World of Warcraft General - /wowg/

xth for there are more nipples than there are people in the world

>>140699428
>WOTLK is widely considered where everything started to go to shit.

I agree and I thought this was obvious to everyone but apparently there are people out there who think WotLK was the shit. It had nice questing areas and I liked Ulduar a lot but shit like Naxx2.0 and the Crusader Colliseum ruined the fucking game for me.

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Needs more draenei.

>>140699687
WOTLK was a fun expansion so I can understand where the opinion comes from. You have to look a bit deeper than "what did I enjoy the most" to see all the awful, awful changes that WOTLK added that ended up evolving to the full on awful shit we have now.

>>140699687

Not to mention the addition of the LFG tool.

>>140699428
>WOTLK is widely considered where everything started to go to shit.

Only ToC and the Dungeon Finder in 3.3 were actually bad though.

On that topic. If I were in charge of prepping WotLK for a Legacy release, I'd combined ToC with the ICC 5 mans balanced for a raid. You compete through ToC, then after beating Anub, with no other way out, you bust through the wall into Forge of Souls, fight you way through Forge, finding a portal to the Pit of Saron where you confront a Scourge Lord. After battling through the Pit, you enter the Halls of Reflection, culminating in an escape from the Lich King himself. I've always thought the ICC 5mans should have been a raid, they're a far better lead in to ICC itself than ToC was.

It would require minor terrain tweaking and a bit of balance work, but honestly I don't think it would be too hard assuming Blizzard still has dev tools compatible with 3.2/3.3.

>>140699794
>addition
you mean extension

>>140699830
>5 mans being made into a joke
>bring the player not the class instead of classes bringing unique, powerful tools
>super short time to kill in PVP
>Arena gear becomes a "grind x time to receive loot" instead of a reward for progressing through the ratings.
>multiple raid modes to stretch the same content between casuals/hardcores instead of seperate raids for casuals/hardcores
>LFD

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>nostfags

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>yfw you can still log in

>>140700067
Who cant log in?

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Needs more Meme Regime

>>140700083
nostcucks

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>>140700084

>>140700110
But we can, Kronos 2 launched this week and everyone is rushing to 60. I've been ganking kungen fanboys all day

>>140699948
5mans were always a joke.
>m-m-muh Strath muh Scholo
People 10manned that shit.
I don't give a shit about PvP though honestly. I honestly liked PvP best in Vanilla and BC.

Raid modes and LFD I already mentioned though.

>>140700084
there are only 4 people in the meme regime from now until the end of time. People need stop forcing the incestral and ralph meme.

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>>140700189
this

>>140700183
They were pretty challenging in BC.

And no matter how easy you think vanilla 5 mans were, you cant even begin to compare them to the AOE fest we've had every expac WOTLK on (ignoring the few weeks Cata 5mans were good)

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>>140700189

Meme Regime rep here. People who force the ralph meme only add more fuel to the fire. it's a double edged sword. While obviously not being a member, we welcome the memes it creates.

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>>140700454
I unironically think you guys are really cool

>>140700323
Granted, but that's not because the dungeons themselves were easier, it's because Tanks other than Paladins were given viable methods to generate AoE threat.
The biggest issue with Post-BC Dungeons is not difficulty, it's design. 5mans after WotLK were creatively sterile. They were laid out like video game levels rather than real places. That's why Scholo and Strath are so loved, they're "real" places that just happen to be dungeons rather than the other way around.
This is why so many people give WotLK a pass on the 5 man issue. While WotLK dungeons were easier, they were also places that fit organically into the world.

>>140700634
>Granted, but that's not because the dungeons themselves were easier, it's because Tanks other than Paladins were given viable methods to generate AoE threat.

Yes, which is part of the design problem. Making every tank able to effortlessly hold threat on a whole pack turned a large pack of mobs from "how the fuck are we gonna deal with this" to "fuck it pop some CDs and burn them down"

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>>140700627
Thanks senpai.

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whos the coolest member /wowg/?

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>>140700821

Do I have to actually level everything on the alpha realms to test them at 110?

>>140700821
N-Nizbun

>>140700170
>having 300+ ms

nah ill pass

>>140700880
minigamer realm is automatically 110, I think

don't know if the regular realms are still capped to 108 though

can i grind 80k gold in a week questing on 3-4 characters?

>>140700747
That's really the crux of the issue. With things like Shield Wall dropping from 30 minutes to 30 minutes, the ability to pop them on every other trash pack combined with AoE threat made it possible the laugh through it.

I think Blizzard should move away from trying to bring back "hard" CC like Polymorphs in 5mans and move it into a more active role. Short stuns, debuffs, and incapacitates brought by DPS specs, with mobs that will wreck a tank if they aren't used effectively even with CD's up. WoD was a bit like this at the start when everyone was 610-615 and it was neat. Unfortunately everyone just overpowered content 2 weeks in because gearing up was so easy.

>>140701149
>With things like Shield Wall dropping from 30 minutes to 30 minutes,

3 minutes*

>>140701149
its tricky though because they want to disarm CC across the game for pvp, so they've been rapidly removing CC so you can't reasonably expect to have good CC in a 5 man given its only 5 people.

>>140700964
ive seen people at lvl110 in pve realm dalaran

>>140700821
Members Of What?

>>140701263
Well blizzard has recently been splitting pvp even further from the rest of the game, so I wouldn't be shocked to see something like polymorph being just completely untargetable on players.

>>140701263
They should just make the PvP and PvE talent trees mutually exclusive imo. It was really neat being able to make a noticeable difference in days gone by just by using Disarm or Kidney Shot to help the tank out, I liked stuff like that better than hard CC.

whatg if there was a boss which made you fart but to beat it you uhad to make it make you fart so much that oyu uszed it as a jetpack to reach it 's weak spot

>>140700821
None. They're are all the coolest.

>>140699830
>Only ToC and the Dungeon Finder in 3.3 were actually bad though.
That's wrong, Naxx25 was disappointing to a lot of people for various different reasons.

On top of the first raid tier being just a rehashed vanilla raid, It fell far too short of Sunwell both in quality and difficulty.

>>140700821
nobody because we dont excist, just an illusion

What is the best addon for Tannan Jungle?

wowgnee lyf3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgs7MM1ZreY

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>>140700876

>>140701841
the kill yourself one

How much does the felsteel annihilator sell for on your realms? Think it'll go up or down as we get closer to Legion?

I only just started playing again so it's a bit late to try and raid for it now. Unless I spend the next months gearing up all 10 of my alts to grab it in the prepatch, but frankly spending that time farming gold would probably be easier.

>>140701841
look up the honorbuddy addon, it makes tanaan jungle lots of fun

>>140702019
1.000.000 eu

>>140702019
It will most likely be reminiscent of the MoP CM sets towards the end of the xpac. People will be rushing to buy it so the prices will probably go up a little bit.

