/tosg/ - Tree of Savior General

>real dragoon
>not wearing armors made of dragons

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Guys, wich server are we going to play?

>>135609502
Saule with all my BRos

>>135609450
>armour
>20th century

Gonna be honest here. ToS community is fucking dogshit.

>>135609612
thanks for your valuable input.

>>135609612
this desu senpai

>>135609612
See you in lirpa

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>>135609612
Thanks for the feedback~
I will forward this to our Dev team.

I wonder if they ever fixed the horribad optimization issues...

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>>135609907
No XD

>BRs getting blown the fuck out
>region locks
>poorfags already btfo

this is amazing

>>135609612
was great during icbt

>>135610051
>things that didnt happen

How are things going today thread of shills general?

>>135609465
>Trust Level basic user
They don't trust a BR.

>In Brazilian culture, Gérson's Law (Portuguese: Lei de Gérson) is an adage which reflects the way Brazilians behave towards themselves, immortalizing concepts such as jeitinho and malandragem. In short, Gérson's Law is taking advantage of every thing and every one and having no concern for ethics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9rson%27s_law

>>135609612
Correction: iToS

>>135610189
Bought my 3 DLCs. Feels good man.

>>135609612
And you're contributing to it with your shitposting.

>>135610189
>m-muh sport cars xd

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>>135610245
>Bought my 3 DLCs. Feels good man.
legit

>>135610492
>not CUTE

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>>135610051
>>135610148
Things that will actually happen!

i would pay 1000 USD if i could start playing now

>Major Characteristics :

>Distinct Style
>Massive Scale
>Degree of Freedom
>Team Battle League ( PVP Content )
>Guild War
>80 character classes, 10 changeable (upon opening)
>Some classes are made difficult to acquire by hiding it or making it have particular conditions
>Players do not need to follow the fixed routes

Has there ever been company full of shit?

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>>135610826
>Degree of Freedom

>>135610679
If thats true I could sell 50$ packs for 30$

>>135610826
Digital Extremes
Chucklefish
Ubisoft

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>>135610826
>Players do not need to follow the fixed routes

>>135610826
They have one month to implement, fix and improve all those announced features before the poor-to-play masses flood in and doom the game with shit reviews.

>>135610826
>Distinct Style
true
>Massive Scale
quite true
>Degree of Freedom
maybe
>Team Battle League ( PVP Content )
shitty mess, but yes
>Guild War
yes
>80 character classes, 10 changeable (upon opening)
55
>Some classes are made difficult to acquire by hiding it or making it have particular conditions
>hiding anything in current year
>not even difficult
>Players do not need to follow the fixed routes
yes but it's extremely inefficient

overall 4/10

http://store.steampowered.com/app/372000/

Did they really not have any new pictures of the game to use for their steam store? theses are literally from like 2014 with a shitty looking UI. way to confuse/turn off new players IMC. Honestly when I see a dog shit UI I automatically assume the game is going to be shit.

>>135610490
>warframe
lol

>>135611172
>overall 4/10
Spot the shill.
Nihao staff_cuck.

I'm at a loss here lads, which one should I make, tanky fencer or Zweihänder doppel? What are the advantages and disadvantages of both?

>>135610986
Not tradable or giftable.

>>135611436
Ask reddit.

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>game hasn't released yet and it already has 6 bots running around

great gaem

>>135611742
>I'm only allowed to shitpost here
k

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>>135611878
here's your (you)

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>>135611926
>Please spoonfeed me
No. go bàck to reddit

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why do BRs think that if you make fun of their stupid monkey country you will go to jail?

>>135611926
see
>>135612009

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>>135611878
>>135606887
It is me and Mango :X

Ethan is watching, what a perv :O

>>135612057
They go to jail all the time, is nothing strange to them.

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Anyone wants a good build? I can sell you one, I can hook you up.

>>135612504
YOU FINALLY GOT A LAPTOP?

>>135612504
>watchgintama

>>135612057
Because if you make fun of their stupid monkey country in their country you go to jail.

Their lack of education leads them to believe their jurisdiction extends to the whole world, though.

how the fuck do I buy this piece of shit game

So how does this token for extra dungeon runs shit work?

>>135613105
This shit is actually a crime in South America? Talking shit about their shit country can land you in jail?

