/edg/ Elite: Dangerous General

Just let it die, make again if they actually fixed 2.1

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>>143850869
so you mean never?

we're back alive? what's the new exploit?

>>143852386

Military Strikes, Enemy ships just sit there and do jack shit. Good if you want to grind powerplay points for Hudson or Denton or if you want to collect a whole lot of materials.

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But what makes Elite so compelling isn’t so much about the game as the experience. It’s the tinkering with and the taking out of a performance car for a Sunday drive, not to rack up more miles, nor to break any speed limits, but to just feel the growl of the engine and the wind comb through what’s left of your hair. To remember those carefree days arched over a BBC Micro or blinking angrily into a Lenslok and to forget for a short while that you have to make 357 people redundant in the morning. Elite is a hermetically-sealed escape capsule and it’s the best there is. Hell, you could fire the game up and just sit there on a launch pad and the sounds are enough to carry you away, so strong is your ship’s presence and so absorbing are the station surroundings.

Taking off, tearing through the station entrance a little too fast and just missing a Python, angling for the next jump, scooping fuel from a blazing sun, spinning the camera around your ship to catch its best profile, starting a fight just for the hell of it, seeing smok rise from the command console, hearing the screen crack and precious oxygen escaping into space and landing back at base with seconds to spare – these are the moments that make Elite essential. Trading, missions, mining – not so much. But it’s ok, we’re not going anywhere.

>>143856876
my favorite meme

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>best thread was back and alive and I missed it

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>>143852386
>>143853045

Left it going all night. Woke up to 4 combat rank upgrades and this. Amazing.

>>143866995
So, what's the point of powerplay funbux?

Can I excange them for real credits?

>>143867341
you get fuck ton of them and they let you have 50M each week

taxes not included

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>>143867341
I don't know the decay rate but at least this week I'm getting 50 million for not even lifting a finger.

>>143867525
>>143867691
Damn, I hope it's not to late to get that since today is the last day of this fun.

>>143868223
It's the last day? What happened? Also the decay rate is the rank is cut in half So you need 10k a week to keep this. Power play fucking sucks.

>>143868860
Because today is the bank holiday.

Tomorrow ftroop will be back on track patching out the fun. Hurry the fuck up.

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>>143870439
>mfw I deleted the game yesterday
>I can download the game within 3 hours
>although the exploit is sweet I have no motivation to do it

>>143866995
Does it work with ALD?

>>143870837
Don't think so since she doesn't have military strike zones so only Hudson and Patreus but go ahead and check Duval's crime sweep.

>Just chilling in the strike zone
>Not even moving just camping in my Conda
>ASP bumps into me and blows up
>Everyone turns on me

TOP WELP

Where can i find a strike point?
Already joined up with hudson.

>>143874091
Go to any systems that are currently in the "expansion" phase. I think there's only one.

LOLOLOLOLOL

BRABEN GONE OFF THE RAIL

ARE YOU A MAN ENOUGH TO STOP HIM?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byQxltep16o

Should I redownload? I hate this game, but 2.2 might be good, right?

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I'm already getting bored of this exploit since I just know I could be doing something better and this is a waste of my day.

>>143876639
Wait until 2.2 to download. Everything fucking sucks atm.

>>143876451
At this point I doubt frontier has ever played their own game.

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I don't think i have ever seen a game with a more infuriating community then this one

absolutely phenomenal

>newest exploit is to sit and autoturret

I thought they patched that out ages ago, or has the new AI update brought it back?

FD will see the increase in PP activity and use it to claim that PP is working fine

OK so sup with star citizen guys?

>>143882786
Yiff in hell furfag :^)

>>143883223
>>143883223
: ((((((((((((((((

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>>143882786
same old shit.

>>143876451
The best part is that the AI bitch is still denying that there is anything wrong with her programming and that it must be hackers or lag that's causing all the craziness.

>>143883647
last 8 months?

otherwise your pic sums it up

>>143883647
>those prices

wtf

>>143883647
>Star Citizen is some kind of vaporware scam
>No Man's Sky is going to be just as grindy with even less multiplayer (but still forced online) and has already started receiving death threats
>Elite is still stuck in the Brabenvision
The future's not looking bright.

>>143884671
You can play NMS offline.

What a complete fucking disaster this update was

thank god for Overwatch otherwise i'd be more pissed then i already am

>tfw more and more of this shit is surfacing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byQxltep16o

Where in the fuck can I find gimballed Huge Multis?

>>143887284
>run into a clearly bugged npc
>engage him anyway

not that i'm defending this shit, but that guy was an idiot

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Did they seriously fucking break the reputation and influence system of the game with that patch?
>hunt bunch of assholes that are the enemies of the anthill mob on maia
>approaching station
>station turns green and friendly
>before I can dock it turns yellow and neutral again
and now pic related
the status with these guys are still neutral despite this message

>>143887846
I found mine at a high tech system.

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Continued and unlocked more engineers by doing a grade 3 thermal resistance mod on shields after unlocking grade 3. This shit is actually not that bad now. The only terrible things to get are the materials related to surface scavenging and settlements. The more recipes you unlock though, the more options you have to level up with. Salvage is really easy to get lots of. Also these mods are OP as fuck.

>>143892185
I'm gonna work on getting a fully outfitted corvette or conda before I even think about the engineers. At least this turret thing works wonders.

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>>143892185
>mfw having to scavenge in a fucking Corvette

Oh my god, just fucking end me

>>143892946
Slap a ship full with turrets and park in a military strike and go afk?

>>143892946
Go for it, this game requires you being rich now. Money is the first thing you should get. Don't pass up any chance to grab materials when the opportunity arises though.

>>143893158
I'm using a Viper MkIV fitted for surface missions, salvaging and combat all at the same time. Mostly to just do missions so i can grab specific materials offered as rewards or burn through some missions for reputation. It's definitely much better than using my conda.

>>143893357
>>143893516
That's the plan. How bad will this be if I have E:D in windowed 800x600 lowest settings doing this so I can still play Witcher 3?

game just patched

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>>143893684
The only alternatives I can even consider for resource gathering are my FAS and ASP Explorer

Maybe I should do the 30 jumps back to my asp and just spend 10 hours humping some backwater planet.

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rip servers

>>143893737
did this patch fix this games everything?

>>143893708
I'm going nuclear if they patched the turreting now that I got out of work and on the computer...

