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game sux, we're all quitting soon

>News
www.oldgods.com

>Deck lists, news etc:
http://liquidhearth.com/
http://hearthstoneplayers.com/
http://hearthhead.com/
http://hearthpwn.com/
http://www.hearthstonetopdeck.com/

>Arena Help
http://heartharena.com/

>Open Tournaments:
https://strivewire.com/
http://play.eslgaming.com/hearthstone/
http://zotac-cup.com

>Deck Tracker:
https://github.com/Epix37/Hearthstone-Deck-Tracker/release

>Last Thread
>>135851817
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First for Pepe
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>>135898116
I refuse to believe sunwalker is a disgusting cow

alt card art when?
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Xth for best back
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>>135898294
What else did you think it was, genius ?
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>still playing hearthstone
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>double fireball in hand
>opponent at exactly 12 hp
>he plays a taunt minion
EVERY FUCKING TIME.
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>>135898294
Taurens are too underrepresented. If you want alt art for it, you need to suggest art of an existing card to be replaced with a tauren.
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>>135898554
But that's not this. I wish I had it
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post weird deck ideas
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>>135898294

>he doesn't like femtaurs

heretic
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>>135899197
what the FUCK IS THAT

ayylmao
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>>135899197
That looks retarded, anon. And not just on the basis of it supposedly being cow-like.
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>>135898997
I had a dumb idea to build a midrange warrior like you'd build midrange paladin. I went 5-0 with it at rank 10 for my quest and never touched it again. I'd post the list but I'm not home.
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>>135899197
>those nostril holes
>those fingers
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Why can't he hit legend anymore?
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Original Content
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Next old god reveal when?
Also what synergy will pic related see?
I get a feeling other priest cards or yogg saron related cards will pair well
Not just hurr my brann into next turn or sylv/rag
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>>135899797
fucking trash
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>>135899797
>not corrupted rager
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>>135898826
rank 20 card backs a shit, no exceptions
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EVERY.
GOD.
DAMN.
TIME.
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why can't you talk in this game? are they afraid i'm gonna talk shit?
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>>135899974

>doesnt have the first card back
sorry
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>>135899849

I'm not sure if its good enough. Most minions you'd want to copy are high mana threats that already win you the game if they survive a turn.
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>>135900026
>running 2

for what purpose
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>>135899797
>>135899893
No hold on, it might actually be playable. Just play it late game when there are no cheap minions to sack it.
Or play it with crazed alchemist and inner fire for a 10/10.
You could shadowflame it..
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>The Grand Dustament
>Whispers of the Old Dust
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>>135899774
He doesn't need to anymore, he has enough twelve year olds and oil niggers throwing money at him without having to try to be competitive
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>>135900230
>Dust of the old gods
>Dusty old gods
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>>135899797
>I've got the ragerer in mah sights
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>>135900230

>seriously implying people will not be running TGT/WOG cards now that their GvG/Naxx clutches have been removed
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>>135898826
>tfw owning every ranked cardback but the only one i use is the tespa cardback
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>>135900230
>playing wild
Might as well dip your balls in a bucket of angry lobsters.
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>>135900230
>the only fun looking card so far is one that everyone gets for free for logging on
I think the card back is selling the packs more than the actual content right now.
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>>135900095
nah autismo I actually do
get mad
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>>135900230
Here's your (you), pikachu.
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>>135900643
>mfw I've been playing for months and I never changed my cardback
Can't be bothered desu
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>>135898826

best card back besides legend or those special ones that no one has
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>>135900218
Play it in warrior with charge
Run it in a paladin deck with lots of spare parts. Use finicky cloak generator and blessed champion on it
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>>135900056
People already cry about offensive names, imagine how much they'd cry if you tilted them by judging every shitty play they made
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>>135900807
>spare parts

rip in fucking peace.
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>>135899960
No way fampai.
I'm still stuck on the old memes.
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Hey check it out! A new Paladin card!
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>>135900113
it's for memes. like double velen mindblast
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>>135901113
remove thyself
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>>135901113

delete this
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>Trying to have fun with malygos
>keep playing against aggro decks
this is just boring
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what deck beats wallet warrior?
in this current fucked up meta every second opponent I seem to encounter is an armorscrub, and I can hardly beat one in every 10 matches (with tempo or reno mage, with my patron deck I am fucked every single time)

>armor up
>armor up
>bash
>shield block
>armor up
>armor up
>justicar
>tank up
>tank up
>shield slam as 1 cost removal because even when they are not at 10+ armor, they can go shield wall + tank up to remove minions with up to 9 health
>not even having the interest of playing minions, if not just to remove one of yours
this cancer is getting even bigger than secretdin
yeah I'm mad
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>>135898997
you do realize that sheeps + seeds is not such a genius idea
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>>135901131
No one is stupid enough to let a Velen live a turn, and you can't play both together with a mind blast even with Emperor + Coin.
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>>135901328
>what deck beats wallet warrior?
most of them
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>>135901113
nah f a m not ebin enough for judgment armor
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>tfw never gonna get my daily gold
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>>135899849
I think it's just for deathrattle mostly. You could use it with Velen's, but I think it would be way more reliable in a midrange deathrattle deck.
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>>135901340
It's a 6 mana board clear with extra flexibility. There are worse ideas
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>>135901328
ayy nigger if they're such scrubs what does that say about you for getting shit stomped by them enough for you to have to blog post about it
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>>135901340
Why not? It does a full board clear.
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>>135901425
...really?
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>>135901340
2 card 6 mana board clear is definitely not the definition of a good combo, but the idea is playing free volcanics out of it
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>>135900797
>tfw been playing for months and vowed not to change my card back until I get the legend back
i'll never reach legend
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>>135901328
Midrange paladin wins like 85% of the time.
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>>135901792
if you use seeds on a board with a sheep, the sheep doesn't hit anything
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>>135898997
silence druid
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>>135901328
Mill Rogue, not even kidding
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>>135902024

It was patched.
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>>135901807
I'm by no means an expert player, but I also have no problem with beating virtually any other deck from aggroshitters to control priests (to a certain degree, of course)
against CW, I have a 10% winrate at best, that's why I am being buttblasted fampai
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>>135902024
Yes it does.
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I've got a radical idea for a brawl:
All cards can be used regardless of class.
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>>135901824
low energy reno decks aren't a favorite but any pro active deck that just plays minions on curve and any paladin deck in the world is a big fav against wallet war
the deck aged pretty poorly. the popularity of paladin inst helping either.
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>>135902024
>Being this out of the loop
wew lad
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Anyone else disappointed at no Old God reveal? Also surprised Priest Lego isn't Benedictus. Maybe he won't be in the game this expac?

What do we think about Volazj and Infected Tauren? And did they say they'd start the 'choose one' reveal system yet?
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>>135902152
interesting. last time I tried it was a long time ago, so figures
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Hey guys! I found out what the nerfs for Force of Nature and Savage Roar are.

Force of Nature
>6 Mana
>Summon 2 2/2 Treants with Charge

Savage Roar
>4 Mana
>Effect Unchanged
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>>135900180

>Run 1
>Hes at the bottom of dick every time

Not like 2 in hand is a big deal when you pull one out with void caller anyway though
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>>135902339
literally just as viable
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>>135902242
Lauren isn't as bad as people think. It's about as good as senjin against aggro decks. It's pretty bad against anything else though.
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>>135901328

Paladin because they can spam infinite dudes. And infinite dudes > infinite armour

Rogues can burst warriors down before they become too big
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>>135902078
thanks. I can imagine mill rogue burning through their decks in no time, must be glorious. a shame I don't really have the essentials for that build

>>135902008
thank you
do you mean midrange as in secretdin? or the quartermaster-rag version?
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You know, rather than comparing the Priest legendary to Faceless Manipulator, I think it should be seen as a bigger Raptor that not only works with Deathrattles but also things like divine shield and end of turn effects.
If you have even one of those things on the board when your turn 6 comes, Volazj is pretty good value.
He also has the added versatility of being useful very late in the game in control versus control matchups to duplicate Ysera, Rag & co.
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>>135902503

It's funny because people are hitting rank 1 and playing tourneys with 0 Doomguards but typical 8-months-behind-the-meta-/hsg/ is devout in playing them.
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>>135902813

Latter

Although rag can go in secretdin quite easily too
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>>135902813
Chow, minibot, muster, shredder, qm, sylvanas, boom, tirion. It goes something like that.
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>>135902339

you could have at least tried
savage roar should be 5 mana or 6 +3 attack
FoN is definitely not the card that needs the nerf
If it does then just make it 4 1/1 treants or something
or 4 mana 2 2/2 treants
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>>135902339
Just make FoN have 2 3/4 treants without charge and savage roar give your minions +1 attack permanently desu
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>>135902242

the choose one thing will start tomorrow when the website launches.
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>>135902862

What do you sub them out for?
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>>135902339
>>135902549
>FoN unchanged

Savage Roar
>2 mana
>costs one more for each friendly minion on the board

so they'd need at least an innervate to activate it with FoN, but would pretty well with a general board presence
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>>135902835
His effect really is great. Not to mention the 5/5 body being far from terrible. The card is going to be a staple.
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>>135902862
Go on then what do you think the "current" meta is
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>>135902242

Volazj is a good card. If Faceless is strong in value matchups, Volazj is just as strong if not situationally stronger.

He leaves a 5/5 body on the board, which makes him good midrange and has the flexibility to pop out at times other than combo

But his lategame control potential is also sugnificant
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>>135903016

I thought roar could have been made minions only. That extra 2 face damage was often a tipping point. So many games are stabilized at 13-14 hp. And if it wasn't enough, you could just nerf it again. But Blizzard would rather sit on their ass than have to make MULTIPLE changes. Might have to do their job too much.
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Would this be viable?
Is 5 an appropriate cost?
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>>135903519
This is actually shit.
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>>135903519
its a terrible card so i approve of it for druids
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>>135903519
I would approve if it was 3 mana
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>>135903519
6 mana 3/3 tiger with stealth, take away for the rest of the game.
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>>135903519

fair but 5 is too important of a turn to give up for that (assuming no innervate shenanigans), wild growth is good because most decks aren't doing shit turn 1/2
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>>135903519

>Druid equips a 1/infinity weapon turn 5

>Enemy drops loatheb

>Druid loses
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>>135903320

It doesn't matter what I think the current meta is. It is a factual statement to say that Nostam just hit rank 1 legend with Zoo that ran 0 Doomguards. It is a factual statement to say that Ostkaka doesn't run Doomguard in his Zoo.
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former legends / 5 & ups

play me and tell me why my shit play won't reach legend

yungexodia#1266
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>>135904035
Balanced for standard :^)
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ask a guy who only plays summoning stone decks anything
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>>135898294
But Amah is beautiful!
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>>135904232
wow, anything?
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>>135904076
So then you're saying a successful zoo does not have doomguards?
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>>135904412

nostam said it was bad and his list without it went #1 last night, I'd take his word for it
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>>135904247
what does flipping it do?
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>>135899797
>aggro rogue with conceal
>shadowflame
Not completely unplayable
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>>135904232
What's your opinion on narwhal hunting in Greenland ?
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>>135904319
no
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>>135904628
Why lie then?
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>>135904587

>assuming a rogue would willingly play this over raptor on turn 3, or SI, or coin pillager, etc

>assuming it doesn't get answered immediately

even if you did play it, and you did get it of safely, it makes one mediocre trade at best
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Hows this for an arena deck lads? I'm at 2-0 so far, predictions?
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>>135904762
>4 imp gang boss
>3 north sea kraken
12-0
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>>135904526
Activates her hero power, she had a passive one.
If that's too small to read, that says she heals herself by 1 and heals a minion by 1 at the start of every turn.
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>>135904890
yeah the north sea krakens have been the winners of the deck so far, nobody expects the third one
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Would you pay $9.99 USD for the future alternate druid hero knowing that in addition to the standard changes an alt hero brings it also changes your hero portrait whenever you use your hero power until the end of your turn?
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>>135904762
That's a damn good aggro deck which is usually tough to draft. Your 4 pimp bosses should carry you to 10+ wins easily.
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>>135905032
i would pay $0.00 for a druid skin
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>>135905032
yes
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>>135905032
The only alt hero I would pay any amount of money for is Tyrande for priest.
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>>135905032
>shapeshift
>your shape doesn't shift