>>135613236
do you lack a functioning brain by any chance?

>>135613153
it's out of stock. try again next month.

http://mmoculture.com/2016/03/tree-of-savior-traditional-chinese-server-announced-for-taiwan/

Anyone aware that Taiwan server is announced?

>tokens are more or less a monthly fee

dead on arrival

>>135613469
F R E E 2 P L A Y
2
P

Everyone start writing reviews.

What am I supposed to do? 50 is a life time bargain that will make me a king to boot. But its a ruse at the same time and I hate being rused more that anything.

>>135613563
"Free" to play

>>135613464
help us
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/petition-to-protest-omg-as-tw-hk-cn-publisher/151599

>>135613464
old news, reddit-chan

>>135613678
just refund that shit so IMC goes broke

>>135613469
see you in a month

>>135613716
I'll being seeing you in tears when this game dies.

>>135613713
>no refunds

>>135613828
>when this game dies
See you in 2020

>>135613828
see you in a month poor chan

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>Available: "3 - 2016"
>3rd quarter 2016
>The third quarter 2016 begins on Friday, July 1
>and ends on Friday, September 30
see all of you in July or August or September

https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/bot-information/151807
>I'd just like to clear a few things on BOTs and why it is unlikely to eliminate them in any game, despite a developer's best efforts.
>I am not an expert, but I am a computational biologist and I have written several LUA scripts for League
>computational biologist

>>135609612
>Gonna be honest here. ToS community is fucking dogshit.

True. There's no difference between this general, reddit and the official forums.

>>135614063
3 means March 2016 you dumb chinese cartoon boy

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>>135614149
Sure, and "soon" does not mean "in 3 weeks"

See you in July or August or September

>>135614089
>several League of Shitstains LUA scripts

this kid needs to uninstall life

>>135614089

>computer biologist

I bet that BR just made that term up

>>135614089
>>135614275
>He doesn't know about bioinformatics

>>135614089
>>135614275
it's another term for software engineer

>>135613704
Heh, I'm not a faggot 24/7
Also, I didn't see this on reddit

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Is this build ok? I only play during icbt.

http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/ghtltv3shl/

regarding [Desmodus] skill, is it homing target skill or just manual shoot bats infront of the caster?

>>135613469

poorfag pls leave

>>135614532
Hope you're ready to spend all your money on mana pots/10

>>135613469
they are.
and that is months old news.

>>135614532
>I only play during icbt.
>eq 5, no lethargy, no bolt
didnt read further

>$20 for a token alone
Thanks weed man
Sasuga IMC

>>135613693
Shet, didn't know that

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What happened to this?

>>135614627
they are cheap afaik since alchemist are jewing each other.

>>135614680
help me senpai

>>135614734
yes

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>>135614734
Icon looks like >pic
https://tos.neet.tv/items/641331
>Drug_Alche_ATKBooster10
>Drug_Alche
https://tos.neet.tv/items?q=Attack+Booster

Tested them a while ago. 1 Booster for each Attack. Does not work with Skills.

>>135614734
no

>>135614960
Supposed to be some sort of pardoner skill though
https://tos.neet.tv/skills/40807

>>135614809
Here you go.
http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/ja6o8th469/

>>135615040
ohh didnt know that. But that skill is not ingame?
Maybe recycled as Alchem item

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>He thought this was going to be the savior of MMOs

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#11226699.354555.1121364a557582.1141556593a5ba.152131415a627585

Help

>>135614532
HOLY SHIT SAME BUILD WITH MINE.
See you in-game anon.

>>135615260
>m mu- muhh spiritual RO successor

>>135615260
>>135615337
see you in a month

>>135615161
>But that skill is not ingame?
Not linked to any classes so not available ingame.

>>135615136
(Wizzard) Max SINGLETARGET DPS build when

>>135615524
but anon, they're opening new servers

so we'll get a fresh start anyway while you rot away on yours

Hey
What gives
It's on steam but I can't add it or buy it

What's going on

>"3 - 2016"
>3rd quarter 2016
see you in august

>>135615524
See you in the real server

>>135615524
see you in July-Sept

>>135615647
They banned some players that spammed #flagged on their Greenlight page.

Sorry anon.