>Necron edition:

I could really do with an ongoing thread where we constantly shit all over frontier.

>>143894409
If they did, I'd give you some dosh if I could because that sucks.

>>143894483
You should've been here a year ago.

>>143894510
I don't give a toss about dosh, already have an endless supply. I just want my combat Elite.

>>143894663
Good point. I forgot about that. Well I just got in so it works?

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>>143894409
You're safe.

>>143894163
No, the opposite!

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>>143894824

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We got huge Rail Guns yet?

>>143894920
no

we got full auto rail guns though

npc only

>>143894920
And we never will. Imagine a plasma accelerator that you didn't need to lead. The dads would be on suicide watch.

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>enter frameshift jump
>instead of the usual whispering shit it's completely fucking silent

>>143895226
>The dads would be on suicide watch.

Maybe then this game will start to unfuck itself

>>143895428
It's already started. Things to do have been added to the game and theres casuals who toss the towel already.

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is there any current cheesy exploit for alliance somewhere going on?

could use some dosh

>>143895636
it's not enough unfortunately

for every person who expresses dissatisfaction with this update theres like 5 dads that pounce on that person with there canned "Everything is perfect as is!", "You're just lazy", "Get good :^) i love the new challenge" responses

These people are like those who refuse to pull the plug on a terminally ill and suffering person.

>>143896078
I said it in the previous thread and I'll say it again: the real victim of this retarded grind and ridiculous AI are newbies. Not bad players, newbies, ones who are just starting. I talked to 5 or 6 of them yesterday, intentionally sought them out to see what they thought of the new patch. Every single one said the same thing: "The AI is pushing my shit in and I can't afford the good ships required to beat them, because the AI has access to A ranked stuff and engineer mods even below dangerous ranking"

Not to mention when the AI calls it a day early and just starts cheating, like with the minigun plasma accelerator or the chaff every 10 seconds infinitely or other shit.

This game and its community (especially the community) is like a phenomenon, but for all the wrongs reasons.

This game seems to have spawned a whole new breed of fanboy, the forumdad. Who's echo chambers seem to rival that of Tumblr itself.

You could literally write case studies on this subject, and i feel that someone actually should do so, either write a blog or post a youtube video about this subject. Because the more this is allowed to happen, the farther down the whole this game goes.

If nobody shines a light on this shit, then this game is doomed.

>>143896493
I can see that. Hell even I'm getting owned by some of the npcs I come across. They're usually Dangerous or Deadly rank and have shields that impossibly good. After seeing how hard they tank my shots I can relate: Unless you're packing some serious firepower, and that requires a LOT of money, you're not going to do much against every other NPC with vanilla gear.

>>143896493
maybe I should go to Eravate and help newbies

>get in a wing and blow up several condas can get you an adder right from the start

that could give me some kinda purpose in the game and encourage people

Update is 8.5 gbs is that normal? Last time I played was 3 months ago and back then game itself was 5gb

>>143898069

Are bounties shared in wings?

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Hey, hey guys! What if we won't let /edg/ die this time? Do you guys know what keeps threads alive on this board? Rampant shitposting. Shitpost about ftroop being shit and forumdads even worse by the day and we won't die so the actual conversation can flourish between the downtimes!

>>143898880
Yes, but you don't need many killed deadly condas to jump start someones edg bank account.

>>143898069

Doing this is pretty fun. I flew around in an Annie trying hunting for le so fanny memesters that would seal club in Eravate, and I'd sit in the nav beacon making sure kawaii princess faggots in FDLs didn't jump in to try to kill everyone. I managed to kill a couple of them and even got a thank you from a couple of Vipers I helped. I eventually stopped because the instancing and connection in this game is so fuck awful that it was very difficult to actually hunt for specific people. Sure, you can club anyone you see, but if you're looking for someone specific, the odds are you're going to get plopped in a different instance than them. Either that or you get put in an instance by yourself when you know there are people around. The game literally goes out of its way to make it unenjoyable.

>>143883795

>women ruining another game
>the GG faggots were right and we didn't listen

>>143899096
as much as it sounds good on paper (just like FDev updates) it will get boring after a while. Which was the reason /edg/ died in the first place. Unless there are constant consecutive fuck ups by the frontier. in any case give or take 1 month is the max we can hold out.

I will hang around if there is a thread, maybe make some OC out of the drama

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>Release on thursday
>Then go take a break
Jesus christ FD

>>143896689
Keep in mind who the forumdads are. They are babyboomers. The people that took the bright vision of the future made by those greater that came before and ground it into the economic hellhole we now live in. The only truly privileged generation. They are the people that have ruined the world for the rest of us. Of course they're going to ruin this too. Everything they touch turns to shit.

>>143899701
I head the factory workers gone on a strike
someone gotta knit those socks anon

>>143888941

It didn't seem obvious the npc was bugged before he shot it.
He tried to run, but there was no escaping that shit.

The only thing you can do in this game is earn money and materials to upgrade your ship.
I wonder if it would be possible to create a website that uses some ED api to track your location in game and allow you to take control of star systems, that will then be represented on a map on the website.

>>143894483

We /kspg/ now.

>>143901156

>using a third party tool to create factional warfare that is better than PP

Frontier will have none of that.

>>143901458
Maybe, but it's something I'm curious about.
I don't think it would be that difficult. If you sit close to a systems star for a while, and it's not contested by an enemy faction, you take the system. The more people you have in your corp and the more systems you have, the more "control points" you have to take other systems. The programming is easy, the hardest part would be making a proper GUI, and idk if there is an API where you can track a players location

>>143896689
/edg/ has gathered MORE then enough ammunition over the years that we could use against these fucks.

i say go for it

>>143899701
dont forget here in bongland its a bank holiday so 3 day weekend

>>143901458

Could you imagine how butthurt FD would be if modders got tired of their shit and just started making the game better on their own?

Hell you don't even need mods, just have everyone leave powerplay and congregate on a forum if the coding just can't be done.
It would be a pain to track shit manually but literally anything is better than PP.

Can someone tell me more about planetary landings?
When you land on a planet can you go all the way around it, even if it takes several days/weeks?
Can you fly your ship near surface?

Also I haven't played in a while mission board is new to me. What happens if you max Faction Reputation?

>"well, if grinding is so bad, then why is World of Warcraft so popular? :^)"

WORLD OF WARCRAFT IS A FUCKING RPG! ELITE: DANGEROUS IS NOT AN RPG AND THUS GRINDING RNG MECHANICS DO NOT MAKE SENSE!

