/DomG/ - Dominions General

First for me

Okay, people, the last thread was terrible. Let's discuss the game and not Rejakor's cuck fetish this time.

>>134950797
Jewish bird jewing first post.

What's this about a cuck fetish?

Gythia, you can have the province you asked for in the message that I took this turn, but I'd like to have the forest both our expansion parties are next to.

>>134951030
I don't mind.

>>134949323
Who?

Okay, so I'm asking the question again : if you have a lot of gems and no wizard able to use them, what's the best option?
[] Empower a mage.
[] Trade them.
[] Transmute them.
[] I love to suck cocks and I'll answer "it depends".

>>134950996
Please, let's not start this again.

Some guy said that Rejakor's posts are like that article http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/07/29/cuckolding-the-sex-fetish-for-intellectuals.html and he suddenly became very defensive about it.

>>134951168
It's depends.
Only if they're qt feminine ones

>>134951168

Break into the path with something else than empowering. Trading is also a good option if you need some other gems right now. Empowering is expensive as fuck.

>>134951168
Alchemy should always be your last option, especially if you're not going for pearls.

Trading them could be the best choice if you're not empowering an already powerful player. For some nations breaking in other paths can be crucial. Ever saw blood Sceleria or MA Mictlan? Believe me, it's not pretty. Otherwise, it's as close to 1:1 barter as you can get.

Empowering is HUGE if you have the needed crosspaths. Let's say I have a D9 pretender. With just 50 air gems he can suddenly cast Foul Air, Wind of Death, and Wailing Winds. With 80 gems he can also cast cloud trapeze and craft flying boots. If you have huge path numbers on something (especially an immortal chassis), and there's a good spell you can cast, go ahead. N9 can suddenly cast Foul Vapors with W1. A lich can suddenly spam banefire with F1, etc.

Sometimes you just want those paths though, and it can be easily accomplished for some particular ones (W1 lets you craft bracelets, W2 + bracelets = robe of the sea or sea king's court for free W3 out of the box; D2 can craft skullstaves for D3, and then summon mound fiends etc.). Air is difficult to boost though (A4 for helmet), so most of the time it's not worth it, but again it depends.

I also love to suck cocks and answering "it depends, because you can have different opportunities in different games. You can find lizard shamans with S1N1 and suddenly you got astral and nature for some gems, and other times you'll get some good mages from the thrones.

>>134951796
>A lich can suddenly spam banefire with F1
AND craft fire boosters too. So for F1 you automatically get access to F2, which in turn allows you to cast Phoenix Power and Pyre, and then with a spare crystal shield or elemental staff you can go all the way up.

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>>134950273
/domg/ games currently waiting for pretenders

EA
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=standardeagame
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Rapturous

MA
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=SpringHawks

LA
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EdibleGloves

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>mfw getting raided all the time
End this suffering

>>134952401
Going A.I will end your suffering.

>>134952510
Going AI is for quitters

>>134952532
Playing Ulm will end your suffering.

>>134952557
I actually am playing Ulm
I haven't staled once either

>>134952264
None of those games feature sum1mod. I have a strong belief that if we want to make the game more balanced we should test the shit out of it, and not take Illwinter fuckups as granted.

>>134952401

Start raiding yourself

>tfw nearly 50% more gem income from all the raiding

>>134952401
What game? Maybe I can raid the raider.

>>134952867
NewYearNails
everyone pls dogpile jotunheim and nazca already

>>134952951
Ima raid your mom's genitals with my dedburd cock next you blacksteel fgt.

>>134952616
MA changes sometime this weekend apparently. Should get a Summon MA game then.

>>134952951
that's rude, ulm
I didn't raid you or shit, senpai

>>134953452
I saw what happened to the poor innocent skeletons, you can't fool me!

>>134953515
>poor skeletons
>ermor
a-anon?

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This seems fair and balanced for a cap only sacred on a nation that has mundane researchers and res producer mages

>>134953583
This looks like something I'd love to put some wacky bless on.

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Made that from memory. Anyone has the original one?

>>134953583
>28 morale

Good thing we have Fearburds

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>>134953715

>>134953767
Thanks mate.

Shoulda made the bullied smaller than that.

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>>134953703
They get this too as their heavy troops

>>134953543
Skeletons got bullied out of the game when they did nothing wrong.

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>>134953583
>flying elves in power armor
I think we're done here. This is the end.

Post the mod files, I want to play them already.

>>134953583
That's at least 100 gold to expensive.

>>134953583
It only has what, 2 attacks per square and it's not even that unkillable.
It looks great but not exactly horrifying like some of the blender type monsters.

>>134953850
not even elves, just hoburg+vaetti science, thats their only troop with glamour, I dont even know why

We need nationgen game that's more broken than current natio gen.
Maybe like 4 nations in current one have really high powerlevels, we need to go deeper.

>>134953989
Hoburg stealth forcefields?

>>134953583
I knew I should have generated more Spessmureens before picking one...
Other things they can have:
'poison/fire/ice spewers' (dragon's breath as an intrinsic weapon)
Ethereal
Fireshield
Deathfire
Secondshape
0 enc (Mine have this)
Morale about 30
Magic weapons
Fear

>>134953989
Well, if you invert the polarity of a hologram-based stealth field generator, it stands to reason that it could create holographic duplicates of itself.

>>134953934
buddy, those resistances are 10 MINIMUM

So, how do I bundle nations together into a new nationgen.dm?

>>134954443
Second tab of the Nationgen generator, at the bottom enter the seeds of the nations you want in.

Does hotseat play work on a pirated copy?

>>134955560
It depends.

>>134955605
Depends on what?

>>134955560
I don't see why it shouldn't, but buy the game next sale anyway.

>>134955560
Yes.

>>134955657
The version of the pirated copy. Some crash and display a red screen.

>>134955665
I plan on it, just strapped for cash right now.
>>134955698
>>134955667
>>134955665
Thanks guys

Hey, if a nation casts a global and i want to cast the same global, does my global try to dispel his or nothing happens and my global goes as planed?
global

>>134955770
Your global tries to overpower the existing global. If you spend more gems than the other guy it goes through and overwrites the original, if you don't then you just lose your gems and get nothing.

