurrent player population was a bit over 27k, which would include this magical population of players who have since quit. Games like LoL, which have significantly larger playerbases than either WoWs or WoT can only just sustain an Au/NZ server, and they still have to shut most of the game mode queue's down at night because of lack of players and even the active ones can have queue times of quite literally 3-4 hours to find a match with 10 people. I have trouble getting a T10 match that isn't completely fucked up outside of peak hour as it is on SEA.
It really doesn't matter what you think, even with stupidly high player retention the game is just absolutely not big enough to have a dedicated Au/NZ server.

>>145848574
>population SEA (excluding AU/NZ) approx 280mil
Where the fuck did you even get this number from? Indonesia alone has 250mil people, and SEA covers the entirety of the western Pacific including all of East Asia that's not mainland China. Australia and New Zealand combined have a population of around 28mil.
AU/NZ make up barely 3.3% of the population of the region that the SEA server covers, according to WG's API, the average population for SEA for the last week was about 5100, if we smash all those numbers into a calculator, which admittedly probably isn't an exact representation of what would really happen but it works to get the general idea, a server for just Australia and New Zealand would have an average population of less than 200.
Good fucking luck getting a game at just about any tier with that kind of player numbers.

>>145851414
>>145852420
What you're both describing might be an issue with F2P games in general :)

Maybe putting everyone through a meatgrinder isn't the best business model after all.

>>145853943
I wouldn't say that it's specifically f2p in general, stuff like LoL and Dota2 don't seem to have trouble with having more than 4 server regions. Hell even WoT gets a lot more players than WoWs does.
Problem is that it's a relatively new game that's not remotely complete compared to WoT, and it's for a more niche market, as well as being in a content drought and having pretty sever end-game problems at the moment.
And I'm pretty used to getting shafted when it comes to online multiplayer stuff, coming from a region that's culturally and geographically isolated and has less than a 10th the population of the US leads to this happening a lot.

Was looking at downloading the game but reading the NA forums I'm not sure it's worth the trouble. This game has 99 problems and botes ain't one.

>>145855934
Doing yourself a favor.
They've been progressively removing the fun since beta.

>>145855934
The more I read the less I care. Just look at the forums for aircraft carriers and see how half of them aren't worth even buying.

Snoozing_Mako more like UltraGay

StayMad more like StayBad

>>145856062
>since beta
longer than that m80

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>>145856067
The CVnts are all still asspained because they were broken beyond belief for a year and actually thought that this complete CV dominance was intended.
When the balancing came, and roughly half of the carriers stopped being 'click on enemy to win', the butthurt transcended time and space.

Of course, WG went full retard and proceeded to make all US carriers pretty much unplayable in the next patch, they're now useless because their loadouts are shit.

Honestly, low and mid-tier ships are still super super-fun. It's just tier 9 and 10 where the fun goes to die. It's not like there's even Clan Wars implemented, so who the fuck cares about tier 9 and 10?

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Good morning /wowsg/!

May you have a nice weekend!

>>145861742
But it's midnight

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I need to stop

>>145862386
How's ranked meta on SEA? Lots of DDs?

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>>145863434
>49%

>>145863997
fuck off wave

>>145863997
Can you two just fuck already and release all this pent-up sexual tension?

>>145862808
DDs decide the game
BBs are for tanking and smoking
CAs are to be berated if the team lose

>>145863997
Anu bitched to the mods after he whined about everyone doing it to him??

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>>145864652
>11111100000 anno domini
>being a psychophobe
you're are on the wrong side of history

>>145862808
Also ranked is full of Japanese

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>wake up
>its 10 am
>empty condom wrappers sitting on desk
>bottle of Dom Peignoir Champagne corked, and needs refrigeration, half empty
>look at Musashi
>asleep, no tape
>grab rangefinders
>mfw

>>145867189
Anon just fap if you're horny

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>using my shimakaze captain in my Kamikaze R to sealclub every day

I need some motivation WG, just release german/british battleships or something.

How do I improve my gunner on Battleships?

>>145868536
Sacrifice a virgin to RNGesus everyday so you get good dispersion

>>145863997

why the fuck are you even posting

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>play random
>great teammates
>play ranked
>donkeys and retards

I need to stop, it's too much suffering

>>145870632
Wanna know the easiest way to spot a shitter?

Shitters always complain about their team, its always their teams fault and never their own. Same goes for losers you meet irl. They always have someone they can blame for their own stupid fuckups.

If you ever played with wavecancer you know what im talking about

>>145869437

what fuck does that have to so with wave blogposting
fuck off

>>145871784
Anumati isn't even awake right now.

Can we not start the falseflag shitposting this early? Theres enough other stuff to shitoost about until he gets here.

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>>145872415
Can we talk about how much of a slut Hotel is?

Why is this general so dead?

>>145872506
Because WG killed this game.

>>145871784

fuck off

>>145872506
Nobody is awake, new patch won't come out for a few days since it got delayed, there's barely been any new content recently

Hopefully German BBs will restore a little bit of life to this shithole

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>>145872667
Midway got nerfed so gotta find a way to kill time until it becomes Skillway again.

>>145872910
>Hopefully German BBs will restore a little bit of life to this shithole
They'll get tons of hp, low flooding chance, turtleback armor for maximum citpen immunity and have shit dispersion.

>>145873214
>brawlers: the battleship line

Sounds like fun to me. Sniping on the blueline is for baBBies.

>>145873214
What the fuck is even the point of low-mid tier American BB's anymore. German ones are going to be better for brawling in literally every way.

