/dsg/ - Demon's and Dark Souls General

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>playing ds1/2
>play some red orchestra
>steam recommends this

So wait, the dude in new londo will only give you the key to the seal if you already have the lord vessel? And if i want the very large ember before then i just have to kill him and take it right.

>>126091758
yes, you need to either have the lordvessel or kill him

>>126091758
You will kill him anyway before you start NG+.
Might as well do it now.

>>126091758
Yeah he's only useful for breaking curses and selling you a spell that breaks curses

Other than that feel no remorse in blowing his head off with that dragonslayer bow, because getting to him normally is a pain

>>126091758
yes, but you can just use one of that weapons that upgrade with twinkling titanite until that, i never killed him
#sealerlivesmatter

>>126091662
Show me your whole steam library. I'm sure it's full of weeb shit other than Dark Souls.

>>126091357
>no iron bracelet
get off it dood

Is anything more fun that invading Two BellBros who are about to get a kill on the host and ruining their moment?
And of course killing the host afterwards.

>>126091957
>a spell that breaks curses
it only reduces curse buildup, it's shit. also
>dragonslayer bow
you need to get to anal rodeo for that, at that point you might as well just get the lordvessel

>>126092286
Not pictured is hotline miami and killing floor, so aside from my drunk purchases and packs of like 50 steam games I don't get why steam wants to sell me weeb shit

>>126092705

I usually just knock his head off with that because ghost house a shit, I don't know if other bows work

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>>126093060
fuck me I forgot the picture

>>126088463
Any suggestions?

>>126093697
Hard to suggest when you want something like vanilla sword and board, because you have to either put away the the sword or the board or both to have 'fun'

>>126093240
>skyrim
>bioshock infinite
>call of duty
>gta v
>left 4 dead
>saints row iv
ayy

>>126093925
I don't want vanilla, that's the point.
I just don't want people to suggest bare fist only or broken hilt with bleed infused

>>126093697
Double whips
it's not easy as vanilla, but fuck you, do it anyway

I keep having to help kill the fucking Persuer to get my humanity back so i can try to kill the Ruin Sentinals.
Fucking how bout u just kille me now.

>>126093697
Uhh I really like using 2h weapons/stabbing weapons

Estoc, Rapiers, and the like are good for PvE but have low durability so they're better for PvP

Crypt blacksword, Drakekeeper hammmer are all really good but are probably better in PvP

I don't do a lot of PvE because it's really easy in DS2, pretty much anything will get the job done there

>>126094008
The only ones I'll give you are CoD and Saints Row, bioshock infinite, skyrim and gta were pretty bad but I didn't know because I bought them pretty soon after they came out

>>126094236
why are they still installed?

>>126094310
I have a bad habbit of leaving shit installed

Like if I play a game for an hour or two and think it's shit I don't uninstall because maybe a week later I want to try it again, see if maybe it gets better

Then I forget about it and leave it installed

So Tark is supposed to give you branch of yore after you talk to him while wearing ring of whispers. But he didn´t give me anything. There´s a statue blocking my path and there aren´t any other branches I can get to right now . I already was to gutter and lost bastille. Also bought one from the old hag. What to do

>>126094153
you should have like 10 humanity by now?
also people also want help in heide most of the time
>>126093697
what have you already played?

>>126094559
Tark only gives you one after you killed his gf. Have you killed his gf?

>>126094626
Literally done one playthrough.
Mostly the usual melee+shield.
Rapier+mace most of the time with some sorcery sprinkles here and there.

>>126094723
I can´t get to his gf because a fucking statue is blocking my path


tark is a cuck

>>126094559
Tark might give you the branch after you kill the boss with him, I don't know I've never tried that though

The statues in the place you're at are not necessary to progress through the game though.

If you finished the gutter and made it to black gulch you will get another branch

There is a branch in the chest right after the bonefire in the bastille. After you kill the pursuer and take the bird to the bonfire, go left into the room with the chest and pursuer, that chest has a branch

>>126094790
Try 2h or a mix of hexes/miracles for enchanting weapons

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>>126094559
one is in the gutter
lost sinner has one
on the fall down the hole is one
in no mans wharf is one
in lost bastille is one when you follow the pursurer route

>>126094949
Thats not the way to tarks gf dummy.

Made a character with the Reinforced Club and a Light Crossbow, holy shit crossbows benefit so much from upgrades.
Still think I'm gonna regret putting all these stones into a crossbow.

>>126094949
you don't need a branch to kill his gf yo.

>There's people who still play Diarrhea Shits 2 unironically

>>126094626
Every time i die i go back to being hallow and no effigys cause no merchants left.

Also Does anyone know the required stats needed for Sun Sword?

>>126095650
i play it ironically

>>126095391
Crossbows are good utility, especially in pvp. They can be used to interrupt magic casting and finish off low-health runners. In PvE you can use it for cheesing. It has extra cheese power since you can have a shield in the other hand.

I hate anyone who uses Dark infused weapons like SBS or the Crypt Clunker, what other weapons are associated with dark infusion?

>>126095689
the dogs in bastille drop effigies
you dont need to be human every time, dont waste effigies until you are down to like 75% health
..unless you are summoning people every time and still managing to die, in which case just jump into the ocean and die

>>126095650
Diarrhea Shits 1 for life praise the sun bro

Hey Anons,

Found this from a link the the Bloodborne patch notes.

http://www.jp.playstation.com/op/bloodborne/news/2015/10/dark-souls.html

Seems that they are having a fan appreciation day with Dark Souls 3 gameplay. Can we get some anons to capture some bootleg footage of it?

>>126095689
Google.

>>126094790
Not using a shield to block makes the game more difficult but in a way, it's also more "fun".