But you're a shitter if you ever contemplate a carry regardless of your excuse.

>>140702019
I believe it goes up, because lack of raiding guilds, guilds disband, unless we get HFC 20% boss nerf, even fucking T3 pieces go gold cap, way too much gold

So given the very limited number of masteries that actually alter play style in legion and the fact that the mastery for all of the tank specs are simply survivability increases should masteries be given to characters at 10-15 or 55-58 in the case of DKs?
They all add a lot of passive power to each spec even before mastery gear becomes available and in the case of blood DK's missing out on that shield makes the earlier half of your leveling just that little less enjoyable

>>140702116
It'll end up on the black market anyway, so what's the difference?

>>140702225
If HFC gets a 20% nerf, the mount probably won't be available anymore.

>>140702338
gold cap willl be 10mil, bots pay 10mil np

>>140702249
yes desu, you can enchant looms for mastery, should just be a starting stat

>>140702338
Difference is gold cap (and auction cap) in Legion is 10m.

>>140702416
>>140702470
Isn't that more reason to buy it now then?

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So is it possible to transfer large amounts of gold cross-realm by making a new guild and transferring the character to the new realm with all of their gold in the guild bank?

>>140702703
Yes, unless you like paying significantly more for the same mount for whatever reason.

>>140702842
You have to do a guild transfer, and that guild has to exist with you as the GM for a few weeks I think.

>>140702225
>>140702380
I doubt we're going to see any changes before the prepatch now. There just isn't enough time left.

>>140703587
the blanket raid nerfs aren't really patches, all the enemies just get a zone-wide debuff.

Anyone here play on Emerald Dream?

What side? How's the server?

can anyone remember when SoO nerfs came? 1month before the exp?

>>140704573
the heroic to mythic transition was 4 weeks before WoD

>>140703971
SoO never got one of those though. The closest it had was the additional upgrade levels, which was months before the prepatch. And HFC has already had that now.

>try 7 days trial to play wod
>bg is a clown fiesta

heard something about a new human racial, is that what caused this imbalance?

>>140704664
The top of the arena ladder is something like 90% alliance/10% horde

shits fucked yo

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Are elemental shamans fun in minigames? I'd also have an unplayed druid which I used to play in resto but I rather heal on my monk. Should I dig out the druid and play boomkin?

PLEASE HELP I CAN'T DECIDE WHAT TO PLAY, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>140704734
play feral

>>140704664
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/leaderboards/3v3#page=1

>>140704734
>>140704849
dont listen to disinfo guy, he wants to be the only person with that dope pvp artifact model that balance druid gets come this new expac

>>140704904
the balance pvp artifact skin is shit though

>>140705008
ok disinfo guy, why dont YOU play feral then

>>140705058
Because i'm not a minigamer

>>140703971
They usually come at the release of the next raid, like when it happened to highmaul and brf when hfc came out

>>140704734
Ele looks good in Legion as far as casters go. Huge improvement over live. Too early to say how it will compare to other casters, but I think they'll be in a pretty good place where people can actually have fun playing the spec again.

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>>140704849
I don't wanna be a nigger with a cat mask, though!
>>140704904
Thank you for the warning, is the disinfo guy a lizardperson by any chance? Also, what does the artifact for boomkin look like?

>>140705116
>lol the balance skin is shit
>im not even going to pvp in ligeon
full on damage control disinfo guy, nice try but im gonna get that skin inside the first week

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>>140705158
look at this shid, it has an actual eclipsed sun on it, its THE BEST skin, i can't wait to show it off

>>140705283
holy shit that looks awful

>>140705307
disinfo guy said, tears rolling down his cheeks as he realized that more people were finding out about his favourite skin

>>140705283
That looks decent, although I'm not a big fan of scythes. Using banner slicer on my monk xmog BECAUSE IT'S HOT AS SHIT.

Back to the question, is elemental shaman any fun at the moment? I play on US from EU so the latency is kinda annoying for most melee classes, hence I prefer casters.

>>140705307
Go away, Lizardman.

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>>140705283
Why use that when every other skin for it is better

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>>140705283
Are druids the muslims of WoW?

>>140705661
DRUID HARAM SHAMAM HARAM IMAM HALAL

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>>140705661
>>140705756
>The symbol of islam represents an eclipse that took place thousands of years ago (Balance anyone?)
>They don't eat meat, they don't drink alcohol either
>Both muslims and druids love nature
>They have their own Mecca (Moonglade) where only other Druids are allowed inside
>They worship a moon goddess, Elune. Allah started out as a moon god originally.

REMOVE KEBAP FROM PREMISES

BASED GARROSH DID NOTHING WRONG

>>140706058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rx-e5hGdLA

>>140706058
>>They have their own Mecca (Moonglade) where only other Druids are allowed inside

explain the Lunar Festival then

>They worship a moon goddess

only if you're ally
Tauren worship a generic nature goddess and trolls worship the loa

>>140706819
it's been implied that the tauren worship elune as well but under a different name, I'll give you trolls though

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>>140682381

Knowing your women fuck horses can do that to you.

>>140702019
1m~1.5m, depending on waitlist.
>tfw only have 250k, won't be able to buy archimount

>>140707402
Don't worry, you can at least buy CMs with that

>>140704734
stop screaming please im trying to sleep

>>140707448
Speaking of CMs, has anyone tried them on the alpha yet?

>>140707791
They are not in yet.

unbelivable you can get banned for spamming Heavy Leather Balls

Wait why the fuck did Vanessa Vancleef have the furlbrows killed?
"because they were the only people who knew me lol" doesn't make sense, Everyone and their mother knew who Hope was and there was literally no lead on who the new defias leader was until she revealed herself.

Not to mention the fact that two literally who farmers aren't going to doing any investigating, or the fact that they were trying to leave westfall. Did Vanessa think they were going to get a letter in the mail saying "hey guys it turned out that orphan of yours in the new crime lord" and come back or something?

Why the fuck am I thinking about this 6 years after it happened?

>>140707791
>>140707886
mostly because there aren't CMs in Legion

>>140708289
Here is the problem: you're taking the lore seriously. The only expansion with halfway passable lore is MoP

which mistweaver 30 talent is the least shitty

>>140708329
They've redesigned them so they aren't straight timer runs anymore, but they're still called them challenge mode.

Unless you're saying it's already been cut.

>>140707448
I did them myself. I would do archi-M myself too, but finding a guild this late is p.much impossible

i might end up buying BH's mount just because I'm lazy tbqh

>>140708497
>lets retcon a bunch of shit but not tell anybody for 3 years
>halfway passable

>>140708503
Chi Wave and it's gr8.

>>140708637
You've still got 4 months.