This always bothered me.
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>>135905032

if i was into paying $10 for cosmetic changes that don't affect gameplay, sure why not
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>>135898294

Sunwalkers are a Tauren specific subset of Paladins. All alt art would still be of a cow.
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Liadrin's voice is fucking terrible holy shit. Why did I waste my time getting this garbage?
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>>135905568

shes only useful for the perfect turn 6 Challenger full-tree /Greetings bm.
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>>135905568

>summons Silver Hand Recruits instead of Blood Knight Recruits

fucking triggered jesus christ
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>>135904620
a travesty
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>>135905949
But then what would quartermaster do
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>>135904232

Whats the color of your asshole
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>>135904512
What was his list
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>>135906113

at the very least they could change the token art
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>>135906350
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>>135901328

I'm f2p and I got to rank 9 this season playing warrior if you spent real money on this game I feel fucking sorry for you.
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>>135901328

aggro decks with the nuts, secret pally, and handlock with enough initiative
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>>135907173

I used to when I was a n00b, but I'm definitely not anymore, just gonna farm gold so I can get at least 50 packs when old gods comes out, fuck preorders and the sleeves
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>>135905568
Her French voice is pure sex, feels good man.
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>>135907795
>n00b
>>>/reddit/
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>>135908479

I hope the netspeak police don't come and arrest me Kappa
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>>135904412
Flood Zoo has no reason to run Doomguards. It relies more on Sea Giants as early as possible, with Gormok and/or Enhanco to make use of your large board.
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Best cardback coming trough.
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>>135906113
Change the effect to say
>Give all your Recruits +2/+2
Then use "Recruits" in all future wording.

>inb4 but what about other cards that have the word 'Recruit' in them?

Give the tokens a 'Recruit' tribal tag and be done with it. These changes would take Blizzard all of an hour and make a big difference to a lot of people. Not to mention it would simplify future design for Paladin tokens.
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Anyone else having insanely bad luck in Arena lately? I'm not the best player but I can usually make my money back. But Jesus, these last few times, just bad RNG and terrible enemy topdecks ever game.
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>>135900230

>not Whispers of the Dust Gods

You fucked up.
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>>135905362

I recently replayed WC3, and by God, aint Tyrande a sour BITCH
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>>135909831
>I'm not the best player but I can usually make my money back
these things do not go well together
very few players consistently get 7+ wins
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>>135909637
Email Brode. I'm sure he would be able to appreciate that idea.
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>>135910052
50 gold and a pack could be considered getting your money back.
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>>135910317
ya, but that's only 3+ wins which really isn't much at all so I'd assume he wouldn't mention it unless it's 150 gold+ and a pack
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Anyone have a decent idea/list for something memey with Shaman in this brawl?
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>I'll fight with honor!
Yeah right...
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>>135910052

Unless I can get 12 wins consistently, I don't consider myself good.
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>we still can't click and drag decks around to rearrange them
Why isn't this a thing? I mean it took them this long to add an extra page of deck slots, so this must be impossible...
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>>135909927

>Tyrande, do not free Ilidan.

>FUCK YOU MALFURION, I DO WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT, EVEN KILL MY OWN PEOPLE WHO WERE TASKED WITH GUARDING HIM!
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>>135910731

most pros don't even do this, but averaging 10+ is respectable
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>>135910725
>No one cared who I was til' I put on the secrets...
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>>135910898
I was always wondering, what prompted the name-change from Furion to Malfurion in WC3 and TFT?
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>>135910945
averaging 7 is respectable nigger
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>>135911162
yeah I was always curious about it too, couldn't find any information.
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>>135910945
kek, you have no idea what you're talking about
no pro has a consistent 8+ average

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jck4WkEvaKWE0Iw9RrttLHoFO3KEMG6In6XS1okzmx4/edit?usp=sharing
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>>135901328

fatigue druid.
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>Blizzard will push Taunt Warrior this expansion
>Deathrattle/Control rogue
>Control Hunter
>Beast Druid
>Totem Shaman
FUCKING STOP WITH THE MEMES
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>>135911596
>still not pushing demolock

end my life
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>he takes more than 10 seconds to make the first move
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>>135900425
>dusty old gods full of green dust

https://youtu.be/h-suhRCpfME
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>>135909831
Use heartharena:
http://www.heartharena.com/profile/rag2008
I used to average 2~3 wins.
Now I get 5+ very frequently.
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>>135911821
>make move in about 10 seconds
>let timer run down just to piss off opponent instead of ending turn
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>>135911596
>blizzard makes steamweedle sniper in GvG
>Oh cool, maybe this will create a new hunter archetype
>It doesn't, control hunter is shit
>Blizzard keeps making control hunter cards every single fucking expansion and control hunter never takes off
HOLY SHIT BLIZZARD GIVE UP, YOU CAN MAKE SOME REAL HUNTER CARDS NOW
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Oh hey, there's a Naiman clip in Trolden 87, February 2015.
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>>135913152
>wanting more hunter cards tailor-fit for face hunter
>after Glaivezooka and Quickshot
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>expansion still at least a month away and that's the best case scenario
just fucking kill me senpai
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fuck im just gonna forfeit if the game doesn't go my way immediately. no time for this shit
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I keep playing against some all secret mage meme deck with kirin tor mages, illuminators, etc. It sucks ass but I keep playing against it like 2/3 games. What streamer caused this?
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>>135914494
faggot autist retard
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>>135914664
kibler
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>>135914880
that would explain it.
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>>135914792
but anon, this is the correct way to play
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>>135913346

literally who
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>playing warrior on ladder.

>coin justicar turn 5.

>"I give up"

I think I might have triggered someone.
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I came for the Paladin but I think I might stay past level 20. WoW is a nice game to cool off with after losing a game of Hearthstone you should have won.
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>>135915486
known cheater who got 1st place at the europe qualifier yesterday
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>>135915613
i'm downloading WoW now and this screenshot makes me not want to play, holy shit this game is ugly
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Post class cards that are shit/useless with their current class but would be disgustingly overpowered in another class

Webm related would be terrifying in tempo mage
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>>135915836
It's ugly as fuck, no doubt but it is running on an engine from 2004.
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>>135915613
If there's one thing I like about WoW is that it's big.
You can spend hours walking through the zones and they feel as big as a real place, with slow transitions between biomes
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RATE ME SENPAITACHI
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>>135915862
That fucking card and Explorer's hat. We need card like pic related to make those two even remotely viable.
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>>135916480
overpowered and doesn't make sense.
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>>135916480
awful man, might be okay if it had stealth
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>>135916480
High risk high reward : the card.
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>3 mana for a free Faceless Manipulator
Why is Mage such a Mary Sue class?
They have overstated everything with no drawbacks whereas other classes the only complaints you hear are
>muh cheap Warriror removal
>muh Priest stealing everything
>muh Paladin minions
Mage is the only one not getting fucked somehow in Standard
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RATE ME AGAIN FAMLEE
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>>135916849

>faceless manipulating a 1/1

just play around it, nerd
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>>135916967
Work on your wording
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>4 mines for lethal.

I'm going to miss this sucker. He is hilarious.
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am I missing something or is corrupted healbot completely useless shit
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>>135916967
>Inspire:
stopped reading
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>>135905448
>cows
>horde niggers
>Paladins

Not back in my day.
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shadowverse>memestone
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>>135898789
but you still win here anyway whats your point
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>>135917165
He's pretty much Zombie Chow's big brother with less overstating.
If he was a 6/7 then he could be better. Right now he's a +1/+0 Piss Fighter with situational Auchenai synergy
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>>135916967
think to yourself, would this really be OP if it just said "inspire, heal your hero for four health"
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>>135917339
>he fell for the shilling streams
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>>135917661
literally better than memestone, try to defend memestone

its a meme
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>>135915862

You could pull off OTKs with Gahz'rilla if it was a warrior card
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>>135917810
You have like 28 damage already with Worgen
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>>135916517
Explorer's hat is aight, I've had good success with it
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>>135916849

mirror entity is a pain but it's generally overpowered only when it's cheated out by mad scientist

otherwise, if you play anything lower value than a vanilla 3-drop they're losing out on a lot of value. Granted, they still get tempo up on you since the creature is summoned on your turn, so they'll usually get first attack. That just makes it a generally decent card, as class cards are supposed to be.

Also, you forgot that mages by definition are supposed to be the guys that have an answer to everything. That's kind of their thing. They don't particularly excel at anything. Tempo mage was fucking busted though.
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>>135916849

>mfw I proc an obvious mirror entity with chow or darnassus aspirant
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r-rate
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>>135917883
How the fuck do you count to 28? 2 rampage, 1 inner rage, charge?
why not just count 1 rampage 1 taskmaster 2 inner rage charge for 30 desu
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>>135918478
POWER CREEP CANCER AF
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>>135918478

>0/0 token

dumb weeb poster/10
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>>135918478
might be interesting with stormwind champion, but i don't see any value beyond that since 0/0's would instantly die
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>>135918813
crap, should've been 0/1
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>>135918545
It was like an estimate, I dont know the numbers
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we postin shitty oc now?
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How many wins, guys?
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>>135919083
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>>135919554

please tell me there is a Ra and Obelisk version like these
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>>135919554
>AN ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENS
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>>135919083
Fine, geez.
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>>135902193
In their current state, some class-specific cards interact in such a way that makes the game unplayable/broken beyond the gayest cowboy mountain fantasies.

Some gems:
>Mal'Ganis+MoD or conceal from rogue
>Preparation + Mage spells
>Druid ramping abilities in rogue, innervate in miracle rogue
>Sap in hunter
>Warrior getting priest entomb, shadow words, and other priest removals
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Why does coin count as a spell? Who thought that was a good idea?
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>>135919948
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>>135920295
That's one of the few things this game does right you idiot
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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
unable to reconnect
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>>135920376
Tempo-mage and rogue are the only classes who get an advantage from that, how is that a good idea?
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>>135919554
>flavor text in the card
Disgusting desu
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>>135920538
boombots may explode
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Let's talk about Windfury minions. Are they any good? What non-shaman decks can you make out of them?
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>>135920676
alakir is good, that it
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>>135920676
The 3/2 mech and Alakir are the only good one's I'm pretty sure.
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>>135918337
Bruh, doom sayer is way more fun.
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>>135920538
>doesn't even MtG
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>>135920394
>mobile
>preorder cardback
kill yourself desu
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>>135921374
already planning on it :^)
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get yer fun and wacky stories here
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>>135921597
report him; that'll really rile him up lmao
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>>135921520
>card-tracker

Kill thineself.
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>>135921867
>Telling people to commit suicide because they use software in a casual card game that has been approved for use by Blizzard and is in the OP of the thread he's posting in.
Reevaluate thine-self.
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>>135921520
>mage and paladin abilities on a rogue
nice shop
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>That new Priest Legendary

The wording seems a bit weird. Does it mean every friendly minion on the field? Every minion in your hand? Or every minion in your deck until the board is full?
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>>135922148
muh brawls
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>>135922148
U-umm...I think it's Tavern Brawl, senpai. As one should be able to infer from the 0 cost spells of different classes in hand and the hilarity on board.
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>>135921436
take me with you
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>>135922396
even if it wasn't brawl, the rogue can achieve those things by having finley and using burgle
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>>135922074
>b-but it's not illegal

Fuck off, mate. You're having the game play itself with that shit. I bet you play secret pally on ladder.
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>>135922964
Actually I play aggro shaman.
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>>135922318
>Twisting Nether wording seems a bit weird. Does it mean every friendly minion on the field? Every minion in your hand? Or every minion in your deck until your deck is empty?
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>>135922318
When a card references "Your minions" it means the ones on the board. If it says "In your hand" it means in your hand.

Hearthstone card text never references the board directly.

