/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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>>143396514
first for variety

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>tilesets

would like opinions on >>143394329
is it better to (as I have) not stream/record games played in those conditions, or is content better than not content?
(also termcasting but apparently only like three people in the general do that)

Does any of you guys comment on the DCSS forum about those "proposals". I always see you complaining and myself don't know that much the game to make an opinion on the subjects.

>>143396823
No shit content please.
If you're going to do it you should try your best to do it well.
Like those Moria videos.

>>143396823
eh I don't really watch vods anymore
even dick's sil and IA got kinda long

>>143396902
What stupid bullshit are they planning this time

>>143397792
Remove decks, wands, other evocables and long blades.

>>143397972
and scythes.

>>143398098
And Gargoyles.

>>143398196
And they're making lair two floors deep to be consistent with Orc.

>>143398415
And removing Pan and making it an extra Hell branch.

>>143397135
This was my instinct as well. Otherwise they're just bloatedly long. Maybe I can set up ttyrec so I can record my terminal when I termcast or play locally, and come back later to comment on it in undistracted sessions or something.

>like those moria videos
kek

>>143398503
>Remove pan
>More hell tho
I'd almost say that is an improvement, but I regret ever learning to play this cursed game everytime I'm in Dis. Hmmm. Hmm.

>>143397149
>months and months go by
;_;

>>143399324
We've sucked all the dicks we can.
There are no heroes left in Pan.

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What I thought it would've been the run, after successfully bamboozled 2 ice dragons and took the loot form an Ice Cave, ended with a casual fight against a komodo dragon.

A reminder to never underestimate those tanky sacks of maximum damage rolls. RIP in peace.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JfE8eU7TIc&list=PLA6EC39E975F3D1EE&index=10

>>143400485
You fisted two ice dragons as a MuMo?
That's insane.

>>143394303
>>143397503
What is hep?

>>143400681
Well, I tried to, but it was a 70-30% chance to win (stacked against me), so instead I made them both to follow me to a maze-like part of the cave and lost them there, took the loot and got out.
There was nothing too good on that place, so I don't geel that bad for dying. I also forgot if I can use items like the ring of flight or invis, so I didn't used them.

>>143400867
http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=140ffe51053d896d1840846def5364e734873d51

>>143401021
ah yeah that makes a lot more sense.
I mean if you could have fisted an ice dragon by lair and at the same time die to a komodo I'd be 100% sure you were bullshitting me. It's hard enough to kill a hydra.

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>>143401078
>No felids allowed

>>143401203
Felids dont have ancestors
But they already removed that restriction because insteas of making ancestors race specific everyone gets a human

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>>143401203

>>143401303
>Felids dont have ancestors
then where does babby felid come from

>go dive down to Utgard-Loke
>should be fine, he's normal speed and my melee is good, though the accuracy could be higher and I wouldn't mind some more AC for his 4x12d12 melee
>fight going well
>he summons, but it's not so bad
>he summons again, gets a greater titan
>have to teleport away and recall home
at least I survived

>>143401634
housecats

I barely got the abyss rune in abyss:5 and got out. I also have snakes,swamp,slime,vault. What should i try to get next?

>>143401303
>a cat is fine too

>>143401303
>Want to do a housecat of hep
>Apparently I've had a DEFE parked in trunk for months
>He has been stuck in shoals for all this time and I don't have the heart to ctrl Q him, or finish the run

>>143402562
>abyss:5
Why?
Are you MuMoing?
If yes it's Tomb time.

>>143402562
Halls of PANDEMONIUM.

>>143403090
PANDEMONIUM PIZZA

>>143402943
>>143403090
I'm Orc fighter of Beogh.I already did the crypt and elves. Spec me in CBRO, name doroboNeko. I've never gotten this far so i'm kinda unsure.

>>143403238
I got you familia. We'll get that orb together, hand in hand.

>>143403238
Beogh is really bad for Pan, Hells, Tomb, and Zot.

>>143403410
Yeah but im Orc Jebus. Do not question my faith, y-you heretic.

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Second time today.

>>143403853
wtf is a yeek anyway

>>143403517
I'm questioning your decision not to go for the win at this point and come back later with a character better equipped for the post-endgame.

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What a pair of boots

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>>143404209
Finally a chance to post my old OC.

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This thing is like doble the hereticness on a single item.

>>143404384
Nigga, you post that everytime talks about yeeks.

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>>143405140
I swear this is the first time I'm reposting it ever since its creation.
But I am honored someone appreciated my art enough to show it off.
Also to brag, someone posted my Rune Knight vs. Babble drawing in the previous thread.
I always knew I was meant for great things and this proves it.

Faulted my Tonberry Shieldmaster from a few days ago, about to fire up another one.

How good are standard shield artifacts? Would I be better with randarts?

>>143405385
It really is a nice feeling when people post your shitty MSpaints. Warms my heart everytime I see [angryogrenoises]

Replying to a 2 day old post because I can
>>143227143
You think necromancy is cool now? You should have seen necromancy back in the day when kiku would deliver corpses on demand, which you could stack in order to make incredibly powerful (permanent!) abominations that followed you from floor to floor.

>>143406390
That was back when animate skeleton was the best spell.

>>143406472
That was back when DCSS still had any redeeming features in it.

