/gsg/ - Grand Strategy General

Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.

>2018
>heard of this great historically accurate grand strategy game
>bought all 437 dlc at 95% off, what a sale, it only cost 249$
>launch crusader kings 2: ultimate legendary complete edition
>disable sunset invasion
>pick the 624 start
>play as native american eagle lord spearing wind rabbit
>increase eagle authority
>load my troops into boats and start raiding the tupi
>oh shit another tribe declared war on me
>expel the jews so i can afford mercenaries
>also hire teutonic knights
>take care of them easily
>appoint anti shaman
>extribalate pesky squaw so i can revoke his squawies
>event
>oh shit forgot to disable the rise of china dlc
>chinese horde approaches from alaska
>conquers all territority in sight with their 183k army
>conquers me and takes all my caciques
>game over

>>144935990
how does he do it lads?

also MEGA for HOI4 when?

>>144935990
>1 unique IP
>being so autistic and hungry for attention that you HAVE to post this shit before announcing your thread in the old one, so you appear first

Literally kys yourself

I hope they fix the terrible border gore, then I think the game would
Be actually pretty good and not so shitty honestly

>Of course it will be good.
>After about 4 DLCs and a full conversion mod.

What's that based on? EU4 is still shit after 8 DLCs and countless mods. CK2 was good and then went to shit because of dlcs.

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>>144935971
WE

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>>144936113
>kys
pic related

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first for best Germany

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>>144935971
>few remaining Nazi units helping the Romanians fight off the Soviet invasion
Neat

>>144936198
Is paradox really that fucking retarded I'm playing fascist DESIGNATED and the leader is a chinese man.

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>>144936095
>Cacique

I know what you're doing. Tread carefully, my hue friend.

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How do I annex Mengkukuo, I can only peace out Japan

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/vg/ told me I couldnt defeat Japan without factories, you see capitalist scum, our people are factories, they are weapons and they are expendable.

>>144936448
this looks so disgusting
release italy and germany as puppets when

guys its 1956 and we're still at war
i feel like the US will never surrender at this point

>>144936567
Do your troops have any equipment at all?

How did they fix the Monroe Doctrine in HOI4?

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How do you get the trait strong basileus?

I thought it was simply being coronated, I'm now on my 4th roman ruler and I can't use imperial reconquest any more

>>144936567
what happened to nationalist china, did you annex them before japan invaded?

>>144936732
just nuke them

>>144936567
>/vg/ told me

You went around to every general on /vg/?

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>>144936750
>Australia can leave the British Empire by pressing a button

What do you think?

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>>144936745
SMGs, you see when our eyes are as thin as the Japanese courage you fight better spraying without aim.

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>>144936667
When the war is over. When they capitulated, I thought that'd be it. Guess not. Also, Japan got dragged into this war too, so I gotta take care of them. To be fair, though, seeing Zeroes flying around Europe was kinda funny.

Unfortunately, the Japs are still kicking and the Italians and Spanish still control large swathes of land in Afrca.

Would help if the game wasn't running at a snails pace too.

>>144936780
Double teamed them with Japan.
I was slowly winning before Japan invaded, the nazi voluntaries were a pain though

>>144936750
The American guarantees don't apply to other Americans.

>>144936780
they have over 1000 fighter planes on both coasts
and all my factories and shit are repairing dude to the soviets and the european theater

also the fact that japan decided it was a good idea to declare war on every country in south and central america

>>144936095
a man can only dream for such a meme game

>>144937013
Dedicating just 5 of those factories to support equipment will allow you to create divisions with recon, engi, maintenance and the supply stuff all in one, which will in turn increase the efficiency of your divisions by more than 50%

t. optimization autist

>>144937189
Oh, thanks. I think I'll download it them.

>>144936173
HoI IV is already a 10/10 game. It doesn't need any DLC or updates.

>>144937382
I dont see how that fits into my grand strategy of throwing millions of angry chinks in the general direction of Japan

What does the Indian National Army event from the Japanese national focus tree do?

>>144937564
t. johan

>>144937586
Either in supporting battalions, or even better - AA. Fill most of your divisions with AAs and the whole Japanese air strength becomes completely useless and you receive full air dominance without even having a single fighter.

>>144937414
>>144937189
this is true until USA gets the Pax Americana national focus which allows them to intervene, but you should have all of south america by then because they usually dont get it until later (if you're starting in '36)

Honestly the only really bad thing in HOI4 is the AI.

If they just fixed it it would easily be a 9/10

Bros...

If I start in 1936, how many civilian factories should I be building for minor or major factions? Like should I just queue all my open slots for civilian factories? Then build military once war starts to break out? And how many military factories would be too many? Is there some sort of ideal civilian to military factory ratio I should be shooting for?

Loving the game, but I can't tell if I'm doing factories right.

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>>144937734
Not a single Jap aircraft straffed me yet, they are all at Manchuria with the Russians, which explains their casualties.

>>144937864
And the border gore/ahistorical parts that are 100% absurd

>>144937864
And the map.

And arrows being completely retarded and uncontrollable.

And the absolute failure at "redesigning" how the units look like

I don't understand why they got rid of militia units in HOI4.

I just tried to play japan and I actually got curb stomped by the Chinese because they had way more troops than I did despite having inferior technology. However, since they had infantry units like me, they could easily destroy my army with constant stacks of 10+

idk maybe I'm just bad and I don't know how to play Japan

>>144937864
And the peace conference system.

>>144938014
how dumb are you that you can't easily move two pins to create an attack line

>>144937864
saying this over and over doesn't make it true.

>>144938142
I want more control of where my arrows point at.