Personally I think it's pretty bad. The effect should be "When you play a minion summon a 1/1 copy of it". That would be more powerful and allow for it to be used as a comeback mechanic rather than a 'win more' mechanic as it is now.
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>>135922759
>using finley in rogue
>using burgle, aka bad thoughtsteal
Fucking casual
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>>135922964
How exactly does a deck tracker cause the game to "play itself"? I don't know about you, mate, but I don't play snarfstone to placate my dreams of being a card counter in a blackjack casino, I'm just trying to play fun decks and see how the interactions play out with other people. Plus it tracks my win rates and lets me store revisions of my decks and automatically import/export them. Even in and out of brawl.

Stop trying to control how people have fun dipshit.
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WORST BM YOUVE RECALLED OF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD


GO
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>>135923501
>I'm just trying to play fun decks

Then why do you need a tryhard cardcounting app?
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>>135923207
I think it's okay where it's at.
>Brann
>Herald
>quadruple battlecry
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>>135923559
swung alextrasza into a lethal explosive trap instead of using burn because I thought i already tested for it :/
never bmed again lmao
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>>135923778
Bran makes Battlecry trigger TWICE. It doesn't matter how many Brans you have, your battlecries will always trigger TWICE. Bran has zero synergy with this card (beyond allowing you to summon 2 1/1s instead of 1 1/1 but then the main point of the effect is to duplicate a minion with an actually useful board effect that does stack.
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This guy is about to be real mad.
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>>135923559
i bm pretty hard almost every game

i just played an anyfin pally and counterspelled his first anyfin

his second didn't kill me and i had lethal in hand but i just flamestriked it and cleared it instead

then i started fireballing my own minions and shit while he fruitlessly tried to kill me and died to his own fatigue

he never even popped my block

i only did it because he doomsayered a turn one zombie chow t b h, anytime i see misplays that bad i just can't help but make them feel as bad as they played and make them realize the cards are carrying them and they aren't good players
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>>135919128
You currently have two wins.
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>>135924041
no he isn't druid shitter

no one gets mad losing to combo anymore, we just ask why nerds keep playing that boring ass deck
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>>135923207

It does sometimes. They call it "the battlefield*
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>>135923721
All of the reasons literally spelled out in the post that you're responding to. I casually play this game on my second monitor like two hours a day, I'm not trying to memorize every card played. If this game wasn't dogshit it would let you access turn history over the last six plays, anyway. It makes no difference. Go back to MTG if you want a traditional trading card game. Computer programs are going to have extensions that simplify them for people that want to use said extensions, it's not any less fair than a pen and paper, it's just less effort.
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>>135924273

its obviously arena retard
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>>135924273
it's arena you fucking mouthbreather I'm not even him but holy shit how stupid could you fucking by holy fuck
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>>135924273
Druid in topdeck mode who keeps going face no matter what and then dying at 14HP at exact lethal because he topdecked either FoN + SR and already had one part of the combo in his hand gets me pretty riled up, anon.
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>>135924273
Bruh, it's arena.
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>>135898789
b8?
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>>135924273
youre the reason blizzard thinks its playerbase is retarded
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>>135924354
If you can write down every card you've played, every card your opponent has played, calculate draw probabilities for both players and do all that WHILE playing Hearthstone without roping I would be very surprised.
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>>135924412
>>135924417
take it easy nerds i thought it was casual mode
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>>135924562
git gud
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>>135924562

Not to mention what turn your opponent got each card in his hand and if it was mulliganed or not which is some of the most advantageous info a tracker gives you
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>mage arena
>no flamestrikes, fireballs, blizzards or polymorphs

help me.
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>>135923559
Shaman hero power when I forgot how much I'd overloaded last turn.
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>>135924621
yes, thats the point, youre retarded for thinking that
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>warlock infinite draws power
Imbalanced. Other hero powers are nowhere near that good. Not to mention locks have some of the best class cards.
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Post brawl fun
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>>135924562
>Write down every card you've played.
Easy. Especially if you want to print out some deck sheets beforehand, a common practice in other card games that no one complains about.

>Every card your opponent has played.
Easy.

>Calculate draw probabilities.
"If he has 20 cards and 2 of this card left he has a 2/20 chance of drawing it."
Supr hard math. Who gives a fuck about draw probability anyway? No one uses that shit.

>Without roping.
Maybe not but hey all the more reason to fucking automate it you dolt. No one is impressed by your ability to memorize things that have happened in the last five minutes.
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>>135925072
>locks have some of the best class cards
It's actually the complete opposite senpai.
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>>135925072
>Locks have some of the best class cards

They have the worst class cards BECAUSE of their Hero Power.

e.g
Dark bomb deals 3 Damage
Frost Bolt deals 3 Damage + Freeze
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>>135925072
>Warlock
>Best class cards
Fucking never. Are you high or what?
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>>135925231
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>>135925397
>Imp Gang Boss
>implosion
>Shadowflame
>Jaraxxus
>Peddler
>Power Overwhelming
>Doomguard
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My mage opponent just played Doomsayer, gave it taunt and then played 2 more minions while I had 1 minion on board. That was in the 8-1 bracket (if brackets even exist in arena, I dont know).
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>>135925913
>Let me just name out some random class cards
>Yeah that'll show 'em!
You know the other 8 classes have class cards too, anon?
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>>135925231
>practically free powerful minion summons
>mage/priest-like spells
Man playing a lock sure does suck
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>>135925998
Name a better AOE than Shadowflame
Name a better 2-drop than Peddler
Name a better 3-drop than IGB
Name a better class legendary than Jaraxxus
Name better single-target removals than Implosion/PO
Name a better finisher than Doomguard
pro-tip: you fucking can't
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>>135926345
>let me just nit-pick and cherry-pick :)
inb4 found the lock player

Every class has their pros and cons. Focusing purely on a few pros of one class in a vacuum is the most retarded perspective and attitude to have.
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>>135926345
Are you kidding me lol
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>>135926345
Warlock needs the best cards, since their hero power would be completely useless otherwise.
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>>135915613
Hello Blizz marketing department
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DUUUUHHHH!!! I LOVE HEARTHSTONE BECAUSE EVEN A FUCKING RETARD LIKE ME CAN WIN AT A GAME LIKE THIS THANKS TO RNG! BLIZZARD IS SO PROGRESSIVE FOR MAKING A GAME THAT RETARDED KIDS WITH AUTISM CAN PLAY XDDDD
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>>135927336
;)
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>>135926345
>only good with shit like moltens
>minibot
>muster for battle
>Antonidas, Tirion
>lol
>le angry trees
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What prevented feign death hunter from becoming more of a thing?
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>>135926345
>Brawl, Lightbomb, Auchenai + Circle, Flamestrike, Wild Pyro + Equality, Poison Seeds + Sheep, etc etc
>That 2/4 Dragon from Priest, Shielded Minibot, Armor smith
>Dark Cultist, Flamewaker
>Not much is better than Jaraxxus, since it's infinite value and supports what Warlocks do nicely. Maybe Tirion or Tony
>SW: P, literally any Warrior removal
>FoN + SR
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>>135926345
I will bait.
>lightbomb, flamestrike, brawl
>minibot
>flamewaker
>tirion
>execute, shield slam
>combo
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>>135927787
it's really inconsistent, coming from a FD hunter memer
sure, you basically auto win if you get turn 8 sylvanas+FD or turn 9 Boom+FD, but you're almost always too behind on board for that to matter
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>>135926345
You just got BTFO, shit-poster anon.
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Does anyone else have freezing problems on Windows 10? I never had any problems with the game until I upgraded, but now it happens often enough to become annoying.

>inb4 Windows 10
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I've been starting to see a lot more of the Poison Seeds + Sheep combo now.

I'm glad, at least it slightly gives Druid a (playable) different playstyle rather than just drop Value minions each turn and finish the game with the combo if you can.
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Why is my boy Curator so fucking good holy shit
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Welp. I knew you shits were massive faggots, but this really rustles my jimmies.
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Is this the 2 drop Priests need?

If Hearthstone ever deters from WoW, I can see an Angel/Waifu Priest deck being viable.
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>>135928791
>getting mad on the internet
desu fampai
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>>135917339
I dont like it. Fearia Looks interesting
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>>135929082
>Hearthstone ever deters from WoW
>Heathstone
>:heroes of warcraft
This isn't heroes of the storm
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>>135929082
this shouldn't be an epic, it feels more like a rare. blizz would probably print this as an epic because shekels, but it should be a rare
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>>135928738
enjoy your 6 mana shredder
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>>135916517
Should be "Your creatures count as spells"
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>>135929295
You mean a 6 Mana 5/4 (+ (1 - 4)/(1 - 4)) that is spread out across two minions and at different turns so you can have safe tempo?
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>>135919128
Apparently 12 wins was correct.
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>>135928403
>Windows 10
Honestly anon, why?
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>>135928403
no problems here on win10
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>>135929082
Priest already has a 2/4 with upside.
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>>135929820
My last computer bricked because the surge protector faulted, and I had the free upgrade so I thought why not (it was older and wasn't worth putting extra time/money into it).

I don't really do much behind the scenes work on computers, so it didn't phase me until I had the problem with HS. Now it'll randomly freeze the computer rarely, but the instant loss (if you can't get back in time because of terrible internet) can make Arena incredibly frustrating.

It's only with HS too, I've played most of the games on my system and none have had any problems.
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>>135929992
Dragon Only*
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>>135930189
>>135930189
The issue is that your computer has a huge virus that has been running rampant lately that only catches inexperienced computer users; it's called Windows 10. I suggest you format your drive and install an OS such as Windows 7 or 8.1
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This didn't need to be a legendary. If it was an epic or a rare I think it might've seen play in dragon priest just to get a 5/5 with some extra 1/1 taunts/spell damage.
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>>135930761
It'll be nice with cheap effect/rattle cards
And if an enemy fails to remove Ysera, give her a little sister
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>>135930761
The effect is totally legendary and you don't want people to be able to run this twice in their decks.
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>>135931085
it could be used with the new Doomsayer. 1/1 into a 7/1 next turn. If we get more "At the start of the turn" or "At the end of the turn" cards, it could be nice. You could do a full deck based on that.
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>>135931306
Because 7/1s are so good.
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>>135930761
Still surprised they didn't use Archbishop Benedictus
Not even sure how the Herald is Priest-related. Maybe just the shadowy-aspect of getting into your mind?
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>>135931361
When you have them? Sure. 7/1 mean 7 damage to the face or killing 95% of minions. An with Deathlord and Belcher gone, the only Taunt that stop a 7/1 is Ironbark.
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>>135926345

>Flamestrike, Equality + Consecration/Wild Pyromancer, Brawl

>Shielded minibot, Snowchugger, Armorsmith, Totem Golem, Wild Growth lel

>Fierce Monkey, Spellslinger, Flamewaker, Aldor peacekeeper, Animal Companion, Dark Cultist, Si;7 Agent, Unearthed Raptor, Tuskarr Totemic

>Antonidas, Tirion, Grommash because the way their respective decks are built they can utilise their legos much better

>Literally polymorph, Flamecannon, Shield Slam, Execute, Hunter's Mark, Deadly Shot, Shadow word D/P, Entomb (like are you even trying), Mind control, HEX

>Any Grom combo, Pyroblast/Freeze shenannigans, FoN/Roar, Oil combo, Anyfin can happen, Doomhammer + Rockbiter


Like I don't think you understand that these classes are better suited to Aggro/Control if you only look at the class cards, and they achieve it in different ways. There is no directly OP class, only OP decks.
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>>135931402
Maybe they will have new "Shadowform" cards?
"Your hero power deal 1 more damage" on a priest card could be cool.
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>>135931595
"This minion gain +2/+2 if you are in Shadowform"
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i figured out herald voljazi play him on a board with twilight elders on it and build up a lot of c'thun
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>>135930761

The biggest issue with it is that it's a primarily win more card the ideal scenario is either have 3 good minions to copy or Bran + 1 minion.

That being said if you can get rag or ysera to stick a turn without being killed or silenced with this and Bran in hand it could be worth the tempo cost (9 mana).

