/domg/ - Dominions general

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Let's not let the thread go the way of Ermor

>>125475904

Because I know you're stacking Dusk Elders at your cap, and with what I have atm I couldn't overcome the skelespam.

So fish and Agartha are already at a war path? Man thats fast.

>>125479438
They're not the only ones, but this map is crazy small.

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>>125478557
TOO LATE

Also, I just added TurtlePower to the list of completed games. It was an EA game played a little over a year ago and included the mod nation Neritia (turtles), and Yomi was the winner.

>>125479691

I just want to say that my friendship CAN be bought! Feel free to bribe me with gems and gold! Nippon YES.

Marignon, message me on steam (Calcium)

>>125479851
That's good to know I guess?

>>125479942

Sure is! For just a few gems anyone can have a safe border and a loyal neighbor! All treaties honored!

>>125480032
[email protected]
I'm a bit occupied but I'm home at least.

>>125480308

Can you come to the steam chat? Would be faster.

>>125480438
Like I said home but occupied.

>>125480615
>>125480438
Were are you two? Geographically in the game that is.

Diplomacy purposes, not for elf rape.

>>125480767
Middlish of the map on the coast.

>>125480767

I'm south-central edge of the map, above the smaller sea.

>>125480308

Sent you a mail.

>>125480767
>not for elf rape
Elves don't have a concept of consent.

>>125481518
Elf males are just as willing as elf females to get rutted by thick superior cocks.

>>125480884
Jin Port coast? You next to sauro then?
>>125481365
Next to monkies?
>>125481518
We know of consent, asking people to attack us is consenting to elf dick.

>>125481681
giant cocks or yiff?

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So fellow Skeltons please teach me the secret to immortality?

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>>125481518

>>125479761
Did you miss the post where it was clearly stated that modnation games shouldn't be included?

>>125484843
He probably did. You may want to put that in the form if it's there already.

>>125487692
But I'm not poll-guy.

>>125484843

I did, but there was only one (underwater) modnation in the game and it had absolutely no impact at all on what was otherwise a normal EA game.

>>125480884

Got my e-mail?

seriously been trying to find a damn game since I started playing

everyone just says idle here and in steam but never see anything

>>125481808
exactly where I am.
>>125490863
I did, needed to be able to look at my turn first.

>>125492294
Start one then. It's not rocket science.

>>125492294
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ErfSnekening_2_Erf_Snek_Harder

>>125490863
replied.

>>125493423

Eh I guess I wont argue for limited gain, signed.

>>125494694
I had already taken that province, and had to recruit mercs to do so, or I "might" have considered it.

>>125494945

Thats fair I guess, as long as we have a one province border in the area I dont mind that much. I like defensive borders.

>>125452697
Cronemod is still used, making it the second or third most popular mod.

And Erf Snekening is off! I realised I shouldn't keep the six from Erf Snek to wait for another four on a 60 province map.

I'm not in this one, please tell me how it goes.

>>125498079
I hope everybody has a snek.

>>125498508
They do.

The good news is someone else joined.


The bad news is it refuses to start.

>>125498596
Sweet. I hope to see them in the arena.

>>125498079
i think i sent wrong pretender in for mari

>>125499303
Well, be quick, I'm dealing with whatever the problem was.

>>125499458
k done

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TEAMWORK!

Ah screw it, it's not working Plan B.

>>125502806
what's plan B?

>>125504364
Plan A was the map file that set all the indies to be erf sneks and all their gods into erf sneks.
Plan B was just the indies
Plan C was just the map.

None has worked, I shall sleep on it.

>>125504793
jesus, I didn't know we were going this deep into erfsneks

how much per gem were you looking for?

>>125504793
Plan A would have been glorious.

>>125505529
I wasn't sure what you wanted so I sent you 20 plus a pair of boots and quite a bit of gold.

Benis

>>125515264
yeah, this general is dead right now.

ho games are you in? I'm in 3 games and still no turns

>>125515680
*how many games are you in?

>>125515680
>>125515817
8 and I have three turns to do.

>>125515680
0 cause cause erfsneks hasn't even started yet

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Guys, this was supposed to be a no skeletons game...

what's the usual amount of thrones / required to win?

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I made something

Good game? Sell me on it, /vg/

>>125520196
You can wish for girls

>>125519291
y tho

>>125520387
Because Toast

>>125518638
>skellington on skellington violence.
I never said no skellies just no Ermor.

So whats considered an absolute max of map size and/or average province count per player? I know Stalewarriors on Oeridia were at something ridiculous (like 40 provinces per player on average), but what is a sane cap?

>>125522241
15 is normal. Bigger means slower. There's no absolute min or max.

>>125522426
Sorry, there is an absolute min of 1 province per player + 1 throne site.

Speaking of which, what happened to lotus clusterfuck?

>>125522426
>>125522582
There's also an absolute max, but it's very very high. This is mentioned on the dom4mods forum, in discussion for a big map. I don't know what max size is though.

>>125522241
Both of them look sane in comparison to the batshit glory of Latus.

>>125523538

It's funny, Latus was one of the two maps I was looking at (the other being World of Geometry). Was going to see if they would function on Llamaserver, then might try to start a game on one of them, after making sure the maps function (for instance, if you don't alter one of the starts in world of Geometry to be a cave, anyone trying to play Agartha with just make the map bug completely).

>>125523902
there was a game using Latus
it was called flatus
it makes sad us

>>125523902
Make it an all ages game and watch the Ermor/Lemuria alliance win

>>125524215

<All Ages Game>

These maps are big, but they're not Oeridia sized. Even Latus isn't close, more like Archaea sized.