>>145873214
Will they have okay secondaries?

>>145873415
They will all have Warspite tier secondaries, but more of them.

>>145873415
That's a bit in 'not sure yet' territory, because we do not know the range WG will give their secondaries.

Most will have 7 or 8 15 cm (casemate) guns per broadside, plus a bunch of 8.8 cm guns.

If they get the same ranges we see on Tirpitz right now, they'll be good barwlers to at least t6.
They all ahd rather tight turning radii, and most sources state that they were wuick to begin turns, but lost lots of speed during turns. Which is something we already see in Tirpitz, so I guess this will be one of this line's characteristics.

So I just unlocked my New York, for second upgrade do I take MBM2 or Artillery Plotting?

>>145874482
The one that gives you more main gun range.

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just

>>145871414
So shitters like to think they are clever and elusive, like you?

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>>145871414
>wave is the reason I'm bad

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dat turning circle tho

>>145876396

imagine if the hotel could do that in game :^)

>>145875581
From your total lack of reading comprehension i assume youre american?

Wave is a little bitch whos constantly looking for people he can yell at. Play a match with him and watch. It usually goes something like that

>Do something
>screw up
>die horribly
>look at minimap to find someone whos doing something stupid/whos out of place
>yell at that guy and feel better about himself

Just watch. I saw him blame DDs that were literally 30 km away from him for his fuck up because they were doing something he didnt like

>>145875119
reddit is that way my friend

>>145877209
Wave doesn't do that at all, if anything I yell at people way more than he does because I'm an insecure fuck that needs to blame others for his failings.

t. Big_Spud

>>145877209
I'm glad we don't have to deal with him on EU anymore.

Americans must be all masochists, since they seem to enjoy getting berated to the point where they even gift him shit. Good for them, they get what they deserve.

>>145877284
You never played with him right?

You can easily watch his thought process

>Oh shit i died, but im perfect so it must be someone elses fault
>Hey theres a Cleveland on the other side of the map thats more than 5 km away from some bb thats getting torp bombed
>"Fucking noob shitter cleve get fucking gud"
>Wew, glad i showed everyone how cool i am."

rinse and repeat

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Colorado is sex.

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>>145877209
>>145877615
>writing autism paragraphs about a player you have never played with
are all euro's this desperate to masturbate over popular NA players?

>>145876628
botes used to have realistic turning circles, but BBs got shit circles in balance for them nerfing everything that could damage battleships. This resulted in shitters who never turned anyway getting a buff, and everyone else suffering

>>145877950
WIDF pls leave

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>tfw patriotic botes

>>145878224
where in france is this?

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>>145878263
Its Red, White and Blue. Not Blue, White and Red.

Read it from left to right you weeb.

>>145878423
>>145878224
How many fucking battleships does America have?

>>145878423
french flag is always in advance honhon. bedsides France basically invented america

>>145878545
they numbered them, and wrote the numbers on the hull so they wouldn't get confused or lose one of the ships or something

>get haruna
>it's actually voiced by haruna
>get kirishima
>it's voiced by iona
Why? Is kongou still voiced by iona too?

>>145878574
France helped us out before they went insane for the next 70 years.

>>145878691
kirishima and kongous voice actors found better money in av's tbqh

>>145878898
I wish this was true. I really do.

>>145878689
>implying americans can count anything that isnt cheese burgers

>>145878691
Their voices are coming next patch.

>>145879157
[citation needed]

>>145879157
>Comrade, what stuff are we goings to add to boat gaem?
>how about balans)))) or new ships?
>No comrade, lets add a bunch of pink ship that are voiced by japanese school girls
>is of gud plan, tovarish)))

>>145878545

All 4 ships in the Iowa Class, the NoCal, the Alabama, the Massachussetts, and the Texas

if I'm missing any correct me

>>145880330
>All 4 ships in the Iowa Class, the NoCal, the Alabama, the Massachussetts, and the Texas
wow retard the texas and nocal arent iowa class. fucking muricuck education

>>145880467

If you could fucking read you would realize that I'm referring to these ships separate of the Iowa Class because the NoCal is her own class, the 'Bama and Mammie are SoDaks and the Texas is a fucking NY class you fucking mongoloid.

Can WWII BB take one modern guided missile without sinking?

>>145880779

Are you only "merely pretending to be retarded"

>>145880747
only vatniks believe it can't :^)

>>145880330
>>145880706
Shouldn't the shortened version be NorCar not NoCal, because North Carolina?

>>145881056
SoDak should be SoDa

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>>145880747
depends on type of ship, type missile and attack profile, position of hit, direction of hit, etc.

>>145879316
new Kongou voice.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO9qwcrWkI0
don't know about Kirishima, though

>>145881118
Pop

>>145881663
Carnival when?

>>145882382
When WG will decide to add Takao as cruiser you can buy for silver Not soon

>>145882606
why do all fucking nip cruisers look the same. when can we get some fucking real ships *groan*

>>145882606
Maybe we will get Maya with 4 turrets as reward
Kinda like USS Flint as shitty reward for ranked game

>>145882947
I mean shittier version of Atlanta btw

>>145882947
>Maybe we will get Maya with 4 turrets as reward
WG actually putting effort in reskins? Nah.

>>145881663
>muh dik

>>145883357
Tirpitz has torp tubes, which the German BB line generally won't have.

>>145883885
germans will have instead small whaitboi guns with fat whaitboi bodies and whiteboi quick shoot

>>145881056
nobody calld it nocal in history before iliterate retard autists in wows read the fucking name wrong

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Just when I think about giving up on German cruisers I get a game like this.

