/twg/ - Total War General

why did the thread die early? somone got a vendetta against the greatest of games?

Yo what happened to the last thread?

>>144522705
w-what happened to the thread

Did you jokers reach critical shitposting levels this early?

Are you guys watching the tournament? when the hell was this announced? isn't the game unbalanced as fuck in multiplayer?

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>>144522705
this event is going in the book of grudges

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>>144522860

hot pockets strike again
cant handle the banter

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>>144522925
No but literally what was wrong?

There wasn't even offtopic posting as far as I could see

would you play a warhammer rpg?

Well it definitely didn't go to page 10...

If you're gonna mod something that tame explain why at least

>>144522986
4chan fucked up. The thread was on page 10 for like 4 hours, it didn't ever get bumped for some reason.

>>144522986
probably a /gsg/ moderator

So when it comes to high level performance in campaign, do we all agree that:

>Mannfred tier
Mannfred von Carstein

>Great tier
Karl Franz
Kholek Suneater
Azhag the Slaughterer

>Good tier
Archaon the Everchosen
Grimgor Ironhide
Ungrim Ironfist

>Okay tier
Thorgrim Grudgebearer
Sigvald the Magnificent
Balthasar Gelt

>JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP
Heinrich Kemmler

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>>144523092
mods confirmed for butthurt history chumps who hate fantasy

>>144523092
>It didn't ever get bumped for some reason
autosage is a thing anon...

>>144523190
Drop Azhag to okay

By the time he gets strong you don't really need a legendary lord to win.

Meanwhile Karl/Mannfred/Arcaheon/Kholek can carry armies on their own

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>When Archaon finally completed his centuries long odyssey throughout the dark places of the world and was crowned Lord of the End Times, he immediately began work to add the remaining Northern tribes who had not yet pledged themselves to his apocalyptic banner to his vast armies.

>Within a short time, he had succeeded in bringing every last tribe, clan or warrior-band that had ever vied for control of the tainted Northlands under his iron-fisted rule. Bloodthirsty Aeslings and barbaric Baersonlings, wily Skaelings and sea-faring Sarls, twisted Vargs, savage Graelings and berserker Bjornlings and a thousand other hard-hearted Norse tribes aside, all did answer the Everchosen's call.


Threadly reminder that Chaos players who don't conquer Norsca first are free to play however they feel like tbqh

>>144523258
autosage doesn't happen at 100 posts anon...

>>144523084
desu I miss warhammer online a lot now. I played it back in 2008 for one year I think but I was totally new to the whole setting.

Seeing all the places now in TWW really brings back memories.

>>144523258
yeah after you reach 750 posts that the old thread didn't have....................

>that fucking hero snipe tournament meta

great fucking game TW babies

>>144523295
Mods can make stuff autosage

>>144523295
>>144523327
mods can toggle autosage

and all other threads were being bumped

>>144523342
tournament tier high level play meta is always fucking cancer in games that aren't made for it, shit like MOBAs and FPSs generally play more or less the same way at most levels, unbalanced strategy shit gets full fucking retard real fast

>>144523516
I was kinda hoping the esl tournament would highlight how terribly MP is balanced

CA can't exactly pretend they're not aware of it now, though they can still choose to give vs. players the shaft anyway

My current Karl Franz army consists of:
1 Karl Franz, 1 Wizard (he's pretty shit desu), 4 Reiksguard, 3 Mortars, 3 Crossbows, 2 Halberds (in case of monsters) and 6 Greatswords

Is this good in your opinion? Should I replace all Reiksguard with Demigryphs? I will soon be able to recruit them
Should I get rid of the wizard? He's the one the game gave me at the start he's just not that good

>>144523721
replace reiksguard with demis. Instead of Wizard I'd use a veteran and put him with your frontline. At high levels his leadership bonus makes your frontline almost never route which is more valuable than one unit in my opinion.

>>144523721
Sounds fairly solid to me, but you might as well replace the halberds with Demigryph halberds, and also the rest of your army with demigryphs and put Karl on deathclaw

seriously though that army sounds fine

>>144523684
Yeah but balancing around mp would make sp way less fun

>>144523721
Once Karl picks up a ring of fireballs, that wizard is nothing but dead weight.

Reiksguard I find are just fine for the role, you don't need to replace with demis unless you like overkill and have the economy to support that fetish.

>>144523721
Demigryphs are clutch.
But reiksguard are good enough.
Also get steam tanks.
Wizard is fine.

Replace one mortar with rockets. Also, keep two reiksguard for flavour, don't be a boring min-maxer. I'd keep the wizard because I like the buffs, but you could replace him with a steam tank or hero.

>>144523721

Yes to the Demigryphs, and yes to get rid of the Wizard. Finished my Hard Empire campaign the other day and realized that I never used any heroes beyond Warrior Priests for the replenishment and reduction to Vampire and Chaos shits.

>>144524041
Light wizards are good

Their spell to stop the enemy from moving is great

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>>144523684
Whenever I've seen people play multiplayer and stream it (Not high level, shit like Darren vs Legend or shit) they always agree on basic rules like "no X" or "only two Y" or shit like that.

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Quote got removed.

>>144524126
Wow CA really got the age of sigmar experience of self-balancing down!

>>144524126
Classic scrub thinking

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>>144522705
Rollan!
Mods suck

>>144524231
No, scrub thinking is picking whatever is most broken and stuffing your army full of that and expecting easy wins.

>>144524091
I've heard people say rockets are shit but honestly if you don't get enjoyment out of sticking as many rocket squads into your army as you can get away with you're a sad person, it might not be very efficient or effective to have 4 or 6 rocket dudes but shit, if you're Empire you're probably going to reach a point in the campaign where you can build armies out of whatever the fuck you want and get away with it

>>144524358
So 90% of /twg/?