Fuck these dads, fuck those forums. that place is literally Illogical fallacies: the forum.

Dont you just love......when the dads.......type like this?.....the excessive use......of periods.....make them sound so wise.......and edgy :^)

Fly safe........cmdrs o7

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>30 dollars for a broken as shit update that will buttfuck newbies harder than ever

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>>143903278
>They are shit.

>Yes. Except your buggy runs out of fuel before that happens.

>Yes you can, you can orbit the shit and fly in canyons admittedly this is pretty cool. For 15 minutes.

>Fucking nothing.

>>143903278
>tell me about planetary landings
You fly to a planet and land on it. You can only land on planets without an atmosphere, and can drive around in an SRV (aka a buggy)
>can you fly all the way around
Yes. You're an idiot to do so though. It takes only a little longer to reach landfall at a land base, and you can't just fall straight down into it, gotta go at an angle.
>can you fly ship near surface
Yes and you will be doing so to try and spot points of interest if you are salvaging or exploring or whatever

>>143903386
WoW is not an RPG.

>>143903546

I'm having an absolute blast in this new update. I can understand why some people don't like the changes. After all, Elite isn't a casual game and gamers nowadays want everything handed to them. I hope they turn around and find ways to adapt to the game, as its probably one of the best around!

Cheers! :)

>>143903757
+Rep

Right on CMDR :^) o7

>>143903546
>>143903757
>>143903864
+Rep
Can't possibly rep you guys harder! Cheers!

>>143903594
someone needs to edit this guy into an asp cockpit

>even reddit is shitting on this update

wow, wtf happened braben?

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/4lpzf4/21_the_nail_in_the_powerplay_coffin/
>even powerplay leaders are saying 2.1 killed powerplay
good job fdev, only content with any form of purpose now is CGs and if you reach t1 its the same as reaching t8

>>143903757
>>143903864
>>143904035
Okay I hate the forumdads as much as you do, but can we NOT do the 'ironic dadposting' thing and just complain normally instead? If I want my blood pressure to shoot up out of rage, I can just go to the frontier forums for it.

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>>143904035

>>143904889
The worst bit about the forums is you realise the guy with the furry avatar is one of the more sensible posters who actually criticises fdev and doesn't cry about open. Its disgusting siding with the fucking furry

>>143904035
>>143903864
>>143903757

I know this is a joke but please don't make me vomit.

>>143905241
+Rep :^)

>>143905385
I feel bad enough already, why the fuck is the head of one of the big piracy groups a fucking furfag.

Does anyone have that screen so of forum dad letting his son fly his ship or something like that?

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I missed this general so much

Tehehe

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>>143903594
>>143904227
I think I can do better

I was on the steam discussions and actually saw a forumdad complaining about the Ai.
He said that he was 50 years old and was using a kb+mouse and was having a hard time.

He got shouted down by other dads.
Poor guy.

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>it just keeps happening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dHdsYrmKnM

>>143905385
triggered

>>143906734
No no, that's intended. It's a visual effect, it's still only firing one shot. You're just no good at dodging.

>>143906734
he didnt put pips to his systems
serves he right

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>mfw this game

>>143906734

Why does everyone keep flying Pythons? It was once great but it became a meme ship after Ftroop nerfed it into the ground because it's an "armored multirole, but mostly a hauler :^)" or some shit like that. Just fly a FDL or a Vulture.

>>143907086

The fucking pip management arguments on the forums are enough to make me want to tear my hair out.

>>143906734
>Vision Accelerator

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>>143904889
>threadly reminder forum dads and furries co-exist peacefully

>>143908073
Pythons the best hauler until you can afford a Conda or Cutter, type-x ships are shit. Its the best med pad hauler as well for long range smuggling (RIP) if you could handle the jumps

>>143908241
>No .gif version with blinking eye

>>143908362
+ rep CMDR o7

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Hey /edg/, ED beta fag here, I'm thinking about making a video to try to bring to light all the stupid shit that FDev has done to this fucking game, and I don't want to miss anything. I need you guys to do what you do best, bitch about the game.

So far I have obvious things like why the fuck do limpets destroy themselves after use? Or why I can't split two class 2 modules into a class 4? And Power Play was literally just a shat-out update to keep players interested for four more weeks trying to unlock almost useless weapons.

Any and all bitching is welcome.

>>143908585
Upvoted! Score: 2 (+1 karma)

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>>143908362
>>143908241

>>143908585
>>143905324
I am with this anon right here
please guys I cant handle the ironic reps

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>accepting rassenverräter in any way or form
COEXISTENCE IS TO SURRENDER

>>143908073
The Python is a top tier cargo ship. Because it's armed out the ass, it's also a great pirate ship.

>>143908641
>Or why I can't split two class 2 modules into a class 4?
Thats a shitty complaint tbqh, putting easy to argue against complaints in will just make people not pay attention to actual issues

>>143908641
start by talking about bulk trade tax

half of the dads are haulers and this aught to make them mad

seriously someone should make a topic on this on the forums

>>143908073
Python is fun for piracy, and is actually a quick, efficient miner.

But yes, it's cucked to shit in combat

>>143908641
If your going to do some kind of video, you need to basically go right for the throat and strike at the core of all this games problems.

see
>>143896689

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>>143908641
>people unironically pick the alliance for anything

>>143908712
I'm going to register two accounts so that I can rep this twice

anyone here owns a corvette?

with the c4 guns do you think it is worth it?

also slow down guys you are going to break the thread

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>>143908762
People used to be thrown into mental asylums for less not even long ago, 70's and even mid 80's.

I guess budgetcuts are the reason why these people are allowed to be free.

and pic related

>That party cleanup community goal that needs hazmat suits and industrial water purifiers

Exactly what kind of party was that?

>>143909032
I don't know, CMDR.
I find Aisling Duval fairly attractive!
But don't tell my wife I said that.... HA

>>143909185
+Rep

i wish i could rep you harder :D

>>143909185
Do you think she has blue pussyhair/will the kids have blue hair?

>>143909082
Even though the corvette has two huge hard points, the anaconda has more large hard points, making it out damage the corvette slightly.

>>143909087
One that took place in a way to allow a placeholder CG while they try to unfuck their game.