>>143406903
>Implying getting sick off chunks and casting animate skeletons on every corpse was fun

>>143406941
>This isn't under my definition of fun, so lets remove it
Crawl dev go away

>playing a vinestalker enchanter
>player ghosts on the previous few floors that I have no hope of facing right now, so I can't camp out for easy exp and have to keep moving
>get surrounded in a passageway by scorpions shortly after making it to D5
>poisoned so I gotta get out of here quick
>been focusing on training my magic skills so I figured I'd be fine if I go to hibernate one for an easy stab and escape upstairs to rest
>45% chance to beat MR
>what the shit? it's just a fucking scorpion. oh well, that's almost a 50/50 shot.
>cast one, doesn't work
>well shit, keep trying
>cast another, still doesn't work
>cast one final one and won't have enough left to do it again
>still. didn't. fucking. work.
>die
Goddamn early game magic is fucking stupid. Hell, magic in general is retarded. You have potential for miscasts and chance to miss, on top of enemies having even a little bit of magic resistance just fucking ignore your spells at a rate that seems far above what the percentage shows. And then you have player ghosts that are practically fucking immune to most of the more useful shit you'd want to hit them with and are way more powerful than most other shit on that floor. How the fuck is anyone playing a caster supposed to get off the fucking ground with all this shit fucking them over?

>>143409068
You can still play .13 you know. Its not like they removed .13

>>143405140
nah I post it more than he does

>>143409290
You can just not summon skeletons you know, it's not like they removed not-summoning-skeletons.

So what does the MuMo challenge entail really? Aside from the obvious.

I've seen people mention stuff like no armor and no gods allowed. What else?
What about boots/capes/helmets?
Evokables/wands?
Throwing?
Spells?

>>143409245
>Flip a coin 3 times and don't get heads
>WOOOOW
Early D and magic users kind of suck, yeah. I think the realy issue is that your melee was too shit to handle a scorpion and that you let yourself get boxed in.

>>143409665
Suboptimal play, anon! I know that, but it really did increase your chances of winning by a huge amount. Pretty lame if you ask me, like not using haste if you have the option. We just see it different is all.

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>>143409743
These are the original rules, I don't have the updated ones unfortunately

>>143410765
"Updated"? Oh dear.
That's a sickening challenge. I can't even begin to imagine why you'd add more rules.

>>143410885
Updated rules just say no bucklers as a joke, and no regen. Not much different than the original challenge.

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>>143410885

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>>143405137
...And like every heretic artifact, it has to be purged by fire.

fuck. i always forget to screenshot. Won with the HOFi of Beogh. Didnt risk it with extended beyond abyss.
Here is the morgue: http://pastebin.com/raw/9RZpHe2D

>>143411082
No regen was the reason for the no amulets rule, can't believe that had to be clarified. Also, the original original rules were posted towards the end of the last thread.

>>143413534
I think originally, you were allowed to use the amulet of vitality because its sprite was an ankh.

>>143412220
Well done.

Is it just me or do egos that aren't fully *identified* sell for less now in PCB?

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Always acquire knowledge.
>>143416578
That is indeed the case.

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Send help.

Fortunately literal thousands of magic missiles and molesting a few dragons in lonely mountain with my black touch got me up to level 32. Which would let me summon dreads, except I have a 25% chance of it being hostile and eating me, so I guess I have to rely on fingering monsters still.

I can't even say this character is bad because vampiric touch is really good (it heals half my health! and I mean that in the worst way possible).

>>143417173
eh dreads aren't so bad really, at least not if you're not summoning a huge group?

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Re-rolling is in my future.

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This character is absolutely bonkers.
I think I'm going to see how well my punch ghost does against pan lords.

>>143420419
>Level 23
>4 runes
That is the one thing I didn't really enjoy about Hep. The exp loss is real, and costs you HP and makes your stand's remembrance process pretty slow.

>>143420926
This is more a problem with the collateral kill-XP mechanic than one with Hep.

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>>143423395

>>143413534
It had to be clarified because the 0.15 No Bennu rule actually came after and 0.15 has regen on rings instead of amulets

>>143420926
Thats why you pick the hexer instead of the fighter
There is no point in complaining about xp if your fighter ghost solos orbs of fire without problem

>>143425641
I'm just saying, it is a very real cost to have less HP and 1 less pip of MR during the transition from 3 rune to postend. I kind of like that there IS a drawback to Hep, it feels better than just getting all benefits from most of the usual gods.

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Wow, it came pre-made.

Has anyone tested how the ancestors hold up against various endgame threats yet?

>>143427236
The melee one can shrek the various depths/zot goons fairly well 1v1 without his level 27 gear. I'd say he is the equivalent to a high level 「BoB」. Can't speak for the others, though I've heard good things about the hexer.

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That was certainly a teleport.

Also managed to sneak copies of pretty much every third book besides my own.

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>>143428479

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>>143428479

>Fiery Zar
>they came with a ranged attack
What a quick death. I was making some rather poor decisions that run, though, so I deserved it. Right before that I ran into that dog person for the first time and failed to link to it.

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=65774bb05dc1acd31ae86ac4ee2d67c404b91adb

How would you guys fix zin and nemelex?

>>143428479
smaug always drops book 3 of your primary realm, for what that's worth to you now

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Yeah that definitely took a while. I'm 5 runes in and have been clearing every floor. Did E+C too.

>>143427236
I'm going to do post-end with this guy, I'll drop some feedback after I'm done.

>>143429380
What attack delay does the fighter have anyway?

>>143411082

>no bucklers as a joke

pls contain the heresy, shields actually require a solid investment to come online properly - a buckler requires a couple of ogres and suddenly you are a swashbuckling bandaged menace.