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Quick question if anyone can help. I heard that different provinces are better for raising specific units and some are better for making money. My question is how can you tell? For example what provinces makes money for empire or which one has bonuses to siege barracks?

>>144522910
THA'S GOIN IN THE BOOK LADDIE

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>>144524449
i would fight honorably

>>144524539
If it has a special resource like iron or lumber, you might be able to also build a purple chain building that gives units recruitment bonuses. For example an iron province giving black orcs +3 ranks and -20% recruitment.

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The age of the Vampire is nigh.

>>144524743
Additionally important settlements have a yellow castle icon in the tactical map.
Usually faction specific buildings.

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>People keep supporting Warhammer even though it continues CAs decline into casual arcadey streamlined doom

you fuckbois are going to turn total war into a fucking moba

>>144524743
but that bonus is global, right?

demigryph nerf fucking when? find enemy stationary demigryphs in the forest, he was trying to charge me suddenly, charge him with my chaos lances, poison doggies and great weapon marauders

demigryphs with halberds kill them all, what the fuck, they were stationary, they didnt even get a charge and they still kill chaos lances, posion dogs AND marauders with great axes

Lancers cost 1600, Demis 1400 explain this shit to me? you are damn right I am mad

and dont even get me started on the fact that empire spearmen cost only 300, you know what other unit costs 300? gobbos

>>144523721
I would use cannons instead of the mortar since its easier to fire and extremely devastating close range.

However most of games are in slow motion once fighting commences so if you play normal you maybe wont have time to fire yourself.

>>144524935
nope, they're always local unless otherwise specified.

>>144524869
Here's your (you)

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>>144522910
>>144524549
The book of grudges is the dumbest thing I have eber heard off. In fact are dwarves the most ass backwards race of idiots ever conceived? It's no wonder their "civilization" is on a steep decline probably due to thier stupidity

>>144524869
>you will never be this poor

feels good

too bad you're missing out, it's the best TW in forever
maybe you can get it in a few years when it's $5 :)

>>144524869
TOTAL WAR: ARENA
they beat you to it
>>144524971
I've done 2 campaigns on very hard, so i feel a little stupid now.

>>144524869
attila was far more complex than whatever old piece of crap you worship, yet no one played it

Grimgor is a beast in emlee so I was extremely worried when my level 25 mannfred was gonna go up against him but I noticed somethiing. sure he'll kill your whole army if you let him but instead of killing grimgor just get him to rout and it's over. Grimgor only got 54 kills against me and since my whole army is causing fear and mannfred was spamming leadership debuffs Grimgor routed very early and his whole army followed

What's the point in resources like furs and wine. Just for trade?

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>>144525020
You shut you fucking face umgi

>>144525156
They give special buildings with different bonuses. They also increase trade yes.

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>>144524351

>>144524954
empire was by far the easiest campaign i've completed on very hard so far. Their basic units are good and their end game units are ridiculous.

>>144525124
Grimgor is a giant ugly pushover

>>144525156
Furs give greenskins the beast lairz building, and wine is like a public order + income in a single slot.

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>new Radious units update
>Dwarfs with polearms
>Black Orc Cavalry
>Savage Orcs with spears

Bring on the Dwarf Boar Cavalry.

>>144525193
I am one of the Asur you blind bearded stuntie.

>>144523190
What's the best way to build carry mannfred? I'm going single nuke just to shoot lords and cause easy routes

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>>144525361
Sounds like pic related in TiTs.

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>>144525020

Still mad we kicked your shaven perfect little arse you knife eared piece of shit?

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>>144525354

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>>144524869
Eh they made attila which was the best complex TW ever but with kinda lame battles and now they've made warhammer which is simpler but immensely fun in battle

best of both worlds

>>144525287
Yeah once you get end game units as empire there's no challenge left

I delayed the last quest and won so hard that the ai reinforcements routed the moment they spawned

>>144525354
>Dwarfs needing polearms
>when their infantry fuck up cavalry without

>>144525405
Get life leech fate of bajuna and then get lighting strike and some melee and support

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>>144525405
An army? To carry Manfred "Tempelhof? More like Ponyhof" von Carstein?

anyone realize how horrible chaos will be when we get woodelves? fast skirmish units.

>>144525283
What game is this?

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radious pls

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>spaghetti line two units of dogs in to bite down the great gates
>AI literally has no response to this
>it's faster than using a battering ram

>>144525597
Attila

hence the huns

>>144525287
desu singleplayer is easy with any faction, its MP that annoys me, I think at this point I'll just leave the match before it even starts if the other guy picks empire

I dont want to fight cheese with cheese, but otherwise there is no way to beat the fucking demigryphs, them being so cheap is a crime against humanity, considering that they outperform a fucking steam tank

>>144525565
>losing the varghulf
That's just not right

how do you beat large unit spam?
3 arachnaroks at a gate 2 gates I had 2 artillery batteries and some trollhammer torpedoes and a master engineer at each gate and couldn't kill a single arachnarok

>>144525537
Is the dark sun of whatever spell any good?

I've never bothered to get it

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>>144525661
Battle took 20min~ and I lost the whole army after around 3min even though I thought with the map border against my back.

But manfred stood alone in the middle of enemies and just refused to die.

Later he took all the settlements by himself (only on hard tho)

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>>144524981
>>144525029
>>144525041
>>144525072

Oh boy I just remembered its summer.

Whats your first total war, amigos? Shogun 2 I'm guessing? ;-)

>>144525603
The worst thing about the Dwarfs he added is that the polearms don't even look Dwarfen.