One age would be just fine. Especially because World of Geometry isn't exactly big, its just big for the 12 people that can play on it with the starts still making sense.

Reminder that llamaserver doesn't support All Ages games.

>>125523902
Do it.
Latus is a hilarious clusterfuck.
Just don't go the way of Flatus ;_;

>>125525750

The maker of Latus is a sick fuck. Ulm and Ermor share a cap ring, as do Helheim and Vanheim in the EA. Like what the actual hell.

>>125526271
That's fucking nothing.
Look at all the preplaced sites.
Look at how some nations have entire planes filled with unhidden gem sites all to themselves.

>>125526578

I'm well aware, and is another huge turn off from Latus (trying to balance that would be hellish). But the idea of the planes at least is somewhat thematic to the map.
But Helheim and Vanheims capital literally TOUCH EACHOTHER on the map.

>>125526870
It's a glorious clusterfuck, what can I say?

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>>125523902
>>125525750
Flatus II: Revenge of Flatus

Someone has to do it.

>>125526578
>some nations get randomly assigned one of those starts:
>plane of money and no indies
>plane of wastelands
>plane of wastelands

Basically you've got a 66% chance to be completely fucked and 33% chance to win the game.

>>125519291
What a dork

Vanarus/bogarus have more weird and unique summons thana mod nation and I didn't even know it

>>125529371
yup. and all but the absolute best (discounting firebirds which are literally the best summon in the entire game) don't require Pretender Magics

how can I make sure my communion slaves cast before the master? (master has a crystal matrix)

>>125535056
When you are in the scripting screen, the order that the commanders appear in from top to bottom is the order that they will act in.

>>125535136
possible to rearrange them?

>>125535291
No. Commanders act in order of Unit ID, which is set when the unit is recruited.

>>125535341
recruit the slaves always before the master then I guess

annoying but w/e

>>125535637
Actually, unit ID is weird because after a unit that isn't in the HoF or have some sort of rebirth effect dies, its ID gets reused so commanders that are recruited later can still have earlier IDs.

>>125535709
i'd still like rearranging, but from a programming standpoint i can understand the nightmare

>>125537452
There are many, many things that can be done to make scripting in Dominions easier and better, but Illwinter's not about that kind of thing.

Is it just me or has Erfsnek2 not started yet?

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Friendly reminder monkeys (cool kind, not lanka kind) are your friends. You should gift them stuff and be nice.
Or they throw arrow at you and you die. Would be bad ending, ain't it?

>>125539654
host couldn't figure out some crazy erfsnek stuff he wanted to do, so he went to bed

Does "bringer of fortune" stack? If so, can you go Order 1 Luck 3 (or even Turmoil 3 Luck 3) on MA TC and spam ministers of rituals to get tons of good events, or do the same thing with Bogarus and firebirds?

>>125541872
There are better things to do but yes, stacking bringer of fortune will work.

>>125530185
Firebirds are just a retarded gimmick strategy

>>125548261
>No skeleton DLC character
Also, those pools are just recolors of one sprite. I'll never going to buy Illwinter fightings again.

>>125549331
The moveset is completely different on those recolours though.

>>125549539
Dude.
>no overheads
BRAVO ILLWINTER.

Any scrub can just pick Kraken and mash those 1212 until you're dead.

CoE4 has modding now!

>>125550532
Yay.

Also,
>No longer possible to steal units from stupid commanders
QUALITY.

I've got a hankering for some nature gems
Got a surplus of astral pearls.

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Hope you guys have a good turn!

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Would anyone be up for VegetableWarriors4 if I host it in early January?

>>125552616
I'll pollinate your flower nerd.

So Ulm, does the fact that the army on my border has not invaded means that we're cool, or what?

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>mindhunting innocent sitesearchers when mages are pretty much irreplaceable at this point of the game

Eyyo, what the fuck batman

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>>125558351

>>125553175
I'd like a ceasefire, if you would.

How do I beat skeletons.

>>125560762
Yeah, absolutely. Can I have 150 back? I'll pay you some gold for it.

>>125561107
If it's just skeletons, Earthquake, Rain of stones, firestorm, lots of banishment spam, solar brilliance, a heavy thug that doesn't care about skeletons hitting it, undead mastery, and probably some other things I forgot.

>>125561810
It's never just skeletons.

>>125561456
I'm loathe to but yes.

>>125562368
Thank you very much. I'll send the gold the next turn.

ded fuckers

Thread's gonna die again

Horde of Skellingtons!

So what's the nation that's best at demon summoning? I'm talking about generic demons, not nationals.

I'm thinking either LA Marignon or LA Abysia.

>>125570620
The one with cheapest bloodhunters, duh.

>>125570620
EA Mictlan or xibalba.
Mictlan has cheap plentiful bloodhunters with good cap onlies who can summon whatever you want (without boosters?)
Xibalba has even better blood but worse demon summoning capabilities (outside nat'ls)

>>125570701
So LA Mari.

>>125571195
>I'm talking about generic demons, not nationals.

>>125571195
both of those will be summoning nationals, because their nationals are better than the generics. also 'whatever you want' is dishonest as they don't get earth or air crosspaths which are needed for a few.

LA Marignon probably the best for demon summons, Abysia is good, but they like sending horrors more.

>>125571360
>demon summons
>horrors
Tough decision.

How do I deal with elephants.