>>134955886
dont forget that caster level also matters when trying to overwrite

>>134955770
When you cast a global one of three things happens:
First, if there is the same global up, based on which was cast by a higher mage/with more gems it is either overwritten or remaind=s and blocks the new one (note this even happens if there are empty slots.
If there are empty slots, it fills the next available.
If all slots are full, it tests against a random one. Note dispell targets a slot, it can happen that your global overpowers a global in a slot that was targeted with a dispell, to then be dispelled itself dpending on the order of casting in a turn (which is random).

>>134955886
Gems over base cost, and for every level above what's needed in the base path it counts as 5 extra gems.

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Could someone post an email and set Marignon/Agartha AI?

>>134954073
Lightning bolt will still fuck a nigga up with 10 LR.

>>134956370
That's because niggas are resistant to fire and heat, not to thunder.

>>134956370
10LR is a soldid trait to survive even wrathful skies, especially if you put N9 on them.

Should we do a get well card for Mearland?

>>134956296
domganon at gmail

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>>134957325
I made one.

>>134957892
Thanks, friend.

Still need someone to set Agartha AI.

>>134958242
I'll do it.

dmariman at gmail

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>>134958323
Thanks.

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>>134958491
Wrong general.

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>>134958640
>tfw no Nep pretender

>stabbed by a wife

We should hire a private investigator to find out about those mystical circumstances. First a methhead, now this. This can't be an accident. Some dark forces are clearly at work here.

>>134960089
>stabbed by a wife on meth while your house is burning down

Whelp, looks like the Archduke was magic.

And just as I was getting my blood economy online too. Still, Immortal casters pretty legit here.

Hey, do you guys remember that one anon whose left or right side of the body went numb and had to drop out of games or some other shit? That happened almost a year ago, I think.

>>134960587
>stabbed by a stroke

>>134960372
I don't want to fight you or Ctis or Patala

>>134960587
I remember when two guys dropped out of a bunch of games with only like one or two weeks between them, both talking about needing more time to work on themselves or something like that.

That was a little over a year ago, I think.

>>134960372
What have you done.

>>134960798
Well then, what about funding a vicious proxy war?
I could be your Viet Cong

>>134960798
You weren't the one who used Corruption (or at least, if you did, Bats outdid you).

But yeah, I was content in the 5 great powers remaining in charge and alive. Now I'd have 0 issues seeing a global gangbang of bats.

I WARNED YOU ABOUT STAIRS BRO

>>134962765
Well, it could have been worse.

>>134962954
Is /domg/ ready for SBaHJ references?

>>134962954
You may yet live. I guess. How's stuff on your front?

>>134964664
I'm avoiding fights right now, as bats' Monster of IllFraud is scary. I killed some of his ozelotls that he sent in my direction, and chaff don't bother me that much. I guess if I can beat vampire lords and the demon lord I can survive. I have a shitton of mages, griffins, and good cav. Maybe I will pull through in the end, but my position is not great. I was dealt bad cards from the very start, as Xib had the easiest expansion ever on his plane of empty provinces, but I managed to drive him back from my ugly brown wastelands to his plane with griffins and firestorms. Now that midgame is over, his advantage has finally kicked in, and I stand no chance against him 1v1.

>>134965114
Well on Aqua he hasn't got demons, just infinitefrogs, so it's easier

>>134965114
Fortunately it isn't a 1v1. R'yleh is fighting him back in the Plane of Water, and C'tis was seiging him in the Plane of Fire.

And now C'tis has one hell of a reason to go for a 100% kill on bats.

>>134966143
I also made 20 shambler skin coats for C'tis before AC kicked in, so he can go north round Aqua into the plane of blood.

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Can anyone explain why this doesnt go off at all?

The guy is N1S1, he has 8 communion slaves and 4 nature gems.

>>134966684
Masters have an issue with using more gems than their non-boosted path level allows.

>>134966776
Goddamn, and then poeple say "lol communions are easy". No shit they are easy if all you do is spam gifts or some other spammable evo.
Go beyond that and suddenly there are shitty details not mentioned in the manual.

Can anyone repost the equations for slave fatigue?

>>134966215
Normally I'd be really worried about C'tis growing ever bigger, but in this case I'll make an exception and cheer him on.

>>134967137
They are on the wiki

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what could go wrong?

>>134966776
That's not entirely true. They have issues in using a gem to cast spells one level higher than what they reach (including the boost from the communion).

In >>134966684, what is happening is that the opposition is not substantial enough to trigger gem use.

>>134967502
Forgot a piece of my post. They don't have issues in using gems if, including the boost from the communion, they reach the path level of the spell they want to cast.

>>134967430
>Furs
>Leather Cap
>All kinds of armor

>Keen eyed
>Keen eyed
>Precision 8

Never change, natgen.

>>134967430
>berserk
>trample
>low defense and protection

It's gonna rack up fatigue like a motherfucker and get mobbed to death by literally any chaff unit, but at least it's going to take its share of size-3 units down before he does.

>>134967430
Honestly this isn't even close to being broken.
Minotaurs have pretty shit statline, very few of them are good.
This one can only really handle mediocre human units, anything with high defence or size 3+ will murder him.

Reminder that we need a sub for EA Pangea.

He's in a great position, with around a quarter of the map, two thrones and no threatening neighbors. No current wars, but he has just pushed Atlantis back into the seas.

>>134967727
but it has trample and is literally 21 gold anon, its expendable expansion chaff

>>134967881
Forgot the name.

>>134967881
its the baseline militia for the nation, literally any province will have a bunch

>>134967946
It's gonna suffer pretty heavy attrition.

>>134968063
And fucked up the link. Goddamn.

>>134967923

>>134968096
>literally any province will have a bunch
What

>>134967502

"Subtantianl opposition" has nothing to do at the scripting screen.

If you doubt the success of the communion, try it in a SP game. The scripting screen sometimes just fucks things up.

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Namusan!

>>134968380
Province Defense, senpai

>>134968541
Oh wait. I thought that the scripting screen's unreliability was common knowledge, and that the anon asking for advice had actually tried and failed to use that communion.

>>134968793
That's not how province defense works and you know it.

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>>134968723
Namusan!

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Why aren't my water elementals turning to ice in this Cold 3 Dominion?
Even the enemy has a ice elemental.

