/evn/ - dreaming of the future

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>>140261015
Why dreaming? Build you own future !

>>140261192
But that takes too long

I want to write but trying to write is making me sleepy today and it's too early to go to bed.

>new thread already
>last one didn't die before 750
Are EVNs becoming popular?

>>140240831
Well, it's powerfap and wish fulfillment because that's what I enjoy, in a high fantasy setting because real life is hard to do and anyway it tends to make people geet political if you do a lot of what I want to do, plus there's less variety in the kinds of strange things you can encounter without it getting totally bizarre. Basic narrative was chosen because it puts the MC, like the player, in a scenario where you don't know a lot about the world, but it still allows me to weave in larger setting details to keep it interesting. The MC choice is actually kind of a generic self-insert character, I prototyped it with a dark elf lesbian and with a goblin trader MC, but I think a human noble is going to make more sense and be easier for people even if it doesn't stand out as much.

What is the best evn in recent memory and why is it Lucid9?

>>140264060
Katawa Shoujo!

>>140264359
It actually is, sadly.

>>140264791
>>140264359
What's actually good about it?

>>140264060
Lucid9 has a good story but the art is just "okay" and they have way fewer expressions for a lot of characters than they really need.

>>140264913
It's not good, it's better than everything else.

>>140265617
So you're saying it's the only EVN you've played?

You should stop making assumptions.

>>140266859
>>140266121

future is ded

>>140264060
shill

>>140272042
>it is impossible to legitimately like a thing

>>140272256
It is on 4chan. We ironic here.

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>>140264060
I'm literally still mad.

I am Mass Effect 3-level mad.

>>140272256
A low-content post like "Over the Hills and Far Away is the best-looking EVN ever made" doesn't produce much in the way of response other than "no it isn't" 'yes it is" "hi DF"

If only people could be arsed to write full reviews so we could really talk about what's good and bad in games.

>>140272532
It produces a bump though.

>>140272486
>mad
Did you get the bad end and just stick with that?

A comment from last thread intrigued me and I opened up the assets to several EVNs in the $15 range I owned. Rising Angels Hope leads in length of story, number of soundtrack pieces, number of backgrounds, and number of shown characters.

I guess the lesson here is hard work does not always pay off. Make boob games instead.

>>140273953
I think it's also important to not work hard on a shit game.

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>>140272939
no

>>140274101
why work hard on anything at all

>>140275053
quality OC

>>140273953
Got numbers on those? (just curious how they compare)

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Did anyone play this?

>The characters each have very large eyes. The largeness as of which would cause a majority to suffer blindness as the occipital region of their brain isnt developed enough to cope.

>>140281118
blindness is moe

>>140280065
I don't even know what it is.

>>140281990
https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/4gc8sw/one_thousand_lies_available_now_for_free_on_steam/

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any old thing can get through steam greenlight these days...

>>140283639
dude truffles lmao

>>140283639

>empty eye sockets
>pig with human eyes

nightmare fuel

>>140261015
ESPORTS dreaming of the future?

>>140285856
esports? I forgot about them

>>140285972
orz

>>140284614
Pigs with Hats is the new Llamas with Hats.

>>140272532

I put up a review last thread, amigo, but nobody discussed much. I feel like I need to go more in depth on my next one.

>>140297352
Well, cheers for trying, anyway

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Is Missing Stars completely dead or what?

>>140299049
>Missing Screws
I hope so.

>>140299049
I thought that was officially dead years ago, like most KS ripoffs

>>140299289
>>140299356
Why so mean tho?

>>140299049

>You will never stick your dick in the mouth of a cannibal.

>>140300140
What's mean? I wouldn't object if it suddenly turned up.

living hell

>>140306280
Dead hell, you mean.

>>140306280
cutie demons

>>140308846
Demons who are concerned about your boundaries and constantly ask if you're OK with what's happening.

>>140309273
*swoons*

>>140309273

you know, that bothered me the most about the game. Of all the creatures to pick for a consent game, why SEX demons?

>>140311245
Look at it like this. For the game's setup you want people who are definitely, absolutely, 100% into the sex and not coerced, AND are not going to hang around afterwards and mess up your life. The platonic ideal fuckbuddy.

You can't use just normal everyday fuckbuddies or people you meet at a bar or a sex party or whatever, because then there might be complications, there might be awkwardness, you might see these people again. It's not a pure no-strings fantasy.

If you were writing Vorkosigan fanfic you could have Betan Licensed Sexual Practicioners, who are quite happy to be hired for sex and never see you again and everyone has a good time, but Earth-world prostitution comes with a lot of complications and hangups and bad connotations. I mean, there absolutely are call-girls who are in it both because they like money and because they like sex, and not because they're being held captive by smugglers or struggling to feed their meth habit, but thinking about that sort of thing is again going to detract from the pure perfect sexual initiation.

>>140311245
It's kind of weird if random people barge into your home and ask if you wanna fug, but that's what sex demons exist for.

>>140311797
Clearly we should write a game about going door to door asking people if they want sex.

>>140265617
>KS
>anywhere even remotely close to UAB in any way

UAB is my least favorite /evn/ meme since tracing. Even managers were funnier.

>>140314415
What makes you think it's a meme?