We did run some quite extensive discussion about how powerful a buckler was compared to the offhand punch both on and off stream and they remain haram

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This is probably one of my favourite parts about H.

>>143429421
Broad Axe of speed is 0.3/0.4.
It should work differently for monsters though.

>incidental 5 pips of rNether to give me 48% resist
the falloff for extras is hard but for now they're free

>>143410765
I've only played a handful of /rlg/'s favorites, which game is this for and what's the deal with it? Is that the end boss or a boss that specifically works well with the challenge? So do you just have nothing at all and need to throw your naked body at him hoping he keeps missing?

Elona is my favorite game. My skin screams for more games like it. Every morning I wake up and stretch, my bones rubbing together gently whispers "Elona" to start my morning. I need more games like it. When I eat all I can taste is Elona and it is delicious.

Please help. Why is it so unique. Make more, more more more more more.

>>143430496
>Is that the end boss
what are you even talking about
what in that image do you think is a boss

>>143430690
MuMO, the mummy man. I always thought the challenge was to reach a certain point in the game completely unarmed and with zero supplies then beat the mummy man. I have literally no context for it so I assumed.

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>>143430782
Just play crawl.

>>143430782
MuMo stands for Mummy Monk, which is a race/class combination in DCSS

the player is the MuMo

>>143430968
Oh well shit. Monk I can guess why that fits in, but why mummy?

>>143430908
I guess I probably should.

>>143431025
Mummy is pretty bad at being a monk for various reasons.

Also mumo sounds like meme.

>>143431025
because mummy is an extremely shitty race

they get instagibbed by their fire vulnerability, they are terrible at every skill except necromancy, and they can't even drink potions

>>143431108
>>143431151
You've been very helpful anons.

best general

>>143431257

and thus the flavor of the mumo image >>143411993
for the most part is about what a shitty life they lead

devil's team is the dev team, which resides at crawl.develz.org

>You will never fight MuMO, the mummy man
>You will never operate with minimal potions and scrolls, sneaking into tomb without any gmummies realizing
>You will never cast sticky flame on MuMO man and end his reign of terror

>tfw you keep on failing to link with demons
This run can only go on for so long. I'm on the third floor and I still don't have a full party.

>>143432630
Oh man, what a hilarious dream.

>>143428958
Zars ain't nothing to fuck with. Always recruit one the first time you run into a pack, and then always summon it out when other zar packs come around so he can use calm on you and your dudes

>>143404209
A miserable pile of acid immunity

>>143413534
>No regen was the reason for the no amulets rule
Not really. It's mostly clarity.
.15 amulets didn't have regen, regen was a ring back then.

>>143430058
But bucklers so good

>>143434431
That's why they're haram.

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Well it's interesting. But no Holy, no HP on kill, no Regen is pretty awful for Pan.

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Ahh, nevermind. Forgot that pan lord abyssing doesn't take you back out like "Escape" abyssing.
Still, it wasn't very fun anymore. Extremely tedious.
Would not recommend postend with Hep unless you can get a Holy weapon somehow or have huge spells.
VS/Gr/Statue Form/Necromuters would probably have a much better time than this character.

So anons i'm getting into ADOM and having a good time with it so far. i'm new and I suck but its fun. Any tips for a complete newbie that arent too spoilerish? or should i just ditch spoilers and read guides?

Hey guys. Does anyone know if there's other Sprints made for Stone soup?

I finally beat Fedhas and a while ago I beat the stupid long corridor one.

So instead of smashing my thousands of characters against the other 8, can I try something new?

>>143434250
>.15 amulets didn't have regen, regen was a ring back then.
Mumo was made when Bennus were added and Regen was moved to an amulet
People just forgot to ban regen when they banned Bennu versions

>>143435979
>adom
>without spoilers

>>143435048
>Still, it wasn't very fun anymore. Extremely tedious.
extended in a nutshell unless you have TSO

>>143435979
doors can randomly be trapped and will fuck your shit up

if you can, kick them open from a diagonal, because stoneblock traps only hit the tile right in front of the door
you'll still eat fireball traps tho

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Lads Im gonna attempt to kill big J
Im not at 60 speed anymore but I wanted more shard resists for rockets, not sure if it's the good choice. I will probably just leave when he summons some shit but I want to try.

>>143437682
The difference between 57 and max speed is probably less than 5% btw. Really doesn't matter.
Good luck!

>>143437682
good luck, interested to see what happens

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>>143437682
>Unless it is stopped, the word as we know it will come to an end
>the word as we know it
>the word
>word

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Hey guys I'm not very good at roguelikes but I lucked into a Piercer in some early D: levels and it carried me a good ways into Lair, where I found a book of Fire and now I can cast effective conjurations with veh. I cleaned up Lair:8 and I'm thinking it's time to move to Orc and then Shoals/Spider after I find some resistances.

I don't normally get much further than this, if I even get to this point, so I'm excited to not die like a bitch and maybe reach the depths. Any protips for this stage of the game? I recently cleaned up a D: floor with a ring of humans, Rupert, and Norris at the base of the staircase, as a rough measure of my character's strength. I've got a book with Cblink, so I'd like to memorize that. I keep my skills on auto because I'm not sure how to maximize efficiency on them, but I'm thinking my fighting skill is a bit low (72 hp now seems a bit poor, even on a DE), and I may want to raise conj/fire magic some amount of points (and translocations, but maybe Cblink can wait?)