>fdev hype up how the neits cg will result in full war between the major powers for 2.1
>ends with "and the federation won" on Galnet
>imperial version of the CG when handed in says the Empire won
>they didn't even change the CG text for the Empire losing.
Why are FDev shit at storytelling?

>>143909369
is there any visible difference in handling?

>>143887846

huge multi-cannons are a thing now?

>>143909575
c3 c4 multis
best thing to come out of 2.1 along with radio chatter

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>>143909185
haha +rep CMDR

Aisling is the Imperial power for cucks who think slavery is bad but still think with their dick. not the alliance.

>>143909650

huh. are they any good? Or, well, competitive?

I might just redownload the game and try.

>>143909493
The Corvette and Anaconda are very similar, but i keep coming back to the conda. Supposedly the Corvette handles slightly better, but with FA off it doesn't matter. the corvette has slightly better shields, worse armor, much worse jump range, and locked behind a reputation grind wall. But you can argue it looks better.

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>all of this +rep posting

Can someone give me some tips on basic maneuvers?
It feels like I'm going in circles with other ship while we're trying to get on each other's tail

>>143909369
>the anaconda has more large hard points, making it out damage the corvette slightly
Fucking hell frontier, why would you make the purpose built military ship worse than the multipurpose.

>>143910043
if your chasing a ship and pointing your nose down, use your up thrusters, if nose is pointing up, use down thrusters.

switch FA to toggle, boost away, toggle it off, kill all engines (default key is x), turn around and shoot behind you while going really fast away from them

use left / right thrusters to dodge incoming shots, ships all turn much worse along their yaw

>>143910043
The AI now flies like a competent player with FA off, without toggling FA you'll struggle.

>the female indian flight controller
>the worry in her voice when you turn Silent Running on
muh dick

>Log in
>Stuck, can't move, nothing responds
>UI works though, modules show thrusters are offline
>Can't turn them on
>Can't shoot, nothing

Wtf happened?

>>143910440
power plant is kill

>>143910440
Lucky you, you don't have to experience 2.1

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>>143909185

>>143910518
>>143910581
Found out whats wrong. When the server died, I was landed.
So I tried launching my engines by holding R even though im in Orbit. It worked.

Heellohello ladies and gentlemen, guys and gals. Let's look at why 2.1 is the best update..... to ever happen. Remember to like... and subscribe.

>>143910990
is it bad that i recognize who you're imitating?

>>143910990
nice video +rep wish I could rep more haha

>>143910990
Youtube videos that ask me to do that guarantee that I won't.

I went through all the old youtube videos I made and deleted the ones that asked for subs because fuck I hate it, thank god I grew out of that shit.

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>meanwhile at robigo

>>143911381
post yfw robigo is unUAd and the mission board is shit because of 2.1

>>143910043
here are some basic tips might as well be a simple guide for power management

your ship has 3 systems
weapons, engines and system

you can allocate power to the capacitors of these systems, subsystems drain power from these capacitors when used. ie boosting will drain eng capacitor. Power allocation defines the regeneration of the said capacitors with slight benefits

system, it will regenerate using the energy stored at the capacitor. You dont need pips for your shields to charge as long as it has energy left. Allocating more pips to shields make them tougher it really affects. But more pips to shields dont make them recharge faster in anyway

eng, more power will increase your max speed and your optimal speed. That is the blue range in your speed indicator. Keep your speed in that range to turn faster

wep, nothing special

>a textbook example of an attack scenario
in the start of combat you can have 2 pips to wep and 4 pips to eng
position yourself at the blind spot of the enemy get as many shots as you can
if the AI turns to return fire divert power to shields to tank the damage
make sure you are not wasting pips, such as while having full shields 3 pips to shields is a waste

>some tips
use the vertical thrusters to assist your turn
anticipate the turn of the AI and start turning before it does
always target the enemy power plant before engaging but in some cases PP is protected very well ie dropship variants.
bring a heatsink and a shieldcell
you need 2 point defense to stop any missiles before they hit you
mines are useless
if you must use c2 beam, pulse and multi turrets rest is waste of energy

>Land
>On a mission, go about my business and pick up some canisters.
>Suddenly an Imperial Eagle drops in
>Weird, they don't use to do that
>He immediately opens fire on my landed Ship even though i'm not even in it

If it were anything but an imperial eagle my ship would be destroyed now what the fuck.

>>143910232
>>143910254
Ok I turned my flight assist off and I don't even know what is happening to my shot

>>143910058
It started with the Cobra and the Asp Ex. Now all multiroll have to be better than a dedicated. The forumdads demand it.

>The Cobra is the fastest and has everything a dad would want
>The Asp is better than the T6 in every way and better armed than either ship in its competing tier not to mention long range FSD
>Clipper is also fastest, most maneuverable ship its size and can haul shitloads of cargo
>Python, even nerfed can carry more cargo than a T7, can outfight anything else in its tier and has more hull and shields and has a good jump range
>Anaconda has the largest jump range, more cargo than a T9 and more heavily armed than a Corvette.
>Cutter puts a T9 to shame and can outfight a Corvette.

There's literally no reason to not go multiroll. Dedicated cargo ships are slow, made of paper and can't jump for shit except maybe the T6 and hauler. Dedicated fighters have been purposefully nerfed to maybe only be more maneuverable but pay out the ass for it in slow engines and fuckall jump ranges.

>>143911661
Is it actually up?
I can only imagine what the mission board is like, whether your allied or not.

So why are Imperial ships so utter shit? There seems to be nothing legitimately attractive to the Imperial Tipper or the Imperial wrist Cutter

>>143911715
Yeah, since they can't interdict you planetside, they just have pirates spawn on top of your parked ship now. They'll ignore your SRV, but dismiss your ship as soon as you're not using it.

>>143911835
The cutter is the biggest bullshit in the game, incredible shields, great weapons and retardedly big cargo hold. Most player pirates and gankers run the cutter because of how bullshit it is.

The cutter should've been a dedicated tanky hauler to complement the Corvette, not better in almost every way to the corvette

>>143912132
>move behind cutter
>cascade torpedoes
>plant it
???

>>143912132
Don't worry anon, Frontier know what they're doing; the ships just seem unbalanced because not all of the ships are in the game yet. Once they finish adding them all, it'll all make sense.

>>143912060
The cutter is best hauler in the game, shields, firepower, hull and 700t of cargo with no compromises.

>>143912249
>what is highwaking
>what is alphastriking
Just get better at using the cutter.