>>145884425
>37k damage

>>145880747
>with out sinking
Of course
>With out getting mission killed
It depends on the kind of missile. The lighter anti ship missiles are pretty much useless against battleship armor. Of course they can do retarded haxing shit like swoop down directly into the stack or something and detonate a boiler.

Its very hard to sink a battleship though unless its magazine explodes or you have many hours to wait around and hope damage control fails.

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>>145879831

>serve his perma ban
Who?

>>145884917
what percentage of a chibis blood is in its head at any given time?

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>first hit of the first match of the day
>detonation

Fuck this game so much.

>>145885241
detonation mechanic has no place in this game tbqh

>>145848009
Thats incorrect, the chances of an Aus Server/Shard died because the Aus/Nz community is fucking garbage and think stats don't indicate skill, so every Green->Purple that shits on them in pubs is cheating and they feed that into their community as a retarded circle jerk and they eventually quit when WG does nothing to the "Cheaters" (above average players).

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>>145885650
fuck you gaynigger. it died because of fucking no best navy ships being in the game when they fucking should have been the third nation added no matter fucking what312

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Reminder that Wavebave LITERALLY stays in the 4chan IRC channel all day and goes crying to them when he doesn't get his way.

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>>145886708

That he does.

>>145886510
>rn
honestly were they even any good? My impression is they kind of sucked, like all atlantic fleets with their tiny botes and short ranges.

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>>145886708
>>145886795
the booty blasted euro anti wave force needs to identify themselves right now ok. it's not ok just to make fun of people. you can't just do that ok.

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>>145887484

Im going to slap wave in irc everytime he logs in.
And there is nothing you can do to stop me.

>>145887259
Empire fucking navy had the best range faggot with way better gun arcs. they also had easily 10 times better AA than americucks who coudn't even manufacture fucking cordite so they had to cuck themselves with the bofors. Their armor was also vastly superior with inferior as fuck american and japanese steel being nowhere close. Literally the only thing they didn't have was carriers but who needs that shit. Airplanes are for gay faggots to scared to fight close. The fact that WG didn't add RN is a fucking disgrace.

>>145887713
just use a script for that

also
>20 fucking 16
>still being in IRC
that shit stopped being cool 10 years ago

>being in IRC for any reason other than to download shit off of XDCC bots

>>145888057
>cordite
garbage tier propellant

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>>145888190
>>>145888090
>a-am i cool older faggot now guis

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>Come back
>Anumati is still shitposting

Just

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>>145886510
>>145888057

>>145888262
better than the literal chink shit from the 1700's that murricucks were shooting in the 30's tbqh

>>145859307
How useless are we talking? Large vehicles that launch smaller vehicles as their primary means of attack are my favorite type on land, air, sea and space. Just how painful will it be if I'm at tier V now and VI on the jap CVs?

>>145859307
Carriers need to be nerfed further senpai. they should have their speed turning and concealment nerfed to shit. I'm tired of cv's running for 5 minutes at the end of a game. You have the ability to hit from any part of the map. You don't deserve the privileged to have good concealment on your fuck huge flattop.

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>>145888504
Maybe we would be more willing to accept it if your ships that used it would stop exploding every time something looked at them funny.

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>>145888956
>needs to go back to WW1
>A war muricucks literally were to pussy to fight in
Top kuk merrishitter. Your ships blow themselves up on their own just fein

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>>145888504
American capital ships that got magazine detonated: 1 (from aerial bomb)
British capital ships that got magazine detonated: 4 (all from surface artillery)

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>>145889236
>too pussy to fight in a European dick waving contest that was started by some guy shooting some other guy with absolutely no relation to the US at all

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>>145888883
Battleships need to be nerfed further senpai. they should have their speed turning and concealment nerfed to shit. I'm tired of BB's running for 5 minutes at the end of a game. You have the ability to hit from any part of the map. You don't deserve the privileged to have good concealment on your fuck huge waste of space

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>>145889437
what can I say m8 murrirun were far to busy eating ice cream and getting sunk in harbor to fight anyone up close with capitals. Theirs a reason you nigger lovers liked CV's so much. You were to fucking scared to actually fight.

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FUCK THIS GAME
FUCK 50% FORCED WINRATE
FUCK THESE PEOPLE WHO MADE IT TO T10 AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY

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>>145889437
>name a ship Invincible
>it explodes immediately killing the entire crew

Pottery.

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>>145889753

>Playing t10

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>>145889614
See laddie that's called having no fighting spirit. Theirs a reason even slant eyed nips had more honor and courage than the average ammerirun

>>145889719
>number of battleships sunk by British battleships in WW2
>1
>Number of battleships sunk by American battleships in WW2
>3

Get rekt.

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>>145889719
Stay mad, Britcuck.

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>>145890079

>Dat CV lewdly showing her keel.

>>145889989
The only reason the Japanese joined in was because they wanted to grab a bunch of land from the German colonies in the Pacific that were being guarded by less than 10,000 total troops and colonials with no naval support.

We joined in at the end and then wrote a treaty that made you scrap most of your battle cruisers and battleships, and you agreed to it.

Britcucks are the worst.

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>>145890025
Not surprising when you throw enough cowards at an enemy you have strategical bombed to death by murdering hundreds of civilians.
>>145890079
>retarded catapult system that wastes half of the ship
>emals still nonfunctional
>f-35 won't be fully capably till 2022
Face it m8 The UK still owns murricucks at naval warfare. We are the only navy to have sunk capital ships in modern times where as murricuks have only sunk life rafts

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>>145890079
>CATOBAR

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>>145890613
This isn't even good bait anymore.

