/bbg/ - Bloodborne General

>>145274671
FIRST FOR THE HONOR OF CAINHURST.

Chikage

>>145274738
GET OUT OF OUR BOARD YOU FILTHY PIECE OF THRASH

Loran is underneath Yharnam and I can definitely prove it

>>145274786
Please do.

>>145274829
just read the manual famygdala

Oh God, I just killed someone called DarknessHanter. The moment I read it I spat out the water I had in my mouth.

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>>145274871

New dlc on e3 yea or nay?

>>145275070
I wish, but if they announce a new DLC, it will be Dark Souls III.

>>145274871
my favorite are Darkwraith420 and DreadPrince

>>145275070
DS3 DLC maybe. The only future BB would have by now is as a sequel or a For Answer/Verdict Day kind of deal

>>145274671
>Gascoigne's right leg is nearly 3 times as long as his torso
>Viola's legs are bending backwards at the hips
Curse this autism.

>>145274959
>Leave the hanting of hanters to me

>>145275274
beasthood creeps up the right leg m8

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>>145275196
>or a For Answer/Verdict Day kind of deal
That would be fucking supreme

>>145275196
if we're naming edgy PSN users some of the ones that stood out to me were widowswail, DesecratedFlame, PureBloodRace[numbers] and RagnarokKnight

Ahhh, we met again, DarknesHanter.

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>>145275331

>>145275701
>RagnarokKnight
I can overlook that one because sonyweebs

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Wew, my new character is finally in the top 300 of Vilebloods.

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>>145276181
It's odd to think some cucks are still tops.

How can you do that most-used-words ball?

Can someone try to find the very first threads from release days and make those out of them, I wanna see since it was hilarious to witness how people where all "what the fuck is happening"

>>145276181
Where do you usually invade and at what BL?

>>145278470
Mensis by the golems, 90.

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>>145278567
>golems

>>145279365
Golems, cyclopes whatever. The spot with the shortcut to Micolash.

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Haven't played in a while, lot of activity still for online?

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So did killing Mergo actually end the scourge of beasts, or was it all a dirty lie?

What's a good logarius wheel build?

Would Piercing Rifle or Evelynn be stronger with 30 Bloodtinge, also what gem should I try to get for it?

>>145279851
Yeah.

>>145279910
50str base arc
or
40arc 25str

>>145280431
50 arc* not 40.

>>145279878

It frees you, unlike killing Gahrmant or Moon Present

>>145279878
It's all a lie. Your goal was to kill Mergo for MP all along. The beast scourge will continue forever.

>>145279878
It spells the beginning of the end of the hunt. For that evening. Only because the Moon Presence will continue to drag it out till you kill the baby like it asked.

anyone doing a terminator cosplay with the gatling gun?

>>145279851
If you try and summon/get summoned for a boss and can't get any bites, you can pretty much always pop in here and ask if anyone's doing it/needs help.

Folks are always looking for jolly cooperation around here. I'd say the same of PvP.

>>145279878
Mergo is the cause of the sudden transformation of absolutely everyone in town, but killing him doesn't cure the infected or undo the damage. The Scourge is over, but Yarnham is finally fucked for good. This is, depending on your perspective, a happy ending, since Yarnham was into some shit that would and did, in the DLC make Innsmouth shudder in disgust.

>>145281657
But the thing is, the blood is what causes the scourge. And as long as that blood exists and can be passed around, the scourge could keep going.

Without blood ministration it'll definitely slow down, but maybe getting infected with beast blood could be enough to transform you as well.

>>145282807
The transformation doesn't happen until the night of the hunt begins.

Did I screw up raising end to 20 on my strength build?

>>145283356
Nah
20 is pretty much the limit though, after that it's really unnecessary unless you're like, ONLY using the untricked Kirkhammer

>>145283474
I'm primarily using whirligig saw, amygdalan arm, beast cutter and beast claw

>>145283356
You did well, str weapons consume a lot of stamina.

>>145280302
Rifle does slightly more damage, but Im pretty sure its a lot slower.

>>145283549
More stamina is pretty good for the whirligig and beast claw. Youre alright.

Is it worth trying to fit the Bloodletter and Chikage on the same build? They both scale pretty much exclusively with blt, right? Or would you lose out on damage by just putting strength and skill at the minimum reqs?

>>145283861
>They both scale pretty much exclusively with blt, right?
Yes, the onehanded forms scale with str and skill (both are shit and you should never use them) while the transformed mode scales exclusively with blt.

What does more damage? 25str/50 arc wheel or 50str/25 arc wheel?

>>145284045
Right, so you'd just go 14/14/50? And then 50 vit, 13 end, and that'd put me at 98?

>>145284119
One handed form scales with str, two handed form scales with arc. The L2 buff increases the arc scaling even further.

>>145284252
Oh, sorry, 14 end.

>>145284252
Yes, add Bowblade, Evelyn and/or Repeating Pistol and you're good to go.

>>145284119
From the wiki:

When transformed, the Logarius Wheel gets -30% physical damage, +0.5 Arcane scaling, +200% arcane damage, and +20 flat arcane damage.

So, if you're not planning on transforming, STR. If you wanna transform it kinda often, Arcane.

Level 98 is the usual PvP and Co-Op limit, right?

>>145284362
Simon's Bowblade sadly requires 15 skill, so I'd have to move some points around there. Should I cut one end to raise skill?
Is the Bowblade even worth it if I'm going to be only using the Bow mode?

Questions about Chalices: the Glyph Chalices, I simply need to have unlocked that Chalice myself to be able to join it, correct?

And to get a specific gem from a specific enemy, do I need to run through the whole Chalice again if it's, say, the level 3 boss?

>>145284570
Nah, your end is already low.
You can go without Bowblade, or remove some vit.

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>3 man co op squad win by the skin of their teeth against me
>they all had to of used at least 15+ vials each, some even ran dry
>they now either have to restart level or go to One Reborn with no vials
>Host just fog walls when he was no vials
>Don't even get my vials/bullets restocked when returning to my world

I'd like to think I "technically" won that fight, but god damn I'm annoyed. Time to do it all again, at least Yarhaha invasions are pretty fun.

