/twg/ - Total War General

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First for history.

>Jutes edition

On mobile and can't post my Jewts campaign

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2nd for crashing this thread

nth for being a /his/torian and liking Warhammer is perfectly acceptable and is now a reality for Total War.

>>135576894
>crashing the thread
>only 4 rams

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>>135576995
How could you not like this?

>>135576894
>only one greek fire

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>>135577102

I finally got a new computer that can handle the newer games. Should I play rome 2 first or atilla?

>>135577102
>>135577309

Somebody make one for Shogun 2.

Is PONTUS or WESSEX the spicier meme?

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May chokepoints save me

>>135577410
Play rome 2 first because you won't be able to go back when you play attila

>>135577437
Wessex isn't even a full meme.

Pontus is eternal.

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>>135577501
Mighty yari wall wins again!

>>135578092
Yari wall is incredibly overpowered
Is there any reason to ever use anything but stacks of yari ashigaru and bows / matchlocks?

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Meanwhile today is literally catday.

>>135578189
Considering that's basically how warfare in the period was, no.

Yari walls, archers/matchlocks, then send whatever cav or infantry you have into the gaps or around the sides to clean up.

>>135578189
Naginata samurai are a good replacement since they are one of the tankiest units,Cavalry and Katana samurai have a good charge for flanking.

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>>135578092

>>135577142
>WRE has a science advanced incendiary warfare
>does not get greek fire ships

HWAT?

>>135577427
why bother, arr rook same anyway

>>135579475
>WRE has a science advanced incendiary warfare
Wut

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>>135577427
>>135579475

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>>135579507
oh wait, its improved incendiary warfare, why doesnt it give you greek fire ships? fucking barbars can build them but not romans

>>135579840
roll.

>>135579893
Pretty sure only the Vandals get greek fire, and that's because historically they fucking obliterated any and all fleets in the Mediterranean.

>>135578189
there is non-retarded AI

Apparently Enraged Pedro was at the VC event. Surprised that he hasn't released a video on the subject.

why were the japs still picking berries when the greeks are at the height of civilization?

anyone have any tips for playing as the ERE? I saw some one in the last thread with 4million a turn income. I know they get interest in their treasury but what's a good balance of spending and saving?

>>135580639
because the japs have always been incredibly primitive and barbaric compared to most other cultures, they were still fighting with sharp sticks and on dingy boats when Moortuguese got there, and a long as time later when the burgers got there again they were STILL fighting with sharp sticks and ancient matchlocks that they got from the portuguese

>>135580724
turtle the fuck up with cheap ass shit in the start, wait like 30-40 turns and you've won the game by means of interest.

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>>135579840
Rollerino from /eagg/

>>135581102
*unzips katana*

>>135580961
Fucking savages.

All of what I read from James Clavell's Weeaboo tales must be a lie.

>>135580724
If youre in total war mode 20k a turn is fine, build up food/sanitation first then focus on income while protecting your borders, try to keep 1 border safe with diplomacy, I allied with the huns for example, had 2 big armies protect the balkans, 1 big army in edessa incase the sassies wanted to make trouble and I was smoking out the Arabs with 1 elite army.
I still made 20k a turn which I used to build up, make sure you build up safe zones first, like egypt or the greek islands.

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>>135581271
Japanese are just obsessed with the reactionary and what works.

Their Katanas are a millenium old design while europe kept developing their swords

Their monarchy is from 600 something BC

Even after import of western ideas their country has been deadlocked in the exact same western style conservatism and conduct since WW2, only the constitution is keeping their monkey business under control.

They even still have the fanatic love of suicide going.

I think their most impressive advance was that they started hanging themselves instead of decapitating each others.

>>135581661
Thats because you probably need a permit for swords.

>>135569170
But who will be our "Rohan"?

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>>135577121
Witch Hunters are badass. I hope you can recruit lots of them.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7zHuV0znQ0

>>135583093
/mbg/.

>>135583464
>dat shitty WoW-steampunk

>>135583093
Hitlers bunker duh.

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>try to play uesegi in Shogun 2
>mfw Takeda always manages to get a fat doomstack well in advance of me
>mfw constantly lose because they declare war on me in the second turn


I have beaten WRE on legendary and I still haven't won an uesegi campaign.

>>135583657
Weird, in my campaign they just allied me around the 5th turn...

>>135583657
watch the movie heaven and earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3j1iWJiI_c

then finish the initial war with takeda, do not back down until Kai is yours

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> Tomb Kings still not announced

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>>135583756
>Advent still not announced

>>135577309
rolling

>>135583657
Bait them into a siege, whats the issue?

>>135583886
>They lay siege
>
>
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>Starved to death

>>135583657
Remember the mighty yari wall will destroy those horsefuckers

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>>135577102
Rollin

>>135583982
fug >:(

>>135583943
Figured they would attack you, can you maybe lay an ambush?

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>>135583485

>>135583943
You need to bait them into a seige where you have what seems to them like inferior troops, so they actually attack, but is good enough to beat them with good tactics.

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>>135583532
Unfortunately there's very little good artwork. I'd like to see the concept art for TW:W.

So both my king and my Heir died of natural causes in the same turn. King was 77 and his son was 52.

Well there goes the stability

>>135585041
>not always keeping some young influential family members

anon this is Attila 101 stuff here, I learned my lesson the hard way too

>>135585187
It's not unsalvageable. I think my family is large enough to get it back into order.

>>135585041
>tfw your WRE family is massive and mostly made up of treacherous little shits

At least there's always a few who are worth anything but they also tend to get themselves killed.