Also;

>Britbongs only worthy achievement in the past 70 years was sinking a 40 year old cruiser from the 1930's with modern weaponry and tactics while fighting a nation with nowhere near the combat capability of England
>still lose 2 destroyers and 2 frigates to fucking argies

>>145890235
>We joined in at the end and then wrote a treaty that made you scrap most of your battle cruisers and battleships, and you agreed to it.
Heh we locked you cucks into a bad deal for You we already had 16in high elevation guns and were smart enough to be able to design GOOD ships within the treaty limits. You cuks couldn't pull off jack shit untill the fucking 40's I mean shit how inept can you be. Meanwhile britania ruled the waves. Hell you niggers got your shit pushed in by the nips until Brits taught you basic math and how to not encode messages like a fuckhead

Stop baiting you britstani

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>>145890613
>Belgrano
>Capital ship

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>>145891103
>everything that hurts my feeling is bait
Literally the only thing of note the US navy has done is shooting down a passenger jet they thought was an f-14

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>>145890613
Premium ship when?

>>145891693
must be atleast 2 years after RN is introduced, but knowing the retarded kikes at WG probably before RN even gets announced

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>>145880747
Depends on the missile. It would easilly survive the common ones you see in the middle east like the Excocet, C-802, or aircraft carried ones like the Sea Eagle.

Those small one will easilly sink unarmored ships like pic related, but the warhead size caries the power of an 8in HE shell at best, and wont do shit to an armored battlehship.

However, battleship armor wont hold up against large anti-ship missiles like the Russian shipwreck or the chinese carrier killer missile.

So basically, battleships are much better protected against smaller and medium sized anti-ship missles, but large land based and ship based anti-ship missiles will easily sink one

>>145883357
What I find funny is all the turrets and AA guns and shit on the ships are all separate models from the main model and easily rearranged.

Yet they are still to fucking lazy to even move those around on the reskinned ships to make them unique. A big example I can think of is how they didnt even bother to add the extra turret on the marblehead.

>>145891942
assuming either of those missiles can hit it. Both require satellite updates based off imaging. The russian system has been defunct since the 90's while chinks gliders attached to short range ballistic missiles are of questionable accuracy considering they go orbital. Probably only slightly more accurate than a scud

>>145892186
Probably one of the few reasons the US might consider re-activating the Iowa BB's is their armor. Would be good at putting down kebabs and their shitty anti-ship missiles

>>145891136
>Heh we locked you cucks into a bad deal for You we already had 16in high elevation guns

We completed our entire class of 16" armed battleships before you had even finalized the designs of the Nelsons. Then you went and built them and found out that you had created some of the worst handling ships of all time, complete with bad guns and unreliable turrets.

> You cuks couldn't pull off jack shit untill the fucking 40's I mean shit how inept can you be.

You fucked up the Nelsons badly and then didn't build anything else for 15 years. Just look at your KGV's, what a clusterfuck. Unreliable retarded quad-double turret layout? Check. Shit TDS design? Check. Terribad AA battery? Check. Horrible fuel economy? Check. Terrible maneuverability? Check.

Meanwhile we roll out the North Carolina's and South Dakotas, which are better in every way AND weigh less.

>Meanwhile britania ruled the waves.

Where? Your Grand Fleet was too poor to ever even modernize most of your capital ships, and your Navies crowning achievement was an overgrown battle-cruiser with shit protection levels and guns from 1912.

>Hell you niggers got your shit pushed in by the nips until Brits taught you basic math and how to not encode messages like a fuckhead

You were too busy being scared shitless by a Navy 1/10th the size of yours with 4 whole battleships. You were so fucking terrified that you were trading bases around the world for destroyers we had built in 1920 for convoy escorts. You were literally sucking our dicks and going "OH YES, PLEASE GIVE US MORE CLEMSONS AMERICA, WE'LL GIVE YOU ANYTHING".

And then you went and sent Force Z to fight the Japs, which got publicly BTFO and made you look like retards.

Meanwhile we Midway'd, we Coral Sea'd, and we Guadalcanal'd the entire Jap fleet.

Can someone buy me a warspite please?

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>>145892730
Don't forget Samar'd too, the US Navy's finest hour.

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>>145892730
bongs getting blown out of the water much like the hood

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>>145892730
I see we're talking about the Royal Navy again.

>>145893256
And the Invincible and Indefatigable and Queen Mary and Prince of Wales and Repulse and Barham.

And let's not forget about the travesty that was the Indian Ocean raid.

>>145893596
I guess you could say this bong poster came to the wrong Hood

>>145893596
But hey, teh RN almost decidedly won Dogger Bank!

Well, apart from giving up the pursuit that could've destroyed the German force to blow up a cruiser.

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>>145892730
>We completed our entire class of 16" armed battleships before you had even finalized the designs of the Nelsons. Then you went and built them and found out that you had created some of the worst handling ships of all time, complete with bad guns and unreliable turrets.