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>>143437682
Summoning some friends, got Sauron on my side now!

>>143438213
You should totally go manual and try to learn how to skill with trial and error etc

2.2 fighting is haram.

CBlink has really high requirements, focus on other stuff first, such as making the spells you already have good, by raising fire magic mostly since you seem to have lots of heat going on.

Also, press shift-M to have a list of all learnable spells.

And press ! in spells list to see failure chance.

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>>143438220
Yeah fuck this
I cant rocket him because summons
If I try to get close to use my staves I will die because summons
I dont know how Im supposed to kill him as a squishy leprechaun without an antisummon amulet

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>>143438818
All my spells are @ <2% fail except 6% bolt of fire and 47% Delayed Fireball, which I just do over corpses after fights.

Here's the only book with spells that have value to me, the other books are just midrange necromancy, midrange hexes, and midrange earth magic. Lot of cute spells that I can't quite afford to care about yet.

Sounds like solid advice, to raise fighting and to work on my current spells. There's probably easy room for improvement since those skills are so low right now.

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>>143438997
2nd try
Half hp! He stopped summoning for now so if Im lucky I can do it! Go team rocket!

>>143438997
Bring scrolls of Destruction, Mass Destruction, and Genocide. There is no reason "summons" should prevent you from attacking him. Remember that you can teleport and he will outpace those very summons.
you should also use your staff to destroy the level to better allow you to phase door to safety during the fight

>>143438997
you should prepare most of the level as broken up terrain with staff of destruction so that the land is less badly shaped for summons to fill, then lure the serpent to that area, use Mass Genocide and Genocide to contain many types of summons

>>143436308
>Mumo was made when Bennus were added
False.

The first instance of MuMo was november 2014 as you can plainly see by the time stamp in the first MuMofesto anon posted several posts ago, back when .15 was the current version.
Furthermore, Bennu was not even a thing in trunk by then! It was added some time later with the Newtomb layout, which made it to .16.
The no Bennu "Joke" stems from a promising MuMo dying on a very successful .16 run because of bennu,(but mostly because he had been softened by GMummies) thinking he could take tomb as his third rune.

So everything you said is wrong and a criminal distortion of reality.
Don't try to spread disinformation on MuMo my boy, my autism is greater than you can imagine.

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>>143439828
Is this happening? He's not summoning anymore, so Im just blinking around and recharging my wands of rocket and healing

>>143440035
careful manastorm is 600 damage

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>>143440035
And the deed is done. I was unlucky and a chaos breathe fucked my stats, but I was also lucky since he only summoned in the beginning of the fight.

>>143440165
nice one!

>>143440165
Nicely done, anon!
Post it on the oook.cz ladder too! I think it's the first Leprechaun win.

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>>143440165
His loot, this and some bad randarts.

>>143440327
Guess I will, I also still have my angelic warlock win save somewhere

>>143440165
Congrats anon!

Elona seems so overwhelming even from reading the pasta and various guides. Should I just get gardening, focus on leveling it up, and then go do the puppy cave for now?

>>143440730
Get into gardening and cooking, and do the garden requests in that farming town. Save up enough dosh to buy a few yerles infantry dudes from the slave market, and give them crossbows(? whichever one does intrinsic poison damage) and you'll be good enough to take on the puppy cave with your possy. The poison will kill bells, which is really nice. I had a really hard time getting started when I tried and everyone gave me shit for it, and this'll easily get you enough dosh to start training and investing other stuff.

>4chan downtime during my lunch break
Donte

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And now we return to our regularly scheduled roguelike discussion.

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whooo, had fun spamming bjorgnonininonir's Revivification right at the end, almost died to that demon

>>143386530
It's a hero portrait from one of the newer Baldur's Gate style games, no porn, sorry. Unless I'm misremembering and it's actually by the author of 'Sunstone' or Calm or someone

>>143439958
>Furthermore, Bennu was not even a thing in trunk by then!
Incorrect.

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=10f4cc480bcc6a888152225be2e9a7295dc0169e

>>143441757
>23HP
madman

>>143441965
>Bennu had sticky flame melee by 2014 and that was changed in February 2015
I see why the no Benny rule was established then
It wad way stronger against mumos
You are right, anon. But since I didn't even check my sources and talked straight out of my ass, that makes you more autistic than me.

>look around /vg/
>literally every thread's OP is an almost naked girl
>look at /rlg/
>people are obsessed with Dicks

I understand now.

>>143429229
I would remove them. Zin is too similar to Elkiah, and Nemelex is too unique; Crawl would be best served by their removal.

>>143442486
>Elkiah
Who?

>>143442553
Elyvion. It's hard to remember the name of such an insignificant god, sorry.

>Worship vehumet
>Oh boy I wonder what cool high level skills I'm gonna get!
>These 3 spells will be avaiable forever
>Here we go!
>Crystal spear
>Chain lighting
>FUCKING glaciate
>I'm a red draconian with 0 air and ice, and only something like 9 earth I got to cast iro shot

Fuck this piece of shit god. Where's my meme strom?

Yo, all these new tiles are pretty neat. New imp in particular.

>start a new character
>D:2 there's an ant
>np I got this
>miss miss miss miss miss
>got poisoned and at half hp now
>oh okay fine, time to 'just walk away™'
>he's still hitting me as I'm stepping away
>so is the poison
>die because that shitty meme doesn't actually work unless you're a centaur or a spriggan, or have some source of haste(which you won't that early in the game)
And the same exact shit happens with adders too. Fuck these stupid as fuck early game poison enemies that are faster than normal speed characters.

