/fog/ - Fallout General

>>144402624
Waifus, Lore, Harmony.

Fuck consoles

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Waifus bring death to all synths

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Could someone please tell me where this armor's from? I'd really appreciate it.

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I swear I post this at least twice a thread;

It's The Rebel, it's not on nexus as the author sperged out. I did the retexture, you can have it if you want. Chest rig is from SCGRU. Weapon is Modern Firearms, also not on nexus currently due to admin sperg out.

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> Survivaling in Far Harbor
> Walking along the road to the southern coast from town
> [DETECTED] the entire way
> Never learn what was following me
This game is too spooky

>>144402820
Rebel which IIRC was taken down

>>144402892
Oh so someone retextured it? Is there a way of getting a hold of the retexture if so?

>>144402871
I'd love the retexture if you wouldn't mind uploading it. And I'm new to /fog/, hence the question.

Disregard >>144402935

>>144402892
>>144402871
It's back up
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/10382/?

>>144402892

Rebel is still on the nexus

maybe he put it back or something

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>>144403028
https://mega.nz/#F!0MgQyLCa!wxKKDbp6x0veyST3MSR0VA

Helmet's in there too.

>>144403180
Neato.
Any explanation as to why he flipped his shit and went all SHUT IT DOWN?

>>144402875
>following road to somewhere in far harbour
>road curves back on itself up ahead
>decide to take a shortcut through some tree's instead of walking around
>hop car barrier onto road
>take 3 steps
>suddenly 7 mines ticking all around me
>didn't bother with any shortcuts after that

Also, the detection is probably just rad rabbits

>>144403309
Thank you, really appreciate it.

Are turrets useful for anything more than an early-warning system or should they be seriously considered for settlement defense?

>>144403309
I just looked through the talk page on the mod and every single post is 'gib xbox pls'.
So I'm guessing that's it.

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Honk.
I don't know if I should include the little connector though.
On one hand, I want to be somewhat true to the source.
On the other hand, I don't want that cable and connector just dangling or clipping with junk.
Its also just over 6k tris now.
Thinking about modeling on the other band to replace the two side poofs above the ear protector things, but I kinda like them too.

>>144403309
>Any explanation
No idea, they've been up for most of today though

>>144403395
I'd imagine you'd be right, the shitters are everywhere
The Nexus mods are anal enough to eventually go through banning all these new accounts that only ever post "gib xbox pls" right? This shit surely comes under spam or something

>>144403492
I'd kind of like it to sit a bit loose on the head, in a cute, baggy way for females.

>>144403492
i'd remove that cable/connector if i were you unless you're planning on making something that connects to it somehow.
Are you gonna make it so longer hair can come out the bottom of it?

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>>144403686
It would be a alternate style type probably.
And I wouldn't want to make it too big.
and would probably tweak some shit for it being all tilted.
Basic idea though?

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>>144403686
Sorry that wasn't really helpful at all. In answer to your questions, I think the ear caps area should be a bit bigger a bit like this. Or go more flappy like a Ushanka. I like the connector and I think it would look good on a lot of armours, if it's close enough to the chest, it will probably just look like it's tucked into the collar on most outfits.

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>>144403827
Nice one dude, that'll look great.

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>>144403818
Yeah, possibly gonna remove it.
I don't want to deal with all the fucking clipping that would come of it.
But it might work if it just clips into shit.
Like under a collar so it looks like its just tucked in.
Maybe make it look like someone cut it off or something so it wouldn't annoy them.
Will know more once I get it all compiled and shit to check it in engine.
>>144403829
I want to make the flaps bigger, but worry about clipping with anything with a collar.
Working on tweaking it now.
>>144403962
Thanks.
Its cool to be able to make something and not have to really worry about a tris limit.

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>>144403309
>>144403395
>>144403569
And that's only the first two pages of the comment section.

>>144404267
>all this spoiled 12 year olds ruining mods for everyone
I am a console pleb, but fuck these idiots.
I also dislike that there is not real support for making mods for xbox beyond "buy it on pc and make the mods".
I have it for xbox because I have an integrated gpu on my laptop that Fo4 doesn't want to run on.
Why the fuck would I spend another like $60 to make mods when I can't run the game?

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My character is stuck in some kind of sad/squinty facial expression state. I googled the problem to death and couldn't find any solutions. caa didn't work. SLM doesn't help it either. Could anyone help me with this? Pic related.

Did someone make super long animu twintail hairstyle yet?

I want to see em wobble now that there's hair physics (I think)

Is Pickman's Blade the best stealth melee weapon in the game? Also, raiders are hypocrites, calling Pickman sick when they string people from chains.

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>>144404559
This is how he's supposed to look like with neutral expression

>>144404420
Kill yourself.

>>144404420
Oh shit I can get it to launch.
Too bad it runs terribly and has a shit ton of artifacting.
Thats what I get for using integrated graphics.
>>144404812
I've been thinking about it.

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>>144404559

>>144404559

>Click your toon
>setrace synthgen1race
>setrace humanrace

Should work, probably.

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>>144404897
pls help, i can't cleanse the wasteland like this

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>>144404951
>toon

>>144404420
Making mods is free if you own the game you fucking retard. Just download the CK.

>>144404175
If you don't wanna remove it outright, you could redo it and make it look like they've taped it to the side of the helmet to keep it out the way, though that'd be a lot more work than just getting rid of it

>>144404267
>As both a PC and Console player
Sure you are mate, sure you are
Fucking plebs holy shit

>>144404873
Have you tried killing the shadows and dumb fucking lighting fx this shit is full of?

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>>144404951
thanks for the suggestion, didn't help unfortunately

>>144405018
You're fucked. The way expressions work mean that there is no way to reset them to default. Save before you use the expression commands in future.

>>144405024
I don't spend a lot of time here.

>>144405126
Mess with expression cmds, then.

LM presets might force it back, I don't think it tracks expressions.

>>144405073
I have the ck installed, but it needs a pc install to work.
Which is easy enough to work around by just pirating the game. But is obviously not the intended use.
>>144405087
Yea.
Its in full on toaster mode.
Which is a shame that it runs so terribly when I have an I7 (albiet a mobile one) and 16g of ram.
But no actual gpu makes every run like shit outside of toaster. And even then I can't play shit newer than 2010.
I am working on getting a good comp, its just slow going.

>>144404664

you can apply the stealth blade mod to a better legendary knife

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>>144405145
Funny thing is I only made this new character two weeks ago and I didn't use any expression commands since. He also looked normal until like a few days ago. I thought it'd go away itself but it didn't so here I am.

>>144405076
I'm gonna wait to see how it looks with actual gear, but if I edit it to remove the connector I am probably just going to make it look like someone either cut it off, or ripped it off so that it would stop hitting them in the neck.

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>>144405225
All of them fail, saying that either the cited expression doesn't exist (it does) or my character already has that animation. When I pick a preset in LM it does the exact same silly expression. Thanks anyway.