>>140708503
Depends on the fight. Take Burst if you need stacked up healing, Zen Sphere can help in PvP with an extra dispel the enemy needs, Wave is a general sure whatever it heals things not situational.

>>140706058
>They don't eat meat
???

>>140709070
vegetarianism is very common in night elf culture, especially among druids

otherwise though he's just talking out of his ass

are there any addons to make localdefense not fucking spam my chatbar?

I still want to see it but the spam is ridiculous

>>140710001
/leave 3

Or the number of the channel that LocalDefense is

>>140708637
>finding a guild this late is p.much impossible
Not true at all. Lots of raiders leave this late into farm. I'm in a US guild within the top 10 and we're trialing like 4 people right now. Granted they all have 13/13 mythic experience because our roster is big enough to raid without trials, but guilds further down the chain with smaller rosters surely have the same attrition issues.

>>140704719
>>140704851

Why are the first 10 pages only alliance? wtf is going on?

>>140708637
I don't think I've actually seen anyone selling the BH mount

>>140710435
yeah but I still want to see it

Can you buy the base game + WoD then boost straight to 90, or do you have to create a starter edition account first?

t. lazy cunt.

I tried to level a resto druid but got bored and went mistweaver instead

it's unreal how much more fun mistweaver is

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Any chance trading Steam wallet/keys for prepaid 60 day cards? And if so what are the going rates?

>>140710761
>>140709045
Already tried to look in my server but there is no guild that raids only weekends, is near enough to archi and wants my class. The only 13/13 that I could get into would only get me if I would stay for Legion, and I'm not going to lie to them just because I want the archi mount.

>>140711120
it's going for around 200k on my server, usually the guilds that sell archi-m also sell bh-m

>>140711359
too bad they'll destroy the spec in legion

Alright i just hit level 100. Throughout levelling i noticed unless i perfectly aligned my procs, built up a lot of imps before each fight and sacrificed a goat to appease my thirteen dark masters in hell i could not keep up with the DPS of similarly levelled characters.
Is demonology bad? I really like it more than destruction and affliction. Is it just a case of getting hand of guldan timing down? Do i need to use glyph of imp swarm?

>>140711431
Are you unwilling to transfer because you're poor or just don't want to get off your server? Some guilds are desperate enough to pay for transfers.

>>140710761
If you've got HFC mythic gear and experience, I'm sure it's easy to move between guilds. If someone has only recently started again though, it's pretty hopeless.

>>140711747
>is demonology bad
yes, it used to be the best, but in 6.2 blizz decided that it should be shit
a shame since it's the most fun and engaging to play

>>140711105
I don't think the development team even plays the game, drifted far away from the reality

>>140711924
It's really not because people only really look to move up. We're at the point now where the top 455th guild in the US is 13/13M and guilds like that (and below) are losing people to better guilds, so the ones that survive the attrition need to do it somehow, and that's generally by recruiting less experienced players.

>>140712091
I like it because its cool to have hordes of demons feeding you power to turn yourself from a slow mage into a mighty demon that can run around spamming shit. Though realistically i suppose the demon form probably shouldn't move much either, gotta cast those soul fires!

How the fuck do burning embers even work? Demonic Fury has a number, soul shards are obvious, but burning embers just have a bar without any clear numbers. How the fuck am i supposed to know how much of an ember i will get from each spell?

>>140711747
Demo is great, just very gear (more specifically, trinket) dependent.

>>140711779
a bit of both

>>140711318
Nobody knows?

Can you guys at least recommend me a good EU PvP server? One that has even A:H ratios. I dunno how reliable Realmpop is.

>>140712443
Can you give me any advice that would help me then? I've only just hit level 100, what kind of trinkets do i need to look for and what are the best places to get them?
Mastery procs? Int procs? Crit procs?

A guide i read said i needed int, mastery then everything else was about the same. Is that really true? It seems to be like haste and crit would be better than multistrike, as crit improves soulfire damage and haste gives more imps, whilst multistrike and versatility give jack shit.

>>140713091
>what kind of trinkets do i need to look for and what are the best places to get them?

Class trinket from Archimonde and Gaze of Seethe from Iskar. The guide says Mastery because it scales directly with your class trinekt. As I said, it's gear dependent, don't play at as a fresh 100.

is WoD the worst expansion?

>>140713832
Yes

>>140713832
Yes.

WotLK gets shat on too much, Cataclysm had a good launch and 4.2 was kind of alright, and only ebin memers hate MoP

>>140713832
yep, cata second but doesnt come even close

>>140713832
TBC = Vanilla > Wrath > MoP > Cata > WoD
imo

>>140713832
MoP > Wrath > Vanilla > BC > Cata > WoD

>>140714182
>WotLK gets shat on too much
Dumpster version of Naxx on launch as the only raid. Ulduar dropped fast for Crusade suffering. ICC not even that great when it finally came outside of the five mans. Poop tier armor design across most of the expansion. WotLK Death Knights still the most broken class to ever exist and their reign lasted for far too long.

If anything the expansion gets too much love.

I just managed to restore a femundead mage I had deleted in cata for whatever reason. She's level 80. What good transmogs are there for female undead mages at 100?

WOW LEGACY SERVERS CONFIRMED

RETAILKEKS BTFO

ENJOY SITTING IN YOUR GARRISONS FAGGOTS

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Im kicking myself for rolling undead monk, shuda gone orc --------__---------

>>140713832
Cata was bad, but at least they didn't show outright contempt for the players like in WoD.

>>140715007

>Poop tier armor design across most of the expansion
Is this a joke? Wrath had generally the best armor design of any expansion.
>WotLK Death Knights still the most broken class to ever exist and their reign lasted for far too long.
You severely exaggerate how long they stayed broken. They got nerfed a fair amount and reworked several times.

>>140715529
if anything it'll be Legion with slow levelling

hey guys I have the free week and I haven't really played much since Wrath of the Lich King (mostly active during TBC). what are the coolest things I should do/see in a week? which class is the most fun right now?

>>140715324

wow epicly trolled good sir xD!

you really got me good lmao! pwn'd!

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>>140715324
XDDDXDD XDDD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD6tVRwxCY0

>>140716091

Man, even Blizz on their worst days has never hyped such a non announcement so much.

>>140715929

please respond

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>>140715929
classes/specs lost their flavour when WOD got released.

>>140715929
umh theres nothing much going on right now

>>140713832
I like it to be honest

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>tfw Blizz keeps ruining mistweavers even more so the chances of Kari coming back are ever so dim

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hi /wowg/ friendos!

That announcement from Blizzard was fucking retarded. Why don't they just admit that nobody likes the current game anymore and people just want to play the older versions of the game because they are simply just better games rather than "le nostalgiagoggles meme xDD"?

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>>140717173
The worst feel

>>140713832
WoTLK > MoP > TBC > Vanilla = Cataclysm > WoD

>>140717742
Wrathbaby....