>>143445029
Just play a mummy m8

>>143445029
>D2 ant
>Thinking you can handle it
Unless you were a mibe it was all you're fault

>>143445029
>'just walk away™'
>from a fast monster
that's stupid.
You're stupid.

>>143445604
Educate us shit players on proper adder/ant avoidance.

>>143445029
>D:2 ant
>np I got this
THIS IS WHAT MINOTAURS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>>143445675
Is the adder sleeping?
X - e.
Is the adder awake?
Look for the nearest staircase.
There's no staircase nearby and you're on D2?
Walk towards the staircase's general direction and read random scrolls when it's two tiles away from you.
Were none of those scrolls fear/blink/tele?
Tab and quaff un-id'd potions.
Were none of those potions useful?
You did all you could.
Tab it and be thankful you just started the game.

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>>143440165
Awesome!
Put it on oook ladder since you're probably the first leprechaun to win.

>>143440165
>that fucking golfbag

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>all these fucking staffs because lel can't use rods
At least I save space on not needing to carry pots/staffs of speed due to having what may be the best haste power in the game inherent. Is there even a staff of monster detection? I've yet to see one.

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Training for this year's junethack (yes slex will be part of it), I apparently got hit by the garbled string glitch again.

>>143447450
>lel can't use rods
Why? Dont think there is staff of detection

Is there a way of making Crawl autoskip the MORE messages?
Goddamn I want to be able to cleave through hordes of enemies and melt them with a disc of storms in peace instead of having to press space every 3 seconds

>>143448619
Air elemental. Rods get destroyed after maybe 20 turns if I'm lucky, unless it's a rod of resistance which I have yet to find any of.

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Back at it again in the new version, got headless so we're off to a good start

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>>143451814
>the fucking curse got me

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So much for my demigod of athena monk.
Goddamn I'm stupid.
Fucking yeeks.
At least it's very rare for me to splat this early nowadays.
I guess it's time to try a demigod fo Poseidon monk and see how good that armor melting thing is.

>>143452685
>orfax and boldor on L5
How'd you manage that?

>>143453721
I did what I always do.
Rushed the quests, got the rewards and then either dive stronghold and kill hounds or go on a trip to Morivant depending on what I feel like doing.
I should've gotten the fuck out after that level feeling but I thought it was like worm-tongue and smeagol and the yeeks butt-fucked me.
All my fault.

>>143453993
I just thought both of those were native to deeper levels than that.

>>143454198
boldor's native to 13, orfax to 10, and presumably orfax came as part of his dad's "usually appears with escorts"

Does the type of weapon matter in PCB? If I started with a broad axe can I safely switch to a morning star, for instance?

Also, any tips for early game weaponsmith?

>>143457539
Every weapon type has an individual skill it relies on for to-hit bonuses that can only be trained by bonking things with said weapon type. You can look at your proficiencies by hitting ~P. Not every class can use every weapon type, and even if you can use it you may not be able to raise your skill very high. One of the source files has an array of the skill limits for each class but I don't remember which one offhand, I think it's given in one of the pastas though.

>>143457539
>Also, any tips for early game weaponsmith?

Try to get to level 50.

Check from the code which weapons you can get to !Master, otherwise I wouldn't use the weapon unless it's a really good artifact.

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>>143440165
You glorious madman.

>>143452685
>Fucking yeeks.
Duvessa approves.

>>143442481
>it's only natural to be interested in dicks

>>143451814
>Got Headless AND a Ghoul

Well done, every time I find a Ghoul in 1 1/2 I either find Headless and have to choose, or the Ghoul charges a Kasha pack and burns to death

nub crawl question.
are you just not expected to cast spells yourself when you're worshiping 2pak?

>monster race trolls start the game doing 50 melee damage
Crazy.

I have a feeling I picked the crap subrace, but I'm not in the mood for passwall antics.

>>143460514
I already done fucked up and died to one of those fire demon things

>>143461364
>but I'm not in the mood for passwall antics.
How can you ever not be in the mood for that?

>>143459487
>otherwise I wouldn't use the weapon unless it's a really good artifact.
Not him, but why? It's not like Nethack, where you only have a limited amount of slots. Leveling weaponskill costs you nothing, and has a fairly minor (-10 to hit, -5 to damage) malus before Beginner (+0 to hit, +0 to damage). It doesn't even take very long to level: over the course of about ~10 Ancient Dragons, my character (a level 39 half-titan magic-eater if that matters) went from Unskilled with Poison Needles, to Beginner.

If you can't master any weapons, is there anything wrong with using whichever weapons have the biggest numbers?

>>143461748
Sorry I kind of misspoke, I meant that if the weapon is capped at !Unskilled, it probably shouldn't be used unless it's real good.

>>143460753
No

Pakellas is awful for a caster, and a lot of the appeal of Evocations early on is that it makes melee dudes able to pretend they are casters. Pak takes that one step further by making your mana pool actually matter for a renewable source of recharges, and making it refill by killing stuff

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why

>>143462893
Your a troll, just hold tab

>>143462893
Free ecks pee.

>>143462893
>oh no
>if only I had claws and regeneration
I didn't know it was this easy to spot noobs

>>143462893
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>>143462893
As a troll the only orcs that should scare you are priests, high priests, sorcerers and knights. Of those, you will only see priests until Orc:2, so just tab.

