/dsg/ - Soulsborne General

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>>135870272
if your main ps account has ps+, then all accounts can play dark souls online regardless of whether they have ps+

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First for tactical espionage action

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VOTE!!!

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you guys have that new swamp kinda zone from das3?

>>135870131
>My plan for DS3 is to do deprived with maxing luck asap, is there any reason this is a wrong plan?
First, luck will be a waste until you respec.

Second, even if you can/do respec, deprived is probably the worst class to build around. You're better off with pretty much any other class.

>>135870443
buıɹ buıɹ

BONE FIST A SHIT

every 'combo' is ridiculously easy to roll out of to the point even NPC player models mock you by rolling your initial r1 stagger

the heavy wind-ups are so fucking forecasted that you'll never hit someone who isn't afk with it and at least half of the moveset's hitboxes suffer from being unable to hit anything even if it's right next to you

worst offender is the heavy roll r1 uppercut

i fucking love bone fists god damn

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>>135870518
Cleric

>>135870530
Yes

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>>135870224
ring ring

>>135870518
>knight on #1
boring fags

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Wouldn't pyromancer be the best class to start out with if you want to "try everything"?

Lots of initial int and faith for int/faith spells that have obscene requirements, as well as a decent amount of starting str/dex

>>135870731
It's the heavy counterpart to the light Caestus. Literally the same thing as whining that a greatsword is easier to roll on reaction than a longsword.

>>135870224
I just realised that I haven't been using 'perhaps' for years, since it's lazy as fuck language.

>>135870731
2 handed R1's nigga you actually let out aoe explosions

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>>135870224
Don't you rike it?

It's the weekend before release. When can we expect streams?

>>135870731
>strawpoll.me/7086324
The hitbox on the rolling 2H is a goddamn crime. You can roll into someone so that thou're making collision with them and still have it whiff.

>>135870749
GIANT

ENEMY

CRAB

>>135870749
Is this the Great Swamp?

As in pyromancy land?

playing through the dks2 dlc for the first time. man, old iron king dlc is fucking shit. feel like they dropped the ball on this one compared to the other two.

>>135870893
Wednesday, Tuesday night at the earliest

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>>135870884
>Do you sense the amicability in it's eyes?

>>135870623
Nope.

My starting build is a super quality pyromancer.

15-20 in both INT and FAI, enough attunement for 3 slots and 30 str/30 dex and use quality stuff and 2 hand str stuff.

I'm expecting most of the weapon requirements in the game to be above 10 dex and 10 str anyway.

>>135870830
What's the point of trying everything on one playthrough anyway? It just reduces replayability.

>>135870518

>deprived starts with a fucking weapon
>it's a 1hand blunt type
>10 in all stats
>lvl 1

fucking EASY

>>135870749
>here come the shrek cosplayers

>>135871010
So you can plan out pvp builds :^)

>>135870623
I just like starting with nothing and working my way up. It was fun in the other games, I'm just gonna continue it. In your opinion, what is the most optimal starting class if I wanna do a str build, but wanna do light armor.

>>135870749

Oh look, mudcrabs. :3

Dark souls PtD edition PC
Ornstein and Smough
Solare keeps argoing Ornstein but i want Ornstein's soul
and the one time a actualy got smough before Solare killed Ornstein, he died right after the cut scene
any help?

>>135870961
There's way too many enemies, but the stage design is top notch. I love that one central tower that lets you explore vertically when you activate the forge.

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>>135871045
The modified club R2's are also pretty damn insane.
Some1 post the webm.

>>135870790
It has optimal stats for most builds, plus a solid weapon/shield and nice armor.

>>135870830
Why would you create a class just to "try everything" if doing so made your build shit in the long run?

If spells turn out to be shit, then you're fucked. With Knight, pretty much every build is going to want the stats that it offers. Even casters will want some End, Vit, and Str/Dex for basic weapon requirements, so you're much less likely to end up with wasted stat points.

>>135871145
Have you tried using a weapon upgraded past +0?
Shitposting aside, Smough is weak to thrusting, lightning and bleed. Surely you have access to at least one of these to burst him down with, especially since he has very low poise (lower than Ornstein for some reason) so you can stagger him easily by two-handing.

>>135871232
Is it the crazy leap attack they do?

>>135871313
>leveling up vit as a caster

you disgust me

DaS3 WHEN

>>135870749

The new darkroot looks good.

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>>135871446
NOT SOON ENOUGH MY MAN.

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http://darksouls.wikidot.com/greatsword-of-artorias

>The Greatsword of Artorias deals extra damage against dark servants such as Darkwraiths and The Four Kings. Furthermore affected by this are Kirk, Knight of Thorns, Frampt and Kaathe.

how do they calculate the damage agains frampt and kaathe? IIRC they don't even have hit points.

Whatever the case, does it mean the serpents are inherently dark and maybe frampt was a traitor to its kind?

>>135870518
Will it be worth some early points in luck to get increased drops? I'm trying to get everything on the first play through so I can try things out, then just respec at endgame.

>>135870224
Clearly this is just Mitsubishi's subtle way of hinting that DaS2 is canon. Or perhaps...?

>>135871446
2d 18h 7m 8s

>>135871145
>Solare keeps argoing Ornstein but i want Ornstein's soul
are you saying that solaire can kill orn faster than you can kill smough?

have you considered pulling your thumb out of your ass and attacking smough?

>>135871313
It's the generic sword and board build that's always the most popular. Nothing to due with it being optimal for everything.

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>>135870490
>if your main ps account has ps+, then all accounts can play dark souls online regardless of whether they have ps+

I just realized that all of the people who have told me that BB's online is free were leeching off their roommates.

>>135871203
>>135870961

the dlc content in general is shit

the only playstyle applicable to any of them is literally just r1 melee strafing, everything takes 40-80% reduced magic, lightning and dark damage for some fucking reason and it completely alienates any kind of caster playthrough

my heart fucking sank when i saw crystal soul spear doinking a generic shitty enemy in rusted ancient armor for like 400

it sank even more when sunlight spear barely managed to tickle it

i abandoned ship and went powerstance greatswords when great resonant soul only did the same ~400 to the same enemy

i'm fucking mad as hell that that exact same enemy takes 1200 damage from a single powerstance r1 attack

>>135871391
i have a +10 Claymore but thats about it
i can get smough. the real challenge it fighting super Ornstein and summoning health with a summon who it probably already dead. i was kind of hoping someone would place their summon sign for me

>>135871549
>Greeted by a lobster npc
>Covenant of crab spirits.
>1st rank reward is a crab claw weapon
>WA is a snibbety snap
pls memezahky

>>135871658
>2d
r u memeing me?