>>143912354
+Rep

:^)

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>>143912354
>Frontier know what they're doing

goodnight /edg/

wake me up when frontier fixes the game

>>143912402
>wingmate in eagle to bomb cutter with FSD rebooter mines
????

>>143912647
so never?

>>143912647
>wake me up
never happening

>>143912671
So if you try to use a cutter against 2 or 3 meta-pvpers who are outfitted to counter you then you lose? No shit. You'll almost never run into actual PVP loadouts when pirating or ganking even in powerplay systems which means you'll still kill almost everything you come across. Not to mention most people are too retarded to highwake and just try and go to SC when masslocked by a cutter.

>>143912940
most people use the taskkill

>>143913917
Any ship is useless against someone who just kills the task.

Is there any better way to see in SC if ship is wanted or not than scanning them one by one?

>tfw arguing with dads even on /pol/

just never ends

>>143915903
What kind of dad on /pol/?

>/edg/ lives again, nourished by the shit tide that is 2.1 release
proof of our origins, welcome back

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kind of surprised /edg/ still more alive than "another space game we don't talk about" general

I may need to re-install now that I have a shiny new vive. anyone recommend a progression path for maximum shekels?

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>>143911381
Wait, what did they do to Robigo?

>>143916521
Apparently you can't even refuel at Robigo

>>143916521
Dads UAbombed it

>>143916358
thread about video games on /pol/

some dad going on about how gamers today are "Impatient, lazy, etc" usual bullshit from the dads

>>143916486
Probably because SC is an even bigger scam that Horizons

>>143916653
sorry I don't lurk this general as much as I probably should nor do I play the game to know these things

but what's UA bombing?

>>143916985
Take unknown artifacts found around the Maia cluster and sell them to a station and if enough get sold Fdev toggle starport services off when they do a server update until people sell enough Meta-Alloys (gotten from killing Barnacles) for them to get toggled back on with the following server update.

>>143917106
thats fucking retarded
why the fuck they disable starport services if enough players sell UA's to it?

>>143917340
Its an attempt at emergent storytelling, they did a few CGs about it a while back. I kind of like it, it provides something for the community to do and hopefully sets the stage for the thargoids or whatever in season 8. Normally people were just hitting the Eravate cluster stations which was hilarious.

>>143917340
Becuase UAs are le mysterious artefacts that turn off station functions with interference

>>143917340
VISIONNNN!!!
it's so fdev can further fuck players in the ass who make good credits per hour. my trade route was wrecked by UA selling faggots.

>>143917584
I think they're supposed to deconstruct things around them but I have no clue if thats actually why they do it or if it was in one of far too many forumdad submitted galnet articles about it.

>>143911381
>>143911661
>>143916647
>>143916653
>>143916653
>>143917106

Good to know. I just finished updating and was gonna take my >asp out to do some smuggling missions.

But now I have no reason to play... any other Robigo equivalent that you guys know of?

>>143918137
Fehu, Maia, Quince

>>143918137
Maia, Fehu, Sothis/Ceos are good starts but if you've never visited you'll be locked out of all the smuggling missions until you sell them a tonne of shit because you need cordial to do any smuggling mission.

Although with 2.1 any allied anarchy faction surrounded by non-anarchy systems will spawn a fair few well paying smuggling missions.

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Boy what a really engaging and action packed game, FD! I'm really enjoying the grind!

>>143918616
tbqh only reason I still play ED is because the grind satisfies my autism. I can alt tab out and do other things and still feel like I've vaguely achieved something. its literally space runescape

>>143918616
Are you playing witcher 3 and Elite at the same time? lol wtf

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>>143917106
>>143917536
>>143917584
>>143917678
Well if the Thargoids of the first Elite game are anything to go by, everyone and anyone will get fucked sixty ways to sunday and back with a barbed-wired baseball bat coated on chili up the ass.

Enjoy getting pulled off frameshift jump into deep space and get megarekt by ayylmao craft that can move whatever the fucking way they want whenever they want.

>>143919129
It should be actually interesting, hopefully they'll start a proper fed-empire-alliance war and then throw thargoids into the mix to make things fun. Although considering the neits CG ended with fucking nothing I expect we won't get anything like that.

>>143908641

Long post XD
*Copied my steam review*

Ship progression is linear, the ability to fly backwards fast and keep shooting ruins any good chance of dogfighting. Even the big ships are maneuverable if you learn how to abuse flight assist. Unbalanced to the max.

Open, solo, and group play. Imagine you are defending a territory from an invading force that you can't interact with. Open and solo are connected meaning players in Solo mode can do whatever they want without anyone to stop them. Including activities like plunging systems into anarchy by killing off local police forces. This is by the dumbest idea I have ever seen in an online game. My points from the old review still stand however if you want is to have an impact on the galaxy with lots of player interaction then this is NOT the game for you.

Trading with players: Player to player credit trading is disabled. You cannot buy items or weapons from other players directly. Also if you have a friend who needs credits there is no easy way to lend them a hand. No auction house.

Item Crafting: How the hell they screwed this up is beyond me. When you craft an item there is a chance you will get something useless. This RNG factor means all that time spent flying around gathering materials might be for nothing. Many games do crafting right, somehow this one screwed up.

Boss fights: Pretty much there are none anymore. It is hard to impossible to get into a decent capital ship fight. Even if you find one they have unliited health and drop no items, AT ALL.

Raids: Pointless now for pretty much the above reasons.

>>143919738
>Even if you find one they have unliited health and drop no items
Capital ships can made to flee and drop a pitiful amount of combat bonds if you're in a CZ.

>>143919129

Now I want another armored core game.

>>143919302
I'm wishing for a dynamic campaign like in the original, that is a desperate and hopeless all-or-nothing fight against a foe that literally defies reality and might actually wipe out all human empires if the player(s) fail to accomplish critical missions.

>guy makes a preachy post on the steam discussions on how he's disappointed with the community for being upset with the patch
>post links to several videos showing the bugged Ai weapons
>post gets deleted without warning after 2 minutes

Should I even bother appealing to the mod?

>>143919738
>ship progression is linear
as opposed to what? the alternative is true newtonian physics which ends up being alpha damage jousting matches at 2k m/s

>open solo, and group play
I agree here, the 32 player limit sort of fucks it over though. They could have separate open/solo commanders but no.

>Trading with players
this is a big problem, imo. easy to fix but they don't care.