>>135615665
>>135614063
ikr

>>135615284
>skyliner

>estimated price per 100 funbux is 9 dollars
>tokens cost 200 funbux
>tokens are only monthly
>nearly 20 dollar monthly fee for full access to the game per month

dead on arrival

>>135615752
What does #flagged mean? They flagged the game?

So is the game finished or what?

If anyone played KTOS can you give insight? I don't know if I'm buying a game or beta testing a freemium game here.

>>135615849
please

>poorfags are somehow still upset
lmao even 10 dollars is too much for them

>>135615861
>tokens cost 200 funbux
was that even confirmed?

>game will never buy to play without cash jew shop pay2win bullshit

>>135615906
Why are you hyping yourself, just wait for the REAL MAGA server to open in July :^)

>>135615870
Yup. Some of the players flagged the game and spammed "#flagged". Maybe you are one of them.

It's a hot topic in the forums right now. Several can't buy the game.

>>135615998
Buy 2 play games without cash shops don't exist in 2016

>>135615906
>So is the game finished or what?
Balance is shit, they are adding quests, maps and content in general in each patch, so yeah, game isn't finished

>>135616041
Everyone is mad of course, IMC ruined their fun.

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>>135615861
Yep. Thought the same. I mean I really like the game but I doubt I'll be burning 10$ + possibly other cash shop jewy stuff they'll add that will probably be required if you want to keep up with high level guild content. Maybe something like buying one month, getting your fill and then dropping it until you get a craving of MMORPGs again.

I don't remember ever paying this much in other MMORPGs.

>>135616172
Welp, see you in June then.

Wait, you can actually buy Talt with real money?

>>135616265
Nigga what

>>135616192

>Being this fucking poor

Nobody is going to miss you anon, IMC sure won't.

>>135616192
bye poorfag

>>135616192
maybe because you only played f2p trash games all your life poorfag

>>135616232
Heck, if people could control their boners, they would surely wait for the new server.

IMC is smart in tempting cashfags with early access to buy their game.

>>135616265
lolipan pls

>>135616192
>>135616567
See you in July-Sept

>>135616567
>MUH NEW SERVER

poorfags are still this delusional lmao

>>135616461
>>135616479
>>135616529
This is not your safespace. If you feel triggered, you are free to leave.

>>135616567
>Cashfags
No, just dumbasses. Everyone who matters or has cash have already bought a kTOS account and understand the state the game is in.

>game is free and $20 a month to level faster

fucking shitlord racists what a jew wow pls die

>>135616627
>>135616663
>they think they won't release a new server for the free to play players

but isn't this what you want?

imagine you'll have you own server to play on by your richfag selves

Anyone remembers what were the CBT testers supposed to get?

>>135616627
>>135616663
See you in 3 months. I'm going linker pyro and maybe chrono in later circles.

@135616725
No (You) for (You)

>poorfags on massive damage control now that Option A didn't win
I am laughing.

>>135616265
in-game money.
but if you buy token and then sell for silver then use the silver to buy talt then technically it's buying talt with real money.

>>135616895
>Damage control

What exactly are we damage controlling m80?

things we know

>20 dollar monthly fee
>IMC will open a new server when the game goes free to play

so

what exactly are we damage controlling?

>>135616809
railed.

>>135616192

>too poor to afford $ 10

how do you even have internet?
did you steal that one as well?

>>135616895
You lost to your urges, you actually lost m8, you're the one who is doing damage control here.

>>135616985
If you weren't damage controlling you wouldn't be so mad about richfags.

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>>135615861
Are these prices final? That's more than any MMO I've played just for basic features and the game is still in beta phase.

Is this going to last?

>>135616985
see you in june on your empty fresh server

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>>135616809
one of these

>they think the new server will be more populated than the founder server

I don't even have a smug enough anime girl for this

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itt: archeage is doing great

>>135617090
>>135617180
See you in the new server

>>135617180
>he thinks brand new players are going to play on an old server and not a new one

more money than sense

don't worry though

i'm sure for a cool 50 dollars you can transfer your character

>>135616725
>level faster
And the ability to trade, train more attributes, use the market.

>>135617323
Free players don't have sense, just like you.

>>135616192
I think the game is still playable even if you don't buy that token shit, you are going to take a bit longer leveling but, still once you reach max level it won't matter anyways

>>135615136
well thanks.