>>135871549
Is it confirmed to have the same constant PvP invasion covenant mechanic?

Is there a confirmed place like that anywhere in DaS3? DaS2 dropped the ball on places like that.

>>135871592
Didn't someone debunk this by digging around in the debug client and finding that Divine/Occult damage modifiers aren't actually enabled in-game?

>>135871764
>the dlc content in general is shit
They're easily the best parts of DS2.

>>135871661
no. im saying that Ornstein kills solare faster than i can kill smough

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>>135871232

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>>135871784
He's not.
JP PS4 release is earlier than worldwide now.
You'll have to abandon the general soon if you dont spoilers.
>>135871818
>Is it confirmed to have the same constant PvP invasion covenant mechanic?
No but we have Mound Makers of Undead Settlement.
We still don't know how exactly do they work, but they're purple and invade as "mad dark spirits" in the settlement area.

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>>135871764
> wah wah I can't cheese pve with magic spam anymore

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>>135871764
>bootyblasted magicuck
Try playing a REAL character next time.

>>135871764
>the dlc content in general is shit

I honestly think the Sunken King dlc is top notch, or at least the best of the 3 dlcs. Pretty much ideal difficulty, cool design, and a very dungeon exploring feel.

>>135871959
consider power within, grabbing the ember for +15 weapons or swapping to a twinkling or demon weapon, or using resins

>>135871708
>tfw borrowed little brother's ps4 and leeched off his ps+

>>135871764
>lightning and dark damage for some fucking reason and it completely alienates any kind of caster playthrough
Keep repeating those memes I'm sure someone will fall for them

Most common enemies die to 2-3 dark orb blasts, same or less than endgame enemies in the base game

The bosses are the real kicker and even then you will usually be doing around the same damage as a melee build, you just can't do 40% of a bosses HP bar with a single soul greatsword which means you better pack up 3x dark orb and kill it with 300 damage a pop.

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>>135872079
>they don't play glass cannon wizard who has no health and dies in one hit

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>>135871964

>>135871927

other than the fact that they completely make any kind of caster build utterly worthless, sure

they went full retard when it came to cranking enemy defenses, the only thing that can damage literally anything in any of the dlc content is ordinary melee

>jester fucking thomas takes 200-500 damage from a soulspear that has base 2100 damage
>wearing literal jester gear
>no visible ring effects or buffs

[screaming frog noises]

>>135872024
>mfw I literally thought it was in like 5 months or so

>>135871764
Magic in Souls has always been intended to supplement melee, not replace it.
Well, except in DeS because that was the first true Souls game and had no semblance of balance.

This is also why magic usually has fairly unremarkable casting animations, you're expected to cast the odd utility spell or plink at enemies to pull them or finish them off, not sit there spamming.

>>135871964
too bad the damage is complete shit

>>135872263
Japan is on the 24th and the rest of the world gets it on april 12th

>>135872253
I played through it as a full utilitarian caster build no problem. Nothing was resistant to ever type of magic. Jester Thomas just has an absurd amount of health.

>>135872423
At least I'll have some time to try Fallout's first dlc before delving into DaS3

>>135872373
>expecting From to give players the cosmic horror power level that is torch hollow retard flail

>>135872052
Ironically enough magic SPAM is perfectly viable for PvE in the DLC, its the fact that you can't waste 3 attunement slots on 3 casts of crystal soul spear and kill the boss with 2 that really upsets these retards.

As demonstrated here >>135872253
Spell spam is fine, high attunement cost low cast amount of spells that could be used to cheese the rest of the game, thats where the issues come.
Which is perfectly fine doing a third or more of a bosses HP bar with a single spell that you can cast from miles away is the stupidest thing

>>135872373
damage absorption and unupgraded weapon, lad
an attack that does 80 damage four times is obviously going to suffer when enemies take 40 less

>>135872024

Okay... I'm trying to stay away from gameplay and real spoilers, but I want to know if the basics are there. I also have no self-control.

Hopefully this "Undead Settlement" has the same feel as Darkroot Garden. Summoning a friend and sitting on top of the hill waiting for invaders was the best.

Bloodborne

which area do you suggest to do first? (I don't have the DLC)

-Mensis Nightmare
-Nightmare Frontier
-Cainhurst
-The Choir

I'm lvl 63

>>135872592

That fucking attack is my worst fear in the whole series

Seriously what the fuck memezaki

What produces more energy?

Madness or anger or rage?

>>135872734
Frontier - Nightmare - Choir - Mensis

I hope you picked up the frenzy rune in the Forbidden Woods

>>135872734
frontier - cainhurst - choir - mensis

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>>135872746
>nice full Havel's set there faggot
>would be a shame if a wooden stick on fire staggered you anyway

>>135872079
>>135872052

~500 hp((ring that cuts your hp for spell casts)) magic builds are the furthest thing from cheesing when every das2 enemy and boss is loaded with leap attacks, projectiles, enormous sweepers and AI coded to chase your ass like a mad dog until it gets into melee range

constant timing and positioning to avoid the above is a lot harder to manage than just going 130 poise with a greatsword and facerolling content, there's no reason the damage values for it should be so absolutely shit like that

mentioned before, powerstancing greatswords and just dumping stamina on r1 spam deals like 3,000 damage while having inbuilt super-armor on top of ridiculous poise from heavy armor on top of the usual 2,500-3,000 hp and mega defenses

i'm just mad ok dudes

my favorite archetype is fucking garbage and that's not okay

>>135872806
Laughter according to Pixar

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Who could this 'Armor of the Sun' possibly belong to? I wonder if DaS1 players could solve this puzzle of the ages. It's really subtle, perhaps also convoluted.

>>135872734
dude, buy the dlc
it makes bloodborne such a better game

choir and mensis are endgame
frontier is lv50ish
cainhurst is 50ish too but the boss may give you some trouble

>>135872903
Replace nightmare with cainhurst, what >>135872921 said

>>135872806
>>135872996
Rage because adrenaline and increase heart rate and faster blood flow.