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Daily reminder that Prince of Manlets is a cuck and trash as TW

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>check members out in the /twg/ steamgroup
>check out this weeb
>only played shogun 2

wow

>>135585328
well I once in a legendary campaign lost both Flavius and Stilicho in battle on the same turn, a woman with very little influence became a regent, which made a governor and a general rebel, loosing a battle against the rebels gave further -2 loyalty hit (-1 for civil war -1 for losing to rebels) and one more general and one governor rebelled and took most of northern Gaul and Africa with them

so yeah, never make your ruler a general, give him a cozy governance job

I want to play MW2 online with my buddy but I have the disc version. He has steam version. I have no CD key with which to register with steam so I can play online.
What do

>tfw I will never be a citizen soldier

>>135579840
Gibbe something blue

>>135585881
Bro it really is pretty easy
Exactly do what i tell you to
EXACTLY what i tell you or it fucks up

You first have to contact the steam support
Once that is achieved you wait for a reply
Usually it takes 1-2 days max
Really depends on what you tell them what your issue is, threat them with chargeback
Steam will usually get cold feet at that point
Economy-driven thats what they are
Long story short, steam will contact their support and demand a key for you, there is no other way since you only borrow games from steam
Fucking annoying I had to do the same.

Now read the first letter of every sentence.

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>>135583756
>literally dead faction
Lel

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>>135583464
HOLY SIGMAR

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>>135577102
rollan

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>a goddamn king is failing to find a wife 3 turns in a row, which is seriously undermining the influence of our party

what the fug?! he is a king, any woman would agree to marry one

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>>135586632
Shouldnt you be used to that by now?

Jokes aside, its worse when he finds a wife with negative traits and you have to decline, I hate that shit.

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Fukken hurlers man

>>135577102
Rolling for my first DEI campaign.
Please give me something I'm familiar with.

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>>135586761
>playing as danes
>not as based saxons

disgusting tbqhwyf

>>135586754
yeah, I have >800 in attila and this is the one thing that still pisses me off, another annoying thing is siege escalation, look at this pic, the AI's towers are down and settlement is somewhat wrecked simply because I was besieging it for 3 turns

I DONT EVEN HAVE ANY ONAGERS, what the fug is causing the siege escalation? are my soldiers tossing rocks at them or something, I feel like you should have onagers, or a cheirobalistae at least for the siege to escalate

>>135587054
Danes are cooler.

>>135587054
That's a 9 month siege. Maybe you sabotage them.

Or fug I dunno, maybe you were throwing torches it ;)

>>135587054
Yea, its also funny how those "walls" mysteriously collapse into a perfect path into the inside of the city once theyre 100% damaged.

But what I meant to say is that youre probably as lucky with women ingame as youre in real life, get it?
Just banter tho senpai.

>tfw accidentally an offensive river battle
Help, we're even in numbers and I'm the one attacking

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were soldiers with nothing but a tunic and a shield really a thing? keep in mind these are lombards that have been well established in Italy by the time AoC begins, so wouldnt they at least have chainmail

>>135587119
I disagree, the only faction in the viking memefathers worth playing are the Jutes for the huscarls, every other viking faction seems to have a more limited and less fun roster than the saxons

>>135587351
Yeah but Danes have such a cool name
desu I just finished a Saxon run senpai

>>135587275
Charge straight across the ford in one big blob.

>>135587351
No, most soldiers would at the very least have some sort of headgear be it a cap padded with straw or a proper helmet but certainly not everybody would be equipped with metal body armor.

>>135587512
R-reee
i died

>>135587517
those are levy spearmen, a.k.a. peasants that were chucked a spear and thrown a shield and told to go to war, when you upgrade them to spearmen they don a metal helmet.

>>135587351
They'd definitely have some sort of helmet, although a stuffed straw hat isn't much of a helmet.

>>135587351
I think I read something that in the medieval if you wanted to employ an untrained peasant crossbowmen you had to pay 80 pennies for his equipment and the soldier would earn 2 pennies a month.
So go figure how much the average peasant could afford for himself.

>>135587983
how would you live off of 2 coins per month? does it divide into smaller pieces? i can't possibly imagine you spend one coin at the start of the month on enough food to feed yourself for 15 days and then the other coin later.

AoC has some m2 level strong generals, I took way more losses then I should have in a siege battle, because 3 of my cav units were tied down by one admiral, despite two of them repeatedly charging him in the back

>>135587258
>get it?
yeah I got it, but I am an image board poster not a king

>>135588123
>>135587983
Found some info, a penny of that time is appareantly 1.5 grams of silver

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_(English_coin)

Coincidentally, this penny was introduced by our dear friend Offa, which makes this very relevant to Charlemagne campaign.

It says that Canute paid his army 20 million pennies, which leads me to think each soldier earned significantly more than 2 pennies per month.

Pls help

Apparently a long time ago Steam broke a lot of people's Medieval II: Total War

Pretty much everyone else seems to have gotten fixed, but I just walked away from it for a long time and now I really want to play some Third Age.

How do I fix it? Verifying cache doesn't work, drive is fine, etc. Keep getting disk write errors.

>>135588123
In the american civil war the families of the southern states would give their sons a goodluck penny to wear around their neck.

For good luck and incase they got lost for food and water.
Back then the people were that poor.
In the US slaves would get bought and sold for 3-5 bucks, if you take that into consideration 2 pennies in the medieval doesnt seem that far off.