>>140717876
started in TBC little memer

take off your nostalgia goggles

>>140717673
>fistweaving is already back

Source on that, please?

>>140717449

Yeah man, I sure do hate having my spec actually be viable and fun. Sure wish I could go back to vanilla where I was forced to heal if I wanted to raid. So fun.

>>140717941
>I was leveling during sunwell so Im totally not a wrathbaby!

stay mad wrathbaby

>>140717941
end of tbc was the beginning of the cuck expansion WOTLK literally embraced cuckoldry of the shit tier community and gave them all the tools that would lead WoW down the path that it is on today.

Fuck WOTLK.

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>just realized that I, somehow, never drank January's Brew of the Month

HUH?

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rate my mog 5-10

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>>140717967
Look at the Alpha talents. Fistweaving is here but its a very different version from both MoP and WoD's ideas of Fistweaving.

Mistweavers have incentive to melee now, as its not a mana strain and it resets a cooldown. It does not heal anymore though.

>>140716091
>>140716767
source now faggots

>>140717987
>Yeah man, I sure do hate having my spec actually be viable and fun.

Found the guy who doesn't play a Survival Hunter, Assassination Rogue, BM Hunter or Shaman.

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>>140717575
But I didn't even play on Nost and I want to play TBC over vanilla anyway. Enjoy your garrisons and other shitty "content". After legion dies we will finally see Blizzard releasing legacy server bringing WoW back to it's former glory.
>>140717987
Even though TBC and vanilla aren't perfect, they are still million times better than the current garrison/queue simulator no content Facebook game. WoW is dying and at some point Blizzard has no other choice than to open legacy servers.

>>140718150
Are mistweavers flagged as being melee or ranged?

>>140718308

In the past Healers were generally flagged as ranged, but I don't know how things will be in Legion with all the class changes.

>>140718308
Mistweaver in Legion are ranged with special privileges that let them stay in melee and not be targeted by certain mechanics that would hurt the melee. It was from a blue post a while back, I'll dig it up for you just give me a bit.

Is the current WoW levelling experience fun enough to be worth subscribing for a month or two?

Haven't played in ages but I have all the expansions up through Mists since they gave them to everyone a while back. Was thinking about maybe rolling a new character and casually playing up through WoD so that once Legion comes out I can check it out if it's not a total mess.

Does anyone run older dungeon and raid content anymore?

>>140718417
Mistweavers have always been flagged as melee

>>140717987
>makes healing class
>Ugh, why do I have to heal?!

>>140718209
>PvE
lmfao

Is Legion not going to have a beta test? Are they actually going to release the alpha version?

why is wowg so much slower than wpsg?

>>140718751

We actually have a game to play

>>140718209

>all those specs are perfectly fine, if not great, in PvP

why can't PvE babbies into balance??

>>140718228
Then you just think you want legacy, but you don't.
What you want is for the game direction to change towards vanilla/tbc, not legacy servers

>>140718751
We have a game to play lmao

>>140718624
Hunter isnt viable in PvP either :^)
>inb4 2s

>>140718439
>The announcement is that there is no announcement

Okay.

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>>140718698
>a 10 year old game with some old mechanics like that is still infinitely better than what Blizzard now has to offer
can't make this shit up

>>140718841

>unironically saying "you think you do but you don't"
>that enjoyment you got out of private servers was fake, you don't actually want it

>>140718875

holy moly you're a retard

>>140718439
There is Kronos now and it has the same population that Nost used to have. And there is absolutely nothing Blizz can do to shut some of these servers down since they are hosted in countries that don't give a fuck about these copyright things.

>>140719121
well then i guess signing that petition was fucking worthless

>EU Horde

If anyone is interested, I'm gonna level an alt on Argent Dawn EU Horde and hopefully put together a guild where we can all idle until Legion comes. That's assuming anyone even wants to play with wowg at legion. I am fully aware that it will be ded guild but it beats getting spammed with guild invites or sitting in some other shit guild, might as well be where the memes are at.

>>140718841
>le pristine meme
b8

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>>140718875
False

>>140718875
you are literally fucking retarded and have never played a single BG in your goddamn life

>nostfags keep telling us how WoD is worse than hitler
>WoD still manages to keep millions of players paying $15 a month
>nost couldnt get more than maybe 10k players with no charge

But I'm sure legacy servers are a viable way for blizz to make money

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>>140718308
>>140718472
Found it.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20742354476#12

>We intend for you to be able to use these abilities naturally in dungeon and raid content, without being unfairly punished for being in melee range.

>For example, a Chain Lightning or Void Zone targeted at a random player with no warning will wipe or seriously disrupt the group if ever targeted at a person in a melee clump. If you can get targeted by it, there is no option but to avoid being in melee at any time during the encounter. Mistweavers and Holy Paladins should not be targeted by these sorts of abilities.
>On the other hand, imagine a debuff that requires you to move away from other players for a short time or move to a certain location. ... We are much less concerned about asking Mistweavers or Holy Paladins to respond to these kinds of mechanics, because they can still use most of their abilities and be reasonably effective while briefly out of melee. In these cases they'd simply be handling the same mechanics that other healers were required to handle.

>>140719341
>>140719370
tricked :^)

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>Metzen cucking nosteam and forcing them to sign things that they won't release anything and will be legally responsible
>spouts pristine server meme to divide the nostcucks
>forces the team to make some non announcement so people will be disappointed completely
I sometimes have to admire the cunning blizzard has in such issues, it is pretty hilarious how much nostdevs got OUTFUCKINGPLAYED

>>140718902
modern wow is like bringing your kids to a 5 star resort only to have them sit in the room and play farmville on their tablet the whole trip

>>140719481
I mean, France has legal ties with the US, as does the UK. But if they hosted the servers in, say, a scandanavian country or a former soviet block state - they could tell Blizzard to go fuck themselves and they couldn't do shit about it.

>>140719637

>Defending Blizz ever after all the shit they've done

Pandafags everyone

>>140719481
>You ll get cucked like the rest because you dont know what blizzard's lawyers can do
France and the US are partners. There are a lot of countries where private servers can be hosted and Blizzard can't do anything to shut them down. That's why all the most popular servers have been up and running for years.

>>140718841
This is kind of true desu.

Ideally Blizzard would just put their hands up and say "Look guys, we dun fucked up"

and then restart WoW from vanilla and make different xpacs

>>140719292
im interested, won't be back til mid august though. get the guild in the op, it won't be the only dead one in there

Has anyone in history ever been as cucked as noscucks?

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>>140719292
>EU Horde

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So what went wrong, /wowg/? Why is WoW now a dead game and only a shadow of former self? What is the best expansion and why is it TBC?