>>134969843
Water Bottle eles are special

>>134969843
Maybe its salt water

>>134969982
UN
PLAY
ABLE

>>134969843
They used to. I know it because water bottle army turning into ice killed a bunch of my mages with cold aura.

>>134970236
That's THEMATIC.

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Well this doesn't look good.

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>>134970381
On the plus side I got this last turn

>>134970381
>queen
>he

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0B7AI19pZwWqBM0UzSkJ4T1lzUVk
summod 0.50 out.
Might have been some powercreep. I got excited creating new mechanics.

>>134970831
Queen is another word for fag. Why did you think freddy mercury's band was named queen?

>>134970919
>I got excited creating new mechanics.
Cute~

>>134970919
Hammer
7 dmg > 8 dmg (MA Ulm, Claymen)

Maul dmg 9>10 (MA Ulm)
Does this mean that units that aren't pikemen and shield flails are viable?

>>134970919
Misc:
Sliding popkill commented out due to event cap/compatibility concerns
Weapons fixed
Telkhine Scales display properly
Spelling mistakes fixed
Abysian Crossbreeding Nerfed
Army of Rats Alt 9->8, N7->N6, 5 gems->4 gems

MA Marignon:
Angel of Fury cost->25 pearls, self-blesses, damage reflection
Angelic Host S5->S4F1, 50->40 pearls
Heavely Choir ->S5F3, 88 pearls, choir angels now get an anti-undead ranged attack
Man at Arms 1 gold discount
Flagellant 1 gold discount
Witchhunter 10 gold discount, 0.1 FAES random
Royal Guard - 10 gold discount
Knight of the Chalice - 10 gold discount
Paladin - 20 gold discount
High inquistor- not str, 0.2 S
Members of the inquisition (nonwitchfinders) can pillage in friendly provinces (with population) to generate flagellants. More flagellants are generated the higher the rank of the inquisitor. Higher dominion and the presence of a temple also provide bonuses.

MA Bandar Log
All Vanara Units -1 gold
White Ones -5 gold
Bandar Archers -1 gold
Royal Swordsmen -4 gold, +1 atk
Bandar Warriors -1 gold, +1 atk
Nagas 20->15 gems
Nagaraja 30->25 gems
Devata 40 gems, #onebattlespell an animal-only antimagic
Asrapas get a weak ranged weapon

MA Caelum
Spire Horn Archers (128) get a composite bow instead of a shortbow
Ice Bow does 9->11 damage
New Monster: Ice Enchanter. W2 with an FASD random and a AWSD random

>>134970919
>Ice Bow does 9->11 damage
Dank

>>134971194
>Members of the inquisition (nonwitchfinders) can pillage in friendly provinces (with population) to generate flagellants. More flagellants are generated the higher the rank of the inquisitor. Higher dominion and the presence of a temple also provide bonuses.
Neat.

>Sliding popkill commented out due to event cap/compatibility concerns
What does this refer to? Think I missed some of the updates.

>>134970919
It does seem like you changed quite a lot, perhaps beyond the scope of balance modding.

>play WHOA.DM
>något gick fel
Epic.

>>134971464
Due to me fucking about with Thed (I did this stuff first but not cohesively), sum1won had implemented events which changed popkill based on scales (so growth actually does something)
However events after 1000 do nothing, and it required close to 800 or something?

>>134971862
It may seem like a lot, but if you compare it to the total amount of stuff in dominions it's not much. Though Abysians generating undead snakes from crossbreeding was temporarily weird.

>>134972558
Man's new spell is weird too. Not that Man doesn't need a good bevy of helping options, I'm just not sure that one fits.

>>134970919
How does the "bond warden" spell work?

Also, any plan for Eriu?

>>134972842
Suggest some stuff then

>>134972842
Which new spell? They got two.

>>134970919
>>134971194
MA Machaka
Starting army is 20/20
Pygmies are forestrec
Witchdoctors are forestrec, 100 gold, -6 researchbonus, and N (FED)(EDN)from 80 gold FDN
Sorcerors are 195->180 gold, FDN2 (EDF) 0.25N from FDN2 1.1(EDNF)
Sorceresses are 85->90 gold, 0.1->0.4 FEDN
Machaka Archers are 9 gold
Machaka Warriors are 9 gold, the ones without javelins wear furs
Machaka Warriors and Chiefs are Foreignrec
Voices of the Lord are 115->90 gold, STR, and Foreignrec
Eyes of the Lord are 90->80 STR and Foreignrec
Ears of the Lord are 65->50 gold and Foreignrec
Bane Spiders are 80 gold and have +1 strength, +1 attack, +2 defense
Spider Warriors have +1 defense, 25->20 gold, and have dagger->poison dagger
Nonsacred spiders are now size 4, have higher strength and MR, and cost upkeep.
Mounted nonsacred spider riders are 15 gold cheaper and size 4
Hunter Spiders (Black spiders) now have Fear 5
Hoplites are 14->13 gold
MA TC
Conscription:
Eunuchs foreignrec. They can summon montag conscripts. Conscripts are militia-stat versions of the 3 footmen and the archer (ratio 1:1:1:2).
On reaching 24 exp, conscripts either desert or are promoted to regular footmen.
Masters of the Way W (WS) from W (WSAF)
Celestial Master MM2
Celestial Servant 3->2 gems
Horsemen, 5 gold discount
Heavy Horsemen, 5 gold discount
Imperial Horsemen 10 gold dicount
Redguard Springpower 25, 10 gold discount
Prince General H1 Springpower 25, 10 gold discount


>>134971128
Hopefully. (Battle Axes and Regular Flails are fine already).

>>134971464
When I added the popkill section, I added a mechanic that caused popkill to get more or less severe depending on growth scales. (Death 3 caused .8%/candle, Growth 3 caused .2%/candle)

>>134973195
>theddy popkill
So how does it work now? A flat popkill value, and only sacred reclimit changes based on Growth/Death?

>>134973458
I think so unless he's gone with a half-measure.
Hopefully their sacreds now have swords, and he didn't go through with the "useful kick" joke.