With the current system, it automatically chooses from an arbitrary existing arrow, instead of the one I want to branch off from.

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>spend all day crushing the Comintern Pact
>finally reach Leningrad

>>144937864
And the retarded production system

And the tech trees

And the combat

>>144937934
make civil factories for one or two years then start preparing for the war.

civil factories are important in that they are used for construction of building s and are needed for trade.
Usually I get about 30 or mroe civilian factories if i'm a major, 15 or more if im a minor, then i start building stuff like airbases and dockyards if I don't have any and military factories.

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>>144938284
>this is the result of the peace conference
Yeah, no.

This is fucking bullshit.

I didn't spend all these hours obliterating three and a half million Soviet troops and marching my armies across thousands of miles of bullshit to end up with Mongolia and change while the result of the coup I started to draw Soviet troops away from the front line gets all the fucking territory I conquered.

I'm so glad I didn't pay for this game.

As a HoI virgin, would 4 be a good start?

>>144938284
24/24
why not just use a field marshall dumbass

>>144938305
retarded production system?
shits way better than constantly having to move around sliders in hoi3

>>144938504
wtf is up with your armies, ever heard of a field marshal?

>>144938505
Going back to /v/ would be a good start.

I'm starting a game as (a soon to be) Communist France. Can you offer any advice on how to grab as much territory before the Allies start issuing guarantees? Would it be a bad idea to instigate fascist coups in Iraq and Siam so that the British don't guarantee them?

>>144938505
HOI3 would be a good start.

>>144938542
>>144938667
It's called spreading shit out to conquer vast swaths of uninhabited bullshit, you fucking morons.

>>144938505
HoI3

ignore 4

>>144938792
or you can just draw a line to moscow with an army of 200 dum dum

>>144938868
And then I have a narrow path to Moscow surrounded by enemy territory.

>>144938504
We know, peace conference system is broken. Just pretend the game ended before the conference.

>>144938667
>He doesn't like moving sliders

Neo-/gsg/, ladies and gentlemen.

>>144938941
hello steamgroup

>>144938792
Field Marshals are actually better because they can get a trait called Offensive Doctrine which reduces combat width by 10%, allowing you to fit more shit into divisions and still be able to have 4 divisions attack into a province from a single direction.

>>144938504
>coup disallowing you to take any land
same bullshit happened to me

>>144939005
t. bobo

>>144938941
>steam group

Have you read the OP?

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Noodle Niggers go home.

>>144938505
HOI3 with the Black ice mod is the best option for newcomers.

>>144938669
HOI4 was my first and I haven't been on /v/ in 4 years

>>144939172
this

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>>144938941

>>144939172
I was just saying that I think HOI3 would be a good start to the series because I find it to be pretty good once you get past the learning curve of it. It's like I'm not able to have an opinion without being called (place meme here).

>declare war on the allies
>first day "naval invasion warning"
>land armies at 2 different points behind my lines in a couple of days

well gg campaign

>>144939289
If anything 4 is a better start because it's easier to learn and braces you for the autism

If you don't want anything deeper than 4 you're a casual anyway and could never play 3

>>144939209
>HPM will surely go away if we speak about games
>HoI4 being popular will move the first post
These people are extremely dumb

>>144939209
All this HOI4 posting is the steamgroup and not newfags?

If people hate OP so much why don't they just create the OP before him?

>>144938421
Thanks.

>>144939431
Yeah so that's why I said 3 because GS shouldn't really be a causal thing and should stay a niche genre, but that's been ruined already so so much for that.

More stories, less bitching.

>>144939529
The only people that hate the OP is the steamgroup

>>144939416
That page is public

>>144939529
Do you know the wall Trump wants to build to keep away mexicans?

OP is that Wall. The steamgroup are the mexicans

>>144939567
Someone who's never played any GS before should absolutely not start with HOI3, 4 is only good for being an introduction because everyone has to start somewhere

>>144939612
>That page is public
That is exactly what a steam group shitposter would want us to believe.

You keep posting disinfo and lies but nothing can hide the fact that you are leading an organized raid against this thread which is illegal.

>>144939416
Nice disinfo, Cobra. The page is visible to anyone. Keep up your epic raid on the thread though, bro.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/740635823377403904
WIZ TWEETED A MEME AND RANGERAGE REPLIED TO HIM

>>144939695
I'm not saying any GS, I'm saying HOI. Oh god no, HOI3 would be a horrible start.

>>144939812
Don't reply, they just want to shit the thread.

>>144939834
who the fuck is rangerage and why should i care?

>>144939925
He's part of the steam group too, faggot.

link to steam group?

>>144939935
>who the fuck is rangerage
GTFO newfag redditard

The offending posts have been deleted.

Anyone who mentions HOI4 from this point on will be banned permanently no exceptions, this is your final warning.

>>144939416
kek, steamgroup IRREVOACABLY BTFO by based janny.

>>144940061
Hoi4 is best girl

>>144939431
3 isn't even as "deep" as EU4.

Shouldn't China be two different ideology tags of the same nation, so you don't end up with the Republic of China and the Chinese Republic, or the Peoples Republic of China and the Republic of People's China? Would also open up for other nations to mess around and end their civil war.

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>>144939061
Half a million noodles in there, delicious.

>>144940061
This

GTFO steamgroup Raiders
>>144940183
>>144940183
>>144940183

>>144940173
(you)

>>144940261
Wrong thread

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I think I just broke something.

>>144940261
Wrong thread
>>144940183

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for more proof, this is the page of yung yohan, known shitposter in virtually all of the steamgroups.