>>125571884
They have shit MR and Morale, you do the math.

>>125572135
I can hardly script my mages to focus elephants can I?

>>125572285
Mages generally go for higher HP density/lower MR values.

>>125572359
Well they didn't.

I had front of 100 spearmen with +2 morale from commander and +1 from sermon, and 5 elephants killed and routed half of them in 2 turns.

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>>125572491

>>125572491
What mages did you have a what spell research?

>>125572491
What nation are you playing?

>>125572728
I had 9D4F pretender, and 2 smaller ones.. Evoc to flare, Enchatment to Horde and Conquration to something, I think the fire power thing.

>>125572781
LA Bogarus

>>125573067
>Enchatment to Horde and Conquration
what.

>>125573264
he's saying his Conjuration was up to the level where you can cast Phoenix Power, which is 2 or 3 I believe

>>125573067
Why do you have a 9D4F pretender as Bogarus?

>>125573518
9F4D my apologies. Because I thought it would be a good idea.

>>125573067
What the smaller ones are is important.
What did you script the pretender to cast? D mages have a habit of just spamming skeletons when casting.
What you want is thaumaturgy 4, for Terror, though even Thaum 1 for frighten helps. Morale checks only happen if there's a cause, so the elephants either need to take a lot of damage or a spell has to force them to take a check.
In Thaumaturgy there's also charm animal (to turn them to your side) or mind burn/soul slay for large damage that their crap MR won't stop.

>>125573264
Horde of skeletons and phoenix power nigga.

>>125573652
It was F not D sorry, I scripted only fire air shield and twist fate I think, rest was autocast. And she chucked Flare into ichtyids.

>>125573978
4D is more than enough for frighten.
Still, what's important is the other mages, your God though mighty can cast only one spell a turn.

>>125573625
Bogarus has crappy troops and sacreds but diverse and powerful mage communions, so you don't want any bless unless you like B9 khlysts for some reason. Get either an awake pretender for expansion or a rainbow to forge boosters and get you into higher tier magic, with lots of scales so you can afford lots of mages.

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Is this guy for real?

>>125577375
Maybe he is really misguided. Or going through a faith crisis.

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I forgot to do Koakuma so thanks for reminding me anon

Which nation can I try if I want T-strikes, but don't want to play elves or birds ? I am stuck with Fomoria ? I'm talking all ages here, for now I didn't find anything really appealing.

>>125581770
Bogorus can T-strike by using the power of communions.
Or really just tiny communion to set up the storm, then everybody be t-striking.

>>125581770
Midgard
Bogarus
Formoria

>>125582014
Also Lanka

>>125582240
and Pythium

>>125582240
>>125582451
Neither of those have recruit anywhere A2's, which you want if you need to do maximum thunderstriking.

>>125582598
Dakini are surprisingly spammable in addition to doing a lot of other stuff. Send Dakini to do Mistform thug things and then fly them to Thunderstrike in one decisive battle, that kind of stuff.

>>125558351
>when mages are pretty much irreplaceable at this point of the game
That's why it's worth it.

>>125582786
Dakini's are pretty cheap but if you want to use thunderstriking as a main tactic you'll have to spend more effort comparatively than just recruiting an A2 mage. Not that Lanka can't do it, it just doesn't do it as well as other nations.

>Thunderstrike

Literally NULLIFIED by Ground Army / Thunder Fend

USELESS

>>125583589
>An ench 8 and an alt 8 spell helps to counter an Evo 4/Conj 2 combo
Nice

>>125581770
Man can T strike both ages, MA is probably better at it, but LA does it cheaper.
Ur can T strike if you can make storm staves.

>>125583760
Evo 5 you nerd.

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>>125583760
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>>125584025
>muh counters
Going that way, most spells are useless. Even troops are useless.

>>125585774
Trying to be a PG is useless.
Just go back to sleep and let me handle all the hard work, ok buddy?

>>125583589
>>125584025
Thunderstrike becomes way less good when those are up, but the direct hit will still wipe out 1 square of dudes.

>>125581518
She looks really good. I like the vampire-style attack.

>>125586541
Assuming regular human troops, it would actually be worthwhile to switch to stormpower->Orb Lightning on your A2 whil keeping Tstrikes on A3s once those are up.

>>125583854
MA Man can't really thunderstrike, look at their noncap.

>>125587374
>multiple instances of smaller damage over fewer instances of large damage when flat damage reduction has been applied
Uh, not sure I agree

>>125587476
As in, the nation can cast the spell... but only 1 in 4 of mothers can do it. That's not really enough to base a strategy on. Meanwhile LA Man has A2 out of every fort every turn.

>>125587573
Fatigue values.
50 vs 5 fatigue

I miss playing this game. What is going on?

>>125589425
I miss being able to use gems freely. What happened with that?

>>125589425
>>125589642
I wish I wasn't a dirty poor pirate fag that can only paly with the shit AI

>>125589920
Anon please buy the game and play with us :3

>>125589642
But anon please don't be such a crybaby, AC is as good as a strategy as Armaggedon or Darkness :^)

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I've been considering casting a new global what do you guys think? Should I do it?

>>125590872
gib monies and I will. I recently sold most my useless TF2 junk in steam and got 25 Reais. The game costs 63. So I'm in the right way.

>>125591693
I didn't use dollars because Real is ridiculously low valued so i would have something like 5 dollars.In normal times it would be 14

>>125589425
P
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W
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R I G H T

>>125591924
>normal times

"...2:1 in 1999, reached almost 4:1 in 2002 and then partially recovered until the domestic economic crisis of 2015. The exchange rate as of September 2015 was BRL 4.05 to USD 1.00."