Could work with malygos and thaurissian pretty well though but again getting those minions to stick is the hard thing .
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>>135898997
I had a Ramp druid Deck with all of the cards that had to do with trees in it called "Can't trump the stump" when I first started playing.

It was surprisingly effective up until rank 15 and then it just kind of dipped.

I would Post a pic but the thing is I don't really remember what cards were in it and I DE'd some pretty important components a while ago
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>>135931758

Except that's battlecry and these tokens won't buff C'thun. Maybe a deathrattle buff C'thun is coming and it could work with that.
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>>135931912
twilight elder is the only one that actually does buff cthun without battlecry, do your research
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>>135931912

twilight elder is +1/+1 at the end of the turn
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Any idea how these cards interact for a Priest?
I'm guessing they'd just overwrite each other
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>>135931912
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>>135932023
>>135932059

So it is
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>add guy to talk to him about match
>don't wanna talk to him anymore so lie about going to bed
>don't want him to know I lied so I close hearthstone
what do I do now?
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>>135932061
shadowform overwrites trueheart, but trueheart doesn't overwrite shadowform, nor does she upgrade it to lvl 2 shadowform
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>>135932165
Feel bad about being that much of a social recluse, desu.
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>>135932165
Remove him? It's not like you'll ever meet him in real life.
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>>135932182
Shame, no 2-mana fireball spam
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>>135932165

I dunno, go to bed? That way you didn't lie.
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>>135932182
>nor does she upgrade it to lvl 2 shadowform

BLIZZARD.

It's the little thing likes these that make Hearthstone a neat game. Why is it that Hearthstone, despite being such a popular cash-cow, recieves the lowest detail out of all Blizzard games.

This Reddit post sums it up quite nicely:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/4am3sr/where_is_the_level_of_detail_blizzard_delivers_in/
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Can anyone help me with this game? I've played so many matches. But i've still never reached rank 10. The best i've done is 12 i think... Can anyone like spectate me and maybe point out misplays? Maybe help me design a good deck? ;-;
Jackfrost #1732
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>>135932594
post region
post dick in thread
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>>135932685
Oh, Sorry. US. I kind of figured most people played in us, even ones who arent here
No
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>>135932770
I mean your deck you dingus
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>new player
>want to make good deck
>dont have naxx/gvg
>dont want to buy naxx/gvg because it'll be a waste of money
what kind of decks can i make other than face hunter?
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>>135932982
>2 new posts
dragon preidt
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>>135932982
Classic Control Priest, I suppose.

Has all you need if you don't have that many cards: Removal, AOE, draw mechanics, burst, Mind Control shenanigans

Priest is the best class to use when you're new.
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>>135932982

Mech Mage/Aggro Shaman/Aggro Druid is reasonably cheap, only few epics and maybe a Loatheb but not necessary.
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>>135932982
The wings give more dust for gold than buying packs
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>>135931778
No, it's a combo card.
Either you build your deck to make it good or you don't use it.

It will be used in that OTK priest deck to copy malygos/velen/emperor.
Wether the deck will actually become good or not i cant say.
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>>135932895
Oh. I had totally forgotten you guys call it that. Bleh, my bad. This is what I've tweaked a million times over a long time. It works around like rank 17.
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>>135933112
>Mech Mage
isn't that full of gvg cards?
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>>135932594
Post your deck, if you play a good deck I might spectate you.
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>>135933236
>>135933198
If i knew a good deck i'd play it.
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>>135933293
Well, if you are too lazy to google then helping you is pretty pointless.
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>>135933198
>Only one copy of Pyromancer
>Temple Enforcer

Don't get me wrong, Temple Enforcer is a neat card but you already have enough Late-game as it is, I recommend swapping it out for another Pyro so you can have a better chance against Aggro.

I also recommend swapping out Velen's Chosen for a body (Deathlord, Injured or Dark Cultist) since you don't have many early game minions to use it on, and it will just bait removal that was already going to be used on your big guy if you use it on a big guy.
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>tfw you're 6-1 with a shitty arena deck and you know luck is going to run out soon in the form of getting absolutely btfo twice in a row and it will kill your morale
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>>135933368
I've googled lots of "good" decks. They are either brand new expansion stuff. Or decks that just dont work. I've tried.

>>135933401
Those are good points, Thank you, I'm not very good at building decks at all.
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>>135933198
Doesn't look half bad.
Too much lategame probably which fucks you against aggro. Get rid of temple enforcer and add shadow word pain and a second velens imo, other than that I don't know a lot about the typical control priest.
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>>135933213

Oooooooooooh. You wanna play standard. Well then, gl making a viable deck for a relatively cheap price while only sticking to BRM & LoE (to be fair, you can make some more expensive dragon decks). Miracle Rogue, I guess?
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How can I make this shitty standard face hunter deck better? I don't have many cards.
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>>135933198

I've got some issues. For the most part, it looks good, definitely can take you to rank 15 ish. I'd recommend removing Temple Enforcer & Kodo, you really don't need them since you already have Shrinkmeister/Cabal to deal with most low atk threats, maybe replace them for another Nova/CoH if you have them. I also don't think you'll really need an ironbeak owl, since control decks don't really have to worry about taunts & most deathrattles. Another Northshire/Injured blademaster could be a good replacement.

While I really like the card, I think you'd be much better off using flash heal instead of Holy Fire because Auchenai x2/ CoHx2/FH x1-2 is generally an auto-include in control priest, it'll help you deal with aggro and some midrange better. Since you have Naxx, why not invest in a deathlord so you have a really good Velen's target? Along with Cleric, i mean.
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>>135934040

Remove Houndmaster, Tiger & Highmane and replace with damage stuff. What cards DO you have?
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>check discussion section for herald Volazj on hearthpwn
>a couple of comments calling out for this being win more shit tier card are being lost in a sea of appraisal and kripp tier theorycrafting
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>>135934247
>What cards DO you have?
http://www.hearthpwn.com/members/Paniku/collection

I haven't bought LoE because I haven't needed any cards yet but if there's anything good there I'll buy it
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>>135933198
Shit deck, has no change against zoo or any aggro deck and at the same time has zero chance against freeze mage or control decks. What I would change:
-ysera (so slow)
-rag
-temple enforcer
-dr. boom (wtf is he doing in your control priest deck?)
-1xshrinkmeister
-1xCabal (only good when you combo it with shrinkmeister)
-stampeding kodo (just not good enough)
-thoughtsteal
-shadow word: death (dont need it when you have 2 lightbombs)
-ironbeak owl (completely shit in control priest)

+1 lightbomb (possibly best priest card in the game)
+1 circle of healing
+2 zombie chows
+1 northshire cleric
+2 entomb
+2 light of the naaru
+1 shadow word: pain
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>>135934148
I find 2x CoH tend to be dead. One is hard enough to find a use for. Same with 2 northshires. But i will add a Flash heal. I dont have death lord, And 700 gold for something that will go away very quickly is worthless.
>>135934424
Ysera is good because its slow.
Rag is the whole reason games are winning
I've removed temple enforcer.
Its a big card i can play at good times.
Shrink master works with cabal so
No i need both.
I removed kodo because another anon was right, i have two cabals.
Thoughtsteal is a good way to gain cards and info about the other persons deck.
Shadow word death is a fine card for single removal. Two lightbombs is way too high.
Ironbeak has been removed.

As mentioned above 2 is too much
CoH ends up being dead too often.
Dont have them. Its going away.
Same reason as CoH.
Dont have them, Not wasting gold on Expansions anymore.
Two lights are a bit much. But one will do.
A pain might be useful.
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at what time does the quests update fora given day?
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>>135934424
>-dr. boom (wtf is he doing in your control priest deck?)
Maybe you post-loe neoniggers are sure that the only way to play control is to run 0 proactive cards and stall the game as much as possible wasting everyone's time and being annoyng piece of shit, but us older players remember that true goal of control in every card game is to survive early game then start playing your own big threats.
Boom is fine, so is Rag and you should eat shit for suggesting to remove them.
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>>135934365

See if you can craft another Golem

Save up for a few Quick shots, Argent horserider,

Knife Juggler for UtH combo, replace an arcane shot for an owl

Aside from that if you don't wanna get into Naxx there really isn't too much I think you can get without grinding.
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>>135934796
>asks for advice
>just says "no, I like it like this"

Okay, stay shit anon, I don't care.
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>>135933430

I guess 4 Dread Infernals are enough to carry an otherwise shitty deck.
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>>135934965
I gave a reason for nearly every one. The only ones i didnt give a reason for was cabal. You just named cards that didnt really fit.
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>>135934875
It's 3AM for me in Eastern Australia
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>>135935037
Google a control priest list. Try to find a single one without 2 lightbombs. Stop being stubborn or stay at rank 10.
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>print card that dies to a classic card with the same cost
>print another terrible priest lego, that needs to have board control & specific cards on the board
>take away the best board control spell

Why Ben? Why must you hurt us this way?
Dust Tournament at least had "fun" trash cards.
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>>135934796

You know if you added a blade master, ALL OF A SUDDEN you CoH just turned into a turn 3 god play. Also, what do you plan on using as a draw engine without clerics? you only have 1, and the 3 draws from PW:S + 1 Drake isn't going to be enough.

Sometimes CoH CAN be a dead draw for a few turns sure, but the potential of a sick 4+ Northsire draw or a turn 4 Flamestrike is really worth it.


While I'm at it:

>Deathlord

>Dying in one turn

I guess he can be executed/Hexed/Polymorphed, but in control Priest you want that. you WANT them to use their removals/silences on him so you can just AoE them afterwards and slap your big dudes down with few worries. If they don't you'll just never let him die with Power words, Velens, hero power. Deathlord is super good in control priest mang.
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>>135934796
>never got past rank 12
>shits on everyone else's advice that he asked for like a true shitter
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>>135935336
Worth noting that the "Slime" mentioned is the 2/2 Slime that get's summoned by that one Naxx Adventure enemy hero power (The one that does 1 damage to everything then summons a 2/2 Slime for each enemy killed).

Blizzard are reusing tokens because they're lazy fucks and they can now that they're removing the Naxx adventure.
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>>135934796
You can craft Naxx cards now, so no excuse for not having zombie chows.
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>>135935345
I mean he will go away in standard. I know he is good.
I dont know, i've tried that before, they just seem so dead. They never really serve much of a purpose. Or are just bad enough you dont want to play it. And this thing doesnt play a lot of cards. We dont need draw.
>>135935481
These just dont make sense. If they gave me a proper reason. I'd understand. They're doing the same thing they're accusing me of doing.
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>>135935573
>These just dont make sense
that doesn't say much coming from a guy who never made it to rank 10.
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>>135935662
Point out some cards that are really good that I denied. Then give me a proper reason why I should play it over other cards.
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>>135935336
>Trades evenly with Harvest Golem in a vacuum, a 3 cost classic card.
>Trades evenly with Yeti all the time, in or out of a vacuum

BUT IT'S OKAY GUYS! HALF OF IT HAS TAUNT SO IT'S BETTER THAN YETI!

Fucking hell, I mean if only the Slime also had taunt then I could accept it, it would be like a mini Sludge Belcher and god knows Hearthstone is going to be lacking in good early and mid game control focused minions. This though, this is a Yeti AT BEST and get's silenced into a 2 drop at worst.
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>>135935573
I gave you a reason you dumb nigger. Your deck has zero chance against aggro decks (no 1 drops, 1 circle, 1 nova, no shadow-word: pain), against secret paladin (because you only play 1 lightbomb like some shitter) and against freeze mage (because you have no heal-spells besides holy fire). Your deck is shit, you just put lots of legendaries in it and think its good.
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>>135923559

I only ever BM against face hunter, secret paladin and face shaman, and the rudest I've ever been is healing them at the end of each turn until they get the point and concede
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>>135926345
>Name a better 2-drop than Peddler
You are just shit posting now.
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>>135935573

1. No one asked for your advice, you asked here for tips.

2. Just trust me, you're gonna need it if you're opting out of Naxx. Deathlord can be very easily replaced by Blademaster. At his worst he's a 5 mana Yeti that can be executed off the bat, but at his best he's a favourable trading machine. It's also why CoH is good in control priest; it's versatile. You can save an Auchenai + CoH long after turn 4 and still get great value out of it, same goes for Northshire. you already have a Lightbomb and 2 novas so you can just use it to keep 1 minion alive if you really want to.