Getting quite desperate to make up bullshit about the nelson huh. Especially when the collorado was garbage in everyway and only came about through exteeme despiration to move past 14in meanwhile 15in superiority remained.
>Meanwhile we roll out the North Carolina's and South Dakotas, which are better in every way AND weigh less.
Took till the fucking 40's for america to even attempt to make a treaty ship that even came close to the nelson. even then they were fat and inelegant garbage
>Meanwhile we Midway'd, we Coral Sea'd, and we Guadalcanal'd the entire Jap fleet.
Of course after you got rekt for literally half the war on the defensive and lost every sea battle you fought and gave up the phillipenes and every other land you held. American ships of the nelson's era were trash and they were proven to be trash. Meanwhile the Rodney and nelson showed themselves to be graceful and fantastic ships

Try not to make up shit next time you make autism walls, autism paragraph-kun

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Would anyone mind buying stalinposter a warspite? I dont usually beg, but I dont have money right now for shit

>>145892675
>shitty anti-ship missiles
pls. Go to your library or something and find a copy of Janes.

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I love seeing Bongs get put in their rightful place.

At the bottom of the ocean.

>>145894013
But I am stalinposter

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>>145894115
>>145893589
>>145893256
>>145893195
>>145892730
blatant samefagging this hard is pathetic autism paragraph-kun

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>>145894125
Also heres a new one to show I'm the actual stalinposter

t.robotnikman

>>145894331
Is this a subtle insult to Anumati kek

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>>145893981
>Nelson
>elegant
>graceful
>fantastic

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>>145894541
>graceful feminine bow
>beautiful modest curvy stern
>elegant non-gaudy tower
>9 mature 16in guns
>large aa compliment because she isn't poor
>well armored because she isn't a slut
>modestly fast because she isn't some disgusting low class tomboy americunt
Would you like to try again shitcunt

>>145846282
>Only 468 kills
Uhh, what ships do you main, because I'm like 80% cruisers myself and actually have a positive Kills/Games ratio.

>TFW my WarshipsToday stats are just on the cusp of going from "Very Good" to "Great"

>>145894415
possibly :^)

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>>145895001
Knew I forgot something in that last post.

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>>145893981
>Getting quite desperate to make up bullshit about the nelson huh. Especially when the collorado was garbage in everyway and only came about through exteeme despiration to move past 14in meanwhile 15in superiority remained.

The Nelsons were terrible, absolutely fucking terrible sea ships that couldn't even fucking sail in a straight line. It took you nearly 5 years to figure out how to fix the turrets, the guns never managed a firing cycle quicker than 45 seconds because of your shitty fucking shell hoists, and the guns themselves were WORSE than the 15" guns they were supposed to be replacing! No to mention how whenever you fired the guns at certain angles, you literally broke parts of the ship, an issue which was never entirely solved, even with structural reinforcement.
>Especially when the collorado was garbage in everyway and only came about through exteeme despiration to move past 14in meanwhile 15in superiority remained.

The Colorado class was a logical design continuation of the standard type family. It took a tried and true base design from the Tennessee class, and improved upon it by adding high quality and high performance 16" guns. There never was a "15" superiority". American 14" guns at the time had similar if not outright superior ballistic qualities, and each ship had 4 more guns than the equivalent 15" armed Britbong.

>Took till the fucking 40's for america to even attempt to make a treaty ship that even came close to the nelson. even then they were fat and inelegant garbage

KGV's weren't in commission until 1940 either smartarse. We had already matched the Nelsons 4 years before they had been built with the Colorado's, and the North Carolinas and South Dakotas were in a league of their own in terms of firepower, range, protection and mobility compared to the inefficient KGV's.

I can't even properly address how batshit retarded your bait is in one post.

>>145895156
You can't just make fun of autistic people like that!

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>>145895260
>The Nelsons were terrible, absolutely fucking terrible sea ships that couldn't even fucking sail in a straight line. It took you nearly 5 years to figure out how to fix the turrets, the guns never managed a firing cycle quicker than 45 seconds because of your shitty fucking shell hoists, and the guns themselves were WORSE than the 15" guns they were supposed to be replacing! No to mention how whenever you fired the guns at certain angles, you literally broke parts of the ship, an issue which was never entirely solved, even with structural reinforcement.
Stop making shit up friendo it's pathetic
>The Colorado class was a logical design continuation of the standard type family. It took a tried and true base design from the Tennessee class, and improved upon it by adding high quality and high performance 16" guns. There never was a "15" superiority". American 14" guns at the time had similar if not outright superior ballistic qualities, and each ship had 4 more guns than the equivalent 15" armed Britbong.
KEK you only managed to shit out the coloado because one fucking man pushed for years to upgun. Even then the naval board resisted untill he finally managed to force out the abortion that was the colorado. Also please 15in guns were better in every way particularly gunmanship as murricucks were still getting beat to shit by nips with telescopes when they had fucking radar.
>KGV's weren't in commission until 1940 either smartarse
As if it mattered when all they needed to compete with were fat ugly trash like the sodak and norcal. The nelson would have shit on them from the 20's. Everything else the US had was 14in trash from the 20's. The Colorado were never a match for the nelson. ever not in gun armor or speed let alone accuracy or firepower

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>>145895260
BONG AUTISM CONTINUED

>Of course after you got rekt for literally half the war on the defensive and lost every sea battle you fought and gave up the phillipenes and every other land you held.

Singapore. You outnumbered the Japanese 2.5 to 1 and you still surrendered.

Force Z. You publicly declared that you were sending a force of capital ships with no air cover into the Pacific, and then they were promptly sunk by planes.

>American ships of the nelson's era were trash and they were proven to be trash.

That's great famalam. Get back to me when your shell hoists work and your ships can fire their guns without blowing every porthole on the ship apart.

>Meanwhile the Rodney and nelson showed themselves to be graceful and fantastic ships

Nothing about this is "graceful" or "fantastic". Even the Bong Navy at the time made jokes about how they looked like big oil tankers.