The blade looks like a rusty glaive and the shaft is made of undecorated wood with random spikes coming out of it.

No proper Dwarf would be caught dead wielding something like that.

>>144525613
Anything is faster than a battering ram
>>144525719
Ironbreakers somehow fuck up monsters something special

>>144525613

>spaghetti line

What the hell is this?

Soooo is the Chaos DLC worth it ?

It's 8€ now
As a historyfag I thought I could ignore the game but the appeal of TW is too stonk, I'm going to yield to temptation ;_;

>>144525719
I won with a dwarf garrison against a chaos stack, I positioned the cannon right infront of the gate with 2 miners on the side and the rest of the units to defend the wall.

Miners stopped the enemy at the gate while I manually shot into the blob with the cannon over and over again.

>>144525847
I know the battering ram is nigh useless, but the fact that I'm biting down the gates is ridiculous. Couldn't they implement some kind of armor value onto the gate to make this less viable?

>>144525890
I'm not even giving you a legitimate response

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You kids need to do some searching and play the superior games in the series.

Not whatever newest wet fart CA churns out

;--)

>>144525740
Rule of thumb is to never get vortex spells
They suck big time

Gotta love the RNG of the Empire campaign. Skullfuckerz burn Grunburg after I take it, the Orcs with the blue skull come down aswell after razing Carroburg and the rebels invite Marienburg so after I take the settlement in the southwest I'm immediately attacked by the Marienburg stack full of Pistoliers I have no way of fighting off.

REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>144525979
Rome was so much fun and it's fairly similar to TWW

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>>144525973

>I'm not even giving you a legitimate response

But it's a legitimate question.

>War of the Beard
>both sides beat the shit of each other
>dwarf and high elves left significantly weakened
>two thousand years later
>still haven't recovered

lol

humans >>>>>>>>> everyone else

>>144526123
>>144525193

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Enjoying your 5 minute battles, "click unit -> click wall" sieges, and bland 6 different AI army comps yet?

;---)

>>144525847
I don't think I've ever built a battering ram in warhammer. Are they pretty much completely useless?

>>144526104
I'm sorry, I thought you might've been fucking with me.

Spaghetti is when you put your unit into the widest configuration possible, to minimize the chance of enemy fire and bombardments killing your units.

>>144525890
make a 1-model-thin line with a unit

most enemy ranged units can't do shit about this

>>144525903
Do you enjoy super aggressive horde style gameplay with genocidal hellvikings? Then yes. Could you not give a shit about Warhammer and just want to play a TW game? Wait until there is a sale.

>>144526179
They are too slow and normal infantry can already break open gates with some effort and you don't lose men doing it as no boiling oil.

>>144526171
>hm do I want a human male with a sword and shield
>a human male with a bigger sword
>a human on a horse
>or a human with a bow

How euphoric

>>144526171
History shitters need to get out of this thread. /TWG/ has been taken over by superior fantasy posters.

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Rome 1 is pretty fun guys

>>144526090

The Empire campaign is pure fuckery.

>get utterly rekt in a legendary playthrough
>restart on VH
>every single imperial province and several bretonnian factions all have Imperial Distrust
>impossible to get diplo going, reconquer reikland -15 for great power
>marienburg declares war, bretonnia declares war, averland declares war (averland a defensive ally of VC btw)

Restart again and it was a breeze, dat rng sometimes.

>>144526179
Fun fact is you can place a lord in it.
So conceivably you could smuggle Archaon into the plaza and take the city.

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>>144522910
More like big book of butt hurt. There have never been a more ass mad race of midgets than the dorfs. I wonder if their Gods have a page in the book for making their entire species bearded manlets.

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>>144525565

>He let the bat pup die

Fuck, how do i Orks? i'm playing on VH, and compared to Dwarf VH this one is much harder. My economy sucks, i can't win battle against dwarfes without suffering huge losses, and orcs around me are raiding all over the place.

>>144525817
>>144525979
>>144526171
Don't worry, teenager. One day you'll get a job and you'll be able to afford buying new games and the PC to run them and you won't have to make unsightly posts that broadcast how incredibly jealous you are. I mean, hopefully. You seem seriously autistic so maybe not.

>>144525817
med2 actually, and no its not one bit better than attila
>;-)
ironic shitposting is still shitposting, kill yourself you cunt

>>144526171
>passive-aggressive

You should probably take a break. Getting mad as stuff like this is not good for you.

>>144526407

>Elves

Still mad we stole your sparkly crown knife ear?

As VC Very Hard, Is it better to expand aggressively and take out the minor neighbours before they join the Empire? Or take it slow and spread corruption first?

How do I Empire on Very Hard? Everyone declares war without any reason and 2-3 stacks are sent at me every few turns.
Still takes me some time to get op Demigryphs or Steam Tanks.
Just how???

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Oh hey there Rome 2 launch AI, haven't seen you in a long time. You don't mind if we go ahead and set up our shield wall right here, do you?

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>>144526354

No.

Theres too much Warshitter saturation for a general thread which covers around a dozen different games

>>144526471

>orc campaign
>everything is horrible

I'm not seeing the problem here.

>>144525979
>roman ninjas
>entire units of incendiary pigs
>egypt from 2000BC
literally radious the game

>>144525719
You have this unit called slayers who are designed to kill big monsters

>>144526592
It's just the newest total war game, calm down.