>>135872961
>facetanking DS2 bosses with powerstanced UGSes
Nigga what the actual fuck are you on about that is so not viable.

You can ONLY "tank" bosses if you have really really good stability shields and even then shits not gonna work out for you that well.
Powerstance builds rely on rolling and don't do damage thats even remotely comparable to the bullshit that is hexes in base DS2

>>135872160
is there a resen merchent resonably close to Anor Londo?

>almost have orphan beat
>he shits out lightning while doing a completely different moveset

Fuck off

>>135872734
>Cainhurst
>The Nightmares
>Choir
The Choir is probably the hardest area of the game, because of the brain sucker things.

>>135871683
But the fact that it is optimal means that more people are going to go for it than normal.

Besides, "classes" in soulsborne games are literally just a choice of starting stats/equipment, and you can get new equipment really early in the game. There's no reason to choose based on anything other than stats.

>>135872806
Are talking physical or mental madness?

Rage wins out over anger, because Rage is uncontrolled anger. Adrenaline and all that.

>>135873352
>You can't backstab him while he screams out that shit either

Aren't you happy that the DLC lasts a little longer!? :D

>>135873041

Gee, I wonder. It's so mysterious. There is no way anyone could know who that "singular Knight of Sunlight" is.

Truly, the game is doing a great job filling in the gaps of the lore and enriching it.

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>>135873041
why are you so angry over this?

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>>135873041
>week 1 of Dark Souls 3
>you reach a moderately challenging early-midgame boss
>decide to be a pussy and pop an ember to get some help, vowing to master this boss solo on your next playthrough with a more optimized build
>room is suddenly full of golden summon signs wearing full Sun Armor sets with names like SunnyD and PraiseItFgt

I want Memezaki to go.

>>135873041
I'm just glad they're fully committing to the fanservice now instead of being lazy and not even bothering to explain why ds1 armor was returning

>>135873346
Undead blacksmith
If all else fails just farm the silver knights for their weapons, might take ages to drop but if you don't fuck you will have the souls to even get some upgrade materials for one so you will have to spend less to buy twinkeling from the giant blacksmith.

I discovered that my original +10 rapier did like 90 damage to Super Orni and swapped to a silver knight sword then proceeded to kill him in 10 hits

What if the FUGS worked like this:
1H is the UGS. 1HR2 is the 2HL2 from DaS2, overhead smash with guard frames covering the startup and much of the attack
2H pulls out the Fume Sword in your other hand and dual-wields it with the UGS. L1s are 3 hit combo starting with a quick slash from the regular sword before attacking with both weapons for each successive hit. while 2H, your normal R1s still swing the UGS with the normal 1H moveset, and the guard attack is still the R2
Weapon art is the stomp, except instead of granting hyperarmor or a poise-boost, it blocks using the FUGS while you assume the stomp stance. During the stance, the sword bursts into the black flame from the Fume Knight's second phase. The buff lasts about 1 second, giving you just enough time to R1 out of the stomp, or L1L1 to strike with the buffed UGS. Following up the stomp with an R2 performs a sped-up version of the sweeping fire attack from Fume Knight's 2nd phase.

incredible

https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/4b6yzp/weare_japanese_darksouls_fan_make_subreddit/

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>>135872806
Being raped by a wise magical negro

Is it just me or is DS 2 really short? It's my first playthrough and I'm at the castle that you go to after the 4 great souls. It's only been like 9 hours of gameplay.

>>135873551
I'd rather be fighting Laurence than this screaming Grendel cunt

>>135873041
>>135873571

It's young Gwyn armor, guys. Get over it.

>>135873681
It's by far the longest game in the series, it is even less of a contest if you include the DLCs

>>135873041
Wait a minute, that card...

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>>135873627
>reddit

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>>135873346
nope sorry

there is a shortcut lift in sens though so the trip back to the burg only takes like 5 minutes, assuming you also opened the side gate and huge doors in anor londo
if you go get some resins/ power within/ ember (or twinkling/ demon weapon) and rite of kindling you'll be set though

>>135873352
YEOWWWWWWW

>>135870224
>pyromancer still not nerfed in DS3

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>>135873627
>Reddit

>>135873336
>Powerstance builds rely on rolling

i literally just sidestrafed NG+++ veldstat between powerstance r1-l1-l1-r2 chains while stamina regenned and each combo did anywhere from 2k to 3k damage, the only hit that staggered me out of poise was his overhead smash

the same strategy works on nearly every dlc boss encounter and the damage output remains the same

my point is that melee has become way too dominant and magic/pyro/hex/miracle is so weak that it's become a fucking joke now

most of the weapon-based magic attacks actually deal more damage than the actual sorcery they're based off of, the ice rapier and drake greatswords probably being the most offensive examples of this at high str/dex scaling. fuck, they even cast and recover faster, too

>>135873352

Yeah my first try that shit got me too.

I never thought I'd use the words Placenta Blade, Nice ocean view, Holy fuck lightning, and Afterbirth grenades while playing a game, let alone one boss.

That's the majesty of SoulsBorne games though.

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>inb4 we get abyssal goo transformation
>dark magic
>moonlight sword
IM READY TO SPREAD THE WORD OF KOS

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>>135874154
The terminology used in Soulsborne games can be pretty funny when viewed out of context.

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>>135874304
>yfw moonlight greatsword is the last prize for ranking up on the blades of darkmoon covenant

>>135870224
>or perhaps as a channeling of the original owner's industrious efforts

What the fuck is the point of this bit? I don't get it.

It doesn't describe anything about the weapon art. The words before "Or perhaps" already did that. It doesn't tell us anything about the lore of specific NPCs or levels or whatever. It's just fluff.

>>135874536

the only thing i want back in das3 is scaling weapon buffs

the fucking boner i received from how much damage a properly-scaled darkmoon blade added to a weapon, good lord

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>"Surely you have seen for yourself… the pain and suffering that fills this world!… You fool. Don't you understand? No one wishes to go on…"

>>135874460

The use of the word "Toggle" is the only one I'm blanking on.

Black Knight Ultra Greatswords can suck a dick, but they're still better than pre-nerf DaS1 BKGA.