>>135588414
I went and did some research, civil war prviated on the confederate side made 11$ per month, this subdivides into 100 pennies per dollar. So a confederate private would earn 1100 pennies per month.

http://www.nps.gov/fosu/learn/education/upload/Money-Civil-War-Activity.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_(United_States_coin)

>>135588227
oh fug, I failed to adopt a guy too, now my power fell from balanced to weak after now 4 attemps to find a waifu and 1 attempt to adopt with all failed

>>135588326
Depends, a cavalrist or Swordsman will get more than a levied crossbowmen, and I think in the medieval they actually got poorer again.
But yea the coins were usually made of gold/silver.
I think at that point it was worth it to actually fake metal coins, if coins were made out of metal, if you found gold you wouldnt bring it to the smith telling him to make you coins out of it obviously, with metal you could.

>>135588227
If a King cant do it how could an image-board poster do it?

>>135588603
And if you get lost before you get paid your first wage?
And if you dont have all your money with you 24/7?

>>135587707
peasants have caps and straws too.

>>135588765
Well, then you are fucked.

A lot of people were fucked in those times.

This is why the private sleep on top of his purse with a rifles over the shoulder.

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>>135588894
Why does it matter when the bad guys win anyways?

>>135588974
Maybe if there were to muricas politics would not turn out as radicalized as they are today with over a hundred million dissatisfied people no matter who wins.

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fug, had to pay the pope of since I couldnt fight Charlemagne just yet, because Theme of Sicily has launched a massive invasion

a pity too, I am kinda curious what the reaction would be if I told them to fuck off

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Can't wait for the comfy european stream today, we'll properly see all the units, scenery and maybe even all the spells being executed.
Why is everything american so shit in comparison?

>>135591329
spells bother me, in the few battles we have seen the AI always used them in a stupid as fuck manner, I am worried that they will give a huge advantage to the player, since we will actually use them intelligently

>>135591587
Nevermind the fact that we clearly saw the AI engage in dance dance revolution with its entire fucking army until it was a fuckhuge blob didn't stop prince of macedon from bumfuck rushing it and getting himself defeated in front of 3,000 people

It just looks dangerously much like Rome 2's launch AI has been raised from the dead.

>>135591587
We haven't seen any late game quest battles or unscripted battles yet, so I'm still hopeful.
The good thing is, there should be Youtubers playing campaigns a few weeks before release so we will see then.

I'm about to start a new campaign. Can the Roman's migrate? Never played them, don't like starting as big empires.

>>135592108
Attila? Only when you play the Last Cuckold as the Roman Expedition

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>>135592108
>burn everything down
>move to africa
>convert to minor religions
>build shrines to a dark cult everywhere
>effectively start with a small empire
>don't feel weird about reconquering the whole world again because you're romans

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>playing AoC
>pretty big Kingdom
>wonder why I cant get my income up
>85% corruption

CA can go fuck themselves im so tired of this bullshit.
I have an empire 4 times as big and I cant even afford half of my armies.
I have to find an asteroid made entirely of gold and make it crash directly into my capital to afford a single levy unit because even before it hits the ground my corrupt officials have already picked it apart.

>>135592619
I remember back in the good old days when there was no cap on corruption in Attila. You could have something like 95% in WRE provinces which made many of your provinces worthless.

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>>135592619
>he thinks 85% corruption is bad
Nah.

Do Chariots do something better than Cavalry?

>>135592619
why don't you just manage it better?

>>135592791
They die better.

>>135587707
Levy spearmen aren't always poor peasants. They're a levy. They have some training.

>>135592819
So...their pointless?

>>135592791
The trick is to move them through dispersed enemies rather than click attack.

>>135592884
What about their pointless?

What is a pointless anyway?

>>135592952
Why? What's wrong with pressing attack?

>>135592732
So CA really doesnt think about what theyre doing

>>135592750
Now thats some bullshit

>>135592793
What the fuck am i supposed to do about it?

>>135593123
Well I don't know about all the factions but Charlemagne at least can build corruption reducing buildings that affect adjacent provinces too, same for sanitation, in cathedral cities.

>>135593105
Then just run into the enemy and stop. Chariots kill by running OVER their enemies. It's nothing to do with the attack skill, its just the weight and movement.

>>135593212
Yea, if you have the court building, and at the third rank its 15% and 15% in close provinces, I dont even have the tech for the second and the court building makes it unable to upgrade the markets etc.
I have no choice tho I guess, I wonder if I have 3 provinces close to each other with the anti corruption building if it will stack?

>>135587351

It depends on the era but almost across the board - yes. Very much so. There's debate and uncertainty as to the prevalence of armor but middle road fallacy aside it was probably in between the polarities of "Almost nobody but the richest had it" and "almost everybody but the poorest had it". Less wealthy and developed societies on a tribal line, like the migration era Germans, would possess far less mail than say their descendants will in 1000 AD.

From Ian Heath's Armies of Feudal Europe:
-start of 12th century mercenary knights were paid daily 6d (Denarii? Penny?), which rose to 1 shilling in 1173, 3-4s by Edward I and the 13th century.
-At the same time Sergeants and infantry only got 2d to 6d a day in 1196 (2-3d for infantry, 4d-6d for mounted sergeants), mounted crossbowmen got 7.5d or 1s 3d depending on if they had one or two horses.

If https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_livre and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_denier are correct then 1 livre = 20 sous or shilling, 1 sous/shilling being 12 pence (derniers/denarii). "Henry I had Count Robert of Flanders provide 1,000 knights in England or Normandy in exchange for 500 livre.