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>>144405230
Forgot my image.
Its running a bit hot atm, but thats cause I have F04 open while I fuck with more shit and try to get it to run with some semblance of framerate.
And its a laptop, so it runs hot anyway.
I was going to get a tower, but I needed a computer for college and having just a tower for college would be pretty dumb. So I got an "ultrabook". But this was like 3 years ago and when I had the funds to get a computer, I didn't have the space for a tower and monitor. /blog

>>144402871
Would someone please direct to this helmet? I've been trying to find a K6-3 for ages.
I even started making one but I couldn't texture it well enough to bother.

>>144405445
Running out of half-assed ideas. Try sexchange. Fucked if I know.

>>144405230
Get 3d Analyzer, you pleb.

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>>144405530
>84°C
>89°C
>a bit hot
>a bit

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>>144405360
I was thinking something like this for the wire.
Hard to see granted, but still there kinda.

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>>144405731
The expression persists on the female as well as when i revert back to male with sexchange. Guess I'm fucked. Thanks anyway anon.

>>144405573
Nevermind, realised someone else already linked it.

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>>144405573
C'mon man, the thread is only 50 posts and you didn't read it?

It's within the reply chain of the post you linked...


>>144405850
I ran a 2670QM at 95C+ for years, they can handle hot temps. That mother board is fucking on fire though. Prop it up off the desk on some little stands or something, get the air flow going.

>>144405873
I like it how it was, but each to their own.

>>144405909
Tried going into Cutscenes/Dialogue? Does it persist or change?

>>144405850
>"What is sarcasm?"
>>144406050
That was just a proof of concept type thing.
The connector is still there.

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>>144406050
The animation during the cutscene/dialog changes to how it normally does when a character speaks, but reverts back when you exit the dialogue so yeah it persists.

>>144406182
And you can't change the expression with console? Or it just resets?
That's a curly one.

>>144406050
I thought the rebel outfit only came with a hood/mask? does it come with that Russian helmet too or am i retarded and not seeing a post with the helmet in it

>>144406182
>>144406243
You don't have some unknown lemon sucking effect active on your guy do you?

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>>144406243
Nah it simply gives me the "FAILED" error in the console, claiming that my character already has this animation (which he doesn't since i tried them all). caa on its own doesn't help either yeah. Guess my general zod is fucked.

>>144406352
>>144403309
I missed it too, until I actually read the thread post-by-post.

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>>144406352
>am i retarded and not seeing a post with the helmet in it
See
>>144403309
>Helmet's in there too.

>>144406474
>>144406492
Cheer's, i'd completely overlooked that post

>>144406472
Keep looking through this;
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/8275/?
You might find something.

>>144406472
Could be that, somehow, your default animation somehow got fucked.
If you have it on steam try validating it.

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Hey /fog/

Since the patch I keep having issues with script-based mods like Spring Cleaning and Companion Infinite Ammo randomly ceasing to work, while others continue to work fine.

The strange thing is that some were working after the patch that have since stopped.

I'm running Fallout beta 1.5.210 with F4SE 0.1.15.

Anybody else had this shit?

>>144406930
same here some mods dont work now.

>>144406930
If you want stable performance... don't use beta's?

It's literally what a beta is for. Testing for bugs.

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>>144406791
Some work! But for some reason I can't pick neutral or player. Only obnoxious ones like angry, etc. I guess this should do it nevertheless, thanks a lot anon.
>>144406914
I don't have it on steam But earlier saves has my character having the neutral (normal) expression.

I don't know the true extent of this, because I've only just recently noticed, but why does it seem like so many mod authors are quitting all of the sudden, and will they come back? Is it really because of console drama?

Because after Niero and various others, I'm starting to get a bit worried that this trend is going to continue.

If I mod my level early in a playthrough will enemies scale with me?

>>144407814
>but why does it seem like so many mod authors are quitting all of the sudden, and will they come back? Is it really because of console drama?
Theres been like two, and they sucked balls anyways.

>>144407793
I have no fucking idea what you did then.
You somehow fucked up the default pose but only in that save.
Its probably something console related, but I can't be sure.

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>>144407787

I started using the beta version of Fallout so the latest beta of F4SE would work. Hoping the F4SE update would fix the problem.

>>144407793
It really sounds like you changed your expression - which can't be reset- and forgot to save before.

>>144407814
So he quit modding altogether? Thought he just got burned out on Maxwell's World.
Loved the Fireworks Cannon and Plasrail and was hoping he'd do more weapons because he does a good job on them. This sucks.

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>>144407905
Beats me as well. It might be related to the Immersive Facial Animation Remade mod that I dl'd approximately a week ago but deinstalling didn't help it either.

>>144408081
The author of Maxwell's World is trainwiz, not Niero. And I doubt trainwiz is going anywhere any time soon, he's been modding since morrowind and has finished a lot of projects.

I do agree that Niero's weapon mods were good, though. It was something different from the generic real world rifles, which is something Fallout 4 desperately needs more of. I like seeing weapons that have a unique feel and/or playstyle.

>>144408243
Niero did create the Maxwell's world weapons though, I should note. Was that what you were referring to? Trainwiz mentioned recently that he finished all of them that was needed except for That Gun and the DP-12 or whatever.

>>144408243
I know it's Train's mod but Niero was doing models for him with plans for other shit like the bio weapon from the concept art.

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>>144408067
But I really cannot recall doing anything like that. The only CMD commands I use is TCL for building and TGM, TM & TFC for pics. I've also found out the animation that was stuck on my character's face was "inPain". Maybe it got stuck after a battle?

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for people looking for the banned Modern Firearms Mod still, here is the latest update and the hotkey plugin. credits to idlesheep for the bad ass mod, enjoy people

http://sharemods.com/yjp1a0twg03v/2.11_NEW_UPLOAD-11226-2-11.7z.html
http://sharemods.com/79ptr6dzbk2r/Hotfix_1.2d-11448-1-2d.rar.html

>>144408341
Yeah, I think the bio weapon was gonna be for another quest mod he had planned, though. I hope it doesn't get cancelled because Niero quit, though.

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>>144408138
Well no shit sherlock, of course it is. Why didn't you mention that.

Reinstall it.
Reset your expression.
Save
Uninstall
Quit game
Load
Save
Quit game
Load again.

For a start.

>>144408341
The biopweapons were for Courser Crusher.

>>144408421
Is it possible to get this back on consoles?

>>144408421
Stop shilling your fucking refferal link crap you faggot.

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>>144408421
I couldn't stand modern shit in NV or F3 and I felt most other people didn't either. Is that no longer the trend.

>>144408519
Do you think you'll be able to find another person to do the model for it, assuming Niero doesn't return? It did seem like it was an interesting concept for a weapon.

>>144408620
It's a good thing no one has a modern gun to your head forcing you to install a mod.