>>125593696
Thanks dilma

>>125591641

Do it man

Burden of time for everyone

>>125596876
He's had that for like 20 turns.

>>125597168

How do you mitigate Burden Of Time anyway?

seems like a game ender spell

>>125597489
Usually people either band together to kill the one who cast it, or they get butthurt and start chainstaling.

Shit like Burden of Time, Astral Corruption, or Wishing for armageddon is like declaring war on the entire world.

>>125597489
It doesn't affect everyone in the same way,so it's manageable for many nations. Others get fucked though. But it's not like all your troops will instantly die anyway, except if you're Abysia maybe.

>>125597826
One of those is not dispellable, does not reveal who cast it and does not end when the person who cast it dies.

Can you guess which one that is?

Which nation would you like to live in? Which is your favorite on reasons other than game mechanics?

>>125598223
it's far from a game ender, but it is a thing that needs to get dealt with.
If it gets dispelled in a few turns, it's not that terrible.
If it's got a 200+ overcast, then basically the caster needs to be killed before it grinds you down.

Utterdark is the more game ending spell unless you're a nation that has zero upkeep, or has switched to just summoning.

>>125591693
Is your pirate copy up to date (4.22)? If yes, it should work in a normal PBEM, provided there's only a single pirate and nobody is using the "original" copy yours was pirated from.

>>125598386
>One of those is not dispellable
It doesn't need to be, since unlike the other options you need to pay for it over and over.
>does not reveal who cast it
That's usually very obvious.
>and does not end when the person who cast it dies
Unless someone has lots of S9 units, yeah it does. And wiping out their faction stops it just as surely as anything else.

Seriously, Pan. You need to stop being so butthurt over Wish. Just because someone spammed it in one shitty meme game that was tailor-made for casting shit like that doesn't mean you should keep sperging out over it.

>>125598896
can you blitz with a pirated copy?

trying to convince my buddy to get it

>>125599534
Only if there are no other pirated copies in the game.

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>>125519291
pls finish this mod soon so I can be 2hu shitter in game

>>125599027
Thinking everyone that dislikes something is the same person is a sign of autism.

>>125599027
not him, but Hearland kinda got fucked up by Wishing for Armageddon too. Though part of that was Sceleria realizing how annoying the micro to win would be.

Sceleria cast wish twice to frame R'lyeh, so he could attack.
Then R'lyeh cast Wish twice
and the Sealed Ermor in a Can also cast Wish.
There might have been a sixth as well.

I think pythium eventually won after 6 players went AI after that.

>>125599797
>>125599823
Before StaleWarriors armageddon was rarely even mentioned, let along complained about. Ever since Pan went full bitchtears about it in StaleWarriors, there's someone whining about it literally every thread. Could be a coincidence, but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px0xMplZ3E8

>>125599589
why is 4.22 so hard to find pirated god damn

>>125600578
Game is too niche to bother making a crack for every new version.

>>125591110
>can't summon units because astral corruption
>can't buy units because armageddon+darkness
>can't blood hunt units because armageddon killed all but a few of my blood hunting provinces and the troops I would have patrolled even those with

g-guess I'll have to settle for these 3 gnomes my mage befriended ;_;

>>125600710
Those are actually pretty useful if you GoR them.

IIRC they're E2N2 mages.

>>125600710
But what do you mean, anon? Astral corruption doesn't make you not able to summon units, you can still do it :^)

>>125600454
I'm not really complaining. If anything it was kinda silly and fun in it's own way.
It was my first game and I was a bit caught off guard when the world just started exploding.

Just thought it was worth mentioning that it was a pretty big part of the game. We did actually talk about it a fair bit at the time. But not to complain about the spell existing.

>>125600945
I heard you can reliably summon horrors with it!

>>125600861
>can't even GoR my goddamn gnomes because AC is still up

>>125600946
Fair enough, but SW isn't really an average game, which is the only reason armageddon has such a major impact. Usually if the game reaches the stage where Wish actually gets cast and isn't used to get SCs or whatever, it's almost over anyway. Because SW is unreasonably huge, you can have a situation where armageddon gets cast and the game still might go on for 100 turns.

But of course, anyone who enters a game like that and expects it to play out like a normal game is starting off on the wrong foot anyway.

>>125599534
Or if you have a group of friends, you could set up a shared Dropbox folder and play "hotseat" with a single copy.

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lol

>>125602298
Please tell me that's vs AI.

>>125602953
Nope. Real human being.

>>125602298
>attacking a fort with merman
had it coming

>>125603334
Mainly he was too hurried. The fort looked very undefended, but he didn't ping it with a scout before storming.

>>125603241
And a real hero?

>>125605019
Not with that battle results.

I didn't catch the reference

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>>125605503

ded?

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What do you think /domg/?

>>125605503
>I didn't catch the reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSVDcw6iW8

>>125610432
Thanks

>>125610097
It works, I guess. Maybe trade a point of prod for higher dominion? None of your units are really that resource-intensive, especially the crossbows.

>>125610097
why not take a single scale in temp? you only lose a tiny amount of income

>>125610097
>dormant

what is it going to do that force you to not go imprisoned?

>m-muh hammers
if you wanted more gems a god with more diverse paths to sitesearch might work better.
you can trade in hammers for blood or astral goodies.

if you want to stay dormant i would dump heat to make your fire magic better and purchase 2 magic scales and 1 extra production for maximum bully.