>>134973195

MA Shinyu
Kappa Shaman UW Recruitable
Size 2 Bakemono slaves
Shuten-Doji Taskmaster 2
Bakemono General Inspiration 1
Bakemono Shaman get 0.2 F, 0.2 E, 0.2 D randoms
Gozu-Mezu ->5 gems
Summon Ko Oni effects ->7++
Summon Ao Oni ->4 gems
Summon Aka Oni ->4 gems
Summon Oni -> 12->7 gems
Summon Kuro Oni 10->6 gems, 4->4+ effects
Oni General Research 6->5, 20->14 gems
Dai Oni 45->30 gems, research 8->7
Karusu Tengu research 5, 10 gems, 10+ effects
Konoha Tengu research level 2
Dai Tengu 55->40 gems
Nushi 25->20 gems
Kitsune 30->20 gems
New Ritual “Hide Heart” (D2F2, 16 gems, research 5) produces a “Ritual Assistant” that, when alone with a Sorceror on a mountain that isn’t already occupied, generates a hidden heart and makes the sorceror immortal. However, if the heart is destroyed, the sorceror dies.

MA Xibalba
Jungle Muuch mm2
Darts ammo 4->6
Muuch Warrior (Bronze): +1 morale, attack, defense, +4 gold
Theme: Stun-poison (sacreds)
Red Muuch not cap limited
Poison Dart stun damage increased to 50 (same as blowpipe)
Obsidian Warrior 26->22 gcost
muuch kahal paths
W2E1D1(WEDN)-> W1E1D1 (WD) (WEDN) or (WED)(WDN)

MA Man
Knight 45->35 gold
Avalon knight 65->50 gold
Knight commander -10 gold
Logrian Cav ->20 gold
Warden mm2
Lord warden mm2, H1
Logrian 12->11 gold
Long spear chain mail cuirass->hauberk
Logrian random AFEN->AFE
Crone Randoms: AEWN-> AN/.5EWF
New Spell: n2a1 "bewitchment" Aoe2+ confusion effect range 25 fatigue 20 ench 5
New Spell: Bond Warden - Allows a witch to bond a warden

>>134972928
Casting it creates an event that transforms a mother of avalon into an identical mage that battlestartsummons 1 warden.

>>134970919
I hate to say this, because I actually quite like the new Ice enchanter, but I think it might be going a smidge to far. maybe make them cap only?
they can make 2 gem lanterns, super charging MABirds already good research and they can summon Yata on an FD random with a D empower, which is the part that really bothers me since the Seraphs were all about not mixing Death and Fire, so why would they let their head architects do so? it also completely frees up your pretender however, so I suppose that's a plus.

>>134968878
>not 25+ PD on every single province
what are you, a poorfag?

>>134973653
>Casting it creates an event that transforms a mother of avalon into an identical mage that battlestartsummons 1 warden.
Apparently it gives them one or more additional magic levels. I'd like to know the change and the paths.

>>134973127
It's not like there's not enough English folktales to use. What about a king of the cats? Could do like Magus Bride and fuse it with Ulthuar, but it would be cool to be able to summon a duke fo cats which auto-summons cats (size one, single attack that does damage like R'lyeh's little spawn) and a king of cats that auto-spawns dukes.
Or if that's more of a LA thing, why not a Jack? The English takes are full of young men by that name killing giants through cleverness. It would be foreign recruit, stealthy and, I dunno, maybe an assassin? Thieves and tricksters don't fit Dominions too well.

>>134973195
Bond Warden. Bewitchment is cool.

>>134973195
>MA TC
Masters of the way are W1 WES, not WS. Also, they can now recruit Vaetti Hags.

>>134973195
>battle axes and regular flails
I agree that regular flails are decent since they have two attacks but why battle axes?

>>134974948
>flails with two attacks
>armor piercing crossbows
>swords are better than spears
Illwinter should just die.

>>134975118
Let's talk about how katana are superior to other comparable swords. And how they somehow deal pierce damage.

>>134975331
SUPERIOR JAPANESE STEEL etc

>>134975331
>And how they somehow deal pierce damage.
They can in real life, you know.

>>134975640
I mean they can, sure, but long swords can (and very frequently did) deal blunt damage. Is it really how you expect the weapon to be used, though?

>>134975640
Spears can deal slashing damage in real life too, you know. Or even crushing for that matter. Just like swords. That's just bad game design.

>>134971194
>MA Marignon
Angels of fury are 0 gems apiece. Somehow I don't think it's intended. While you're at it, drop a line in their description detailing the auto-bless functionality.

>>134975925
FEATURE NOT A BUG

>>134974140
It doesn't give them any new paths.

However, it gives them a small chance to gain a new path (e/w/f) as they wander away from home.

>>134975925
>>134974680

.... 0.51 will be out shortly.

>>134973127
Well, Eriu and Tir is more Irish so why not have stuff like Welsh faeries and creatures from Anderson? Redcaps, changelings, magical swans, seelie and unseelie court, etc.

Who's the best Dom4 player ever besides Rejakor?

Modpud

>>134976162
What about Ermor? Do you consider the popkill changes stable enough to run a test game at this moment?

>>134977309
me

>>134977309
The best dominions player is someone you've never heard of, who keeps all his wins a secret so one realizes how dangerous he is.

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>>134973195
>No buff for celestial hounds

>>134977721
give them awww

>>134976162
>However, it gives them a small chance to gain a new path (e/w/f) as they wander away from home.
What do you mean by this? Do they have this small chance while moving around? Is it a small chance every turn? Can they get more than one additional new path?
Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen A among what they can gain.


Also, i can't make Hide Heart work. Casting the spell makes the stealthy heart appear (shrimp sprite made me lol), but if the related Kizoku dies( by the way, why the stealth?), he doesn't come back anywhere. I've tried both in enemy and friendly dominion.
I'd also consider allowing more than one heart per mountain.

Speaking of which, did you reduce the extreme old age of the Bakemono Sorcerers?

>>134977452
Not sum1, but I'd wait for 0.51 so the bugs (especially Mari's 0 gems angels of fury) gets fixed.

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>>134966143
>>134966215

Trust me, I'm done playing nice with Xibalba. I'll go through T'ien Ch'i (temporarily) if I have to.

>>134979141

Ah, such is the fate of the hero, having to fight off multiple villains at the same time.

>>134976162
Is there any way to attach code snippets to the trello? Then I can comb through them for small bugs.