>>135615289
so how are you going to put skills on it?

>>135617357
See you in June

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>>135617246
Most people here have 25 buffs of shitposting maximization.

>>135617323
people always play on the most populated servers

it's ridicolous how out of touch with reality you are

>>135617362
>still once you reach max level it won't matter anyways
>Market
>Attributes
>Dungeon/Mission (for silver+items)
>more ET entry
>1 to 1 Trade (maybe in iTOS)
and more

>Tokens being sold for 1.5kk on AH

Dropped.

See you on the next MMORPG.

tfw you will never stick your polished rod up Grita's hot cloaca. Why even live?

it's actually ingenious really

>make early access server
>fill that server with players who you know you can fleece
>open brand new free server
>new players obviously join new server
>old server starts bleeding characters as other server is more populated
>offer character transfers for a fee
>obtain even more shekles

they'd make a rabbi blush

>>135617476
Runecaster casting.webm

>>135617578
You dont, bye poorfag.

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https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/for-brazilians-steam-vs-level-up/151834

>>135617613
>new players obviously join new server

the never ending delusions

>>135617524
lol

just

lol

>>135617561
See you in august.

>it's the Soon type of episode again

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>>135617561
1.8 now

>>135617530
>more ET entry
oh yes, forgot that

>Option B won
>Implying that isn't IMC voting for B

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>>135617613
>new players obviously join new server
People actually believe this fucking kek

>>135617732
i'm sure you have a lot of experience of playing populated mmos

o wait, you are a pathetic poorfag who never played anything revelant except some private server with 1k players

lmao

>>135617458
Wiz: 1 on Energy Bolt, Lethargy. 3 on Sleep.
Same Cryo and Link.
Sorc: Remove Attack Ground. Hold would do just fine.
Salamion on 1 for Summoning LVL15

Is this foken shit live or not? Can't access steam from work.

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>>135617561
1.8m and up on kTOS Vakarine

>>135617837
>>135617845
See you in June d:^)

>>135617960
non third world people don't start in june :^)

>>135617937
>Vakarine
ded server familia

>richfags realizing just how ripped off their getting
>now they're going into full panic mode
>you'll just be chilling playing other games while you wait for the best server to be released

>>135617561
>>135617786
>>135617937
>poorfags too poor to farm 2kk in one month

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>>135617934
yes it is

69 names my team

>>135617530
well, none of those kill the game for me

>>135618086
I'd rather see it as a "private server" at this point

>>135618060
See you in June

>>135617937
>>135617561
1.5m per fucking month is a lot to you? Fucking really?

Also
>"kk" instead of "m"
So it's a BR. Not surpised you are poor and casual on top of that.

Hahahahhahahhahaaha pooorfags getting completely dominated ITT

>>135617246
I wonder what happens to the people who rapidly defend a snake oil company when they do this and the game burns. Like do they just quietly slink away, blame the customers, and move on to the next one?

>>135618124
NotARichFag
ThanksMom
ProudPoorFag
CattlyStalker
MiaBestWaifu
TreeOfMoney

https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/reminder-community-etiquette/151838

Julie is cute. CUTE!

>>135618089
>"best" server
>ignoring the delusion that everyone will flock to it
>play with all the monkeys from third world who couldn't pay
>levelling completely fucked for weeks
>no one selling shit in the auction
>can't buy tokens at all because you are all poor
>will forever be months behind in doing content

top lmao poorfag

is this how you guys treat each other ingame

>>135618124
HorseMilker

>>135618089

>The 50$ package has even more value than before


Why would I be in panic mode?

I am a little disappointed that poorfags can play now, but I guess I can live with it. Maybe the token thing will make them quit faster.

>>135618124
Reddit-dono
Siete

>>135618205
so analpained you can't even come up with any response l m a o

>>135618282
this how?

>>135618254
slut

>>135618254
but shes BR

and
>Some of you may have seen me around already, others may haven't. I'm going to try my best to enforce our basic rules and polish the code of conduct so that everyone's on the same track regarding forum monitoring.
>and polish the code of conduct
>polish
SLUT

>>135618124
JustFuckMyTreeUp

>>135618324
>IT HAS MORE VALUE
>5 months worth of tokens
>still have to pay for 7 months
>you're just paying 200 dollars for one year instead of 240

what a deal

>People actually thought $20 tokens would maintain a price that can be earned easily in game

The price is only going to go up as the playerbase normalizes after the initial hype and less players are buying tokens. Only idiots with more money than sense will sell them for anything less than ~10-15 hours worth of grinding money.