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>>144408678
kek

>>144408620
the only weapons i out right refuse to use are plastic/polymer based ones.
Otherwise modern shit doesn't bother me so long as it isn't brand new pristine style textures.

I just really wish Beth would be consistent in what weapons are/are not in the universe, if they're gonna redesign weapons that already featured in previous games (eg the redesign of the gatling lazer) then have the older models in the game as well.
and if you're gonna release the game with an AK icon appearing when you hotkey an assault rifle, atleast include a fucking AK in the damn game

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>>144408678
kek, anon. I'm not going to I just remember loads of '>rails' back when this was mostly NV.

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>>144408518
Didn't work m8, animation persists in the two new saves.

Is it possible to assassinate the leaders of the BoS and Institute before the final assault on both? If I do so, will the factions they're associated with become hostile, assuming I do it undetected?

>>144409000
>the only weapons i out right refuse to use are plastic/polymer based ones.

So you refuse to use vanilla FO4 weapons and mods?

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>>144407793

lol my sanctuary bridge broke and disappeared for whatever reason i do not know, so i had to make a new one for the provisioners to use, the damn brahmin were going nuts without it and getting stuck in the water otherwise, don't think it looks to bad myself now.

>>144408642
No idea, Niero was damn good and willing, which is rare combinations

>>144409085
>So you refuse to use vanilla FO4 weapons and mods?
I suppose?
I meant it more as in rifles like the SCAR or the ACR i just don't like the look of them, just seem toyish to me, like they aren't a real gun

>>144409258
You're mom's good and willing :)

>>144409064
Yes, its exactly like NV where if Crocker or Caesar die for whatever reason, those factions become hostile to you, even if you do it 100% undetected.

Did they finally add more weapons/armor choices/actual content, or is this crapsack still not even worth torrenting?

>>144408421
>refferal link crap

people were requesting this mod for the last few days now so i uploaded it for them and others that would like to use it too, dunno what you mean? if you don't like it, don't use it, i don't really care, i'm just trying to be a nice guy is all

>>144408583
i have no control over the console version thats a bethesda.net issue, the pc version can be dragged and dropped in, the console version has to be uploaded to bethesda.net in order to utilize it, sorry

>>144409484

" That new recruit shows up, goes inside to see Maxson, five minutes later runs out and jumps off the ship. Ten minutes later, Maxson is found dead and stripped. Had to be him."

>>144409163
Better than vanilla tbqh.

>>144409258
I thought Kos was doing your modelling?
Maybe hat guy would be interested, his tanker hat looks alright.

>>144409628
yeah you're a fucking saint.

http://sharemods.com/
>Share mods, earn money!

fuck off with you referral link bullshit and just host it on a regular file-sharing site.

>>144409686
Kos models monsters and set pieces, but not weapons

>>144409517
What you do is up to you, y'know?

>>144409258
Huh, I see. Well, if worst comes to worst, I'm sure it's worth asking around. Seems like FO4 has a lot of weapon modders, if the number of weapon mods released before the CK was even out is any indication. Gotta be someone who can pull it off and is willing.

Hopefully Niero does decide to return at some point, either way though. Loving his Plasrail, and that Heavy Incinerator you've been showing off for Maxwell's World is something I'm glad to see too, as it or the normal Incinerator was one of the previous game weapons I was most hoping to see made for FO4.

>>144409848
Excuse my ignorance, but what's the difference between modelling a weapon and a bench or a monster and a coat?

So what does /fog/ think of the mod scene so far?
Personally, i just don't know. The mods seem a bit underwhelming to me.
I have a lot of stuff that polishes and adds little things to the game but when will we get worthwhile stuff like Project Nevada?

>>144409968
Fallout has always had a lesser mod scene compared to TES, and always had a far higher % of shitty mods.

Theres maybe 10 actually decent mods for either Fo3 or NV, and all of those took far loner to make then the CK has been out for Fo4.

>>144409968
When the official patches stop. It's much too hard to do a full re balance when the game is changing under you.

>load Fo4 on my xbox under a different profile
>has all the mods from my profile
What the fuck? Why?

>>144409968
Shit and It's never going to get better.

>>144410021
>and always had a far higher % of shitty mods.

I disagree. Maybe TES mods are better because the TES modding scene is bigger but New Vegas mods are in no way shit.
There's some great fucking mods out there for NV, tell me if there's a mod for TES that makes the environment destructible. There isn't.

>>144409925
Setting the weapon up in a way it can use existing carry/reload animations.
Since you can't add new animations, you have to rig the mesh to existing ones, which greatly limits the weapons you can add and is a pain in the ass is to set up, as the magazine/clip always has to be in the right spot, etc.

>>144409968
Not much is out yet, but you have to remember the CK has only been out for a short time. And judging by the number of mods already made, even if simpler ones, and the number of endorsements and downloads, there are a LOT of people using them. Maybe even moreso than Skyrim, because there are already mods like True Storms that have 40k+ endorsements this early. Seems pretty active, certainly much moreso than previous Fallout games.

A Project Nevada for Fallout 4 is probably gonna take some time, though.

>>144409817
you got another file locker that doesn't make money without registering to it, ill upload the fucking file to that place to then if it shuts you the fuck up, i really don't care??? i'm not making a fucking dime off this and your being a fucking troll. i don't host files all the fucking time, i don't know what ones are good or not. all i know is i didn't have to register to upload the fucking thing to the sharemods, god damn no pleasing any of you fuckers is there?????? take the tampon out of your fucking vagina because all you know how to do is bitch!

>>144410112
>tell me if there's a mod for TES that makes the environment destructible. There isn't.
The one for NV only worked on a few objects, run like shit, and didn't take into account the rest of how the game played.

which is a shit mod defined.

Autism devoted to bloatware features =/= quality mods.

>>144410021
>Theres maybe 10 actually decent mods for either Fo3 or NV,

I'd wholeheartedly disagree but that's /subjective/ so we'll just leave that.

>Fallout has always had a lesser mod scene compared to TES,

However, on nexus FO4 is approaching 3's total mod number already, and the total downloads is even closer. I think we'll certainly overtake 3 and probably NV by the end of the year at this rate. If we keep going it'll pass Oblivion in ~16 months.

>>144409968
Most of them so far have been focused on adding shit Beth should have included from the get go but generally, i'm just disappointed by the lack of weaponry we've been getting, even just a simple port of the NV/f3 guns is something i would have expected to have been up by now.

Side note; what ever happened to millenia, i dropped f4 around january and only recently started getting back into it, i'd have thought he'd have released more than two (one, really) retex by now

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>>144410296
Forgot image.

>>144410343
>i'm just disappointed by the lack of weaponry we've been getting, even just a simple port of the NV/f3 guns is something i would have expected to have been up by now.

I figure it's because of animations and Beth's decision to make most guns left handed.