What are the Unkindled, exactly? All we know so far is that they're Undead from a previous cycle that are reawakened by the bell, and that they're somehow related to ash. Any other piece of info on them?

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>>135874681

>>135874703
I think that's the most powerful dialogue in the entire Souls series. It's why I love DeS's story the most.

>>135874703
Oh, hello DeSfag.

Are you trying to turn this into a feels thread for DeS?

Do you want your fellow DeSfags to pretend with you that False King Allant is the hardest Soulsborne boss ever?

Well, if so, then you should stop, because being a DeSfag makes you a faggot.

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>>135873461
>Rage

Rage it is then.

Hopefully we will see some really good pyromancies that make you look like a flaming raging berserker that wants to melt your eyes off.

>>135874681
>>135874946
Welcome to Dark Souls 3 item descriptions.


A terribly worn shirt/manchettes.
Men are fond of weaving tales to explain the raggedness of their garb.
"My sixth sense warned me of danger, and I danced between flurries of blades unscathed, but alas, my clothes went to tatters."

>>135874815
"Toggling" is a glitch in DaS1 where switching weapons as you get hit negates stagger, making Poise essentially useless.

>>135874958
I'm not even that guy but holy shit this post is oozing with autism

let people talk about the games holy shit you fuckin FAGGOT

>>135874703
That dialogue would make more sense in Dark's universe desu fampaitachi

>>135874681
It's being cheeky.
Do you have no sense of humour?

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Well I officially have beaten the DLC (Except for 1 optional area)

Literally made the entire slog through the game worth it. Kinda sad its over.

Also Burnt Ember King REALLY should have been the final boss. Sure he is only slightly harder than Nashranda/Aldia, but fuck was it climatic.

I still need to find my way to the last bonfire in Ivory King DLC

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>>135874958
I suck souls, you suck cocks.

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>>135874958
This is the souls/bb general right?

>>135875136
Not at all, that's the whole point of DeS.

>>135875048
That shit is so Rabbit Ronin, it must be a reference

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>>135874703
>"There is no path."
>"Beyond the scope of light, beyond the reach of dark... what could possibly await us?"
>"And yet we seek it... insatiably."
>"Such is our fate."

Is there anything like the Paleblood Hunt, but for dark/demon souls lore? I don't have time to watch a whole playthrough, but I still like to read on the lore.

>>135874681
The more ambiguous fluff, the larger the fanwank.
Miyazaki storytelling 101

>>135874951
There is no path
Beyond the scope of light, beyond the reach of Dark
What could possibly await us? And yet we seek it, insatiably, such is our fate.

>>135875210
Do you remember a locked gate guarded by a Rampart Golem and a few hollow prisoners?

>>135875048
>comparing the best item description yet to "or perhaps"

>>135875404
That clicks it, the warpick belonged to Tarkus, or perhaps...

Yo /dsg/ merged with /bbg/ right? Anyways, is the DLC in Bloodborne worth getting?

>>135874951
I like every game more than DS2 but, man, Aldia's dialogue also makes me wet.

Life is brilliant. Beautiful. It enchants us, to the point of obsession.
Some are true to their purpose, though they are but shells, flesh and mind.

What is it that drives you?

>>135875486
I do I just never found the key

>>135875357
>>135875406
I gotta admit, that dialogue is pretty hype.

>>135875321
>No one has the will to go on
>what is Hollowing

>>135874934

Hollowing doesn't end with you going insane and turning into jerky. You're insane, but you still have a fire burning inside of you that still fuels your basic instincts. Hollowing doesn't stop there, though; further hollowing is essentially you going braindead, propping yourself against a wall and essentially freezing up as the last fire inside you fades away. You're not truly dead until the fire has been linked against, when you can finally pass away. Places like the Undead Asylum were there not to truly remove the undead from the realm of the normies, but simply to keep them where they could do no harm until hollowing ad run its course and they could be put in a coffin and buried in accordance with the religious rites of wherever they came from.

At least that's how I understand it.

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ANY NEWS ON ANYONE FINDING A ZWEIHANDER IN THE GAME

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Why does DS2 bountiful sunlight suck?

>>135875559
Yes

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>>135875357
>>135875406
What did he mean by this?

>>135874958
You really seem to have issues with DeS, friend. Any time someone mentions it you really flip your shit.

>>135875559
>is the DLC in Bloodborne worth getting?
Yes, great weapon additions and excellent boss fights.

>>135875636
>what is Hollowing
>what is going mad after losing souls

>>135875589
Man, I really hope Aldia makes a return, he was such a cool dude.

>>135875210
wow grats, as for me i can't be bothered to even touch dark souls 2 after playing bloodborne so the content i paid for will have to remain unplayed forever

>>135875404
Tell me about it.

Some faggot on Reddit is going to make a bloated 100 page document on Dark Souls 3's lore.

>>135875161
>if miyazaki does it, it's superb cheeky subtle poetry
praise it

>>135875559
It's amazing. by itself and in comparison to the rest of the game.

Great bosses, amazing level design, makes the scope of the story bigger, adds a shitton of good weapons.

>>135875210
Burnt IVORY King but okay
Also you need to first find the stone door that is unlocked by lighting torches (at the end of a path right before you fall down to the second bonfire) and grab the garrison ward key from there.
Then its to the left after your first encounter with a Rampart Golem (the shield and lance guys)

>>135875634
From the Outer Wall bonfire, turn right towards Abandoned Dwelling bonfire. Find the new path in the snow just outside of the building housing the bonfire. You will note 4 sconces that you must use your torch on, and a door will open

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>>135875210

every time i fight ivory king he just bugs out and stands in place, even when solo without summons or offline entirely

it's nice for helping people that want to just farm the drops i guess

>>135875210
>the last bonfire
Oh you sorry fool. I hope you're ready.

>>135875848
Link?

>>135875821
This, hopefully with a less trashy design.

>>135875750

It basically boils down to "Fuck everyone else, just do what makes you happy."

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I miss being able to punish runners with backstabs so fucking much
Do I just carry an Avelyn to deal with these fucks?
Non-spears have such a ridiculous time hitting them if they just keep jogging because of that shitty grab animation

>>135875210
Don't do it, that last bonfire only leads to regret and frustration.
Only seek it out if you're sure it won't retroactively sour your opinion on the DLC.

