/ksg/ - Katawa Shoujo General

>>144799128
I don't know. Maybe I'm a fucking faggot holy shit.

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>>144799224
10/10 edition lad, shame it won't last long

>>144799224

I would
violate her like no woman's been violated before. Then
enjoy her company for some tea.

>>144799382
Don't worry anon, I don't think you're a fucking faggot.

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Nth for Extra-crispy Hanako!

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>>144799413
I'll just make another one

Explain Saki's personality to me.

>>144799575

It's not gay unless balls are touching.

>>144799549
>filename
>tfw this will never be real

>>144799731

"Saki Enomoto is a character that did not appear in Katawa Shoujo, but rather on the blog as an April Fools joke, along with Rika Katayama. She has spinocerebellar ataxia, a degenerative disease that makes her lose muscle control, and will eventually kill her, but this has not stopped her from living her life to the fullest. The blog post she debuted in treated her as an additional girl that Hisao can pursue in an "expansion story." "

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>>144799654
But she'll be dead

>>144799914
Theres also a few pseudo-routes on the forums that give her a more fleshed out personality

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>>144799983
She'd be in a better place

I really do think Saki is the most attractive girl (or at least, the most attractively drawn). There is so much charm oozing out of her picture.

I would totally buy a Saki poster and put it in my living room. Fuck you, normies.

This is my gf.

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>>144800412
What if she still has her disease in the afterlife so she dies there too?

>>144800482
She really is, shame she never got an actual route

>>144799628
who let suriko near the artists?!?!?!

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G'morning, doods!
How are we all today?
What fun and exciting things do you all have planned?
What's going on with all the name fagging?

>>144783270
>Where have you been?
Asleep.

Suriko is my favourite writer.

>>144800803
>What fun and exciting things do you all have planned
Going to the gym

>he doesn't know whats going on
lmao

>>144800803
I did the waiting of you for. You didn't show up at the train station.

That made me sad.

>>144800847
he's my favourite author too, he's the only one that makes stories that actually respect the reader!

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>>144800963
You're making it very hard for me to sympathise with you.

>>144801251

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>>144800562
Then it's a neverending cycle

>>144801251
>image limit
>>144798853

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>>144801353
>each time Saki finds happiness she dies

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>>144801457
I see.

>>144801539
Good. No person deserves happiness.

>>144801558
Not the image!

>>144801558
>posting an image and a imagename in the name field

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>>144801657
Thats bordering on an almost greek mythology level of punishment though, its worse to finally glimpse happiness and then have it ripped from you.

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>>144801694
>>144801657
Whatever. I'll be back when you guys are cool again.

>>144801860
If you're happy you stop changing things.

Without change you become unhappy.

>>144801885
You can just not do the namefield thing.

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>>144801992
Therefore driving you to seek change and improvement which is good as opposed to never reaching that happy state in the first place because you pissed off zeus in a past life.

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Last thread I could almost tell which images were what based on the descriptions.

Now I think you're all just fucking crazy.

>>144802897
Probably because a lot of them are clearly made up

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>>144803025
That's my point.

>>144803137
Nothing crazy about made up images frienderino.

I've spent 2 days trying to decide whether to do another run through of KS (haven't touched it in years) or dig up another VN. The list of decent ones I haven't read (that are translated) is getting slim. Maybe Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate.

I need a new hobby

>>144803998
Have you played Kindred spirits on the roof?

>>144796241
I can't hug anyone, Anon. I'm a bad person like that.

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>>144803324
I just liked being able to tell what they were talking about.

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>>144804656
You deserve some spanking for being such a bad boy~

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>>144804939
DrillEmi is terrifying

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Nth for a happy Hana!

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Lilly

>>144805413
dies at the end.

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>>144805413
Suzu.

>>144804939
I can't tell if you're the same person from before. It doesn't really matter I guess.

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>>144805413
emi

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>>144805413
anon

>>144804215

I checked and I've never even seen it come up in VNDB searches. I only have 2 filters, and they shouldn't block that. I don't know. I'll go download it.

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>>144805413
Hanako.

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>>144806038
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindred_Spirits_on_the_Roof
This one, its a fully kinetic novel but a great Yuri story except the final pairing for the main character is SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

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>>144806119
>>144805413
Hanalilly!

>>144806220
How do lesbians have sex? Is it just really intense cuddling?