>>140314415
How is it a meme? Have you played it? Can you name a more impressive EVN?

>>140316309
It's a meme in that everything invariably gets compared to it now. Apparently a game can't have its own strong points because UAB did it better.

>>140316479
It can't be helped when someone claims an EVN that isn't UAB is way better than everything else.

>>140316479
You're flat out lying. I've never seen anyone compare UAB to any recent release that's been discussed. When it's brought up, it's always been when people ask "what EVN did X best" or what people think is the best EVN. Or it's a discussion about nukige, where it belongs.

>>140171780
I'm always jealous of people who can draw stuff like this because even though it's not my fetish, look at how good the clothing and skin fold coloring is. I couldn't draw a t-shirt to save my life and her skirt is really well drawn (although I don't understand that one flesh bump behind it on the left).
Then again it might be they're just good at traditional stuff (which is more forgiving when it comes to blending especially w/ copic markers) and if they tried to color digitally it'd look shitty.

>>140318154
ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>140318387
I'm being 100% serious. I wish I could color that decently (and definitely do folds even halfway decent as that), but like I said blending with copics is more forgiving because it's easy to overblend with digital and even with Ctrl-Z you might not be able to tell when you've blended too much.
I don't remember if it was here or not but someone said something about how sketches look better because there are usually multiple lines so your eye picks up on the best ones regardless of if they're connected, and when you do lineart sometimes it loses the expression or action or whatever. I think the same thing happens with coloring. Traditional copic coloring you can control blending better than digital and you have a better feel for what's working or not (provided you know what you're doing in the first place of course).

>>140318849
That's a rather interesting opinion. Out of all the images and some of the anons posting progress in that thread, what made you pick that one as the one you'd like to match? To be perfectly honest, and completely setting aside the fetish, it's a rather poor image in every regard.

>>140319749
I was scrolling past and the circle post caught my eye because I thought it was talking about a part of the GUI. And then I don't know about anyone else but 9/10 times the art for an EVN is digital so the scanned in drawings made it stick out even more.
And then I saw the folds and I was like "oh man, those are nice." That was pretty much the whole process.
I still wish more people posted about GUI in here, but desu I understand that they'd rather figure out boob size for their heroines and than stuff like that.

>>140320179
We do post about it but I don't think most of us have good design points and guidelines. We can nitpick a few pieces of someone else's bad gui but when it comes to good ones we just suggest stealing

>>140320363
>stealing
Ah yes, the Eddy Guerrero technique. It's worked out for me in the past desu

>>140320363
A good GUI is a virtually non-existent one. White text on a black screen for menus, zero visible options during NVL.

>>140321254
but all these vector embellishments I downloaded...

>>140321254

I disagree. I prefer GUIs that match the overall aesthetic of the game.

>>140322162
Taste the meat, not the heat, faggot.

>>140263186
No, it's probably me that decided to watch these threads recently and added a few posts.

>>140263186
You can thank those guys arguing about futa for that.

>>140323110
threads don't usually die. you can look back on past threads and see that the majority of evn threads survive perfectly well. the most recent thread fail we had, iirc, was during that stupid meme outbreak, when a lot of people actually left the thread (and bitched about it elsewhere) and therefore the number of posters dropped and the thread died early.

>>140321254
That's certainly a viable GUI and is better than many half-assed attempts turn out, but it lacks character.

Hinting at atmosphere helps improve immersion and enjoyment.

No music is better than bad music, but not better than decent music.

>>140324269
Nah, most people turn the music off anyway

>>140325034
I downloaded a demo yesterday and normally I turn it off right away, but this time I forgot and the music was actually pretty good. It makes me wonder what other EVN music I've missed out on.

>>140325326
I like how their face actually changes with the expression. That and noses are what I miss most from generic shovel-face art styles.

>>140325672
I've sometimes had to add a stretch-face version for very open-mouthed expressions but I admit I don't really ask artists to vary the face shape much

>>140326590
It's just so much easier to do blank face with layers of eyes/mouths.
Sometimes you gotta just make the easiest decision and learn to live with yourself after. Not that it's hard to live with yourself, it's more common to do the layer method than having the whole face match.

An MC who is introspective, observant, and sarcastic/asshole-ish in his thoughts, but spills spaghetti when talking to girls and other people and comes across as awkward in real life.

Does this sound believable?

>>140327287
Of course it does, it's you as a protagonist.

>>140327287
Of course it's believable, the question is whether it's interesting

>>140327640
Close, but no quite.

>>140327757
I am planning on some character development for him into a more outgoing and fun loving guy. I don't want to make another Hisao after all..

>https://www.patreon.com/gdidoujins?ty=h

Make a patreon for titty games and the money will come, they said

>>140328690
>a literally who who took 5 years to make a 30 minute game has no supporters
Shocking.

>>140327287
I hope he has a fedora.

>>140327757
The main issue is to not come off as an author self-insert, I imagine. Well, that and to not create someone totally unlikeable.

Alternatively, just make him a cute girl and everything will resolve itself.

>>140328690
>https://www.patreon.com/gdidoujins?ty=h
Is that game even out yet though? I follow him on twitter, and the last tweet said release was sometime in May.