>>144526380
>-40 Great Power

I COME BEARING GIFTS, WHY ARE YOU SUCH AN ASS TO ME

>try to spread corruption as VC
>Empire-confederated Stirland has TWO Shrines of Sigmar
>don't want to fuck with them since Chaos is dicking around at Bechafen
>friendly with Wissenland
>don't really want to expand north
>or to Western Border Princes and deal with angry manlet NATO
wat do

>>144526778
man up and expand north

>>144526675
Do not do this slayers are shit-tier

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What now? I'm still at war with the Skaelings and Varg, but about half the world is my vassal. Do I just try to stabilize my stuff and then go after the Norsca in their own lands? Can I just raze all Chaos settlements and not have to deal with Archaon ever again?

Also, it was really easy to get vassals once Archaon showed up.

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>>144526507

I have an income and am not interested in Warhammer in the slightest actually. Its arcadey as fuck looking and very apparent that having better units is more important than actual battle tactics. there's no more strategy involved

>>144526323
You mean to buy the game or just for the chaos DLC ?

The game is 42€ on G2A, I don't think I'll find better discounts for it in years

>>144526778

Expand North and be the vanguard against chaos, show those useless fucks that the undead are superiour.

>>144526830
Stop falling for memes, slayers are incredible against large nonhumanoid enemies

>>144526859
>this post
Go back and sperg your autism on TWC tbqh

>>144526859
Shhh, of course, honey. We believe you. The tears will go away soon.

>>144526824
>>144526882
War with the Empire it is then, I went full retard and let them colonize my borders.

>>144526559

As someone who plays VC exclusively on legendary, let me give you some advice.

You'll never be able to expand aggressively as the counts, because you cannot hold onto land without sufficiently corrupting it first. You will get massive public backlash and have rebellions every other turn.

Your economy also has a huge ramp up time as VC, and you need to make sure you keep what you have, because building up the VC economy is both expensive and time consuming.

>>144526867
It's 39 euro on cdkeys

>>144526859
This is you on history
People would be fine if anyone was actually talking about the older games instead of just being salty about the newest one

>>144526967
Yes I'm going to waste one unit of slayers just so they can die to being intercepted by anything
Ironbreakers rek huge creatures and survive the fight

>>144527112
>It's 39 euro on cdkeys
Thanks fellow understander

>>144527132

You're getting meme'd, the new meme is to say that bad units aren't bad, and that calling them bad is just a meme.

>>144527112
>guys why did you forget about my shitty game from 2008

God I don't know because we've played it for eight years already and there's nothing to talk about anymore?

>>144525719
>trollhammer torpedoes
>not utterly shitting on giants and spiders

There's something wrong here. Maybe they didn't have proper line of sight or something but these guys fuck shit up real hard.

>>144526967
slayers are garbage against large units

>>144526171
thanks to your superior arguements just decided to uninstall every tw game that came out after Medieval 2 and I'm gonna play some Europa barborum now my friend

is there a way to play custom battles without a lord to see how units do against each other mono-e-mono?
aka to see what kills the arachnarok mostly

>>144527547
Not that I know of but this would be awesome

>>144527319
Not him but the problem is their range sucks and they need line of sight.

So you need something to tarpit the monsters while the trollhammers do their work (and considering their cost, they take a while to kill Giants).

Plus, if the enemy has flying units, they can just land right on your Trollhammers and take them out the fight.

They are quite effective in the right conditions though.

>>144527102
this anon is right. I'm playing my first TW WH campaign as Vampires and I've defeated chaos but goddamn do I regret not taking my time. I took half the empire but I didnot have the inrastructure to keep it. Now I've lost half my empire to empire and greenskins raiding and sacking and my conomy is down the toilet

>>144527270
It's a meme because most people bashing half the games roster are semi-retarded in battles or just parroting what their favourite youtuber said.

>he started with R1 and think it's the best in the series

How does it feel to be the one responsible for the introduction of arcade mode?

>>144527841
I never say a unit is shit without trying it out extensively and I have to say you might as well replace the slayers with quarrelers because they do a horrible job at killing stuff

>>144528149
Wrong guy but thanks for the tip.

>>144527841
just made a custom battle. grudgebearer+slayers vs grimgore+arachnarok
"auto-resolve" bar says it was 45-55 in their favor. match ended like it was 0-10 to 90 in their favor

>>144528290
You mean they got wiped out or killed the spiders?

>>144528290
oh, should mention that grimgor just went after my king while slayers went after arachnarok. Slayers did 10-15% damage to the arachnarok's health before being wiped out.

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>"Slayers counter monsters"

This was a complete 1v1 as both lords were outside buff range apart from the Slayers getting a free charge on the spider's back. Truely a working counter.

>>144527653
The problem with Slayers and Trollhammers is that cannons do literally everything better, for less money and faster.

>>144528406
Slayers are unbreakable so I guess that settles it.

>>144526843
bump

>>144528454
Did you seriously expect them to 1v1 that?

>>144525603
HE'S WRONGED US

>>144528747
They're stated as a hard counter so at least doing more than half damage should be expected.

>>144528850
Would you expect a unit of spearmen to kill a unit of demis?

>>144528850
When I was 8 years old I was confused when I played Age of Empires 2 and I couldn't beat a War Elephant with a Pikeman

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>>144525603
>>144525834
the only good unit he added so far was the stone trolls. rest is shit

>>144529017
that's not how it works. arachnarok costs 2k. Slayers are 1100, slayers are STATED as being the hard-counter unit for large, monstrous units. These slayers aren't even doing the 50% damage they should be doing to be remotely balanced to the arachnarok in terms of cost. 5-15% of the arachnarok's life over the course of the battle during which other shit is happening. In your twenty stack the arachnarok costs 1 slot, you need like 5 slots of slayers to beat one.

>>144526843
You ignore the cunts and win the game silly.

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>>144528951
That's a pretty strawman argument. Slayers are an elite tier 3 specialised unit while Spearmen are tier 1 line infantry.