-1303 France a 'well armed warrior of gentle birth mounted on a horse (value of 50 livres), with coat of mail and coat of arms (barded armor) expected from each 500 livres of revenue (I.E. if you had 500 livres you needed to provide/pay for a warrior of that quality)
-1284 Azzize (edict/regulation by the crown) stated that sergeants of the abbey of Saint Maur de Fosses: Those with 60 livres or more had hauberk, helmet, sword and knife. Those with less than 30 livres had gambeson, sword and knife. Those with 10 livres or more had helmet, sword and knife. Those with less had bow, arrow and knife. All probably had shields/polearms/spears.

>>135592393
>they nerfed minor religions
why? it was a meme anyway

>>135592619
did they not introduce the corruption limit to AoC? they limited it to 60% in the grand campaign, also there is a building that lowers corruption in the province and all the adjacent ones, just build that, also use agents

>>135593515
Remember you can convert the main chain building after you've built the corruption thing to upgrade markets and keep the benefits.

>>135593595
I don't know. I guess someone got upset with +666% bonus.

Still comfy

>>135593546

Henry II of England's Assize of Arms in 1181 divided freemen military service into
-Those with a knight's fief or 16 marks of chattel or rents (to be equipped like a knight)
-Those with 10 marks of chattel or rent (hauberk, helmet, spear and presumably sidearms)
-Burghesses and freemen with less than 10 were to have quilted gambesons, iron helmet and spear.

Henry I apparently cited similar: £100 Angevin or £25 Sterling being a knight, 20-40 Angevin (5-10 sterling) being the middle class.

To contextualize it is more helpful to have a sense of more mundane items or property. From Osprey, the mid 8th century Laws of the Ripuarian Franks, states:

-Helmet, hauberk, sword, scabbard, leg armor, lance, shield and horse for a horseman's full equipment = 44 solidi.
A peasant's cow was worth 3 solidi. So you would need to sell 14 cows worth of property to afford all that. If it was just horse, shield, spear, then it might be as little as 14 solidi (12 of which is the horse).

But that is implying you are a self-made man funding it entirely by yourself. If you were a hanger-on, a follower, a companion to a notable then he would often pay for your equipment. Or shit you looted.

>>135593546
>Henry I had Count Robert of Flanders provide 1,000 knights in England or Normandy in exchange for 500 livre.
>a 'well armed warrior of gentle birth mounted on a horse (value of 50 livres), with coat of mail and coat of arms (barded armor) expected from each 500 livres of revenue (I.E. if you had 500 livres you needed to provide/pay for a warrior of that quality)

Hot damn, the inflation is real.

>>135583464
I didn't know Creature Feature made more than one album, huh time to google.

does anyone else not bother running archers in rome 2/vanilla for the simple fact that there's no guard mode? I really hate having to hold every archers hand just so they know not to run into a battle-line, so I'd rather just take more infantry

>>135577102
>>135577309
>>135579840
>>135583393

Rolling for whichever I like more.

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>>135576707
Who are the /eternaljew/ of the warhammer wrold? Just want to grow fabulously rich while the other races starve around me.

>>135594592
Dwarfs maybe?

>>135594592
Halflings

>>135594592
Dwarves.

Hold a grudge forever? Check.
Private and secretive? Check.
Beards? Check.

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>>135594642
>>135594654
>>135594683
Good goy-things yes the beard-things are the nose-things!

>playing DaC as Dol Amroth
>turn 34
>everything going fine, making some money even with two armies
>ready to go burn Harad capital to the ground
>three (3) Umbar Invasion script armies siege cities all over the coast on the same turn
>make no money cause all trade is fucked

The invasions are already bullshit, but 3 on the same turn? Fucking hell.

>>135595215
t.tolkien

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>>135595215

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Stream is in 3 hours, right?

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http://www.honga.net/totalwar/attila/unit.php?l=en&v=attila&f=att_fact_hunni&u=att_nom_bosphoran_infantry

why are these fucking cucks fighting for the huns they counter my heavy infantry REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>135595845
Because Attila raided them so bad they have to serve him now.

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>>135595790
Honestly Vampire Counts aren't looking very playable at the minute though perhaps when they release a roster it'll look more hopeful. That and if they actually show off all the fucking spells. Pretty frustrating that they didn't use Vanhels danse macabre which is a pretty obvious choice to speed up slow units so they don't get obliterated by range.

>>135577102
Rolling for a Hellenic faction

>>135595790
They're just showing the same battle again, who cares

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BRAVE ROMANS TO A MAN

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Frist campaign playthrough ROLLAN

>>135596532
>Not having the good LL choices
You failed pretty hard tbqhfamalam

>>135596532
I need to protect that smile

>>135595215

If the Dwarves are Jews, are the Orcs the Arabs?

>>135596532

>No LL choices

Step it up senpai

>>135596840
No because they don't care for taking your money or women

>>135596840
Chaos is the arabs

Wow. Chariots are shit.

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>>135596532
Based chart guy said he's holding off till release but if anyone so cares here's an attempt.

>>135596532
>No LL's
>No Chaos
>Bretonnia.

Is Medieval II: Kingdoms included in the grandmaster collection?

>tfw you pre-ordered the High King edition

>>135597276
yes

>After a very busy couple of years making content for ROME II and ATTILA, and having most recently released Age of Charlemagne and the Slavic Nations, the New Content team has moved on to support WARHAMMER DLC and Free content. As we announced when we first revealed the game, Total War: WARHAMMER will be supported by a programme of free and paid for content alongside the three games that will make up this epic trilogy. The first of these will be the Chaos Warriors, who will arrive day one with the game and be free for anyone pre-ordering through select retailers. Otherwise the first major DLC expansion is taking up the majority of this team's time at the moment.


https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/168257/what-are-the-total-war-teams-working-on-updated-18-03-16/p1

That confirms it, Attila is dead and the first piece of DLC for Warhammer 1 is going to be something major.