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>>145894232
>watching the tears well up on this anon like hes actually sinking on the hood

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>>145896016
>Singapore. You outnumbered the Japanese 2.5 to 1 and you still surrendered.
outnumbering means nothing when you are out supplied and gunned
>Get back to me when your shell hoists work and your ships can fire their guns without blowing every porthole on the ship apart.
adorable desprately going back to WW1 incidents. Murricuks didn't even have a basic autloader on BBs. Come back to me when your Iowa shit doesn't just randomly blow turrets in the fucking 80's friendo
>Nothing about this is "graceful" or "fantastic". Even the Bong Navy at the time made jokes about how they looked like big oil tankers.
It's clear to me you have no taste or class nor an aesthetic eye But I can understand your autism robs you of this

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>>145896342
don't bring up the 1980s, he wouldn't have a bong ship to compare it to, anon.
:^)

>>145895949
>Stop making shit up friendo it's pathetic

Giving up the ghost, I see.

>KEK you only managed to shit out the coloado because one fucking man pushed for years to upgun.

How long did it take the Royal navy to realize that 9.2" guns on capital ships was retarded?

13 years?

>Even then the naval board resisted untill he finally managed to force out the abortion that was the colorado.

Please describe the issues plaguing the Colorado.

>Also please 15in guns were better in every way particularly gunmanship as murricucks were still getting beat to shit by nips with telescopes when they had fucking radar.

This is unintelligible.

>As if it mattered when all they needed to compete with were fat ugly trash like the sodak and norcal.

they were efficient, sleek and well rounded designs that perfectly fit the role they were designed for. Different from the KGV's with their limited range, bad maneuverability and boilers that had so much steam leaking out of the pipes than was going in to turn the turbines.

>Everything else the US had was 14in trash from the 20's.

Except for those three perfectly functional Colorados.

>The Colorado were never a match for the nelson. ever not in gun armor or speed let alone accuracy or firepower

Colorados were a whole knot slower, had better designed protection, more reliable guns and shell hoists, and a considerable advantage in maneuverability and range.

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>>145896563
Must be upsetting to realise that ships dismantled in the 50's would still spiritually shit on your trash museum ships that never did shit

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>>145896812
not really, considering it's still floating.

>>145896812
Must be upsetting knowing that the reason they were scrapped was because you were too poor to fix them :^ )

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>>145894331
>>145894013

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>>145896771
>This is unintelligible.
acquire reading comprehension. I's our language you stole it at least try to learn, murrinigger
>Please describe the issues plaguing the Colorado.
garbage AA compliment with the garbage that was the 1.1in gun
Shit tier optics that allowed slant eyed nips to fire far more accurately at farther range
literally non existent torpaedo belt
8in of belt in most areas because poor murritrash
low quality prodsuction of amerinigger 16in shells
would you like me to go on
> more reliable guns and shell hoists
heh false
>considerable advantage in maneuverability and range
considering nelsons litteraly ran circles around murritrash in practice and that murricunts never effectively showed the ability to fire at range with accuracy. while the nips did lon no get fucked murriburger

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>>145897718
>I's our language you stole it at least try to learn, murrinigger
>torpaedo
>prodsuction

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>>145896342
>outnumbering means nothing when you are out supplied and gunned

Singapore was one of the largest British bases in the entire Pacific. You had massive fortifications and multitudes of heavy guns. You weren't out-supplied or outgunned, you were outplayed by little Japanese men on bicycles.

>adorable desprately going back to WW1 incidents.

This was the 1930's friendo. On you brand new Nelrod and Rodnol Oil tanker-battleships, not WW1.

>Murricuks didn't even have a basic autloader on BBs.

Every single battleship ever made after 1912 had basic assisted loading dipshit, even the Russian ones. We were the only nation to ever truly perfect a large caliber fully automatic loading gun with the Des Moine's.

>Come back to me when your Iowa shit doesn't just randomly blow turrets in the fucking 80's friendo

Come back when your battleships stop exploding in port when there aren't even firing tests being done.

>It's clear to me you have no taste or class nor an aesthetic eye But I can understand your autism robs you of this

Even your own Navy didn't like how they looked.

wtb rust free botes

>>145898047
Mods forum on NA has plenty, at least for battleships.

>>145897718
I like how you continue to slowly fall apart as this goes on.

Just like the British Empire.

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>>145896771
>large caliber fully automatic loading gun with the Des Moine's.
*in guns on a cruiser arent autoloading fag boy. Brits had autoloaded guns since forever
>Even your own Navy didn't like how they looked.
Making up shit at this point is getting pathetics. Everyone loved the british design aesthetic so much so that the nips begged for dat english cock over it
>Come back when your battleships stop exploding in port when there aren't even firing tests being done.
So litteraly what happed to the iowa Really stumping yourself hard there m8

>>145898432
Absolutely laughable.

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>>145898552
I can see you have no retort friendo. Guess you lose this one. British empire ships remain superior. Perhaps if you actually tried getting educated you could even compete in simple mental sparring matches like this one.

Taking bets that this was Anumati just replaying to himself for 2 hours.

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>>145894331
warspite plz

>>145898759
i mean, superior scrap i suppose...

Possibly leak for T7 prem.
https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2016/06/18/wows-leak-tier-vii-german-battleship-scharnhorst-stats%e2%80%8f/

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>>145898759
>trying to argue that any nation has a navy better than the USN after about 1910
>mfw

>>145899014
Cmon robot you're better than this.

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>>145899185
yeah your right.