>>135876008
in 2? Fast running attacks are the only good way to punish runners and it;s still not great. A big reason of why the spinning meta became so big is because there's no real way to punish passive disengaging like that.

>>135875862
>Great bosses

Well, 2/5 are great. Ludwig and Orphan. Literally two of the best franchise bosses.

1/5 is mediocre but saved by beautiful arena and music and setting. And a cute NPC who should bear my children. Maria.

2/5 are garbage. Laurence and Living Failures.

>>135875850
>different things made by different people are treated differently

SHOCKING

>>135875803
It's not just that.

Souls can only keep you from Hollowing, but what's really causes the procces is losing your will. The Player Character never hollows since he has the willpower of a fucking Arisen hellbent on getting his heart back.

>>135875589
Shackled by falsehoods, they yearn for love, unaware of its grand illusion.
All men trust so fully the illusion of life. But is this so wrong?

Summed up the choice at the end of DS1 really when all is said and done.

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>>135876212
>Orphan of Kos
>one of the best bosses in the franchise

>>135875559
Yes, but you'll hate the last boss fight. Everything else is fucking great.

>>135875980
No, I'm predicting that that will happen.

We all know it will.

They're gonna analyze the fuck out of shit like:

>A terribly worn shirt/manchettes.
>Men are fond of weaving tales to explain the raggedness of their garb.
>"My sixth sense warned me of danger, and I danced between flurries of blades unscathed, but alas, my clothes went to tatters."

Or

>or perhaps as a channeling of the original owner's industrious efforts

And write essays on how deep the lore is just like that BB faggot who wrote that bloated 90 page document on BB's lore.

>>135876280
This happens in Demon's Souls too.

>>135876212
I don't like Laurence very much but I don't think it's garbage, and living failures are also good due to the whole aesthetic.

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who thought this was a good idea

>>135875559
>Yo /dsg/ merged with /bbg/ right?
this has to be bait, right?

>>135875823
Its worth it, just cheese it with Craftman's Hammer and you can get through Aldia in a handful of hours, and then just Soul Vessel into the build you want.
>>135875873
>>135875873
Oh ok

>>135875974
>>135876107
It won't retroactively make me hate it, since if its as bad as you guy's have hyped I can just alt tab and leave the memories alone.

I heard the boss is the worst of the 3 DLC optionals though

>>135876339
Not the same anon, but I agree with him. Orphan is one of the best bosses of the franchise, along with Ludwig, Gehrman, Fume Knight, Sir Alonne, Artorias, O&S and Manus.

>>135876280
The PC goes hollow when you give up on that character/delete it.

Or at least it's heavy implied that this is the case.

>>135876457
Nobody, but they did it anyway because the game was a rushjob.

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>>135874703
>"Ahh, sweet child of Kos, returned to the ocean..."
>"A bottomless curse, a bottomless sea. Accepting of all that there is... and can be."

>>135876504
O&S is overrated. Turn yourself invincible with Cheat Engine and look at Ornstein's AI sometime.

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>>135876212
>And a cute NPC who should bear my children. Maria

>>135876386
>BB faggot who wrote that bloated 90 page document on BB's lore.

That happened?

>>135874703
Poor kitty.

>>135876212
None of the fights in the DLC are garbage. Even Living Failures are above shit tier because they can actually pose a threat to half of the builds in the game.

>>135876457
>pop two of the cheapest lifegems for a net loss of 600 HP
>casually waltz through, disregarding the poison
HARDEST GAME EVERRR

>>135876841
Does this make the area less shit?
The answer is no.

>>135876668
Where have you been?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JL5acskAT_2t062HILImBkV8eXAwaqOj611mSjK-vZ8/edit

>>135876668
Yeah.
Also some feminist wrote an essay on how Towers of Latria are a symbolic representation of rape.

>>135876457
I always wear the bell helmet here on NG+. I swear those things aim for the head.

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>mfw Super Orni keep spamming his AoE
>mfw the already half health Solare keeps charging into it
>mfw ive run out of Resin because ive tried the boss so many times
>mfw im starting to run out of Humanity
>mfw ive spent almost all of my recourses trying and failing to kill this boss
>mfw the bosses can only get worse

>>135875210
Also yeah DO NOT DO IT.
If you felt good about the ending for the game here then just end it, that area is really fucking bullshit and the boss even more so, you don't even get anything too good for doing it, come back to it in like a week if you really want to so the good feeling at the end of the DLC is firmly installed into your brain, go to the area and learn why everyone hates it.

Kind of a shame about the way that DLC, for the Loyce Greatsword which looks rad as shit has a good moveset and 100% DEX scaling you have to go through that bonfire and fight the worst boss
You have to run half way through it to get the Ring of the Living which is a fun phantom item
You have to get 50 fucking loyce souls from the Charred knights to get the non-burnt Ivory set, Ivory Kings set and Eleum Loyce, the curved sword with an R2 that heals you if you hit an enemy or a friendly phantom/host if you hit them on top of S DEX scaling.

>>135877015
1. Kill Ornstien first
2. O&S is arguably the hardest non-DLC boss encounter

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I've done this much damage to the tip of his middle tail, why won't it give me the goddamn sword.

>>135876958
You could also just roll, or use a shield, or halberd spin2win through the statues.
Still less shit than Valley of Defilement.

>>135876504
OandS are awful, the only difficulty of the fight comes from fighting two enemies at once, when you get them to their super forms both of them are pathetically easy. I don't understand why people rate that fight so highly. Any fight that relies on multiple enemies to be challenging is fundamentally flawed. Smough is fucking retarded too, and does nothing but bounce around.

>>135876972
"But I always found that there was something missing in Dark Souls: the unknown."
Well, this is already retarded. Thanks for the cringe material!

>>135877003
Spoonfeed me anon, where is this essay?

>>135876482
>I heard the boss is the worst of the 3 DLC optionals though
Yeah the the last bonfire leads to that bossfight.
The leadup area while having an interesting gimmick has some really annoying enemies and you will hate if when you come to realize how long it is and you have to do it + a loading screen every time you want to attempt the boss.

For real get summons for that shit

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>>135877003
>feminist
>symbolic representation of rape

What else is new?

>>135877126
At least I can't go hollow anymore.

R-r-r-right

>>135877176

I think you're not hitting it right, you have to hit the very tip of it. The hitbox for it is pretty small.