>>144940301
Name one thing in HoI3 that wasn't just as deep and better implemented in HoI2.

>>144940396
Wrong thread
>>144940183

>>144940530
Literally the entirety of combat, where you couldn't just put an army of 150 units on a front line on draw a meme arrow to the other side of the country

>>144940263
>>144940415
>>144940546

Why, what does this accomplish

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Just a heads up, the steamgroup is organizing a raid

These are the people who want their """""""""""mods"""""""""" in the OP and that hate HPM and the infopic

>>144940618
I don't think you've ever played HoI2.

>>144940621
See the first post in this thread.

>>144940696
Why are you even talking about 3 and 2?

My fucking claim was that 3 was deeper than 4, which it is to anyone who's played both games

>>144940710
How the fuck is HOI4 shitposting? It's a fucking GS game, no matter how you want to look at it.

>>144940831
Wrong thread

>>144940263
>radical yugoslavia literally takes its name and picture from HoI4
>there are people surprised that they're behind the shitposting

>>144940886
Jesus Christ my dude

>>144940886
kys

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What's the deal with truces? I've got a truce with this guy for another year yet he's raiding me and apparently this isn't grounds to end the truce and kick his shit in.

>>144941151
Wrong thread

>>144941208
Wrong thread

>>144941151
Raids aren't formal wars, so he can do whenever he want
You also can shit on his raiders whenever you want

>>144940969
Where's this "my dude" thing from?

>>144940802
It's not deeper than HoI4 either. Why don't you post an aspect where it's deeper than HoI4, then? You haven't done that either.

The combat system is very similar in the two.
And no, having configurable AI battle plans doesn't make the game less deep than having a button which you activate to make your units conquer whatever province you right click on.

>>144941280
It's from something, but I honestly can't remember.

>>144941280
t. reddit

>>144941329
>The combat system is very similar in the two.
What is order of battle

>>144941329
Wrong thread

>>144941329
funny coming from someone who has NEVER played HoI3. fuck off steamgroup scum.

>>144941365
Not the combat system. It's a system for applying passive bonuses like leaders in HoI2 or HoI4.

It's not deep either, it's extremely shallow and can be fully explained in 1 sentence. Pretty much. Are you one of those autists who confuses complexity and depth? I will grant you the OOB system is complex as fuck.

>>144941329
Supply, supply lines, OOB, combined arms, absence of magic bonus for plans

>>144941329
Barbarossa in HOI3
>At least 4 infantry and 2 Panzer armies needed, high chance of USSR taking back gains, literally autism incarnate to pull it off against non-easy AI

Barbarossa in HOI4
>Draw an arrow to Moscow and stretch it down from Leningrad to Stalingrad with 100 divisions

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>>144937031
British and Dutch forces have made landfall on the Japanese mainland, even in spite of the naval battle raging between the remnants of the IJN and a combined British-Swedish fleet off the coast of Shikoku.

Resistance seems light, so far. Most of the IJA were killed off during the wars against China, or the first Swedish invasion of the Japanese mainland softened them up for us. Either way works for us.

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>>144940061
oh, okay.

RoTK10 Sunset Invasion when?

>>144941568
>literally autism incarnate to pull it off against non-easy AI

Someone should post the gif. It's beautiful.

>>144941617
Wrong thread
>>144940183

>>144941617
>Straits when troop transport is literally sending your men over water

PARADOX WHY

>>144941660
Here's the youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_3365940239&feature=iv&src_vid=Loa9JOnJSMI&v=quEKyzdj_LU

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>>144941658
Daily reminder Koei beat has paradox beat in this game
>tfw bought ck2 hoping id be even a bit close to Rotk10
>tfw no game will reach rotk10
fuark imagine having a battlefeild to actually control your troops

>>144941745
Wrong thread
>>144940183

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>>144935971
I'm scared

>>144941817
No this one, dude. The one full of cutting supply lines and shit.

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>>144941464
Played it plenty, ain't my hierarchy beautiful?

>>144941567
All of those except supply lines are in HoI2, all of them except "magic plans" are in HoI4.

>>144941568
It's hard because of Soviet division spam, it's not hard because the mechanics are deep or complex.

>>144941873
Pretty common

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You're all in the right thread

/thread

t. Johan

>>144942063
How do I prevent my impending doom

>>144941873
wrong thread buddy
>>144940183

>>144942052
None of those are in HoI4.
Supply in HoI4 doesn't matter at all. There's no OOB. Combined arms is done with mana.

>>144942204
restart since late game is trash

>>144941776
>Wrong thread
>>144940183

>>144942204
>>144942231
>>144942270
Wrong thread
>>144940183

>>144941873
>Germany always become some supra magnum groß germanium

I'm loving this meme.

>>144941983
This autism needs to stop. I totally understand denying that Stellaris is a grand strategy game, but you cannot deny, no matter how bad you believe the game is, that HOI4 is not a grand strategy game. Spamming more generals with your shitty opinions only makes good, slow generals get removed faster.

This general would be 100% better if you all just focused on playing the games and not talking about playing the games. This is quite honestly one of the worst generals on /vg/

>>144941983
This autism needs to stop. I totally understand denying that Stellaris is a grand strategy game, but you cannot deny, no matter how bad you believe the game is, that HOI4 is not a grand strategy game. Spamming more generals with your shitty opinions only makes good, slow generals get removed faster.

This general would be 100% better if you all just focused on playing the games and not talking about playing the games. This is quite honestly one of the worst generals on /vg/

>>144942052
>Put every single division in a huge stack and draw a meme arrow
>vs
>Having to organize the oob and control the operation from different shock points

Are you retarded? You just showed him how HOI3 is more complex.

