/dadg/ - Darkest Dungeon General

*snort*

*whistle*

I wonder how this works...

I am sad that I was the only one actively trying to keep the last thread alive at the end there, this is currently my favourite general and I don't want to see it gone.

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>>135427483
AND NOW THE TRUE TEST...

BUMP FAST

OR GET ARCHIVED

>>135427483
I'm sorry, I was too busy playing vidya.
Maybe it's time to let go, dad general.

I figure I should ask before I go to sleep, just in case I find the thread is gone never to return when I wake up again:
What should I know for champion difficulty?
I've done around 13X weeks of Apprentice difficulty quests and have them down to a science, and I've done about half a dozen Veteran but I've yet to ever do a Champion. My heroes are getting leveled up though now so won't be too long before I begin, what should I know before I start if anything?

>>135428369
>Maybe it's time to let go, dad general.
Pls no.

>>135428674
Expect to get buttfucked in the pussy and plan accordingly. That's all I can say without spoiling it, anon.

Every single time. Every single time I leave the cutthroat alive, he double crits.

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>bring party of MAA, abom, jester, and musketfu to 8-pounder fight
>accidentally embark with only food and 1 herb
>fuck it
>march to boss
>executed flawlessy
>musketeer misses no shots, dispatches every loader with manslayer trinket
>abom transforms and rakes the shit out of cannon+any poor sod who happens to stand adjacent
>MAA barking orders and crit-smashing the damned contraption
>jester playing his heart out all the while, his finale stolen by the MAA
Hnnnngg

>>135430201
Oh, she had rabies too.

>>135428025
I need this with sound

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>>135430201
>Highwayman at Death's Door with no healer in party and 2 ded gets virtuous and resists all attempts of the Siren to convert him until I beat her down.

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>Be me
>See that HWM got a Riposte
>Figure out how Riposte works
>See that it kicks ass
>Make a Riposte-based team
>Double-Riposte everything
>Beat ass particularly hard in one dungeon
>Call some enemy a motherfucker
>Remember PASWG
>Remind myself
>Make this

Enjoy fags, these took a lot longer than i care to admit.

so is there a consensus on antiquarian yet?

prot buff and jew skills are nice but other skills are kinda underwhelming since I don't really need any money

anyone using her in rank5 runs? I'd like to hear how she is in lvl6

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My Musketeer is still giving out generic critical hit lines even though I fixed the problem. I thought I did this properly, but maybe not. Also her lines in other language still say "MUSTKETNAME", do I have to change those too? The file I was supposed to edit was in localization, right?

>>135431278
She is a nightmare to use in Champion runs. I spam her party wide dodge skill and give her a healing trinket. If you don't need the money, just level her up for the achievement and never touch her again.

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>>135431148
And the follow up.
Couldn't decide which outfit to put on who.
Personally i enjoy HWM/Stocking

>>135431482
oh, I forgot about a detail when I was explaining.

After making those changes, you need to run the "localization.bat" file.

>>135432493
Didn't know about that step. Hopefully this will work now.

Is Darkest Desires not Compatible with the Musketeer?

Seems like when I install both, some class and skill names get converted into code.

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>mfw HWM shits out a 36 damage crit on resolve lvl 2, with only one damage trinket

god damn wicked slice

just got an dialogue error on musketeer for the clean musket skill

>>135434496
yeah that happens, not sure what's wrong about that one

<entry id="str_bark_restring_crossbow"><![CDATA[Honed and polished, you'll fire true now, my love.]]></entry>

try changing restring_crossbow to clean_musket and running localization.bat

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>long 100% room battles weald run
>everything going according to plan
>last room
>Welcome to another episode of "Le crit dogs of rabies!"

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>>135434907
>hellion gets crit
>RABIES
>oh shit
>open her trait list
>fear of beasts

We are out of firewood. We must steel ourselves for a push to the end.

>>135434827
i don't actually see that line anywhere. i guess i can just slap it in between all the other bark lines?

>>135435890
that line is in the march_update.string_table.xml file

red hook's file organization is a god damn nightmare

>>135436012
hopefully that has fixed it. thanks for your help.

>>135435353
WAKE UP! THEY ARE UPON US!

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Your afflictions will not work on me, you demons. I am already dead

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>>135430951
Is time for Darkest Nedroid again?

>>135437741
but why him? He's pretty easy to disable if he ever gets charmed, just pull the Siren forward or push him back (I give him a Swift Cloak so his move resist is lowered)

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>>135437982

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>>135438850
am I the only one that always tries to make Dismas & Reynauld go into quests together?

>>135438972
I always put Reynauld in the first slot and Dismas in the second (or third if the mission requires it)

>>135438972
I still have my original Reynald, Dismas, PD and Vestal group.

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>>135439349
me too- oh.

>>135438972
If two characters work well together during a quest they'll be forever paired in my head.
If they're the opposite gender, I'll give them the same surname and feel horrible when one gets killed and the other survives.

>>135439423
You failed Paschal.

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>>135439578
and Counteville got fired a couple weeks after the first mission

still, all is well

I've killed Shambler 3 times in Apprentice and he hasn't shown up again. Is there a limit to one difficulty?

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>>135440009
I killed the fucker thrice in one apprentice dungeon, so no.

>>135440223
What's the jacket that your Grave Robber is wearing?