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How to make spells not suck:

Treat them the same as weapon movesets, Reasonable damage instead of wtfdamage.

There are no more spells or spell slots. Spells are now moves that appear on catalysts.

>Dindu's Soul Staff
>r1 very fast chainable soul arrow things as you mash r1
>rolling r1 is a small soul aoe that happens infront of you
>backstep r1 is soul greatsword
>running r1 is some kind of soul spear/lance thing
>r2 is soulmass
>charged r2 is instead a soul geyser like thing
>jumping r2 is a soul shockwave thing that you plant down on the ground
>etcetc

>Dark version of ^ with dark spells instead
>Crystal version but uses more mana per cast

>Nuffin's Pyromancy Flame
>r1 is quick mini blade like combustions infront of you
>rolling r1 is great combustion
>running r1 is like an immolation run thing where you leave a trail of fire
>r2 is great fireball
>charged r2 is firestorm
>jumping r2 is like fire snake
>etc etc

>King WeWuz's Chime
>r1 is like mini wrath of the gods faith shockwaves infront of you like combustion
>r2 is heavenly thunder
>charged r2 is wrath of the gods
>running r1 is lightning lance
>rolling r1 is shockwave
>etc etc

>You start finding hybrid versions
>a pyro flame that's green and casts poison versions of all it's moveset with reduced ar, poison firestorm etc
>a staff that halve's all mp but casts a spell moveset of every element type


Why is it still just these hokey casts far removed from the games great combat system for melee?

Do we have to wait for Wizard Souls to be a thing where they finally make magic good and freeform?

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>>135876386
While I think Miyazaki's games are pretty clever, well written and full of commentary and deep lore, it's pretty easy to see when someone is full of shit trying to use it to his own merit of interpretation skill instead of to just appreciate the game more.

>>135877186
>You could also just roll, or use a shield, or halberd spin2win through the statues
I don't give a fuck, I never said that I have problems with the area, I said that it's BAD.
It's nothing but a straight corridor with 200 statues spammed all over the place, if you think that this is good level design, please eat broken glass.

>>135877015
how about you get gud and stop summoning?

>>135877350
I honestly believe rape would fix the feminist problem.

>>135877134
>1. Kill Ornstien first
Super Smough is harder though, he's not oversized to the point where 80% of his attacks miss if you stay underneath his legs and his buttslam has 300% the AoE size of Ornstein's.

>>135877134
honestly. and i know this may be a bit counter intuative. but i want the Orni gear.
i know that super Smough is easier, but i really want that stuff. i have a dex build and i want the dragonslayer's spear for it

>>135877553
>even Living Failures
no

>>135876841
Actually its a net loss of like 60 hp if you don't time the lifegems badly
Poison is like 1060 damage and ticks as slowly as a lifegem heals, a 300 soul lifegem heals for 500, if you pop one after the other ends you will only lose 60 health, BUT if you pop 2 at the same time they will outheal the damage, and once your HP reaches max the healing effects of both lifegems will be cancelled.

>>135877380
Nigga you will go hollow in rape horse valley and beating it won't even feel satisfying.
You can summon vengrals head to make it easier on yourself if you beat his body but even then that area is just not good

>>135877205
>Any fight that relies on multiple enemies to be challenging is fundamentally flawed.
The shit casuals say, my god.

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>>135877315
>>135877350
https://coreymilne.wordpress.com/2014/07/24/demons-souls-the-tower-of-hate/
Here you are.

>>135877751
Wearing a blessed crown though.

Going to give it two solid tries

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>>135877486
>The things you know are based on what stick you're holding

Thanks be to Umbasa that you're not in charge of anything.

>>135877846
I've beaten them at SL1, it's not a good fight, deal with it. No amount of Onlyafro meme spouting will make you right. Get back to youtube.

>>135876386
Lorecrafting used to be so much fun in DeS because the game actually offered solid frameworks. Starting with DaS's over the top ambiguousness, any fanfic became valid.
Fuck this shit.

>>135877886

>you're a master swordsman by so much as picking up a weapon
>you know every flourish and can mimic boss techniques down to the magical explosion shit if your weapon is made from them

shut up you dumb nigger

>>135877886
Sorry I like fun anon

Maybe you could instead have spells and staves have a unique upgrade system where you assign what spell happens on what move? You Attune the staff, in a sense.

>>135877886
Not even him, but it's not an inherently flawed idea depending on presentation. You could think of it as "magic" in itself being an inherent power, and distinct spells only coming out when focused through a particular lens in the form of a catalyst.
Basically Warframe.

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>>135873041
Anybody have the description of this ?

>>135877871
Report back then and give a rating of 1-made me hate the DLC, because so far I have not found a single person that liked that DLC

>>135877513
What I find even more depressing than Marshall Carpenter's autistic comment there are the 30 other autists who gave him a thumbs up. The Soulsborne fanbase is sometimes just absolutely embarrassing.

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>>135876212
Maria is one of the best fights in the series, what are you talking about? Try it on a difficulty higher than NG or don't be horribly overleveled for the DLC on NG and you'll see why. It's on par with Gehrman

Living Failures is a great fight dude, it's not possible to cheese and it's an example of an add fight done right--in contrast to the terrible add fights in Dark Souls 2

>mfw the music change when the meteor phase begins

Bloodborne's bosses with the DLC are overall much better than Dark Souls or Dark Souls 2; not including DLC it's the same story. From has hit their stride by now

>>135877982
You never said what's inherently wrong with multi-bosses, all you've done is shitpost incoherently.

best waifu armor?

>>135878174
>lucatiel's set
>high curse resist
Doesn't feel right.

>>135878285
>it's not possible to cheese
>lawn mowing with pizza cutter intesifies

>>135878104

or the souls team can just accept that most(all) miracle, sorcery etc nuke spells are only good in pve and become balanced in damage the more NG++++ the game becomes

nerfing endgame spell damage from like 1800 to 400 in a game where boss health can more than quadruple is fucking short-sighted idiocy design that makes it worthless the more you progress content

ds1/ds2 spellcasting mechanics are perfectly simple the way they are, but they keep needlessly fucking over the damage just because one of the retard developers got caught by a soulspear during an invasion

THREE FUCKING WEEKS, ONE FUCKING DAY AND ONE FUCKING HOUR

>>135878357
maria set

>>135878007
>master swordsman
>slow telegraphed baseball swings
>stumbling like a retard after swinging a sword that weighs 3-5 kilograms at the very extreme most
Souls protagonists fight like someone who has never even seen a weapon in their life.