>>140719726
>I mean, France has legal ties with the US, as does the UK. But if they hosted the servers in, say, a scandanavian country or a former soviet block state - they could tell Blizzard to go fuck themselves and they couldn't do shit about it.
The entire EU has the exact same "legal ties" you retard.

And in the entire EU private servers are perfectly legal. All intimidation letters have been successfully ignored by every other server except Nost.

Which either means that Nost is a bunch of scum sucking turds who planned this all along to angle for positions at Blizzard, or that they have some real dirt on them that can't be uncovered in court or they're fucked.

>>140719958
bugger off ralph, he's trying to foster the eu community, which is more than can be said for you

>>140719060
I don't mean that your feelings for those servers were fake. by the way, the original "you think you do, but you don't" guy probably didn't mean it like that too Do you want to stay on the same patch forever? Never getting any new content? You need to be a madman to actually want legacy servers

>>140719312
pristine is a start but they need to change much more in the direction of the game

>>140719821
ideally they would continue what they're doing while taking the tbc design more in mind instead, going back to vanilla and going forward from there would be better than legacy servers but still a great problem

>>140719834
Alright cool

>>140719958
haha great meme dude, instead of just giving up on it I at least want to scrape together the people who actually do give a damn

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>>140720054
>EU
>community

pick one lmao

>>140719992

Best expansion was MoP. BC was a horrible failure of shit lore.

>>140719637
>being this deluded
Care to explain how Pristine servers divided anyone ever?

Even on the fucking blizzard forums of all places, where the shit of blizzdevs is consumed by the tonne, everyone said they wouldn't work

>>140720091
>im supporting them
why? even your boyfriend bearheart is disgusted at WoD and a lot of legion changes

>>140719894
Molten WoW has been up for ~8 years and has a bigger population than Nostalrius had.

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Nostalrius Begins?

more like

Nostalrius Ends

>>140720140
>LFR
>LFD
>pandas
>shitty theme
>faceroll content
>homogenous classes
>new talents
>no depth
I could go on and on... TBC was objectively the best.

>>140719894
Fuck you cuck I don't play on private servers, I just have some idea of international copyright laws. There's a reason those countries are hotbeds of server hosting because they are well beyond the jurisdiction of the US courts and they generally don't give a shit about intimidating letters either.
>>140720231
>Norway, Iceland, Belarus, Ukraine
>covered by the TPP
And in this post, anon reveals he doesn't know how to read a map.

>>140719902
>>140720091
desu playing $15/ month for a single content patch in an entire xpac sounds like similar levels of cuckoldry to nostfags

you've payed Blizz $285 since WoD was released for... lets think, Hellfire Citadel and to keep the servers running.

At this point you may as well be setting Metzen fuck your wife

>>140720530
i havn't payed money since the wow token was released

get cucked cucklords of cuckstalrius

>>140718548
>paladins
>healers
>shamans
>healers

read the fucking lore m8, vanilla was trash, yes, those were my mains back then and I hated it because it got old really fast being relegated to a cuck position in the raid when I wanted to do something else

>>140719292
I'll join when the prepatch hits

>>140719992

>best expansion
>introduced the cancer that is blood elves
>retconned cool ass Draenei into blue goat humans

lmao

>>140720106

Just because I wouldn't play on it 24/7 until the end of time doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to replay a game that I like.

>>140720386

>>LFR
>>LFD
unfortunate but it's impact is exaggerated, especially LFR
>>pandas
>>shitty theme
MoP had excellent thematics what are you talking about? Beautiful zones, music, and a better story than just about every other expansion.
>>faceroll content
Oh look another shitter who doesn't actually play and bases all his knowledge off Preach videos. Muh two months to clear and muh literally broken encounters.
>>no depth
Yeah classes had so much depth in TBC you could just make a macro for your whole rotation lmao

>>140720814
The fucking game cover literally labelled Paladins and Shamans as support classes.

>>140720530
>$15/month

I dunno who's the more gullible shithead, the long-term player that's actually paying this much or the tokenfags like >>140720640

>>140720907
that was 2004 m8

>>140720891
>off Preach videos
But Preach is clearly a Blizzdrone nowadays. I gotta give it to you that his video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rd0-zVIBVo was on point though.

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>>140720269
I am disgusted with WoD, as should any player that previously played in past expansions. But Legion looks alright. If I hand my hands on it you could bet your ass there are some changes I'd make (including the combining of PvE and PvP trees). Some classes are very far from the mark (Beast mastery, Brewmaster (even post change, it's better now but still a direct downgrade from what is what, Mistweaver PvE) but a lot of classes they've nailed and made genuinely better to play in every aspect (Holy priest, elemental).

Of course I can't tell you how I'll feel about class halls, I'm not testing those with a 39 and one half foot pole.

Any else here filled with joy that blizzard didn't announce or hint at legacy servers with their discussions with nost admins? lmfao

also cata is best expansion

>>140720951
I don't even have to bring up the books
Look at WC2. Was turalyon a cuck that just stood on the side buffing and healing? No, he bashed orc scum back to outland

WC3 even, paladins had an occasional heal and support skills, they still bashed

>>140721296

I am always amused by the suffering of nostalgiafags

MoP was best expansion, faggot

>>140721423
I wasn't a huge fan of mop but it was definitely better than vanilla~

>running around as brewmaster
>some random low level mob smacks me
>get 10 second dot from stagger
>can't clear the dot because in legion you can only clear 50% of you stagger
>have to stand there and wait 10 seconds before you can mount or interact with the quest object
>every single time anything touches you

Thanks blizzard

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>wow is dying
>vanilla is the best expansion
>the game has only gotten worse
>naxx 40 was the hardest raid

>>140721517

Few things arent better than vanilla though

>>140721296

>also cata is best expansion

the only way anyone can possible think that in their right mind is if they started in that expansion

so fuck off

>>140721628
It's true though.

>>140720530
>/wowg/
>wife
the only thing metzen will be cucking is anons dildo collection

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there are infinite amount of universes where I am here, talking to you, another universe I didnt even discover this board, the other one I stopped posting back in MoP, this current reality I am here, one reality I met with people from here, and discord never got made, Pozy never posted and Khubbo didnt do 3D, the other reality I was streaming the game, you, me, us are infinite... reality is just our imagination its un comprehencible

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Did blizzard mismanage warriors in WoW?
They're all over the place with abilities and they have no lore

why not have a blademaster class that has unique and differentiated abilities like bladestorm, windwalking and illusions and shit? It would be cool as fuck to see a melee dps use cloth or a new type of light armor (not leather, fuck leather)

The only warrior in wc3 was cairne bloodhoof, and even he had differentiated abilies that made him unique

Warriors are just so generic.

It would be cool as fuck if blizzard started making faction exclusive classes again so that everything don't play so samey all the time.