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>>135597428
I'll toast to you come launch friend.

>>135597428
Same, I hope they do Dragon Prince and Overtyrant Editions for the next two games.
Will look great on the shelf.

Prince of Macedon is the DON desu

>>135597184
>Based chart guy said he's holding off till release
Yeah, I'm still not sure about the design, maybe I'm just going with black background and the look of the other charts (like Attila and AoC).
On the other side I want something fancy for Warhammer...
But it's still more than 2 months so there's enough time!

Is Rise of the Samurai worth it?

>>135597975
Do you like watching gang fights and fuckhuge shoulder armor?

>>135597659
Well unless another DLC changed the main campaign's time period there wasn't anything they could do to improve it further.

/his/fags will have a fit though

>>135598117
why not?

>>135597739
They seem to be using artefacts rather than statues seeing as there's arealdy high detail GW models of the characters anyway. If the next game includes elves or skaven expect a mages lore book or warp token or something. They really should do a Tome of Nagash edition with a skin like binding on the box or a liber chaotica.

>>135598117
y-yes

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>>135597659
I'm confused, they need another month to finish the game but instead of putting the attila DLC team to work on the main game they're making DLC for it instead despite being 2 months from release?

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>>135598226
Also the campaign revolves around agent spam and careful building placement moreso than others so that is its unique feature

>>135598274
If they start working on DLC with the separate team only after the game is released you're not going to be seeing any substantial post-release content in months.

>>135597184
>Warriors of Chaos have three Legendary Lords
>everyone else only has two

Are they keeping some in reserve to announce closer to launch? DLC?

>>135598245
A Liber Chaotica would be cool, and quite likely too especially since CA said that we'll be seeing Daemons and shit later on in the trilogy.

>>135598401
But I would be fine with that if the main game had more content

>>135598504
It wouldn't, the content would stay exactly the same.

>>135598318
Anyone got any info on why the nips still hold bows a quarter or so length from the base? I read it was because they used saplings which were thicker at the base so had to hold the bow further down to evenly distribute the torsion along the bow and fire the arrow in a straight direction though surely they moved on to other sources for their bows?

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>>135598469
>Daemons of Chaos

B E ' L A K O R
E
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L
A
K
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>>135598561
I thought it was because it was more convenient to use from horseback or from a kneeling position.

>>135592750
>Judaism main religion
It all checks out

>>135598750
that nigga stabbing him with a bow??

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>>135598601

Should I get Empire: TW or Napoleon: TW?

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>>135598936
Get Warhammer: TW.

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>>135598889
Yup. I guess yumi made for impromptu weapons

Not as funny as that one chucklefuck going full Milan

Should I keep posting these pics

>>135599045
im just here for the warhammer stuff but sure

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>wake up
>see this

What do?

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>>135599251

>>135599251
Go back to sleep

>>135596532
>undead
>have morality
>may tired after march

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>>135599215
Cool

>>135600109
>He wants the skeltals to be amoral degenerates

lad...

>>135600502
>meme instead of answer

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>>135600502
He's an idiot anon he meant Morale. Though skeleton warriors are literally amoral degenerates so I'm not sure what point you are making.

>>135600592
He's still right though.

And do we even know yet if moral or tiredness have any effect? Instead of routing the zombies and skeletons crumble.
Maybe CA was just too lazy to remove the text from the undead units?

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>>135600715
They explicitly said the units are unbreakable which means they never rout but if they are outnumbered or face flanking penalties they'll start losing health. They don't suffer tiredness but they move so slowly its not really an issue.

>>135600715
>And do we even know yet if moral or tiredness have any effect?
>guys they'll fix this
>it's just don't have any effect on gameplay
Nice maneuver

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Remember the KING OF KEKS.
He couldn't even manage to score his mom which is high priestess of the cult of pleasure.

>>135600817
>we are too lazy to remove moral and tiredness from the game for some units to make factions more unique

>>135600929
Ask them in the stream

>>135598274
They don't need an extra month to finish the game, they're pushing the release date back to allow reviewers time to play the game and put out their thoughts.

They're basically trying to prevent another Rome 2 disaster - sure it had a lot of sales but it was a PR clusterfuck for CA, and one I'm sure they don't want to repeat. Giving reviewers a month to play it and present their thoughts gives us regular players a chance to read those thoughts and make an informed decision.

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>>135600929
citation needed.

They said in stream they are unbreakable and tireless. VC are still going to be the worst faction by a margin in the game and especially multiplayer.

>>135601078
>They don't need an extra month to finish the game, they're pushing the release date back to allow reviewers time to play the game and put out their thoughts.
Pushing the game back an enitre month without using that time to polish and iron out bugs would be a tremendous waste of time and assets.

>>135601109
>They said in stream they are unbreakable and tireless.
Yet still they have their own "moral" and "tiredness", this how you can detect bad developers.

>>135601247
I'm just going on what they told me when I asked why they delayed - maybe they'll use the reviewers' feedback to iron out the bugs the reviewers will undoubtedly identify.

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>>135601260
you mean they have a morale stat? Thats just going to dictate the point at which the unit begins to feel the negative effects from being unstable it won't mean they run off the field.

>>135601109
Every single undead unit causes fear. That's their trump card over everyone else's 'conventional' strengths. You unit of cheap-as-shit skeletons will stay in combat causing fear to all enemy units around them until every single last one of them are dead.