Here's the same test with Hammerers by the way. The Hammerers didn't get a charge (and are often considered the weakest tier 3 AP unit of the 5 factions). Judge for yourself.

>>144529363
how many slayers does it take to kill an arachnarok?
maybe you're supposed to flank the arachnarok with slayers or sometyhing so they can do double the 5% damage they do over the course of their life time for a whopping 10% contribution to the arachnarok kill :)

>>144529363
I assume it's the archers that wreck the slayers.

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>>144529315

>>144529496
I'm starting to think it's actually a joke unit of suicidal dwarfs

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Ok guys. GUYS. READ ME, I'm the famous , your FAVORITE MODDER. Radious, YES , I AM.

And RIGHT NOW I need a brainstorm of names and ideas.

I'm thinking in adding Night Goblin handgunners in zombie dragons (anti large/armor piercing/fire dmg and magical)

What do you think?

I think is a good idea. Oh , between time you can watch one of my fav.. NO , the best TW youtuber ever. Arch.
Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFhyxTfbWGo .

>>144529363
Test it against a giant.

>>144529524
From what I saw, it's the spiders AOE attacks will always one shot them since they have no armor and mediocre melee defense. That coupled with the low unit size for Slayers means they lose ground very quickly. While some Hammerers always got up from the Spider's attacks.

>>144529526
You didn't test this properly as Azhag has some kills on the slayers so both lords were in buff range.

Could someone please make a mod that removes the winds of magic effect from the campaign?

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>>144529526
>having such stupid test variables, using ungrim and "auras" to bolster the slayer's effectiveness.
Slayers with the lord's buff aura makes them almost kill one arachnarok at 2k gold for 2200 gold of hard-arachnarok-countering slayer units, let's try it without the buff

>>144529850
>You didn't test this properly as Azhag has some kills on the slayers so both lords were in buff range.

The Lords fought each other and buffed their units, Ungrim was being hit by the spider aswell. What is the problem with Lords being nearby.

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>>144529630

That's literally who most slayers are.

Only Slayers like Ungrim live long enough to be considered a legend.

Never really played multiplayer in total wars aside from co op campaign with friends.

Is it always this buggy? I think health isn't displaying properly and some stuff seems to be jumping around a bit. Might just be my australian ping though.

Have the other total wars had their multiplayer updated at all after release? Would like to see some expanded options. This game seems pretty damn fun for it with all the unit variety. Fuck spell cheesers though.

Just beat a monster heavy VC player with my dwarfs using slayers

>>144529990
>you will never remove Greenskin with Gotrek Gurnisson
Felix should technically count as a Dwarf Hero, since he's an honorary Dorf.

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>>144529948
ungrim is like 20x the fighter azhog is
This is my unbuffed test. Their lord stomped on mine because I didn't aura but the auras weren't in range anyways, I didn't want to risk it, microing slayers to completely surround the arachnarok makes them ALMOST go one for one, so if you park a slayer squad in the rear of an arachnarok they can actually be like 75% as cost efficient as they should against arachnaroks but that simply isn't possible in a real game with other orcs fighting alongside the spider so it doesn't matter. Slayers are garbo

>>144529990
For all the faults of the hobbit films i really liked seeing the dwarves fight. The first film was pretty good and the other two got progressively worse.

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>>144529817
As you wish senpai.

I get the feeling the reason they lose so hard versus the Spider is that the poison ruins their melee defense and they have no armor piercing to get through it's defenses.

Maybe the solution is as simple as giving them more AP damage and less base damage.

Is it possible to fire a lord? I've been rounding up some of the other Empire factions and for some reason they have a bunch of spare Lords sitting around with no army attached, and it's eating into my money

>>144529315
>>144529363
Yeah true, to be honest, I looked at the slayers when I started this Dwarf campaign yesterday cos obviously 1/2 of the faction leader dudes is the slayer guy, I didn't pick him because they look fucking shit. I WISH they were good, because they seem cool, but they don't appear to have any way of not dying. I mean, I get they're Slayers and all and that's sort of their point, but fuck, they should have twice as much melee defense or attack, or 50% resistance to projectiles, or as much charge bonus as a cavalry unit, or SOMETHING. If they're going to die so easily they should be able to destroy enemies super quickly too. That seems to be what they're supposed to be like, but I just don't see them doing a terrific job with those stats except against pretty specific things, but you might as well just take something else.

>>144527841

Like another anon said, I don't ever bash a unit unless I'd used it a lot and figured out it was just shit.

The games poorly balanced, lots of units are shit, that's just how it is. If someone gets deceived by a memer who said gyrocopters are great, and ignore the warnings, they'll just learn the hard way.

>>144530460

Yes, you do it the same way you give every other unit the boot.

>>144530640
Oh, I must have missed that. Probably because it was greyed out. Thanks!

>>144530410
how much life did the giant have left
and I 100% believe you. I didn't have too much trouble dealing with giants or vampire monsters, or chaos for that matter, as dwarves but arachnaroks SPECIFICALLY just fucking steamrolled me and I don't know what to do against them

>>144522705
I just beat the Vamps (as Empire) so bad they willingly became my vassals.
How fucked am I?

has anyone tried slayers vs VC monsters?

>>144530920
About "Tau accepting a deal with mind controlling worms" fucked

>>144530847
The Giant routed at around 10-15% health.

This is on large settings so despite being at around 15% themselves, the Slayers still have around 40% of their manpower so they might have been a bit lucky.

The Spider has 150 (!) armour so it does make sense the Slayers can't hurt it if they don't have a lot of AP even with anti-large.

>>144530373
Funny thing, the Tolkien Dwarves are much more diverse than just Gimli. There's ones who use swords, bows, etc.