>>144807582
They do it in a pure way.

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I bet Lezard is "that guy" in Hisao's class, smug light yagami looking motherfucker.

>>144807582
Fingering, oral, sex toys... I'm sure you can think of more possibilities if you apply yourself.

Um dude that was you.

How long does VG archive threads? And is there like an index or something to see them all by catagory or such?

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>>144809856

>>144810242
a week

>>144810242
A week.

ctrl + f 'keyword'

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Goodnight friendos!

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>>144810504
G'night, dood.

>>144810504
Goodnight Suzuposter. You're alright.

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>>>/an/2140751

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Okay, who is the most powerful champion of Lilly at the moment? Asking for a friend.

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>>144812078
Probably me or Fluff.

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>>144812781
Fluff is still a thing? I guess the whole cardiac arrest scare was over exaggerated.

What's your claim to fame though?

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>>144812078
Not me.

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Am I ugly?

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>>144812929
>Fluff is still a thing?
Yeah he posts occasionally. Mostly on the weekend during KY threads. He even posted early today.

>What's your claim to fame though?
I don't know. That I care?

>>144813104
Nah, but you need a shave.

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You'd be above average looking if you took care of yourself. Shave, groom that hair and ditch the glasses and you'd be fine.

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>>144813230
Right, I gather that Fatand is still a thing but I'm not sure I'll accept that he's the most powerful champion based on the accountings of a fangay (I checked the archive).

So who is it?

>>144813543
You're such a fucking faggot dude holy shit.

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>>144813543
What the bloody hell are you blathering on about?

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>>144813543
What the fuck did I just read?

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>>144813739
I'm just trying to determine who is the king of the lillyfags at the moment (asking for a friend).

Why are you being difficult?

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>>144813957
Well what determines the king?

Did I punch the last guy in the jaw and steal a crown?
No.

Was my father the king and I inherited it?
No

I'm just a guy that shows up a posts Lilly for 16 hours a day.

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>>144813957
And what will you do with this information?

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>>144814245
Dominance is hard to define but easy to identify. I can with some confidence tell that whoever it is it isn't you.

>>144814428
Why, is it a secret? Like I said I'm just asking for a friend.

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>>144814448
Damn, Hanako pulls off that dress way better.

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>>144814448
You're very rude.

>>144814634
Bullshit.

>>144814818
Just trying to be real. Let's not let your little feelings get in the way.

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>>144815202
My feelings aren't little.

Are there any other English original-language VNs that aren't shit? I checked VNDB. 98% of them have Android or MacOS icons, meaning there's no adult content. The 4 or so without family-friendly OS tags still didn't have any sexual content. What the hell, USA?

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>>144815539
Point is that this isn't about you, whoever you are.

This thread vibe is like the dance/musical-showdown in West Side Story if they all wore makeup and had their dicks hanging out right now.

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>>144815670
Except that it is.

You came here searching for the most prominent Lillyfriend at the time.

Well, you found him.

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>>144815974
So what is your claim to fame? I hate finding myself advocating for Fatand but at least he is something. But what are you?

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>>144816138
>So what is your claim to fame?
I told you. That I care.

>But what are you?
I told you that as well.

You're not a Lillyfriend are you?

>>144816329
I'm here for a friend but he's supposedly a big Lilly deal.

>>144816454

Yeah, I'm pretty big in Canada.

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>>144816454
Well then perhaps 'your friend' should drop by rather than have him send a tactless cunt who has no idea what he's talking about.

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>>144816858
I don't get why you're being so defensive. I'm here to learn - not to judge.

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>>144799224
Nth for a happy Hana!

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Beep.

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Good night /ksg/.

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>>144819630
G'night, dood.

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boop.

Hello.

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ksg mansion when

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>>144822526
Hellloo.

ksg, do you ever feel

lonely?

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>>144823892
yes

>>144824190
i want to kiss that hana

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Bam!

It's not the weekend, you're not allowed to be this sleepy.

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Echo...

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Good morning /ksg/

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>>144829676
G'morning, dood!
Feeling better?

>>144829830
Yeah, quite the difference from yesterday, much better.

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>>144830953
Excellent!

And how was the stew?

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>>144831158
Spicy, tasty and already done when I got home.

sup ksg? just got done with my run tonight

Hello.
I hate the weather.
It is warm and humid

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>>144831956
>already done when I got home.
Slow cooked or what?