A classic Fallout/NV weapons mod is what this game really needs.

>>144410343
Actually i think there are no ports because it's forbidden to rip content from the previous titles and upload them onto the Nexus, you have to make the models from scratch.
But yeah, i guess the Nexus could use a little bit more weapons.

>>144410343
I don't think the nexus will allow direct ports of weapons from previous games, but I'd expect the more unique ones like the grenade machinegun will be remade eventually.

And Millenia is definitely still active. He recently posted this. http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/images/35201/?

He also posted this, but says it may need custom animations. http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/Images/12711/?

>>144410172
>(((I've been found out)))

You could just upload it to mega like literally everyone else.

>>144410426
if nexus wasn't banning good mods for the stupidest fucking reasons those mod and download numbers would go up real fucking fast

>>144410505
And speaking of previous Fallout weapons, another glance at the nexus images reveals these.

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/images/34515/?

http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/Images/31829/?

>>144410519
Well, i understand their decision.
The Nexus is a big fucking site and with this sort of relevance they could definitely run into some legal trouble if they let copyrighted shit run through the site for free.

>>144410584
>http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/images/34515/?

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>>144410516

don't want it, don't fucking download it then asshole. maga forces me to create an account to upload one fucking file, im not doing that.
go fuck off with your mega bullshit. like i said, if you don't want it, don't fucking download it. i don't fucking give two shits

>>144410090
why are you playing on a console?

>>144410021
>>144410265
>NV had bad mods

lol what

sometimes people just make up the most inexplicable shit i just dont understand

Anyone know of a mod that allows you to rename settlers on Xbox? Looking for one kind of like the "dont call me settler" mod.
>inb4 smug anime faces posted with >xbox

>>144410695

if you so much as don't suck the mods dicks on there just right they ban you even, not just copyright bullshit either tho

>>144410802
I enjoy games that are console only and want to play them and other games I enjoy.
And my pc is too shit atm due to being a college work laptop and not a gaming computer.
I plan on getting a tower soon, just not right now.
Its a good enough computer to run most games, just not many new AAA releases.
I get like 25ish fps in gta V, but can't run Fo4.

What are some ideal starting stats for Survival mode?

>>144410484
>i think there are no ports because it's forbidden to rip content from the previous titles and upload them onto the Nexus
Well that's just gay, would beth even care about such a thing?

>>144410505
>>144410584
>those WIP's
wew lads
But shit, checked one of millenias other WIP pics (the AK), top comment is already asking for xbox support.

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>>144410775
You sound horribly upset for someone "not giving a shit".

Also:
>maga forces me to create an account to upload one fucking file
It doesn't. It's literally drag and drop.

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>>144410909
>console

>>144410802

I play on console. Not the same guy, but generally people choose consoles because they last longer and require less money over time. $500 every ten years is better than $2000 every six months.

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>>144410909
>xbox

>>144411127
>$500 every ten years is better than $2000 every six months.
This has to be a troll right?

>>144411127
where did you get the "$2000" every month figure from?

>>144411127
same here. consoles are just convenient as long as your life isnt dictated by video games

>>144411127
You're either a clueless idiot or posting the worst bait I've ever seen, and therefore still an idiot.

>>144410949

problem with consoles is they have always sucked and will suck when it comes to modding and unfortunately bethesda.net is a shit show, and a completely failed experiment.

>>144411127
>but generally people choose consoles because they last longer and require less money over time

But...anon...you're thinking of PC. PC lasts longer and requires less money over time.

>>144411080
>console
you couldnt even get it right

>>144411230
why are you posting on a video games hobbyist board if you're not a video game hobbyist?

>>144411071
mega asking me for registration bro

if you don't want it fine, don't care troll

>>144411215

Pulled straight from my ass. Main thing I was trying to say is parts have to be replaced often on a gaming PC whereas you pay once for a console and you're done until next gen.

>>144411197
Everyone knows you need to buy a new GPU every 3 months for peak performance.

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>>144411127
>last longer
fair enough

>>144411429
>parts have to be replaced often on a gaming PC


no they do not

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>>144411127

>>144410112
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/26017/?

There's a reason we don't do destructible environments actually. The game supports it totally, but it comes with many risks.

>>144411429
>>144411127

I think you're very confused. Drop 800 dollars on a computer and you have a system powerful enough to run most new release games better than consoles do, which will last you well into the next console generation. Couple this with cheaper game prices and outright piracy if you don't mind, and PC is definitely the cheapest way to play video games. This is opposed to the 500 you need to drop on the console itself, 60-90 dollars each new game, the online sub price, etc.

>>144411282
>consoles have always sucked
Consoles have always been better than a computer you could buy in the same price range.
Thats pretty much the entire point of being exclusively console.
>>144411312
Show me a computer you can put together for $350 that has the same level of graphics as an xbox one of ps4.

Computers are better, but more expensive for one actually worth doing shit with. Consoles are good for casuals or people that enjoy actually playing a game and not just shitposting about "muh master race" on 4chan.
And in an ideal world, you play on the shit like and hopefully have a console and a pc.
Or all of them. Or none of them.

And rabid entitled 12 year olds exist on all platforms. Why else do you think minecraft and undertale are as popular as they are?
>>144411429
Nigga, you buy a $1500 computer and that shit is gonna last you at least a couple of years.
And if you are willing to deal with toaster graphics you can easily get it to last like 8-10 years.

>>144411393
it can be a hobby without me spending obscene amounts of money

>>144411127
So when are you going to tag everyone and say you were only pretending?

>>144411564
>how me a computer you can put together for $350 that has the same level of graphics as an xbox one of ps4.

Commit 500 at minimum, 800 at maximum for a budget build and you can easily compete and out-perform consoles. Seeing as you don't need to spend money on online subscription services or accessories, and PC games are frequently cheaper, you've already saved money over the term of about a year, compared to consoles.

Has anyone else considered a bug-hunting build? Fisherman clothing, Exterminator's Harpoon?

>>144411429
Clueless idiot. Don't mean to offend you, but you're woefully uninformed.

None of that is remotely true.
A decent (US$1000) PC could last you 1.5-2 generations easily with no upgrades, and at the end that time, chance are you would only have to replace part of it, as opposed to the whole thing.
Consoles cost far more over that period with more expensive games, more expensive peripherals and a monthly game charge.
You can use your PC for far more than you can do on a console, it's not just a vidya/movie box.

>>144411564
>Show me a computer you can put together for $350 that has the same level of graphics as an xbox one of ps4.
https://youtu.be/uZR-a35sxLg

>>144411429

looks like next gen will be every 3 years or so now thanks to Sony's PS4k Neo and Microsoft's Scorpio move, good luck shilling out the money for that bullshit over and over again.

>>144411592
PC gaming is cheaper. Console gaming has the bloated prices.

>>144411682

A well-reasoned argument, friend. If I offended with my own reasoning, I apologize and admit my mistake.