>>135877486
>Wizard Souls

Basically this is what I'm expecting the next PS4 exclusive is. Just like how they made a game entirely about being a no shield dodge only fag, they'll make a game where there literally is no melee at all, it's all magic movesets and you're fighting wizards in epix sik battles.

That or it's souls+armour core for some kind of ghost in the shell evangelion thing.

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>>135877478
i'm really really sure i hit the furthest edge of the tip this time. Not enough damage? I count 1.5 pips.

>>135878456
Who cares about the lore, its medium armor so it can't give high physical resistance or poise so might as well give it good status resist.

>>135878456
Well, to be fair, we have no idea how long was she resisting the curse.
Besides, Lucatiel lacked a coherent goal in life, like Andre pounding and perfecting that fucking estoc for 3 games now.

>>135878285
>unironically defending Living Failures
Holy shit, Sonyggers are literally autistic.

>>135877992
I actually think DaS is a lot more straightforward than DeS. For me his most "ambiguous" game is Bloodborne, and even then a lot of things are clearly stated.

>>135878504
2 FUCKING DAYS 17 FUCKING HOURS AND 9 FUCKING MINUTES

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>>135878667
Where the fuck are Seath's wings?
Where are his textures?

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>>135876648
why are wobbly mouths so arousing holy shit

>>135878667
that's only ~11% of his health.

Tail cuts require 15% damage on tail.

>>135878724
Blacksmithing in general seems to be good for staving off the mental effects of hollowing. Look at Lenigrast, guy looks like he's rotting but he's perfectly eloquent and has less brain problems than his daughter.

>>135878560
This actually touches on one of the things I fucking hated in Dark Souls 2. Your character in that game swings around weapons like he's trying to perform in some cirque do soleil bullshit performance art. It's completely impractical; why the fuck would I be twirling around my mace when I can just bash it on niggas like I'm nailing a hammer? The other Souls games are so much better with weapon animations.

>>135878007
>you're a master swordsman by so much as picking up a weapon

Most of the classes in every Souls game come from a background where they have seen or studied combat.

>>135878104
I am also a fan of fun, I just don't think that magic should be butchered. Stick with weapons that have special attacks and leave magic to the people who actually want to use magic.

>>135878504
poor cuck
dsg will be spoiler spiral in 3 days and you'll have nothing to do

>>135878893
they're clipping into the wall there. he has his back against it

>>135878667

Yeah that's not enough damage. In your first screenshot you would have cut his tail with the damage you did.

>>135877553
I liked how a lot of bosses have weak points. Makes the boss feel like a living thing rather than giant hitbox.
> watch dog's nose and legs.
> Ludwig 's eyemouth
> Ebietras' head
> undead giant pus bags
I really hope DS3 brings in things like that.

>>135878893
they're clipping through the cave walls

>>135878759
the fight itself sucked but the music that played during the fight was god tier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd3l4aUnWPg

So who's the best Soulsborne uploader, /dsg/ ?

>>135878964
>making magic fun and an actual moveset system that can chain and combo into other spells and allow freeform spell casting is butchering it

Butcher that shit up then please. Watching the Sorceror fight Ludex is was painfully obvious what's not progressed since Demon's. Just standing there doing the same stupid soul arrow over and over again while you can't move.

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>>135878898

>>135878759
For an add fight it's done really well and it poses a genuine threat to a lot of builds

If you could hypothetically get the protagonists from every souls game together in a room, would they be friends? which one would win in a fight?

>>135878959
Ironically enough the retarded swings kind of made more sense in DS2 because of the abundance of absolutely fuckhuge weapons (which brought its own fair share of problems in the realism department), DS1 tried to keep it to a much more realistic size so they retarded full body swings with longswords made even less sense

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>>135879151
Our beloved German mascot obviously.

>>135878639
Isn't that what Soul Sacrifice is?

>>135870830
I want to fuck that frog

>>135878959
Oh boy you will fucking hate DaS3's weapon arts.

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>>135875210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKsmApkryNY

>mfw fighting the Burnt Ivory King for the first time

I hope Dark Souls III will have great bosses to fight and slay.

>>135878964
>>135878560
>waah why are these movesets not realistic :^(
plague fuck OFF

>>135879267
Good hunter spams evelyn at them from a distance and wins with his insane iframes and dashes and 4k riposte damage.

>>135879336
I'll be honest I wish I had the ability to give so few fucks as to actually wear full black with a fashion chain and a cane.

>>135879426
Yes.

>>135879426
Soul Sacrifice is nothing like Souls.

>>135877205
Sounds to me like you just don't appreciate a good challenge. Try unlocking sometime.

>>135878285
Not him but, IMO her design is OP and her moves feel like a platinum game character but the problem is she is the easiest boss of the DLC and one of the easiest boss of the whole game.

>>135878639
>That or it's souls+armour core for some kind of ghost in the shell evangelion thing.
I would be more than okay with this.

>>135879151
Obobobo sadly

THE NIGHT BRIMS WITH DEFILED SCUM

>>135879279
An actual longsword is really fucking heavy dude, you're going to put a lot of your body into each swing especially if it's like the bastard sword or claymore in Dark Souls. The Zweihander especially is going to be really, really fucking heavy and the way it's swung in Dark Souls makes perfect sense

>>135879463
I have no issues with the moves not being realistic, the issue is that that guy claimed the souls protagonist was "a master swordsman"

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>>135878959
DaS2 honestly had a tiny handful of more realistic animations than DaS1, most notably the follow-through into an ochs guard stance after certain Greatsword class weapon moves.
DaS1 just had you swing every sword around like a metal pipe.

Coincidentally this stance returns in DaS3 yet again, this time as a part of certain Battle Arts.

>>135879479
>implying that chosen undead couldn't humiliate that gun spam with the DWGR

>>135879491
It's not that he doesn't give a fuck, he actually thinks he's cool.

>>135879494
Such a good game. Best presentation I've seen in a while.