Giving horde paladins was a huge mistake

>>140721205
The specs they've improved in Legion are outnumbered significantly by the ones they fucked up. If anything, they're making improvements by accident while making everything worse. Gameplay wise Blood DK's and Brewmasters are a travesty, Outlaw is garbage, Windwalker is garbage, both Warrior DPS specs are garbage, all 3 mage specs are garbage, and Destro Locks are unplayable.

The only non-healer specs they've managed to improve are
>Elemental
>DK Frost
>Maybe Feral druids?

>>140721893
>there are infinite amount of universes

there aren't, the universe is finite and will die one day

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>>140721893
huns i love you so much im so happy ur my gf!!! :D <3

>>140721663

Cata revamped the absolute shit vanilla leveling zones to actually be fun

Cata had great dungeons, with even better dungeons added in later patches

Cata added the best zone in the history of the game, Vashj'ir (inb4 'but me no can understand a third axis of movement! vashj'ir is bad!)

>>140722140
3-axis movement is bad when WoW has abilities that target the ground retard

>>140721946
warriors are supposed to be just generic warriors

>>140722242
the problem is that their abilities aren't

>>140722232
you're getting trolled hard stop replying to it

>>140722232

Yeah man, all those rotational ground targeted abilities you use all the time while leveling like... uh... the freeze from frost elementals maybe? Zone ruined, cant use one ability.

>>140721205
memes aside, what even would there be to test around the order hall? I doubt there's any part of it that needs debugging since it's all fairly simple shit that they're not doing anything fantastically new with

is it worth to quest through pandaria for the gold or should I skip it and go straight to wod?

>>140722140

>Cata revamped the absolute shit vanilla leveling zones to actually be fun
>ruined Kalimdor and EK and pumped them full of dumb meme quests while simultaneously sucking away resources from actual new content

>Cata had great dungeons, with even better dungeons added in later patches
Mediocre dungeons praised purely because of "muh having to sheep/sap trash mobs."

>Cata added the best zone in the history of the game, Vashj'ir (inb4 'but me no can understand a third axis of movement! vashj'ir is bad!)
It was the best Cata zone but it was so pathetically undeveloped and empty it's not even funny. There's nothing there once you finish the quests.

>>140722380
but stuff like freeze is best used while leveling retard

suggest your memeiest guild name please /wowg/

>>140722232
I am not that person, but most of Vashj'ir has combat that takes place on or near the ground. I can't really think of any classes that actually need to be using the ground while leveling either...

>>140721893
the moment i quit my job and tried stand-up comedy i realized id rather be a failure of a comedian than a success at telemarketing. just stream the game huns, just let go of whats been holding you back, then you'll realize this reality is whichever one you wanted it to be.

>>140721986
>Gameplay wise Blood DK's and Brewmasters are a travesty,
I have no idea about blood DK's
>Outlaw is garbage
>Windwalker is garbage
I see nothing wrong with Outlaw and Windwalker whatsoever
>Both Warrior DPS specs are garbage
Arms is a direct upgrade and fury is fine, both their talent trees are fucking awful though because of placement of talents
>All 3 mage specs are garbage, and Destro Locks are unplayable.
Frost was always garbage, fire is alright, and arcane is just different

No idea on destro.

You seem to think different means garbage when what you say going into MoP into WoD was a flat out downgrade of every spec in terms of it's playstyle and skill cap. Legion's class changes are different at worst and more times than not are slightly better while being different.

MoP is still the pinnacle of class design to me regardless but to say that Legion's class changes are more often than not a downgrade is false

>>140722465
you can quest for the gold at 100 when you've exhausted WoD's meagre amount of content

>>140722471
>There's nothing there once you finish the quests.

This is true of basically every zone that doesnt have a daily hub

>watching darkmoon arena pvp shit
>some guy playing literally a dozen DKs at once globals anyone who walks in

has blizzard ever made any official statements on multiboxing or is it just an unspoken "we're getting paid so we don't care" thing

>>140721663
>the only way anyone can possible think that in their right mind is if they started in that expansion
Nah I've played wow since vanilla, cata is the most enjoyment i had, at least raiding/end game-wise

Other expansion were better for the EXPERIENCE but I don't see this game as anything other than end-game so it doesn't really matter.

>>140722829
you can do the same with friends so its fine

>go to taunt the boss
>it misses
>wipe because you missed taunt
>O BOI THIS RAID SURE IS SUPER HARD

>>140722608
>I have no idea about blood DK's
2 buttons and they scale inversely with gear.

>I see nothing wrong with Outlaw and Windwalker whatsoever
Outlaw would take an essay but a perfect WW rotation can be made in a castsequence macro extremely easily, effectively making it a 1 button spec.

I'll skip Warriors because I haven't looked at their most recent builds.

>Frost was always garbage, fire is alright, and arcane is just different
Frost is and was always garbage, Legion Fire is literally WoD Frost with a different coat of paint, everything fun and unique about it has been stripped out and replaced with a priority system that is identical to Frost now.
>Fireball/Frostbolt filler
>Ice Lance/Inferno Blast on proc/crit
>Pyroblast/Frostfire Bolt on proc/crit
And Arcane is still boring as fuck with nothing fun about it, but easily the highest DPS. Quickening is a terrible talent and hands down better than everything else in tier 100, too.

>>140722479
Dallas scryers club

>>140722980
but how does taunt miss
do you think the tanks have to come up with increasingly witty quips and insults, and if one misses a beat their taunt fails

>>140722479
we bang dogs

>>140723116
Outside of building an ignite right before combustion fire is unchanged

>>140723367
No? You can't stack Heating Up! and Pyroblast! procs, Living Bomb and Ignite function completely differently, and Combustion is gone and has a generic cooldown wearing its skin. Aside from that, building a massive Ignite right before Combustion was extremely satisfying, on top of being one of the most unqiue DPS cooldowns in the game. The only problem with it was design wise was that it required Crit hard capping to be consistent, which Blizzard was too fucking uninspired to do in talents.

It would have been extremely easy, just change Rune of Power
>Rune of Destruction
>Identical to what Rune of Power is in Legion except increases crit by 50% for the duration instead of increasing damage by 50%

>>140723798

>advocating the horrible rune talents
>ever

What if instead of having like, one person that doesn't play the game and has no idea what the fuck they're doing, they consulted top players for balance?

Would that be a complete disaster or at least very slightly better than what they do now?

>>140722750
>This is true of basically every zone that doesnt have a daily hub
TBC and vanilla still had uses for zones even after leveling.
>reputations
>actually running to raids/instances
>farming
>dailies
Now you just afk in your garrison all day queuing to everywhere. WoW is truly dead.

>>140723935
Blizzard has made it clear that it's not going away despite how much everyone hates it, I'd rather make the most of it. the Legion version at least is only cancer in remission rather than Terminal.