>>135601327
Well what exactly would the devs do during that time if not working on the game? I'm pretty sure reviewers don't need to literally have their hands held while playing.

>>135601389
>you mean they have a morale stat?
Yes.
>Thats just going to dictate the point at which the unit begins to feel the negative effects
That's why game looks like bad mod, they cannot even remove moral from undeads and just make them weaker and slower.

>>135601567
Stop being retarded.

>>135601260
Their "morale" is different from everyone else. Once they hit the breakpoint they don't run away but instead crumble and die. I don't see why this is such a big deal to you? I mean from the preview it's not like the VC are weak in any regard, the dev got a heroic or decisive victory with nearly his whole army intact.

Wait, are you Prince of Macedon? If so I can understand you'd want them buffed.

>>135601660
>>135601656
>>135601660
Forget it guys. This person is obviously mentally disabled.

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>>135601537
The whole thing is pretty bizarre given they claimed in november they'd given themselves a lot of time to polish the game already and picked April as a very conservative release date. Either they are scared shitless of a Rome II fiasco or they've somehow had major issues with a minor part of the game or bugs. They said they'd be working on the game in that month also but it could only be minor assets.

>>135601715
I guess we'll see in a month when more footage is shown and reviewers will start getting their hands on the game.

Honestly I'm pretty positive, then again I am a warhammerfag and there's only so many games made by good developers for the IP so you take what you can get. I even liked the space marine movie even though it was genuinely terrible.

>>135601660
>I don't see why this is such a big deal to you?
I don't like bad mods. Even in shitty CoW undead units just don't have tiredness and moral.But it's kind of irony, they can reduce normal sieges, but cannot reduce such little things, but of course it's just another AMD"game".

>>135601715
Is that some tzeentch demon or some shit?

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>>135601909

In DEI are there some settlements that can't support certain buildings?
for example my farm in Koria keeps getting damaged.

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>>135601910
Yes.

>>135602031
Why is he sniffing salt tho?

>>135601898
the space marine movie was sick though the quality was terrible. No doubt its a good move though some features of the game that need changing will probasbly only show up when the game ships thousands of copies. I never really understood the rage about buggy launches its actually pretty amusing to go through with friends and report shit.

>>135601910
yeah tzeentch greater daemon, TWC was mad as fuck when Warhammer got announced.

>>135602121
He's getting off on the salt from TWC when TWW was announced.

>>135602141
Why was TWC mad?
Probably because theyre huge autists?

>>135602207
>Why was TWC mad?
Because people don't like casualisation.

>>135602323
Calm down Attila.

>>135602323
How can you know that TWW will casualise things if it just got announced?

>>135602207
I guess because the State Troops have no sandals to get autistic fits about

>>135602323
>TWC
>people
Choose one

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>>135601898
>>135602141
>the voice acting in the Space Marine movie

Literal perfect casting, I tell you what.

>>135602207
I guess most were betting on a historical setting though knowing CA have had the GW IP for years they were pretty naive. I think some people see total war going down the fantasy route as a death knell for historical titles. Its pretty unlikely though it would have to far exceed the popularity of the historical series to warrant that.

>>135602429
bad map without real geography - check
all factions the same (even undead have morale) - check
shitton of DLC - check
Bad combat system (infantry with swords can survive aftyer cavalry charge) - check
Casual sieges, where all what you need to do is deploy your troops/send them straight forward - check
Broken magic - check.
Bad optimisation - check.

>>135602608
Being a fucking idiot - check.
Should kill yourself - check.

>>135602675
> you just don;t understand, it's a good game, you all should buy every single DLC

>>135602608
>(even undead have morale)
Leadership isn't used just for morale in Warhammer though you idiot.

Is 'skeletons have morale' gonna be the new hovelposting?

>>135602758
>Leadership isn't used just for morale in Warhammer though you idiot.
Why I shpuld care about dead tabletop game?

>>135602608
The newer TW titles have 80% of that aswell.

>>135602553
The Ultramarines movie?

It was absolutely awful lol.

>>135602809
Because the game is based directly upon it and its mechanics?

>>135602734
Maps all look pretty good so far to me. If they're not realistic geography that's because it's a fantasy game

All factions are not the same, they have more diversity than any previous total war game. Leadership is different than morale for VC faction

Maybe there's lots of DLC, we don't know yet because it's not even out yet

Bad combat system - citation needed. There's plenty of infantry that can survive cavalry charges.

We haven't seen sieges yet.

Magic is not broken

Regarding optimisation, 64bit, DX12 better than any TW game so far

>>135602608
Attila:

Bad map without real geography - check
all factions the same - check
shitton of DLC - check
Bad combat system (infantry with sword can survive after cavalry charge) - check
Casual sieges, where all what you need to do is deploy your troops/send them straight forward - check
Broken unit abilities like shield wall - check
Terrible optimisation - check.

Sounds like you shouldn't be here.

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>there are people here RIGHT now that visit TWC for any other purpose than downloading mods

Kill yourselves.

>>135602919
Well yeah overall it was pretty crap but the actors they hired for it were outstanding.

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I just love how historcalshits world is crumbling down.

embrace the end of times. We total warhammer general now

>>135603345
They sounded like 50y old members of a british chessclub having a tea-party.

>>135602758
Don't say thing like that you'll jsut give someone a idea and then we'll all be suffer for the next 5 months

>>135603442
He looks gay as fuck

>>135603508
Pretty much everyone in the grim darkness of the far future is a Brit, though. This has been common knowledge for a very long time.