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>>135618414
>>135618423
Uhmmm, Please be nice to Julie.

>>135618254
>Please remember that verbally assaulting, degrading, or badgering anybody will have your actions reviewed
But what if i like it?

>>135618254
Mango > Julie > John > Ines

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>>135618089
>panic mode for getting around $140 worth of cash shop for only $50 and early access without BRs as a bonus

l-lol!?

>>135618397
See you in June :^)

>>135618603
we play earlier

>>135618254
Leslie > Apple >Mango > Julie > John > Ines > Ethan > Shawn

ITT: I'm glad IMC is discouraging their audience from joining, dead MMOs are the best

>>135618637
>We
More like (You)


See you in June

>>135618414
>this how
retarded poorfag

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>>135618124
Uchiha

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>>135618692
What about hkkim

>>135618467


Hahaha holy shit, seeing inside the mind of a poorfag is truly a sad thing. It is like watching a homeless man freak out about the cost of a mcdonalds cheeseburger compared to a regular hamburger.

Oh boy, this will be icbt2 pre-saule all over again


https://steamcommunity.com/app/372000/discussions/0/385428458170027628/

>>135618124

faggot

Can anyone explain the "see you in june" thing?

The "see you in a month" made sense because free players can't play in an entire month while founders are playing.

But "see you in june" is like "ill see you when im able to play the game after you already played an entire month"?

How is that an insult?

>>135618778
>60%+ votes
>poorfags this delusional

we play earlier (:

>>135618110
>2kk
your BR is showing

Fellow Eurofags, if there's no EU server for early access, will you still play or wait for an EU server? Or will you play and restart on the EU servers?

>Please remember that verbally assaulting, degrading, or badgering anybody will have your actions reviewed regardless of your intention. Just simply notify any staff member and we'll be able to handle it faster and more accurately.

>>135617879
>1 on Energy Bolt
Kill yourself.

>>135618885
He hasn't posted yet so we can't rate him.

>>135618885
hes JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP Tier and above all other

>>135618907

Because they don't really know when "F2P" officially starts. IMC gave very vague answers that can be interpreted in several ways.

Dumbfags really.

>>135618907
poorfags are stupid

>>135619024
See you in june.

>>135618907
see >>135619189

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>>135619029
No restart needed, Gabija is the designated EU server.

>>135619029
still play and then reroll/transfer

that is assuming the eventual EU server is physically in EU, if it's just a meme server only named EU i don't care

>>135619240
>hauberk
Nice try.

If ArcheAge is any indication BRs are going to still flock in by the thousands.

But more worringly the subscription cost (tokens) are actually more expensive than AA's. I'm pretty worried ToS is going to melt down fast because all the public sees is another pay to get fleeced korean MMO, and all the old players know it's badly unfinished.

>>135619240
>no Ausrine
>no Austeja
>no Gesti
>no Giltine
shit servers. see you in June.

>>135619401
Fuck off Azebu. Hauberk will never be a thing.

>>135619489
>Gesti
ERP server

>>135619454
You can do fine in ToS without token. It's a farce to compare AA P2W shit to ToS, ToS is not P2W, while AA is the most P2W shit on the market, a terrible game.

>>135619510
Why are you namedropping me when quoting someone else? Do you have brain problems?

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REMOVE BR

>>135619676
t. John

>>135619676
The only thing that screws you up, are the market fees, but even with token it screws you when selling things above 1m

>>135619708
>Why are you namedropping me when quoting someone else? Do you have brain problems?
it was a ruse to draw you out of your hidden place, kurwette

Cattly will make threads great again, just wait and see.

>>135619676
>ToS
>not p2w

Did I miss something?

>>135619759

I don't understand what this means.

Are our pure servers going to be plagued by BRs since they won't have Saule?

>Wiz > Cryo1 > Psycho > Linker > Cryo3 > Warlock

Is this gonna work?

>>135619905
You missed trying out the shitload real P2W mmos around to have a basis for comparison and realize ToS is nowhere near P2W.