>>140723964
thats basically what they do now

>>140723116
>2 buttons and they scale inversely with gear.
I'm unsurprised by this
>Outlaw would take an essay
If your essay revolves around Jolly Roger you can save it, I actually love that mechanic

>a perfect WW rotation can be made in a castsequence macro extremely easily, effectively making it a 1 button spec.
We could say this about bots too but if it's as much of a rotation as you make it out to be based on their combo breaker mastery then I'm not entirely too surprised, but I still like the spec and changes to SEF.

>Frost is and was always garbage
Yeah, in Legion you can have a different flavor of hot garbage with the spec though so there's that at least x)

>Legion Fire is literally WoD Frost with a different coat of paint
The difference is actually crit dependency with gear levels because your phoenix crits can all proc heating up, Hot Streak and the talents are much more psuedo crit oriented. I don't think it's exactly fair to call it a frost repaint when inferno blast and ice lance are far apart, you control your procs, and your burst / spread isn't just taking a passive ice lance cleave

>And Arcane is still boring as fuck with nothing fun about it, but easily the highest DPS. Quickening is a terrible talent and hands down better than everything else in tier 100, too.
I won't further comment on arcane seeing as I'm a huge noob to burn conserve vs it's Legion iteration but I do like the utility arcane is afforded in Legion to say the least with Displacement and Ice Barrier.

Poiint being, yes they are mostly just different, where you lost one skill cap you gained another in a different way (or two) in most cases. Whereas in WoD from MoP, you just lost skill cap, there was no replacement. That's why I'm not dismissing Legion so quickly based on my testing of classes alone

>>140723964
>Would that be a complete disaster or at least very slightly better than what they do now?

Blizzards biggest problem is they want people to play the game the way THEY want the game to be played. They don't want people making their own fun, they want to put fun in a box and hand it out as they see fit. Other games allow and encourage emergent gameplay, Blizzard does everything they can to prevent it.

>>140724071
no but I mean actually do something when people tell them their spec is broken and isn't "shaping up to be looking real good right about now maybe"

>>140723798
>you cant stack heating up and pryoblast
but that didnt fundamentally change the gameplay, you just sat on a proc longer. You still will want to cast pyro off of a fireball cast so that a pyro crit wont be negated by fireball not critting.
>living bomb functions differently
living bomb has not been rotational for a while, and having it spread on explosion makes it a more interesting AoE than just a delayed big burst
>ignite functions differently
you were never thinking about spreading ignite manually though. It was always to either get the crit from inferno blast or spread combustion.
>combustion is gone
like I said, thats the only real change. Yes, I would prefer to have old combustion back, but it only mattered every 2 or so minutes to start preparing a big ignite, the core rotation is unchanged.

Additionally, fire has gained 2 new active abilities.

>>140724120
>nd your burst / spread isn't just taking a passive ice lance cleave

Living Bomb and Ignite spread is literally completely passive in Legion though.

>>140724267
yeah, but you see the thing is is blizzard doesn't have the resources to balance anymore, so they have to prune every ability to save time and half ass everything so they can move to the next class before they run out of resources to balance everything.

>>140723964
are you seriously implying that the playerbase knows fuck all about balance?

>>140724364
>you were never thinking about spreading ignite manually though

Yeah, I do actually. I absolutely make sure to spread as much ignite as possible to priority adds. I dump all my HU and PB procs for Doomfires on Archi, Imps on Xhul, Bombs on Reaver etc. all so I can get as much damage on them as possible. Intentionally spreading your Ignite on Archi is anywhere from 20-50k DPS depending on your gear and kill time and means a whole lot less fire on the ground.

>>140724393
Living Bomb spread is fine as long as it doesnt loop endlessly

Pyro needs to have its dot back and both that and ignite need to be spread by Inferno blast.

>>140724393
You still need to apply living bomb, AoE strike, and yeah ignite's passive cleave. I don't see anything wrong with having to hit 2 AoE's while doing your single target to do AoE

>>140724859

Pyro doesn't need to have it's DoT back, it's base coefficient was buffed to compensate for the DoT removal.

>>140724393
>>140724916
Also your pheonix flame thing from artifact is your active AoE with 3 charges as well. Saving up charges preAE, flamestriking, living bombing, and then doing standard DPS is fine for an AoE rotation

>>140725067
but being able to spread the dot was nice.

>>140725067
It's still effectively no different than FFB for Frost now.

>>140725102
Artifact also has phoenix reborn as a multitarget ability

are the feats moved to legacy no longer attainable? stuff like the undying/immortal titles

>>140725240
FFB is gone :^)

>>140725240
I'd like to take a moment to say I also like Brainfreeze infinitely more in Legion than on live. I know it's going to be an unpopular opinion based on Frozen Orbs ongoing legal battles with terrain but I genuinely always thought FFB procs were boring as all fuck

>>140725128

It now creates a larger ignite which autospeads in Legion. It's DoT was removed because it really doesn't fit into the new design. If they were to add it back they might as well just revert all the legion changes to fire. Which would be nice. They also removed the DoT from flamestrike and doubled it's coefficient for the same reason, because instead of having multiple dots that all just do damage over time, you have one dot that is created off multiple spells which roll into each other that does... damage over time.

>>140725240

What did you mean by this?

>>140725492
I agree actually. Frozen Orb can be glyphed to no move but appear directly on the target iirc.

>>140725608
>What did you mean by this?

It's a proc that hits hard but doesn't really interact with your rotation or priorities in any major way beyond pressing it when it lights up.

>>140725739
>It's a proc that hits hard but doesn't really interact with your rotation or priorities in any major way beyond pressing it when it lights up.

The interaction is in the set up
>It now creates a larger ignite which autospeads in Legion. It's DoT was removed because it really doesn't fit into the new design. If they were to add it back they might as well just revert all the legion changes to fire. Which would be nice. They also removed the DoT from flamestrike and doubled it's coefficient for the same reason, because instead of having multiple dots that all just do damage over time, you have one dot that is created off multiple spells which roll into each other that does... damage over time.
They're still dots, they just coalesce differently. Flamestrike still leaves a huge pulsing damage on the floor, you still need to apply living bomb if you take it. The only functional difference is not preloading dots to spread on AoE, instead you just have solid AoE

>>140725739
Fire needs something to influence when you dump all youre phoenix flames

needs to do more than just damage. Turn it into a mini old-combustion so its damage grows off getting a big ignite going

>>140725739

But it is your rotation priority, that's how it interacts with it you brungus. What the fuck am I reading.

How does Pyro having a DoT component change this? This seems like a problem in relation to combustion now just being a damage buff. The filler rotation for fire remains closely the same with the addition of some new things like being able to cast instant Flamestrikes.