>>140330238
I think the announcement said people needed to back now in order to receive the release when itcomes out at the beginning of may

>>140330695
Oh, I never checked out the patreon. $2 for the release is very fair, considering it doesn't look to be a bad game aesthetic wise, and the writing that has been showcased isn't awful.

I hope he plans on using more than just Patreon to ship, I think people will be hesitant to even click the link. It's common for Patreon to be on a monthly or bi-weekly payment structure, not by release, and people may think this is the case when seeing a Patreon link. At least I did.

>>140329653
No fedora, just a NEET with greasy hair.

>The main issue is to not come off as an author self-insert
This accusation gets thrown around too much these days that I can't really take it seriously anymore.

>>140331738
mary sue mary sue mary sue mary sue

>>140331738
You basically described every introverted teenager and young adult. Given where you are and what you're making, it's a pretty good guess it's a self-insert.

>>140332087
Like I said, it's a meaningless accusation. The intelligent/well cultured yet social retard/loner archetype isn't anything new and has been reused a billion times since Kyon.

>>140332752
>The intelligent/well cultured social retard/loner archtype isn't anything new
That's what that guy's saying. They're constantly done because they're perfect self inserts for the audience.

>>140333216
I'm just saying it's not an author self-insert, dude.

>>140240831
I thought it sounded cool at the time. Plus all the different kinds of cute boys I like in a setting where it sort of makes sense that they all exist.
In retrospect the overarching plot doesn't really match up with the slice of life aspect of it though. I'm sure I could do some sort of "magic ain't gotta explain shit" plot device to fix it though

>>140320363
If it's "inspiration" (aka stealing) you're after, I suggest
freepik.com/free-vectors/design-elements
and then you could always search for theme specific shit if needed.

Alright, we're past mid-week now, how has your week been so far? Any progress goals for the end, extending into the weekend?

>>140341805
Halfway through finishing another chapter.
Still need to edit and proof-read my prologue and intro chapter tho.

Probably going to start another commission later this week.

>>140341805
Finish coloring my first background ever.

For the love of god post something you're doing. Anything.

>>140346714
But if I do people will shitpost.

>>140347098
Go for it anon. It's ok, just believe in yourself.

>>140346714
/EVN/ I need help. How do I become a degenerate that is not ashamed to write this filthy porn?

>>140350468
Pick out the most godawful porn fanfiction that you can and only ever compare your work to that.
It's the secret to being happy with any of your creative endeavors really.

>>140350468
What's the difference between porn and romance writing ?
Looks like the same shit for me.

>>140353893
You're an illiterate college manchild.

>>140325034
>>140325201
>still acting like this is happening
worst /evn/ meme, apply yourself

>>140354173
You can't answer the question without insulting a person.
Your words worth nothing.

>>140350468
You gotta start young, I started writing porn when I was 12 or something. Now I've become so desensitized it's actually a little worrying.

>>140354490
>making an attempt to answer a literal shitpost
No, thanks, I'd rather call you by your name.

>>140354173
They're right though. Romance is just porn for the heart.

>>140357596
And mystery is porn for the brain? What is porn for the gallbladder?

>>140359876
Don't know, but surely porn for the colon is this thread.

>>140360060
can confirm, I always shit better if I browse /evn/ on the toilet

>>140360661
I'm sure the act of defecation is accompanied with literary excreting in this thread.

>>140360661
Never understood people who use electronics in the bathroom.

>>140361505
Some people masturbate with videogame controller rumble functions. Taking a tablet or phone to the toilet is nothing compared to that.

>>140361930
>Some people masturbate with videogame controller rumble functions.
That's somewhat understandable. Using a phone on the toilet isn't.

>>140362140
Yeah, you're retarded.

>>140362385
Improvised masturbation tools are as old as time. Besides, I'd wager people who do that at least clean their controllers afterward. You don't wash your tablets or phones after taking them into the bathroom, do you?

>>140362789
>wash
Clean, rather. Was thinking of washing hands.

>>140362789
Do you wash your entire body and all your clothes every time you go into a bathroom?

>>140362907
I wash my hands, which are likely filthy after touching the doorknob.

>>140362789
Seriously, just stop posting.

>>140362789
I poo on designated shitting streets.

>>140363056
Make me.

Remember that old VN where you're trying to sex up a girl except she accidentally impales herself on a joystick and thinks it's your cock? Good times.

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Another CG was delivered to me today. Pretty happy with progress so far.

Time for the emotionless doll's h-scenes

>>140364130
As long as the 'emotionless' doll faintly blushes by the end of it, allowing us to triumph that we have made her feel....

>>140365013
but this is a femdom VN, anon

she'll be the one making you feel things. Again and again, until it starts to hurt, and then she'll keep going on, even after that, with the same blank look gazing down at you

>>140365542
oh, okay.
not my kink but i can see how it works, i guess

>>140368787
who's the creep in the bear costume

>>140372689
that's just a real bear that crept onto the photoshoot

rip lemmasoft

>>140373252
shameful

Is C14 Dating any good?

>>140380202
There's a demo and some videos from Chris Tenarium.

>>140380202
http://www.englishotomegames.net/post/141786169251/c14dating with ratings and comments from otome fangirls

>>140380202
I wish he'd stop making stat-raising sims, his take on them is so pointlessly boring. spam a single stat endlessly to date a character. what fun is that?