>>144832483
Excellent!
Anything happen?
What distance? What time?

>>144832494
Want to swap?
Actually bugger that, I like my cold weather.

>>144832637
>Cold weather
gimme

>>144832637
I still live with my parents. So I called my mom and asked her if she done anything with the peppers yet. She said no, so I asked her to chop up a couple of them if she could because I wanna cook something good when I get home.

And poof, I get back home and it's there.

>>144832637
>Excellent!
>Anything happen?
>What distance? What time?
thanks! nah, nothing happened. 5200 m in 28'56" on the treadmill. nothing too impressive, but working on it

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>>144832764
Feck off, it's mine.

>>144832903
Fascinating.

>>144833032
Good shit, dood.

>>144833387
>Feck off
rood

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>>144833387
thanks mang

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>>144833484
Dood!

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>>144833387
Yeah, lame I know.

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>>144833852
I see your Hanako and raise you a Lilly

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>>144834120
I see your Lil.
But does it see me?

>>144833930
Are you sure?
I thought I said fascinating, not lame.

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>>144834378
Well I see your Lilly andHana and raise you an Akira

Yeah you said so, but I know it is kind of lame. Don't care though.

>>144812078
Is totally me, yea totally, 100% best Lilly-friend right here hai

>>144834378
No, she doesn't.
Because she is blind.
Being blind means not being able to see anything.
That's what being blind means.

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Emergency lewd bump

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>>144835629
I change the game completely. Yahtzee!!
Well with the stew out of the way. What's the plan for tonight?

>>144837553
Relax.
I'm back now.

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>>144837991
Fluffy yahtzee

What's the plan? I'll get back home, take a shower and chill, maybe play some HotS with friends? Sounds about right.

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>>144838192
I meant for dinner.

>>144838192
>HotS

Disgusting casual.

>>144838272
Oh. No idea.

>>144838349
>casual.
Yyyyyep, that I am, I play HotS for shits and giggles with some friends.

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>>144839180
Silly pol-dood.
You have to know these things or else you'll starve.

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>>144839317
There;s still some of that stew left, should be good.

Don't glass Misha

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>>144839838
Excellent!

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>>144812078
A champion does not claim championship.

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Good morning guys.
How's it goin'?

>>144838192
>HotS
Didn't know anyone else here played that. We should have some fun together sometime.

>>144842252
'Play' is a strong word, me and my friends wanted to play some moba together and it was easier for one of them and his gf to learn hots than for me and another guy to learn lol.

And we've been through this with hs Kenji, I'm eu ;_;

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>>144843263
Ah, right. Well, keep havin' fun, then.

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>>144842252
Not too shabby. You?

>>144841859
I guess that's what I was trying to say.

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>>144844872
I'm feeling alright.

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>>144810640
Always a pleasure to wake up to something nice!

>>144846196
You're right. I love you Suzuposter!

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>That feel when you will never taste the french vanilla flavor of Lilly's lips
>That feel when you will never give a sleeping Emi a piggyback ride home
>That feel when you will never feel Rin's lips caress your hands as you feed her oranges
>That feel when you will never gaze at the stars with Shizune
>That feel when you will never wake up next to Hanako and take her into a loving embrace
>That feel when you will never feel a sleeping Misha press her soft body against you as you kiss her candy scented hair

>>144847783
Stop hugging the lemonade you dumb bitch you're getting it warm with your body heat holy shit

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>>144847976
Only if I can hug you instead.

>>144848142
No, I don't trust you, you will drug me or squeeze my guts out or force me to join student council

>>144848261
>this amount of shit taste

Well, I mean, it's not our fault you were born retarded.

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>>144848243
You don't trust me?

>>144848345
>want to seduce a guy, rape him
>want to befriend a guy, make him her slave
>want to experience a highschool romance, see all of the above
>has a friend that would do anythig for her, make said friend realize she's disposable as soon as she gets a boyfriend

I don't trust Shizune, hell no.

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>'Fields of gold' on the radio

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>>144848625
But you trust me?

>>144850127
If you won't do buttstuff to me then yes.

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>>144849412
It can't be on the radio that often.
And besides, it's a pretty bad song.

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You're gone and I gotta stay high all the time to keep you off my mind.

>>144850935
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SYM-RJwSGQ8
I actually prefer this one, somehow has more meaning with less words used.