>>125610657
But my units aren't that great, so Prod will allow me to pump more of them out in a brief time.
Also, what would I need Dom7 for?

>>125610710
That's not a bad idea. What do you suggest taking instead?

>>125611138
>hammers
I don't want Hammers specifically, I also want to be able to forge boots to raise my recruitable E1 into E2 (better for high level stuff in communions, easier Demon Knight summoning, Crystal Coins, Blood Stones). E4 is useful for Harbingers.

>dormant
The dormant is to get the above quicker, and because I'm not sure what to spend the extra points in.

>if you want to stay dormant i would dump heat to make your fire magic better and purchase 2 magic scales and 1 extra production for maximum bully.
Dumping heat for magic and prod is not bad.

What would I need F for, though? Angels of fury look inferior than Harbingers, and by the time I reach Conj9 for Seraphs I figure I should be able to afford a F empower (and I'd get an F boosters either through either Arch or Fallen Angels).

>>125610097
Blood hunting has a lot of common bad events and several of the demon commanders have a bad event where they break free of your control, so misfortune can actually hurt blood nations moreso than others.

You can be comfortable with either heat or cold, given that you have fire magic.

>>125613036
I didn't know that. That's a very valid point.

>>125612843
By "dumping heat to make your fire magic better" he means to improve the potency of your fire mages, not to give fire to your pretender.

>>125612843
>I don't want Hammers specifically, I also want to be able to forge boots to raise my recruitable E1 into E2 (better for high level stuff in communions, easier Demon Knight summoning, Crystal Coins, Blood Stones).

then you can wait 36 turns and get something in return.

>What would I need F for, though?

i am sorry i wanted to say " take heat scales which improve the fire evocations of your mages that will have increased chance of applying burn effects when fighting in your dominion".

>>125613259
waiting 36 turns to break into earth is rough, honestly. It sets you behind on searching, demon knight production if you're planning on using them to front line, and can make you unable to cast critical buffs in a mid game war. I can absolutely see the advantage to getting that 24 turns earlier, especially given that it comes with the added benefit of 20-40 extra gems from hammers.

>>125613259
>take heat scales
I didn't think of that. That's another valid point.

>then you can wait 36 turns and get something in return.
I can still get comfortable scales with dormant. Especially if I follow your suggestion to take Heat (2 or even 3). Also, see >>125613475

>>125613259
Speaking of which, what are the effects of the Heat scale on fatigue, and what's its interaction with fire resistance?

>>125613994
In heat 3 and cold 3 units with no resistance to fire/frost has their encumberance increased by 2. If they have 2 or 3 resist, not sure which, then the penantly is lowered to 1. With 5 resist it vanishes.

Cold and hot scales also affects how likely you are to stop burning/freezing - the formula is in the manual. Heat from Hell/Grip of Winter is better in the right scales too.

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Is this good? I feel bad about not being able to cast wish with my pretender, but infinite-luck-starspawns can have S6 so maybe I can cast it anyway.

>>125615176
You need one less point of sloth. And 2 more points of E magics

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>>125614648
Thanks. How's this looking then?

>>125615176
please test how much encumbrance the snake gets in and out of water.

theorically speaking he shouldn't be able to expand in cold3; i dont' remember about heat 3. you can still hope to expand faster than your scales and water provinces are limited to 1H/C.

>>125615625
Do you intend to play MP with these names or what

>>125615625
better but luck 1 order 3 is for cucks in my opinion.

>>125615394
what do i need resources for? I think 100 resources is easily reached with Sloth 3

>>125615625
I still think Dom6 is too low. If you take good scales you want to spread your dominion as far as you can.

>>125616093
Wow a whole 3 meteorite gaurds.
you still need E6 especially UW any less and he'll get ass fucked by some lucky shark tribe

>>125616453
Dom6 is pretty decent, especially since the Domspread rework a while back.

>>125615736
Of course not. But I label untested pretender ideas.

>>125615836
>>125616453
I might drop that Luck1 and get Dom8.

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Since we're in a pretender-sharing mood. How's this for Helheim, if I don't want a bless?

>>125618829
You need A6B6.
There's no point in your taking A4B4

>>125618829
Why wouldn't you put him imprisoned?

>>125619043
A5B5 is enough.

>>125619043
You're right. I totally forgot about item slots. I'll be forced to use the shitty Human Archmage.

>>125619128
>Why wouldn't you put him imprisoned?
Because the function of his magic paths is to ensure access to Storm via boosters (later to turn 1 Fog Warriors) instead of relying on 1 in 4 StR cap-only (that competes with another excellent mage) and Storm Demon summoning skipping 3 empowerments in B, and I'd like those things as soon as possible.

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>>125619141
>shitty Human Archmage
Or not. I can just drop a scale and get A5B5.

>>125619454
>>125619802
Wait, you're going to use the immoble fountain pretender in *combat*? First off, using pretender to cast spells is so-so, but the big problem is that fountains can't cloud trapeze.

>>125619951
>Wait, you're going to use the immoble fountain pretender in *combat*?
Why would you think this?

I need it to reach A4 to forge Winged Helmets (which Helheim cannot otherwise reach). With one of those, any single one can cast Storm, and the A3 random can cast Fog Warriors turn 1.
B is so I can forge B boosters without having to empower three times. I need that so any Vanjarl can become a Storm Demon summoner.

>>125619454
You know that every Vanadrott can cast storm without boosters, not just 1/4, right?