I think slayers are super-bad. No good player lets their large units fight alone and unprotected. There's always big uns or black orcs or vargheists/ulfs/ians/whatevers around the feet so it can't get surrounded. Slayers are just a completely useless unit in that realistic scenario

>>144531124
If I had to guess I'd say a varghulf loses because of low leadership
Maybe I'm wrong

Is there is mod to make attack magic scale with unit size yet?

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>>144531218
The Slayers are disgraced Dwarfs who can only redeem themselves by gloriously dying in battle. Being a surviving Slayer is a strange case of being successfully unsuccessful.

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>tfw Love the idea of Gyrocopters
>tfw they are shit in game against anything but the most basic bitch infantry.
>tfw use them anyway
Its just cool to see them fly around and I like giving them names.

Also what are lore names I could give Dwarf Ironbreaker units?

>>144531218
What makes Slayers viable in the table top? Did anyone use them in warhammer fantasy battles? What got lost in translation if they were viable in that game?

Anyone pirated the game successfully? I want to give it a go and I know people have said if I can run Attila I can run Warhammer but I don't want to risk it.

>>144531493
Explosives also suffer from the same shit that magic does on higher unit sizes

Agents were a mistake

>>144530410
Can you do a test with one unit of dwarf warriors tarpitting the spider, with one dwarf cannon firing at it?

I'm 99% certain that in every scenario, cannons are better than slayers.

>>144531507
Never played fantasy but from the battle reports in WD the only ones who looked like they were worth shit were the slayer heroes, not the average joes.

>>144531614

just get an agent yourself

>>144525603

Radious in general is going straight into the book of grudges.

So what's the hardest campaign to complete? i've beaten my second playthrough as vampires on legendary, it was suprisingly easy because they ai is so fucking passive.
anything to make this harder?

>>144532014
Legendary WRE

>>144525603
No need for diverse factions :^)

Dwarf Boar Riders next?

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>>144532158

>>144532014
>>144532158
Legendary WRE + Europa Perdita

>>144524832
In my VC campaign I went north to shield the realms of man from the forces of chaos. I think it would be interesting to do the opposite and go for Border Princes > Tilea > Estalia > Bretonnia and just let the Empire burn.

>>144531493
I like to pause and play ride of the valkyries in the background as they fly in

>>144525603
Do warhammer dwarves don't use long axes?

>>144531857
It really isn't as simple as that. Agents get % bonus to succeed and % bonus to defend against actions with every level. Because the AI just levels its agents and lords for free basically every turn they're alive, you will always be outstripped even if you dump your entire economy into successful agent actions every turn, and eventually reach a critical point where their agents are just destroying yours and you have no arms to retaliate with.

>>144531614
You, get yourself a mod, what are you, new to total war? Fix your game.

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>>144531617
Spider ended up making a beeline for the Lord, so at first it was the Grumblers fighting the Orc Warboss and the Dwarf Lord the Spider.

Got that sorted out eventually, Cannon wasn't set up ideally because the Dwarf Cannon cannot angle at all and is easily obstructed so not all were firing the whole time.

Spider routed two times. Dwarfs have the cheaper setup here.

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>thread is up since 2 hours
>only just about 200 replies

/twg/ is dead already.

>>144532423
We just gotta wait for the anons playing Dol Amroth/Tomb Kings/Lizardmen to start posting

>>144532414
This would be better to test using multiplayer

>>144532345
They do, there is even versions of them in the basegame. Idk why he would add Dwarfs with marauder weapons.

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THE FLAMING FAGGOT COMES

>>144531302
No, just like there isn't one for aoe scaling for monsters and artillery.

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>mfw second expansion hits, they'll add a new event on turn 150 where Nagash awakenes and confederates all undead factions.

I'm having a shit tough time trying to play as Greenskins

Either Dwarves shit on me because I am fighting Top Knotz or vice versa, it's such a bastard. Top Knotz ends up with the entire map after a while. Their armies are tough shit too since they just spam Savage archers and Orc Cav is weak as shit until tier 3 which I can't even get to.

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>>144532712
CA think dey slick... dey dabbin!!!

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so progress report before bed, I've got all the Bretonian models used by Mousillon alone implemented with the help of a danish man.

HOWEVER as you can see from pic related., but im stuck, I have no idea how to implement the retextured weapons WITHOUT sharing them with all vc units.
if anyone knows how on earth you can force the weapons to belong to one (sub) faction thatd be neat if you can post it here or link .

anyway shitty blogpost aside check out some mousillon zombies attacking some inferior zombies.

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>>144532879
M-MASAKA!!

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>>144533050

>>144525458
I actually like tactics, m8

>>144532618

Yeah, I tried around 5 times but this is really hard to test fairly as you can't bait the enemy lord away when they are under threat from Artillery so they interefere way too much.

Just from the damage the cannons were doing, with base dwarf warriors and no lord intereference, I'd predict the Araknarok would be roughly 50-60% health by the time the warriors routed.

>>144533050
H-HE'S FAST

>>144532797
kill dwarfs asap. their main armies will start heading to the bad lands. once that happens smash their cities.

What the hell, for some reason gobbos last longer in a combat than boyz before breaking. If that because there are more of them?

>>144531146
FOR THE GREATER GOOD!

>>144524869
Stop listening to pixelated apollo and stop sucking cocks while you're at it

>>144533050
>>144533398
imagine having a chaos rapist charging across the battlefield at high speed straigh for your anus. that's more horryfiyng than any monster

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>sieging karak eight peaks as dorfs
>grimgor pops out of the ground
>bloody carnage ensues
>pyrrhic victory
>decide to pull back to valayas sorrow to regroup
>break siege
>thorgrim decides to put himself between karak eight peaks and grimgor

damn you, CA!