>>144942353
>This general would be 100% better if there was no discussion at all

?

Sorry not everyone who's played a GS game before sees HOI4 as Civ-tier

>using 3D models

cancer

>>144942353
I blame the discord fags for making the old guard paranoid about stellmemeus. It's really suspicious how nobody cared about what was considered GS till the closing days of the liquor war

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What's with all the autistic memes in this place? I posted a game with Germany yesterday and I got swarmed by "HAHAHA GROßGERMANIUM XDDD" posts. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU EXPECT A NEW PLAYER TO POST YOU FUCKING AUTISTS??

And before that I asked a simple question on how I crack the game and I again got swarmed by fucking autists with all their unfunny inside jokes. Fuck you and fuck those games, they are literally one of the most boring shit I've ever touched. Also fuck the guy in /twg/ who suggested I try out those autistic map painting simulators and "ask for guidance on the /gsg/ general and they will help you". Bunch of manchildren.

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This world is going to get really interesting.

>>144942659
>HAHAHA GROßGERMANIUM XDDD
>this pasta again
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/text/HAHAHA%20GRO%C3%9FGERMANIUM%20XDDD/

>>144942231
Supply in HoI3 doesn't matter any more than it does in HoI4. I don't even bother looking at the supply situation in HoI3. In fact I played a game as Italy without ever opening supply map mode or controlling my divisions. Just clicked AI on the division HQ and right clicked provinces I liked.

Fucking demolished UK in Africa, and then Soviet Union from Baku. Too bad the AI Germany is retarded, couldn't take Moscow for like over a year and then got invaded by USA.

OOB is a generic term by the way, it doesn't refer to the autism hierarchy.

>>144942448
I didn't say HoI3 isn't complex, I said it's shallow. Complexity does not equal depth. Also you can just click the AI button on the theater HQ and right click a province. It works unless you're mentally crippled about IC management.

>>144942659
Go back to playing your meme RTS with literally the most simple combat ever of cavs on le flanks with le high leadership infantry in core

Best method of invading britain?

I want to get it done before 1940; it's 1938 and I've already annexed Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Netherlands, and France.

Mass paratroopers and air superiority, or naval invasion?

>>144942703
Wrong thread
>>144940183

>>144942781
>Supply in HoI3 doesn't matter any more than it does in HoI4.
Yes it does
A unit out of supply in HoI3 is absolutely fucked while in HoI4 they can hold for a long ass time

No, OOB especially refers to the system in hoi3

>>144942472
I think you misunderstood what I meant. Here is an example of a good post about the game >>144942703
and this pasta is the perfect example of what not to do >>144942659. Play the games, post you playing the games, reply to others playing the games. Don't get into these meta bullshit wars. Don't start them, and don't reply to them.

flat map mod when?

>>144942823
Wrong thread
>>144940183

>>144942781
>Also you can just click the AI button on the theater HQ and right click a province

No, you can't. You need to micro Barbarossa.

> I played a game as Italy without ever opening supply map mode or controlling my divisions.

Because you never invaded someone across the sea. You can literally lose the whole invasion, because of one province.

>>144942703
why is there a russian civil war going on, communists vs who?

>>144942945
okay, but how do I invade britain?

>>144942823
mass paratroopers and air superiority

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrV8ljl56CA

>>144942823
Naval is impossible unless you're autistic and upgrade it (for some reason)

Just do >>144943084 until the DLC fixes it

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>>144942984
Seems to be a generic event, it always happens in that same place, is non-aligned, and has event text about an officer revolt.
Also, is China maybe just a little OP? I don't really have the forces to do anything other than watch my allies do most of the work, and they are holding their own against the Soviets (fighting a revolt now), all their puppets, and Japan.

>>144942353
You realise it's bait right?

>>144942952
in the vanilla game you can desu

hoi4s system is still a shit heap

>>144942823
the ai is garbage
i conquered britain pre 1940 by sending 20 troops over with the default naval invasion (so two separate journeys)

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I fixed the stupid glowing borders!

The map is actually quite nice under all that shit

>>144943234
that sounds like what happens when russia doesnt do the great purge or doesnt assassinate trotsky.

also
>german and italian divisions in china

reminder to report and ignore shitposting

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Its the end of anime.

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I let a dejure county in my realm slip into someone else's hands. I want it back but I can only get it back through war with the Byzantine Emperor, my own liege.

The county is in another duchy's control, I don't want to fight the entire Byzantine Empire to get it...I don't know how else to get it though?

>>144943338
does your coastlines go bright white when you removed the gradients?

>>144938505
Avoid them all.

Every Hoi series fails to due pacific or Atlantic theaters any justice.

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>>144943369
Are you saying you wouldn't send expeditionary forces to this fight? I'm surprised the allies aren't helping out as well.

Is there a good comparison review with HoI3 available for HoI4?

I liked a lot of HoI3, but I had issues with large troop movements (which always become pretty inevitable). I kinda get conflicting reports if HoI4 is better in this regard.

Also, can you really choose what to arm your infantry and tanks and stuff with? Kind of custom design them more than "you always want the highest tech available"?

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>tfw you keep thinking HOI4 thumbnails are EU4

The maps are too similar

Hey /gsg/ I started playing a multiplayer game in HoI 4 (a few friends. 2 of them are co-playing Germany. Im Russia and I have a friend as Britain) and I was wondering for some advice. What are good division templates, in particular the support brigades for an Infantry Division and an Armor division.

My Infantry currently has Engineers, hospitals, Arty, AT, and logistics.
My tanks are Engineers, arty, Logistics, and maintenance.