>>140380202
Torrent it and find out.

>>140385380
did enough people buy it for there to be a torrent?

>>140385423
It was up a day or two after release.

>>140385851
KILL IT WITH FIRE

>>140386370
Think of the possibilities! It can give two blowjobs at once!

>>140385851
[x] open a hat shop in the town with the biggest population of two-headed people

>>140388128
FIRE!

there's an 'anime game sale' on steam atm if you want discounts on evns

>>140394996
why do people even like anime

>>140395132
because of tiddies

>>140395493
ah, obviously

>>140395132
big eyes trigger your desire to nurture and fuck infants

Rising Angels is on discount for the anime week-end, 20% off.

>>140397895
Should've waited til it was complete and gotten it for the extra 5% off.

>>140397895
Everyone will continue not to care

>>140398391
It was 33% off at release.

>>140398450
Then you talk about something EVN related.

>>140403896
Sorry, I wasn't trying to scold you, I was bemoaning the poor author's failure. Rising Angels Hope seems to be met with a resounding silence.

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Did some little character write ups for my blog, since my blog currently pretty empty. This is the first of many, whenever I get the time in between doing actual writing. It kind of reads all over the place to me now, but I've been up for like 20 hours. I'm all over the place myself.

>>140406313
japs like to list bloodtype because it's a sort of a horoscope thing for them, but those stereotypes are largely unknown to us wait piggus, I never understand why some people ape them in that regard
though since you're probably targeting weebs, carry on

>>140406313
I love girls in suits.

She's more moe than I expect out of a suit girl usually, and that's strangely formal clothing for a description of 'tomboy' and 'dangerous situations', unless she's currently leaping into some sort of risky business dealing...

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>>140406313
tfw I have a female character in the almost exact same outfit

She isn't in a VN though, just a book series

girls in suits are awesome

>>140408906
I looked into it because of that, I am of course targeting weebs in some regard but I really just needed to fill more blank space without making text huge.

>>140409067
She did turn out more moe than I intended, it was my fault for being bad at art direction. I'll get it right the second time, as there is a several year time skip.

The description of tomboy was more for her youth, I'll be doing an entire story arc on the life crisis that is touched upon in the description. Hopefully I've grown enough to portray a proper tomboy character.

>>140409741
>>140409067
Great taste by the way, I'm glad suit girls seem to be popular. Last bump before I go to bed, later.

>>140409067
Sorry, it bothered me how I answered this.

Mary is still very much a tomboy throughout, mostly portrayed through her thought patterns and her actions. I also hoped the sloppy way of wearing her suit would help portray this a bit, but if it comes across too formal, I'll have to think of ways for it to be less so in the future. Thanks.

>>140414110
If it makes you feel better I don't think she looks overly formal at all. I also don't see why a tomboy wouldn't wear a suit.

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>>140414110
It's fine, don't worry, I was just giving my absolute surface impressions in case they were useful for first-reaction feedback, not a sign that you need to change things!

>>140414463
>I also don't see why a tomboy wouldn't wear a suit.

Maybe I have different connotations for the word than other people do. When I hear 'tomboy' I tend to picture a girl who's rather rough-and-tumble. Dirty, blue-jeans, likes to climb trees, walks around with a baseball bat over her shoulder... that kind of character.

So I wouldn't expect a tomboy in a suit because I expect a tomboy in the mud.

I've heard from some people that they think my version of tomboy is too butch and that a tomboy is any girl who doesn't wear a lot of makeup/dresses. This confuses me.

Are there any good horror, suspence, or mystery evns on Steam?

>>140418328
EVN?

Well, there's Lucid9 and Cupid which are both free.

Aviary Attorney is probably the wrong kind of mystery for you.

Impulse! is supposed to be a mystery but I have no idea if it's any good, I don't know anyone who's played it. Sickness, again, doesn't get talked about much and what little I've heard about it wasn't good but I don't know for sure. Break Chance Memento apparently spends much more time on the family drama than the mystery.

Solstice maybe?

For lesser-known JVN there's Sound of Drop (on sale for the weekend) or Magical Eyes.

Anyone have a link to Starlight Vega download? It's supposedly up on mediafire and mega but Google isn't helping.

>>140420027

And this is why yurifags never get anything nice.

>>140420409
/u/ keeps telling people off for asking and the one time a link was posted, the mods deleted it. most of /u/s want things to sell.

On the other hand it has moved some copies already and it raised money on kickstarter, so it's not like it's desperately struggling to break even.

>>140420027
It's on sale for the anime weekend anyway. Just buy it

>>140420027
Why not buy it?

I visited the Sekai Project site and noticed that all of their EVNs, even the ones that were published a couple of weeks ago, are on the "older games" section of the site. Do they feel ashamed of them or something? What's the point of going with them and giving them a cut of the money if they relegate your game to that part of the site soon after it's published?

>>140420927
The non-older games seems to be solely games that haven't been released yet

>>140420927
They hate evns. They only deal with them, because it's free money.

>>140420765
>so it's not like it's desperately struggling to break even.

still, unless your game is a labor of love, devs need to make a profit.