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>>135619902
Cattly and lolipan.

>>135619240
Laima here I come

>>135620009
explain further

>>135619676
>ToS is not pay to win
>it's just pay to
>do more dungeons
>do more missions
>have to ability to actually trade between players
>able to put up more items on the market for less taxes
>level up two attributes at the same time

game is doa

>comparing tos premium with archeage premium
Don't do this.

>>135619938
>Are our pure servers going to be plagued by BRs since they won't have Saule?

Pretty much going to be like it was in iCBT2 before they added Saule server. A fucking shitfest of insults when any portuguese is seen in chat.

>>135619902
Cattly got banned for 2 months for posting lewds on /v/

>>135620080

>Is there a single thing a person paying can get that a free player can't?

>Nope

Ok then.


If people are referring to RMT, then goodluck finding a single MMO that doesn't have that.

>poorfags whining about pay to "win" in a casualfest mmo

how pathetic can you get

>>135620076
Who the fuck are those fagits

>>135620009
>there's a shit load
>names none

love it

>>135620239
Your spiritual parents

>>135620080
if it doesn't say "buy this to win game" it isnt pay to win, it doesn't matter anymore. even if you could buy god items its not pay to win if you can make those in the game, even if it requires 10 0.001% drop rate items.


this is the new age of gaming, blame mobiles. if you're not happy, leave, poorfag

>>135620173
Except megaphones actually cost money now and there's no chance those dirty tree monkeys are going to pay for one

>labeled as free to play
>but its actually b2p

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March 22 has just been un-confirmed.

Backpedal much?

>>135619676
Don't you need a token to trade? Train multiple attributes at a time? Reduced market fees? On top of that's an exp bonus. You can also straight up buy damage bonus headgear.

To the average player there's very little difference, except that ToS has managed to up the prices.
Nexon just happens to have their dick in it as well and have had a lasting influence onIMC's int. release which I know has turned away people alone.

>>135620217
>trading

looks like you lose

>>135619938
hope you enjoy your fresh f2p server in june :^)

Being poor is a crime in itself you dirty losers haha :D

>>135620470

A free-to-play player can buy tokens with ingame money via auction house.

So still nope.

>>135620128
You can buy token in the market using silvers you goof.

>>135620353
>pay 2 win early access + loads of utilities
>not winning

Am I getting trolled or some shit.

>>135620591
>YOU CAN BUY THE TOKENS THAT MEANS THE GAME ISN'T PAY TO WIN

epic

>>135620452
If you had read the announcement you'd realise it was deconfirmed since we chose an option different from status quo

>>135619676
>can sell tp for silver
>can make weapon +111
>not p2w

>>135620575
>>135620591

Are you sure? :D

>>135620614
>>135620604
>>135620641
>im a poorfag
then get bent

nobody cares

>>135620591
>you can buy the tokens

so what you're saying is

a player can spend real money to make ingame currency

and you're telling me

that isn't pay to win

>>135620641
win in what? pve dungeon clearing? you are fucking retarded poorfag

>>135620631
Announcement said service schedule would not be changed no matter the vote.

>>135620641


>Every single MMO ever made
>Go to buygold.com
>Buy Gold
>Make weapon +112
>Also kills economy and helps bots

Ok man. Any MMO that doesn't have ingame RMT just gets fucked nowadays.

>>135620457
>Train multiple attributes at a time
That is almost irrelevant and only looks super good to people who never played the game.

>ToS claims to be the savior of MMOs
>Ends up doing everything that ruined MMOs anyways
>people in /tos/ still support it with massive shitposting
>mfw I'm a rich fag because my parents are rich and people are calling me a poor fag because I realize I can notice a bad deal when I see one
>This is the only thing they can do to "defend" IMC's shitty decisions.

>>135619676
You could also pay for a token using in game currency in AA. It just took fucking forever to get because making any sort of progress without one was a rage quit inducing pain in the ass.

Given that this is how ToS is operating, and you can straight up buy advantages (like elemental damage hats) I don't see how it's a farce. They both perfectly fit the P2W definition you set up for Archeage.

>>135620753
Pay2Win is getting something a normal player can't get without spending real money.

Someone who can't afford to cash shop is likely to play the game more and be actually richer than a normalfag cash shopper. See it as a challenge.