Is it possible to charm someone else's prophet?

>>134980151
If I copy and paste entire sections, sure.

>>134979670
Sadly, we let you live long enough to become the villain.

>>134982375

You all are my Rogues' Gallery and you will be defeated, because I am The Batman (Mictlan can be Robin if he wants to).

One thing I've been thinking of recently is how to thug my monstrous pretenders. Earth Snake probably has it the easiest with heavy E buffs and everything, but what about your Dragons and so forth? Anybody without serious magic capability or non-national paths that you don't really have research for yet but you need to use your pretender to turn the tide of an early war. They don't really have slots for shields and armor, so I guess just figure out whatever defensive trinkets you can forge that might make a difference? They still seem pretty squishy, though.

>>134983367
Give them a hat and whatever the best defensive misc items you can. Whatever the best is depends on what you can forge and what you're fighting. Regen rings are worth trading for if you can, reinvig items are always a good choice otherwise resists, mr or bracers of protection.

>>134983367
If you have rings of regen most awake pretenders should be safe taking on PD. You just have to keep them away from any serious armies or mages.

>>134981214
It shouldn't be possible, but i've heard tales of such things happening back in Dom 3. Same with pretenders. Most likely a bug or a result of DRN being insane.

>>134984185
I wonder if the recent patch has changed how likely that is with how the DRN on critical hits seems to be fucking up a lot.

>>134982697
It's time to gather the suicide griffin squad.

>>134951169

4/10

>>134951168

IT DEPENDS.

If you can't trade, and you can't summon a mage who can use them, I empower. But like, grudgingly. And only on someone with the crosspaths to use'em or the ability to forge stuff I need with them. Just.. turning a buttload of gems into pearls is not a bad idea if you need pearls. If you really need some gemtype, burning gems by going unneeded gems > pearls > needed gemtype is even a thing.

>>134951796

>MA Mictlan empowering instead of summoning tlahuelpuchi
>blood sceleria meaning what, what exactly is sceleria doing with minor empowered blood magic

Nothing you're saying makes much sense. Why would you waste 50 gems so a lich can cast banefire instead of shadowblast, horde of skeletons, darkness, rigor mortis, or other good death spells. You've correctly identified that crafting fire boosters is good, but then go off on a wild tangent about phoenix pyre or something. Empowering anyone with death twice in fire and then making a fire skull lets you summon Flame Spirits, who with their own fire skulls are natively f4 and can go up to f5 and cast Fire Storm. Alternatively, an empowered f1 with a hammer can just sit there making lightless lanterns forever. Or you can make a f3 to make fire spirits to increase lantern production, it all depends on income. Empowering individual mages to cast individual spells is a failure of scale. Getting more mage of that path / getting items that are useful from that path (flying boots, water breathing items, lightless lanterns, vine shields, regen bracelets) > battlefield wide enchantments (due to the chance of losing the mage and therefore your gem investment), and anything else is a waste of time.

it begins

>>134986201
Well it means we can filter him

>>134986201
What is?

>>134976919
I'd love that, please give the modding manual a glance and jot down some ideas.
>>134974364
See above, though Bond Warden is from whatever the book that Illwinter read.
>>134981325
Please do so, it's that or I start coding random shit again.

>>134987670
>whatever the book that Illwinter read.
What book?

>>134987670
>>134987765
Robert jordan's wheel of time series.
MAn has some basis on the tar valon 'witches' who bonded men making them stronger faster etc.

>>134987670
>I'd love that
I can draw the sprites too, I've been modding since the game came out.

>>134976919
Man seems like it's more southern Britain than western.

>>134987765
Man
Man is one of the first nations conceived in the Dominions universe. The nation is a conglomerate of medieval English and Arthurian concepts spiced with some fantasy elements from Ars Magica and the books of Robert Jordan. The Irish/Northumbrian monastic tradition, Anglo-Saxon society, and Welsh longbowmen are all inspirational sources. Later on, the nation turns towards scholarship paired with dark tidings. The mood in the movie Sleepy Hollow is a nice comparison.
In Dominions 4 steps has been taken to accentuate the influence of invading barbarians reminiscent of the Angles and Saxons. It is not difficult to see an early Ulm or a similar nation in the Logrian backstory.
>>134988169
I'm sure sum1won will appreciate your efforts to help, and the mod is all the better for him being accepting of ideas and suggestions.
>>134988172
Arthur was Welsh, basically, as by his time that's where most of the last of the Britons were.

>>134988397
Arthur was Dumnonian, not Welsh.

>>134988169
Also, please tell me how to sprite crossbows.
>>134988598
Okay, cornish, they're pretty much the same nowadays.

>>134988780
Steal then from other people with crossbows

>>134988780
Hence why it would make sense to have jacks killing giants, but alas it's hard to do in Dominions mechanics.

So, is there any way at all to cure insanity?

>>134988850
Unfortunately all crossbows I can steal are the exact same colour as terracotta.
>>134988916
The closest would be smacking on a secondary #sizeresist positive to a weapon....

>>134989058
Nope. It's what makes rlyeh a shit.

>>134989212
No it isn't. That would be aquatic freespawn with upkeep.

>>134975331
They have great attack and defense, but their damage is like a 1h weapon.

I'd rather have a great sword.

>>134986070
>>134951920 went off about phoenix power because he's a retard who thinks you can use that to get a F3 to summon Flame Spirits. Or maybe he intended to use a crystal shield and an elemental staff on top of that to hit F5 and summon kings of fire.

>>134988780
Copy the pixels of the crossbowmen.

>>134990957
except a demilich can summon flame spirits. you trade for a fire hat then give him a skull of fire to go with it. BAM F3, fire spirits boost to f5 BAM fire kings.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7AI19pZwWqBTDg2QnJBVXVGaFE/view?usp=sharing

Removed vaetti hag from the wrong nation, gave angels of fury an actual gemcost, ice enchanters cap only and no d/f crosspaths, reduced chances of bonded mother increasing paths (also, capped additional paths they receive.)

>>134989125
Use the colorize tool in Gimp. That's how I do my Touhou sprites.

>>134991756
>reduced chances of bonded mother increasing paths (also, capped additional paths they receive.)
Why would I want to cast Bond Warden then? Just to give a mother a bodyguard?