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>>126094790
spears build is like fighting with a big rapier
halberds are quite challenging with hitting the sweet spot same for scythes
lance build is like fighting with a heavy slow rapiers but quite powerful
powerstancing weapons is also quite fun like dual falchion
best thing that you can do is a theme build I currently do dragooner (alonne armor + sanctum tiara) build with DSS and some miracles
>>126095689
sun sword 15 13 the entry in some wikis is wrong also keep your sm low and buy agape ring for some quick sunbro action for heide tower you need 20 medals or so
rats are also dropping humanity

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Made these in /v/ and thought you'd like them. Not disappointed with http://c64.superdefault.com/

>>126095689
Use the ring of binding, it's in the chest guarded by a heide knight before the dragonrider (on SOTFS at least)

Effigies are similar to humanity in DS1, just adventure around and you'll find them, they're actually pretty common to find in chests and stuff

>>126096262

Shields are a cruch, if you try them in PvP you'll get guard broken easily, they're only good for parries

Sun sword has really low reqs, if you have like 12/12 you should be able to use it

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>>126096575

>>126094723
>>126094995
>>126094996
I´m retarded there was a path behind two ruined towers

>>126095863

We'd have to have some Anons living in Japan. It's probably the same demo they used for the network test and at PSX.

>>126095650
I see you're doing your job representing the dastards splendidly.
Carry on, foul one.

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>>126096756

>>126096804
Well, i just hope you didn't waste a bunch of branches in shaded ruins because most of them are caster stuff, not very useful if you happen to be a str/dex build.

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>>126096575

Nice.

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>>126096979

I'm getting kind of tired of the English voice acting in this game. Is there a mod to replace it with the original Japanese audio but keep the English subtitles?

>>126097685
>original Japanese audio

Oh, you poor sweet child.

>>126097685
There's no Japanese audio, Miyazaki is autistic and demands the setting be totally authentic, which is why they speak their weird olde englishe.

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>>126097407

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>>126097685
In case this isn't b8, there's no Japanese voice acting option in any Souls game except for Bloodborne. A company called Frognation handles the english VAs for the game and they do a great job every time, in fact every souls game uses like 90% of the same voice acting.

>>126097685
I think you may be retarded.

>>126097813
That's disappointing but also interesting. At the very least it shows a lot of attention to detail.

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>>126097110
>1 Dec, 00:01 am

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>>126098541
What detail? It's not a generic high fantasy world so the language is more or less arbitrary.

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>>126099227

Anyone on 360 with a SL5 invader please invade in the Parish. My friend is playing and it would please me greatly if he was invaded,

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>>126100186

>>126100358
GT is Alpha Kebab

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>>126100674
why are you spamming this? ok, cool concept, nostalgia, yadda yadda, we got it

>>126100674
That's it for now.

How can I be an Apex Shitter in Dark Souls?

Right now I'm invading and pulling switches, but I want to be the most obnoxious possible.

I also run around throwing poison knives at low level players and ninja flipping.

>>126101330
Unarmed chainbackstabs.

What platform has the most active DaS community?

I'm about to start a new character on SotFS on PC and wanna beat the game without dying. I'm thinking of using the craftsman hammer and miracles, but I'm scared since you don't get any twinkling titanite until the end game, will I have trouble using a +2 craftsman hammer for most of the game? Should I just stick to a mace?

>>126101613
PC

>>126101861
A non+5 CH is so much better than the mace, you need not worry about it.

>>126101861
You can beat the game with a broken thief sword if you manage your stamina and roll.

Enemies are weak to strike. You can also get it to about +4 before you even kill all four souls.

A non upgraded CH will serve you better than a mace also.

Can anyone post the updated version of the DS2 weapon tier list.

I thought I had the right one saved but do not.

>>126101330
Buff enemies with channeler's trident.
Stunlock the shit out of them with broken weapons or Force. Duel-wielding broken weapons might be a good idea.
Aural decoy whenever they miss/get parried.
Two-hand a greatshield and constantly 'kick' them towards a death zone, ledge, enemy/group of enemies or just block their path through a narrow hallway they have to go through.

Given they will both do the same damage, what's best?

Zweihander +15 or Enchanted Claymore?

Is the scimitar in Ds2 horrible?
Love the look, but even with flyn+rob and quality build I fear it would be useless in pvp/pve

Best greathammer in DaS2?

>>126102803
Yeah it sucks. The Falchion is better and even then the best curved sword is the Warped Sword.

>>126102953
Sanctum mace

guys, I have approx 15000 souls before my SM tier cap, at which point I am permanently agaping.

Which combination of the following should I do -

repair greatsword +8 and level to 10 as backup weapon
buy warmth for fight clubs
level up other weapons, maybe an estoc for a sidearm
level up helmet/gloves/leggings (chestpiece is +10)
level up chime (only really used for force, GMB, SLB)
other suggestion

>>126102803

It's not bad at all. The moveset is awesome and I ran it on a RoB with around a 90 percent win percentage.

You could argue that the falchion is better, yes. I hate how that shit looks though.

>>126102953
Smelter Hammer

>>126103427
I don't care about poison, or poisoning myself. Just looking for the best moveset

>>126103853
>best moveset
Sanctum Mace

Is the defender greatsword any good for PvP? How about thorned?

>>126103653
Cheat engine

What is your mainhand weapon

Is it possible to complete the game with drangleic sword? I finished DS1 just with zweihander but seeing how shit UGS are in DS2 I might just stick to normal sword this time

>>126104053

I can't CE because console.

My main weapon is butcher knife.