>>144850360
But it is on the radio that often

>>144851090
I dislike that version.

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>>144850191
Buttstuff can only ever be consensual
You have nothing to fear..

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Word on the street is another KS artbook is coming.

Two of them

Hope you're going to Comiket anon

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>>144852405
Shieeeeeeet nigga.

I hope someone uploads them somewhere quickly. When does this Comiket starts?

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Anyone got the full pic?

>>144852405
Interesting. I thought we're not gonna get anything new ks-related.

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>>144852510
What the fuck, moot? I posted a katawa picture, not a fucking spaceship.

>>144852695
You sure about that anon?

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>>144852557

>>144852835
danke

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>>144852557

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>>144852889
No problem.

>>144852818
Yeah, I tried to post the katawa picture I had posted and it says that the spaceship pic is the katawa pic.

Am I the only one seeing that spaceship? WHAT IS HAPPENING? AM I GOING CRAZY? ARE THE KATAWAS SPACESHIPS IN DISGUISE?

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>>144853013
What spaceship?

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>>144852942
>>144853013

>>144853046
On my screen, my post there >>144852510 has a spaceship instead of cute katawas. When I try to post that picture again, it says that the spaceship is already posted, but I don't even have spaceships to post, I just have katawas and there is A FUCKING SPACESHIP THERE.

Have I discovered the ultimate conspiracy? Katawas are, in fact, spaceships in disguise?

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>>144853228
How fucking high are you dude

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>>144853391
I'm with this guy.

i think >>144853228 should go to sleep and try and stay sober tomorrow.

>>144853228
I see the spaceship too. Looks like a scamcitizen one.

>>144853391
Seeing all the space ship talk I'd say he's miles high

>>144853480
Thank you. I knew I had truly discovered the conspiracy! KATAWAS ARE ROBOT SPACESHIPS HERE TO CONQUER THE EARTH.

>>144853391
>>144853463
I'm only high on KNOWLEDGE and the TRUTH.

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>>144853649
>KATAWAS ARE ROBOT
DELETE THIS!

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>>144853649
Yeah, you're tripping dude. I think its time to stop.

>>144853649
I kinda wish I was at home now, I'd spend million hours woking with MS paint to make it but I'd take a pic of one of the katawas, give her a starbucks cup of jet fuel and add some dialogue, like 'Fly me to the moon Hisao'.

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POST
RIN

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>>144854560
Why?

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>>144854560
as you wish, master

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>>144854560
Ok.

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>>144854560
That's an uncommon Rin.

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>>144854560
You posted my only Rin

>>144854708
I posted it last thread ;_;

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>>144854560

>>144854753
Sorry, but I saw it here first.

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Hello.
I don't like mormons.
How are you?

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>>144855163
Hello. Not sure of how I am. How about you?

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>>144855163
I'm fine. How's the translation going?

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>>144854993
He even downloaded it from my post. Filthy thief.

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>>144855163
Did you try and date one and got inducted into their cult?

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>>144855241
>>144855275
I'm fine.
Thanks.
Just terribly bored.
Thanks to the mormon thing.
I've finished translating.
But I'm still not happy with how it turned out.
>>144855372
No.
I had to do an assessment.
It was translating stuff about Mormons.

>>144855427
>Mormons
Mentioned Mormon Jesus?

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>>144855304
Nth for a happy Hana!

>>144856142
I wanted to.
But I had to stay serious.
Sadly

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>>144856284
That's a reall bummer then

>>144856194
Nth+some for lewd Hana!

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>>144856423
It's forbidden!

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>>144856423
>>144856571
Don't do anything lewd.

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>>144856620
Its something Misha would approve.

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>>144856571
It's mandatory!

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>>144856808
>>144856871
I will call the Lewd Police.
Stop.

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>>144856808
And so do I

>>144856910
Make me!

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>>144856910
Do it faggot.

>>144857081
>>144857140
Please stop.

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>>144857213
Hanako is a sexual person. So why can't she be lewd?

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>>144857140
Oh, I like this one. Never seen it before.

>>144857213
No!

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>>144854560
>Dem legs

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>>144857414
>>144857517

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>>144857517
I bet I got all kinds of shit you've never seen before.

>>144857715
Keep your loli anal slut to yourself. The adults are talking.

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>>144857806
Rood.
I just have some pictures of Emi saved because I play her route last.