>>135620792
>After internal discussion, we have decided to schedule a release based on Option B which seemed to be the most popular to the majority of those of you that voted.

>We are currently undergoing review by Steam. Once confirmed, we will announce the Early Access and Open Beta dates separately.

>>135620631
>replying to out of context quotes

>>135620880
>that is almost irrelevant
>attribute training eventually start breaking the 24 hour mark
>being able to double how quickly you can learn attributes is irrelevant

>>135620753
There is LITERALLY NO WAY to avoid a player making ingame currency with real money with or without cash shop.

>>135620927
With that logic it wouldn't be pay 2 win if a player could spend money to buy something that takes a non-paying player years to get.

>>135620987
>>attribute training eventually start breaking the 24 hour mark
ok

>>135620641
You could buy zeny and gear in RO through chinese farmers. Same with most MMO actually. Your communist utopia will never happen, get over it.

>>135620959
But that's pretty much the entire thread

>>135620927
No, pay to win is spending money to gain advantage.

That's why it's called PAY TO WIN.

>>135621056

Name an MMO in which this doesn't occur.


Tip: It doesn't exist.

>>135620880
What the fuck? Did YOU play before?
Attribute training took fucking forever, being able to do a group at a time is an enormous boost.

>>135620917
See you in a month.

Ok guys, getting a head start with 50$ is not Pay2win.

Get with the times granpas.

>>135618124
KiritoFag

>>135621143

This is the reason why the mmorpg genre is dead

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>this thread

>>135621061
>i don't even play the game i'm shilling for

MMO genre is long dead.

Why are you still arguing who is wrong or right, when both sides get equally fucked in the ass?

Go support a developer that made titles you previously enjoyed or something.

>>135620743
>>135620765
>>135620806
>>135621071
delusional buttblasted poorfags

>>135621143
Any MMO that doesn't have a cash shop, or only has cosmetic microtransactions.

But you're right, that doesn't exist now. But no one is saying MMOs are doing great.

>>135621339
>private gold sellers don't exist

fucking poorfags are literally dumb as bricks

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It is literally impossible for an mmorpg to not be pay to win unless level, gear and money don't exist in the game.

You are all fucking retarded.

>>135620498
Because the kids back then grew up to become productive members of society with jobs and responsibilities that only have enough free time to log in do their dailies and log out and only grind hard on weekends.

http://www.mmorpg.news/2015/12/tree-of-savior-onmyoji-sage.html

When are they going to release the rest of the classes? Is it going to be before the game dies? Will we ever get to see what they do?

>>135621238
It's dead because people don't want to pay for anything, neither subs nor cash shop items. They(all mmos) might as well use mobile game like micro transactions and give an option to pay for revival or to re-enter a dungeon directly rather than some monthly item. Or sell expansions like WOW, so people feel like they're getting a new game each time.

>>135621495
>touhou poster is a retard

surprise surprise

>>135621414
>Doing something that breaks the terms of service is the same as something done in the game itself

You might as well say that hacking is a legitimate game mechanic then. Even so, there are MMOs that don't allow trading between players you know.

>>135621339
>only has cosmetic microtransactions.
P2Cute is worse than P2Win. You can just grind slower and catch up eventually when everyone is maxed out, but you can't get cuteness just by grinding. Saying you can buy them from players is the same as saying you can buy any other sort of cash shop items from players.

>>135621414
Illegal private gold sellers.
You are literally using gold selling bots, the ones that get banned because it's against the ToS etc. as evidence that pay2win is okay. Are you just playing devil's advocate for kicks or are you this desperate to defend a Korean kike factory?

>>135621636
yeah because that clearly ever stopped anyone, how out of touch with reality are you?

i agree it's better to have chinese famers get money out of it, that's a great plan

So, private server when?

>>135621746
The original topic is pay 2 win and how it's, so I don't even know why you're bringing this up. Even if you think "pay2Cute" is worse it doesn't make Pay 2 win better.

>>135621858
>So, private server when?
Never. Have fun scripting over thousand quests.

>>135621945
>Quests
Any good private server would make it worth just grinding enemies.

>>135621857
>Being this desperate for (you)s that you shitpost before you finish reading the post you're replying to.

I'm so sorry, here take this one, it's the least I can do.