>>126104034
Thorned greatsword is great for pvp.
I have 50 faith for mine, damage is great.
I have a high win rate with it. It's so easy to bait greatsword parries, which is so sexy.
Take advantage of dem r2's

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>mfw stunlocking fags with my zweihander

Just beat Dark Souls for the first time
I feel kind of bad because I played almost all the game with the Claymore, but I beat the last 2 places (catacoms-tomb of giants and kiln) with the silver knight spear, and I also changed my armor after losing like 10 times to the last boss to make things easier.
I kinda feel like I cheated.

I want to play as a cleric in my second playthrough
Patches was like the last npc I discovered in my playthrough. Is it possible to make him sell me the cleric set earlier?

Also, until Anor Londo (including that place) the game looked like a 10/10. The last third makes the game worse. But still a great game.

I totally missed the painted world, the return to the assylum, and the dlc, also both Solaire and Sigmeyer died.

>>126104140
It's possible to complete the game with a broken ladle

Drangleic is a normal greatsword but it's weird because it scales with dex, it's not bad, you can complete the game with it if you like but I wouldn't restrict yourself to one weapon

>>126104234
No need for warmth, most fight club owners have it

As for armor, get it as high as you can but it's not like it has to be 10, on console most people probably won't have +10 everything either

I don't know about the chime, if damage for SLB scales with chime level, again I just use everything max anyways before I start PvP

I'd say Greatsword or Estoc, whichever works best for the moveset you're used to

I don't really use butchers knife but it acts like an axe I believe, so maybe an estoc, greatsword is too heavy

>>126103653
you can repair shit for free in the DLC area, the weird tree in Shulva
you can get Warmth as a drop from rats in Grave of Saints
levelling up armor is usually pointless
the chime upgrades wont do anything for most of those spells

either save it, or level up another wep you are likely to use

>>126104945

holy shit i had no idea about the tree. Thanks man.

>>126104734

Was leaning towards the estoc, I think I will go with that. Will probably infuse too.

>>126105202
Don't infuse the estoc, it has a B scaling for strength.

Guys i cant kill the trio. I wreck them everytime when joining a group but everytime i host its shitters. Ive wated 6 effigys and killed them 4 times with others the past hour.

>>126104734
>It scales with dexterity
Into the trash it goes. I already put shitton of points into STR, so I will just get my trusty zweihander and wreck shit again

>>126105347

I have 35 faith and 40 strength. Mcduff predicts my AR will go up by like 70 if infused. Or is that misleading?

>>126105860
Remember that after infusion, your weapon will have to go through 2 defenses and will ultimately do less damage.

>>126105710
Zwei is shitty though, look on the wiki for another greatsword or ultra greatsword, many have better movesets/scaling than the zwei in 2, they nerfed it

>>126105860
It's not misleading but the thing is a net gain of only +70 AR will usually result in a net LOSS in damage because your attacks will have to go through two sets of resistances. Only a very select few weapons are better off infused than uninfused and the Estoc isn't one of them.

Unless you're willing to change your rings around to incorporate the Lightning Clutch Ring for a lightning infusion, and then make sure to always keep Sunlight Blade cast on it will mean that you'll probably do extra damage than just leaving it uninfused with a buff.

>>126106047
Some examples. Only UGS I have so far are gutt´s greatsword and pursuer´s. Should I get lost sinner´s sword?

>>126106014
>>126106141

Oh shit. My butcher knife is lightning infused as I thought the added damage from sunlight blade would make it a good idea. Should I uninfuse it?

>>126098885
What?

>>126106290
The lost sinner's sword is probably the best UGS in the game next to the Ivory King/Fume UGS, but you can't get those until much much later on so yeah grab the LSS if you want.

Belfry Luna is pretty fucking dead now. It's a real shame because it's how I used to get chunks on lower level characters.

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>1.1 million SM
>Ratbro'ng in the Funhouse of Pharros
>Unlock all the traps and extra Gryms
>Use yearn to draw them out of their spawn points so they'll actually fucking aggro the enemy
>Taunt everyone who comes in and lead them through all the enemies and traps
>If they make it tot he end, they get to fight me SER MISOGYNY
>out of 40 enemy deaths, only about 10 have made it tot he end to fight me
>Out of those 10 only 2 have one


>MFW the majority of people die int he first fucking room
The fun never ends

>>126106141
Around what AR does it actually become beneficial to split the damage? Or is there no way to know?

>>126106386
either they buffed the physical scaling or the anons are lying. i haven't played the game for long time but when i did non infused weapons were terrible.

>>126106684
Was one of the winners a guy with a merchants hat. I was running for the chunk one time and got summoned into a world matching that description

>>126106684
> 2 have one

Subscribed
Just joking my man. I personally enjoy invading bell bros who are attempting to kill their host.
Gotta make your own fun.

>>126107009
I'd say at at least a +100 increase. Even then, certain enemy and player defenses will negate the increase in AR.

>>126107097
Fuck yeah! Did you have fun? My hope is that the people who come it either enjoy it or get super fucking frustrated.

So Drangleic Sword is confirmed trash?

>>126107235
Yeah, man. You taught me that jump from the first ladder to the chunk chest. That was an intense foot-race.

>>126107340
You can still git gud with any weapon, it just means there's a steeper learning curve.

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>>126107340
Isn't it like the shortest GS?
That pretty much confirms it.

>>126107536
I'm glad to hear it. I like that jump because a good deal of players who've never seen it before miss and take some serious falling damage. That, or they roll right into the spike wall which does enough to get a healing item out of 'em.

>>126106047
Zwei has good reach, which is pretty important. It's no 2H IKGS, but it has a guaranteed 2hit combo and a faster R2.