>Open steam
>Something starts downloading
>XCOM 2 workshop
>It's not the TWW balance patch

CAAAAAAAAAAAAA I CAN'T PLAY THE GAME IN THIS SHIT STATE

>>144533574
>pixelated apollo
??

>>144533753
>karak eight peaks
Now only Skaven are missing for some proper action there

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>>144533916
Nice blog you lame ass faggkt.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=696338475

>NOTE: this mod is purely cosmetic, if you are looking for armoured cataphract zombies (artillery) you shall be dissapointed

Ok who did this

>>144526859
>having better units is more important than actual battle tactics.

Literally every game in the entire series. Strategy matters fuckall in most of them when you basically have the same 3 tactics working flawlessly in every single game.

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This is some fucked up shit, turn 7 and I'm still not done with the Reikland because the Rebel fucking shits moved their stack against the Orcs where I couldn't reach them. Then they trespassed into Wissenland only to come back, aiming for Grunburg.

Also, ORCS.

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>>144531617
Just did this with Thunderers, both lords out of range and doing nothing for the entire fight. Picture is when the spider reaches the Thunderers line.

Thunderers were firing at around 100 range while the Spider was tarpitted and did miss quite a few shots. At 50 range, I'm fairly sure the spider would be dead. It did take the Spider around 2 minutes to rout the Warriors though.

Is there no mod to remove the battle difficulty lock on legendary? I fucking hate not being able to break goblins when playing dorfs, and it's already near impossible to survive as them as it is.

>>144534513
why didn't you attack eilhart?
then they'd lose units to attrition

So /twg/ how would you balance Bretonnia out right now? What units would you add, and what would you fill the garrisons with?

>>144534279
He has been posting in this thread and the other threads for a while now.

>>144534813

Bretonnia should be a weak faction, just like in TT

>>144534678
Slayers truly were the biggest mistake.

Thanks for confirming, anon.

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This shit is sillier than warhammer
Camels chasing down people who fight with slings

Also warhammer is like the worst possible thing to play before Attila, you go from simple starts where the first war is obvious to trying to erase Judaism in order to stop rebellions

>>144531507
They never have been a top-tier unit either but they raped whatever unit they went in combat with, mostly because of attacking with full manpower, even if going last/being charged, and double weapons

they fall like flies against projectiles tho

also, keep in mind that in the tabletop, there is no such a thing as 4000HP giants, most monster models have around 4-8 wounds (and every attack you connect, has a 1/6th chance to always deal a wound, except for additional saves)

>>144534813
Make their cav cheaper. Every cav unit doesn't need to be way stronger. There just need to be more of them.

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>>144534279
see
>>144532987
get spooked.

>>144532987
you can't, best chance is to make a copypasta of the weapon, retexture it, and assign it to the zombies

>>144533753
>early game Empire
>Manny is making some movements to the west so I move to hit him hard outside Fort Oberstyr
>He attack first
>Close defeat because army routed like pussies despite beating 1300 of his 2000 troops
>left with half the army, I can still finish this
>Franz retreats back towards the Fort, Manny attacks and beats me with the fort reinforcements
>Franz gets wounded, army retreats in the middle of the Vamp Badlands
what the fuck.

>Mod that changes greatswords to full plate
>Already beat game as Empire
Shiiiieeeeeeeeet what a waste. When will we be able to dress up our units however we want, that seems like warhammery thing to be able to do.

>>144535192
well shit, as with the zombies it doesn't particulary matter, but when it comes to the grave guard/skeletons it starts to be MUCH more noticeable if regular skeletons have the bret shields too

>>144535167
>>144532987
Fecking awesome m8, good job! Maybe you could change the colour of the metal parts to make them look more old. This mod changed the colour of armor pieces, I don't know if this is possible for your mod though.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=691664240&searchtext=

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Decided to see how slayers fair against missile damage (they fall pretty quick fyi)

Took some pics. Goddam game is beautiful. Didn't really realize til i turned the graphics up high and started zooming in close. The visuals just aren't optimized for the kind of view you use to play regularly

Slayers have like 5 different jumping attack animations and another 2 or 3 grounded ones. Gotta appreciate the work put in there. Shame all their models look so samey and they're prone to beard clipping. dem abs tho

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Anyone have a larger unit sizes mod that actually works? There's the double unit sized but I'm pretty sure doubling will melt down my computer

>>144535687
possibly anon, but atm I'm trying to get Mousilon only skins implemented

>>144534024
Whines about shit being arcadey as much as you do on youtube

>>144535687
Wish thier was a version of that mod without the dismounted knights. I like the other units I just don't think thier should also be foot knights for empire

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>>144535914
Stunties got some hops on 'em

I didn't believe you guys that Greatswords were amazing because the first time I tried them it was in a losing campaign and they got wrecked by three Vampire stacks swarming everything, and I was losing the campaign badly at that point so I abandoned it and played as dorfs

But now I played Empire again and holy shit these guys are better than Ironbreakers, they routinely get 100+ kills in a fight

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Who will stop this madman?

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>get engineer to level 15

Oh for fuck sake. I swear this is why Varg/Skaelig even exist, just so you can get your last shit done.

>>144536127
>you do
Whats with these retards thinking its always the same guy

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any advice for dealing with the spookies?

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>>144536394
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

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>>144536378
Last one. The detail on the warboss is pretty insane

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>>144536394
>>144536581

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>>144536394
>>144536581
>>144536763

Has anyone playing Vamps ever actually had corruption cause an rebellion in human lands?

Do you get the town if the rebellion takes it?

>>144536842
it should say t. Radious (Great Weapon) (Artillery)

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not even close

>>144536889
No. Rebels get it.