>Item crafting
What is this wow? although yea the rng is bullshit

>boss fights
you fucking wow faggot

>raids
you fucking wow faggot

>>143920627
Plot twist: that guy was your mom

>>143920596
Hopefully, theres some hope for that as in the old plague CGs they had it so players could fail and for a while the stations they failed had all services disabled but considering the recent lack of good head to head CGs and trend to lower the triggers when it looks like we aren't going to reach t6 means my expectations are low.

Last CG they tried to actually make fail ended up with forumdads making a forumdad club to carry the rare commodity 400 ly so even if they do go for a proper dynamic war we can lose expect the dads to ensure nothing interesting happens.

They also rigged the war for Lugh to ensure the fed lost despite the fed siding doing better in every single task.

Don't get your hopes up

>>143921061

Don't you mean my dad?

Arena is so fucking ded

I imagine it will pick up when/if they release that crew vs crew mode. I'd be interested in that too

>>143921247
They broke it with 2.1, instead of the experienced players dunking on new players because they're experience they now kill them because Fdev decided to make the high level gear a flat upgrade that kills new players in 2 or 3 seconds

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>>143921426
>arena was already ded
>they make it even worse somehow

Why do I get the feeling that the reason why they're so desperate to get the AI to be human-tier difficult is because they're planning on doing away with multiplayer entirely?

>>143922376
I mean making AI more competent is always a plus. Plus it's not like you encounter that many player ships let alone fight them(at least me). So it's a nice addition.
In and out CMDR

At this rate, why don't we rename ourselves to /sdg/ - Space Disappointment General and incorporate all space sims? Seems fitting.

>>143923464
>ED is bugs and forumdads: the game
>NMA is ED with less gameplay and dinosaurs
>SC will never exist
Why does god hate spacesims?

>>143923867

Here's a fun one.
Kerbal Space Program uses a site called eucl3d to let people 3d print their spacecraft. (for stupid high prices, of course)

Guess what other game is on there?

It's not a coincidence.
https://eucl3d.com/collections

>>143910043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dD7LbDOaDU

Does Reputation Rank progression stack? It's at 100% for me right now since I just haven't bothered to do the progression mission but I've continued to do more stuff for the Federation. When I finally do the mission, will it then present the next naval progression if I've earned enough?

>>143919129
>ayylmao craft that can move whatever the fucking way they want whenever they want

what if FD isnt massively incompetent and all the bullshit the AI pulls is to prepare us for the thargoids?

FDs idea of fun is completely fucking alien at any rate

>>143929389
no, last i heard you dont get any progression to the next level untill you do the mission. No progression of any kind allowed in this game

What is this game?

>>143930859
Probably not worth your time tbqh

>>143931282
I've been slipping into casual status. I need something that will fix that. I've heard this would do the trick but I have no idea what it is.

>>143931428
Wait for summer sale, game is still broken now

>>143931428
Space Sim that has the Milkyway Galaxy to scale. Which results in a game that's an ocean wide but an inch deep. It's pretty fun for the first 20-40 hours until you realize that it's just a massive grind. But it can be cozy to just play while listening to music or podcasts.

And this:
>>143931546

http://www.edshipyard.com/ already support huge

Isn't this the second time that FD has released a big update and then gone off on a holiday break to let bugs fester and players to get pissed off? I distinctly remember them releasing Horizons and then taking like a week or two off to pat themselves on the back and a lot of people complaining about awful bugs.

I understand its a bank holiday but why the fuck would they release this on the day before a holiday weekend? They must be self-aware of their track record of releasing updates that bring about game breaking bugs.

>>143937845
Did you expect competence?

>>143932612
>there is no build list with a rating system to quickly see good builds for various tasks on differing ships

I just want ONE fucking thing from one of these outfitter website and NONE OF THEM HAVE IT. WHY!?

>>143942762
sekrit recipe do not copy

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>>143937845

They probably wanted to give as many people as they could a chance to play.
But all they've really ended up doing is pissing off a record amount of people.

>Engage a viper mk 3
>It shield tanks my seven multi-cannons for 5 minutes before I give up out of boredom

Great update.

How likely is it that they're going to revert for this turret thing?

>Pirates spawning in non-RES, inhabitated system rings
I want to choke the motherfucker responsible for this

>>143947650

You mean they spawn pirates up your ass even if you're not in a res and just some random part of the ring?

They really decided to break one of the few relaxing things to do in this game and fuck over ships not outfitted for combat?

>>143948360
They don't keep spawning, but they DO spawn once you drop in or relog. You're fucked if you have anything other than limpet in your cargo.

Yeah, they managed to fuck up the mining too.

>>143945935
They won't. If they do, it will be their funeral. They've neglected PP players too long- They can't just barge in and take fun away from them w/o giving anything back. Plebbit autistic armies are going to go nuts over that.

>>143949987
>implying Frontier is not dangerously self-destructive

so, judging from the climate of the thread, E:D--a game I wasted money on six months ago--is still:

- devoid of meaningful content
- lacking in consistent quality support by the dev team
- has no fucking QA team worth a damn I called that shit months ago.

- no direction in game design leading to partially-finished, never-completed features
this, to me, is a symptom of "visions" of game design instead of actual documented and planned design. I will point to CCP with EVE Online as my go-to example of documented, planned game design instead of FD's "vision".


that's the vibe I'm getting. am I pretty much on target? not worth updating or recommending until there's a paradigm shift within FD?

I'll ask my muslim brothers to take over FDev

>>143952138
I don't think there's no direction but more to do with being unwilling to halt further construction on their house to fix up their sloppy, bug riddled and partly finished foundations. They compromised them early on and decided rather than replan the parts they had to throw out to just work with what they didn't then wing it going forward.

I don't think they will change before it's too late.

These fucking people
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/4lt194/my_take_on_the_new_and_improved_elitedangerous/

>>143953859
Yeah the ED subreddit is a deluded echo-chamber. The only time I posted there was to bring a different viewpoint on various on the game and naturally I was shit on for contradicting the status quo.

>>143953859
Do they really not understand the concept of efficiency, wasting time, etc?

>>143953859

>If you go to bed tonight dreaming of an A-rated Cutter with all tier 4 Engineering upgrades, I know with absolute certainty that I will be playing the game longer, and having more fun while here, than you ever will.