>>145284982
>remove some vit
top b8

>>145284902
no, for farming bosses you can just savescum

>>145284982
>cutting vit ever
He should just choose between bloodletter and chikage/bowblade instead of trying to awkwardly fit in both.

>>145285420
>needing more than 45 vit

>>145285459
How does that work in Bloodborne? Sorry for the silly questions.

>>145285695
>save data in USB
>beat boss
>get a shitty gem
>cry
>load data from USB

>>145285695
go to your PS4's saved data, upload your bloodborne data to the cloud or a simple usb pen
kill boss,if you don't get your drop just overwrite the ps4's data with the one from the pen and try again

>>145285809
That sounds like a real pain when it takes hundreds of runs to get a good gem to begin with.

>>145285775
Ooooh, so the spreadsheet of boss and gems isn't a guaranteed list... damn, alright.

>>145285914
It never takes that much unless you're looking for a specific secondary effect.

>>145285914
I wouldn't know, I only gemmed one weapon and both gems I needed dropped first kill with +stam cost curse

Is the bloodletter even good or just a meme weapon?

>>145286042

It's a good meme weapon.

>>145286042
It's great, one of my favorites.

>friend keeps giving me shit after I beat him when I randomly invaded him
>keeps saying Im using overpowered gems

Are even mensis gems too much? Is the damage boost that big?

>>145286106
But is it worth committing points to?

>>145286463
Yes

>>145286463

If you're doing a BLT then yes. Like all BLT builds however the gem grind is mind numbing.

>>145276181
who dis qt3.14

>>145287258
Eileen, the First Hunter

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I wish the game had more comically large, player usable hats.

Shark cunt killed Simon

FUCK EVERYTHING

>>145287398
>BLOOD NOW hat never

>>145284563
There are no limits to Co Op as long as you use a password

>>145287552

He dies anyway

>>145285914
You just didn't pray to the RNGods enough

>>145287334
There isn't enough porn of her

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What's the lowest level I could reasonably take on Ludwig for my ARC build? Note I don't have PSPlus so it'll have to be solo.

>>145288156
60-65

>>145288156

I dunno, 15 maybe? Just make a fire saw spear ASAP then go fight him.

>Gaf From project rumors

Could this have not made it online so close to the sony conference

>>145288245
>>145288295
Thanks goons

>>145286418
mensis gems aren't a very big deal but they provide a significant boost over anything in the story until that point

Is Bloodletter worth using with only minimal STR investment?

>>145288156
He's doable at level 4 if you know what you're doing, it's just a matter of how well you know the fight

>>145289443
I handled him pretty easily first playthrough. Died once because I didn't realize he was blasting a giant pizza slice at me in his second form but I didn't really see what all the fuss was about him being hard.

Though I wouldn't say I memorized his moves or anything, so doing him low level may fuck me up.

>>145289565
Yeah that's fair enough, he's one of the toughest bosses in the game for me. Only one that really gives me more trouble is Orphan of Kos

>>145289419
Nobody uses the untricked mode

>>145283861
https://www.mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/17444

This is what I use for my 98 bt build with bloodletter/chikage/bowblade

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Is this thing just a piece of shit or can it be made good? I'm having trouble with most bosses even though I can rinse them with the axe.

>>145290197
does Str even factor into the trickmode, or is it pure Blt scaling like Chikage and Bowblade.

>>145288853
they aren't really rumors, it's a new interview with Mitsubishi. idk if anything BB counts as internal, so something new for it could exist and not be any of them.

>>145290642
It takes 40-50 SKL and some decent gems to become good

>>145290809
Nope, the trick mode scales with blt exclusively.
Just get enough str to wield it

>>145290642
You want to focus on making dash attacks instead of Rip/Tear combos. The arc damage is worth it and the attacks are so quick you can dance around enemies as long as you have stamina.

And of course you need some decent gems. Other than that, it's really just practice for the burial blade's mechanics.

>>145271845
Crowfeather Garb + Executioner Gauntlets and Legs + Ardeo

>>145279878
No it doesn't, and never is it stated that it would.

>>145291603
There are a few messages around that say "seek paleblood to transcend the hunt" or "seek the great ones to put an end to the beastly scourge"

Which of course doesn't mean "killing Mergo will end the scourge," but I feel as if that's what the game wants you play you into believing

>>145287696
I know but I like his speech anon, Sins of the Father and that shit.

>>145288156
You can still summon Old Hunters without PS+ can't you? Memorise the Impurity Rune and kill the crows near the witch. The confederates will always have my blessing... and each other. Always.

>>145292151
Yes you can. And Valtr is actually decently useful as long as you don't let Ludwig focus fully on him.

So i'm on my first playthrough of this game and I can't summon anybody. I can ring the small bell and get summoned all the time, but if I use the beckoning bell I can't summon anyone. I've been waiting around 20-30 minutes to summon someone outside the scythe dude in cainhurst. Is there something i'm missing?

>>145292423
People only know how to take and not how to give.

https://mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/17445

how build

build good?

>>145290642
At 50 Skl with decent-ish Mensis gems going tricked and ripping and tearing can keep Ludwig's blade-mode completely staggered when he attempts a charged attack and after a stamina-bar and a half of it (I think my Skl char has around 120-130 stam) you're guaranteed a visceral. Breaks his legs in horse-mode a lot too.

It's more situational than most weapons, but when you get used to using it it's pretty damn good. I also felt how you do when I started with it.

>>145292686
What level are most people in cainhurst on first playthrough? My guy is only 54 so I might be a little low and that might be it.

>>145292779
I have that exact build, though mine runs four less vit in favor of endurance. Nice to have the extra stamina for the wheel, no one ever expects a fourth R2.

>>145292779
Go ahead and grab 5 more str unless you're really wanting to stay at 98. It will benefit you for the wheel as well as the holy moonlight sword which is a good secondary for you.