I recommended it because it gives your deck flexibility. Control Priest is combo-reliant by nature, if you add more synergy at the trade off of a little consistency, you have the potential of winning harder in more matches.
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>>135935776
It's pretty much a worse Tazdingo, I really hope this isn't Blizz's answer to anti aggro tools leaving.

Time to level rogue for that golden shieldmasta I guess.
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>>135935741
Not that guy, buy his suggestions c follow suit of a steal priest archtype. You control the board, keeping yourself safe from low cost minions and zoo decks, while sitting back waiting for them to drop their big threats. When they do, you simply entomb or mindcontrol them, and then proceed to finish off thier now weakened, husk of a deck.
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>>135936037
PW:Shield + this guys easy value
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>>135936037
>5/0
>instantly dies
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>>135936037
Its dead the second it hits the board.
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>>135936025
I want a 3 mana 2/4 with divine shield and taunt.

Just something, anything to reliably hold back the turn 1-4 tide of low cost minions that aggro decks drop all the time.
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>>135936037
>>135936140
it dies the second it's dropped on the board unless you have stormwind champion on the board.
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>3 different priests consistently pull out my elise with their deathlord
i fucking hate this matchup i'm so glad deathlords gone in standard
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>>135926345

>name a better finisher than Doomguard

Once again. Rank 1 legends and tournament players are completely cutting Doomguard. You are shit.
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>>135936195
Not with Sword of the divine.
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>>135935776
that doesn't trade evenly into a yeti at all
the yeti would still have 1 hp left
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>>135936225
>not having old blood imp on board at all times
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>>135935825
One drops tend to be dead in priest decks, you cant heal them properly. And in the late game they are trash, which is the whole point of this deck is to be late. I've explained why two circles tend to be dead. Two novas aswell. I've ran two novas for a long time and i've only really ever needed one. And i added pain.
And i never said my deck was good, i said its what i play. And its not because of the legendaries. it just so happens most lategame minions tend to be legendaries.
>>135935990
Alright. I'll add a second CoH, Maybe i've just had bad luck with it Sorry, its late and im a bit grumpy i keep losing.
>>135936086
If i had entomb i'd play it. its just i dont have it.
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>>135936267
I want yeti to be viable again.
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>>135936225
Thank god at least one person saw Champion in the name and thought "hey, maybe you're supposed to play this with Stormwind Champion"
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>>135936363
I didn't even read the name. I just looked at the stats. It's a stupid idea.
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>>135936335
>1 drops are trash in late
Genius commentary from a rank 17 retard. Put more 9 drops in your deck, enjoy getting your ass rammed by zoo-lock, tempo-mage and face-hunter.
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>getting a tavern brawl quest with two hours left in the brawl

god damn it. This brawl sucks too, it's just "who draws flamewaker first"
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i made it rank 14 totally ftp.

i hate playing aggro decks. I wish i could afford wallet warrior or control priest
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>>135936498
There is only one 9 drop in this deck. And how will any one drop help me here? Besides zombie chow, most of them are centered towards aggro, so i dont see any point to playing them in control
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>>135936637
>besides zombie chow
who gives a shit? I specifically said zombie chow. It helps you win matches against aggro decks. You need to survive until you can drop your ragnaros (who is shit in the current meta) or ysera (who is also way too slow in a deck that has no way to control the board because its curve starts at 4).
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>>135936601
>i'm f2p btw xD
even reddit is tired of you faggots
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>>135936834
Considering its going away, it doesnt seem like it has much use.
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>>135936957
If they just nerf boom and shredder wild will be better than standard.
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>
What did he mean by thi$?
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>>135937014
Im going to be playing standard however. Wild will be way too much nonsense.
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hue
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After taking all suggestions into careful consideration, this is what happened. I'm not sure what to make of it. I might just run about 10 test games to see how well it performs
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>>135936363
that's a fucking hilariously retarded card cognrats anon never make a card again
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>>135937225
Nope, I live to make you guys mad.
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Broken, or fun and viable?
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>>135937281
better statline and effect than spelleater, which is fine
Blizzard wouldn't do it though because forced actions like discard mechanics are frowned upon and this treads a little close.
They don't even like Taunt for that reason.
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>>135936037
Did someone say shitty OC?
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>>135937097
>people still think hearthstone didn't need formats
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>>135937281
>Play this in Shaman, shit on everybody by giving them your shitty hero power
>Play this as any class other than Rogue, shit on Rogues by taking away their weapon so they can't buff it

Fun/10
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>>135937484
6/6 for 5
I like it
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>>135937437
Yeah that was kind of the first thing I thought of while making this; CTRL Warrior and Jaraxxus-transformed Warlocks being really butthurt after losing their Hero Powers. Maybe if it was temporary it wouldn't be so bad in those scenarios and we could finally get good disruption mechanics
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>make 1-0 mana deck for quest
>those faggots try hard anyway and dont let me finish
fuckin cancerous bastards
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>>135937281
Fun mechanic, will never be implemented because hearthstone-players are babies who dont want to interact with the enemy.
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>there are no hackers lmao XD
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>>135938121
Beautiful.
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>>135938121
what the fuck is this even supposed to mean
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>the fat fuck brode will never make it to be able to complete quests in coop mode
LE XD WOULD BE2HARD4PLAYERS
just imagine every 3 days to log in for the quests and bye
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>>135938121
you cannot be serious with that deck. Any warrior will eat you up.
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>>135938121
I don't get it.
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>>135938361
>>135938335
>>135938170
>>135938161
>he doesnt have a packet editor to replace cards
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I heard there's like a 50% chance of getting a 2 of card if you hard mulligan for it
What about getting 1 of 4 weapons?
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>>135938484
50%. You either get it or you don't
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>>135938484
I heard there is top legend CW player who instantly concedes if he doesn't get win axe in opening hand. I suggest you do the same.
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>>135938478
Buddy, there was a removal Warrior running Explosive Sheep in one of the tourneys recently
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Hot OC delivering the truth.
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>>135938821
one day you will play a game and it will be too late
im not your buddy, friend
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>>135938874
>it will be too late
For what..?
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>queue into warlock
>never know wether its zoo or reno/hand-lock
>reno's first 4 turns are literally the same as zoo

I fucking hate warlocks so much, you never know what you're even fighting.
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>>135938478
i mean you'd just get revenge'd anyway..
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THEY MAKE A ICECROWN CITADEL ADVENTURE
IN THE FINAL WING YOU PLAY AGAINST THE LICH KINGS
HE FREEZES THE SCREEN AND THIS STARTS PLAYING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0dr6H2N02I
AFTER DEFEATING HIM YOU UNLOCK THE DEATH KNIGHT CLASS
DEATH KNIGHT WILL BE PART OF STANDART
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>>135939005
I refer you to the above shitty OC.
>>135938847
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>only an hour to complete brawl quest

good brawl
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i know a common class card that leaked for dk
>death and decay
>5 mana
>deal 2 damage to enemy minions this turn, and the next
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Did the general playerbase get a lot better in the past month or two for some reason? I always go up to at least rank 5 just for the gold epic but this season I'm basically breaking even at rank 10. Not even hitting all druids/pally's either, I'm hitting a huge variety of control decks and creative stuff.
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>>135939005
I'm pretty sure they'd get a fair amount of complaints about Death Knight only being available to people who own the adventure. Locking off an entire class seems a bit unfair to people who can't buy it.

It would make more sense if they made the class available to everyone when the expansion launched but most of it's starting class cards were locked behind the Adventure, which could offer both regular reward cards like every other adventure plus 1 Death Knight class card per encounter (4 wings times 4 encounters = 16 class cards, with an additional 4 class cards offered for beating the Death Knight class challenge). The only Death Knight class cards you could get without the adventure would be through leveling up (basic cards). This would allow them to use the adventure to catch the Death Knight class up to the other classes in terms of available class cards. Then they could move a number of those class cards into the Classic set so they don't rotate out (otherwise Death Knight would constantly lose all it's class cards every year).
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dk will be the first class having a legendary weapon, frostmourne ofc
gets 1 durability for each minion that died on your board and 1 atack for each on the oposite board
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>>135939464
>a bit unfair to people who can't buy it.
they gonna grind for it then, and every fuckin blizzdrone will defend it
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>>135939442
Probably a lot of players coming back into ranked after WoG and Standard being announced who were either low 10s to Legend before going on break.

Reminds me of when LoE came out and everyone had a bunch of cool decks
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>>135939442
Ranked got a lot tougher after the rewards for hitting rank 5 were introduced. Just keep playing, I was stuck at rank 10 for a few days.
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>>135902052
tried this, actually does well vs freeze mage since you can silence through a freeze too
beat a couple face hunters too
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OK /hsg/, what're some of your favorite adventure battles?

I'm going through heroic naxx and I had some fun with heroic patchwork.
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>>135939005
Is WotLK the most overrated and overhyped expansion of all time?
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>>135940236
You meant WoD
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>>135940340
No I clearly meant WotLK, fag.
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>>135940045
Patchwerk is definitely fun just because of how simple it is yet still hard.

Lord Victor Nefarious on Heroic stands out in my mind for how hard it is. Especially playing the first time when they give you one Ragnaros card like in normal mode only to pull the rug out from under you and cut off support
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>>135901113
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>this dog stream
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>>135940776
pretty much the only thing watchable on rntbhfam
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>yfw hs is the 2nd most popular game in the world
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>>135940986
dog's been the only watchable stream for a while now.
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>>135924041
youre whats wrong this game
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>>135899849
Seems like an easy way to buff cthun
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>>135941136
Hotform is also great.
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TODAY'S CARDS SUCKED, NEW CARDS WHEN
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>>135939470
Did you forget Ashbringer exists or something.
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>infested tauren
is this an instant include in every deck that had piloted shredder?
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>Turn 10 empty board for me
>Opponent made the mistake of only having 19 life and no taunts
>Doomhammer -> 2x Rockbiter -> Lava Burst
I feel dirty
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>>135941625
No
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>>135941625
No, since it's not Aggressive enough.
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>>135941625
it's just a 2/3, also the slime doesn't have taunt
it's shit
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>>135920174
>Priests with weapons
This gives me a boner for all the wrong reasons.
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>>135941625
4/2 divine shield with k'thun synergy is. Honesly against non-mages it's better than shredder.
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>>135941436
I am up and down on Hotform. I do appreciate how he treats his stream like a running conversation though, best guy at doing that in the world.... of hearthstone.
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>>135925013
>Mage hero power
>Mage neutral minions like water elemental/fallen hero
Help yourself tryhard
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>>135941625
No, since it's a 2/3 and the slime does not have Taunt it's only 4/5 worth of stats spread out over 2 ultimately disappointing minions that gets wrecked by almost ever other 4 drop that isn't complete garbage.

It's not bad, but it's no Shredder (FYI Most of the time Shredder was between 6/6 and 5/5 of stats, at worst 1 more than Tauren and at best 3 more).

Trades average against 2 drops, poorly against 3 drops and terribly against 4 drops. I don't see it getting much play.
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>>135941717
>not getting priest with weapons in normal play
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WTB Bolvar, Jailer of the Damned as the new Pally Legendary
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>>135942023
and what would he do
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>>135942051
KILL
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>>135942051
idk but it would make sense to go with the corrupted theme
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I'm going to make Hearthstone great again
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>>135942094
good job, sylvannas becomes garbage
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>>135942094
We have to go back to the roots.
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>>135942094
Sylvanas is literally the most perfectly designed legendary in the game, what the fuck are you doing?
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>>135942094
There's nothing wrong with Sylvanas m8. Even if she steals nothing she still probably made the opponent trade awkwardly
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>>135942051
How about a deathrattle specific entomb with a body.
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>>135942094
That's horribly broken.