What do you guys find are the best set up?

>>144943641
Wrong thread
>>144940183

>>144936095
>rise of china dlc
Imagine trying to fight Tang or Song as an OPM shitter in the east
It's like the mongol invasion but 1000 times worse

>>144943492
Darkest hour has good pacific theater action

Does anyone else miss OOB for the sole reason of not liking the billion troops listed in a flat list making divisions impossible to fucking find?
I don't miss the actual HQ units that much but for fuck's sake I don't want to assign literally every 4-division attack squad to an army so I can find out where it is and keep it together
Also fuck their UI with their theatre shit it looks so fucking ugly

>>144936448
>map is flat
How do you do this
upload mod for pirates pls

>>144943338
>white mountaintops
>riverbanks
>no vomit borders
gib mod pls

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>wrong thread

>>144943943
nice falseflag cobra, you're the one trying to force HoI4 here to kill off HPM

>>144943881
Hell no

>>144943943
The steamgroup and discord is pro HOI4 and stellaris. You're wrong

Wrong thread
>>144940183

>wrong thread
Where the fuck are the mods? Nobody's actually going to that fucking general right? They'll push actually good generals off.

>>144943538
usually japan takes over china until they join the world war and americans and british fuck everything up

>>144943695
rn im using 2x4 infantry divisions + 1 artillery with recon, logistics, hospital, engineer, and artillery on support battalions
once you get a field marshal with the offensive doctrine trait you can add another artillery because the trait reduces combat width by 10%

for armor divisions i use 4 light tanks and 2 motorized infantry with the same support battalions.
Haven't tried medium tanks or heavy tanks yet but if your economy can handle it you should transition to medium tanks eventually.

>>144943937
you can set multiple attack lines and divide your divisions in an army among them. if you hover over the arrow it highlights the divisions that are following that order/plan.

Alright boys what mods are we making? WW1? Kaiserreich? Napoleonic Wars? Cold War?

>>144936105
>also MEGA for HOI4 when?
Never. MEGA anon left us 3 months ago

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why the hell is my faction SECOND

>>144944078
>actually good generals
This board has a few good generals, which won't be pushed off by one autist's thread, rest is pretty much only there for shitposting

>>144944167
>>144944231
None because HOI4 isn't GS and doesn't belong here
>>144940183

A day may come when the mods stop fapping on /gif/ and ban shitposters

But it is not this day

>>144944140
>you can set multiple attack lines and divide your divisions in an army among them. if you hover over the arrow it highlights the divisions that are following that order/plan.
I know but I like the utility OOB had as a set of organizational tools. It's much easier to figure out what's where with OOB.
Also I don't really use battle plans.

>>144944167
We're setting the 'Purge the Autist' national focus first before he kills /gsg/ and /vg/ with it.

>>144944279
Except stuff like /mbg/ is slow. The 'good' generals aka ones free of memeposting are slow as fuck, and therefore they'll be the first to fall off.

>>144944320
>all the other HoIs belong here
>HoI4 doesn't because memegruppe and discord say so
Fuck off to your containment shithole, Bobo

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>>144944267
why the hell is my faction SECOND

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>>144944167
BICE confirmed they're making a mod for Hoi4

also theres a couple TBD mods on moddb like this ww1 one i found:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/hearts-of-iron-iv-the-great-war1

>>144944231
He was active a month ago, he's probably busy with something these days

>tfw actually having fun
>solid foundation, with some easy fixes to GB manpower, German AI, and naval invasion frequency, removing automatic military access

Game is already better than HOI3 and DH, which were basically "Japan sits there uselessly, Germany is on rails: the Game"

>>144944320
>>144944424
Who the fuck are you? What's a grand strategy by your definition?
HoI 2, DH, and 3 are all GS but HoI 4 isn't because it's casual and boring?
No seriously, define a GS, because the arguments against Stellaris were mainly 'not at all historically based' and 'symmetrical start'. Do we have to kick out DH and HoI 3 too? How about EUIV, I mean it has exploration? CK2, it has a fantasy scenario and character editors.

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>>144944413
Also obligatory "Believable worlds "

>>144944563
It's the discord guys being autistic again, just report and ignore.

>>144944413
It says it right there, America has a metric fuckton of planes and more industry.

>>144944639
Reporting ain't doing shit and last time we ignored he actually fucking forced a general through sheer autism.

>>144944529
I'm here. I already said I don't usually add scene stuff, unless they get rare. You can find a download of HoI4 pretty much anywhere, so there's no point in it going in the archive. Once I buy the game I can package updates so it will go in the archive

>>144944556
This. The game is a huge meme at the moment but will be easy to fix with mods

>>144944563
Stellaris and HOI4 aren't GS because they are 4x. Even EU4 is more complex than these games. You have to leave
>>144940183

>>144944673
>it says right there
America is part of my faction dummy but its still behind the chinks

>>144944563
fuck off back to your steamgroup

>>144944592
i think the problem is paradox probably tested the game with multiplayer games where people aren't going to make retarded peace treaties like the AI is doing.
i honestly like the way peace conferences work but they obviously need to be tweaked somehow

>>144944676
this is exactly what he said right before stellaris got banned kek

the report and ignore autist strikes again

>>144944690
>wrong thread fellas
This post >>144944563 has nothing to do with HoI 4, it's asking you a question because you're spamming this thread and so my question belongs specifically in this thread.

>>144944738
>>144944776
>they're 4x
Stellaris can be considered 4x if you want but HoI 4 has neither exploration nor expansion since expansion doesn't include conquering.
Fuck off.