Access to turn 1 Fog Warriors and Robe of the Magi will be nice lategame though.

>>125619951
He seems to be planning to have him forge boosters so other mages can cast storm.

>>125620795
>any single one
Any single Hangadrott, obviously. But I can also use Vanjarls as Stormcasters.

>>125619454
>later to turn 1 Fog Warriors
>Storm Demon summoning
Both of those come relatively late into the game (although I hope you aren't planing to wait until Blood 9 with storm demon summoning), pretender being dormant is unlikely to benefit you.

>storm
Blood communions are a thing. Storm isn't exactly a cornerstone of Helheim either.
.

>>125619951
No, he's planing to forge boosters, that's it.

>>125621030
>Blood communions are a thing.
Terrible to cast Storm, which you need cast as soon as possible. The max I can get is B1, which means that the mage will pass out for a turn. Storm turn 3 is quite late. I'd have to employ on a B booster, and anyway I'd still be relying on an 1 in 4 cap-only (that competes with the dwarf).

>Storm isn't exactly a cornerstone of Helheim either
You what? The only good out-of-cap combat mage is the A2 Vanjarl. What am I going to do with them if not t-strike/elemental spam?

>later to turn 1 Fog Warriors
Helheim cannot reach A4 (and thus Winged Helmets) with recruitables. Without the Helmets there's no way I can put it up turn1

>Storm Demon summoning
Blood 4 is not late.

>>125620795
Because I'm an idiot, apparently. Crafting boosters makes sense, I guess. I'd probably want to find some other strategy to base my game around if I played Helheim, but I don't know why and I plan on never playing them.

>>125621764
*don't know what

>>125621030
>>125621764
>No, he's planing to forge boosters, that's it.
I'm planning to help my midgame.

Also, what other would I do with a pretender for Helheim? I'm not convinced by an hard bless (classic W9) at all: the sacred cavalry is too costly and a tad underwhelming for the price, the valkyries and the thugs don't need it and you can expand just fine.

Ulm, I sent you the gems that you requested for the booster. Can you make a Starshine Skullcap as well?

>>125623205
I can. I can make it this turn, and send it next, I'll send you the booster this turn, I didn't have one on hand.

>>125623431
Super. What do you want for the skullcap?

>>125621639
>good combat mage
>Vanjarl
265 gold.
For two vanjarls your enemy can field up to 15 stellar cascade casters, five skellyspamers, four thunderstrikers, 3 magma blasters.
Basically, if it comes down to blasting duels, you are fucked. Vanjarls are not a good combat mage and don't recruit them with that goal in mind. They are useable as a thunderstriker, but the impact is not strong because it's nearly impossible to achieve crticial mass.

>What am I going to do with them
Not use them as combat mages. Raiding is a lifeblood of an elf. Other than that they are your only bloodhunter. All at a very high price, you won't be swimming in them.

>Blood 4 is not late.
Blood 4 is not late, but blood economy as helheim is very slow. Your B1 bloodhunters cost 260 gold and your 260 gold blood summoners need a 20 slave item so they can summon one demon at a time. You are in a worse situation than hinnom and hinnom's blood economy is pretty painful and very slow to gear up.

>Helheim cannot reach A4
I'm not saying you shouldn't get booster capability on god, that's a must. The issue is that unlike for example LA Caelum that has same issue, your research is much slower and worse. You aren't hitting an early fog warriors, especially if you take a detour into blood and early bood economy.

>>125623517
Let me look at the turn before I say for sure. If nothing else I'll send you an offer in game.

>>125624009
You get closer to 8 cascades spammers, even with the absolute cheapest 35g mages.

>>125479867
There are many different "Calcium" people. Could you give me a link?

how exactly does looming hell work? Whats the morale check? Or is dream seduction?

>>125624429
He said two vanjarls.

Tripped me up too.

>>125624009
I don't see any alternative to my idea, if not to go Imprisoned and get slightly more scales (but they're already pretty good).

>>125624572
>how exactly does looming hell work?
Like shit.
It fails all seductions and then fails all assassinations as well.

>>125625368

Seems to rank somewhere around Admiral Torgrin's wild ride for spook level.

>>125610432
>>125605019
real human bean

>>125624609
That's silly, he shouldhave adjust the gold cost accordingly then.
(Also page 10)

>>125625368

WELL THANKS

I'm trying to getting better in the game, but i am still struggling how to play any nation well, like how do you know which school to take or which item to forge? What is the most important aspect in playing a nation?

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>>125599597
Eventually!

>>125631321
I too am new, and what I usually do is find a specific research goal to work towards, like Alt 4 for Wind Guide, then adapt from there depending on what kind of independent mages I find and what kinds of challenges I face most immediately. After that, what usually happens is some fairly large obstacle presents itself, and then I have to figure out how to use my research up to that point, any items I have and the mages and armies at my disposal within a few turns, or die trying.

>>125633016
How is the late game battles (except those with mass skeletons) usually look like? I am bit confused as some people said that after some time the only unit that matter is thugs

>>125631321
Find something that would be very useful for you, like wind guide, a good summon, or flaming arrows, and go for it. If you need an item to be able to cast something, or if you just need an item, do construction.

Assuming you have The Chalice, is there any risk to transforming an immobile pretender?

>>125635261
If you get feebleminded, you lose any globals that you put up.

>>125635384
Well, if I don't have any, then I should be fine.

So I found an Inkpot's End on a throne province. what do?

>>125635956
fort the province.

>>125635992

Well obviously. But should I also fill it with ghouls?