>>140420927
Sekai will actually fund your game if it's not shit.

>>140421079
But they funded HRP.

>>140421241
Cocksucking was involved.

two (2) months to complete a single sprite without expressions

>>140421079
It's definitely better to support things if you want them to make more, I'm just not going to go "oh, you absolute asshole" the same way i would if you're trying to pirate a game that sold basically nothing

>>140420765
>>140420827
I can only buy it on steam and I don't want my friends to know I spent money on a VN about gay girls.

>>140421530
artists are scum

>>140421241
HRP wasn't bad though. Slow and not as well thought out as it could have been, but not downright bad.

>>140421745
Oh shit, I'm retarded. nvm I can buy it elsewhere

>>140421745
You can buy it off steam
https://razzartvisual.itch.io/starlightvega
alternately, buy it on steam, tell people it was a gift, and then play it offline so people don't see your hours

who the fuck pirates indie vn

>>140422238
Also, it was only a demo, which are used to get feedback so they know how to improve. If in the 2 years between the demo and the full release it's still boring then we can say it's bad

>>140419101
Thanks. I already own the free ones, but I'll probably check out Sound of Drop and Magical Eyes.

>>140421530
Was it a sloth?

If I were a sloth, I would be really slow at drawing. I'd spend too much time on trees and it would take me lots of time to get to my desk, and then I'd draw reeeeaaaaallyyyy sloooowwwlyyyy.

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http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=674733700

go vote for us, just don't do the big thumbs-up VALVE PLEASE ADD THIS thing even if that's what lets you get your rocks off. thanks shillboys

>>140422478
>Release a demo with a cliffhanger
>Have to wait two years to read what happens
Kill me.

>>140422446
Me. And I'll pirate your game too.

>>140423668
Knowing that you despise me turns me on

>>140424508
I don't even know who you are. I just pirate everything.

>>140425016
i-i thought what we had was special

>>140425016
Knowing that you are a great uncaring force that despises me dispassionately is like being raped by an emotionless doll

>>140385851
That's pretty neat.
But yeah, I imagine two headed people are quite hard to pull off in a way that isn't off-putting.

>>140425431
that's a good thing, right

>>140393612
Is this a dungeon crawler?

>>140395132
The real question is why does anyone like anything else?

>>140422181
Like anyone else is any better.

>>140427930
It was meant to be but it's a WIP project that will probably never be finished

>>140395132
Anime is God's gift to mankind and I am saddened to see people reject His kindness.

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>>140427930
>>140428515

wake up faggots
don't expect tits to save you

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>>140422181
>mfw have a good artist who bends to my will and completes everything in a reasonable timeframe
>mfw afraid I'll eventually scare him/her off with my demands

fug

I think it's really annoying when people leave negative Steam reviews saying to buy some other game instead. It's especially irritating when they recommend something that's a completely different genre, or covers very different themes. It comes across as them being a fanboy, just trying to shill a game they like, while putting down another game.

>>140449364
I think these threads are often way worse than any steam review in terms of fostering a healthy community. It's sad that so many people are too nervous to post anything here, and even if they do, the best they can hope for is something like "cute", but more often than not they're completely ignored, or outright mocked.

>>140451231
Why are you here, then?

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>>>/v/335870476

How's your day anons? Made any progress?

>>140456139
>otome thread on /v/
FUCK YES IT'S BEEN SO LONG

>>140455534
Better question would be why is anyone here.

>>140436664
both are very bangable for different reasons
10/10 boy design

>Always Remember me is getting panned by reviews.
>I've been listening to the stupid theme song since I found it.
I wish I wasn't so loose with my wallet. But I know it's not going to be the game I want. I want a woman going insane with the fact that her boyfriend can't remember her. Like her breaking down and shouting at him like Grim does to Billy to stop being afraid of clowns.

>>140456139
I JUST came to this thread to check it out and I find this.
I want to date JonTron. This is the most amazing thing I've seen all month.

>>140458523
You serious?

>>140456139
And this is how you properly shill an EVN on /v/.

>>140460498
listen, I never grew out of my love for emo/goth boys and I will not stand being denigrated for it.
so you are going to see my post about how I want to fuck those goth elves and you are going to like it.

>>140456324
>evn shit
>otome thread

Nah, I'm staying the fuck away from that shit.

It's too early for you to die.

>>140466838
Don't tell me what to do.

>>140461487
>playthroughs where everyone makes fun of the game are shilling

>>140470727
Did you see the huniepop threads leading up to it's release? It was nothing but people laughing and shitting all over it.

>>140471385
Yes, and?

>>140423668

>VN
>Game

You share a thread with people that seriously think this.

>>140472265
>>>/steamforums/

>>140472145
And it still did incredibly well for some god forsaken reason
There's no such thing as bad exposure, especially on /v/ where they pretend to hate everything for kicks.

>>140472389

Choices aren't gameplay discuss

>>140472595
Because anime titties and ironic normies. You seem to forget a download link was thrown around in every thread post release and no one was actually advocating buying the game (except those mouthy fucking retards who can't shut up about "muh SJWs, buy it to spite them")

But anyway, it's two different situations. Otome threads are usually translated Japanese games or shitty free EVNs. Or the best case scenario, newgrounds dating sims. If the game is commercial, there's a download link.