>>126107731
I thought the Drakeblood GS was shorter, it looks shorter

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FINALLY KILLED THE RUIN SENTINALS!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmd4OLzhQw0
!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

>>126107731
>Gyrm hammer above drakekeeper

They're the exact same moveset, but drakekeeper requires 10 more points in str and has better scaling

I really want to find out who made this, I don't disagree with a lot but some of it is just weird

God damn I hate those Heide Knights with their instant attacks.

>>126107731
sanctum repeating crossbow should be on high tier
while it suffers from a bad recovery time it's really good for finishing people off and catching people off guard
that thing can do 1000+ damage with the dark magic attack

>>126108318
Good job, anon.

Not sure why you have the infused longsword though. Are you faith?

>>126109110
Naw im eric. It WAS the fire sword. But Curiosity got the best of me. I was trying to apply something along the lines of poison to it. If you didnt notice already im new. I just got the game on Sunday, its my first dark souls game.

>>126109110
why wouldnt he infuse it
physical scaling is terrible in dark souls 2

>>126109343
If he isnt faith it wont help him that much either, and deminishes bonus damage from the RoB.

>>126109309
I guess for where you are a split scaling is better. Just be mindful that doing so deminishes your physical scaling and bonus damage to add faith scaling.

>replay das1 for 100%
>decide to do some pvp for fun
>join forest hunters
>wear ring
>15 minutes pass
>nothing happened
why
I even have watchdog and it says 12 nodes

Is oolacile township the only place where people pvp on pc nowadays? I just started NG+ so can't go there now.

>>126110668
just set the townshit as the last bonfire visited and homeward bone there m8

>>126110668
I was going for some new char sunbro fun at gargoyles. 45 mins passed with 1 summon that instantly returned me.

>>126110668
because region lock

I wanna try great scythe, what build do you recommend?

>>126110668
>>126110937
>>126110978
Really? I saw 3 phantons by the lower blightown bonfire today. I was even 10 levels over the average level from doing the 4 kings early.

Weird the hotspots are slow.

Is it viable to kill the stray demon before heading to anor londo in order to have a +15 weapon?

>>126110937
Well that's too late now, I guess i'll just try to get through the game until I get there again then, maybe if i stay human I get to see some invasions but doubt it.
>>126111093
it literally says region lock is gone on the steam news tab, and like I already said watchdog states i'm connected to 12 nodes already.

>>126111495
Yes. Just bleed him out. Remember you need the very large ember too.

>>126111495
>>126111689

What I do is I take the Morning Star, the bleed is powerful enough so you don't need to upgrade it.

>>126108953
I agree. The guy who made it is autistically obsessed with the Longsword and thinks it's the best weapon in the game when it obviously isn't. At least he recognizes how good the Estoc is but aside from all the top/high tier weapons he kind of just threw everything else around haphazardly.

Also even though that's the latest version it's missing the Twinheaded Greatbow which should go in high tier IMO. The damage on that thing is beastly if you get a cheap shot off on an unaware person.

>>126111859
I do that too. You can activate red tearstone too on the shockwaves from his butt bounce as well, if you feel bold.

>>126111859
Why not use the bandit knife?

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I have never figured out how to reach this item

>>126112038
The bandit knife has to drop for you, or you have to be a thief

>>126112332
You have to come in from the grave of saunts and run and jump off the catwalk above.

>>126112339
Pretty sure it's on the Black Leather set corpse in the lower burg, no?

>>126112479
Ah now I see. I never bothered going to Grave of Saints because there is nothing usefull there to me knowledge.

>>126112532
I dont think it is, but its been a while.

>>126112645
my* ffs

ok. i have 29 vit, 30 dex, and 30 end. have black iron set and +6 elite knight set. Got the +5 crest shield, +6 grass crest shield, and a +5 silver knight sword.

Am i good to take on the artorias of the abyss DLC?

if so, what order should i play? should i kill sif, the 4kings, talk to kaathe for lore and roleplaying reasons and then play it or just place the lord vessel now to play the dlc so i get the second scene with sif.

>>126113094
AotA will wreck you first time regardless of gear. Lord Souls us whatever you feel like, man.

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>>126112532
>>126112658
According to the wiki, it doesnt, but. Will check in a bit.

Heide Lance or Heide Spear? I plan on infusing it with lightning.

>>126113650
It's a drop. I'm sure.

>>126113660
Spear for sure. Use the Greatlance, not the regular Lance, if you have to.

Is the bandit axe any good on a quality build using flynnrob in DS2?
I've never used an axe before and am about to test out a few of them. Just catching any opinions.

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Being able to upgrade armor is the worst thing to happen to the Souls series.

>>126113789
Alright cool, any idea of how my stats should look like then?

>>126113878
Of all the things to complain about, this one i don't get. Care to elaberate?

>>126113878
what

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>>126113878
agreed. glad Bloodborne doesn't have that shit.

>>126113878

They should just get rid of all upgrades, and keep an infusion type system.

Do I still need to be level 120 for pvp in das1 or does it not really matter?

>>126114376
>>126114280
I present to you: the most incorrect opinions of this thread.

I wish Souls games had more colorful armors

>>126114383
99-125 is the sweet spot.

>>126114383
If you invade, no, you can be lower and invade upward to 710
If you host, no, any level under you can invade you.
Bear in mind though pvp tries to match those 10+10% of your level on either side, and most of those are in the 100-125 range

>>126114587
>>126114679
On my char I have 16 str instead of 14 (so I could use eagle shield early on) meaning my optimal build would require level 127 instead of 125, is that fine aswell?

>>126113959
Anyone any suggestions for my str/dex/fth?

>>126114992
If you are on pc i would use CE to drop it, otherwise yeah go to 127.

>>126115228
If Das1- 27 str, 40 dex, 30 fai

If Das2- minimum str/dex for weapon, 40-50 faith

>>126115228
40 in all of them

>>126111859
>>126111495

Bandit knife is the go to bleed weapon. very light and can be used as a side arm.