>>140726072
>just hit this on CD
boring as fuck. It cant even give heating up

>>140726147
Yes it can

>>140702225
HFC already got the 20% nerf, they just called it valor and made you do shit to get it

>>140725958
>Fire needs something to influence when you dump all youre phoenix flames

It does, sort of. You'll only use them during Rune of power because somehow Blizzard thought making it a 50% damage buff was a good idea. It lasts 10 seconds so you get 6 GCDs.
>Fish for PB proc
>Combustion for 100% crit
>RoP
>PFx3 PB PB IF PB IF PB

>>140726072
>How does Pyro having a DoT component change this?

You dump all your Pyroblasts just before an Add spaws then spread a DoT to them that ticks for 200k. Since the DoT requires only one GCD to get roughly the same damage as the direct damage hits of 3 Pyroblasts it basically carries Fire's ability to deal burst DPS to priority adds.

>>140726147

Heating up still exists bruv, you just can't get it while you have a Pyroblast!, the filler for fire is more about casting IB's to upgrade your heating ups after casting a pyro and using the Flame On talent to chain a bunch in a row during combustion.

Phoenix Flame's doesn't give heating up, which is kind of annoying, but at least it's not a Pyro override anymore.

>>140726347

>Fire's ability to deal burst DPS to priority adds.

I'm laffin.

>>140726347
>you only use them for rune of power
which is a talent. lmao great game design

>>140726429
I never said that heating up was gone, my point was that Phoenix Flames doesnt interact with it

>>140726652
Yeah I know but it's going to be even worse in Legion. At least we can game the system somewhat now.

>>140726658
>which is a talent. lmao great game design

But isn't Mirror images that scale with literally nothing such a great cooldown?

Why can't hunters tame snakes?

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>Blizzcucks will defend this

>>140727017
see ya on reddit faggot

>>140719992
in answer to the first, The MMO playerbase has moved on to other genres. Those who grew up with them have actual responsibilities now and the new gamers coming of age were raised by cod, minecraft, and mobileshit

>>140727017
To quote a great warrior: Times change

>>140727419
>those who grew up with them have actual responsibilities now
>he thinks anyone who grew up on wow became a functional, well adjusted adult with a job and friends

>>140727596
Apparently not because we've got 500 days of HFC with no changes.

>>140727596
sometimes to the worse

>>140727017
>midtier trash gets a mention in vanilla or TBC but not Wrath

jek

>>140727687
>500 days of HFC with no changes
That it didn't need any changes proves how great the content was. 6.2 was the largest content patch they ever did, remember.

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>>140726429
>>140726658
Where are you guys getting this info? My phoenix flame's certainly affects both Heating up and Hot Streak.

Also you can hold a phantom charge on Heating up while you have Hot Streak active. You can test this by using combustion, hitting phoenix flame's and after you use up your Hot Streak you'll have a heating up left up to inferno blast and puyro again

Just got to tanaan how easy is it to gear up here?

>>140727746
>Wrath
>literally a one room raid with one boss re-skinned
vs
>Vanilla
>a big new instance with completely new bosses
>TBC
>the same as above

>>140727989
its pretty easy. most elites and treasures drop 650 gear that has a chance to be upgraded as warforged all the way up to 675. there's also a small chance for apexis fragments which will bump a single piece of baleful gear up to 695.

>>140721986
i cant speak for brewmonsters, but windwalker is no longer a clusterfuck of random convoluted shit, moving death strike to runic power was single handedly the best blood dk change ever, enhancement finally gets a rework it's needed for years (lol harcasting in melee for optimal deeps and exponentially scaling aoe that meant ST dps had to be eternally in the shitter), and shadow might actually be a thing again. unholy looks great too. cant speak to warriors, i dont play those much, but nothing can be worse than the MS - wait - wait that was arms

>>140727934
>Where are you guys getting this info? My phoenix flame's certainly affects both Heating up and Hot Streak.

This was added in the most recent build about 18 hours ago iirc.

>Also you can hold a phantom charge on Heating up while you have Hot Streak active
You can't. There's a 250 ms delay between a spell hitting and not critting, and the Heating Up charge dissipating, this grace period is what allows a cast Fireball that doesn't crit and an Instant crit Pyroblast to not dissipate a HU and instead turning it into a Pyroblast.

>>140721583
Stagger doesn't interrupt mounting or looting a world item IIRC

>>140728169
>but windwalker is no longer a clusterfuck of random convoluted shit,
>I don't play WW

>moving death strike to runic power was single handedly the best blood dk change ever
>Pull boss
>Boss hits me for a fuckton because I haven't got any Bone Shield charges up because that's not a Cooldown anymore
>I can't get RP quickly because I need Bone Shield
>I can't heal because I have no RP

This doesn't even touch on the underlying Balance issues of having you primary active healing scale inversely with with your mitigation, or the fact that Heart Strike might as well be taken off the bars completely because using it *exclusively* at the expense of Marrowrend only nets you 1 extra DS every 70 seconds. An extra DS which will, outside of the initial pull, heal for shit because it scales inversely with mitigation.

>>140727934

I guess it is, but it wasn't before. I was playing fire in the early raidtest and ignoring Pyretic Incantation being broken as fuck, it felt awful because Phoenix flames would override your Pyro ability when you had a flame orb charge and not be able to proc heating up.

This is actually a nice change since one cast of it is giving my a Pyroblast! which would give more synergy to on demand burst aoe with using PF's followed by Flamestrikes.

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>>140728317
It's been like this for more than that because I was using it to do 51cK m0t4g3 Bur5t with it last week as well so maybe a couple builds old

Also yes, you can have phantom heating up procs. Phoenix's travel time will make this a bitch sometimes but you should be close for D breath still unless I am mistaken. D Breath cannot proc Heating up / Hot Streak though I just noticed
>>140729175
Yes
>>140729175

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>>140728767

>BloodDK Feedback Thread

>>140730678
>Ask for feedback
>People give it
>"Your feedback is wrong, stop giving us feedback about it"

Why do they even bother asking for feedback if their design decisions are already finalized internally?

>>140730792
Some of the threads are more of a "Please let us know if something is bugged" Feedback Thread

>>140730858
Death Strike being useless for its intended purpose sounds pretty bugged to me.

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>>140730792

I assume because they're trying to get a certain design to work and they want players to run with it rather then just complain it doesn't work like it used to.

>>140731192
But that's not very smart when said design scales inversely with player skill and gear or requires the tank to walk around picking up fucking bubbles while he tanks the boss. Can you even imagine how painful that's going to be for BrM's who play with even a little bit of lag? It's going to be impossible to position anything.

Sometimes a developer needs to take a step back and as themselves "Is this idea fucking retarded?"

Haven't played since WoD launch when that ogre raid was the new thing. Is there enough new shit to keep me busy for a while now?

>>140731691
One raid. Don't waste your money.

>>140718076
do you play on moonguard