Holy shit, Yeah fuck those people who want to get that ship they've always wanted. Fuck them, enjoy the game how its MEANT to be enjoyed, Just fucking around doing jack shit because VISION(TM)

I feel like Frontier copied the business model of pay-to-win freemium games and then took out the "pay-to-win" part

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAkHGbRPNR4

>After all that money thrown into garbage and time wasted, Elite the Musical has more fun and narrative than E:D
WHERE'S MUH ADVENTURE AND ROMANCE, BRABEN YOU BLOATED BOOMER PIECE OF SHIT.

>>143952138
OH, ohoho, oh man I was so wrong on that time frame. I bought E:D a YEAR AND a half ago.

>>143923867
God goes no hate space sims
Spacesims lived gloriously and died peacefully

What we are doing is necromancy

>>143920692
Raids and bosses
Consider these as terms do not take them literary
What do you think will happen when fdev release thargoids
If they live that long

>>143919129
So the new ai will wont be scrapped, instead it will be used on thargoids
Nice

>>143919129
I can imagine it already
Thargoids drop a special item and you go hunting for it
But fuckers wont spawn

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>>143956504
I won't be surprised if they just horribly recycle some mechanics in order to grind the Thargoids away
>The thargoids are attacking Earth! The Imperials and Federals must put aside their differences to protect humanitys homeworld!
>New Community goal: Collect anti-thargoid materials
>The Thargoids are deathly allergic to copper, the community must deliver five gorrillion units of copper to earth before the week is up
>New Community goal: Destroy thargoid-sympathizers
>The Thargoids have brainwashed pilots into doing their bidding, kill them to collect and claim five gorrilion credits worth of bounties at Earth before the week is up

I need some tips on how to do these assassination missions. Even the "mostly harmless" ranked missions come with at least 3 opposing ships. Am I doing it wrong by trying these while flying an Eagle? Should I be getting a bigger, tankier ship?

I'm playing solo thus far.

>>143958917
Don't. Assassination is a huge pain in the ass for the pay. Your options are to hope you get a target you can tear apart in under 15 seconds or bring friends.

>>143958917
Yeah assassination missions can be like that, sometimes they will give you single target but it's not constant.
If you want to do combat missions pick the mercenary ones that requires you to kill x ships. They may be more boring but they're constant. Then as you said when you get a tanker ship and feel ready for 1v3 go ahead.

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they are evolving

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>>143953859
So why there are no FDev response on reddit about these bug? They're still on holiday?

Hey familia,

Can someone post the E:D version of "remember, you are here forever"?

thx.

>>143959902
>Release update
>FD pats themselves on the back
>''We made a paid beta club, surely the game is perfect now''
>Goes on holiday
>Disaster ensues

>>143959902

6month long holiday

How do I master flying without flight assist on, should I change something in settings? It's super confusing. I'm using controller btw

>>143962546
You're going to juggle around like a oiled monkey with epilepsy, it's best for turning maneuvers only.

>>143962546
FA OFF dont gives you any significant advantage unless:
1. You play arena where everyone is a glass cannon (and additional second of lock on will ensure the kill)
2. You play as a lancer in PvP, but the skill required is minimal. just when you are about to lose lock turbo boost away and flip yourself around to continue firing. Except occasional yaw/pitch advantage FA off gimps you instead of being a benefit.

>>143961186
p-pls respond

>>143963454
only if you let me finish inside

ded geme ded thred ded petch ded lef ded everetheng

Can someone actually explain to me whats wrong with this update? Because all i see is " i hate it i hate it i hate it" but not a single mention why

>>143966617
Because 90% of player base are forumdads who are solo trader or think that they are badass pilots while killing AI ships that show little to no resistance.

Devs really upped the difficulty on AI, it actually tries to outmaneuver you and doesn't just sit there like a duck. You can imagine forumdads who play the game with a can off beer in on hand while talking to wife are the same time aren't too happy about that.

>>143966978

That's all fine and dandy, but I really hope you aren't defending bugged gatling-style plasmaguns.

>>143966617
I don't see anything wrong with the update. It delivered content, more variety in ship loadouts and turned a bunch of casuals buttmad. 10/10

>>143967142
Don't know what that is, friend.
The only complaints I looked in to were AI threads. They're hilarious

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>>143967276

>>143959902
Moderate example

Link shows how hard it can fuck you

https://youtube.com/watch?v=byQxltep16o

>>143966617

I dislike it because what the Engineers to me feels like is that its meant to be a background thing, collect all the shit and eventually build something.

Problem is, The way they've been hyping it up its been " Holy shit, go build this awesome as fuck thing / mod your shit. " . Then you realize you have to GRIND ( COPYRIGHT VISION(TM)) to find the shit you need. Want one specific thing for a module? Yeah good luck asshole - Add to the fact that you only have 600 spaces for the materials so you cant just collect everything you find, You're going to have to dump some eventually.

I like the Engineers in theory, But once again, Its fucking random grind bullshit.

>>143967862
I never understood this.

>Add things to do
>Wah wah muh "grind"

>Don't add things to do
>Wah wah theres nothing to do

Holy shit doing things takes time?!

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>>143968664
RNG fucking him so he's forced to grind harder.

>>143968664

Dude, I have an annaconda, I know all about taking time. I got Duke rank in the Empire and got a Cutter, I know about taking time.

But I'd like it if it wasn't such a wild goose chase. Want this rock you need for this FSD upgrade? Well its on a plannet good luck have fun!

Yes, Doing things take time, I have no issue about that, but fuck is shit annoying when the only location you have to go on is " Find it on a planet" and then spend the next hour or two trying to find it. Oh you found it? Good job, That ONE componenet took you an hour. Good luck on getting all the other ones.

>>143968664
Yeah, smartass. Grinding RNG materials for RNG upgrade sure sounds fun and fair.
>gommander gib me dese maderials :DDD
>egsebdional benis eregdion
>high-grade burger X 3
>30 hours, 245 kills later
>righd on gommander here is ubgrade :DDD
>bogused bulse lader (+1~30 dmg / +1~30 heat)
>+1 damage / +30 heat

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What's the best way to get Fed ranks quick?
That Corvette is calling my name.

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>>143969216
Why?

I don't have horizons but as I understand planets are on scale 1:1 as well right?
So there could possibly be ester eggs somewhere like alien ruins etc but virtually impossible to find

>>143969851
Scanner

>>143969925
But what if they don't come up on scanner and you have to physically find them?