>>126115372
>>126115384
It is for the Heide Spear by the way.

>>126114376
>They should just get rid of all upgrades, and keep an infusion type system.

The upgrade system is just their stat builder. It's where most of your damage comes from, and it's to ensure that you can only do so much damage at certain parts of the game. You need to reach x place to get +6-10 weapons. You need to reach y place to get 11-15 weapons. The embers allow you to not get too strong too fast, but only at the pace the game wants you to.

>>126113878

It feels like a needless chore.

>>126115592
Min max it, infuse lightning, get 40 faith, throw sunlight blade on it.

>>126113787
>>126113650
it's not a drop, it's a loot for a house in the lower burg. the last one on the right

>even bringing 3 Summons in with a buffed 10+ Greatsword with Fire, Lud and Zallen fucking rape me

Who the fuck thought this would be a good battle? Who thought the slog through mountains of shit would be fun?

>>126115815
No that is the mail breaker.
>>126115801
Base str/dex requirement, roight?

>>126115815
That is for the black leather set, and target shield. The dagger is not there. It drops from the thieves i that area.

>>126115979
Yup, just stack faith if you lightning infuse.

I have a str/faith build using a lightning butcher knife in DaS2. Right now I have 35 faith and 40 strength, but I only really use spells that dont scale from faith. Since I am working off 2 B scalings, is it worth me using a soul vessel and pumping faith instead of strength?

Fucking hell, I was on a sliver of health and so was Lost Sinner, and then I get a fucking steam connection lost message. So fucking nearly died.

>>126116184
Thanks, I appreciate the help.

>>126116550
Oh okay i thought it was just my steam that went down. Well shit. This game has me hooked now.. I go to work at 4 am come home at 12 play dark souls until steam decides to go offline. go to bed. wake and repeat.

>>126116314
Yeah, you really dont have much to drop, because you still want the sunlight blade at 30 faith. Maybe go 30 faith, but 40 str is a softcap i think. I would put those 5 in vit vig or end

>>126116885

Sorry, I was more asking if I should drop the strength in favor of faith. I'm just wondering which would yield more damage. 35 faith with 40 strength, or 50 faith with 25 strength.

>>126115979
the mail breaker is in an earlier house
>>126115987
yeah, i thought you wanted the set, my bad. yes the knife drops from those faggots

>>126117281
Oh, then yeah, with the way weapon buffs work, you want to minmax the axe and get as much lightning damage as possible. Bear in mind the damage fron SLB comes from the weapons lightning, damage, not the chimes or your bns.

Would you guys like the starting equipment equivalents from Demon Souls in Dark Souls?

I like that each class got two weapons to start off, so you could pick what you liked. Plus most of them are really early purchases anyways, so it's not like it changes much. And the weapons really compliment each other well. Examples:

Warrior
>broadsword
>spear

Knight:
>Longsword
>mail breaker

Hunter:
>Axe
>Long bow

Thief:
>Dagger
>short bow

etc

anyone else think DaS would've been better had it ended with acquiring the lordvessel?
>ends with best and most challenging boss fight instead of lol parrying
>Anor Londo is fucking huge and daunting, just like a final level should be instead of lol here's 5 black knights
>skips the awful unfinished lord souls segment

>>126116184
Oh would one of those miracle casting shields be a good combo with the spear? Or should I go for a talisman?

>>126117956
>cutting out 40% of the content on the disc
for what reason?

>>126117956
After O&S is when I quit with a whole lot of gimmick builds. Once you have killed them, there isn't much challenge left.

>>126117956
it would be better if they had actually finished the game instead of hushing

>>126117965
If you are just casting buffs, i woud go with whatever chimes cast fastest. Buffs dont go off chime strength. I dont like the chime shields because they remove parries, but they arent terrible.

>>126118117
This. But publishers have cucked every Souls game like that, even starting with DeS.

>>126118082
it's awful and literally lowers the overall quality of the game

>>126117956
>lol parrying

Not intentional.

If the game ever gets modded, making Gynm's moves unparryable is the first thing I'm doing.

>just like a final level should be instead of lol here's 5 black knights

Those guys are there more to just give you chunks to upgrade your shit for the next play through.

>skips the awful unfinished lord souls segment

The answer should be to expand these areas and finish them.

Also return to undead asylum is completely unfinished and rushed too but people tend to not mention it.

>>126118312
ds2 humor

>>126118316
second most incorrect opinion in this thread

>>126118316
Am i the only one who liked dukes and the tomb of the giants?

>>126118363
the undead asylum was the last area of the game and the most rushed one.

>>126118441
those were some of the best areas

>>126118316
Maybe you should stick to 20hourslongBorne if you're complaining "muh quality>quantity" :^)

I think you're just looking for reasons to hate on the game if you can't enjoy DaS1 in all its glory.

>>126118193
So that is the Cleric's Sacred Chime and when I'm later in the game the Dragon Chime?

>>126118316
>it's awful

Tomb of the Giants is short, and underwhelming but not bad.

Duke's Archives is actually finished.

Crystal Cave is not finished.

Lost Izaleth is not as bad as everyone says, but it really feels like something out of a Metroid or Zelda game.

Lower level of New Londo is undewhelming and short. They build up Dark Wraiths as a huge threat, but they have Black Knight movesets, are slow and easy to oneshot with backstabs. Silver Knights and Anor Londo gave me more trouble.

>>126118441
Dukes is fine, but the cave sucks. Tombs is horrible for some characters.

>>126118592
>if you don't think the game is perfect then you're just a hater
or someone who realizes the last third is rushed garbage

>>126118681
Sure, though only take the dragon if you plan on using offensive spells. Priests is an alternative to thr shield.