You picked one of the strongest races for tabbing, what with that enormous strength and unarmed attacks with base damage higher than any one-handed weapon.

In fact, even if you were playing a MuMo you would just check if that one orc's whip was branded, and then go upstairs, possibly stairdance the two that were left if the whip wasn't anything nasty

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Is this a thing now? You only have to get out of depths to win?

>>143465687
>This will make you lose the game!

>>143465918
I think he knows that, he's just remarking on a "staircase out of the dungeon" on D:15

>>143465918
His point is that there's an exit on D:15, so during the orbrun he'd only have to get out of Depths to be able to exit and win. Spend 5 seconds thinking instead of shitposting.

>>143466016
oh I see now

>>143465687
People didn't usually die in orb run anyways

Maybe they'll make it so that it's shorter but far more difficult

>>143466568
>shatter panlords

>>143464160
Wrong.
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Dear Ra, I'm actually making progress.

Will this be the run?

>Joseph with a wand of paralysis
Good thing I'm worshiping Qazlal.

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Uhh, whoops.
I'm on a roll splatting low level characters today.
I tanked mana bolts once before in the past and swore not to do it again but here we are.
To be fair it came out of nowhere.

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>>143466852
>Will this be the run?

No.
But you'll learn lots of neat stuff and have lots of fun and that's all that matters.

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>>143466708
Get outta' here, speedrunner. I want +2% winrate

>>143468852
I meant it as a joke and slight against minotabbies.

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Everything is fine.

I thought my first teleport was still waiting to go off, turns out it actually moved me like two squares.

>>143469576
watch out for those molds anon!

Anyone else having problems with online crawl? I'm on an ancient macbook that no longer supports downloadable crawl(and hasn't for years) and recently has lost support from internet browsers, but it was fine until .18 showed up

>>143469097
I think we just over-memed, anon

>>143469576
i do that all the fuckin time in crawl

i run around a pillar for 10 turns waiting for a tele to go off only to realize that i didn't actually read tele

>>143469896
>the hepli ghost is a 'R'eptile
i hope i get a spectral tyrannosaurus

>>143471247
those make for good mounts

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Bring on the Shrekoning!

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>>143473351
Is stairdancing degenerate?

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>>143471030

>>143473560
I went back up when the deep troll and the hill giant reached me. More of them and a cyclops showed up. Holy fug I'm doing ridiculous amounts of damage right now. I love it.

>>143470892
A lot of things were fine until .18 showed up.

>>143474857
.18 killed my dog.

>>143475087
.15 killed my pulsating lump

>>143475193
Your comment killed my boner.

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>>143475412

>encounter Norris for the first time
>beat him up in tree form
I have a feeling this won't go as well next time.

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>>143468301
>tried hoing full ATATATATATATA on an eight-headed hydra because I'm stupid
>YOU DIED

Fitting.

New run, new obstacles. Turned a corner, went to the Abyss. wat do?

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So in PCB when the source says "me.pseudo_class_idx = CLASS_WARRIOR;" for the troll monster race, does it mean that they get the warrior bonuses to dual-wielding as well?

>>143476383
Which bonus are you referring to?

>>143477118
Don't warriors get extra bonuses for dual-wielding?
I've seen it said many times here though I've never checked for myself.
Berserkers probably too.

>>143476383
yup

>>143477236
yes

warriors and blood knights are better at dual-wielding heavier weapons
samurais and paladins are slightly worse but still better than average, and berserkers are the best of all (of course)

>>143476383
https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/blob/7ffb5ab32f802ec88cf440b161d9bbaa8c3d9ec2/src/xtra1.c#L4191

So, it looks like it.

>somehow saved two humans from Kirke when worshipping Qazlal
I thought I only saved one guy at first.
>later on Ifigure out there was a second one when trying to deal with an emperor scorpion in the Lair
>one of them sticks around me for too long and dies

>>143476078
walk into one of those clouds of fire obviously .

>>143477719
also berserkers get the full str bonus to damage while dual wielding, while other classes don't get that without Master dual-wielding skill or gloves of Genji

>>143477719
I wonder if a monster race giant dual wielding giant-approved weapons is at all practical.

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>>143474857
>Long ago, all crawl versions lived together in harmony
>but everything changed when .18 attacked

>>143478298
you still get a lower dual-wield percent the more the weapon weighs

it just goes down slower for warrior-types than others

>>143477976
>if (robj->tval == TV_POLEARM && robj->weight > 100)
>p_ptr->weapon_info[rhand].dual_wield_pct -= 50;
>if (lobj->tval == TV_POLEARM && lobj->weight > 100)
>p_ptr->weapon_info[lhand].dual_wield_pct -= 50;
I am barely skirting this malus on my current character by way of a 5 pound spear in my right hand and a 10 pound broad spear in my left. I think.

>>143478298
giants are especially good at it
but any warrior-type is likely to be dual wielding stormbringer and another 5d5+ weapon for much of the lategame

>>143479296
>5 lb spear
>10 lb broad spear
Angband weapon weights are so silly.

>>143479296
no you're not barely skirting the malus

weight is hundredths of pounds so that applies to everything over 1 lb

but pct is actually tenths of a percent so it's only a 5% penalty

>Spider's Nest
>only means of see invisible is an arbalest
>I'm highly invested in every other thing but that
I hate ghost moths.

>>143479956
Weight is tenths of a pound, it literally says that further down in the function.