>>144411545
FO4 actually uses that kind of shit for a lot of stuff, like power armor breaking, sandbag walls, and I think certain building features

So they probably changed something about the destruction system to make it less fucky than past games

I never understood why people buy consoles.
Nothing but a planned obsolescence scam.

Anyone else wish there was a Glowing Sea settlement?

>>144411657
So you mean that for anywhere from 100-400 dollars more than a console you can out perform a console?
Fucking amazing.
And a $500 computer will be able to run the game, just not at a high detail. Which is fine if you don't care about graphics, but most games now are all about graphics.
>>144411712
>used parts, sales and rebates were used
Nigga.

>>144411662
Someone needs to mod in Cazadors for it to be terrifying enough.

>cazadors that dodge and weave around as well as the other bug enemies in FO4

no

>>144412227

Stingwings are the cazador expies, though.

>>144411456

that's the thing you don't have to play at absolutely peck performance all the time, most people use their video cards for at least 5 or so years before they upgrade again, technically you can still get about the same performance out of a old high end Dual core like the 2600k at 4k resolution as you can the 6700k with a modern GPU because the higher resolution gaming you do the more dependent on GPU performance gets and not CPU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9EJNa0y524

>>144412192
all those rads though, you'd need something like the fog condensers for radiation

also there's deathclaws and radscorpions everywhere so why

>>144412308

For the challenge of living in the most inhospitable place in the Commonwealth. And yeah, fog condensers or some kind of anti-rad bubble.

>>144412196
>but most games now are all about graphics.
If you're a dipshit who gets off on graphics. Then yeah, they are about graphics.

>you are incapable of buying used parts, sales or filling out a form for a mail in rebate.
Are you ok? How do you function from day to day?

>>144412196
>So you mean that for anywhere from 100-400 dollars more than a console you can out perform a console?

Yes. Through console generations.

Now, consider this next part carefully:

Within two console generations, you have spent far more on games, subscription prices and accessories than you would have just dropping 1.5 the price first up.

>>144412298
>2600k
That's a bit of a special case, that CPU is a overclocking beast.

>>144412196
Are you deliberately ignoring people?

>>144412410
yeah i can see as a personal settlement kinda thing but with other settlers not really
having them just appear like they do would be silly just assuming they made it past all the enemies

>>144412298
FO4's shadows and item clutter and everything would kill any other CPU from the same gen as the 2600K though.

>>144412512
>are you being an XD ebin troll

Yes, he is, noone is that stupid.

>>144412564

I usually create a residence more than a community, anyway.

>>144412196
>rebates
that shit needs to be outlawed, most company's do not honor their own rebate system and try by default to find every loop hole out of them, oh look like you for got to dot an "i" sorry your rebate has been denied. yeah, you get the picture i'm sure, its all lies and bullshit to get you to buy the products and once they have your money they don't give two shits about you

>>144412624
yet everyone keeps giving those juicy (You)s

>>144411401
What "mega" are you using?
Also, I'm not even the guy you assume is "trolling" you.

>>144412508
yeah, but look how old that 2600k is though regardless? jus saying

>>144412428
Graphics are a selling point for most games.
And have been one of the legs to stand on for pc gaming for years.

And if you want to dig into buying used and on sale you could get an xbox or ps4 for like $260-300.
The comparison being made is new against new.
>>144412429
$100 is a third of the price of a console which is then added onto the cost of a console.
$400 is a hundred dollars more than a console, which is then added onto the price of a console.
It is not a surprise that spending twice as much on something would be better.
Consoles are great for the price range.
I have even stated that pc is a better experince, but requires a higher initial buy in.
>>144412512
I haven't purposefully ignored anyone.
>>144412624
Ur mam.
>>144412771
Thats not me.

>>144412751
If you live somewhere with garbage consumer law, maybe. But anywhere in europe and most of asia you won't have a problem.

>>144412842
>The comparison being made is new against new.
No it's not, it's being made against the average selling price of a good condition used PS4. It says that in the first minute of the video being referenced.

>$100 is a third of the price of a console which is then added onto the cost of a console.

And also the cost of 10 months of PS+ or XBL @$10 per month. Unless you don't want to go online.

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>>144412842
>console =60$ a game
>pc = free games

I guess this is something to consider am i right?!

>>144412564
i wanna know how all the deathclaws and other beasts you trap in the wasteland workshop cages make it past all the settlers right in the middle of your settlements without being noticed or alerted to, half the shit Bethesda does in the game doesn't even make sence regardless. lol

>>144413070
Even not being a pirate is cheaper. Console games here are routinely 100+ dollars. Most PC games come in around US$40 which is around $55 dollarydoos, or just over half the price.

>>144412849
unfortunately all of america is garbage customer laws

>>144413067
I am talking about my point dingus, not his.
And 12 months of online costs $65 if you aren't retarded and you buy it all at once instead of spending $35 extra to save $50 in one purchase.
And using your "sales and rebates are fine" argument, you CAN find one year of online codes online for like $30. Hinky and not to be trusted, but possible.

Which one is more fun in New Vegas: melee/explosives or unarmed/explosives?

>CBBE is the second most endorsed mod on Fo4 nexus
ugh...

>>144413353
>People like and download something
>[Groan Zone]

>>144412842
You are literally ignoring everyone explaining to you how it's cheaper. You're just not acknowledging the fact it's cheaper over time, not immediately. You just won't listen. What's going on.

>>144413287
>it's ok to base your price evaluation on sales and rebates unless it shits on my argument, then it's not ok.

>>144413353
>a customisable body that doesn't look like a refridgerator is popular

ugh... is right my friend, ugh... indeed.

Is there a mod or something for stop ammo casings from appearing in your inventory?

I never use them and they trigger my autism pretty bad.

>>144413414
What am I ignoring?
You can build a computer for $350 that performs about the same as a ps4 in some games, more likely worse in some of the newer games. But that entire video was based upon sales and buying used which is in no way standardized and is an outlier in the argument.
Building a pc as good as an xbox in performance and graphics would cost at least $800. At which price point those graphics are to be expected.
Buying new consoles are the best option in the price range. Which is my entire argument.
Pc is the best experience, but has a higher buy in. Consoles are worse, but have a cheaper buy in.
And everything in life is open to opinion.
Some people like being able to just pop in a game and go to town without actually having to do basic upkeep to keep drivers up to date.
Different strokes for different folks yo.
>>144413424
Nigga, are you retarded?
Like for real.
Or I am just getting meme'd on?

>>144411883
Yeah but notice they don't use it everywhere, and really only in a few places.

>>144413761
>What am I ignoring?