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>>135440486
Ancestor's Coat.

I think it just gives +15 DODGE without any downsides.

Can doomsay not miss? That's not very balanced.

>>135440793
Just how exactly can shouting miss.

>>135440793
>skill: .id "templar_aoe" .type "ranged" .atk 113.75% .dmg 5 8 .crit 7% .effect "Templar AOE Blight" .launch 43 .target ~1234

>>135439693
>bled out. Ancestor
How.
What happens if everyone dies in DD4?

>>135441012
anyway, this means that it can miss, the hit rate is 114%.

Not really reliably dodgeable though

>>135441012
>>135441168
That's Doomsday. Doomsay is the madman AoE shout thing.

>>135440862
You can't shovel food into your mouth to fix being stabbed in the stomach either.

>>135441109
not sure, actually.

>>135441249
oh, hue

>skill: .id "doomsay" .type "ranged" .atk 122.5% .dmg 0 0 .crit 0% .effect "Madman AOE Stress 2" .launch 4321 .target ~1234 .is_crit_valid False

even harder to dodge.

>>135441313
Of course you can. Just eat enough that the half-chewed food protrudes from the rend in your gut and forms a seal.

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>>135440793

Is the game crashing all the fucking time for anybody else?

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We lost a good man this week.

Truth be told, fuckers had his number the second he stepped off the coach. He's been living on borrowed time until now.

>>135443283
Nope.

>>135443283
I've crashed a few times on the Ruins loading screen.

>>135444439
Looks like it wasn't a false alarm this time.

Did they add any point to the bar since release or is it still risky?

>>135447779
It's shit. Your hero can misplace a trinket or go missing for up to 3 weeks. Just ignore it unless you need to max it out for completion sake.

>>135443283
Crashes all the time when I have shadowplay on. Might wanna look into that.

>>135432493
>My Musketeer is still giving out generic critical hit lines even though I fixed the problem. I thought I did this properly, but maybe not. Also her lines in other language still say "MUSTKETNAME", do I have to change those too? The file I was supposed to edit was in localization, right?
>>>135431278
>She is a nightmare to use in Champion runs. I spam her party wide dodge skill and give her a healing trinket. If you don't need the money, just level her up for the achievement and never touch her again.
>>>
> Anonymous 03/16/16(Wed)19:05:13 No.135431504▶
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>>>135431148
>And the follow up.
>Couldn't decide which outfit to put on who.
>Personally i enjoy HWM/Stocking
>>>
> Anonymous 03/16/16(Wed)19:14:57 No.135432493▶>>135433665
>>>135431482
>oh, I forgot about a detail when I was explaining.
>After making those changes, you need to run the "localization .bat" file.

musk anon here.
going to upload new version this weekend, time permitting

>>135451079
what happened to your post man?

The light. The promise of safety.

Back from the pit!

>>135454117
Ancestor, it's time to let go of /dadg/.

>>135454538
Different guy

No.

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I'm surprised that style is so popular.
I would have thought you were all obsessed with DPS.

http://strawpoll.me/7088698

>>135455873
Style is vague. It can mean style as in display value (show-off, gimmick, immersion, roleplay, etc.) or it can mean style as in technique (riposte style, virtue cheese style, self-heal style, holy trinity style, etc.)

>>135456310
>virtue cheese style
Please, that's not an actual thing.

>>135456829
This very week someone in this very general said that if you run a Jester you have no excuse not to make all 4 heroes virtuous every dungeon.

There are people who swear by it.

>>135456949
My favorite part about Darkest Dungeon is that everything feels pretty viable. Like, I've heard people say it's impossible to run without a vestal or occultist, and also that hellion or houndmaster or bounty hunter is so OP, that using an arbalest or abomination is essentially cheating because they're so good (this one was on the DD forums no less). There are people who live by the new riposte compositions with M@A or HWM, there are people who would never build a party without a PD (for insane utility) or GR (for free disease clears and great damage). Yesterday, I saw a guy say that he thought Jester was the best hero in the game - and I can't ever get Jester to work for me other than stress clearing. And there is more than one person in this thread who loves their Leper or Crusader. We're only now finding out just how good Antiquarian is for combat not to mention the insane cash she brings in on even lit-up runs.

So yeah, everyone has different opinions about what's the best composition because everything is balanced out pretty well. Some people think certain classes are terrible and others think they're great because the game is designed so well.

>>135457118
>We're only now finding out just how good Antiquarian is for combat

Don't try and meme on me.

>>135457412
>80% prot and 10 dodge - plus combos with riposte

But even that aside, she's like my personal Wilbur. I kill an incredible amount of enemies with her two damage skills because my unlucky rolls very often result in enemies surviving with 2hp.

If she could only use her attacks from front ranks or was more restricted in which ranks she could hit, it would be awful, but as it is, she's a great finisher.

two lepers, jester, and occultist is the meme team

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>>135457118
Except there's a such thing as having the best possible team comp.

This one for instance has never has never had a single affliction, never had a single death, and has always been able to leave champion dungeons in any area at near full health and near 0 stress, more often than not max health 0 stress.

They bring in unreal amounts of money, and are perfectly capable of doing long champion dark runs with not a single penny spent on provisions.

so what should I expect in Champion missions?

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>entire team becomes fearful
>except the useless fuck, who becomes courageous
Painful irony.