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>>145899042
Fucking disgusting the fact that they would dare sell the ships of the fucking germans is litteraly a form of holocaust denial. Empire ships must be made NOW.
>>145899083
I couldn't possibly understand how frustrated you are right now. So keep crying nerd

>>145892730
>>145893195
On top of Force Z's failure, don't forget how badly the Bongs fared during the fall of Singapore.

>>145899042
GIVE ME THIS NOW ILL BUY IT PLEASE WG

>>145899276
Trust me senpai, you don't want the Warspite, it's literally Ishizuchi tier

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>>145899375
>american reading speed and comprehension
comeback when you get out of memeschool dudester

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>>145899042
>German 280mm HE doing less dmg than IJN 203mm HE

Ya ok

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>>145898432
>*in guns on a cruiser arent autoloading fag boy. Brits had autoloaded guns since forever

Assisted loading =/= autloading. What you are showing is just the ramming process, which was the same on nearly every ship since before WW1. There still a crew in the magazine and power room putting shells and bags on the hoists. There still 40 men in the turret itself undertaking the actual loading operations with the ramming mechanism. Your .gif just doesn't show any of the people anywhere. Do you really think shells are just magically levitating into the hoists?

The 8" guns on Des Moines were the first truly auto-loaded guns. There is no turret crew apart from those in a separate compartment in charge of fire control.

>Making up shit at this point is getting pathetics. Everyone loved the british design aesthetic so much so that the nips begged for dat english cock over it

The nips literally could not build their own battleships until 1914, of course they were buying ships from the Bongs who were just whoring themselves out to everyone, even the Russians. As soon as they could, they dumped the Bongs like the trash they were.

>So litteraly what happed to the iowa Really stumping yourself hard there m8

The explosion in Iowas turret happened during gunnery practice with 60 year old powder which was very sensitive. On the bright side, the whole ship didn't explode, unlike a British one would have.

>>145899678
it's historical Germans were horrible engineers. still are. So this is understandable

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>>145899678
Balance ))))))))
>>145899841
Is this b8?

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>>145899743
Moving the goal posts pretty hard now aren't we. The level of desperate that you have reached at this point is getting laughable dudester. Comeback when you don't have to grasp at straws to defame the elegant nelson

protip: you can't defame the nelson she is literally perfect

>>145899349
to be honest, i don't think you understand alot of anything, so don't worry about it.

>>145899743
>make powder that releases explosive gas over time
>kill more men than any naval inident since the war
>it d-doesnt matter it was only an a-axident t-that the most powerful burgerBB spontaneously explodes

>>145900291
is english your first language?

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>britbongs trying so so hard to make an argument
Feels good to be an American. How does it make you feel britbongs to know that all this argument is just queue entertainment to us.

>>145899386
25sec traverse speed. That's faster (speed of Schors) then all T7 cruisers, except one oversized DD.

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>>145900204
>>145900417
You sound triggered friend. No need to be so upset over British superiority. It's natural it was meant to be. Ordained by god

>>145900506
>Anumati
>britbong

>>145900291
All forms of propellant release gas and degrade overtime. That's why you generally don't use them if they are older than 40 years or so.

>>145900553
i'm glad god didn't give me autism.
also i'm just curious if it's his first language, a speak and spell sliced in half would've done a better job.

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someone wants to play t5 on EU?

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>>145900506
>murricucks outing themselves as autistic paragraph typing redditors
>britbong showing themselves to be intellectually and morally superior with good reaction images and welkl founded arguments supporting their great navy
I don't know as an american I think im #bongmissile know

>>145900539
Are they gonna add it for supertesting in 5.7?? HYPE?!??

>>145900846
> think im #bongmissile know

Sounds more like you're Chinese.

>>145900653
>americans are retarded
thanks for the support friendo

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Don't mind me, just being a citizen of the greatest country ever.

>>145900846
Why are you trying so hard to change the hash and filename for every pic you post?

>>145900986
More to do with the fact that nobody knew that particular batch of powder was that old. The powder stocks were supposed to be remixed or replaced with new production material, but somehow that one slipped through.

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>>145901092
>desperation the post

>>145900846
>epic reaction images
hot diggity damn, 9gag taught you well

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>>145900754
please respond

>>145901179
>nobody knew
thank you.

>>145901303
At least "he"'s not posting Kaga pics this time :^)

>>145900873
Don't forget that this originated on Chinese site. It can be as legit as "Abibas". So, cool down the hype train.
Detection range reminded me.
WG, late war Pensa refit, when?

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>>145901092
ayy lmao

Whats with all of the shitposting today.

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>>145901315
Benis :D

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>>145901231
>10 Supercarriers
>desperation
>>145901580
>mfw

>>145901580
we won that war, and built a better white house.

>>145901696
anumati's parents let him use the computer again

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>>145901756
>>145901762
>lose every battle.
>get capital sacked
>Bongs get bored and leave
>h-hey we won
congratulations

Is anyone on NA usually on around 1 AM EST?

Grinding Nagato still and wouldn't mind someone to dive with.

I also am on the 4th stage for getting Haru and need to be in the whole top 5 nonsense.

>>145901510
Didn't Indianapolis get leaked via the Chinese site? Maybe I'm wrong, idk.

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>>145902045
>Imagine an entire U.S. Army brigade surrendering to the Taliban, and now you grasp the impact of the Battle of Saratoga in 1777. A British force of 7,000 men had laid their arms before an army that European experts had dismissed as colonial rabble.