>>134991891
I'll try that, thanks

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But will it blend? Thats the question

>>134993351
No flight or glamour or power armor, 3/10.

>>134993351
>summer power
>causes unrest
0/10

>>134993351
If it isn't size 1, it isn't killy enough.

>>134992041
It's from ~20%/turn to ~10% a turn, with cap shifted from 4->2. At 3 gems, it's not bad.

>>134991756
That was fast. All the bugs I've reported are squashed.

>>134995689
Ok, that sounds reasonable. Without testing in a real game I couldn't say for sure, though.

>>134997263
Well good news! MA Summod game going up in about an hour unless someone else beats me to it. I'm thinking 6-8 players and would like suggestions for maps.

>>134997665
Couldn't you create the game page right now, so I can send a pretender?

>>134997665
Just make it 48 hour sign up and select a 15/province/person map based on how many people signed up.

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>when you're planning to stab each other in the back despite already being at war

Reminder that we need a sub for EA Pangea.

He's in a great position, with around a quarter of the map, two thrones and no threatening neighbors. No current wars, but he has just pushed Atlantis back into the seas.

the amount of times my brain is fapped while I'm doing my turns is too damn high

Guys, I think I might have an issue.

I see the deer riders doing several billion damage every now and again, and I saw them lose to a 2 throne.

Only to go back to the battle report and see that I've suffered no loses and have taken the province . . .

>>135001428
Yeah. Slash bug.

>>135001428
The billion damage thing is a bug with this patch, the DRN appears to be going a bit crazy.
The false battle report is also a thing that occasionally happens when llamaserver calculates the result differently from the player PC. Possibly something to do with how random number generation works? Anyway, the result on the map is the correct one.

>>135001428
New patch fucked things up. This is comonplace.

Battle log is the true result of thebattle, what you see in game is usually fake.

>>134991756
the popkill modding stuff definitely works as far as you know right?

>>135001850
I mean, I tested it for about 15 turns and it seemed alright, but feel free to check yourself if you're unsure.

>>135002010
I was just double checking because you mentioned something with popkill being commented out, and I was pretty sure it was the thed stuff but not positive.

>>135001717
>occasionally happens
It happens a lot more often now. Billion damage bug seems to cascade into fake battle results.

>>135002116
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=wittymemename
and with that answer the game is up you shitters.
map is a placeholder thrones are a placeholder.

>>135002292
Joined as Ulm.

>>135002292
>Beaten to the punch

Probably a good thing, I've never admined before.

>>135003697
it's super easy.
I just figured I'd go ahead and throw the game up now, since it's what's everyone has been waiting for.
it also means I get to kick the nation that I want :^)

>>135003941
inb4 you kick me for picking Ermor.

>>135004257
I wasn't going to kick anyone, if I wanted ermor I'd have sent it before I posted the game.

>>135003697
The only annoying part is having to find subs if somebody fucks off. It's sort of balanced by being able to grant yourself extensions if you need them.

>>135004560
Personally, I'm fond of adminning and not playing, so as soon as anybody stales three times in a row I can grab their spot.

I hate the early game, but fighting a losing mid or late game war is great.

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>tfw forget to script mages and still win in a landslide.

>>135002292
how do i join this

>>135006037
>nearly 2x the enemy's gold in unmarked alone
Not really surprising, desu.

>>135006641
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551
>not reading the OP
>>135006670
I know, he had no troops and I did, that's the only reason I won. I didn't even remember to script my thug.

>>135004560
I almost never need extensions, so being admin kind of sucks.

I do like getting to choose settings and mods though

>>135002292
What about having two starting provinces, admin?

>>135008771
I didn't even think about it honestly.
done.

>>135008934
Sweet, I really wanted to try it. Thanks.

>>135009578
I'm a big fan of it so far, seems like most games are starting with that option.

Anyone here play in other communities? Have they started upping the starting province count?

>>135010430
No.

>>135006037
steel maidens are famous for being good against giants, but being outnumbered 2 to 1 by cap only giant sacreds isn't really what they're meant to do.

>>135012290
>steel maidens are famous for taking extra-large men

And people still say EA Ulm isn't the cuck nation

>>135014825
>Good at flaying the skin from giant men
>this somehow makes Superior Ulmites Cucks

I don't get this meme

>>135015159
>Good at laying the dick from giant men

It's like you aren't even trying.

>>135012290
I know. But I should have had 0 losses. I wasn't humble bragging, I was attempting to elicit a specific emotional response, one of 'oh shit, well I suppose it all worked out in the end'

>>135015602
I'm not sure why you're suggesting we try to be cuckolds, but you keep on doing what you love.

Whoever liked the idea of the extra terracotta soldiers for MA TC you're in luck, I made them and have submitted them and the code to sum1won.

>>135016521
Or maybe I'll keep doing who you love.

>>135017465
How are those hairy palms working out for you?

>>135017696
Why do you love another man's hands?

>>135017943
Well they're quite lovable hands.

Join Rapturous we already got 9 players

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Summary of Xibalba/Ragha war

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=wittymemename
Join up fgts. 4 slots taken, will start monday 12 Eastern or tuesday morning depending.

BIG ULMISH COCK

>>135021359
>ulmish cock
>big
Lmao.

>>135021886
BIG BLACK PLATE

>>135021952
I mean, it's fine if you have to compensate. Just admit it's compensation.

>>135019759
10 players now. We apparently start when we have 12. Join up!

>>135005087
I might need to sub out of a game that's on turn 80ish in a few weeks. Not sure about that yet, though.

I wasn't able to find a replacement for Ragha, but he randomly stopped staling so I'm kinda glad I didn't.

Also, how's the game going for everyone?

Minasan and Lieneck, it would be cool if we could have a two-turn day.

What's the GitHub of that project for server software to fill the role of Llamaserver?

Are bane fire darts any gud? how about bane fire?

So how the hell are you supposed to design a pretender for Theodoros?

Do you just want to nuke all your provinces with dom 9 T3S3C3L3M3 right off the bat for a huge ghost army or what?

>>135025668
Minasan is a normie scum. He's slow and doesn't take doubleturns.

>>135026864
Anyone know where he is? Let's wipe him out so we can get this game sped up.