>>145293056
Nah, 50-55 is fine, you're just out of luck.
If you post a password here people will come.

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>>145292012
>The nameless moon presence beckoned by Laurence and his associates. Paleblood.
>Behold! A Paleblood sky!
>Hunt the Great Ones, Hunt the Great Ones.
>Three third cords.
>Seek paleblood to transcend the hunt.

They're not telling you to kill Mergo to end it all, Anon. They're telling you to kill Moon Presence.

>>145293201
Nah, i've killed him 2-3 times in others groups so ill just headbut him until dead or I give up and go at rom again.

>>145290642
Max it out, get good gems. Trick it. The dash attacks do a ton of damage.

When tricked, your first four attacks are meh, but the fifth onward are faster and faster. You can put in a massive amount of damage deceptively fast. I made a character just for BoM. Was totally worth it.

>>145290383
Use Noble Scion instead and you can get 50 Vit at 98

>>145293830
Noble Scion ends up being worse when needing to meet the 15skl/14str requirements for bloodletter and chikage.

https://www.mugenmonkey.com/bloodborne/17447

>>145293414
According to Miyazaki, with paleblood sky seeking paleblood means to uncover the ritual. Meanwhile with three third cords and the MP statement, seeking paleblood means to find MP. It's literally both, with his own interpretation being the ritual one.

>>145294216
er I mean bloodletter/bowblade.

>>145294216
Oh yeah
forgot you wanted to use all of them for some reason

>>145294286
Miyazaki also says that Paleblood is also what some people in-game believe is the name of Moon Presence.

Therefore behold a Paleblood sky being to uncover the ritual, the Paleblood sky literally just being the red moon descending, and the ritual being to summon Moon Presence, both interpretations mean exactly the same thing.

>>145294435
They're all pretty useful imo. Bowblade the least so but it's fun sniping sometimes.

Even if you wanted to use chikage only noble scion is worse than lone survivor.

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>>145294286
>>145294601
Paleblood is also what The Doll has for actual blood
Pale White Blood

All Great Ones lose their child and yearns for a surrogate.

What happens to you in the 3rd ending?
Pic related

how do you actually use firearms in bloodtinge builds when all the good bloodtinge weapons are two handed?

>>145295429
Well with the Chikage you get ample use because you'll just be tricking it to attack and untricking when dodging around or not attack.

>>145295030
I can dig that. Moon Presence was actually just some Pthumerian who 'ascended' and got brought up by whatever the Doll really is, and it alters its forms so as to be most appealing to those it wishes to nurture. But,
>created by you humans.
No dice.

>>145295669
>source: my ass

What's your favorite bloodborne's song and why is it the cleric beast's theme?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRGRSCAOqh4

>>145295669
I think it's more that Doll is animated/possessed by potentially the most powerful Great One of them all
This could explain why the Winter Lanterns look so much like her, they were created in the nameless Great One's latest vessel
Though a lot of voice lines suggest the Doll isn't directly controlled by the Great One, more just vaguely animated by it and told to help hunters along their way

>>145295429
You'll want to be constantly unzipping and zipping the Chikage. If you're far enough away to warrant shooting instead of slashing, you should be unzipped. With the Bloodletter, if you hit them with the trick attack it'll instantly rally all the damage back, and you have a large window to rally it by just attacking if you whiff that attack anyway.

>Finish Central Pthumeru Chalice
>still one Ritual Blood (3) short for Lower Pthumeru
Can I get all the ones I need from Central, or do I have to open up Hintertomb?

>>145295750
Source for created by you humans? That's exactly what she says, in her most quoted line no less.

>>145295921
I'm really enjoying The One Reborn's theme
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BncJ1yX-BgQ

>>145296328
She's refering to gehrman

>>145295921
Ending and opening theme, Micolash and Heimwick , also I really like Amygdala's theme and the one that loops in Upper Cathedral Ward, Soothing Hymn

WTF FROM IT'S NOT SOOTHING AT ALL

>>145295921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_8t5ay0-YU

Either Living Failures or Ludwig's theme. I like LF just because the theme contrasts the name of the boss so much.

>>145296973
And yet she says created by you humans, and I do love you. Not Gehrman, you.

>>145296257
Speedrun
Guide

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>Wearing full Exectioners
>Beckoned by someone in Black Church
>They already have a co-operator wearing full Cainhurst (but not with Vilecuck rune, so can't purge)
>The Cainhurst knight gets killed by Ludwig in two seconds

>>145295921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sr349qR9s8

>>145297025
It is for me

>>145295429
by having 28 Str and using Gatling Gun + Church Cannon

This also makes the untricked BL an effective backup when you don't get a chance to trick it after shooting.

and when you have the BL you never want to use the pussy-ass chikaggot anyways

>>145297025
"Hail the Nightmare" still freaks me the fuck out.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlQcKBUcgmA

At which point does the impostor replace Iosefka? Is it entering the cathedral ward that triggers it?

>>145298775
I believe it is entering CW (specifically the cutscene), yes.

>>145294601
>the ritual being to summon Moon Presence
Don't really agree, seeing how you stop the ritual by silencing the baby (the great one we know Mensis beckoned), yet MP shows up afterward anyway. Also, MP was already beckoned when the Hunter's Dream was made by a different group of people, and that dream has been used very often since.

That, and the way the interview is written, one interpretation was clearly his intent as opposed to the other, and he describes them as fairly separate things. If they were really supposed to arrive at the exact same end point I'd want to know what the point of the distinction is at all.

Also worth pointing out that stopping the ritual clearly ends the hunt like the hunter's dream note says, since Gehrman kills you and you wake up the next morning entirely independent of anything you do to MP.

So all of that being said, only thing that's really clear is that stopping the ritual is really only a matter of that particular hunt, since Mergo and the Mensis ritual aren't the true source of all beasthood transformations for a shitload of reasons.

Only problem is, we don't even really know if killing MP will achieve that since we know jack shit about it other than who beckoned it and what it wants from its surrogate child (and maybe that it was a follower of Oedon if the artbook still means anything).