>>135458070
>after 2 rooms

Jesus what god of luck did you piss off?

>>135458182
4x bugs in the first hallway, they were faster than all but the houndmaster and harry didn't quite off any of them. Four hits, two crits, ~30 stress to everybody.
When I got to the room, two bone royalty and one of each cultist.

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>>135458043
Expect to get fucked. Imagine it like having all of your enemies getting their base stats doubled.


Also if you ever take a trip to the Weald expect rabies. A LOT OF FUCKING RABIES.
I'm not even joking about this. Every time I take a party to the weald they all come back with Rabies.

Eventually champion dungeons become trivially easy due to your knowledge of the game. Enjoy their difficulty while you can.

>>135458441
It's better to kill one maggot (especially one with an action left) than to damage them all halfway unless you feel very confident another character can finish them before can act.

By killing a maggot you deny a possible stun AND damage.

>>135458464
So they'll be difficult forever because I'm incompetent. Got it.

>>135457909
More than 45,000 per run?

>>135458653
I wasn't expecting minimum damage on every single one of them, is the thing. I left literally every bug with a single hitpoint after bleed. If the RNG had been just a little bit less of a bitch, I would have killed one or two at the least.

>>135457909
To be honest, that team comp also looks a bit boring.

>>135457909
What did you build this part for? Bleeds?

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>that feel when raking in mad dosh

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>>135458868
The most fun team comps are always Leper team comps.

I remember when I thought 60 was a lot of damage. If only I knew the depths of power that the Leper wielded. Back when I first started champion runs though I was ecstatic about it.

>>135459094
I am 100% sure crest drops got buffed in the AQ patch

They're dropping like crazy

>>135459078
Healing
Stress Heals
Dodge
Damage

>>135459257
Vestal does nothing but heal? Jester does nothing but play? Dogman does nothing but dodgetank?

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>>135459116
Stacking buffs on a leper is better than sex.

>>135459325
I mean they do other things, but that's what their main purposes are. Often times your heroes will be at 0 stress so Jester is there to spam bleeds or buffs. Vestal usually just spams heals but occasionally spams +torchlight or judgement when there's no need to heal. Houndmaster is almost never not spamming dodge. That said he does a lot of damage so he can finish off enemies or use his mark for prot reduction.

Hellion occasionally spams adrenaline rush to stall for time so the jester and vestal can get extra turns in to heal.

>>135459376
>only +57%
Imagine for a second your Leper had rabies, and had Ancestor's Pen + Dismas head with a Jester to boost accuracy, crit, & speed.

Add to that you're on a long champion Warrens run & drank plenty of moonshine.

Pretty soon you're critting ever other turn for 100 damage after using his own +damage buff.

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216 hours in and i finally got one of those
looks like a damn good item

>>135461419
28 hours in, I have one of those and an aria box too.
I also have two heads.

>>135461419
Wait until you see Ancestor's Candle

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>>135462171
I-I see...
>>135462310
Oh yeah, that's a good one, too bad I don't have it on this file. Doing NG+ 31 weeks in

>>135462571
What does NG+ do anyways? Besides the time limit?

Fight the shambler, anon.

>>135462659
>"I fought the Shambler and all I got was this map" t-shirt now available (the map is good don't get me wrong)
Besides the 91 weeks there's also a 13 deaths limit

>>135462970
>91 weeks and 13 deaths

I can barely survive vanilla champion difficulty with obscene amounts of grinded money and trinkets. God speed you madman.

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>>135463195
Thanks babe, I need all the positivity I can get

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>WANT to fight the shambler
>Can't find any altars

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>>135463493
>Decide to level up shitty low resolve heroes
>Quest almost done, heroes in bad shape
>Altar

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well... that was easy

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>>135457909
I use a similar team in the Warrens, except I have the Occultist instead of Vestal since he has some nicer attacks and can place Marks for the Houndmaster.

My best team, however, is Plague Doctor-Occultist-Abomination-Hellion. They're Cove-only, but they always have next to no negative quirks, and always leave the dungeon with near-perfect health and stress. By far my favorite team.

>>135463493

>Houndmaster goes paranoid

>>135466079
what is that heart trinket?

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>>135463493
I've been there, went a dozen weeks without seeing one. Best I can suggest is manipulating your guys to go virtuous using +virtue trinkets at the start of long apprentice runs with a couple of -food items thrown in for good measure and an "if it bleeds" Hellion, then doing everything in the dark but keep a torch or two safe.
Max chance of finding Shamblers and you're sure to be ready for the fucker when he does show up.

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>crit skull toss

>>135467397
>shambler gets a critical area attack

>>135466867
>Flesh's Heart
>+35% to bleed resistance
>+15% max HP

>>135466079
>Rank 2 Arby
Oh shit nigger, what are you doing?

>>135469964
>he doesnt know

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i forgot to use the dog treats

against the shambler

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>>135470198
He knows! He knows!

>>135470423
I forgot both of them in both DD1 and DD2

>>135468016
>any AOE stress attacks
>crits
f-fuck you redhook

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>>135470760
What's that? You want my area attack to crit again?

what changes would you make to make musketeer unique? (keeping in mind that you cant change her animations - just the stats of her abilities, and her own base stats)

>>135471492
bigger boobs

>>135472065
nice idea anon, but i meant stat/ability changes not visual changes

>>135471492
Let her fly the Millennium Falcon by herself.