>>125633704
>some people said that after some time the only unit that matter is thugs
It used to be true for dominions 3 but it's not quite as true now. Thugs and SCs are still very useful but they're not the only things you want to field at lategame.

In my experience, late game wars don't usually have massive battles because both sides have battlefield clear. There's not much point making a super doomstack if it dies to turn 1 earthquakes/RoS when you actually use it.

That means you tend to have lots of raiding parties and smaller specialized armies, which thugs/SCs are very good at fighting.

>>125635261
I think you can die outright from a bad transformation. Even with the Chalice, you're likely to have your pretender out of action for a few turns while he heals.

You might also get a chassis with poor MR or health, though you can transform again I guess.

>>125623517
so... I forgot to make the coin so the cap (and coin) will be a turn late, I'll make it for you at 10s and we can call it even.

>>125636336
Can I send you any other gem type?

>>125636931
I have 4 nature, 16 death, 12 earth, and as much water or fire as you'd want.
I can also send you back the hammer I bought

>>125636303
>>125634293
I see, I currently am playing MA Shinuyama and still in expansion stage in the first year, in the Rampaging Roaches map. I find it very hard to actually beat indies without outnumbering them by large number. Is there something I do wrong? as gathering large armies early is really time consuming

>>125637226
What units are you using? With Shinu you should have no problems expanding with Dai Bakemono with longbows.

>>125635261
most forms are shit m8.
big chances to get it turned into a dog or some shit like that. it's pretty rare to get an acceptable amount of hp and most forms have bad item slots

>>125637226
>>125637372
Oh, and as far as your goals go - with Shinu, you can amass a crazy number of archers and then cast Flaming Arrows with a Bakemono Sorceror. This is a strong early/mid game army, since your enemies won't have Arrow Fend up yet. Bakemono Sorcerers are actually very versatile mages - they can skelly spam, they can buff up your guys, they can use the Magma line of evocation magic, and water randoms can even throw down acid evocation to break the army for the magma and conventional attack.

>>125637074
I'll take 10D instead sure.

>>125637226
MA Shinuyama has poor troops, so it's not surprising you're having issues.

Production scales can help you make troops faster, but you might instead want to invest in an awake expander.

>>125637372
>you should have no problems expanding with Dai Bakemono with longbows.
That is surprising to me, considering the resource cost.

How do you use them to expand?

>>125637547
Yeah, but the monolith only has one misc slot.
I want at least two.

>>125637694
Well, for starters I actually take prod on Shinu explicitly for those guys. You don't need to do anything special with your script - Just have them set to fire closest and they'll whittle down the enemies as they approach and then chop them up in melee. This will make indies rout very quickly. If you're up against cavalry, get some of the little guys to eat lance hits, and then the same tactic will still work just fine.

>>125637372
I mainly use yari bakemono and the undisciplined bakemono archers. I thought you can only make very few Dai Bakemonos early so they would easily get outnumbered?

>>125637650
Got it. Sending that + the other gems you asked for.

>>125637935
How many would you be looking at per expansion party, and how many losses do they tend to take per province?

>>125638019
Uh, when you're relying on units with 8 morale, 9 hp, and low protection to tank for you, you're going to need to outnumber just about anything massively in order to win. Short bows also deal only 9 damage, so anything with armor is going to need a lot of arrows to go down.

>>125638261
Yeah, shortbows are pretty shit against anything with protection. Like, even leather armor fucks them over a good amount. Flaming arrows really, really helps archers.

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>>125638154
You don't need a lot and you shouldn't take any losses.

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>>125638154
>expansion party
>losses

>>125638810
>>125638154
So...the difference between the type of bows is their damage and range right?

Do you use the sorcerer in the early game to give morale bonus? or there is useful spell available in early game?

>>125638996
You'll lose dudes to heavy cav and, surprisingly, heavy infantry. Anything that doesn't rout quickly once it gets into melee (preferably thanks to losses that it took getting there) will be able to hit them back. While they're way more durable than the little goblins, they're not like elite sacreds.

>>125639118
I don't recruit anything other than sorcerers pretty much.

>>125639209
as shinu have some pillage bonus, is the raid/pillage move useful?

Nationgen game when?

>>125644262
when you make one.

>>125640617
Pillage is virtually never useful. You lose significantly more income than you recoup from gold. It is used solely to make land less valuable for your enemies. Raiding serves a similar purpose, with the added bonus that you don't need to be in the province to do it. Raiding the enemy capital can occasionally be good if you can't bust it, but usually that also means that their patrollers will bop your raiders anyways. The only good raiders are flying ones, honestly, since they can actually raid your enemy's rich provinces without being right next to them.

Berytos, Vanheim, saw you guys were about to stale
I've delayed 2 hours, but let me know if you have specific requirements

And in general, during the holiday month particularly around christmas and new years, there will likely be a several day break for each event

>>125644335
never made one before, but I have hosted. Anything special I would have to do?

>>125644921
not really, it's mostly just gen some fun looking nations post the nations and make the game with the mod.

>>125644921
You need to generate the nations using the nationgen tool and upload the created mod onto llamaserver (and some file sharing place for your players).

It's also expected that you look through the results and do your best to remove anything overly ridiculous before you let people start selecting their nation.

I'd suggest you create a set of random seeds outside the nationgen program, then use those seeds to create a bunch of nations. It makes it a lot easier to add or remove a nation if you need to do so, since you can just change the list of seeds and run nationgen again rather than having to edit mod files.