It's either garbage because your opponent killed it with a 2/1 or OP as fuck because you traded it into your opponent's 5/5, destroying both and summoning yourself a free 5/5.
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>>135942004
Yeah we all know Entomb tirion well played
I'm talking about that fucking dirty having a fire axe in hand turn 2 shit while having Deaths and tombs in the rafters.
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>>135941436

Hotform is a douche in every sense.
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>>135938962
Reno and handlock tap at least twice in their 4 turns.
Zoolock basically never taps without playing something.
They are much easier to tell apart than freeze faggot and tempo mage with a shitty hand.
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>>135942148
>random
>perfect
You disgust me

>>135942161
The way I've got it though she either steals something or eats removal

>>135942183
>What are weapons and spells?
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>>135942232
Bullshit, every reno/hand-lock I see plays peddler on turn 2 and goblin ringleader on turn 3.
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>>135942364
She's randomness that you can calculate and play around. She encapsulates Hearthstone perfectly.
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>>135942004
Why does anduin look like he's crying
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>>135942461
because he's the worst class and everyone complains hates him
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>>135942370
Yeah and also tempo abusive on turn 1, then a 4/3 Twilight Drake on turn 4.
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>>135942461
Cause he just got dunked on, lol kek xd
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>>135942461
being a priest is eternal suffering
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>>135942364
Right now she can steal something AND eat removal. Also sometimes you want to run your Sylvanas into something to steal something else. There is literally no need to change her at all.
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>>135941032
whats the first ?
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>>135942530
league of legends
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>>135942530
probably DotA
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>>135942461
Because he's the worst hero.
If they actually cared about Warcraft/WoW fans they would have made Vol'jin or Velen the hero but they wanted to push the lore of their new expansions instead.
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>>135942506
Peddler doesn't even make your twilight drake worse, stop being facetious. I mostly meant reno-lock anyway, since nobody plays handlock anymore.
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>>135942441
That's what I'm trying to fix though is the randomness, even if it's "controllable" in most situations it still has the ability to fuck you
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>Rouge plays big combo with Auctioneer
>I end the game on the next turn

So fucking hilarious.
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>>135935008

How the fuck did this shit go 12-1?

Based fucking Dread Infernals.
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>>135942567
Plus he's human so it appeals to casuals
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>>135942598

>aggro shitter wins game vs. deck he's favored against

e b i n ! ! !
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>>135942593
Yeah and sometimes you draw the wrong card which can fuck you up. You're playing a card-game, ffs. There's always randomness involved.
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>>135942590
Renolock has one fucking peddler, one imp gang boss, and a completely different gameplan than zoo. The only reason you don't tap on empty at least once in the first 4 turns as renolock is if you're playing against aggro and you got a great anti-aggro opening hand, but in that specific scenario you will see turn 1 zombie chow.
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>>135942702
If we had deck search mechanics besides like the 3 cards we have now I'd like that though
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>>135942618
>literally plays constructed level zoo deck
>wonders why he wins
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>>135942618
>lots of 1 and 2 drops
>2 dark peddler, 2 darkbomb, 2 imp gang boss
>implosion
>Dark iron dwarf to trade up
>Voidcaller synergy

It truly is a mystery how you got 12 wins
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So whatever happened to Massan? Like a week ago his twitch was banned but it's up now.
Anyone know with proof not just speculation?
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>get winstreaked into meta decks
Why is this allowed?
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>>135920174
>this in hunter
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>>135920174
But if all the classes become broken, doesn't that make none of them broken?
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>trying to grind for hero portrait
>players from opposition killing npcs every time they respawn

Why is this allowed? In fact, why did Blizz even allow this?
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is there honestly a better feeling than turn7 legaling aggro shaman who rolled 3 on crackle?
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>>135932439
>replace your starting hero power
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>>135943204
Play on a pvp server.
You'll more likely avoid them and they can't attack you until you leave your faction's territory, which is after 20.
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>>135943243
>he tossed a coin and lost
wew lad
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>>135943243
If he rolled 4.
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>>135943204
>babies first MMO
adorable
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>>135943540

I don't know, anon. I did play a couple of mmo, but this is the first one where you get to kill quest-giving npcs.
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>>135943794
>someone puts effort into denying tranny gif for faggot class in children's card game
godspeed
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>playing against secret shitter with legend cardback
>turn 6, he plays the predictable challenger
>pop the flare I've been hanging onto since turn 1
>he concedes

There is literally no better feeling.
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>>135920442
lock and load, illidan storm rage, questing adventure, violet teacher
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>>135944605
auctionist druid
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>>135935573
>we don't need draw
>in the deck that needs draw to win possibly more than any other deck

How would that not be crucial in an answer-based deck? Circle of healing and clerics are almost mandatory x2 picks
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GvG was worse than TGT in every aspect and yet people trash TGT and praise the unbalanced powercreed shit.
Fucking retards.
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Boom or geddon for CW?
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>>135944431
>conceding after getting flared
It's still a 6/6 and the opponent is down 2 mana. What a shitter.
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>>135944905
Boom or both.
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>>135944892
They were both bad. One was too good, the other too shit. Look at LoE if you want to see how it should be done.
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>>135944916
Plus the deck is rid of the shit secret cards. Flare is such a shit
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>>135944993
They were both shit. Having Dr. Boom as it's only good card doesn't mean GvG was a good expansion. Naxxramas so far was the best expansion by miles.
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>Opponent has _hs on their name
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>>135945092
>mech decks
>shredder
>healbot
>Kezan
>Fel reaver
>esportal
>echo
>shielded minibot + muster
>velen's, lightbomb, voljin
>oil
>crackle
>darkbomb, implosion, malganis
>shieldmaiden

>Boom is only good card

Naxx was great, but it was an adventure, not an expansion
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>>135945292
Most of card are broken. To me it's shit because game breaking cards turn the game into shit.
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>>135945387
Not gonna argue with that. I just listed useful cards on the current meta.
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>>135945387
>implying boom isn't broken
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>>135909637
>somebody reposts my idea
I only need to get my OC in and I will be done with this game
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>>135945410
Oh okay then
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>>135902052
Deathlord's kind of a waste cause you also remove the taunt, though. Maybe worth Druid of the Claw?
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>get Nat Pagle from Shredder
>Literally doesn't draw a single card the whole game
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>>135945826
Best legendary in the game mate
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>>135926345

>brawl
>fiery war axe
>frothing berserker
>Grommash Hellscream
>slam + execute, shield slam
>raging worgen + charge + inner rage x2 + rampage


NONE ARE STRONGER THEN I!
>>
newfag here will I be able to play this game without purchasing anything?
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Are the ranked percentiles full bullshit? Zeriyah has said they only count the active players (ones who have played a ranked game the current season), but they still sound like absolute bs. Rank5 top 2% when everyone and their mother climbs there for that golden epic? Sure
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>>135945920
Yes, it's a free download.
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>>135945920
define play
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>>135945920
You will rage for free
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>>135945920
Yup just focus on the upcoming standard format and you'll be fine. And if you're fine with playing subpar decks / only arena for a couple of months to get started.
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>>135945920

its pay to have fun
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>>135936225

or you played mist caller at some point
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>>135945920

yeah you can enjoy it without purchasing, but you'll soon realize that everyone will be laying on the pain thick since they will have better cards than you.

You can have to spend money, but in the end, spending 20$ every blue-moon is worth it
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>>135945920
Start now ,save 700 gold, buy the first part of the Naxxramas adventure

then do what fucking ever
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>>135946281
Naxx is skippable. Wild won't be a realistic option for new players, so keeping it purchasable with that 700 gold is wasting 700 gold.
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>>135943204
I bet this is crossroads right?
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>>135945920

don't open any packs until you think you've really got the game down. save all your packs until then

the more packs you open and the better cards you use the game will match you with higher skilled/better equipped opponents

i have an account where i only do arena runs and have never opened a pack

all my heros are over level 20 and i still only get matched up against other people with basic decks
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>>135946575
>an account where I only do arena runs
I think that's the reason you get matched up with newbs. You haven't played any constructed so your mmr is low.
Unless you can prove that pack-related bullshit
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>>135946759

i run most to all of my daily quest in constructed. i get matched to other basic decks even up to rank 15

my total wins are around 300 and my arena wins is still under 100

i've never seen anyone with more then 2 legos in a deck and most are just a hodge podge of random commons and rares but mostly basic cards

it's actually much more fun then playing on my regular account. it's not just net deck after net deck and people play fun stuff like tinkmaster and blingtron just because they're the only legos people have
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>>135936363
>waiting until turn 8 to make a 3 drop viable, including hoping for the opponent not to remove stormwind champion as soon as it hits the board
very useful card indeed
>>
First legendary I get since ages
Classic
Place your bets boiis
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>>135947925
sylvannas
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>>135947231
>In Ranked mode, we use only one piece of information to matchmake you, and that is your rank. We pair you with the person with the closest rank we can find in the amount of time we have, and that’s it.
- 4Head
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I liek making concept decks. This one is without spells. What you guys think
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>>135947925
I can wait and fish all day
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>>135947925
Hogger
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>>135948064
brawl/10
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>>135947925
I bring life and BWAUUGHH
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>>135947925
Yay.
Fuck this game really
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>>135947970

hard to imagine i've just been lucky enough to make it to rank 15 3 months in a row with an all basic rouge/mage deck and never once seen a secret pally
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>>135948165

then again it is on the Asian server and those fuckin chinks play like trash
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>>135948163
Could have been worse, dog. Just play some jank-ass dragon deck with her instead of Ysera.
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>>135911435
I didn't realise Kripp was actually good at HS.
I know he's better at Arena that constructed, but I didn't realise he was actually top 5.
Also Merps average 9.5 with rogue!
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>>135948125
I don't play them all at once
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Why do they always have a fucking owl whenever I play aspirant, what the hell can I even do after I lose a mana crystal it's pretty much over. This is so stupid.
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>>135948163
Why isn't Ony played in some meme versions of combo druid?
If the enemy doesn't have AoE in hand then savage roar ends the game next turn.
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>>135948775
Atleast they didnt mirror entity her, would have been worse.
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>>135948350
*tavern brawl/10
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Jesus fucking Christmas, Aggro is so fucking boring to play. You'd think it wouldn't be that bad, since the games are quick, but there are no decisions to be made. Feels like grinding your balls off in a bad MMO.
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>>135948349
>Cold hard evidence that Rogue is the best arena class

Thank you, anon.
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>>135948775
Just silence the owl, remove the silence.
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>>135948775
This, also why do rogue always has sap when I play reno
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>>135911435
pretty cool spreadsheet but holy shit this guy has no life
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>>135911435
>hunter is now in last place because warrior got strong arena commons in LoE

how sad
>>
I just went 1-3 with two legendaries and a perfect curve. Just end me now.
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I'm looking at new warrior decks after being out of the game for a long time

Can Elise Warrior be consistent or is it a meme deck
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>>135949240
show deck
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Just beat some Priest with Rogue and emoted so hard I was kicked and couldn't add him. His name as Jimmies Rustled. If you're reading this, friend, I will be your death.
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>>135949375
You must be feeling really great about yourself now.
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>>135949295
Nah, but it had Kel thuzad, Foe Reaper 4000, 2 Truesilver champion, muster for battle, 1 keeper of uldaman, azure drake, etc.
I lost because for example last game I mulliganed 3 five-drops and my only play until turn 5 was a shielded mini-bot, even though I had like 6 2-drops and 5 3-drops.
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What are the best cards from tgt? Already have twilights, justicar, mc. What else js good in that set? Wondering if i overlooked anything
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>>135949701
mysterious challenger
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>>135949629
Do I need to say anything? Stop wasting your gold on arena.
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Remember when all the "pros" were dumping on this card? What happened?
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>>135949717
Just earlier today I had a 12-win run though, so it balances out.
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>>135949375

you must lose a lot of games if when you finally win one you spam emots
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>>135949629
nothing it's a shit set just like OG 4Head
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>>135949753
They buffed it.
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>>135949715
>already have...mc.
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>>135949753
They like calling everything a win more card, it's all just a huge meme.
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>>135949701

darnassus aspirant and living roots are auto includes in almost all druid decks
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>>135949753
Implosion is gone so it's garbage now
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>>135949873
>darnassus aspirant
I thought that was out of most druid decks nowadays
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>>135949930

why would it be? what else are you gonna play on 2?
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>>135949820
No him, but you could have just as well meant Master of Ceremonies.
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>>135949930
not when secret paladin has no way of killing it
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>>135949976
Nothing or Wild Growth. Wild Growth is better Aspirant and you dont need 3 wild growth effects.
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>>135948775
My thanks to you
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>>135949976
wild growth
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>>135949873
lifecoach said druid didn't get anything in tgt
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Anyone playing right now that I can add?
Gotta watch someone win for a quest.
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>>135949976
wild growth. The reason aspirant dropped in popularity is because people started keeping things like dark bomb or frost bolt during their mulligan for that card, something they didn't use to do when the card just came out. When people stop playing around it again, aspirant will go back to being good. It's just the normal predator-prey cycle.
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>>135950073
>/hsg/
>win
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>>135950073
post your region and battletag you retard.