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>>144943475
Nah, I dont know what the other guy who did this (you?) Fucked up

>>144944413
1953? When does the game end

>>144944738
And what do you explore in HoI4? Before you answer, allow me to remind you that exploring your fat rolls to find your micropenis to jerk off to a portrait of Hitler does not counter.

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WE WUR HONORBRU KANZ

>>144944848
Kill yourself Cobra.

>>144944868
'54

>>144944848
It's still 4x because it's not complex enough or accepted here now fuck off back to your thread
>>144940183

>>144944853
>>144944881
Wrong thread
>>144940183

>>144944868
once everyone against my faction is dead and im the only faction I will end this game
>>144944824
even on the multiplayer side the ammount of points you can spend per turn is way too fucking high. more variables also need to be added for an actaul believable world

Even /twg/ during their worst fantasy shitstorms isn't as bad as this thread
Hell even /ksg/ is better
When will autism fuck off?

>>144944853
How does you do this? Gib mod or gib guide

>>144944868
He modded it.

>>144944938
t. Cobra

>>144944973
>It's still 4x because it's not complex enough
Complexity has nothing to do with 4x, Aurora is 4x and far more complex than any GS game posted in this thread. 4x is Explore Expand Exploit Exterminate, and HoI4 lacks two of those. Sorry mate.
>or accepted here
Are you the entire thread?

>>144944983
HOI4 is an RTS and doesn't belong here, stellaris is 4x and doesn't belong here

>>144940183

>>144944983
go shitpost elsewhere

>a mobile game by Paradox Interactive
Made me laugh to be honest, next time you create it make it a "Facebook game"

>>144945082
Meant to say it's and RTS

>but the majority waaah
Stellaris was the majority too but it still didn't belong here because it was 4x now fuck off

>>144940183

>>144945085
>>144945193
>RTS
By what fucking logic is HoI 4 an RTS? Vicky2, CK2, HoI 3 and EU4 are all RTS games if moving counters is RTS.
>someone fucking bumped the dying thread
Autistic.

>>144945193
How autistic are you?

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>Play as Communist China
> everything's going well until late game it's fucking lag as fuck makes the game unbearable
how do i fix this shit REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>144945214
you're welcome

>>144945214
HOI4 just concentrates on units while everything else is just a resource like in an RTS. Past HOI games were more complex in other areas to warrant being here
>>144940183

>>144945306
>Past HOI games were more complex in other areas to warrant being here
Is Aurora something that belongs here? Why not link to the 4x general since that's basically a safezone for RTS games now?

>>144945306
Great meme!

>>144945262
did you even try to lower settings
look for a flat map mod if that doesnt work

anyways if your computer actually can't run hoi4 consider buying a new one.

>>144945389
Because HOI4 isn't a 4x game like stellaris. It's RTS. Aurora is not allowed here because it is 4x like stellaris and not accepted here

>>144944853
GIB MOD
can you upload to steam

>>144945501
But Aurora is more complex than other GS games so by your own definition it belongs in /gsg/. I mean, EU4 also has 4x elements.

>Start South Africa game
>go fascist (Apartheid South Africa its called)
>build up a decent army (12x infantry divisions, 3x motor divisions , 1x armored armored, 2x armored cav brigades, 2x armored brigades)
>create a faction with Nationalist Spain and stomp Portugal together
>Franco gets Portugal while I take Angola and Mozambique

I think now I want to join the axis and take Rhodesia and other British holdings. Is there a way to merge factions or do I have to disband my custom one?

Also oddly enough "Russia" formed as a fascist break away from the USSR that allied with Germany and dragged Germany into a war with the Soviets in 1939 while Poland still existed and neither could get at each other.

Germany went on to declare on France too right after due to the genius of the AI yet still proceeded to stomp France and the low countries in less than a year and went on to defeat the Soviets by 1942, giving all that lebensraum to fascist Russia

>>144945576
EU4 isn't 4x because it's complex in all areas. HOI4 is barely complex in warfare while everything else is a resource. Basically an RTS.

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>This entire thread

>>144945389
>safe zone for RTS
what the fuck are you talking about? Vic2, EU4, CK2, HOI3, Darkest hour, HOI2 are grand strategy games.

>>144945720
They have to go back

>>144945718
>EU4 is complex
Not on launch it wasn't, it was derided as lacking basically fucking everything. In fact, that's true of Vicky 2 and HoI3 as well, which were both shallow and broken

>>144945775
HOI4 is not a grand strategy game though

>>144945674
you have to break your faction then ask to join theirs, national spain will probably join axis anyway once you break it

i think the Russia you're talking about is a result of the officer revolt that happens when USSR doesnt do the Great Purge, never saw them actually win though.

>>144945775
You still butthurt that stellaris got kicked out because it isn't GS and were about to do the same to HOI4?

>>144945775
Literally half of the HOI4 discussion has been "draw the line" or "meme arrows" and you're defending this shit being a GS?

>>144945950
I'm not him but I'm more assblasted that you felt the need to make an entire general about it. Either link to some extant general or shout it down like we did with EU4.

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LADS

ALL I MUST DO IS GRAB CHINA'S CAPITAL AND THEY'LL CAPITULATE

JAPAN MAY BE INCOMPETENT BUT I AM NOT

>>144945865
HOI4 and stellaris could get 1000 DLC and still wouldn't be accepted here fuck off

EU4 is accepted here
>>144940183

>>144946008
>Literally half of the HOI4 discussion has been "draw the line" or "meme arrows" and you're defending this shit being a GS?
I'd wager all of those are the same person. I'd wager that person is you. Now fuck off, wagglemeister.