Remember to make more nations than players so there's a nice variety for people to choose from.

>>125639209
As you mainly hire sorcerers and longbow dai bakemono early, do you have other troop composition for later in the game?

>>125646483
You basically want max sorcerers from every fort until you can't afford them. They're slow to recruit, they're old, and they're expensive but they're still absolutely amazing mages. You want them for evo, skelly spam, buffs, everything.

As far as units and supplementary commanders go, it depends on what you're fighting against. Against stuff with low prot, massed archers with Flaming Arrows is great once you get the research for it. If your enemy is vulnerable to raiding, you can get some bandits. Tengu are pretty cool (though the lack of a bless makes them less good). You can summon up some Dai Oni to make SCs depending on what paths your enemy has. Kappa are terrible and you almost never want to get them, but if there's a nearby UW province with a small number of indies which you can use to recruit other guys to expand UW then you can waste your gold on some of them too. Dai Bakemono are generally just great units (high prot, high melee damage, and a ranged attack to force the enemy to come to you), but they are expensive and sometimes you want other stuff.

>>125645698
Seems like a lot of work. I would be okay doing it since I have a lot of free time at work. If someone were to help I think we could have a good time.

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Welp, gg.

>>125648604
Two questions - 1) Can you get a god emperor of the underworld, a god emperor of the overworld, and a god emperor of inferno?
2) What does the god emperor of inferno get?

>>125649003
I guess not at the same time, as you can't recruit a senator while this guy is alive.

Also, I never managed to get my senator to Inferno. Is that even possible? I guess you could if you have a demonologist ally. Gotta try that in my next game.

>>125649141
You can charm a senator as a demonologist. You can actually charm multiple senators. I haven't tried it on the latest patch, but only one could become the regular emprah.

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A challenger appears.

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It's not like I needed my army or 15 mages anyway.

ded

ermor

>>125615176
>awakened god for r'lyeh
No thanks. They have enough early expansion, and if you think they don't you are clearly not recruiting crab hybrids.

Get something useful late game in your god, like high astral or crosspath to get those W2F2 penetration rods or something.

Still keen on them green gems and ham

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Touhou anon here.
I completed a basic framework for an SDM mod for Conquest of Elysium called the Mage Librarian. Your starting commanders are Patchy and China, but you can recruit Sakuya and summon Koakuma early on and Remilia if you have Sakuya. Regular fairies are sorta weak with only a basic melee magic attack, but Sunflower and Maid fairies can do a little magic.
https://www.mediafire.com/?n947j5j93bngop2

>>125656430
Oh, and to install, just drop the graphics folder and the c4c file, just like you do for Dominions.
C:\Users\YourName\AppData\Roaming\coe4\mods

Let's say nation B sieges a castle of nation C. My armies (nation A) attack this province and beat the sieging forces. Is the progress of the siege carried on or reset?

>>125656430
Does modding manual for this game even exist?

>>125656909
No. I had to use the example mod as a template.

>>125656430
>can make mods for games
>good at spriting
>instead of improving the game wastes time on weeb shit
Wow.

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>>125657231
If I don't do weebshit from time to time, I will lose my /jp/ credential!

>>125651101
Huh, I didn't even know CoE had Blood Vengeance. Is Kurgi's as outrageously strong (BV +7 or something like that) in CoE as it is in Dominions?

>>125657789
Probably even stronger. In Dom4 you can use communions, high path mages etc. Here It took me 15 mages, a God Emperor, and a shitton of troops to kill him. Only God Emperor was alive at the end of the battle.

>>125657231
>implying there are mods that improve the game

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Speaking of mods. Ichtyid mod guy here. Made EA Sssla to make Sssla span through all the ages. Not really happy with the result. In short - cave lizardmen focused on disease.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/amho19ya3cheekx/sssla_ea_v0.9.rar

>>125659076
Are those zerglings?

>>125657423

no awoo pls

>>125659317
No, otyughs.

>tfw no CoE4 modding manual to make an ichtyid mod

>>125659478
Ichtyids are the most boring and stupid race in both games

>>125656606
Carried on.

I am an absolute madman, and I will start practicing my evil cackle.

Let's become the enemy of the whole world.

>>125661175
>Promised not to cast BoT

Are there any games recruiting that don't have gimmicky settings?

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>>125661175
>>125661308
I didn't do it yet. Just thinking about it.

And yeah, I promised. And Sceleria promised that he would help me, and Pelagia promised that he would help me with Sceleria.

It's not like i will survive much under Scelerian attack.

I will definitely take it off if Sceleria gets shrekt tho.

Does anyone knows what happens if your pretender is immortal and dies in friendly dominion after having casted a global?

>>125661505
Thanks for showing exactly how many gems are needed to dispel it.

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I recently found this game and I'm completely hooked. Playing single player more until I get a better sense of the game.

The first unit I encountered that seemed like bullshit was pic related. I pulled it out of the voids asshole the first turn I put my Starspawn in the gate. Did I just get lucky or is there an easy way to deal with these things that I'm missing?

>>125661715
You're lucky, anon

>>125661715
You got lucky. Usually you just get small crap from the Void, or you just lose the guy you sent into it.

>>125661683
Yeah, remember that there's some RNG component and other things that get added to that. I think you will have LOTS of fun trying to get that many pearls.

Anyway, I am still not casting it, just thinking about it.
I don't even want to fuck the whole world, but Scelerian mages are OLD and my dom has Death 3. I guess it's going to be fun for them.

What's the maxage before dying?