>>126118712
>short, and underwhelming but not bad.
That's just what your ex gf said to you eh champ?

>>126119180
At least he had a girlfriend

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>>126119353

After the bed of Chaos was destroyed should that mean that no new demons could be created?

And did Anor Londo exist with demons under ground for 1000 years?

>>126119623
Play Crown of the Ivory King, anon.

So is the DSS better than the Heide Knight Spear if you don't rely on the gimmick?

>>126119975
As I have been spamming this thread about HkS, I would actually like to know this as well.

>>126117956
are ornstein and smough really the most challenging boss fight? when I play, it only takes me between 2 and 4 tries to beat them.

>>126120524
The first time I did it they took 8 hours. It was with the zweihander.

>>126119975
>>126120128
The hks can be infused while the dss cannot. The dss might also not be able to be buffed, but i am not sure on that one.

>>126118316
yeah, sure.

>>126120524
I didn't play DaS1 blind, but I beat O&S, Kalameet, Manus and Artorias all on the first try.

>>126120128
I'm trying to determine this myself, DSS has got a shitty STR scaling and better DEX scaling than HSP. Same Lightning scaling except if the HSP is infused, then there's some intangibles like reach and speed. HSP has got the DSS beat in ATK, nearly the same Lightning damage.

>>126120614
really? maybe i was overpowered or something.
remember what equipment you had?

>>126120734
Well, my HkS is rank 7 lightning imbued with 14 Faith. It hits like a truck.

How about stam usage and recovery speed?

>>126120840
Zwei is awesome but a really slow weapon is horrible for O&S. I was wearing something like elite knight with zwei and a balder or black knight shield.

>>126120524
The first stage of O+S is really gimmicky because of the way their attack collisions dont exist. O+S is just an overrated boss because its kind if bullshit.

It is also hard for new players because their first instinct is to run, and expose themselves to O's janky dask attacks that have to retract 6 times. They are much easier to stand and fight unlocked while walk-dodging ornstein and rolling for smough.

2nd stage is just hard because new players cant dodge buttslams.

7/10 boss imo
My credentials- my fucking ng+7 clears

>>126120707
how was fighting manus? im preparing to do AotA for the first time.

>HkS is rank 7 lightning imbued with 14 Faith

Just did a 1164 hit backstab with it on Forlorn. I have to take a bath I think.

>>126121354

Yeah the fight punishes you for running because Smalls has a dash attack that can connect across the room. It's better to bait attack, attack, then run away a little bit.

>>126121174
Well the DSS is heavier than the HSP so it likely uses more stamina and has a slower recovery, but the DSS has more reach and if you bolt stab someone both the stab and bolt get counter damage applied. Just got to be perfect with spacing.

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So remind me why 4fucks is the worst non-boss in the history of gaming?

>>126118712
I just wish they had put a bonfire in New Londo so I didn't have to do the elevator again.

>>126121495
He's incredibly aggressive. Get a very stable shield if you can't dodge well, and make sure to find the Silver Pendant treasure in Oolacile, after Artorias. You need a light source to activate an illusory wall.

>>126122261
FUCK.

Not him, but I missed the light wall after manus when I did it a couple weeks ago. What's behind it?

>>126122343
Silver pendant

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I got DDS 2 and I couldn't get into it like DDS 1.
Does DDS 3 look good so far I'm just trying to avoid it as much as I can so it can be fresh for me

>>126122343
Wut

>>126122343
>>126122418
Wait, i misread that. What light wall?

>>126122485
I've never seen someone abbreviate it to DDS. I've seen DKS, DaS, but never DDS.

Anyway, DS3 looks to be shaping up to please fans of DS1 the most, they're reusing pretty much every gameplay mechanic from it and only borrowing a few things from DS2.

>>126122418
>>126122506
>>126122587
Nevermind, I'm a retard. I read that as if the silver pendant was a light source but that makes no sense. Got'cha. What's the pendant do?

Revive Dusk?

>>126122708
not him, but what specifically are they borrowing from DaS2?

>>126122836
It reflects dark magic. A few mage pvp guys also used it to bounce around the pursuer spell projectiles as they release.

>>126122846
Certain animations and gameplay mechanics from what we've seen. Probably not much from DS2's story/lore.

>>126122485
DaS3 is looking a lot more like a mix between DaS1 and Bloodborne, but the major issue with DaS2 was it's level design and how the enemies behaved, from what is currently available DaS3 seems to be fine in that regard but the same was said of DaS2 pre-release.

>>126121710
OK, shitposting aside, who else doesn't like the Four Kings? Their actual design is quite good, but the boss itself is terribly boring, and it goes against usual Souls design by being a DPS race, which means a lot of weapons that can perform perfectly fine outside of this specific boss fight do absolutely terrible if they're too slow.

Not to mention summoning, which is supposed to be an option for new players to get past a challenge instead of throwing their newfag heads against a brickwall, makes the thing way harder than it should be.

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>>126123298
>who else doesn't like 4skins
should've asked who in their right mind could actually unironically LIKE it.

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How unoriginal am I?
Chose the warped sword b/c I felt it had a nice monk feel. And I've never used it in 500 hours so its about time.

Can anyone recommend me a second weapon for my faith build? Was thinking a halberd but they are just horrible in DS2. Warp would be a backup.

>>126123298
To be honest, I don't use any summons on my first run. Yes I have to keep hitting the wall, but once you do make it, it is 10x as great.

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>>126123607
>Halberd
>horrible
You best take that back. I love my halberd.
If you want a polearm, dss or hks.

>>126123607
If you don't have an exposed chest you're not playing monking right.