Everything. You keep harping on the initial price and I don't know why you're ignoring posts like this >>144413067 >>144413070 >>144412429 >>144411682 >>144411657

You keep on ignoring posts like that and you keep on insisting that the prices are higher than they actually are. A budget build of $500 will outperform consoles. Now hold on - before you reply and reiterate that a console is a cheaper purchase, keep reading, this is important:

You will spend more money on buying console games, XBL/PSN, controllers and other accessories then you will on the PC. In ONE (1) lifetime of a PC, you will go through two console generations. When it comes time to upgrade, you will spend a faction of the cost upgrading than you would on a new console.

Do you understand now?

I hear people going on about how 3 and 4 "rape lore".

I've never seen any proof of this.

>>144402624
Is that the M60 mod???

>>144407814
Niero's gone, too?

fuck sake

>>144413761
>Some people like being able to just pop in a game and go to town without actually having to do basic upkeep to keep drivers up to date.
Are you really adding driver updates as a con
They pop up once in a blue, are optional and typically 1 click install and done.

Yeah it's a cheaper buy in but it also has higher life time costs.

>Building a pc as good as an xbox in performance and graphics would cost at least $800
No, it's already been proven that it doesn't cost anywhere near that much and you're just shitting on about someone using sales and rebates to lower the price.
Hell, just google "$400 console killer"

Prove vault tec could never have access to FEV and you might have something going for you but I've never seen anyone win a lore argument relating to 3.

4 tho definitely has its lore problems but as someone mentioned they're relatively trivial.

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>>144413761
>Building a pc as good as an xbox in performance and graphics would cost at least $800.

Oh shit nigga ahahahahaha

Do you actually think there is a difference between a PS4 and Xbox1? It's so fucking negligible, that in practical terms, it's fucking nothing. They both perform about as well as a... lets say... $350 PC.

>Buying new consoles are the best option in the price range. Which is my entire argument.
But it literally doesn't. Unless you only use it for one day.
Actually the break even point probably depends on how many games you buy, but within a year for sure you will have spent less money on your PC.
>pop in a game and go to town without actually having to do basic upkeep to keep drivers up to date.
Because consoles never have updates and drivers can't be set to automatic updates?
Literally a non-factor. You're grasping at straws here.

>xbox users
>not retarded
pick one.

>>144414162
>This is what bethestards actually believe
You're either dumb or blind.

>>144414180
yes, its in the Modern Firearms mod posted in this thread here >>144408421

>>144414384
From what I've seen, the overwhelming majority of supposed "lore problems" in not just Fallout, but most games in general, comes from people taking the limited knowledge and biased induced words of NPcs as word of god fact, when it obviously isn't.

>>144414487

I don't want hostility, I just want to be informed.

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>>144414582

If you want information, you have come to the wrong place.

>>144414653

oh right so I guess you're dumb and blind too

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>>144414180
That's an M2 Browning in the picture, but yes, it's the same mod as Buffs M60 came from, Modern Firearms. It's off nexus because it used stolen/ripped models, but an anon did upload it to some sketchy looking mod site if you want to roll the dice on that one.

Are any of the settlements on Far Harbor any good?

>>144414875
they are larger then most of the ones in the base game(except shit like spectacle island) and let you delete a fuck ton more stuff, so yeah.

>>144414582
'kay, here we go.
>Ghouls don't need no eating, drinking or stuff in FO4, despite needing water in FO1
>Ghouls now are zombies and run.
>Supermutants now everywhere
>It's been more than 200 years afer the war but it looks like the bombs exploded 20 mins ago.
>Jet is actually pre war now.
>No more training needed for Power Armor
>We went back to caps, despite real money being produced in FO2.
And there's more i won't write here.

>>144415035
>Jet is actually pre war now.

According to Fallout 2 it was pre-Myron as well, there were people addicted to it before he invented it

>No more training needed for Power Armor

Wasn't needed in the prior games. 3 is what introduced it.

>>144414737
sketchy, your funny, run an anti virus or something of your so worried, report back with problems

>>144415161
And BI acknowledged that as a fuckup on their end

Pretty sure that was his point. FO3 introduced PA training and in FO4 anyone can hop in

>>144415161
i cant remember, did you need power armor training in New Vegas too?

>>144415035
>BoS
>Gave them better morality as they rebelled against the east coast cunts
>ruined them in Fallout 4 because hipsters like you complained about their improvement in 3
Also
>complaining about two different breeds of super mutants both with completely different lore

>>144415324
Yes, for the same reasons FO3 had it: balance reasons

>>144415035
>Ghouls now are zombies and run.
Was a thing in Fo3 and NV, apparently even Obsidian is fine with it.

>Supermutants now everywhere
East Caost Super Mutants are in The Capital Wasteland, and Boston, two areas each smaller then the city of Los Angeles.

West Coast Super Mutants are spread all across California, and the states of Illinois, Kansas, and Missouri.

Blame Black/Isle/Interplay for that.

>It's been more than 200 years afer the war but it looks like the bombs exploded 20 mins ago.
Except it looks nothing like that at all, even in Fallout 1/2 we see numerous people living in pre-war buildings with holes in them and scrap settlements. We even see it in Fo3 and NV also.

>Jet is actually pre war now.
Even in Fallout 2 myron says the cause of Jet was a pre-war protein fed to cows that made their shit able to get people high

>No more training needed for Power Armor
Power armor never needed training in Fallpout 1/2 or Tactics, that was something made up in Fallout 3 for balance reasons. Them removing it is actually making the lore correct.

>We went back to caps, despite real money being produced in FO2.
We went back to caps because the NCR is the only post war nation to actually make their own money, and the NCR isn't in the east coast so yeah.

>>144415161
>According to Fallout 2 it was pre-Myron as well, there were people addicted to it before he invented it

Nah, that was confirmed to be a mistake by the developers. Myron definitely invented jet.

>>144415161
>Wasn't needed in the prior games. 3 is what introduced it.
Raping your own lore is still lore rape.

>>144415324

yes

>>144415270
>it's okay when black isle does it

Really dude, really?

>>144415383
Not him but, even in Fallout 3 it was stated PA was so easy to use a child could do it.

Even in Fallout 3's lore PA didn't require training.

Gameplay mechanics are not lore you idiot

>>144415378
Why do people try and defend Beth's actions like this? I mean, for every 'point' you try and shoot down, there's still a dozen more instances of poor lore adherence on Beth's behalf. Like, it's okay that Beth fucked around with the lore a little bit, it's old as shit and Beth is completely new to it.

>>144402624
>saving is useless
>when I try to save, the file doesn't show up
>before I realized this is i tried saving, turned off the game
>come back and lose about an hour of progress

How fix?

>>144415161
>>144415324
PA training was for "balance" reasons since you could get it incredibly early if you know where you're going.

>>144415378
>Blame Black/Isle/Interplay for that.
East coast supermutants were never supposed to be a thing - the FEV was meant to stay at Mariposa.

>We went back to caps because the NCR is the only post war nation to actually make their own money, and the NCR isn't in the east coast so yeah.
See the point about the 200 years of not-progress occurring.
200 years is the difference between the US declaring independence and making routine trips into space.