Reminder that we also have a vanilla MA game recruting:
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=SpringHawks

>>135026118
Darts are meh.
Banefire is amazing, it deals massive unresistable damage. Probably the best way to utilize your F/D mages in combat.

>>135027704
You should join Rapturous also (if you already haven't) I'm the other guy in SpringHawks but it'll take a while to get enough players, while Rapturous is almost ready to start

>>135026637
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Therodos_Guide

Some of the stuff in the guide is outdated, though.

>>135027704
You are neglecting to mention that anybody remotely close to their max age who happens to be near a Banefire impact is as good as dead. Area Decay is some serious shit.

>>135025528
It's going well. Seeing some of the decisions Ragha makes/has been involved with seem interesting. Some sort of 4-way will they/won't they with Jomon, Abysia, and Man, though it looks like it's a will they with Man.

Who's the cutest pretender?

>>135026864
Why the hell wouldn't you take double turns this early? How much can you possibly have to do?

Like, okay, I can understand not double-turning in shit like Stalewarriors or Flatus past a certain point, buts its still year 1.

>>135025528
Pretty well. Map is incredibly unbalanced, but three starting provinces mitigated bad starts for most players (except Patala, he was doomed since the beginning), it seems.

>>135028576
I'm hoping Patala sticks it out a little longer. I've got an offer for him this turn...

>>135028261
Earth Mother

>>134960682

this is probably the funniest thing i've seen today.

Rewrite Lord of the Rings as a Dominions Game

>>135028261
The Yazad King, it is an adorable one after all.

>>135028576
I'll keep that in mind. I hadn't seen this map used before, so I didn't realize that it was that bad. Good to know that the 3 province start is working as intended.

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Let the game begin! Good luck players.
RAPTUROUS HAS STARTED!

>>135029846
There's been some really awful starts, which the VPs in capitals let you see from turn 1.

Dumb question: If I'm in multiple games with different WH versions, what do I do with the multiple ExpandedMods folders?

>>135029521
Sarauon gets domkilled

>>135029521
Hoburgs OP

Clearly a Natgen game.

>>135033039
>Why didn't the hobbits just use take the stealthy power armor into Mordor

>>135029521
crossbows. orcs are bad at fighting in the shade. sauron shitposts on how hoburgs op.

>>135033241
>why didn't hoburgs just turn goblins into a toothpaste

How do I get started in this game?

>>135033669

With Dominions in general?

Watch Maerlande's Mictlan Let's Play. It's the closest thing the game has got to a functional tutorial. And join a MP game as soon as possible.

>>135033904
is that with his son?

>>135032092
Probably swap between them for each game. Keeping the folders somewhere easy to swap
>>135033669
1.Acquire game somehow
2. Watch some letsplayer or do the tutorial in manual even though it doesn't cover lots of shit.
3. Ask questions here
4. Play some singleplayer (12 ai's at most)
5. Play some multiplayer need a purchased copy for this
6. Lose a lot
7. Give up/git gud

>>135034079
Not as far as I'm aware.

Okay so MA Ulm seems really fun to play.
A mix of forging, evocations, rituals and interesting troop formations make me want to main this nation.

>>134977309
Anonymouse Ermorfag

>>135034426

Oh god another one.

Yes, Ulm has a forging bonus. Yes, Ulm has good evocations. But they're also the bland, cocoa-less so-called-chocolate of Dominion's discount ice cream parlor.

Please at least experiment with some other nations as well, even if it's just the vanilla of ponyrushes or the delicious strawberry of fucking bats everywhere. I'm not saying you have to try the sardines-and-engine-grease that is Shinuyama, just please, don't settle for MA Ulm immediately.

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>>135034657
BUT THEY'RE SO PERFECT DUDE
captcha: stop dead
REMOVE ERMOR

I'm getting ready for a disciples game, but I'm not sure what I should be focusing on for my disciple. I know our god will be imprisoned, so my instinct is that a monster will awaken way too late to matter and I should go with a rainbow mage. But I've never been a disciple before so I'm not sure if that's accurate.

I'm playing EA Ermor, the other team members are MA Ulm and LA Marignon. Marignon has the pretender, and is going F4S9 for angels.

>>135036284

Tell Marignon to get their head out of their arse; you don't pick a pretender based on a Conj9 spell, and if they want lesser angels they can go Blood and they can shut up and like it.

If that's not an option, know that you will be the sole provider of death for your nation, and that none of you have any nature at all. That's a goddamned travesty, so whatever you do, take that on your pretender and have them search all forests until you have a reasonable amount of magic diversity on your team.

>>135034426
>main this nation.
Play every nation. One doesn't "main" in Dominions.

>>135037454

True, but that being said, it's quite reasonable for a new-ish player - or anyone, really - to pick a few nations to try to get a handle on before trying everything else. 'Focus' in this context does mean 'be that nation in maybe two games at most', though.

>>135037724
I've never played the same nation in MP twice vOv

>>135033669
What sort of character class/magic do you like in fantasy?
For the love of all pretenders please don't say necromancy

>>135038021
hey man, Sceleria and C'tis are pretty cool.

So um, about astral corruption... That only horror marks your mages if they spend gems right? So forging and rituals are bad but communions and battlefield magic is safe? Or is it all mages are fucked no matter what, blood casting only?

>>135039367
Yeah, only rituals and forging give attacks

>>135039410

What about forging items that only use blood slaves?

>>135039579
You're gucci

I think that anything with a 'primary' path of blood is okay, but I'm not sure about that and have no idea of how to check.

>>135038021
necromancers, at the base level its pretty cool

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>>135038021

Liches of course.

>>135006037
How do people get these non-standard ui's?

>>135034657
Speaking of Ulm, how should LA Ulm get a blood economy going before pretenders?

With all blood capable nations, I'm actually very conflicted on research at the start.

Should I rush the dowsing rods out of the gate while recruiting a mage every month?

>but anon, vampires are shit
Vampires are also cool and not Iron Blizzard. If I were concerned with just tourney shitting, I'd go iron blizzard asap and ignore blood for a while.

>>135041202
>get a blood economy going before dormant pretenders*
Ideally being able to sanguine heritage once as the pretender awakens.