>>145297087
l'm actually confused by her dialogue aswell.

"But, do the gods love their creations? Of course, l do love you"

The MP brought her to life but maybe she considers Gehrman(a human) her creator. So you could say she's refering to humans in general in her second phrase:

"l do love you(humans)"

At least thats the only logical conclusion l can come up with. As for what does she loves humans lt's probably not becouse she was created by one, but becouse the MP made her like that, so that she helps the hunters in their way

>>145297467
If you get matched up with another phantom who is an adversary, are you hostile to the host too or just the phantom?

>>145298824
Alright. I never knew there was special dialogue with her when using three or four of her vials so im gonna check it out this time.

>>145299097
I was under the impression the adversarial matchmaking was based solely on you + the host. Other cooperators won't be taken into consideration.

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NEVER
STOP
MOVING

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Taking a break from watching reddit burn to do Cainhurst on my bl30, pass is bbg123 if you wanna join

>>145274671
That's amazing art

>>145298831
so "Seek paleblood to transcend the hunt" is both
>expose the paleblood sky so the long hunt ends
and
>literally transcend the hunt and all other hunts to come and become doll's squid child
even when all the information isn't given one is way better than the other anyway

>>145298831
The distinction is that he's saying he wanted the player to come to the realisation at that point. That at that note everything would click with the player in their mind.
>Then, after the ritual, you could look at it again and it'll dawn on you... that was my intention, anyway, but I have to admit, that was probably a bit tough to pick up on (laughs)

Moon Presence being beckoned by Gehrman and the Hunter's Dream existing, and the School of Mensis trying to summon Moon Presence are two completely different things, Anon. The School of Mensis knows about Moon Presence (given the notes in the Lecture Building) and they've figured out how to ascend (again, given the notes in the lecture building) but that doesn't mean they can just waltz into the Hunter's Dream like it's no big deal and scream at the moon until MP pops out. There's a reason Moon Presence favours using foreigners, and there's a reason MP sends you instead of going itself. Hunt the Great Ones, Hunt the Great Ones. Removing Mergo stops the ritual because Mergo is the very ritual, trying to lure out the nameless Moon Presence beckoned by Laurence and his associates. Paleblood. And in a way, that's exactly what happens.

The first note has a multitude of ways of being interpreted. You can say stopping the ritual ends the hunt because it ends your specific hunt and you get to wake up, sure. But then the next time MP wants something dead he'll just get a new hunter and the hunt will carry on. Killing Moon Presence ends the hunt for good.

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>>145299995

Summoning/Invasion level ranges

What the fuck are they?
I see people saying things like "well if you're level 50 you can summon anyone from level -20 to level 544" but nobody mentions the formulae.

Are they the same as DS1 {x +- (10+.1x)} or are they larger this time around?

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>invade in Mensis
>he's standing right next to me when I spawn in
>bloodletter L2
>he fucking stands there and sticks himself in the leg
>L2
>brush off dust

>>145300953
https://mpql.net/tools/bloodborne/

>>145300348
If you want to use the Lecture Building notes as the basis and they want to ascend through Moon Presence, then why would they carry out their ritual when they only have one third cord? No matter when you think they started the ritual, be it back before Old Yharnam's burning or during the game, they still decided to do it before they had what they needed.

And again, we know way too little about MP to even say that it wants anything else dead, or that killing it will do anything other than stop the hunters from dreaming (or really, if it even that). If we can count on the artbook we'd at least know it has a boner for blood echoes which hunters bring in to the dream all the time, and those come from just about everything, not just great ones.

>>145300953
Just stop at BL 77 and enjoy summons/invasions at every boss and zone in the game

>>145302403
>And again, we know way too little about MP to even say that it wants anything else dead, or that killing it will do anything other than stop the hunters from dreaming (or really, if it even that).

We know there have been many others who have hunted (everyone we can summon with the Old Hunter Bell + Eileen and Djura, to be specific). We know that when the red moon hangs low, when there's a Paleblood sky, things go from bad to downright insane (both from experience and Old Yharnam). We know it's the red moon descending that impregnates certain people (thus creating new cords).

The only way what you're saying makes sense is if you're suggesting there's no connection between Moon Presence and the red moon, and if that's what you're saying this whole debate is meaningless.

>>145302305
>https://mpql.net/tools/bloodborne/

This contains absolutely none of the information I asked about.

Here's the actual data in case anyone else cares:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bloodborne/comments/35oltu/new_level_range_calculator_calculates_coop_and/cr6c7kh

>>145302875
I have a 77 and I get fuck all before yahargul and only decent dlc summons

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Could someone help a bl30 take on Marty Log? Ringing outside his fog pass is bbg 123

>>145303468
I don't give a shit mouthbreather
mpql provides reliable data and you can figure out the formulas yourself by using data points to satiate your autismo needs if it makes your asshole feel better

>>145304179
bbg123

no space

Which link in op has sliders so I can make a cutie

Shit, panicked right at the end, could have killed him sooner if I hadn't. Did it count? I didn't get blood echoes so I'm assuming it didn't.

AMADETH!!!

Why did they ditch all the cool multiplayer bits like Vagrants and curse-statues/bells/gravelords after DS1?

>>145305203
This isn't /dsg/ bruh

>>145305203
>No Old Monk style bosses since Demon's Souls

FromSoft, why?

>>145305351
Probably because of twinks and Scraping Spear trolls.

Jesus Christ I fucking hate the Research Centre. There's so many of these swollen-headed bastards and the do so much damage.

>Try to be clever
>Snek myself

Kek. Let me know if you get him.

>>145305624
almost reringing

>>145305351
Looking Glass Knight could summon other players in place of the reflection knight that comes out of its shield if that counts

You're the best, Amadeth

>>145305993
No, because they're heavily gimped and you can kill them before they even spawn.

>>145305617
They have no range, use your longest weapon

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>>145306194
Enjoy your edgeblade.