>>135609502
Steam of course.
>>135609612
We BRS will improve your international server HUEHUEUHEUHUEHUEUEH

>>135621945
>Have fun scripting over thousand quests.
What? I though all you have to do is copy paste the game into the server you set up?

>>135621857
Hey dude let's just let FPS games sell the aimbot services instead of banning them lmao

Better than those shady sites making money off it haha

>>135621636
>>135621763


You CANNOT stop illegal RMT. It is absolutely impossible unless you completely disable all trading altogether. It will always end up killing the game


In-game RMT is the only way to combat this, hence why most MMOs do this now.

Suck it up or don't fucking play MMOs.

>>135622084
i read it, it's completely irrelevant

unless you are actually advocating for not having trading between players is a good feature just to stop people from getting ahead of you in something you can easily catch up and has barely any relevance, in which case you are even more retarded than what i had normally considered

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>doomposting shifted into richposting

I understand morale has been at an all time low considering IMC pulling some tricks (kTOS - iTOS changes, shifting from free iOBT kOBT-like implementation into a paid early-access implementation, rumors that they are cashing-in, etc), but please do not drown legitimate feedback in shitposting and trying to instigating fighting or polarizing opinions out of frustration over that. I'm sure if we work together we can sort problems out, and IMC seems to be kinda attentive so give them a chance as well. The last thing I want is that TOS turns into a cash shop fest or that IMC is forced to close down because TOS has no way of making money, and I'm sure it is possible to find a middle ground in that.

>>135622178
Thats if you can get your hands on the source code.

Most private servs are reverse engineered.

>>135622185
>comparing an aimbot to an xp boost

(You)

>>135622210
Yes? And I literally posted before about how there are MMOs that don't have trading.

>>135622216
Games can not have trading because there aren't items worth trading and therefore there's no real point to having a trading system.

>>135622341
Private FFXI servers have been made.

>>135622496
Link?

>>135621541
>blame the customers when MMOs fail
Honestly you just need a good business model for your game so that people don't feel like they're getting ripped off.

The average person is going to see:
>korean MMO #387
>it did poorly in its home country
>it has a cash shop
>basic needs tokens are more expensive than a WoW subscription

>>135621945
I welcome a private server with no to extremely basic necessities quests, for just purely mob grinding.

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>>135620498

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>>135622841

>>135622841
Fucking genius. Am I stealing this.

>>135622841
HOLY FUCK ARE YOU A FUCKING RETARD OR SOMETHING YOU NEED TO CATCH EXCEPTIONS THIS IS FUCKING UNREADABLE YOU RETARDED MONKEY YOU PROBABLY THOUGHT TO YOURSELF "OH THIS IS GONNA BE SO FUNNY XD" BUT IT ISN'T BECAUSE YOUR DISABLED BRAIN HAS LOST ANY SCHOOL EDUCATION IT EVER HAD AND THAT'S ASSUMING IT DID AT SOME POINT I SINCERELY HOPE YOU SUFFER IN SOME DEGREE OF FIRE OR UNCURABLE DISEASE BECAUSE AS A PROGRAMMER THIS TRIGGERED ME

>>135622359
Never said anything about exp boost, the topic was RMT. You said it's fine to sell advantages because illegal companies do it anyway. What's the problem?

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>>135622841

>poor attempt for bait and switch
>now: "W-we are listening to you, guys!"
>implying they will change for the better
why are you guys still here

>>135622734
>Honestly you just need a good business model for your game
Like what?
No one's going to pay per month anymore.
People will pay for advantages but then all the people who don't will complain.
Those people would rather have everything be cosmetic, but that means that they still won't buy them because they don't care about cosmetics and the people who wanted advantages and don't care about cosmetics won't buy them either.
People fucking love the shit out of shitty microtransaction Facebook-tier phone and browser games.

>>135622569
https://wiki.dspt.info/index.php/Main_Page

They only started making private servers 2-3 years ago, since it took so long to make heads or tails of the mess that was FFXI and play online.

>>135623073
it's still nowhere near comparable to an aimbot you dumb ape, xp boost was just a random example

>>135623065
>"you are so retarded i need to act retarded to prove that!"
evrytim

>>135623141
>nobody cares about cosmetics
>TF2
>Dota 2
>CS:GO