>>135472875
ok?

Is it viable to go through DD without some sort of stress relief (outside of camping)?

I just finished the first level and I think if it wasn't for my jester the whole party would've died from heart attacks.

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The fuck? I thought secret rooms were guaranteed to spawn on long missions? I got a full dungeon scout from a pack and it didn't show up.

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>>135474868
maps don't reveal secret rooms

>>135474868
I've noticed that not all full map scouts from packs reveal secret rooms.
You can scout the same corridor later on and find a secret room that wasn't detected earlier.

>>135475006
I'd fuck it.

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>>135475006
Anyone seen Aunty's quote at this part yet?

>>135475497
><entry id="antiquarian+str_monster_user_selected_targets_kill_pill"><![CDATA[So I'm the final antique, yet nothing will be around to collect...]]></entry>
><entry id="musketeer+str_monster_user_selected_targets_kill_pill"><![CDATA[All for one, and one for all!]]></entry>

>>135475610
Eh, could be better.
How possible is it to add more barks to each character? I think it'd be nice to have some more fleshed out chats.

>>135475816
you can add as many lines as you want to the game, but I'm not sure how the underlying code would handle it.

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I haven't patched the game yet, because I've downloaded it from piratebay

If I do find a way to patch it, will my save be wiped?

>>135476053
most likely not

>>135476053
Saves aren't wiped from updates since they're somewhere in your appdata.

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PD is a footfag.

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>First Champion collect mission with The Greater Good
>Goes well, not too many battles
>Last artifact is inside room
>I'll camp, get the artifact and pick up a few curios afterwards
>Room had enemies, fuck
>Leper dies
>Didn't even get to use camp

Today I got reminded once again. How's your day been, /dadg/?

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>>135479345
pretty good. I'm getting kinda bored of the game so I may just let's play it to share knowledge about the game to people

>>135479416
What's your Youtube channel so I can watch your nasally but well-informed playthrough?

>>135479475
If I were to do it I'd do it screenshot based(with complementary webms) on a certain forum. I can't fill the amount of dead air that exists in this game, and I like roleplaying the characters. I did it for UFO Defense, TFTD and Apocalypse, it was quite fun.

>>135479114
It's a black male thing.

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>>135438972
>>135439261
>>135439489
>no friendship/rivalry mechanics
Wasted potential

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>>135479895
just something as simple as less stress damage when in a party with a "friend" and more crit chance when in a party with a "rival" coupled with some lines would be pretty cool.

Nothing is voiced, so you can easily make shit like "Try to beat that, %RIVALNAME%!"

>>135471492
maybe replace the mark synergy with repeated skill use synergy, like abom with Rake.

Just something off the top of my head.

>>135471492
Based on high powered slow reload sniping:
>only has one attack
>snipe
>can only attack from 4th position
>this one attack does 30 base damage at level one
>it stuns her for two rounds

>other abilities maybe a mark, an ability that moves her back 3 spaces, maybe some buffs

>>135426062
TIME TO RUB IT IN

>>135484014
>old musket
>highpowered

just killed the necromancer for the first time lads

>>135484173
good job

>>135484163
>fuck
>you

>>135479895
>>135480632
It could even take a page from Swine King/Wilbur. A close friend lands on death's door? Their buddy activates a free random ability, targeting either their wounded friend or the enemy that attacked them.

That, and if all or the majority of your party has good relations, they occasionally get collective bonuses to things like move resist, virtue chance, or scouting because they work well together.
Opposite goes if their relationships are somehow negative. It wouldn't be as stringent as the Abom and Vest/Crusader, or as hindering as affliction, but enough to show they just don't make a good team (despite being complimentary classes).

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>>135471492
Some kind of old black powder grenade, perhaps ?

>>135485742
Modify the BH's grenade?

Have the Black Powder Bomb randomly hit two locations with a chance to debuff (speed, accu, ...?)

>>135443283
Try running steam as admin

>>135485742
>>135486426
You know, along the lines of grenades I wish there was some optional consumable you could buy at the start which wouldn't use an item slot but would be wasted if you didn't use it before the end of the quest, that would hit 1+ enemies for guaranteed damage - no roll for hit or dodge but it's a weak hit.

X-com has grenades for when you absolutely have to kill an ayy lmao and can't risk missing it and even rookies can use them just fine, it's kind of annoying that DD doesn't have access to some form of guaranteed damage for emergency situations or if your last guy can't normally attack from position 1 and all that's left is a 1hp Wilbur or something.

>>135486426
Pretty much. The PG and the BH both have debuff grenades, perhaps have this one do some kind of damage ? A bleed, maybe, they were filled with nails and pieces of metal, after all.

>>135486941
Maybe Auntie could have really high base accuracy or something?

>>135487151
I mean, some sort of weak sure hit attack that's accessible to everyone, just to prevent absolute bullshit where the last living hero can't attack or an entire party is wiped because of one bad roll vs a 2hp enemy.

I'd want it to be:
>100% chance to hit regardless of accuracy modifiers or dodge bonuses
>Available to all heroes, resolve levels and positions
>Limited use
>Hits 1 or more opponents (not randomly)
>Weak hit (maybe 5 damage?)
>Not random damage (if it can do 5 damage, then it always does 5 damage)
>Not free to use

Basically, a guaranteed way for any hero to do X damage for sure, but a low enough amount that you wouldn't spam it and something you would hesitate to use due to the costs of it or something else.