>>126123886
Alright, I'll restate it.
I cant get attuned to it no matter how much I try.
>>126123980
Your brash monk is a bit different than my modest monk then

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>>126123607
>halberds
>horrible
>mastodon remains one of the best/strongest PvE weapons in the game
>vanilla halberd almost matches it if you don't get mastodon for some godforsaken reason and carries early game
>roaring halberd for hex builds
>santier's spear
>BKH

literally kys

>>126124219
Not that anon, but Roaring is so fucking difficult to hit the sweet spot with.

>>126124219
You forgot the dragonrider one for int builds.

>>126124219
Meh. I just don't like their movesets in DaS2. In DaS1 halberds were also totally over the top ezpz PvE weapons even compared to DaS2.

I just beat Dark Souls for the first time
In my second playtrhough I want to be a cleric
I dont want to wait until the end of the game to get the cleric clothes from Patches
Do any of you know of any nice combo that looks kinda like something a cleric would wear?

>>126124219
>>126124082
Just so you can read why I stated why I said it was horrible.

>>126124383
But literally the same moveset tho.

>>126124347
My bad, never used it since I don't play int so didn't know if it was any good.

>>126124338
Still has sicknasty damage

>>126124219
>>126123886
DaS2 Halberds are limited by their poor moveset, 2hr1 has especially bad tracking. Yeah on paper they're good weapons, in practice they're not very good in pvp aside from their unparryable 2hr1

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>>126124597
Unparryable?

What are some fun builds for Demon Souls?
I have already beat the game with a standard strength build + Dragon Bone Smasher.

>>126124597
>Their 1h running attack
>the 2h running attack as a finisher
>rolling attacks in either hand
>behind shield spearlike poke
>hyperarmor on most attacks

>>126122261
is a fully upgraded crest shield "stable"

>>126124884
>Using the running 2h ever
Its like you want to be parried

>>126125180
Anything that has 100% physical damage reduction and around/above 60-ish stability

>>126125180
I guess that'll do. But if you aren't using a greatshield I'd recommend the Silver Knight Shield, it's the most stable medium-sized one.

>>126125314
You do it when they roll. If you are using that while they are locked onto you and standing still, probably a bad idea.

>>126125315
Eagle Shield would like to have a talk.

>>126122261
>If you can't dodge well
If you can't dodge well then just equip the darkwood grain ring :^)

>>126125180
check your stats, man
it has 66 stability, which is pretty average for a normal shield
in comparison, >>126125339 the SKS has 76 fully upgraded and the eagle shield has 84 without requiring much investment in STR or END (it's 95% phys reduction though)

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>got 1 more sunlight medal before Sun Sword
>same guy keeps summoning me for Shitter Demon
>dies
>EVERY
>SINGLE
>FUCKING
>TIME

HOW SHIT AT THE GAME DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO HAVE TWO SUMMONS AND RUN INTO THE SMELTER'S AOE AND DIE

JESUS FUCK

THEN I'VE GOT TEN MORE MEDALS SO I CAN GET SUNLIGHT SPEAR, ALL WITH DICKHEADS LIKE THESE

>>126125710
>Using the eagle shield on manus when the balder shield exists
Unless you have a low stamina pool the balder should be fine

>>126125961
Go do another boss. Veldstad, Watcher & Defender, etc.

How's my build?
http://mmdks.com/7udy

>>126126284
Not a build pro, but 50 faith just for weapon enchants?

>>126126254
bit hard when I'm only at 500k SM and haven't even beat OIK yet :^)

>>126126284
Cleric would give you 2 more points for vit. It starts with 8 int.
Other than that, nice glass canon

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>>126126284

>>126126594
>darkmoon blade
If he had sunlight blade i would agree, but he didnt kill the trap-god for his buff

>>126126513
Im on 430k, if you are on pc I can help you.

does dexterity make offensive miracles faster, or only offensive magic spells?

>>126126445
It's a glass cannon build, so i'm taking the 70 extra damage over 200 extra hp
>>126126531
Yeah but I need the 10 int to buy the two shitty sorceries from that one guy since I need the cheevos, maybe I can use cheat engine to make a more min-maxed version that starts as cleric I suppose.

>>126126942
yeah, I'm on PC

where do you want me to meet you? can do up to Lost Sinner, Smelter Demon, anything before those and the Scorpioness

>>126127018
I think both, but its barely noticable even at 45 dex.

>>126127172
I'm close to the big fatty near Sunlight Altar, we can do mytha after. Should we get name ingraved ring?

>>126127379
hang on, big fatty

do you mean the dude with the hammer, or the sickle dude? need to make sure you're on SOTFS

have you beat Jabba the Hutt yet? also, shouldn't need it

char's name is Solaire of Astora

>>126127379
Also, what is your name? Mine is Hurr Durr

Can anyone make truly distinct faces in Dark Souls games? They all seem to be just variations of a single male/female face.

>>126127659
I meant Covetous Demon. I am SOFTS and I am in Europe.

Which is more useful, great lightning spear of wrath of the gods?

>>126127781
>>126118312

Something about STR or DEX not ending with a 0 really triggers me, yeah I know 27 is optimal for a twohander quality build but are you really going to be that much worse off with 30 STR instead of 27?

>>126127834
sweet, we should be all good then
tell me when you're ready

>>126127987
if DaS1, probably Wrath of the Gods

if DaS2:

> 45 faith: GLS
< 45 faith: most likely WoG, although it isn't the instakill like DaS1

>>126128078
I know the feeling but that's the price to pay for minmaxing. The giantdad build having 48 vit and 66 end really fucking triggers me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH0SB15hsOU

Are Solaire and Lautrec strong enough to take on the Bell Gargoyls themselves?