If I use this as my profile pic >>143906510 on frontier formus can they ban me just for it?

>>143970060

You're pretty shit out of luck, Even the Barnicles that produce the Meta-Alloys took months to find and only were found because the devs were hinting on the forums.

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>Hudson's expansion at 11945%
>All dose free turreted merits
>All dose rank 5 payours
1 day remains until the next PP cycle. I have no idea how FDev is going to deal with this.

>>143970951
They'll deal with it like they usually do, Patch it out quickly ( compared to them actually doing useful shit ) and then do nothing about the obvious problems

>>143970375
Anyone? is it safe for forums?

>>143971412
You haven't heard? Forum is fucking Gulag. You are guaranteed to get banned if you look "Toxic" to them.

But you are welcome to try. How come furry profile is okay and CMDR DubCox is not okay?

>>143971878

Because displaying furry sexuality is progressive and liberating. You male sexuality, as evidenced by "cox", is oppressive.

Also, I've seen you whine about this before. Get over it, autismo.

>>143971878
Furries submit to the first signs of actual authority

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hey guys.

Long time no see since Robigo runs.

I have few questions about the update.

1. Is there any additional rep grind to unlock engeers options?
2. I am aware that its RNG based, but can I at least choose a desired effect for the modul to roll the dice?
3. how bad is the grind? I got my python without exploits, so I am pretty autistic
4. Are materials bound to the ship? I mean is it possible to make mats gathering in my conda and upgrade, for example, imperial eagle?

>>143970951
engineers hotfix patch notes
-we are rerolling the PP merits for this cycle
fly safe

>>143970951
>All dose rank 5 payours
Can you get to rank 5 easily somehow?

>>143976279
fun zones
get it while its hot

>>143976328
How? more instructions plz

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>>143976328
Hmmmm, yes

>>143976362
scroll up

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>lolocaust taking place in the bubble, exploit found
>i'm 23k Ly out scanning these fucknuggets

>>143976393
>>143976396
Forget it. I don't even know what combat zones are. Never did PP

>>143976709
Left(navigation) menu, check galactic power

>>143976480
>I defected to a power
hahaha just kill me

>>143976949
What happened? Something different?

>>143976949
Ok so I go to Hip 93377 and just kill bad guys or do I need to collect stuff from them?

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>>143976393
I'm this guy:
>>143918616
And I've got like 32k now. Played through most of Novigrad while I waited and let it go over night. Gonna be pretty sad if it's rolled back. Tbqh senpai

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https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=255442
They're still trying to fix it

>>143969502
Meanwhile lucky faggot got this

ded already?

>>143979561
We've always been ded

>400 bonds in 20 min
>need 10k
even exploit is a grind

>>143980202
Just get turrets and go about your day. Come back in a few hours.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=257892&p=3990998#post3990998
>all npc engineer mods removed

>Bi-weave shields were removed accidentally thanks to a bug fix

Christ.

>>143980290
I'll do that friend. How much time do I have? It says 1 day but I'm guessing its less than that

>>143980621
Thats forgiveable tbqh as they've fixed it quickly. Mistakes like that are fairly easy to make with code.

>>143980589
they are kindly noting that they wont remove the RNG

well fuck you too frontier, show the next seasons up yer arse

>>143980891
At least they're removing the most bullshit part of the RNG, its still retarded that they're leaving the rest in but at least we'll get the worst bit removed when they release 2.1.1 and break everything else in a few months.

What's a good system for beginning LRS in a Cobra?

>>143981190
what is LRS

>>143981457
Long range smuggling

>>143976709
Fine, I'll spoonfeed you, if only to see frontier and the forumdads get madder that you got 50 million for doing basically nothing.

Get a ship. Any ship. Load up all turreted energy weapons on it. Nothing else matters.

Pledge to Hudson (the others might have an expansion somewhere but I didn't check).

Fly to Hudsons one expansion system (HIP something).

Fly to a military strike.

When you get out of supercruise sit about near (I did 1.5k) off the military strike navigation target, and look directly at it.

Go into settings, mute all the audio, turn all the graphics to minimum, change to windowed, change resolution to minimum.

AFK for 8-10 hours doing something else.

Come back to 10k+ power play points with Hudson, fly to nearby control system, turn them in, receive 50 million tomorrow.

The reason we can do this is because military strikes are currently bugged and enemy ships float around and don't shoot. The damage of your weapons doesn't matter, allies will destroy them while you tag them. Best ships are ones with hardpoints above and below so they can cover a wide area. The more enemies you tag the more points you get.

>>143980589

>need more feedback on cheating NPCs

As if the countless videos showing ships firing PAs like multicannons arent fucking enough. It's clear that someone has coded it to where the AI ignores reloads and heat. I highly doubt that an engineer upgrade is responsible for that, and if so, I hope they're ready for the new meta being alpha strikes with multicannon PAs.

>>143981190
Maia is good now that robigo is kill.

You'll have to somehow get rep with the ant hill mob to do their shit though. Dunno how to do that.

>>143978070
Don't overdo it. They might just fix individuals.

>>143981926
I almost forgot, make sure under your ships functions the turrets are set to fire at will.

>>143981926
>When you get out of supercruise sit about near (I did 1.5k) off the military strike navigation target, and look directly at it.
Does it go quicker that way? I was doing it by parking in the middle and made my controller pitch the ship

>>143982128
Maia it is then, thanks, and I'll bring some exploration data. I tried Fehu but the only way to get standing is through massacre missions and I cba to refit my cobra with the crappy hardpoints they had there (and I'd rather smuggle narcotics and weapons than get involved in civil war, for RP reasons) also the Silver Ring syndicate or whatever just lost to the Fehu organisation.

Also I don't think you need rep with Ant Hill mob necessarily, when I last visited it showed 2M smuggling missions with 0 standing, but I couldn't do them yet because I didn't have peddler trade rank yet (dealer now so hopefully that'll help).

>>143982662
I noticed the enemies tend to spawn within 5k of the navigation target, just get close enough so that most if not all are in range of your weapons.

this is my first time ever actually planning a build, but i intend to finally get a vulture when that sweet 50 million payday rolls around

http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=70N,5TP5TP01Q3wo0mI0mI,316Q7_6Q5K7_6u5A,7Sk0721IM9pM10i

how badly did i fuck it up? im gonna set the vehicle bay to disable when hardpoints go out since you hardly need it int he middle of a fight