>>135430637
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GW-Y445jUc

i want to go to champion medium dungeon in the ruins to kill the necromancer there's awesome item for my vestal as reward. how should i prepare. i got my A team which is BH,vestal,MAA,HWM. are they ok for this ?

>>135488592
2 crusaders, 1 heal, 1 support/DPS

>>135488592
If the item is Sacred Scroll, don't use it. Use the Tome of Holy Healing or Junia's Head instead. They don't have the huge speed and stun chance penalty.

>>135488802
crusaders are useless.
>>135488918
i use no trinket pnealty mod.

>>135488960
>crusaders are useless.
Not against undead.

>>135488960
Well what's the point of even choosing a good trinket if you mod out the downsides? You might as well mod yourself a trinket that gives you 5000% damage and stress resist.

>>135488960
>i use no trinket pnealty mod.
You gotta be kidding me, why do you even need advice to beat bosses?

>>135488960
Why are you even playing the game if you're just going to mod it to make it easier?

>>135488960
You are useless.

>>135488960
>crusaders are useless
Horseshit. They chew up undead like nobody's business, they have a stun and a solid AoE, and they can heal, destress, and increase light with a single skill.

>>135488960
>no trinket pnealty mod
But why?

Any 4chan hackerman here who knows how to extract the audio from the .bank files?

>>135488960
>The days of the Railgun of Justice are no more

>>135492572
Last Crusade best team comp

>Put 3 lvl 6 highwaymen with riposte in team
>Put Vestal in the back
>Defeat final boss

Hmm...

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Getting upper level character directly at the stage coach really helps for the difficulty. Them having upgraded stuff and skills is so comforting, Only one hero died in the 10 last weeks and I'm getting more and more level 3 heroes. I will soon try level 3 dungeons to see how they behave

Got the game yesterday, fun so far, but I've only been grinding short missions so far and can already approach a boss. Is this normal? I have only one lvl3 Crusader.

>>135494046
Trinkets?

>>135491930
cause its a retarded shit that makes the game unnecessary hard.

>>135494764
Fuck pleb

>>135494764
>what is balance in videogames

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>>135494046
>not taking Reynauld and Dismas
>>135494764
The game is easy enough as it is without all of the risk factors removed.

>>135494764
That's the least plausible excuse I can think of, trinkets have negative quirks to keep them from being too ridiculously overpowered, you might as well just get a mod that lets you win the game right now because that's utterly pathetic reasoning.

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>>135494764
>playing in baby mode

People too weak to resist to the power of mods should not play this kind of game. Skyrim is much more suited to you, anon.

>>135495056
Dismas is already dead. I'm sorry Reynault

Can someone tell me how to install the musketeer class please ? Can I just drop the folder into the hero folder or is it more subtle ?

Should I ignore Veteran dungeons / bosses until I have LVL3 heroes with similarly upgraded Armor / Weapons?

Would it be highly disadvantageous to go against e.g. the Necromancer with mostly LVL2 ones?

>>135497334
You can beat it just fine with level 2, if you have full confidence that you know what you're doing and have a solid strategy to back it up.

>>135497334
Level 3 heroes can't take on apprentice bosses

I would strongly urge you to take only level 3+ into Veteran dungeons unless you know what you're doing, because they do step up in difficulty considerably.

>>135497538
>Level 3 heroes can't take on apprentice bosses
Not seeing where he asked that.

>>135497519
>>135497538
This is my first playthrough, so aside from my Apprentice level experiences I can only rely on the DD's gamepedia page to built strategies. Even worse, I haven't been in any Veteran dungeons yet. So I guess I should try to focus on those first and stick to careful level-ups for a while. Thanks for the help!

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>that little wet noise when your PD blight grenade misses its target

>>135496998
no its actually very nice with the mod. Without it almost all the trinkets are trash. Its still hard with the mod.

ye I play skyrim for time to time. Good game.

>>135500531
this has to be bait

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>>135500531

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>>135500531
>Almost all trinkets are trash
>It's still hard with the mod
>That entire post
Either pic related, or you should be happy to live in a time where we take care of the mentally impaired.

Seriously, what the flying fuck?!
Just went against the Swine Prince and he annihalated my whole team with four attacks. Wtf am I supposed to do? I can't bring lvl3 chars, so I went up against him with 1-2s. On my way towards him I killed pretty much everything in breeze, no stress or big damage.

>>135504014
I'm betting $5 right now that you attacked Wilbur before the Swine Prince was dead, because that auto triggers a big retaliatory strike against you.

>>135504201
You won 5$, but that was the second or third attack before he killed my Arbelist and put everyone else on death's door.
Also I had an Occultist as healer with me, bc I thought Jaffar and the archers bandaids would be enough.

>>135504632
Step 1: Don't kill Wilbur
There's no step 2.

>>135504632
Attack Wilbur first or kill him for a bad time.

>>135504632
lel swine prince is a joke m8, shouldve spam weakening on him with your jaffar

>>135504770
Step 1: activate Riposte
Step 2: kill Wilbur

>>135500614
>>135500651
>>135502365
its called not being a hiveminded turbonerd.

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>>135427483
>>135428369
>>135428674

If traffic dies down, you guys could just go to the /indie/ general.