>>135877846
I think that if a fight relies on multiples of the same enemy, it is pretty bad. But OandS is good imo because there's 2 enemies who are fundamentally different, and the order in which you defeat them changes the latter portion of said bossfight.

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>>135879457
>dancer's theme is uploaded on youtube
>no OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOHOHHOHOHO theme
that really borked my bojangles

>>135879684
No, he's saying that you pickup weapons for the first time and suddenly know how to use them.

It was a point argueing against the guy saying the idea of spells being moveset based was a shit idea because the spells are not "you" they're the staff itself, but that's how weapons work anyway.

The weapon's dictate the moveset, not your own ability.

Any fathavel cunt can pickup the new dual scimitars and do the fucking circus flips like he's a master.

>>135879649
>An actual longsword is really fucking heavy dude
No no its not.
It really really really really really really really isn't and the way the souls protagonist uses them really really really really isn't the way to wield a sword either.

>>135879649
>an actual longsword is really fucking heavy, dude
>an actual longsword is really fucking heavy
>really fucking heavy
>really
>fucking
>heavy
>""""heavy""""""
>longsword
no

longswords were 2-5 lbs

>>135879185
>Magic limited by catalysts and physical actions
>freeform spell casting

It's like you don't even know what you want.

what does vaati look like? if hes not a 6ft alpha male im disappointed

>>135879692
>Hollowslayer GS with a new move set
Can't wait

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>>135879649
>I have literally no fucking idea what I'm talking about
A Zweihänder weighs 2kg to less than 4kg, depending. That is not at all heavy enough to cause screen-shaking smashes like you're swinging a car around, or to warrant those exaggerated animations. A longsword is even lighter than that. Your out-of-shape ass could swing it better than your Souls character.

>>135879878
>No, he's saying that you pickup weapons for the first time and suddenly know how to use them.
But thats the thing, you don't you are swinging them around like a retard that just found a nice stick.

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>>135871232
>unf club
>not ugh axe

>>135879479
How many iframes do you get in BB?

>>135876482
The boss is actually really good.

The problem is getting to the boss is a load of shit.

I hope you like horsecock.

>>135879986
There's an old video from DaS2's pre release promo stuff where he makes an on-camera appearance. He's a scrawny white guy with a crew cut and a long neck. Lanky like an awkward teenager.

>>135880090
I don't think it's wise to start claiming that weapon movesets are "canon," because they're created solely for reasons of game balance, not accuracy

>>135879876
Dancer's theme was in the network test, Morty's theme isn't. The only songs we have so far are the character creation, title screen, firelink shrine and dancer songs.

>>135879694
But dark wood grain ring is literally nothing compared to the bloodborne dashes, both in speed, distance, recovery and iframes.

>>135879982
>Limited
>Except for the fact that the catalyst itself would have a huge array of spells for every kind of moveset
>You could equip 3 in each hand for every spell type and effectively have like most of the games spells at your disposal, given you have the mana
>The casting will be chainable and done while moving etc

You're kind of annoying me now. I don't like that magic is still the same shit of some dumb stat just to equip them, and then standing still casting like a muppet with no combo's or fun or anything.

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Someone give me some tips on beating this faggot. I'm getting so fucking mad.

BL4
+10 Cleaver
+5% HP
+10% HP
+4% Phys Reduction

>>135879692
Also most of the sword backstabs made a hell of a lot more sense in DS2 in terms of what they did but looked more silly.
Cutting someones legs and then their neck makes far more sense than trying to thrust your sword through their armor and into their back with 0 distance between you and them.

>>135879446
It honestly depends way more on how accurate the hitbox is and whether or not it feels like my attacks are going to hit my enemy

Since this game is directed by Miyazaki and looks like it's using Bloodborne's engine I doubt the combat and weapon swings will feel like shit

>>135880337
>trying to beat him on bl4 without chalice gems
good luck buddy

>>135880337
parry, then unload stamina bar instead of visceral

>>135879606
>you a ghost in a shell
>The shell is a humanoid android made up of a thin, almost skeletal, frame
>NPCs can become "a hollow shell" and invasive wireless signals make them hostile to you
>armour and builds are based off of "Parts" you equip

I was thinking of it kind of like Medabots, where you have the Tinpet(frame) and then a left arm part, a right arm part, a head+torso part, and leg parts. I think it could be a cool game.

>>135878186
I found the key, now I need to remember where the door is

>>135880247
I really don't care either way, point remains that the souls protagonist is an absolute retards when it comes to weapons and can only remotely use a rapier.

It doesn't matter to me but it is something I will point out if someone claims that your character knows how to use weapons.

>>135879491
Judging by the clothing of everyone else it looks like it was a hot day, so that guy must be sweating and smelly.

>Playing DaS3 as a sorceror
>When bow's are now OP as shit

Nice try getting any spells off without taking a bunch of arrows. Shitting on mages is going to be better than ever.

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now this is epic as fuck :DDDD

>>135880579
what am I supposed to be seeing here

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>>135880490
H-h-h-here I go!

>>135880337
Take him to the stairs until he leashes and tries to walk backwards to his spawn point then unload poison knives on him.

>>135880490
Second bonfire, follow it along until you find the first shield + lance large enemy, turn left after him to the 3 hollows + lancer

>>135880718
you're in for a bad time

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>>135880549
>poison arrows with that machinegun bow art

>>135880045
>screen-shaking
I'll never understand the boners it gets. I mean it's a floating camera, so the world itself would shake which is anime bullshit. Also it's the same kind of flashy shit like lens flare, ghost orbs, strawberry jam and chromatic abomination.
DaSbabbies are literally skyrim audience.

>>135880481
but how would you integrate the traditional, decayed world of souls games into a scifi setting (without making it seem like a metroid ripoff)

Guy who can't Seathe's tail here, got it finally after hiring a summon. He immediately died after getting the sword so I find that okay.

>>135880370
I also unironically like the backpunch for the simple reason that it gives the victim a reason to simply stand there and take it, unlike DeS/DaS1/DaS3 where they reset into a casual neutral stance for no apparent reason a good half-second before the attack hits them.
BB was also fine due to charge attacks.

>>135879457
I thought Ivory King was very boring.
There's really nothing special about him.

where should I go to summon erotic roleplay phantoms in ds2?

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>>135880718
hope you like horses

>>135881003
the trash