>>140473071
You seem to be assuming everyone on /v/ is a pirate just because a few guys passed around a download link.
And it's not a different situation. Exposure is exposure. Especially when there's three full threads, and maybe more that I didn't see, that hit the bump limit.

>>140473406
That's not unusual. There were three or four threads about that April was a liar game but no one was actually interested in playing on their own time.

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>>140472595
>for some god forsaken reason
Because the gameplay was GOAT and despite having a bare minimum of a story, the girls were all qt3.14s.

>>140474959
>bejeweled
>GOAT
>those shallow sluts and bitches
>qt

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>>140476636
So you haven't played it.

>>140472145
Shilling tends to imply you think the devs or their friends are doing it for attention, instead of someone playing the game for fun and sharing it.

I know that whenever I've actually attempted to shill on /v/ the threads just instantly die. Then real players start threads and the threads survive, and get accused of being me shilling.

>>140477265
I'm saying that precisely because I played it. Like you said, the story is absurd and practically nonexistent. The girls and your interactions with them are extremely shallow. Half the cast is boring, and the other half is irritating. It baffles me that people unironically waifu them.
There's not even any sex. What's the point?

>>140477265
As far as I know, the gameplay is good, but GOAT is still overstating it
i haven't played it

>>140479252
>There's not even any sex
Uh....

>>140479451
>blowing up balls while the VAs fake an orgasm
>sex
k

>>140479513
Okay, bud, that's enough shitposting for today. I know the thread is slow and all, but it'll manage without a dose of shitposting.

>>140479370
Well, it is just bejeweled, so it's solid in that respect. Any other interactions with the girls is newgrounds sim date tier.

>>140479513
Isn't that how your normal sex life works?

>>140480069
It's not 'just' bejeweled, it's a specific kind of match-3 with all those different meters to stock. Obsessive match-3 players would probably know the specific subgenre term and go into a long lecture in the way that we would if someone called Higurashi a 'dating sim'.

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>>140479513
Bad bait tbqh famalan.

>>140480069
I feel like anyone who calls it Bejeweled hasn't really played it or is just shitposting. Calling Huniepop Bejeweled is like saying PAD is Bejeweled - it's only true in the broadest definition of the word.

>>140481180
>I feel like anyone who calls it Bejeweled hasn't really played it or is just shitposting
>only true in the broadest definition of the word
Right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAOA7TYtXTs

as if that's all that different from this "bait"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9QqK2P4Iuc

>>140482181
It's a match-3. It has added mechanics that are not the same as Bejeweled. Are you really having trouble seeing that?

>>140482509
The only difference I see is that the bejeweled video looks more interesting mechanic wise, honestly.

>>140482631
>the only difference i see is that they have different mechanics
yes
yes they do

>>140483879
It literally looks like a dumbed down bejeweled.

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>>140482181
>Posts bedroom minigame instead of main game
Noice.

>>140484137
>>140482631
>it looks
>I see
You haven't played it, you keep shitposting. Care to explain, why?

>>140484475
Well, since he hasn't played it, he doesn't know they're different?

Should I stop working on my project as I recover from a fucking flake-out? Or should I return to the drawing board and polish my own drawing skills and never rely on other people again?

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>>140488716
NAME AND SHAME

>>140488716
It depends on quite how upset you are.

I'm going on the assumption that you've had an artist flake out on you, since you talk about drawing skills. While I only had the opposite experience (I finished all of the art assets and then the VN proper was never finished) I see it from a different perspective, but maybe the experience is useful to you anyway.

If you keep writing your project, you can keep motivated thinking of the next milestones and the final destination, which are going to be good for you. If you end up with a finished script, even without all or most of the art, you're also more likely to be able to attract more reliable artists as they are likely to be wary of anyone with an idea of a half finished script, but they would feel safer knowing that your script is finished. A finished script is also something to peruse and decide whether the project is something the artist might be interested in. I've joined a couple of projects for free because I had a completed script and in one case an artless build of a VN to play through in the other. In both cases, I saw that the writer was motivated enough to carry the project through.

If you feel burned out, though, maybe taking a small break might help. Play something you like for the week-end and come back to it after the break. I'm currently taking a week-long break myself for the same reason, because a few projects went wrong for different reasons and I'm a bit fed up and I feel like I need to recharge.

Anyway, I hope you find someone at some point! If you decide to draw it yourself, I wish you luck with your art studies!

>>140488716
Fucking artists man. I know your pain, friend. None of those cunts should be ever trusted.

>>>/ic/2504508
ok who did this

>>140493142
http://tether32.deviantart.com/gallery/

>>140493450
No mang, I meant that in a "which one of you would had a bright idea to fish for cheap artists on /ic/ of all places" way. Though that OP doesn't post here probably, what a shame, he's prime bullying material.

>>140488716
small break maybe? rage can make motivation hard, though sometimes it drives you on

anyone have luck with deviantart for writers? people give artists shit but at least talent is abundant on lemma.

How do you guys write your stories and organize them?

I have a ton of ideas for scenes in my head, but I find myself being unable to flesh all of them out and sometimes I even forget about them :(

>>140502413

Write an outline, even if it's just a sentence or two per scene.