>>135471492

Buckshot lowers dodge or protection instead of shuffle.

Bandage heals over time, like a reverse-DoT.

Call the shot still marks, but lowers the enemies speed.

You could also try making her sort of like a reverse Grave Robber where Aimed Shot is powerful, but moves her back two spaces, Sidefire is her "toss knife" that lowers enemy dodge, and some other skill moves her forward while increasing her protection.

>>135504014

>tfw bring an arbalest to swine king but forget to equip her mark ability before ending the boss room
Aimed shot does bonus damage to enemies that haven't acted yet instead of marked enemies.

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>>135506713

What does the shambler give if you kill him after getting all 5 of his trinkets?

>>135513441
A super secret trinket.

>get TWO shambler altars on my map
>curious vestal ruins them both
i swear to g*d i will dismiss that bitch

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end of quest quirks:
>weald scrounger (-20% stress damage in weald)
>weald phobe (+20% stress damage in weald)


k

>fungal artillery uses rain of blight
>SYPHILIS

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Which enemies are the least fun to fight and why are they Weald fungus?

>>135517376
>not Thrall

>>135517376
SNIBETY SNIP!

>>135517376
Treebranch Bitchslap

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Would it fuck up balance if MAA's crush ignored a percentage of PROT?

>>135518508
I like it, but MaA is already really strong.

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>>135517376

Since I hear constant whining about the fungus-bros:

>pull 3rd position artillery
>kill 1st position artillery before it gets to retreat (stun or damage it before pull)
>stun 2nd position groper
>3rd position does harmless swipe and ends up at 2nd position
>repeat 3 and 4 until your whole party is 100% stress and damage free

All three types of movement skills are really good, use them more frequently.

How do i use the Jester?
He seems pretty inferior to the other heros

>>135520763
Jester's one of my core staples who gets a spot on 80% of my teams, he's great.

Both his scythe bleed attacks, lute and his party buff. Stick him in position 3, stress heal your guys as needed (getting an afflicted hero to 0 stress cures the affliction), party buff as needed and use the scythe attack that hits both pos 2 and 3 when not dealing with stress or his single target if there is no pos 3, one is a corpse, or if a specific enemy just HAS to die.

>>135520763
>Leave him in the back and spam stress heals like you would use a vestal for normal heals
>Build into a shuffle party (helps a GR reposition faster after lunge, etc.)
>Use strictly for bleeds
>Accuracy cheese

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>>135520763
Good bleed damage, amazing stress relief (even better with a Bright Tambourine) and a damn good debuff skill. I'd say it depends on your party but soloing continuously and using finale whenever I want to back it up to heal some stress works really well, especially if you get shuffled. With a debuff amulet you're almost guaranteed to lower enemy accuracy significantly.
Plus finale is damn cool

>>135521928
>>135521682
I remember when everyone was new and considered Jester shit tier.

Then they actually made it to late game.

I can't stop using kickstarter trinkets and heros. Somebody help me. I don't want to be scum anymore.

>>135525401
Jester still isn't great mostly because he isn't foolproof (pun not intended) but he is inarguably the best stress remover.

That being said, DD rewards good party composition building so Jester has no trouble being a worthwhile hero if you build your party conscious of his role.

>>135525690
It doesn't even help you that much. Just use real trinkets. You'll end up having to deal with a real downside or get like 5% less stun chance, but that's it.

>>135466079

>mammoth cyst dead
>want to finish damaged/blighted cell stalk
>miss
>teleport lel
>run into another mammoth cyst
>teleport!
>a lot of rooms later enter the beacon room again
>one hit
>quest finished

That last 25 HP took way longer than they should have.
DD3 is still easy as cake.

>>135525779
The problem is that I can't stop spending the first half hour of every playthrough sitting there in the hamlet and combing through the backer hero/trinket lists for an ideal team.
Then they do so well that they level past my ability to support going on missions, and I end up with one or two apprentice bosses queued up with nobody available to send.
Then I fuck up and try sending my A-team out on veteran missions with level 1/2 weapons and skills and eventually they get killed, or I need to take half of them off for destressing and my whole carefully planned setup falls apart and since I've been rushing for blacksmith and guild improvements to keep the ball rolling the coach is still completely unupgraded and I'm stuck trying to patch the holes in my carefully made lineups by drawing from two shitty randoms a week while my A-team needs two weeks to recover from stress because the church and tavern have maybe one upgrade each and half my roster always seem to end up with either god fearing or love interest.

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I feel like I'm off to a good start here.

>>135525690
I used to use them all the time, but my normal trinket quality has improved so much now that I never even bother using any other than a rare Starbreaker or Crest of the 1100.

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>>135527031
Well lucky you. I got 400 gold and a bust.

>>135526702
Trash your save and start again, don't give in to temptation and get any backer heroes or trinkets. Your problem is that you're riding on the backer heroes expecting you to get carried but they don't make that much of a difference compared to composition or RNG.

Don't rush blacksmith and guild, upgrade coach FIRST and get 5 heroes a week before anything else. Stop focusing on trying to make your first few heroes work for every mission, if a hero shows up with at bad quirks, send them on one mission and fire them after. You don't have to spend 1500 destressing a hero that isn't going to pull their weight, but that doesn't mean you can't use them for one mission.