>>145306389
I've switched back to Hunters Axe and it's helping, but goddamn they gang up on you like bastards.

>Old Hunters lore mentions superstition that ''beast blood crept up the right leg''
>knight armors in the Vileblood chamber are all missing their right legs

lore

>>145305573
Boo fucking hoo.

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>>145306737
Deep

>tfw you wanna play with your friend
>tfw he's thirty levels over me and dies in cainhurst more than I do

I'M NOT EVEN THAT GOOD C'MON MAN

>>145302403
and why is memecolash not saying ahh namless moon presence or as some say paleblood

really it seems like they were trying to beckon her and got some invisible baby instead

>>145306737
and Gehrman doesn't have his right leg, and the decorative hunter's set has the brace on the right leg, and you inject blood vials into your right thigh

it's a stupidly deliberate theme

I'm more used to Dark Souls damage values; currently hitting for around 400 damage per strike with the Wheel. Is that a lot? I don't have any gems.

>>145307903
If Gehrnam doesn't have a right leg then how does he fight you so well when you refuse to "wake the fuck up"?

Anyone use the thread cane at +10 with 50 skill? I've never used it much and I'm starting a skill build, thinking of making it my main weapon but atm at only +2 it leaves something to be desired for sure.

>>145308908
I use the ARCane +10 with full Arc gems

There are better weapons to use if you're just going for a full SKL build

>>145308884
Apparently all you need is a peg leg to hunter dash

>>145308884
It's wooden or something, I forget

>>145309153
>>145309174
Pirate King Hunter when

post optimal stat distribution for arcane build

>>145309438
99 ARC, rest in vit I guess

>>145309116
I know that, I'll eventually get the church pick. But I've made skill builds before and neglected the cane.

>>145308512
Your damage could be so much higher

>>145303407
>We know it's the red moon descending that impregnates certain people (thus creating new cords).
Not really invested in this very much but that only applies to Oedon's kids, right? If Mensis knew about the cord and were looking for more why did they never find it? It was like six feet away in a really well known place.

>>145308512
That's pretty much DS damage values though

>>145309521
It's good
Use the tricked version more often than not
It's range is awesome

>>145308512
That's kinda pathetic famalam

Consider upgrading the weapon or your stats and maybe put some gems into it
Are you more Arc or Str?

What do you lot think From is gonna pull out this E3 more Sony Japan Colab I hope

>>145309859
I'm more Arcane; not done upgrading. I think I'm sitting at 25 STR and 44 ARC, with a +9 Wheel.

>>145309925
Dark Souls 3 DLC realistically.
I wish they made a new Bloodborne DLC though.

>>145309925
Cyber Souls I hope, I hear they were thinking about doing that

>>145310016
Are you using the 2H mode?

>>145309925
Miyazaki just confirmed today with 4gamer that they're working on 3 internal projects, only one of them is the new IP.

At e3 if there's any shit with Sony we should see it. Also DS3 dlc is likely.

>>145310085
He also confirmed there was no scifi being worked on atm

Sliders are the same in BB and DS3 right?

>>145310168
Yeah, mostly sticking to the 2H with one rev on it. 2 or 3 is good for boss melting, but also really risky. At 1, I'm hitting for 400 a strike, approximately.

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>>145310016
GET SOME SPINS IN THOSE SWINGS BOY

>>145309782
>When the red moon hangs low, the line between man and beast is blurred. And when the Great Ones descend, a womb will be blessed with child.

This is all we really know on the matter. Whether it only refers to Oedon's kids or not, we don't know. Whether Oedon is just an interpretation of Moon Presence, we don't know.

>If Mensis knew about the cord and were looking for more why did they never find it? It was like six feet away in a really well known place.

You mean the one gotten from Mergo's Wet Nurse? That was what they used to summon the kid in the first place.

>>145310267
absolutely not

>>145310352
Dang. I really wanted to make my DS3 waifu blood is so ugly in that game ;_;

>>145310228
Did he? I wasn't aware

>>145310317
Does it add that much? I figured my damage would still be decent without it.

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So I've done str, dex, and arcane but not bloodtinge... Is it worth it? I don't like the whole health drain thing on chikage but I think other aspects could be cool like guns and bloodletter.

>>145310725
You're using 2H anyway so why not?
If you suck so much at dodging and evading the only solution is to git gud

Health isn't even much of a problem with the Rally system, plus there's a rune where you can heal yourself using a visceral attack

If you're going to be using the 2H a lot use the Augur to parry

>>145310917
Do it
Complete the cycle

Has anyone even done a pure END or VIT build? How hilarious is it?

>>145310917
It's definitely worth it, all the blt weapons are fun.
Get just enough str to wield the bloodletter, 25 skill, 50 blt.
Upgrade Bowblade, Bloodletter, Chikage, Evelyn, Repeating Pistol and Blunderbuss.

>>145310343
>And when the Great Ones descend, a womb will be blessed with child
Well this part at least is obscure enough that Orphan makes sense. Orphan is an infant great one so it has to have a cord, and there wasn't a red moon for that. So there should be more than one way of getting cords.

>You mean the one gotten from Mergo's Wet Nurse
I'm talking about the one that was used to beckon Moon Presence. They knew who used it, so why didn't they bother looking for it if they wanted more cords? Even if they didn't know where it was exactly they would've found it in 5 seconds

>>145310494
anon is talking about the current shitstorm on gaf, one of the games is supposed to be an ARPG with a dark fantasy setting that doesn't have dark souls in the name

>>145311206
But I'm not that bad, my damage is just kinda eh. And I do use the 2H, it just doesn't add THAT much. 400 damage a blow with 2H and 1 rev.

Maybe I need Arcane gems?

does that door by the chest in the lower part of cathedral ward ever open? the one past the brick trolls and the ball and chain church giant

>>145311502
Why do you want to open it? It leads to the Cleric Beast bridge.
It only exists for lore reasons.

>>145311502
No, that's the same door near the Cleric Beast on the bridge.