>>140502413
>in my head
instant failure

>>140502471
Like a short description of what the scene is?

>>140502750
;_;

Impulse is already 50% off on Steam. It just came out earlier this month.

>>140502413
I started with google docs, moved onto openoffice when that got too laggy. Recently I started using ywriter. Keeps things well organized within a single project and has a bunch of features to keep track of everything.

When it comes to actually writing I've found that trying to plan everything beforehand just doesn't work. For one thing, I get paralyzed trying to settle down on what I want to happen. The possibilities are endless, so it's hard to decide.
The other reason is that I can never stick to plans when I draft them out. Maybe I'll realize an idea isn't as great as I originally thought, so I'll come up with something new on the fly (which usually turns out to be better than the original idea). A simple conversation or bit of narration could influence the decisions the characters will make in a way I could never have predicted in planning.
So I feel a lot more free just outlining what I basically want to accomplish and, with some brief setup, let the character go free and see how things play out.

>>140503779
nobody bought it though, and they're hoping to take advantage of the 'anime sale', i assume

>>140503506
>Like a short description of what the scene is?

Yeah. And if you've got a particularly important dialogue, write that down so you don't forget.

>>140484529
>>140485719
You just keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Funny how people spew this whenever they hear an opinion they don't agree with about a game they like.

>>140511068
>about a game they like
Anon, I hate those gamergate faggots and I haven't played their shitty game. None of that has anything to do with you being an idiot.

>>140502413
try to jot down the main points and major tidbits for scenes when they come to you, even in a plain txt file if need be. wait a day or two, reopen them and see if they're as good/cool as you thought they were when you first thought of them.
If you're talking overall, I use a plotting chart for the flow and try to divide scenes up into categories to organize them. So if it's character driven story -
>DAVE'S SCENES:
>popping his cherry
>burying his dog
>grief sex after burying dog
>burying his sister
>etc.
If it's plot driven maybe divide it into dates or locations. So -
>MONDAY'S SCENES:
>meet cute girl
>lose virginity via pegging
>WEDNESDAY'S SCENES:
>dog dies
>cry on cute girl's shoulder as we bury dog
>get pegged again
>etc.

And then you can either do individual docs for each category or one single one and break the categories into headings (I would choose the former for larger projects otherwise shit's gonna load forever).
Depending on the length of the scene you can either just do a summary in the organized doc with the filename of the file with the full scene, or just have the full scene in the organized doc. And then for sprites/images I try to do asides or comments when I write just to keep in mind what's happening, so
#drooling CG alt
>"He moans and wriggles from side to side as the strap-on sinks deeper. He's too focused on your thrusts to notice the drool leaking from the corner of his mouth."
#embarrassed/ashamed Dave sprite
>"I never came that fast before..."

That's just me tho.

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>>140515954
L-Lewd
I like it

>>140491154
Do artists do this often? I'm an artist myself and that just feels so wrong. Or maybe I'm still too naive.

>>140516716
I just came up with the examples off the top of my head, sorry m8.
Someday someone will make an EVN where you fuck cute boys with a strap-on until they're moaning, drooling messes.

>>140518141
Artists are temperamental and tend to burn out. Also, we're often not working with professionals.

>>140518141
15% of the artists I've worked with over the years have delivered on-time. Flaking out isn't nearly as common. I'd say about 10% take the upfront money and run.

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Launch your new EVN in the middle of the anime sale! I'm sure there won't be a problem with it being overshadowed...

>>140518361
Bless you. Pegging is far too underrepresented

page 10

>>140521730
Not everyone was informed of the sale beforehand. Some devs are still getting their games added to it.

A last minute delay could've harmed sales as well, and many people could be tapped out for awhile after the sale.

>>140529342
Sekai Project absolutely was, though, and should have informed any devs involved. They've known since early last week.

>>140521730
The whole thing didn't seem to be marketed well at all either. Which is a shame, because I feel like it has potential.

>>140532518
From what I've heard, the developer told them like a week before the game was released that they wanted to put it out right then. I think this one is on the dev, and not SP

>>140529342
>>140521730
i don't think an anime sale will hurt it and people will go through looking for games in the sale, but being yet another short episodic game will.

>>140532693
I hope it works out for him, I'd hate to see this project flop. He's taking quite the risk by going episodic, and then also not going hard with his marketing.

>>140537438
It doesn't say episodic on it up front either

rolling in all this delicious money
i love the steam anime sale

>>140514829
If you haven't played it then why are you saying they haven't played it?

>>140518141
It's not just artists, everyone I've ever worked with has flaked at some point. Many don't even start on anything before they just up and leave with no warning.
Without money, this is the norm. You can only hope you'll eventually find someone as passionate as you are, but that's especially hard for them when they're joining a project.

>>140542912
because these things are not related?
both of us can have not played something

>>140543504
Even with money most people are useless

>>140546312
Do you really not see the flaw with your reasoning?

>>140550247
Let me walk you through this real slow-like.
I have not played the game.
I am aware of how the game mechanics work, and that they are slightly different during sex scenes than during dates.
I am aware of this despite not having played it, because I have paid attention when people talk and I have glanced at more than one youtube video.
Therefore, when someone else accused you of unfairly showing only the bedroom minigame, I posted >>140485719 that perhaps you did not know any better.
That led to this post: >>140511068 claiming that I was defending a game I liked.