Is the dark souls 2 xbox community still alive? I hardly ever get invaded.

There hasn't been any summon signs near the bosses either.

>>126128078
the road of minmaxing requires you to control your ocd

>>126128078
>>126128214
You probably have autism

>>126127781
I don't like how they made crooked jewish beaks instead of proper noses for males.
Also, you can remove your eyebrows, this makes your face slightly distinct.

>>126128152
I'm standing at Covetous fog gate.

>>126128379
Alrighty

lemme get there first, gotta upgrade sun sword quickly

>>126128379
done

let's go boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis

>>126128697
That went fast and easy, summon at bonfire and rush next to next boss?

>>126128881
yeah, sure

manikins in this area are a right pain in the ass though, look out

>>126128937
Can't see sign. Are you at lower earthen peak?

>>126128937
Well, that was fun. And you did some mighty damage with that heavenly thunder.

But I'm off now, it's 3:25 here.

>>126128881
righty, you up for shitter demon and old iron cheese?

>summoned guy with a name like "you got owned" or "get rekt"
>they try to cheese you with tricks
>they fail
>get 2 shotted

every time

>>126129786
Oh wait, smelter demon is cool for me. But then i'm off. Meet at bonfire?

>>126129763
oh lel

good luck dude

>>126129803
inb4 they invite you to a group called "TRYHARD CENTRAL"

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I had so much fun on DS tonight, Finally progressing. Looking forward to more fun adventures tommrow with you guys.

>>126129803
>invade iron keep bridge
>three phantoms and a turtle host waiting for me
>manage to beat all of them and rightfully do a no-no gesture because the host was a chugging cuck
>still get angry hatemail even though the faggot was just waiting to gank invaders and still lost

>>126129924
Should I summon more people for Smelter?

Butcher's knife is insane for PvP. New fav weapon.

>>126130059
if you want

we should be fine tho

So I picked up DaS2 recently and am about to start a character built for PvP. But before I do, what soul memory/soul level should I stay below? I know in dark souls it was like 120-125 SL, but I have no clue about DaS2.

>>126130230
You need not worry about SM because of the Agape Ring. Common SL stopping points for PvP are 150-200.

>>126130201
Now that was a great Smelter Demon kill. No hits taken from anyone I think. But now I'm really stopping for the day.

>>126130797
yeah, seeya d00d

ty for free medals :^)

So do I need to summon Beatrice if I want her clothes?

>>126131301
I don't think so, just beat the four kings and her shit spawns in the valley of drakes.

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Would this be a decent build to destroy some sinning dickwraiths?

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Any fun builds for DS1? Just want to do something silly and destructive

>>126131738
I like my piggu puncher.
Fang boar helm
Steel armor and gloves
Havels leggings
Dual dragon bone fists

That and my dude ninja flipping with childs mask, thorn armor ,gloves, leggings with dual bonewheel shields

Why is the black knight sword so damn slow?

>>126108953
Wrong and wrong.
Both of them have 95% STR scaling. Identical.
Drakekeeper is a generic great hammer.
Gyrm Great Hammer has a unique moveset, with the same 2hr1 chain as the Giant Warrior Club, which combos for ~1700.
Generic great hammers don't combo 2hr1.
That's the main thing.

>>126111894
The twinheaded greatbow is not a pvp weapon. It is not usable in a 1v1 with its 2.2 second draw time.
It is for sniping and getting a cheeky arena shot in at the start of a match.
It came far after the greatbow nerfs. No.

>>126133237
fuck off retard

>>126131479
steaming hot garbage, apply yourself /10

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>>126133476
Alright, I changed it just for you. Better now?

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>>126133731
far worse
http://mmdks.com/7ue7

>>126134257
Dam should have thought about using shotel

what stats do I need to maximize the attack power of a divine pike with C faith, D dexterity and E strength?
Second playthrough and I have no idea how people calculate the diminishing return points.

Why cant I upgrade my weapon past +5 am I missing something?

>>126136180

I think only Andre can do that, and you have to choose modify weapon. not reinforce.

>>126136180
you'll need to see a blacksmith
give Andre the large ember and he can ascend it to +6
give him the divine ember and he can ascend it to divine
Rickert can ascend it to magic
Vamos can ascend it to fire

>>126136619
And the big guy can make it crystal.

Lances are slow and unwieldy, but I want to run a lance knight. Whats tips (no pun intended) I could get about their usage?

>>126130339
Okay. But what SM range is the most active?

>>126137072
all lances are usable, but chariot and grand are the best
chariot with crest of blood + shadow gauntlets will bleed things in one charge, very powerful, very long, very good, my favorite weapon
grand lance can be resin'd, and is lighter but shorter, very close in AR to chariot. extreme durability and early access means you want this one for pve
the heide lances are okay, nothing special
rampart golem lance is pretty strong with aromatic ooze but is otherwise worse than the heide lances. don't infuse it. bad durability hurts on a lance
leo ring is completely optional, minor bonus

if you care about pvp:
1h moveset is flat out better. better tracking, faster, less recovery time, and has the amazing 1hWD.
1hWR is its best move, very good with delay mixup, stellar tracking
1hr1-1hr2 will fuck up shield users fierce, they cant roll out of it
beware people with ~80 poise, they can tank 1hr1s, everything else requires hyper armor to tank
beware people who parry, don't just attack, think, make them uncertain of when you're going to charge or roll attack

>fall into stray demon's hole
>instantly does AOE attack and kills you

Not even mad since the bonfire is like 5 feet away

Do tridents not drop from chanellers anymore? I've been going at it for hours with maxed out item discovery. Is there something I'm missing?

>>126141083
it's a 3.861% chance with 410 item discovery