this rule used to be in the OP, why is it gone?
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>>135950073
post your tag and server
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>>135950159
>>135950147
US, tag is Cobbles

Don't expect to watch me win either, I'm new at this and awful
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>>135950196
post your tag with the number it has genius
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>>135950060
It's always fun to watch these dogshit """"pros"""" talking about new cards a few months later

It's proof that they really aren't any smarter than the average /hsg/ shieldbearer
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>>135950257
>I'm new at this
See what I mean?
Cobbles #1536
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>>135950060

they got savage combatant which will be great when shredder fucks off and dies in wild
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>>135948775

I'll shove that owl straight up ye bum
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>>135950308
no, you are retarded. Most people are able to figure it out on their own, but there are some "special" people that need to be fucking taught how to get someone for the watch and learn quest. Kill yourself.
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>>135950402
Savage combatant trades very poorly with that 4/2 divine shield C'thun minion though. It depends on how popular C'thun decks will be I guess.
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>>135950442
Don't cry just because not everyone knows how Battlenet works, especially if they're new users.
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>rank 5 already

That's sooner than usual. Should I try actually going for Legend for once?
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>>135950453
4/2 divine shield guy is the new shredder for me. I dont think they will print a better 4 drop neutral than that.
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>>135950080

if they spend their turn 2 dealing with your aspirant then you can most likely get a shade or a mounted raptor out on an empty board
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>>135950507
if he had lurked moar, he'd have known. dont defend the tards.
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>>135950521
>I dont think they will print a better 4 drop neutral than that.

I think so too.
4/2 divine shield for 4 mana might be good enough to run even in non-C'thun decks, completely ignoring the C'thun buffing effect of the card.
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>>135950561
>if he had lurked moar
Literally just said he's new here. Don't be an ass.
Typing out one sentence telling someone how to do something isn't any effort you shitstain.
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>>135950621
doing it every day is. that's why it should be in the OP, which was my point to begin with.
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>tfw 10 days for SoI draft and i can get out of this rng shitfest
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>>135950607
I wonder how good shadowstep Cthun can be
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>>135950816
it will be absolutely broken. it's almost guaranteed to clear the board, and deal a significant amount of damage to your opponent, if not outright kill him. And the next turn, he dies for sure.
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>>135950816
Since shadowstep will probably reset its stats: not good.
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>>135950887
I meant shadowstepping the minions that buff Cthun, also stealth shenanigans
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>>135950939
It doesnt
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>>135950816
Thanks to the -2 discount, comboing with Brann is a real possibility.
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>>135950939
it won't. brode said so himself.
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How does Brann work with Enhance-o-mechano? Are the random effects generated twice so you can get for example taunt and windfury on the same minion, or just once and then repeated so you always get just one effect per minion?
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>>135951060
It should be double randoms.
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>>135951060
the former.
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>>135951060
Twice, but you can get the same effect on the same minion.
>>
wew
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>>135951005
>Brann + beckoner of evil + shadowstep
wew lad +8/8
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>>135951093
>>135951117
>>135951094
Cool, thanks
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>Got rank 5

Think I might drop to rank 20 and grind wins for golden portraits or something
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>>135951130
Rip in piece
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>>135951130
too bad they'll be gone once you restart. I had the same bug.
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>>135898294
I didn't think it was possible to dislike taurens.
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>>135951270
If you dont care about legend and plan to grind gold, sure.
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>>135951368
>Try to get my mail at the Org mailbox
>Some fat fucking cow on his big mount is blocking it
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>>135951579
Spooky
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>>135951579
p2w
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DOES THIS PIECE OF SHIT EVER HAVE TAUNT?
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>>135951725
When it is played against you
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>>135951579
4 mana force tank max? nice
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>>135951725
I really hate that this card is shit because I really love knights
>playing this over sunwalker for +1 attack
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>>135950001
why would anyone want that crap
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Inb4 the giant in this expansion is
>20 mana 8/8
>costs (1) less for every attack your C'thun has
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>>135952047
oh god no.
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>>135952047
>>135952112
>Warlock only class card
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MrDestructoid
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>control cuck decides it's safe to take out my minion with dad's bite and push 15 face damage with shieldmaiden and grom instead of armoring up
>brings himself to 21 hp
hmm, well played
>>
Anybody playing any fun concede decks
>>
>>135916849
>>135918106

>Mage coins out scientist
>Suicides it turn 2, gets another scientist out
>Turn 3 kirin tor mage and another secret

I WANNA GET OFF THE RIDE
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>>135952003
because its attack voice is god-tier
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>>135951725

>I am... undefeated!
>loses
>repeatedly
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>>135951725
It does when you play a high curve deck.

Just sub your low mana minions for spells and weapons and control the board. If you have more than 4 minions that cost less than 4 mana then you're doing it wrong.
>>
It is ever correct to kill voidcaller 9/10 its malganis
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>>135950510
if you didnt get rank 5 effortlessly, dont, also what deck were u playing?
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>>135952707
Yeah, except that's completely wrong in arena, where you need like 10 cards below 4 mana, which makes this card suck serious ass.
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Why do people even play freeze mage? It can't be to climb, because they get farmed by every drood and wallet warrior on ladder. Are they just obnoxious cunts that play it only to annoy people?
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>>135952726
Big game that shit
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>>135952838
Because nobody plays control warrior and any aggro matchup is a free win.
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500 more gold for the last wing of LoE and then I can save for new expansion!
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>>135952989
Im sorry for your lack of wealth anon.
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Warlock hero power is so good, you might say that it's the """"""""""draw"""""""""" of the class.
>>
>>135951725
>tfw playing this nigga in super ramp super greed druid
>tfw he's won pretty much every joust

Feels good man
>>
>Currently sitting on 2 arenas under 3 wins

Help. I listened to Trump who told me to pick strong 2 drops instead of lategame cards and now I have no lategame because lategame cards seem less frequent.
Never listening to any streamer ever again
>>
Is it possible to construct a priest deck tha cuts all earlygame minions and gets through the earlygame just with spells and has only high cost minions like Ragnaros besides 2 Auchenai?

Resurrect would be pretty good if you could get an Auchenai at worst and something like Ragnaros or Ysera at best.

I'm thinking about many heals to keep your health up and then clear the board with holy nova, excavated evil and auchenai circle combos. Early key threats like Juggler or Trogg could be answered with smite and sw:p.
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>>135952806
>Joust cards
>In arena

Why on earth would you ever play Joust cards in arena and expect to win?
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>>135952913
Face shaman shits on freeze mage
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>>135953098
trump is horrible in arena. but the paradoxical thing is because he always picks too much lategame.
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>>135953098
Just because you didn't get any lategame does not mean that trump's advice was bad. 2 drops are way more important than lategame in arena.
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>>135953098
>listening to trump
>>
Did massan become a bot
>>
>>135953441
>>135953371

Currently 0-2 with 2 cards that cost 6+ mana
Guess I'm uninstalling once more, see you tomorrow
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>>135953645
you suck.
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>>135953098
i havent listened to it but i'm pretty sure that if you have a choice between two equally strong lategame cards, you should choose early game early in the draft. And its not like its bad advice, if you are bad enough to listen to trump zooy and aggro arena decks are better for you
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>>135953038
Yeah but at least I'm not too far behind everyone now. I'll get there eventually.
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So just opened this. My first golden since launch.Not sure if I should just dust it. I have a normal already.
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>Ragnaros will become great again
>Still don't have him
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>>135953750
You choose depending on the class. On average, two 1 drops, six 2 drops, five 3 drops, six 4 drops rest late game and spells.
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>>135953726
I do but that didn't prevent me to get in average 6 wins.
Today is a complete disaster
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>>135953856
>Dusting gold Legs
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>>135953856
Dust that bitch, that's a free legendary of your choice. Unless your entire deck is golden there's no point to it anyway.
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>>135953856
Free Yogg-Saron
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>>135953886
If you dont know how to draft just use heartharena
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>paladin plays 6 into 7 into 8
>still win because based patron.
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today in unpacked the spooky skeleton in draggs and realsied i have all the cards for oil, without having to spend any dust for it.

how can i improve this list?

f2p btw senpai ;^)
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>>135921520

>Lava burst
>Arcane shot, deadly shot
>Muster
>Demonfuse
>Execute

Whacky and wild
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>>135953952
Will do, thanks
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>>135954045
You mean based 1 mana removal
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>>135954051
second teacher, drop assassin
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Thijas just bursted a priest down from 29 hp without even using thalnos. Wtf man.
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>>135954124
I didn't play a single execute that game. I killed tirion with ghoul attack plus slam and and sacking the 3/1 patron, which is a much better play.
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>>135953441
bernie cuck detected
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>>135954241
>2016
>safe at 29
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>>135951725

>One more attack than sunwalker
>Has a chance to just be a shitty boulderfist ogre

Why would you ever run this
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Paladin is a shit class. A 1/1 minion for 2 mana? Every other hero power is better than it.
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>>135954373
isn't sunwalker 4/5?
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>>135954312
>would've kept the minions
>didn't even use the executes after
How was it better again?
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>>135954373
Also has more health than Sunwalker. The difference between 5 and 6 health is actually pretty significant. It usually determines whether a card will trade up or evenly against a 6 or 7 drop or trade down into a 5 drop.
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>a corrupted version of a shitty card is still a shitty card

How unsurprising.
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>>135954669
which one are you talking about?
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>>135954594
one draws a card and one doesn't
unless you're saying he should attack with ghoul, slam THEN execute
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>>135954594
drew into lethal faster thanks to slam
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>>135954594
because keeping a 3/1 patron is bad since it clogs up your board. having 3 patrons on board is the ideal amount. execute is much more flexible and better kept for worse situations. just because you can play cards doesn't mean you should.
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>>135954312
execute - > boom
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>0-2
>Next opponent just concedes
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>>135954934
I killed boom with patrons as well. Why waste additional resources when I can easily deal with boom with the stuff I have on board?
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>>135954806
>killing off your minions to save spells and then never using them
>this is the correct way to play
Ok guy. Show me at least rank 5 and then talk to me
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>>135954413
>every other hero power is better than it
>in a game where we can only hero power every turn, paladin ties with mage and druid, beats out warrior priest rogue, shaman and even hunter, while warlock's broken hero power relies entirely on the cards in deck
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>>135955113
you have two executes in hand and no activators. Nice premium removal.
You say slam helped you draw into grom when you spent your only activator in hand on tirion when you lucked into drawing whirlwind and grom immediately when the paladin could have gotten half as lucky and drawn the second challenger.
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>>135955152
Paladin power is worse than all of those you said it beats out. 2 armor is better than a worthless 1/1
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>>135955412

Meant to quote
>>135955173
>>
FrozenPanda#2819 NA help for spectate quest
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>>135955412
>2 armor is better than a worthless 1/1

I hope you aren't actually this stupid.
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>>135955362

>Second challenger
>A threat

Yeah a 6/6/6 battlecry: Draw and play avenge is real scary when you're losing
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why is Thijs playing on Asia? he's on twitch now
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Is dusting Echoing Ooze safe?
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>>135955412

>Armour up is better than a hero power that directly affects the board state and ramps up in power over time

Nobody can be this stupid

Say that again in 7 turns when the warrior is gaining 2 armour per turn but the paladin is hitting you with 7 recruits a turn and see whos gonna win that late game
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>>135955152
he is right. I didn't use them because I won. How is this bad? I had two executes to fall back on in case things went to shit.