>>144537047
So corruption's only benefit is making it hard for people to attack your land then

okay

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>>144536981
>those unit sizes

>>144536981
how the fuck did those gunners not get raped

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I need to fight 5 greenskin armies as Karl Franz for this quest?

But I'm already at war with Middenland and Nordland, and at war with the Vampires, and Chaos just spawned

>>144536981
>he doesnt play on ultra unit size
lmao
m
a
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>playing as bretonnia, with the mod
>because they have so few units, you can get the best units in a really short amount of time
>proceed to steamroll over everyone in my area
>tfw watching grail knights slam into little dwarves sending them flying

>>144537108
If rebels take a town you can take it from them without being at war with the parent faction

>>144536127
PA's right though. even though Warhammer is a great game

>>144537185
Game isn't balanced for Ultra since magic, ability reliant units (like Gyros or Lumiark) and most Arty don't scale with it.

>>144537154
Make peace with Middenland and Nordland so they can focus on Chaos and you can focus on spooks and greenskins

>>144537108
>be at peace with empire
>cause rebelleion
>Rebels take city from the Empire
>you now take city from rebels
>avoid war with the Empire while taking their land
yeah real fucking pointless

>>144537108
It also helps prepare the way for your advance into those provinces, that way they don't start rebelling three turns after you take them.

>>144537154
Welcome to the Empire!

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>>144537216
Ok Russia. Give back Crimea

>>144537185
I will only change to ultra when they fixed ability damage and other shit that gets nerfed by switching to ulta

>>144527789
I have dwarf shits sacking me and razing me. Everything just went to shit lategame as vampire cunts.

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>had 2 grudges left to settle before winning the campaign
>while doing those, get 3 more grudges
>do those 3 new grudges
>every time i complete one another one pops up

FUCKING BOOK STOP THIS

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Make the REIKLAND great again! VOTE Karl Franz!

>>144537934

WE'RE GONNA BUILD WALLS FOLKS
GREAT BIG WALLS
ORCS, THEY BRING THEIR BOYS, THEIR WAAAGHS

>>144537898
Stop playing an incomplete game

>>144525565
>>144525806
kys

>>144538141
That's accurate dwarf gameplay though

>>144537898
>questioning the book

THAT'S GOIN IN THE BOOK

>>144536394
>armored night goblin armored wolf cavalry ( light cavalry )

The memes have ascended to reality

>>144538141

Oh, I'm sorry. Let me just go back and never experience something new in any series. Let's all just go back to fucking Pong because anything newer than that is SHIT with SHIT TACTICS, only NEWER BALLS WINS EVERY TIME NO STRATEGY INVOLVED.

>>144524351
say my name
SAY MY NAME

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oi! deze humie gits fink wes defendin!

>>144538354

That's a big empire army

>>144538267
>reading comprehension
I said incomplete game not newer game

>>144538451

But you mean newer when you say that, because I'm not stupid enough to not spot that you're one of those
>MEDIEVAL 2 IS PERFECT NEVER NEED TO PLAY ANYTHING ELSE :^)
people.

>>144538354
pictures wont work alone, make webms

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This autoresolve does not have my consent.

>>144537934
MOD for black armor Karl when?

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Reminder to all Bretonnians to vote OUT in the upcoming Elf Union referendum, unless you want your laws made by unelected forest spirits in Athel Loren.

>>144537934

Show me the tools to import them, and export textures and I'd have it done today.

>>144538665

Lad Bretonnia think the elf lady a God

>>144538534
No you fucking retard,TWW is an incomplete game until they add more faction/units/territories or atleast patch broken shit.Its been less than a month and I already completed a campaign with each faction and got bored of it

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I'm trying to wipe out the Skaeling and Varg, where the hell is this settlement? I've looked everywhere.

Also does Archaon and the Chaos Warriors come back even if the Skaelings and Varg are all dead, and there's no un-razed settlements?

If so where do they spawn?

>>144526592
Which game/mod is this?

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So is there any reason to not just use chosen great weapons instead of regular chosen?

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>still playing Shogun 2
why am I even alive

>>144538841
>I've looked everywhere
>the very screenshot you posted is full of FOW

get it together Tyrone

>>144538805

Then you mean to say you think it lacks content, rather than it is a factually incomplete game.

You need to learn to use words more efficiently.

>>144538918
the only thing i can think of is the shield, but if you take 1-2 units to form a screen you might be good without the rest.

>>144538841
Chaos warriors have absolutely nothing to do with Norscans and spawn in the Chaos Waste, so no. And it is behind that red outline showing you where the settlement borders are, at the end of the visible road on the ground.

>>144538598
I've had a full army against a single 10 hp chaos lord. Auto resolve was only about 70% in my favor.

>Play battle
>Hit by 1 rocket
Holy shit son that was close, another 30 seconds and he might've killed a single guy

>>144538805

That's still retarded, because you're bored with it you are telling other people to stop playing? What are some kind of child?

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>>144538974

>>144538909
Napoleón

>>144539043
Great weapon units have more armor than their shielded counterparts, outweighing the difference.

>>144526354
can we not coexist

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>Heinrich Kemmler defending Castle Drakenhof with 6/20 units (I just beat Mannfred)
>"good, once this turn is over I'll siege it and be done with them!"
>end turn
>try to siege it
>Heinrich Kemmler now has 20/20 units in a full stack
I call bullshit!

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>>144523281
>spend 100 turns pacifying norsca
>empire factions just send stacks after stack destroying the weak tribes that I have awoken while I lay waste to their land unchallenged
Just fucking fix it CA

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>they don't even offer to pay me to become my bottom bitch

Into the book y'go, skellieflogger.