Are you with me so far?

>>140550725

Why are the girl in the red shirt's sleeves defying physics?

>>140550934
I don't really want to get into this, but did they ever state the sex scenes and dates weren't different? It looks to me like they were just responding to different parts of other people's posts and used it as a comparison.
>unfairly showing only the bedroom minigame
From what I remember, the only difference is dates had a turn count, a few different tokens and you could use items to change tokens, whereas in sex scenes you had to rack up a large number of points quickly. Not sure how only showing one would be unfair as it still shows the main form of gameplay. If anything, I found the sex scenes more frantic and challenging, which made it more interesting to me than the dates.

I don't even care about Huniepop, I just found it slightly amusing that you were accusing someone of not having played it when you hadn't played it yourself.

>>140550725
>White text on a yellow background
Why is this allowed?

>>140550725
What's the point of drawing cute girls if you're just going to make them lesbians?

>>140550725
Why do I dislike that background so much?

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>>140552284
We need our own Morality Police to stop GUI abuse.

>>140552304

why would anyone want non cute lesbians?

>>140552517

Because you can tell it was painted but at the same time it looks oddly like a filtered photo. It's like a background version of the uncanny valley.

>>140552304
Being lesbians IS the point of cute girls.

>>140552684

Who doesn't like a cute girl sandwich?

>>140552284
>>140552517
>>140551682

This is the same dev group who caused some drama in their Kickstarter by saying they have higher standards than other developers, right?

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>>140552284
We have a hi-contrast version that can be selected in the preferences for people who find it bothersome.

>>140557231

But that color just looks unappealing. Changing the font color is a more ideal solution.

>>140557350
We did try that, but aesthetically it didn't look as good as the white text.

>>140558350

It's not my project so it's not my place to judge your thought process, but in my opinion it's important to find a good balance between aesthetics and readability. Both of your text boxes have the opposite issue: one looks alright but hardly readable, the other one is perfectly readable but looks awful.

>>140557231
>>140550725
At this point it would look far better just as a straight black.
Especially if there are more backgrounds that provide such poor contrast with it, like this one.

>>140559585
No, no you're right. We had a several long discussions about this when we put the game on Greenlight. Several people in the comments brought it up while others didn't. From what we saw, it was mostly in the minority, but we wanted to address it with hi-contrast mode.

If it turns out that it's a majority thing, then that's on me, and if so, I won't let a similar mistake happen again. Fingers crossed.

i think the gui looks fine.

>>140560964

I hope you aren't in charge of your game's UI.

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Since I posted my last one here, and the thread is on page 10, here's another look into one of my characters.

shit dont die

>>140561269
I'm in charge of everything.

>>140563615
Is he fuggable?

>>140566825
None of my guys/girls are. I wouldn't even want to attempt writing a sex scene, I would be pretty awful at it.

>>140557231
Whoa, what is this? Is EVN finally moving back to the greatest art style?

>>140567389
You don't know until you try!

>>140567427
Those sprites are pretty ho-hum.

is 1280x720 resolution still a thing?

>>140570772

Yes, it's still the standard.

>>140570907
>not using resolution as part of your game play to innovate and aspire

Someone? Anyone?
So lonely

>>140577917
I'm here little buddy

>>140557231
Have you tried to use a drop shadow effect on the text instead?

>>140571253
Aspire to what?

>>140570772
Fuck that weaboo shit resolution. I'm going to use either 800x600 or 1024x768 in my project. Probably the first one. Widescreen for VNs is just retarded, I don't know what kind of inbred moron came up with that idea.

>>140583869
thank you for bumpnig, but we need more subtle bait, here's my attempt:
what's the point in making an EVN with typical animu art style and setting, even if you pour shitton of money/time in it, it'll probably be only about as good as a mediocre JVN

>>140557231
I feel like the textbox cuts off too much of the sprites, it might look a bit better if it was semi-transparent instead.

>>140584104
Hey, I do my best.
You can make an order for what bait you want next. Here's my list:
>taosym baits
>raithfyre baits
>winged cloud baits
>X artstyle is generic anime shit
>Y artstyle is not anime and thus shit
>Z is tracing
>Q is a tracing apologist
>I'm a poor writer and artists have been betraying me the whole life, please console me, hugbox
>I'm a poor writer and no one understands I'm original and I base all my writing on anime
>N project is shit sellout shill
>I sell games

>>140585024
I vote for winged cloud circlejerk with some JP bashing thrown in, they're my favorite

Is it worth attending GDC if you're just an evn dev?

>>140588694
At what price level would you be trying to attend, do you live in SF, and what would you be hoping to get out of it?

I find it hard to imagine that ANYONE is actually benefiting by flying from australia to SF, staying in a hotel for a week, and getting thousand-dollar tickets to some gaming convention in the vague hopes of rubbing shoulders with a member of the press

>>140589378
where's the van

>>140583663
>ho-hum
I think we're using a drop shadow effect right now. Truthfully, the text is pretty legible inside the build. I have terrible eyesight, but I've never had to struggle to read the text..