>>144415482
>Why do people try and defend Beth's actions like this?
Its not defense at all.

Pointing out that the lore was always that way is not defending Bethesda, its pointing out you were always wrong.

Why do people get suck knee jerk reactions to the idea that the lore was always something else then they thought it was?

>>144415482

Because Bethesda did nothing wrong.

>>144415607
>See the point about the 200 years of not-progress occurring.
Why do they NEED to make paper money when e see in NV that making paper money just results in a collapsing economy like that of the NCR?

Making paper money isn't progression, its straight up REGRESSION into an already proved failure of a system.

>>144415378
Obsidian adhering to what Bethesda does just means they're following their interpretation

Blame BI for what, making the Institute create Super Mutants when they didn't need to? They were never supposed to be there and Beth needed a generic orc faction.

Fallout 1 and 2 are 50 then 80yrs after the war. Fallout 3 is 200yrs later.

This doesn't stop PA training from existing. Just means it was retconned, again.

Legion also has their own currency.

>>144415649
>Pointing out that the lore was always that way is not defending Bethesda, its pointing out you were always wrong.

Excuse me? Half of what you posted on this >>144415378 was you saying "It was like that in 3 and NV also".

You know 3 was made by Beth, right? And therefore stuff like ghouls being zombies being in 3 doesn't excuse it from lore rape, right?

>>144415752
But caps have exactly the same problem and that's why there's a quest to destroy a caps factory in F:NV.

>>144415191
That would be no different, you're uploading to a site who's entire premise is "upload other peoples mods, get paid for it".

RaceMenu for FO4 when?

I want sliders goddamn it!

My Exploding Minigun deals 70 damage a bullet

Is this amazing Y/Y?

Also what is better, a Gauss that does 50% limb damage, or one that has that 25%damage plus recoil and 25% limb damage attribute

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>>144415752
Bottlecaps have no inherent value other than being a supposedly finite resource(except for in New Vegas, where you find "counterfeit" bottlecaps being made). They're an IOU based upon scarcity, not because they're useful.

They're the same exact thing as paper money.

>>144415851
>making the Institute create Super Mutants when they didn't need to?
Actually they did for the sake of developing FEV to use in the synth project.

The Institute's use of FEV is directly tied into their primary goals.

>Fallout 1 and 2 are 50 then 80yrs after the war. Fallout 3 is 200yrs later.
Fallout 1 is actually 84 years after the war.

Fallout Tactics is 120 years after the war

Fallout 2 is 160 years after the war

>This doesn't stop PA training from existing.
Actually it does, becuase in Fallout 3's lore, PA training never existed.

>>144415970
limb damage is fucking worthless since you'll be one-shotting everything with the right setup anyway

>>144415752
The problem with the NCR currency wasn't the idea of paper currency, paper currency, resource backed or fiat, is fine once your economy reaches a certain size and has a sophisticated enough banking system. The problem with the NCR system was that it was gold-backed and the BoS destroyed their gold reserves, which is a good lesson on why resource backed currency is bad.

Is a Ripper any good or is it just a shit weapon?

>>144416245
Hold M1 to win.

>>144416062
And they are common but available only in limited quantities. Makes perfect sense under these circumstances.

Do companions get bonus damage based on their weapon prefrences or is their damage based on guns tied to your own perks, so just give them hand-me-down guns?

>>144414580
this is all well enough but on the other end of the spectrum, doubting information provided to you for no reason other than it's convenient for a retcon is not okay

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>>144416285
Logically, 200 years of bottlecap-finding would have brought a new currency for different reasons and regions.

Pre-War money is just about the same in terms of scarcity and risk vs. reward, but they don't use that because reasons.

>>144416062
Its at this point operating on tradition. There's no Hub to back them up any more, but its still convient enough that people everywhere still do it.

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Could someone please port this to FO4

it feels sad that there's no proper enclave weaponry

Just a reminder to everyone that while Beth raped the lore good and well - that's not what's important. The dumbing down and illogical way they handle the series is. No more thought inducing situations anymore, it's all shooty shooty bang bang.

>>144416642
No, because then fucking console babbies would shitpost until it's put on Bethesda.net.

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>all these faggots who played 3 first acting like they know the lore because they went back and rushed 1 and 2 then read a wiki

>>144416598
why does the hub concern east coast currency?

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>>144411127

Just accept that you're a poorfag and move on.

>>144416695
Actually there is one dilemma in Far Harbor.

>>144416736
Fuck them and give it the finger

Fucking console faggots, they have the money to buy that pile of shit, but not a proper PC which is on the same price

>>144416793
Because the impassable nothing in the middle of the country can be passed, and people from the hub have traded with people on the east coast and convinced them to use bottlecaps as currency, duh!

>People are still complaining about the east coast being "underdevloped"

>Fallout New Vegas explicitly states the post-war areas of Arizona, Utah, Colorado, and New Mexico were nothing but wandering hostile tribes and raider warlords with the only known civilized towns being New Canaan and Two-Sun.

>Vegas itself was in a similar position a mere 7 years before New Vegas began, with no one outside the Boomers having established any sort of civilization until House forcibly uplifted the local tribal groups using his technology.

>The East Coast however had towns like
>Megaton and Diamond City for 100 + years
>Rivet City. Underworld and Goodneighbor for 30-50+ years
>As well as complex trade routes between the major settlement spanning not only hundreds of miles within their own local wasteland, but hundreds of miles up and down the coast going from Boston all the way to the Broken Banks south of The Capital Wasteland
>as well as basic shit like water purification machines, and farms

>BUT LE EAST EAST IS UNDERDEVELOPED!

Actually, from what he hear in New Vegas, the east coast is more developed then any part of post-war America sans the NCR

>>144416884

I've accepted that. Nothing wrong with being poor, most people are.

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>>144416960
>LE

>>144416960
>sans the NCR

...which is a logically insanely concentrated cluster of cooperating communities that is far more developed than any community on the east.

like, really?

>>144416929
>Because the impassable nothing in the middle of the country
Where do people get this idea that the middle of the country is impassable when both the Enclave and BoS walked across it to reach The Capital Wasteland, and the Midwestern BoS have a fairly established empire there?

Not to mention all the smaller cross country travelers like
>Wasteland survival guide
>Tales of a Junktown Jerky Vendor
>Ultra-Jet
>Ed-E
>Argyle
who made the trip just fine.

>>144416736
We need a new place to upload shit that's out of reach of console kiddies.

>>144416960
>the east coast is more developed BUT THE NCR DOESN'T COUNT
>the only towns on the east coast include one built around a bomb, one inside a stadium, a boat, a museum, and a small neighborhood
Fuckin' great logic there, faggot.

>>144417183
I never said the NCR didn't count you fucking moron.

Nice blatant straw man.