>>145311327
I'm just saying it in general for all the others that are thinking of getting an ARC wheel

If you're getting yours gemmed up you better get the Lost Wheel first
Lost is better for Arc builds most of the time

>>145311705
FUCK

I SPENT AN HOUR FARMING CHUNKS TO GET THE THING TO +9

>>145311776
Don't worry anon, the gems you want are nourishing and by the time you get them you'll have enough chunks to +9 the Lost version. You were gonna need a Waning gem slot anyway.

>>145311303
>I'm talking about the one that was used to beckon Moon Presence. They knew who used it

That's assuming a lot about what they know. The note only ever says Laurence and his associates. The first hunters were an organisation dependant on secrecy, and I know people like to think that everyone in Byrgenwerth was in a happy family club and all knew each other and Micolash was some great pupil who was best friends with Laurence and Gehrman, but that's all entirely conjecture. They might not even be aware there's an Abandoned Old Workshop at all.

>>145311776
You'll need a normal one at +9 to kill everything you need to kill to get the Lost version anyway, and by the time you've killed everything you need to kill to get it you'll also drowning in chunks again. Calm down.

>>145311206
Alright, I'm going in for bloodtinge. LET'S RAGE

>>145310228
AHHHHHHHH FUCK I'M EXCITED
SONY's CONFERENCE BETTER SHOW A NEW CROSSOVER TITLE FUCK

>>145312616
Bloodborne x Hot Shots Golf

>>145312852
>Bloodtinge Drive swings
Dope

>>145311221
>Get just enough str to wield the bloodletter, 25 skill, 50 blt.
How the fuck do you do that while still having decent vit

>>145312210
>They might not even be aware there's an Abandoned Old Workshop at all.
eh, that's kind of a stretch. The church workshop was built almost right on top of it and they made a door going to it and everything. It's not hidden well enough to be some secret space no one knew anything about.

>>145313106
>he stops at 98

>>145313245
xD

>>145313178
Oh, and there were already whickity wack guys in the lower part of that area. If they were really looking it would've been really hard to miss.

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>>145313178
>It has a door therefore it must be well-known

Let's just ignore the fact that the entire point of the first hunters was secrecy and the access to it was a bunch of makeshit bridges which were since destroyed, then. Just because Laurence and Willem knew doesn't mean every motherfucker knew.

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>>145313480
No-one but you has been suggesting they would or should be looking for the Abandoned Old Workshop.

>>145309285
The second you beat Maria and wear her set to the Hamlet.

>>145313829
But that's not even the only reason I gave. How could people build a big tower so close to it and not notice it at all? It doesn't make much sense.

>>145314025
If you're going to be looking for a tiny thing why would you deliberately not check some of the most obvious places?

>>145311303
>an ARPG with a dark fantasy setting that doesn't have dark souls in the name
who wants to place bets that this is the one that's namco published

>>145315045
Ew.

>>145314346
>How could people build a big tower so close to it and not notice it at all?
The tower was already built before that. It's the access to Upper Cathedral Ward. And the School of Mensis didn't build the tower. And you're still assuming they know that's where the Church Workshop is despite the fact that's got basically fuck all to do with them beyond them being vaguely related to a third organisation. And then there's the fact Mensis wants to Hunt the Great Ones, Hunt the Great Ones, and the Choir, who are accessed via that tower, are responsible for communicating with and housing a Great One, and are invested in keeping the bitch alive. And the Choir and Mensis aren't exactly friendly with one another. And the Tower is behind a hidden door in the first place. But aside from all that you're really breaking new ground here.

>>145315045
inb4 announcement of Dark Souls III-2

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I wanna take Lady Maria's boots off!

>>145315606
that's a weird way of spelling panties

>>145315606
No you don't.

[s]You really don't...[/s]

>>145315606
You can, Anon! You can take them off her corpse!

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>>145315708
That will come later.

>>145315773
Oh, but I really do anon.

>open door in loran
>like 15 spiders
>even bl aoe can't save me now

WHAT THE FUCK FROM

>>145315326
wait what? You're confusing the shit out of me here.

First the tower wasn't built before the main hunter's workshop, it had to have been built afterward because there was no church for there to be church hunters or a cathedral ward or any of that shit when Gehrman was training his hunters. Second. now they don't know where the church workshop is either? And the tower isn't behind a hidden door, it's behind a locked one in one in an important building.

I don't really believe this at all anymore.

>gatling gun bullets don't hit individually

why live?

>>145315606
ew she kinda dead tho that's gross man

>>145316192
What does that mean? Do they hit collectively or something?

>>145313829
>>145315326
>>145316165
Jesus christ, it's not this convoluted guys
They tried to summon Kos but got Mergo instead. There.

>>145316882
Pretty much. The enemies will take about one hit per QS bullet burned. This is of course, utter bullshit.

>>145316898
They failed because they said Kos instead of Kosm

Help with Kenny Loggins?

Pass will be Mico

>>145317076
Well, if it did the gatling gun would be stupidly overpowered. It's already good enough as is so it's probably for the best that way.

>>145316898
Yeah I don't really know where this shit is going anymore. Everyone in Mensis being a neet even though their leader shitposts like one doesn't sound right at all, best to just leave it at that.

I was always disheartened from lorefagging because of that Loranon guy but it's actually a lot of fun

>Mitsubishi thinks DS3's disconnected levels are a failure of the game
maybe he didn't fuck us over for the money after all

>>145317678
>Well, if it did the gatling gun would be stupidly overpowered.

I imagine if it did then the damage would be split amongst the bullets. It would be more effective for crowd control though since you could actually spray them down without the foremost enemy just absorbing all the hits.

>>145316165
>First the tower wasn't built before the main hunter's workshop, it had to have been built afterward because there was no church for there to be church hunters or a cathedral ward or any of that shit

Upper Cathedral Ward, Anon. And the Choir predates the Church.