>>143479956
https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/blob/7ffb5ab32f802ec88cf440b161d9bbaa8c3d9ec2/src/xtra1.c#L4300

Also think of how ridiculous it would be to penalize for anything over 1 pound. There is not a single polearm in the game that weighs that or less.

>>143480035
hold the arbalest and zap them with wands? there's usually only like 1-3 ghost moths in all of spider:4

>>143480357
That's probably my best strategy for now. I've gone with unarmed combat but I've learned some spells and have a lot of wands.

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>decide to play crawl after not playing for months
>see this
What the fuck happened to imps holy shit

>>143482074
All the old tiles are going, anon. Soon there will be no rltiles left, I am sure.

>>143482260
But the new icon is so bad what the fuck

Why are the Angband 24 quest monsters so fucking swingy? Sometimes you get Gachapin, sometimes you get fucking Ulwarth son of Ulfang who's barely a threat to anyone past level 20 probably.

>>143482508
It's fun to fight Nodens on 88.

>>143482508
I think it can be 10 levels OOD in either direction, so you can get anything from level 14 to 34.

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>>143482416
Looks fine to me.

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>going to dual wield after the discussion here
>this drops in the orc quest
Guess I changed my mind!

>>143483029
Don't forget to enchant to AC up.
Much better than standart thorin too, IMO.
Doesn't allow immunity cheese, but much better for actually playing the game.

>>143483029
>it reminds you of the artifact of Thorin

No *Ac for you.
Though that might be better.
Except for farming wyrms.

>>143482074
jesus fuck that looks awful.

>>143483029
>trading acid immunity for 4 speed
randarts. Not even once.

>>143483362
>implying acid immunity matters for anything other than wyrm conga

what even breathes acid in the lategame

>>143483595
>playing PCB without the conga
next you'll say that you should play PCB without going to 555

Are double swords still good if they're two-handed for your race?

>>143483595
This. Acid immunity is absolutely the worst immunity by far. No sheathes either.
Elec immunity is quite a bit better, Cold immunity is a fair bit better than Elec, then Fire immunity is the most valuable one by a decent margin.

>>143483794
Of course. I used an AM 2Sword as a swap for Eudemon Blade+Warlock's Mirror for parts of Z:$ as a halfling.

>immunities
>when you can just triplepip

>>143482508
Because the way the quest monsters randomly choose their unique is based on depth, and Gachapin is at just that sweet spot to be often chosen. Sometimes Grendel is rough for some characters. I seem to get those two more than anyone else for d24.

>>143482668
yeah seriously, nodens, loki....

>>143483029
yeah you will probably dual wield later on once you find enough overpowered swords but right now Galactic Barrier looks good. That randart name always seems to come on nice resist items.

>>143483595
it is true, acid is the least important of base+pois

>>143483740
hey man
I play PCB without 555 or conga

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If I took the club from him, would he die?

>>143483740
what even is the point of the conga when 555 exist

you can just spam staves of summoning for shitty level 1 enemies and kill them for way better loot than wyrms drop in real dungeons

>acid immunity is removed as a item property, 555 is inaccessible until the serpent is dead, rune knights gain exp like regular

this kills the pcb

there is a run of twitch plays CCDA going, if any are interested

>>143485525
Retard.

>>143485060
Can't get artifacts on the overworld.
Meaning the standarts.
Randarts drop all the time of course.

>>143485525
you forgot
>cloned monsters give no loot or xp

>>143485525
>everyone plays yeeks and dances the conga
The way [nature] intended.

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>>143482074
>people still play crawl

>>143484941
>Ouch!! That really hurts!!

It would be extremely painful, indeed.

>>143487413
He's a big guy

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>>143487684

>>143483196
Yes, this is one of the overlooked benefits of randarts. I don't know if they are optimally better or whatever, but it seems to be far easier to cover your resists and have fun.

Had an idea for Nemelex. Wanted to know what you guys thought of it. Basically, Decks are removed and card effects are specifically under the ken of Nemelex abilities now.
No Wonder/Changes since I wasn't sure how to fit that in and they are wierd tactically. Maybe he has a chance to gift you such cards occasionally? Not sure.

-Cards are now dealt directly by Nemelex-based Evocations "a"bilities.
-Cards belong to decks which are as follows:
>Destruction: Cloud, Vitriol, Hammer, Venom, Pain, Orb, Degeneration, Torment.
>War: Fortitude, Elixir, Helm, Potion, Velocity, Illusion, Degeneration, Crusade.
>Escape: Velocity, Tomb, Banshee, Damnation, Solitude, Warpwright, Shaft, Shadow.
>Summoning: Crusade, Elements, Pentagram, Dance, Foxfire, Repulsiveness, Rangers, Mercenary.
-Worshippers of Nemelex choose a deck upon joining, and may change their deck by using Shuffle. When you join Nemelex, you are dealt three cards from the chosen deck. These cards are considered "in your hand" and may be played using the "a"bility interface. You may have no more than 5 such cards in your hand at any time.
-Nemelex deals you additional cards on a gift timer from your current deck.
**: Shuffle: Discard your current hand, then draw a number of cards from the deck of your choosing equal to the number discarded minus 1(minimum 1).
***: Triple Draw: Nemelex deals you 3 cards. You may choose one and add it to your hand. The effect is instant, but exhausts you.
****: Call It: Randomly discards a card from your hand, then plays the rest in sequence. Only available with at least 3 cards in your hand.
*****: Full Hand: Discard your hand, then draw 5 cards from the deck of your choosing, high piety cost.
-In accordance with these changes, cards are generally less powerful at lower power and getting power level 2 is ~85% with 27 Evo and 200 Piety.
-Abandoning Nemelex discards your hand. His wrath is still drawing from the deck of punishment

>>143488103
Just make Nemelex like a card game where you get a deck of X cards and you get a hand of 5 cards and you can draw another one...every 100 turns or something

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>>143487858
>fun

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Holy FUCK crawl devs

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>>143488732
>3 floors
>d9
Am I dead?