>>135955362
>you have two executes in hand and no activators. Nice premium removal.
I had whirlwind. I used it to win though, no need to execute anything when I have lethal. And half my deck is activators for execute, worst case I use the Korkron elite.

>You say slam helped you draw into grom
that wasn't me.

>when you spent your only activator in hand on tirion when you lucked into drawing whirlwind and grom immediately when the paladin could have gotten half as lucky and drawn the second challenger.
That doesn't matter in the slightest since I had lethal anyway. what's your point?
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>>135955173
>Ties with mage
No
>and druid
No
>Beats out warrior
No
>Priest
No
>Rogue
Definitely not
>Shaman
Debatable
>Hunter
No

Rogue hero power is the best one in the game (I mean seriously, it's the only one with enough synergy to be turned into a win condition and the only one that lasts 2 turns).

The only hero power that you could argue is worse than Paladin's is Shaman's.

Think about it carefully, when playing Shaman, the class with what many consider the worst hero power in the game what is consistently the worst possible outcome of using your hero power? Getting a 1/1.

Paladin gets a 1/1 every time, therefore Paladin is the worst hero power.

The class just compensated for it by having many of the best class cards over the first 2 expansions (Naxx and GvG really did spoil Paladin, which was universally considered the worst class in Vanilla Hearthstone and is in danger of becoming the worst class again if it doesn't get any good subs for what it's losing).
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>>135955715
Camping on a top rank at EU
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>>135955412
you are quite retarded
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>>135955731

>Gets played in nothing except token druid

>Getting rotated out in a matter of weeks

Yes its safe
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>people that dust pretty much everything except what they need for their decks
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>>135955748
Yes because control warrior relying heavily on armour and hero power is unheard of and Token Paladin is running rampant through ladder and requires constant hero power usage.

Fuck you. Do you even play this game?
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>>135955805
>>Ties with mage
>No
>>and druid
>No
>>Beats out warrior
>No
>>Priest
>No
>>Rogue
>Definitely not
>>Shaman
>Debatable
>>Hunter
>No

are you retarded? How does a warrior and priest not lose to the paladin hero power? How does healing your face do anything to affect the board? Please be retarded somewhere else.
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>>135955553
>minion attacks
>doesn't break through armor

>>135955748
>letting recruits survive
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>>135955876
desu that's what you have to do while being f2p
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>>135955173

I just realized that in a game where you can only hero power every turn, paladin literally smorcs hunter down faster than hunter smorcs paladin down

Starting to think paladin might just be op desu
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>>135955805
>Think about it carefully, when playing Shaman, the class with what many consider the worst hero power in the game what is consistently the worst possible outcome of using your hero power? Getting a 1/1.

This is wrong.
Shaman is considered the worst heropower because it is RNG and not reliable.
Getting the 1/1 totem is not the worst outcome. What will the spelldamage totem do for you when you have no spells in hand? What will the healing totem do when you have no damaged minions? What will the taunt totem do against a freeze mage?
There are situations for each totem where it is amazing, but in other situations they are completely worthless. You only have a 25% chance to get the totem you need right now, that's why it is considered bad.
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>>135955938
we're comparing hero power vs hero power, not decks. CW takes good advantage of the hero power it is dealt with, that doesn't mean it's the best.
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>>135955952
Ok I fell for the bait. You got me. I'm just happy to know there aren't people that stupid in this general.
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>>135955805
>not accounting for the synergy with most of the paladin class cards for recruist being tokens and triggering a lot of secrets and spells
>thinking totem synergy is anywhere near as optimized
>thinking an rng based selection systen for minions is better than a consistant one
Paladins HP is not garbage by any means.
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>>135955876
>Dust a card
>1/4 value
>Don't use a card
>0/4 value
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>>135955946
I direct you to this post
>>135955938
Stop being retarded. Warrior's hero power can be used to control the game by maintaining player health.

Priest's hero power can be used to directly improve tempo by healing damaged minions for favorable trades.

Paladin's hero power summons a 1/1 that will die instantly next turn to literally anything and ultimately have no effect on the board that couldn't have been accomplished MUCH BETTER by just playing a 1 or 2 cost minion.
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>>135956151
Playing a 1 or 2 cost minion removes a card from your hand/deck, anon.

That's a huge fucking deal.
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>>135956080
>"lol bait"
>"now i don't have to refute his points"
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>>135956079
Comparing hero powers in a vacuum is literally retarded. You are deliberately ignoring the greater state of the game and the fact that all hero powers are trash in a vacuum and that it is about how they can be used in conjunction with other cards that decides whether or not they're good.
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>>135956151
me wallet warrior me no retarded
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>>135956151
>>135956217
Paladin's hero power is the only reason midrange paladin is a favorable matchup against control warrior. This is a fact but you can try to tell me I'm wrong if you want to.
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>>135903519
guys what yo uare missing is that this crd would give druid +1 attack always meaning on your oppenents turn too if thats the case this is op if that wasnt considered and a mistake shit tier card
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which one
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>>135955805
Besides warlock's, mage and rogue hero powers are the best in the game because of how versatile they are.

Shaman is the worst because it can be either gamewinning, or almost worthless, but the latter happens way more often that the former.

The rest sits somewhere in the middle and can't be really tiered outside of specific matchups and decks.
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>>135956473
illidan
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>>135956473
illidan
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>>135956473
Illidan is fine due to a general lack of aoe in arena.
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CWARRIOR TAKES SKILL
NONE OF YOU AGGRO SHITTERS UNDERSTAND
WHEN WILL YOU LEARN THAT REMOVING CREATURES IS HARD AND I HAVE TO THINK EXTRA ABOUT USING SHIELD SLAM OR REGULAR OLD SLAM
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>>135956473

Could Illidan work at all in constructed? Surely he's be alright in demonhandlock getting pulled out by voidcaller

Feel like he'd be right at home in Oil Rogue gas Violet Teacher's big brother
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>>135956389
Confirmed for never playing past rank 20
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>>135956643
don't forget substracting 2 mana from the cost of anything you might want to play any given turn and invariably roping before completing these calculations, istead of just clicking green cards like a typical midrange or aggro shitter
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>>135956739
What if they have AOE?
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>>135956739
beast sighted
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>>135956753

Except he's right

Control warrior is on a timer against paladin because he hasnt got enough removal to deal with infinite minions
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Fuck. Which one is it?
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>>135954781

The tauren. Pretty sure it's supposed to be that 2/3 Enrage minion.
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>>135956753
confirmed for spending absurd amount of money on wallet warrior, still unable to beat paladins
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>>135956882
Vanish. Learn to pick and learn dude.
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>>135956820

Probs best for the bgh to ger blown on illidan rather than mal'ganis

>>135956801

Doesnt stop anyone from running teacher in oil rogue

The point is tempo and more bodies to drop oils on
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>>135956882
Shadowstep, it's the least useless of the three and can be used as a free combo activator, plus there is a chance you'll draft something you might want to shadowstep like a charger or healbot.
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>>135956882
Shadowstep for Elven Archer synergy
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>mfw Infested Tauren

Not only did they just recycle Belcher, which everyone was excited to see gone just because of how boringly common it was, they made it into a 4-drop, which again, everyone was excited to see Shredder gone and let other minions be experimented with on the 4-drop slot.

At this point Infested Dr. Boom is a statistical inevitability, huh?
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>>135957020
Are you fucking retarded senpai?
>>
>>135957020
>>135957020
But it sucks
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>>135956974
>not running 2 BGH when people start to run more targets
>The point is tempo
but costing two more mana than teacher is the opposite of it
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>>135956904

The 2/3 enrage with taunt that dies to frostbolt becomes a 2/3 taunt that dies to frostbolt then spawns a 2/2 slime

Its actually pretty ok if you wanna maintain board presence. Situationally worse than yeti or shieldmastah, situationally better than either
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>>135957020
The 2/2 doesn't have taunt so the card is never going to see play. It's a much worse shredder.

>4/3, drops 3/2 on average
>2/3, drops a 2/2
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>>135956739
ive got the beast in my seeeeeeeighhhhhts, also dies to standard 5drops and 2drops with abusive, or tokens with power overwhelming, or king'd token, well you get the idea, if it wasd 5/7 it would be decent to be considered
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>>135956882
vanish can win a losing game. especially if you pick a sap if it's offered. Shadowstep is okay. Just a bad heal on minion and at best it recycles an argent commander
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I want to ____ that goblin
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>>135957098

Does rogue really care about mana costs when they run 2x backstabs and 2x preps anyway?

I'd run illidan just for the sake of running illidian anyway, even if he's a slightly riskier violet teacher
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>>135957218
impregnate
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>>135957218
play hearthstone with
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>>135957218
HEHEHEHWE HEHEHE
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>>135957110

Yeah, and that 2/3 costs 4 to cast. Pretty underwhelming stats compared to others, don't you think?
>>
I just downloaded Magic duels:origin on steam in preparation for SoI. What am i in for? Is the ftp system of magic better from Hearthstones?
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>>135957229
its the matter of surviving 6 turns and saving cards until then to trigger his effect.
But sure dont let the sub optimal stats and performance stop you from having fun, famalam
captcha 1600 indian
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>>135957218
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>>135957595
When your enemy concedes, you have to continue playing against a bot in their place. This is why I quit and will never play that stupid game but I've heard there are many other things wrong with it.
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oh hey we're at bump limit/page 10

new thread time

>>135957820
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>>135957123
>the card is never going to see play.

Wouldn't go that far. Sure, it's worse than Sen'jin, but what's stopping Reno decks from running both?
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>>135958058
yeti, and other good 4drop minions
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>>135957375

Its the same stats as yeti, except it hast taunt for the first 3 hp of its life, and takes a minimum of 2 hits too kill.

Yeti doesnt have taunt and can be killed in one hit, as can tazdingo
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>>135900982
ice, ice, rager
>dun dun dun dududuh
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>>135960646
maybe if it wasnt a warlock card
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>>135960837
>>135960646
oh crap this ist shitty OC, fuck me, 100dust
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>>135961083
where do you saw it?
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>>135961257
hearthpwn.com has it listed on main site
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lets debate this for alli gonna make a lost whst really matter in a hero power to make it good and worst
> shaman: 1armor 1 attack
synergy whit class card 0
synergy whit neutral card 0
duration 1 turn
usually use it for trade little minion probaly recibe more damage and make it a bad trade
>paladin: sumon 1/1 minion
sinergy whit class card alot
sinergy whit neutral card alot(minion buff)
duration indefinety
usually use it for make it tim3 kill litle minion paladin card have buff minion
>rogue:sumon weapon 1/2
synergy whit class card alot and good
synergy whit neutral card some
duratin indefinedety
use it usualy for kill minion whit card class is a match definition hero power
>priest heal 2
synergy whit class card good
synergy whit neutral card good
duratuon indefinety
welp is heal you dont need for what uae it give you advantage like all heal especialy whit justifar
>warior 2 armor
synergy whit class card alot
synergy whit neutral card 0
duration undefinined
have no limit that all
>class shamman 2 damage draw a card
this all draw a card give you advantage that all you nees to know
thus is the list worst to best hero power
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>>135961379
> shaman: 1armor 1 attack
>class shamman 2 damage draw a card
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>>135961627
>>135961627
>>135961627
new bread
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>>135934040
>>135936601
Going ftp in this game is p ez, I got to rank 4 last season. Only dident make legacy because I had to work the last weekend of the month. Just reroll all quests till they are at least 50g and save up the nax and loe wings (not so sure that a good idea now tho, with the standard which coming up).
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>>135937281
Never would come out of this dev team. Funny idea, but hearthstone devs wanna make the game about combos, not countering other people.
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>>135951579
Pay to win?
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