Also speaking of accents, does the Empire use German or British ones in TW:WH?

did someone say theres a stream or something in 10 min?

how the fuck do you very hard battle difficulty without cavalry/gaying everything up?

>>135603693
That's kinda the idea

>>135602943
This game based on franchise Warhammer, not on game Warhammer since it's not tabletop adaptation.

Meloncat update on FOTE?

>>135603847
I though elves were gay and chaos was manly as fuck

>>135603723
>Everyone in the future is a Brit
...No?
They have accents because the company is British. Also it makes them sound regal.

>>135601260

You fucking retard it's called leadership and they also have it in tabletop, it's not morale, it's a mechanic that is there in case the caster dies, they have to roll leadership every turn to continue fighting

Donì't talk about shit you know nothing about.

>>135602608
Literally half the things you just said are statements you just pulled out of your ass

>>135604025
>They have accents because the company is British

Yes, that is in fact what I was alluding to. Good job.

>>135603998
He's the slaanesh guy, so he's gay too

>>135603723

If anything it's Roman, the imperium is literally Romans in space in broken latin

>>135603723
Karl Franz is sounding British and the voices from the trailers like the Witch Hunter are british too. But its a British setting made by a british company what did you expect?

>>135602608
>Bad combat system (infantry with swords can survive aftyer cavalry charge)

I fucking love how this is a complaint to warscape rock paper scissors babbys

If an infantry is getting decimated by a cavalry charge, it matters little if they're holding a piece of wood with a metal point or a slab of bladed metal, and vice versa

>>135604025
>Also it makes them sound regal
In what world? Brits sound like pansies

>>135602995
>they have more diversity than any previous total war game.
Nope, all have moral, all have infantry with spears, swords etc.
>Leadership is different than morale for VC faction
It's the same, but without any logic behind.
>Bad combat system - citation needed. There's plenty of infantry that can survive cavalry charges.
In both video with Horde vs. Alliance infantry with swords and shields stopped the heavy cavalry charge.
>We haven't seen sieges yet.
They told about them.
>Magic is not broken
>one spell kills the whole unit with shourt countdown and manacost.
>64bit, DX12
>graphic worse than in Attila.
>>135603085
>Bad map without real geography - check
Good Europe map. if you don't like history you shoud be on /tg/. not here.
>all factions the same - check
Romans cannot becomes nomadic, Huns cannot into civilization, etc.
>Casual sieges, where all what you need to do is deploy your troops/send them straight forward - check
Nope, at least you should chose direction of your attack.
>Broken unit abilities like shield wall - check
Abilities didn't kills units momentally.

>>135604214
They tend to at least give people that are obviously inspired by [country] the accent to go with it, though - e.g. Asian Tau and gruff American Catachans.

>>135604178
High Gothic is faux-Latin, but Low Gothic (what most people speak) could be anything from even more bastardised Latin to Space English.

>>135603723
The Imperium speaks Gothic....
The producers of the games are just usually british and it has been a pain, I dont know why the brits cant hire neutral voice-actors.
Its like american southerners hiring hicks to voice-act their shit, if TW:WH ends up like Attila/Rome 2 I install it in German or Russian.

>>135603085
>fantasy fag in damage control

>>135604214
>The Empire
>Basically the Holy Roman Empire in fantasy setting
>Emperors name is Karl Franz
>Franz
>Not having a thick german accent

It's not a big deal for me but it would've been nice to hear "JAH MEIN KAISER" again.

>>135604412
The producers of the biggest Warhammer games, Relic Entertainment, are Canadian and they still made basically everyone British. It's a feature of the setting now.

>>135604318

>Slavposter is back

Don't reply to it

>>135604318
>Nope, all have moral, all have infantry with spears, swords etc.
Not even reading any further, what the fuck did you expect???
Skeletons wielding xylophones?

>>135604214
How the heck is there a british setting?

Bretonia is maybe 50:50 feudal France/england and thats it, the Empire is so obviously german that the only way to make it more obvious would be making them wear Leatherpants.

>>135604270

>In what world? Brits sound like pansies

Upper-class English accents are the most regal of accents.

>>135604624
By 'British setting' he means made in Britain by British people.

>>135604082
>it's called leadership and they also have it in tabletop,
Argument invalid, we talking about VIDEO game, not tabletop.

>>135604632
Let me guess, you're british?

>>135604214
It's impossible to speak unaccented English without sounding British.

>>135604697

>Donì't talk about shit you know nothing about.

>>135604697
And guess what, the game is strongly influenced by the tabletop (like moral being replaced by leadership)

The whole british sounds regal was started by the Spartacus movie in 1954, in it the Patricians spoke in an english accent and the plebs spoke in an american accent

It was made so the audience would perceive the patricians as snobs and come to dislike them

>>135604716

Yes, but try and remember that the United Kingdom is one of the few surviving Constitutional Monarchies on the planet with the most well known Royal Family.

In a fantasy setting, it would sound odd to have a king with an American accent.

>>135604806
They've even gone so far as to say that if a unit doesn't have an ability to 'form pike wall' or 'wedge formation' in the tabletop the unit in TW;WH won't be able to do it either. That's the level of 'based upon' we're talking here.

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>>135604318
Wow you are fucking delusional if you think you can hold an argument on this

>Good Europe Map, if you don't like history you should be on /tg/, not here.
I like history which is why I know how shitty the map is in Attila. Rivers are incredibly important yet not represented at all, mountain ranges are ignored and don't cause attrition, the cities at least in Britain aren't placed even close to their actual locations and have outdated names by that period.