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I admit I'm a noob, but this shit is ridiculous. Getting hit for more than half my health while having fucking 53 AC is kinda bullshit.

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>>143488732

>>143445927

>>143489762
>An Ice Cave
>rc+++

>>143489812
>meleeing the master tonberry

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>>143489812
>He didn't even fall for the EV meme
>he straight up ignored it
That's what you get.

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>>143489897
Forgot my image
>>143489887
I was talking about the icon, it wasn't a threat

>>143489812
>abandons okawaru for ashenzari
>dies to a melee only monster
Typical crawl player, everyone.

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>>143490093
This isn't better than what I already have is it

>>143490441
go to the cave
keep the flail
then ditch it and use the gmace
then rtfpasta

>>143489812
>Noticed a juggernaut
>15 turns later
>82 DAMAGE
>Same turn the dyak ends him too
I take it that was your first encounter with juggernauts?

>>143489812
they used to be worse, you big baby.

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>>143490082
Dumb question...but is it better to stack either AC or EV, or to distribute those stats evenly?

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Dohoho! Those wacky shafts!

>>143490826
evenly, depending on your apps

>>143490826
YOU WERE A GARGOYLE
AND YOU HAD 12 BASE DEXTERITY?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>143490568
You are correct Sir. I did not think I'd die this easy after surviving Okawaru's wrath.

>>143490826
>more dex than ev
This was your first sign something was wrong.

>>143490826
Best to go even. It looks like you majorly fucked up skilling your gargoyle. You had great dex, and some dodging would have gone a LONG way. Shit man, a better player would have easily 15 runed with all that ridiculous artifact gear. In the future, aim to have 20 EV when you leave lair, and 30 before you grab your third rune. Those a rough numbers, but a lot of characters can easily achieve them without much loss.

>>143489812
Juggernauts cant even hit for 82 in a single attack anymore, especially with GDR
so idk what the fuck you did

>he had 53 AC
>with a +1 chainmail

As I always say, a +3 leather armor of RF is the best choice.

>>143491376
Learndb says 120 base, but wasn't it split up into 2 blows of 80/50? It isn't unlikely that he got hit by both blows in one turn.

>>143490886
I know you're splatted twice already after this but in the future, go for the ogre. You'll have a higher chance of not dying.

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>>143490441
ah
does R-Cold make you weak to fucking fire

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I crashed during a session and now I can't get in my game. What do?

>>143491617
were you wearing anything that gave you RF-?
also you should have invoked the invisibility BEFORE entering the room, seriously it's not like you waste anything if you fail

>>143491376
I'm still playing 0.17. I know nothing about the current version of the game.

>>143491189
That's why I'm so salty. It was a bunch of nice gear. Well ...at least I learned the importance of dodging today.

>>143491789
I saw a shitty squishy mage and thought *lets hit it with mace, what's the worst that can happen*

What if Oka wrath could summon Iron Giants and Juggernauts
And Trog could summon berserked shrikes
Would that prevent some of the dumb Trog/oka -> TSO bullshit?

>>143491617
no rCold doesn't make you vulnerable to fire but Rings of Ice give rC+ rF-.

>>143492012
Trog/Oka->TSO is by design you nugget.

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>>143490886
>that ogre splat

>>143491818
Update to .18 Juggernauts were nerfed down to two blows I think, and you get a new god and some other junk. Its best that you learned this way, although it was pretty late into the game.

>>143491617
You had rF- somehow. Probably a ring of cold.

>>143492012
trog should be the one summoning berserk juggernauts

imagine 180 damage in one turn from a monster that moves twice as fast as you

>>143492118
Ely -> Zin/TSO is by design
Trog/Oka -> TSO is not
Trog and Oka wrath is simply no longer up to date with all the new wraths we have gotten

>>143491594
I did. I died like a bitch because I had absofuckinglutely nothing.
>>143492169
Did a missclick, and went right instead of diagonal. That one was entirely on me.

>>143492460
I'd say switching from a tablord god which is strong in the early game to a tablord god which is good in the late game with a difficult period in between to make up for your easy early game is pretty design-y.

>>143492460
>not by design

it's one of the most common ways to do the endgame

there's not a specific hard-coded synergy or anything for doing it but it's extremely common, all the devs know about it, and AFAIK nobody's complaining or trying to change it

In poschengband whats the benefit for playing a priest over something like a mage? I've tried a few priests before and they always seem lackluster compared to more direct damage mages.

>>143489812

that's nothing compared to getting obliterated at hell by suddenly appearing tormentors/shadow friends/ice friends and it so happened you're fighting against a unique or some hell sentinels.

>>143492837
we should change that by saying swaping to TSO for endgame is degenrate.

>>143492924
More hp
You can sort of melee, especially if you pick life or craft

No eat magic is a pain, though.

>>143493176
Well it IS the most optimal strategy and a no brainer after all