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What's a good addon to use to track rares, specifically those in "old" zones before MoP

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>>145902247
>take this piece of american propaganada and accept it as fact
sorry friend but every schoolchild in England knows you faggots over inflated your victories

A reminder that Brits did this to their BB. USA at least destroyed them with a bang.
https://youtu.be/Db6bgu0gs-g?t=5m23s NSFW
>>145902295
What?

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Why are you guys trying to turn allies against eachother?

Is the shitposter Japanese?

Come on lads, nothing in the world is stronger than America and Great Britain combined.

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>>145902392
>over inflated your victories
Did you miss the part where we won independence and went on to become the strongest in the world as the British empire crumbled to dust?

>>145902295
World of Warcraft General is not here. You are in the World of Warships General my man.

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>>145902404
What do you mean "what?"?
An addon that tracks rare mobs like NPC scan or Silverdragon back in the day, that gives you an alert when a rare mob is in vincinity

>>145902572
>>145902295
>>145902404
Wow, i'm retarded. I just typed "wow" in the catalog and clicked on this thread

pretend this never happened

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>Nickname "Grey Ghost"
>3rd most visible cruiser in game.
Irony is strong.
>>145902582
As someone already mentioned, this is general about QT ships and some russian game, not World of Warcraft.

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>>145902481
False Britain was always greater than all.
>>145902569
we gave up a set of colonies that game little to no return on investment other than grief. The Australians were literal fucking prisoners and they didn't get as uppity and spoiled as you over a less than 1% tax increase.

>>145902795
>False Britain was always greater than all.


You can't be stronger than yourself.

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>>145902786
I SAID PRETEND THIS NEVER HAPPENED

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>>145902795
>gave up a set of colonies that game little to no return
>game
>little to no return
This is bait there's no way anyone actually believes this.

>>145902890
I replied before I saw your post, sorry.

>>145902121
Ign?

>>145902963
the colonies had timber for export thats about it maybe sarsaparilla root for syphilis but that's it. You faggots didn't set up large cotton plantations till much latter. You had literally nothing of value. India and africa were much better investments. Especially since neither were made up of rejects who were worse than prisoners like america and rioted at the drop of the hat.

>>145903249

Clogdar ;_;

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>>145903297

>>145903401
>flag has turned white due to extreme solar radiation exposure
fitting you muriniggers sure ran away from that accomplishment. Besides it was basically english rocket engineering that got you their. inb4 germans doing fuck all.

Lots of off-topic shitposting today.

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>>145903334
Why your Nagato avg damage is so low, but WR and avg exp is so high? Were you hunting cruisers in it?

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>>145903839
Who is better, Nagato or Mutsu?

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>>145903780
Sorry, I'll stop bullying the brits, it's not really fair anyway.
>>145903928
Def Nagato

>>145903839
I don't know.

I really suck at this game but love playing with friends.

>>145904015
>I'll stop bullying the brits
Is that what was happening? Looked like you were getting triggered into oblivion by a shitposter.

>>145899042
>20km range
>30 knots
>20s reload
>25s traverse
>6 guns up front
>torps
DO WANT. Bullying cruisers and lower-tier BBs in this would feel so good. And when you're bottom tier, you'd just switch over to CA mode and be the HEcancer.

>it's another 'everyone replies to the most obvious bait ever' episode
protip; the guy who complains about the RN being better than everyone in broken engrish is baiting for responses

>>145904132
Also, did I read that right? Both types of secondaries fire HE? Out to a range of 5km and 4.5km completely unbuffed and without captain skills? Unless she's completely lacking in the number of secondaries, this would be a brawling monster.

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>britbongistan
I'd rather live in russia

>>145904279
Just get on /sog/'s steam group chat and you will know who it is

>One star away from a rank up
>lose lose lose lose lose
>back to zero on an irrevocable
I hate this.

>>145904489
Proofs?

>>145904049
have you tried becoming HE cancer? IJN cruiser are somewhat forgiving and can teach thing or two about playing BB.
1) Aim at waterline and shoot AP at anything that has citadel, and shows a broadside
2) Never show your own citadel.
That's about it.
Also try to find some good player in wows chat, he may show you what's wrong with how you play this game.
>>145904376
Wiki says that Sharn had 12 150 mm guns and 14 105 mm guns. That's not very bad.

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>>145902481
>Why are you guys trying to turn allies against eachother?
>Britain
>your 'greatest' ally
Yes, colonials! Fight for england!

>>145904015
>that pic
Performed like a good battlecruiser.

>>145904376
Oh, and. One more thing.
If you take manual AA, long range would have 301 DPS.
Who cares, though, CV are nonexistent.

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>>145903619
>its been 44 years since a man has walked on the moon

Fuck this gay earth

>>145905330
I actually did this on my Tirpitz, the 105's do a shitload of AA damage and it just melts anything that comes near it, even if it's higher tier.
Although for some ungodly reason every time I play it and there's a CV in the game they spend the entire match making a beeline for me despite the fact that I'm just massacring their planes.
Pretty fun desu.

>>145904895

I haven't tried the HE thing, I seem to have better luck just spraying AP at everything.

I hang out in VG a lot and div every once in a while with those folks. Raptor has taught me some things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljgouUqChoI

>>145905815
You should try to use some HE, if you are a cruiser.
>>145905809
Sharnhorst should have 10% less AA DPS, while being a tier lower. This is a perfect cruiser hunter.

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>>145905335
This is the the future you chose.

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>kirov
>shoot ap into omaha 5km away
>all shells hit, right into his center broadside
>3k damage

>>145905809
You can do the same thing in a Roon.

Most CVs seem to think 'German ship = easy damage'