>Romans cannot become nomadic, Huns cannot into civilization
Chaos can't into civilization, Empire can't become nomadic. The units in Attila are sword infantry, axe infantry, spear infantry, melee cav, shock cav, archer cav and infantry and thats it. Warhammer has halberd infantry, duel wielding infantry, monstrous cav, tanks Attila is just no comparison in unit diversity.

>Nope at least you could choose direction of attack
On a tiny map with 3/4 directions where they could blockade a route and which took about 5 minutes because most the walls didn't even work and the only defense are arrow towers. Warhammer will have a massivce stone wall to scale or penetrate, cannon and bomb towers and different routes once inside to teh capture pount that are expansive areas.

>Abilities didn't kill units momentarily
What is trample, what is headhunt, what is pike phalanx.

>>135597184
Who is the Guy who isn't Franz for the empire and the guy we didn't see in the trailer for VC?

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>>135604948
dumbledorf

>>135605020
>two different symbols for Vampire Counts

What does it mean?

>>135604901
>In a fantasy setting, it would sound odd to have a king with an American accent.
You're absolutely right in that case but since the Empire is inspired by the HRE the units should sound german.

>>135605020

Wait unannounced stream?

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>>135605020
>bad guy is as white skinned as possible

Every fucking time.

www.twitchtv/totalwarofficial
www.twitchtv/totalwarofficial
www.twitchtv/totalwarofficial

STREAM HERE

>>135605114
It was announced and has been talked about all day.

>>135605093
Another vampiric faction, there are four after all

>>135605114
Announced 2-3 days ago

>>135604578
Only the imperial guard is British familia, and the Orks.
Taus are gooks, Space marines/chaos are neutral, so are Eldar, Dark Eldar, Sisters.
In DoW 1 the IG wasnt even that obvious.

Now compare that to RTW - NTW and Shogun had burger announcers in FOTS.
RTW2 everyone sounds like a fucking chav, the voice-acting was indie-tier.

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>>135604948
Empire guy is Balthasar Gelt whos the bestwizard for the Empire. He has metal/alchemy orietated magic so he can improve armour or damage armoured units and loads more things. The VC guy is Kemmler whos a powerful human necromancer who has a bodyguard called Krell whos an undead chaos warrior. He'll be a glass cannon caster and you'll have to use magic constantly to warrant playing him.

>>135604901
Its a wonder that your royal family actually managed to learn english for once.
Dont forget that they arent even English.

Oh nice finally close up on vampire units

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>>135605186
>THE LIGHTING ON THE SKELLY SHIELDS

>>135605237
>Space marines/chaos are neutral, so are Eldar, Dark Eldar, Sisters.

Which mean they all lean heavily towards the 'English' spectrum of accents, because 'unaccented' English sounds like somebody from the middle of Southern England. Not all British accents are 'cor blimey m8 swer on me mum'.

>>135605237
space marines are chapter dependent and Imperial Guard ought to be more american especially catachans who are stallone tier. Tau would be american indian, Eldar would be british and snide as fuck and Orks are cockney.

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>>135605434

>>135605020

>Empire vs vampire counts

They showing that one of?

>>135605761
Nope, but maybe in a few weeks?

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>it's like birmingham

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>>135604806
>And guess what, the game is strongly influenced by the tabletop
And tha;ts why game is bad.
>Warhammer has halberd infantry, duel wielding infantry,
So like in Rome and Med?
>monstrous cav,
So another cavalry.
>tanks
Oh wow, I really missed elephants from Med2.
>3/4 directions where they could blockade
Stop using memes instead of arguments and play the game.
>What is trample, what is headhunt, what is pike phalanx.
It's still not "press to win" abilities.

>>135605583
>Imperial Guard ought to be more american
They default to British unless clearly inspired by another country (e.g Catachan, Vostroyan)

>Tau would be american indian
You what? Tau are Asian as all fuck, they even harp on about 'co-prosperity spheres' and live in the fucking East of the galaxy.

>space marines are chapter dependent
Again, default to British unless clearly inspired by another country.

>>135605635
I feel like the clothes are too well preserved.
It looks like a zombie highschool.

>>135605253
Sounds pretty good anon, thanks for the explanation.

>Tfw want to play greenskins as a first campaign
I'm not sure I want to deal with the terrible morale of the gobbo units, even if I can throw like 50 of them at the enemy

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>>135603998

wew

>>135605951

What a tease.

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>>135605635
AHAHAH how original.

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Dio vampire eye lasers confirmed.

>>135580012
I know it's late - but errr...no? I'm playing Caledonia right now and fucking fire / arty is my shit for sea battles.

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>tfw manage to hold off a horde of enemies at two chokepoints with high level spear units and cavalry to support in case of any trouble
>tfw slide right into the enemy's backside with the main force and make them rout one by one

Hammer and anvil has never been this satisfying.

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Is Medieval II playable without any mods? How bad are the units path localizing AI?

>>135605972
>And tha;ts why game is bad.
Since you've played the game extensively already, how's the campaign?
How fast do characters level up?
What other units do the Vampire Counts have?

>>135606192
>Zombies were invented by Blizzard
Wow, I had no idea!

>>135606192
By default the Lich Kings minions dont have glowing eyes, that was a special case.

Warhammer Fantasy is also way older than Warcraft my cucked friend.

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>>135606259
>Hammer and anvil has never been satisfying
ftfy

>>135605635
Cause this is thriller, thriller night

>>135606279
>>135606330
he never said blizzard invented zombies you dumbfucks

>>135606373

He looks so uncomfortable.

>>135606401

So? Warhammer is still older dumbfuck