>>135041294
going for blood out the gate isn't awful, but a lot of people have the perception that Ulm is very strong and needs to be rushed, so you may want to play on going battlemagic first anyways (which would probably be thaum for soul slay coms rather than iron blizzard)

>>135038021
>says druid
>gets recommended Marverni
>gets rekt playing arguably worst non-UW country
>loses interest in Dominions

>>135041202
>How do people get these non-standard ui's?
mega:///#F!slcSECKR!3w21BNllKxxEZOXgC--41g

>>135041470
Marverni's not that bad dude.

>>135041485
I don't know what that is.

>>135041458
What about dowsing rods? When do people research those? I hate researching construction almost always.

>>135041470
It's his first game, he's not going to win anyway.

>>135041541
They're pretty bad.

>>135041671
If you were planning on thugging vampires, you want cons 4 anyways

Generally I go cons whenever I can do so safely. If you've expanded okay and have what you need to get an advantage for your first war already, then you can go cons 4. It's a relatively easy dip for Ulm given that your research is fantastic.

>>135041671
>I don't know what that is.
A bunch of UI mods some guy made.

There's a readme, which should tell you everything else you need to know about it.

>>135041846
>It's his first game, he's not going to win anyway.
Of course, but there's a difference between not winning and not managing to accomplish anything.

>>135041958
>it's a bunch of mods
No, I mean all that does is bring me to google which references the same string twice in the same thread. Is there a forum link?

>>135041846
Nah dude, they've got stargazers and gifts from heaven spam and hella pigs. They can do just fine.

>>135042210
Oh, it's not a URL. Mega add on must be screwing with my browser URLs.

Here's a link that works on a browser without the add-on.
https://mega.nz/#F!slcSECKR!3w21BNllKxxEZOXgC--41g

>>135042223
Every nation has something. Just "it has some options" doesn't make it good.

>>135042670
You consider Marverni worse than Abysia, Machaka, Yomi, Ermor, Kailasa, Helheim, Hinnom, and Ur? I'd say it's better than or on par with all of them.

>>135042223
>stargazers
cheap, but non-sacred, squishy, and MM1
>gifts from heaven
it's good, but it can't carry the late game
>pigs
lol MR

>>135042818
Yomi, Hinnom, Kailasa, Helheim, and Ur has some incredibly powerful mages though.

>>135042818
Of that list, it's definitively worse than Yomi, Machaka, and Hinnom. Helheim and Kailasa tends to do better than them a lot of them time too. Ur and Abysia I would consider to be worse, and Ermor on par, but those are still within the realm of the reasonably arguable.

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>>135042223
>gifts from heaven
Sometimes they hit just right.

>>135042897
Marverni has a 6 path mage. It's definitely squishier, but they do get deep magic.

I'd say Marverni's on the lower end, but they're definitely not the worst.

>>135042818
>>135042897
>>135042957
Ur isn't actually that bad it played correctly, it's just unintuitive. So Desura-tier theory-crafters think it's utter shit, but in the hands of a skilled player it becomes solidly mid-tier.

>>135043009
>deep
Shame that astral scales like shit and druids are too squishy to spam EQ

>>135043148
It can do cool stuff like suddenly get a bunch of ogres and longbows on the front line with mage support, but everything is just expensive as hell. I'd rather have Ulm for doing a similar thing.

>>135042957
>definitively worse than Yomi, Machaka, and Hinnom
I agree about two of those, but I'm not sure why Yomi deserves to be there.

>>135043148
How do you properly use Ur?

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Some of you might remember I posted a while back regarding a total conversion I'm working on. I've got about 10 nations planned so far, occupying the eastern continent, as well as one underwater nation.
I need some for the western continent though, and I'm just about fresh out of ideas. I'd rather not spoil the nations so far, until I have more to show, since spriting 20-something units per nation is taking years. As for the map, that's taking a hot minute to separate into provinces, as well, since it's going to be glory-of-the-gods-sized.

Anyway, I'd like to hear your ideas for custom nations.

>>135044353
CoE style dwarves, where queens freespawn workers and mages cast rituals that upgrade them.

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>>135044353
Also the map is pretty massive. I'm not even done yet, I'd like to have a cave system before it's finished.
>>135044531
Not sure if that's possible with the Dom4 code, but I'll give it a shot. I like the idea.

>>135044620
Two things -
Give dwarf queens Mallqui-tier costs to make the dwarves not just "indies and mercenaries"
A higher than ordinary E income from their cap plus making the basic rituals for their warriors earth based fits nicely with their theme. The all-nations earth stuff already fits great, since it's stuff like clockwork and DWARVEN hammers and boots. Then stuff like water/fire/air can be more specialty things that provide additional elemental damage and so on

>>135044531
>>135044867
Can you elaborate a bit more on what you mean by CoE-style? I haven't played CoE yet.

>>135044353
Human(ish) descendants of the frost giants.

Heavy focus on water magic and blood, national units have cold auras and better than human stats but cost similarly to abysians. Minor death/nature, nothing higher than 1 point including randoms.

Foreign recruit units are entirely human, and foreign recruit mages have fire+water magic.

>>135045087
In CoE, the dwarves have these queens, which are immobile powerful mages that produce workers automatically. They get more queens by having special advisors that can carry eggs and use them to found new colonies on mines that do not yet have a queen. Instead of recruiting their national troops, they upgrade their workers. Their mages (runesmiths) can upgrade them further by enchanting their weapons and armor to get elemental attributes.

>>135045373
>>135045558
So basically a freespawn nation that upgrades its freespawn to be not-useless?

>>135045669
The frost giant duder was proposing a new race and not talking about dwarves.

But yes, sorta. They'd be a freespawn race that relies on immobile mages producing their freespawn rather than just automatically summoning it, so more like EA R'lyeh if they could ugprade their polypal spawn but only had one mother per fort.

>>135045740
>the frost giant duder was proposing a new race
I really should read postnumbers more. Still, a good idea.
>>135045740
I like the idea anyway. Were you thinking they'd rely entirely on entirely freespawn, or would there be some national units in there as well?

>>135046026
Their national units are the workers and upgrades to the workers. It's standard dwarf fare in CoE - arbalests, armored axe dudes, etc. The gimmick is just that you get them by upgrading them rather than recruiting them.

The commanders in the Dominions port would probably just be recruitables