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>>135527269
Can I still use Dominic Sullivan for a while just so I don't have to deal with mr. light fingers here?

>>135527748
No, if you make exceptions you'll just keep making exceptions one after another

>>135521562
>(getting an afflicted hero to 0 stress cures the affliction)
HOLY SHIT

>>135521562

>getting an afflicted hero to 0 stress cures the affliction

It's a pain doing it, but wow, it works

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>>135531625
>Jesters a shit!!

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>i forgot to buy shovels on a medium mission

>>135534608
Was it at least not the weald?

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Nightmare made material

>>135517191
He didn't rain "blight", anon.

You know what he rained.

>>135535341
It was the cove, luckily. Got 2 shovels from loot.

>>135535481
>4 Bandages

You'll pull through

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>>135535481
>no PD in the Coves
Baka desu Heir
You're literally going around asking for some snipping

>>135535754
I won't be snibbeby snapped again.

>>135535985
I'm leveling all my heroes to 5 so I can start doing Champion stuff.

Next mission will have 2 vestals.

>>135536170
Rank 2 vestal can be alright if you have the profane scroll.

>>135535481
are those toasters hanging off the crab?

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>occultist crit heals for 2
>bleed 2 for 3 turns

>>135536170
You kinda fucked up.

Might as well leave the Vestals on lower level for now, then just bring one to a Champion dungeon.

>>135536568
How much stress will they get not being level 5?

>>135536317
I have that item I think. I'll see how it works.

>>135537452
Just be sure to also give the rank 2 vestal a +acc trinket because of her low base acc.

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>>135535487

>use a campfire
>get ambushed by stress enemies

funny joke red hook. you might as well reduce the campfire points to 8 and make an ambush preventing skill mandatory.

>>135536521
>Crit! 0

>>135538236
Occultist's anti ambush is 3 : )

>>135538236
If you get 15 speed on a hero you never have to worry about not going first, even if you get ambushed

Just put 15 speed on a stunner and you don't need to stop ambushes

>>135538994

I like using Occultist's anti-ambush in combination with Hellion's booze at the end of a mission, so I don't have to worry about the debuffs.

>>135538236
Only 1/3 of the classes have ambush-prevention so it's conceivable that many party combos wouldn't have it at all.
>Occultist: Only 3 time, but causes 7 stress for everyone
>HM/HWM: -20% surprised by enemy, +20% surprise enemy
>Vestal: Heal and destress anyone with DD debuff
>Crusader: Destress self (25/15)

i just want to use every musketeer/arbalest skill. they're all useful.

>20% chance for negative perk
>80% chance for anything else
>get the negative perk

You know DD if you took me out for dinner I would let you fuck my ass without any issues. It doesn't have to be like this.

>>135539085
Isn't it your speed + 1 to 8 speed? So even if you're 15 speed you could still go after a madman or something.

>have been throwing out like 95% of my heirlooms because i'm done the town
>still have like 200 crests

they really buffed the drop rate on everything.

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>boss quest's reward is random Very Rare item
>suitable team is stress-free and available
>tfw the actual reward is pretty wack

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>vestal becomes masochistic
>bleed damage tics them to death's door
>shit gotta heal qui-
>TAKE MY BLOOD, LIGHT!
>deathblow

>>135536324
pulleys

>>135536324
Those are boat pulleys

>>135543138
>>135542816
They're called blocks, you blockheads.

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>>135438179
I had crystals for the whole party. She kept trying to charm them but everyone kept resisting it. We murdered the fuck outta that byitch

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I'm actually swimming in cash so hard that I'm locking traits left and right, but I can't find heirlooms to upgrade buildings.

Even dark runs didn't give me anything but fat stacks of gold and jewels.

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>Collector now always spawns one of each head
>can't just let him sit there with three men at arms anymore

>>135544271
at least he's not spawning triple Dismas

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>>135544709
That would honestly have been much easier to deal with.
Instead I get a buffed Dismas slaughtering with his crit dick, the MAT makes itself un-fucking-killable by stacking up to 75% PROT, and the Collector himself somehow seems to actively change his speed so that he'll always act immediately after I manage to kill one so he can call it right back up. By the time I had the fucker actually in range to hit, I needed to have my vestal concentrate on healing instead of judgement spam, and at best I got him down to 20% and bleeding before he CC'd himself into the back. By the time I get him in front again, he's been healed twice and life drained once.

Seriously, I got him down to <15% six fucking times, and he healed to full twice.

>>135544271
>letting him have a turn

now there's your problem

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>>135545407
70 fucking turns

>>135545407
Why didn't you just abandon the mission? Were they crap heroes with crap trinkets?

>>135545501
You should have heard it. Death knells every turn from bleed, eventually locking me in a loop where I just kept group healing to get everybody off the threshold and immediately getting knocked back down. Vestal took no less than four hits in a row at death's door and lived, bless her soul.

>>135545594
It was second run of the playthrough.
I figured if I won, the chance at a trinket that early would be worth it, and if I lost, then I could just start a new game without losing much.

>>135545407
ezekiel_iii ??

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>>135546024
well this happened in the first dungeon before it was fixed.