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>>144414582
He probably means things like Super Mutants. The Master only made them of a specific kind, but in order to make the game interesting Bethesda added different variants without much to back them up. Or how can Super Mutants be able to create more FEV on their own when they are so stupid.

But then people forget that Brain Fargo and co. filled FO1 and FO2 with nerdy references and cameos that if you tried to make it part of the lore you would shoot yourself in the foot.

Seriously though, the "lore rape" is a myth. Fallout ranges from the grimdark to the just plain silly. And I am glad it does.

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>>144417241

>>144416960
>the east coast is more developed then any part of post-war America sans the NCR

Okay kiddo.

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>>144416929
>Because the impassable nothing in the middle of the country
>all those towns
>impassable nothing
right....

>>144417170
Private site where you must verify with OpenID by linking your Steam account that you own FO4 on Steam before you can get access to make an account

Anyone else wish you could play as a ghoul? Immunity to radiation sounds nice.

>>144417542
I think there is a console command for that. setrace or something.

>>144417542

Pretty sure you can with Wanderer's in FO3.

I tried it out, but dropped it when ghouls kept calling me smoothskin.

>>144417691

I meant as a legit option. Perks should have had that possibility. Take rank 3 of Ghoulish and you mutate into a Ghoul. Brotherhood is immediately hostile.

>>144417808
> Brotherhood is immediately hostile.
The BoS are only openly hostile to ferals.

They dislike non-ferals, but have otherwise never taken any action against them so long as they stay out of the BoS's way.

>>144417408
i don't know how to feel about this map.

>>144417862

They flat out say in this game that they seek to eradicate super mutants, ghouls, and synths. They don't mention whether the ghouls they want are feral or not. BoS wants to genocide all the "freaks".

>>144418026

That's because FO4 is garbage.

>>144417862
Didn't they rant about shooting non-ferals on sight in 3?

>>144418026
You should probavbly play the game more

>BoS soldiers constantly say they want to take every mutie, feral, and synth and shoot them into space, making no mention of non-ferals

>BoS solider specifically talk about hunting ferals,and make no mention of hunting non-ferals

>PAM, when captured and reprogrammed makes specific mention of feral ghouls as the enemy, not mentioning non-ferals at all.

>The BoS takes over Mass Fusion, a literaly stones throw away from Goodneighbor, yet never makes any move to remove the non-feral ghouls there.

>Proctor Teagen can send you on a mission to get crops from settlements, this quest is set to specifically target only pre-existing settlements, one of these settlements is the slog, and the ghouls there have VA for giving crops to the BoS.

Yeah, totally after all ghouls, except for the fact they constantly make mention of ferals being their target, and otherwise make no mention of non-ferals

>>144418193
see>>144418141

3 is also garbage.

>>144418193
No.

Winthrop in the Underworld makes mention that some BoS soliders take pot-shot at the Underworld every now and again.

But besides that they only talk about hunting ferals. Even GNR, the BoS's propaganda machine, has messages talking about how its wrong to attack non-ferals.

>>144416642
God damn do i want one.

A turbo one that spews glowing death for next to no AP per shot.

>>144418245
They are all the same, BoS are literally the only good guys in the game

If they really wanted to have an evil orcish faction they could have used the Trogs from Van Buren

>>144418554
wrong thread?

>>144418472
The only thing I regret about killing the entire BoS with my explosive minigun is that after I killed them all, there were no more vertibirds to shoot down

>>144418635
He's obviously talking about the super mutants, dipshit.

Are there any game or FO bible source linking Vault-Tec to the apocalypse directly? Or back-up plans in case the apocalypse wasn't coming fast enough for their vault experiments?

>>144418472
the BoS are literally the only bad to the bone guys in the game.

They don't care about you or other, they care about their incestuous military quasi religion and getting all the tech for themselves.
The BoS is gonna die of inbreeding.

>>144418738
(He)

>>144418795

moron

Brotherhood seems retarded. They're all about gathering the most advanced technology they can, but they just blew up the Institute, without even saving any of the valuable tech down there.

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>>144416736
>No, because then fucking console babbies would shitpost until it's put on Bethesda.net.

>>144418920
Don't be so tsun-tsun, SameFag-chan.

>>144418934
The BoS has always blown up tech they either couldn't capture or they deemed to dangerous, like FEV.

>>144418687
did you feel the bern

>>144419058

Surely the Institute of all places had tech that could have benefitted mankind without using FEV, synths, or gorillas.

>>144418793
> kills monsters
> kills robots
> makes place safer for everyone
> they are somehow bad
lmao, they are the only respectable organization with some sort of management, future goals that are in common good for entire what lets of mankind

>>144419040
kek

>>144419473
yeah possibly, but we see in game that all they were working on were the synth projects

>>144419473
The Institute had
A. A nuclear generator the BoS couldn't salvage because of how far underground it was.

B. Laser weapons worse then their own.

C. Come crops, and the BoS has never cared about farming technology.

D. Synth production, which the BoS hates.

E. FEV, which the BoS hates.

F. A highly limited means of entering it that makes using it as a base impracticable.

Not to mention Maxson only has like 500 people in his BoS chapter, and the manpower needed to fully secure The Institue would be a massive drain, and just leaving it would allow for survivors to possible come back, fortify it, and then remove the sole means the BoS had to enter it, which would just restart the whole damn war again

>>144419706
>TL;DR Maxon is dumb, The BOS would be better with Dawn/Dusk, McGraw or Tristran leading it

>>144419706
I'll grant you all points A-F. Your argument is sound. However, let's not pretend the Sole Survivor couldn't have killed every living (and synth) thing in that place by him/herself. Securing the Institute is a one man job.

>>144419003
Fuck off consolecuck

>>144419889
>Til all of them are long dead, and GOD EMPRAH maxson was the only choice

>>144419706
>F. A highly limited means of entering it that makes using it as a base impracticable.
But if you take it, you get a teleporter, right? That's gotta make it useful.

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Any good Milf mods yet?

>>144420209
Except the teleporter has a highly limited range, uses a massive amount of power to work, and the only means to work it is via courser chips, which they would need to give near every BoS solider so they can use the teleporter, which in turn defeats the security of the teleporter in the first place because now any time a BoS solider dies, someone can get thier chip and teleport into the base

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>>144419706
>F. A highly limited means of entering it that makes using it as a base impracticable.

Well there are 2 entrances.

There's a massive fucking hole in the lawns of CIT/institute roof as well if the BoS raids the 'tute.

But that's not really an arugment for using it, as you'd have to repair the damage or any raider could get in.

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>>144420000
The Quads have spoken!!

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>fallout 3 and 4 don't let you do the main quest as a pacifist

>>144420552
is this what happens when you side with the brotherhood?

holy fuck those giant retards, they could have destroyed the city and everyone around it.

>>144420497
Well, the reactor's already there.
And you don't need to give chips to everyone. You could just use it for a fast response team of competent paladins.