>>144945775
How's that a sad thing?

Also if you keep replying to him, he'll continue. As much as I hate report and ignore autist, he's right

>>144945950
>>144946008
The majority of discussion in the thread is people talking about HoI4 and the rest is people bitching about people talking about HoI4

>>144946058
>EU4 is accepted here
How fucking new are you? It really wasn't for the longest fucking time after release, if you posted it you got shouted down.
Do the same to HoI 4 or whatever but for heaven's sake don't make an entire fucking general.

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>>144945950
>were about to do the same to HOI4

>>144945871
>>144945950
>>144946008
why isn't anyone posting about the real GS games then? kick out hoi4 and you have a dead thread

>>144946069
>I'd wager all of those are the same person. I'd wager that person is you

Yeah, you're right, I'm posting from 30 different IPs to occupy half the discussion, it can't possibly be because the game is casualized trash for Civ and TW babbies and everyone who isn't fresh off the boat from /v/ can see that

>>144945718
I will just say that Aurora 4x is 10x complex then EU4. Complexity =/= GS game.

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>this thread

Literally autists shouting down other autists for liking games they don't like that still belong in the same general. Nobody's even posting anything that isn't HoI4-related right now.

How dare fans of grand strategy play the newest grand strategy titles and talk about their experiences on the internet.

>>144946214
>I'm posting from 30 different IPs to occupy half the discussion
There are a whole 30ish "Wrong thread" bullshit posts posted over a few hours. Just admit it, you discord samefag. Wish the fucking mods would do something about you faggots.

>>144946042
And all he has to do is grab Punakha and you'll capitulate, good luck since you have no divisions protecting it.

>>144946214
It can be casualized in some regards and still be gs

What is the the most evil think you did in CKII?

(Killed my grandson and married his widow for...Malta..)

>>144946042
>He doesn't make dirty commies do his work for him.

God I nuked nagasaki, hiroshima, and Tokyo why wont these fucking nips die already

>>144944853
>>144944983
>>144945545
hello p-please respond map modder-sama

we need poster ids

I bet this entire thing is two anons spamming the thread

>>144946276
Because it's not GS and doesn't belong here

>>144946214
>
Only an imbecile fresh off the boat from /v/ who understands nothing of how /vg/ worksand how it's essentially a collection of miniboards would make an entire thread for a single game in a series when that entire series is part of an extant general.
Also, TW is actually harder than 'grand strategy' depending on your difficulty, especially if you entirely eschew autoresolve.

>>144946353
If we had poster IDs he would use VPN, you can't stop the autism

>>144946358
Just curious, what is your definition of GS?

>>144946276
>Nobody's even posting anything that isn't HoI4-related right now.
you would see the HoI4 discussion if the other autists didn't drone it out, for example
>>144946042
>>144945674
>>144945262
>>144944881

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>>144946327
Fuck, forgot SC.

>>144946428
Not an RTS which is what HOI4 is.

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>>144946305
they can't attack from raj because raj isn't at war with me and I'm not at war with the allies ;^)

don't ever let your memes be dreams senpaitachi

>>144946358
You don't get to determine what is and is not GS

It fits the definition for GS fine

>>144946493
HOI4 isn't a good game, but it isn't a RTS.

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WE WUR HONORBRU KANS N SHET

Just a quick question - in HOI3 and VickyII, can I play apartheid south africa for bonus /pol/ points?

>>144946358
It is grand strategy, and you don't belong here.

>>144946494
nice manpower

can anyone tell me why they gave Tibet a custom leader portrait but not any of the other asian minors

>>144944881
Nice Italy

I'm a filthy pedo
How does one flatten the map manually, what file do I replace? I can't find the heightmap.

>>144946595
You posted this already.

>>144946667
Any HoI4 mods to make the map viewable? The see-thru colors are killing me, I want a solid fucking political map.

The autism will die down in a week, right?

>>144946740
free tibet :DDD

>>144945865
>vic2
>Hoi3
>EU4
>shollow when they first came out
Vic2 Economy system was anot wonderful ambitious attempt to simulate markets

HOI3 Idea of supply lines, the level of micromanagement of all your troops was not shallow

EU4 at its beginning had a new trade system, got rid of the sliders for technology(albeit added mana memes), but had start dates for 300 years of history


In hearts of iron 4, you don't need oil for your motorized troops after you build them, you can turn any government into one of the THREE ideological party's, you manage your resources like it's a goddamm arcade game

HOI4 is not grand strategy

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>>144946747
I had to post a more memefied version
>>144946741
Grossitaly

>>144946634
>Apartheid
No need when if you play with your pops right you can replace all the natives with whitey pal

>>144946634
Both games lack vanilla options to commit straight genocide. I'm sure there are mods for it, but Vicky 2 is pretty much the only gsg with a complete economy/population model. Obviously, that's the focus of the game, but it'd be nice to see other Paradox games incorporate some of that in. Best we got in EU4 was binary culture/religion region modes and a nonsensical trade system.

>>144946874
Teach me how senpai
I've never figured out how to do it in Vicky II

>>144946925
>>144946874
Same

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>>144946817
>In HoI4, you don't need oil for your motorized troops

Haven't played this meme game, but after seeing the fucking bordergore and the resource simplification, this feels like a wehraboo repackage of fucking EU4.

I still want to believe patches will fix this, but I know they won't.

>>144946817
Your definition of grand strategy seems to be tied to how realistic a game is. Im not saying HoI4 isnt garbage, but your definition of GS is fairly screwed.

>>144946853
I never got the passion for "cute" borders for countries when in reality the borders of most states are not that good looking.