>It's a "everyone gets a negative quirk and no one gets a positive quirk" episode

>Finally got a Very Rare from Trinket Scrounge
>Martyr's Seal

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>>135546785
>it's a contradicting quirks episode

>>135546984
I got Quickdraw and Slow Draw at the same time once

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>>135546984

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Can someone explain to me how the order of actions work ? I heard it's related to speed, but I'm 20h in and I still can't predict who will act when

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>Week 26 - max # of Diseases I've gotten in a run was 2
>Week 27 - 3 rooms in an Apprentice Warrens run
>tfw 5 (!) diseases on 3 chars already

>>135549113
Your speed + a chance of 1 to 8 bonus speed. Everyone gets this bonus, so someone slower than you can actually go first if they're lucky.

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>>135549674
So you can't actually predict ?

>>135549896
is this your first experience with rng?

>>135549896
Basically. More speed helps but there's always the chance you'll be fucked.

>>135549896
calculate the average.

If something has 10 SPD, then the practical SPD is 11 + 18 / 2, or 14.5

It's reasonably reliable.

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I should really try shuffle parties out more often, they are a ton of fun.

>>135549896
Not totally, just like everything else in this game. Typically high speed heroes can usually be counted on to go pretty early on in the round though without much need to worry about whether they will or not, especially when you start hitting 10+.

>>135550176
With so much everywhere I think so, yes

>>135550282
Great, it means I don't have to bother just like before, thanks

>>135550340
>>135550381
Yeah ok, the greater the better, seems pretty logical. I'll pay more attention now

>>135457909
What's the advantage of going Houndmaster instead of MAA?

Seems like HM would just get annihilated by any Tree blows that connect.

>>135551637
I can't make the MAA work for me, he just defends and does no damage. Houndmaster combined with another marker can hit anywhere and hard, while also having a heal and debuff.

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>keep forgetting to select antiquarian before opening curios
its dog treats all over again

>>135554569
I always select her when walking so I don't forget, just take the habit to control her whenever you finish a fight

>>135551637
Let's talk Veteran level for example.

Dodgedoge has 20-30 dodge base (+5 if Evasive) based on Resolve level, then 22-25 dodge for using Guard Dog. Let's take the minimum and no Evasive, just to say worst case scenario. You're probably using Sun Cloak + Camo Cloak (or any other similar dodge item - Ancestor's Coat, etc.) for another 30 dodge.

This means worst case you've got 72 dodge vs. Giant's 85 acc for Treebranch. So he has a 13% chance to hit you. As you level up to 5, this lowers to 0% (although there might be a softcap at 80%). You should have 35-49 health, so even if he does max damage (26), you should be alright. The RNG would really have to fuck you to make you get hit twice in a row for full damage at 13% chance to hit.

As with all aspects of veteran, the whole experience becomes much easier as your team levels up.

>>135554569
>bring Aunty on a mission
>the sack is empty
>this pack has been looted
>the sack is empty
>this pack has been looted

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>>135555040
>bring aunty in a mission
>MAA keeps going "IS THAT THE GLINT OF GOLD I SEE"

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>>135555040
>bring Aunty on a mission
>forget the leper is filthy kleptomaniac
>whistles
>whistles
>whistles
>finally no whistles
>the sack is empty
>mfw he knew

And it went on like this again and agin. I swear the fucker could smell it

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>First Antiquarian in my stagecoach is a Klepto
This has to be like one of the worst class/trait combos in the game.

>>135554781
minimum chance to hit is 10%.

I did get hit by a treebranch smackdown with 125 dodge, and it was a delicious 60 damage crit.

Didn't kill the HM though

>>135554569
Wait, you need to select them to get antiques?
FUCK. I thought they were just uncommon.

>>135555901
You can have 15+ antiques on a medium mission. You just need to spam her on every object you see

>>135556010
>every object
even books and the others that dont even give loot?

>>135556112
Don't bother with non-loot curio.

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>>135558617
DELETE THIS
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>>135558784
Why? Are you worried they're all going to be nerfed?

>>135558928
Red Hook does hate fun

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>tfw losing a qt musclegirl hellion named Mariage to the hag
>on a quest for a hell's hairpin
>the high HP leper I brought to occupy the pot wasn't dipped once
I should have brought the man-at-arms.

>>135535481

wtf

the musketeer is implemented??

>>135500651
Shouldn't you be shitposting in TG threads?
>>135500531
>Its still hard with the mod.
>ye I play skyrim for time to time. Good game.
That was low test you pleb. Stop playing and get the fuck out.

>>135558985
I'll delete the album in a bit.

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>>135535481
snibedi snab

>>135559106
She's a backer only skin for Arbalest.

>>135559532
not a skin, a separate class with identical skills and stats.

>>135559658
>identical skills and stats.
So a skin.
It's just a concurrent skin with the standard one.

>>135558617
>http://imgur.com/a/034Yg
It's useless now and only works if you tick off the anti-stall option. Houndmaster/MoA can only guard one person at a time. Also cheesy as fuck

>>135559742
I wish it was a reskin, so I wouldn't be flooded with both arbalests and musketeers on my stagecoach.

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>>135550381
The wonderful ways of shuffling has opened my eyes to truly beautiful sights.

>>135559787
>You don't have to worry about reinforcements arriving because as long as two of the four enemy positions are being occupied by living targets, no reinforcements will show up.

Someone didn't bother to read it. I literally completed that mission like 15 minutes ago.

>>135559787
>It's useless now and only works if you tick off the anti-stall option

not really but yes red hook, keep believing that