>Second. now they don't know where the church workshop is either?
The School of Mensis has absolutely fuck all to do with the Church Hunters. I'm not saying they definitely don't know where it is, just that there's no evidence whatsoever to suggest that they definitely without a doubt 10000% do like you're saying. Once again, people like to think that Micolash and Laurence were best buddies who had sleepovers and told each other everything, but there's not one shred of evidence proving that and only tangential evidence suggesting it to begin with.

Fuck me this argument is getting autistic.

>>145317253
Guess not

>>145316882
For every one bullet that hits four or so just pass through.

It can be alright in some instances since it means if the first bullet doesn't hit but they're moving and the fourth bullet does hit you can effectively still hit with one burst whilst only expending one bullet.

Yharnam Hunter set > Hunter set

I'm at 33/50, should I +10 Stake Driver or Ludwig's Holy Blade for fun

My main weapon is the Reiter anyway so I'm not really sure why I put so much in STR

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Finally killed the damn Chikage Hunter, all it took was 15 poison knives, two viscerals, 20 bullets and a lot of patience while he poisoned himself to death.

>>145317893
Dude, none of the Burgertown split stuff predates the first hunters. And this stopped being about evidence when someone said Mensis tried "drawing out Moon Presence" by beckoning another GO entirely, whichever one of you that was.

I do agree that the argument is autistic tho

>>145318606
Stake more fun but less useful.

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>>145318790
>none of the Burgertown split stuff predates the first hunters

I'm honestly not seeing what this has to do with anything. I'm going to go bully Maria, this discussion has clearly gone too far off course. I'm pretty sure the original point was about Moon Presence being the red moon thus the Paleblood Sky is Moon Presence to begin with, how the fuck we ended up here from that I don't even know.

>>145317232
This is the only logical answer

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>"Too proud to show your true face, eh?"

what did he mean by this?

>>145319364
He attacked you because he thought you were a beast, just like the other guys in central Yharnam.
He expected you to transform.

>>145319256
>how the fuck we ended up here from that I don't even know.

Welcome to /bbg/.

>>145319364
You didn't go BEAST MODE

>>145319256
First hunters were trained in the workshop. This was before the hamlet and before the split. Thus, the workshop was there before any of the choir or church shit was, so they had to build around it. Going back over the other posts I can't see how it was shrouded in much secrecy either.

You really need to go for a walk before you do anything else, unless you live in Camden in which case go visit an aquarium.

>>145319529
So now you can transform into beast mode at will? lmao

>>145319828
>This was before the hamlet and before the split.

[citation needed]

>>145319962
The suspicious beggar can do it

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>>145319697
THERE ARE NO BLEEDING ROCKS IN THE RESEARCH HALL

NUMBING

MIST

>>145320042
You have a point. How the fuck does he do it though?

>>145320048
Henryk is Loran

>>145319828
Upper Cathedral Ward existed you fucking pleb. The Choir took it over, they didn't build it.

>>145320181
Loran ==Lordran?

can someone post the "lts enough to make a man kek" image?

>>145320131
He's just that cool.

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>>145320252
>mfw people don't have this pic saved already

>>145319963
It has to be before the hamlet, because the first hunters were at the hamlet, and so it has to also be before the split, otherwise there would be no curse on Laurence because he wouldn't have been involved.

>>145320131
Maybe beast blood pellets?

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>>145320181
That I can buy. Not Loran, but from the same region at least.

>Dark skin
>Desert colours
>Throwing knives
>Bolt resistance

>>145319962
Maybe not at will, but he expected you to transform into one.
Kind of like he does.

>>145320430
>because the first hunters were at the hamlet

But do we have any evidence that anyone besides Gehrman and Maria were at the hamlet?

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>>145320469
>0 vials

>>145320567
You don't need to. They were both first hunters, Gehrman trained his pupils at the workshop, Maria was his pupil.

Does anyone need help killing a boss?

tfw community is so dead you can only get summoned at ludwig at a relative small amount of time

>>145320430
>otherwise there would be no curse on Laurence because he wouldn't have been involved

Ludwig, Amelia, Antal, and Yamamura weren't involved either, yet there they are.

>>145320641
FRC HBLB
bbg123
BL79

>>145320680
Because it was before the split. That way the curse carried on to all the hunters, not just the ones that still had ties to Bergenwyrth after it.

also
>Amelia

>>145320808
If you're going to try and tell me that she isn't Amelia you can just fuck off right now.

>>145320897
the TOH guide tells you she isn't amelia famgydala

>>145320801
>tfw l didn't explore chalice dungeons yet

l'm sure some other person from around here will go though

>>145320952
Prove it.

>>145321180
You're missing out on all of this agony

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>>145321293
Right in the OP friend.

Those two are unnamed church doctors. Amelia was not a church doctor, she was a vicar.

>>145321524
The Nightmare depicts the past and she obviously wasn't born a Vicar, I don't accept that as proof she isn't Amelia. You find her in the exact same place in the exact same state saying the exact same things. Next you'll tell me that guy beneath her isn't Antal because it says Yahar'gul Hunter but he's a defector so can't be a Yahar'gul Hunter because he defected.

Give me the ARC build breakdown, friends
What am I in for and is it worth the trouble

>>145322042
Obviously, but it doesn't seem to work like that. It's not depicting Laurence or Ludwig's past selves, it's showing us how they were right when they died.

>>145322042
>You can't prove she ISN'T Amelia!

That's not how this shit works, anon. You made the statement that she's Amelia, so the burden of evidence falls squarely on you. And if you even think that the church sermon is evidence, it's by a different fucking voice actor, so there's that.

Fuck off.

>>145322276
>That's not how this shit works
but that's literally what the last 3 overblown retarded arguments have been focused around

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Holy moonlight sword bl 98 build, yes or nay?

>>145322540
>38 STR
>not even enough skill to wield the weapon
nay

>>145322276
Anon, I said I don't accept that as proof she isn't Amelia. I couldn't give a fuck about whether you do or not.

>>145321524
Unless it says in plain english that Church Doctors can't also be Vicars, Amelia is still that Church Doctor. She even says the exact same lines of dialogue as Vicar Amelia, by extension she has the exact same voice actor as Amelia.