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>>144857974
I'm sorry. I should probably get around to replaying her soon anyway.

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>>144857806
I am willing to take that bet and lose it. Besides loli anal slut can get lewd too you know.

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>>144858089
>Tfw not a loli anal slut...

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>>144858678
You can still become an anal slut though.

>>144858678
You can turn someone into an anal slut you know. Or at least bang her/him in te ass a couple times.

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>>144858886
Not happening anytime soon. My best recently got laid for the first time, after a party i wasn't invited to. And for some reason i feel like utter shit now and i don't fucking know why.Ok i know part of why i feel down, it's because he has a massive cock and i don't.. but that's not all there is to it.It's really been fucking me up lately, even more since i don't know why i care about it. I just do.

>>144858806
I think i'm past that phase.

>>144859078
>it's because he has a massive cock and i don't

Neither do I. Lad, if I were to worry about this shit. No fucks given, two asses fucked.

>>144859078
>>144859316
why are yall focusing on other people's dicks so much
do yall really think about that shit frequently??
maybe you guys like dick

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>>144859637
What's wrong with liking dick?

>>144859637
Considering they know their friends size of dick and they considered being anal sluts, I think it's fair to think they are a bunch of faggots.

>>144859637
this, I don't even know what my dick is like compared to anyone elses because I don't look at or talk about other mens dicks

>>144859637
>>144859693
>>144859701
Where did I ever mention comparing my dick to someone else's, where the hell did I mention anal sluting myself? I jus stated a fact at one point or another, that's about it.

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>>144860000
I read >tfw not a loli anal slut as the fact that you'd like to be one. Or was that a typo and you just want an anal slut?

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>>144860363
He didn't write it, i did.
And if i were an loli i wouldn't be gay now would i?
Also i was mostly spouting memes...
>>144859316
I try man, i try...

>>144860363
Oh. Well that ain't me but appatently I msiread it as well, I though there was 'NO loli anal slut'

Well since we're already having this conversation anyway, I'd want to have one of these, but wouldn't be one of these. And only females allowed.

>>144860461
Why would you be not be a gay loli?

>>144860609
holy shit my grammar.

>>144860516
>he doesn't want a qt cd shota anal slut
anon pls

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>>144860714
If it's any consolation, i didn't notice your shitty spelling until you mentioned it.
>>144860609
If i were a loli (girl) and wanted dick, i would not be gay. That's just a fact. This is turning weird, can we not discuss this anymore?

Why is Lillys' Alpha route so awkward?

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I think I'm going to go to bed now.
G'night, doods.
I'll see you all tomorrow.

>>144860832
But if you were a loli you could have lots of loli yuri sex

>>144860983
Night kiwi lad, sleep well

>>144860983
good
nait
mr lillyman

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>>144860983
night lillylad

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Whats cookin cripplefuckers?
>>144860983
Gnight dood dood.

>>144861801
>Whats cookin
nothing because it is not a mealtime

>>144861947
every time can be a mealtime
just eat in moderation, you don't want to end up like Misha
unless you're a cute girl

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>>144861801
Some unnecessarily long lesbian action is cooking.

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>>144861947
What >>144862068 said. Now go eat something!

>>144862068
Misha is fine.

Speaking of Misha, aren't we missing something today?

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Fine, I'll do this one

One hour past Midnightly Misha appreciation post - substitute edition!

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>>144863023
I wanna cuddle her!

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>>144863158
I want to use Misha's squishy belly as a pillow.

>>144863514
I want to cum on her squishy belly after a hot love making session

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>>144863514
I want to eat ice cream with her!

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>>144863698
I'd love to lick it all off and share it with her

>>144864007
>licking your own cum

I mean, is that even good? It seems hot and disgusting at the same time, can't decide.

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>>144864007
That is lewd

>>144864160
It depends on your diet, but if you eat well, it tastes pretty good. Would recommend.
let's just say I don't need tissues anymore

>>144864325
I never used tissues, I just hold it close to my cock with my right hand and clean it in a sink. Sometimes it gets messy and it's hard to clean, but usually it's pretty ok.
I tried cumming on my own mouth one day, but I'm not that elastic. I can't really do it after I finish because it's too disgusting.

That is a really strange topic.

>>144864512
It's free protein, dude - do it for the gains!