What's the advantage of fallback borders?

How does the AI use them?

Does my entire line collapse backwards if a single tank division breaches through? How do they work?

>>144947240
to create a line at a front not on your borders

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r8 my gross germaniums

I have unfortunately made the same mistake as my predecessors in the third reich and allied an inferior, weak, green colored nation that covers my "southern" border. The soft underbelly is becoming a problem since we are surrounded by several nations that have formed a federation and they are all equal to me. They really didn't like it when I purged the entirety of a Fallen Empire I conquered, sadly they had the Celestial Throne homeworld and no ringworlds.

Luckily I've just researched jump drives, I'm hoping the unbidden show up soon. and I can strike at the federation while they deal with the warp demons.

>>144947139
I agree - GS isn's about complexity - otherwise Aurora 4x is a Space GS, and it not about realism. It not about realism, as the games are by default letting the player screw with history.

But this isn't to say that HoI4 isn't on the simple, unrealistic (and not that great at the moment) GS game.

>tfw would rather go on /r/paradoxplaza than deal with the autists arguing over semantics

>>144944167
Kaiserreich is getting an official HOI4 version as well

FUCKING PORTRAITS ARE PISSING ME OFF

>>144946349
Here is a link to what I have done so far

any one is free to use it in hope that some one can do this better than me

I'm still tweaking it, currently you can't see occupied land properly only owner borders.

https://www.mediafire.com/?0h8gyjaqzmzmz7h

>>144947353
Stellaris has an well established general here
>>144876763

>>144947437
Yeah but it's dead now. No one posts civilization and Stellaris belongs in /gsg/.

/gsg/ is for paradox games.

Technology in HoI3 is more complex than 4 or 2, both of which are virtually the same (4 just not having tech teams)

Diplomacy is more complex in 4 than 3 due to the addition of peace treaties and custom factions. 2 is more complex than 3 and is about the same as 4 (each have things that the other does not)

Division design is more complex in 4 than it is in 3 or 2

3 has more complex combat than either of the two. With battle plans 4 is on the same level of complexity as 2's doomstacks, not using battle plans puts it near 3's level of complexity if you micro-manage

3 has a more complex land organization system, 4 and 2 are about the same

Naval and air is about the same in the three games complexity-wise

The production system is more complex in 4 than it is in 3 or 2

4 lacks espionage for the most part

3 and 2 lack the variant system (I could say they both lack the battleplan system too, but imo its a shit system while the variant system is a nice addition)

The resource system is slightly more complex in 3 and 2 than it is in 4 (streamlined and essentially no more stockpiling)

The supply system is more complex in 3 and 2 than it is in 4

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>>144947414
WE

>>144944419
where the fuck is the download link

>>144947412
good. I feel like the national focus tree and government name changes were designed with Kaiserreich in mind

I actually really like the game. If someone can just fix the meme arrows, it would be my favorite gsg

>>144947536
Not, it isn't. Stellaris has its own thread with civ4x with over a month. I know you just want to shitpost so I don't even know why I'm replying

>>144947146
it's about "being used to the borders" aka an autists problem with dealing with change

does fascist yugoslavia have a portrait or is it generic?

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>>144947702
>mfw

>>144947645
nice meme flag

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>>144941617
The war is over. Europe is under a new order now, one led by Britain.

In Africa, the Ethiopians and Libyans are given their independence, albeit under British-supervised governments. In the East, Korea is brought under the British sphere, while Japan is placed under French supervision. Of course, British troops will still man all the stations, so French influence there is a moot point at best. Okinawa and Taiwan are annexed outright by Britain.

The European states are left mostly as before, with some exceptions. Czechoslovakia is returned to its pre-war borders, while Poland is granted East Prussia and Upper Silesia to compensate for the loss of eastern Poland to the Soviets. Hungoary is allowed to keep Northern Transylvania. (Because otherwise it'd go to the Soviets).

Portugal is granted Rio de Oro, while Britain takes Spanish Morocco, thus strengthening its hold over the entrance to the Mediterranean.

Political affairs at home, however, have forced a change in policies, and new elections have been called. Meanwhile, the Soviets continue to push slowly into Romania and Turkey. Allied forces gather along the border, not entirely willing to help the Axis yet.

>>144948009
libyans?
what?
how?

Anyone have any ideas on preferred early game division compositions? Playing Romania and trying to Balkan Blob, so far I'm running the divisions from campaign start and creating the following comps:

Motor Rifles
6x MOT
3x LARM
ENG
REC

Armor
6x LARM
2x MOT
ENG
REC

Not sure if these are desirable or should be changed in some way.

>>144948009
>that fucking Turkey
>Iraq not British clay

>>144948191
see
>>144944140

>>144947628
>Technology in HoI3 is more complex than 4 or 2, both of which are virtually the same (4 just not having tech teams)
More 'complex', but not better. The method of researching general benefits, and then producing new equipment to gain them is fantastic. Applying learned experience to upgrade produced equipment is something that could be expanded on, but altogether HoI 4 is substantially better than what HoI 3 had.

As well, the "tech teams" in HoI 4 are well represented by the research and production concerns/theorists/designers under the political tab.

>muh OOB
Thank god it's gone.

>4 lacks espionage for the most part
I think it's the only area seriously lacking in the game. As well as overarching political goals - but that's a lot more difficult to represent. (e.g. Allies being slack with Axis until it looked like they were teaming up with the communists and coming westward)

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>Marines

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>>144948147
It's one of the few African countries (hell, one of the few releasable countries) in the game.

>>144948472
They don't even have portraits? Fucking seriously?