>>145322215
You going for the Kos Parasite?

>>145322540
bruh just do pure arc if you haven't yet, it's about as good as builds in the soulsborne games get

but if you've already done that and my shilling is wasted on you then yes that's fine, maybe give up a little endurance and put it into arc

>>145322709
No idea, that's why I'm asking
I want to be a Moonlight Sword baller but from what I know that's more of a hybrid build

>>145322042
>exact same place

What the actual shit are you talking about?

It's not even close to the same place.

>>145322491
I don't give a shit what the other kid did.

>>145322631
Shut the fuck up. You have no idea how Burden of Evidence even works. You made the statement, so it's on YOU to prove it. Nobody here is responsible for disproving your retard hypothesis. You don't have jack shit that proves it as fact, and that's the end of the discussion.

Nobody here has to entertain your retardation. Either provide some concrete fact that proves your dumb idea or shut the fuck up about it.

>>145322630
lt scales with arcane too right? all stats cap at 25 so shouldnt 35str/25 arc do more damage than 50str/15 arc?

I just bullied the Loran Darkbeast with the Stake Driver (rubbed slug juice all over it of course) and I feel pretty good about myself

Too bad the charged R2 doesn't work on anything faster than him

>>145322856
dude the sword requires 12 skl to wield and that build doesn't even have that
and the sword is a quasi-quality weapon, it benefits more from skill when you reach the 25 str cap

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>>145322830
>Shut the fuck up. You have no idea how Burden of Evidence even works. You made the statement, so it's on YOU to prove it.

You've gotten real mad real quick here. I honestly don't understand why you're so upset because I choose to believe something you choose to not believe. Have a coke and calm the fuck down, spergo.

>>145322987
I manage to pull off charged R2s all the time.

It's risky as fuck, but definitely possible. You've got to start charging BEFORE an attack animation is done, meaning most of the time you don't know what kind of attack is coming next, but it's possible.

>>145323097
Not him, but

>make stupid claim
>someone asks for proof
>YOU CANT DISPROVE IT UMAD?!?!?

come on man are you even trying?

>>145322793
There are two Grand Cathedrals in the Nightmare, Anon.

>>145322786
Yeah, the only thing on that, which scale with Arcane is the Tricked Charge Attack projectile, and i think its L2 as well, but not much else. (It's a gimmick more than anything else)

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>>145322540
this is probably the best you can get out of a 98bl build for that weapon

>>145322793
>kneeling in front of an altar
>that has Laurence's Skull underneath it
>saying the exact same incantation/prayer as Amelia
>same voice actress

Also it is the same place weirdly, even though the Cathedral is clearly in the beginning area, the building Amelia is in is structurally connected to the Lumenflower Garden in the exact same way as Cathedral Ward is (through the window).

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>>145323097
>Why are you attacking this stupid theory I claimed was fact?
>Why can't you disprove this theory I provided no evidence for myself?
>Why are you getting mad at me?

Yeah. Get out.

>>145323218
No there aren't. The room with the two hunters is the Orphanage.

>>145323317
>violent past
just no, cruel fate is the correct one
I'd go with 25/25/25 and 49 vit and 19 end

>>145323346

The flow of geography is convoluted in Yharnam

>>145322636
As the other anon said, the voice work isn't exactly the same, and all the other notable characters (and the generics too) in the nightmare show up exactly the way they did when they were blood addled/killed, so having this one exception really isn't at all probable.

And being realistic here for a second, if it really were Amelia, Future Press would've been given her name instead of some generic one. We've gotten so many names purely through their interaction with From on this.

>>145323346

see:
>>145323429

Yes, it's connected to the room through the window that also exists in the waking world, which is notable NOT the grand cathedral.

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>>145323201
Are you unable to read? It went like this

>You find Ludwig, Antal, Yamamura, and Amelia in the Nightmare (in reference to something about Laurence, I can't remember by this point)
>That's not Amelia
>Prove it
>(Picture from guidebook)
>Nah I don't buy it
>FUCK OFF BURDEN OF EVIDENCE ON YOU FUCK

I never ran around shouting AMELIA = NIGHTMARE = FACT DEBATE ME PLEBS

Loranon has made some of you fucks really paranoid. Everybody just chill.

>>145323567
Okay sorry. You're right.

>...Amelia...
>That ain't Amelia
>Prove it
>(proof)
>I don't like your proof. UMAD?!?!?!

>>145323546
>which is notable NOT the grand cathedral
Yes it is. You can see Crowsteel from up there if he's waiting in the Grand Cathedral.

>>145323567
>Loranon meme
also let's not pretend that there's only one person arguing with you here, the amelia point didn't really have anything to do with the rest of that discussion, which is now over since there are no objections.

>>145323346
Voice actress means nothing, anon. That same voice actress plays Iosefka's Imposter and Adella.

Are they Vicar Amelia too?

>>145323667
I never said UMAD?!?!?! or anything of the sort, he or should I say (You) just got all mad on his own. This whole thing is baffling, really.

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I'm sure this became irrelevant 4 hours ago into the conversation, but Lecture Building was part of Byrgenwerth, not the school of Mensis.

>>145323728

Adella is definitely Iosefka

>everyone thinks the person they're arguing with has no idea what they're talking about

you guys don't know shit about people having no clue
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=206585861&postcount=352

>>145324104
that hasn't been relevant for a few weeks

>>145323567
>I don't have to prove anything myself!
>You have to disprove my theory!
>I will never accept any evidence against my theory, and only I am fit to judge it!
>STOP YELLING AT ME A BLOO BLOO BLOO

>>145323846
It's only baffling to you because you don't understand how an actual debate works. If you make a statement, it's your job to support that statement with evidence, not everyone else's job to provide evidence against it first.

Failure to provide evidence means that we can dismiss your claim as unsubstantiated conjecture. In fact, that's what I'm going to do until you provide some actual evidence to your claim. THEN we can talk about it.