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>you go back home from work, friday afternoon
>DUDE HOT AS FUCK OUTSIDE LMAO
>'I'm back, boutht you something'
>you hear some footsteps
>Misha comes from the other room to greet you, wearing nothing but her underwear
>'hiiiii~ what you got for me~?'
>you give her a box of rather expensive ice cream
>'your favourite, I thought you might want some'
>'YAY YAY~ thanks anon, you are the best~!'
>Misha gives you a hug and runs to the kitchen to get spoon
>you go to the living room and sit on the couch
>Misha comes back to the room with a spoon and the box of ice cream you gave her
>she sits between your legs, she's so short you can rest your chin on her head
>Misha eats a couple spoons of ice cream and stops, turning her head up to look at you
>she gives you a puzzled look, spoon in her mouth makes it so much more adorable
>'anon, wanna some?'
>'nah but Imma go take a rather cold shower'
>with the same adorably puzzled look she asks
>'wanna get sweaty first~?'

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>>144864667
>boutht you something

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>>144864817
>not adding more squish to the Mish

>>144864817
You wouldn't feed Misha some delicious, cold ice cream on a hot day?

I'm amazed to see someone se that image though, I rarely see it

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>>144865256
>>144865183
Misha needs to stay healthy!

>>144865481
But it's not about adding squish to the Mish, it's about keeping her chilled on a hot day! What if she melts and turns gooey? You must take carw of your pink fluffy thing!

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>>144865605
A nice cool refreshing glass of water with ice will keep her cool AND healthy!

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>>144865481
It's not like we're trying to turn her into a SSBBW, right?
Also, chubby girls statistically higher sex drive, so what's not to love

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>>144865728
>It's not like we're trying to turn her into a SSBBW, right?
Depends if undertaker is here today

>>144854424
Fry me tu da muun
Ret me prey among da stas

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>>144865936
true

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>>144866340
I want to eat out Mish!

>>142575053
>>>142567475
>Back when the game was first released, it was sort of an self-improvement thing where artists, writers, fitness gurus, musicians, e.t.c. would discuss self improvement. These days, that spirit is long dead and it's just virgins whining about how much their life sucks. I've heard one of the founding members refer to it as 'a glorified hugbox for morons'.

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>>144866508
>tfw I have the exact same pantsu

>>144866751
you mean
>>>/a/142567475

>>144866751
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>/a/

>>144866751
Should we care...?

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>>144866765
Why are you wearing female panties?

>>144867339
probably

>>144867387
Because they're a lot more comfortable than any male pants I've ever worn in my whole life. Also, they fit me really well.

>>144866810
>and I think anons translated it

Lost my shit right there.

>>144867558
/a/ is a bastion of intelligent discussion

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>>144867549
>Because they're a lot more comfortable than any male pants I've ever worn in my whole life. Also, they fit me really well.

>>144867486
>caring about retards on /a/

Are you retarded? Some of the guys there were right, we're just a circlejerky bloggy forum. That doesn't mean everyone here is a manchild who can't move on or that we're here just to complain about life (although we do that sometimes). It's just an internet community at this point, no reason to be all butthurt about it like some there seem to be.

>>144868106
It's not like I just started wearing panties randomly - I first tried some when I did a crossplay and found them to be amazing, so I bought some more. It's not like it's a fetish or anything, so who gives a fuck.

>>144868235
>Are you retarded
Awfully harsh for a neutral response.

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>>144868432
>I first tried some when I did a crossplay
>It's not like it's a fetish or anything

>>144868452
Not really. The implication that we should care about /a/ opinions about /ksg/ is something really retarded.

>>144868732
I didn't really say we should, I just made a vaguely apathetic response.

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>>144868671
I just enjoy dressing up and being cute for a while, anon. If it was a fetish, I wouldn't be comfortable doing it in public.
Unless my fetish was public sex, but shut up, I'm trying to make a point here

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>>144868932
Theres plenty more fetishes that people happily do in public so I think you're just lying to yourself anon!

>>144868926
Then your response should be no. I don't see why it is in any way awfully harsh.

>>144869246
It was just apathetic, theres no need to use a comment clearly made my someone with no opinion on the matter as a springboard to start insulting people as if you want to be posted on /r/4chan

>>144869124
Not necessarily. I normally go nopan nowadays, because it's more comfortable, but I only discovered that because one day I was out of clean ones and couldn't bring myself to put on yesterday's, even though it still seemed clean.