/wgg/ WarGames General

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>american war doctrine and philosophy is built upon the assumption that the next war will be nothing like the last, and they must prepare to fight it differently, maximizing use of new tactics and weaponry

>soviet war doctrine and philosophy is "MOTHERLAND STRONG IT WILL BE WW2 ALL OVER AGAIN XAXAXAXA)))))

>>125425552
Third for planefag shitposting

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fourth for this scenario still needs a name

>>125426759
Wacht am Weser

>>125427047
Weser was crossed a long time ago.

Well, a day, but that's pretty long in WW3 time.

>tfw really good at Wargame, WiC, and other strategy games
>even good at micro
>shit at games like CoH2
JUST

>>125426759
Highway to hell

>>125425552
Wasn't the soviet doctrine in the cold war an effort to prevent a ww2 scenario? Take the fight to enemy territory instead of the motherland like in ww2.

>>125427583
There is no such thing as being good in CoH2
You either play OKW or you loose

>>125427639
It goes through the Ruhr and into Cologne, which would have been nuked to hell and back.

Fitting, I think I'll go with that.

>>125427871
it was completely unchanged from WW2

>big level comrade, you zerg rush enemy and use artillery like it's still ww1 in fuckhueg concentration
>small level, infantry slowly march alongside tanks in huge human waves. advance in echelons (literally coming in waves) and just let artyspam carry you to victory while still taking 70% losses every battle

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>>125428286
>>125427095
>>125426759
I am proud to say that Version 1.0 of the campaign "Brüder Gegen Brüder" is ready for an initial playtest. I'll have a posted version on a new thread in the Matrix forums tomorrow morning (PST) . When it is released and played through, criticism and feedback would be appreciated, as I also want this to at least be as enjoyable for Flashpoint's community to play through as it was for me to create.

The four scenarios you see here might not be the entirety of the campaign when it's ready for a later or "official" release, and I intend to include at least one or three more scenarios that use vanilla maps.

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>>125429090
Thanks m8, you are my hero! <3

>>125429090
Oh, and if the story in that sidebar sounds retarded, it's the official game story, so don't blame me.

And don't worry, Poland is next.

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The moment you stop respecting the enemy, is the moment you find yourself dead.

How are AGEOD games. Some say theyre great but others swear against them so Im not sure

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gavin

Squad was just released on steam, what does /wgg/ think about this? /k/ is a bit unreliable being all neckbeards and innawoods idiots.

>>125428404
Proofs?

>>125432000
>bothering with games in the beta stage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU8csnZxdPA

>>125432000
i play war games, what makes you think i have a sytem that could possibly run Squad

>>125432343
Beta is the new released!
I don't remember the last time a game wasn't a beta release.

>>125432520
Because i can and i play wargames too!

>>125432000
>More expensive than arma 3 alpha was
>PR is free
Too expensive desu

>>125432626
most war games arent that intensive, half of them dont even have graphics. Why would I need a machine that can play modern FPS like this?

>>125432695
well when ever i build a PC i usually try to future proof it a little bit.

>>125433273
why, are you a casual who plays games that dont belong here?

>>125429090
>>125429152
No need to samefag.

>Those devposts in the 2000C subforum

This thing is going to be a fucking disaster

It'll be a generic plane / flightmodel with a 2000C skin plastered over it

>>125434535
Gib links

>>125434639
>flightmodel while landing is based on Kfir (israeli plane) pilot interview, which makes no sense

>Fly-By-Wire operations completely unknown, implementation is "informed guesswork"

>>Why are our missiles diving into the ground
>>What is notching?
>>Why is the radar we developed randomly losing locks?

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2592693#post2592693

Zeus being the dev

>>125435037
I love how actual ED staff had to step in because Razbam kept spouting misinformation about radars

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>>125435037
>>125435208

>>125432009
my asshole

>>125432502
Mein negger, great taste

>>125435037
the kfir is a mirage 5, it's still a dorito, but with front canards, so it should be closeish, and the french are worse than the Russians when it comes to muh secrets.

>>125436082
Secrets are like benises. The more impotent it is the more the owner wants to hide it.

>>125436274
Then you have the F-16 NASA paper which it seems like everyone and their mother uses to model the plane.

>>125435037
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2592963#post2592963


hahahaha

this guy

>>125436418
>It still is a Mirage III based delta wing

Holy shit they have literally no idea what they are talking about

>b-but both are delta wings

>FBW informed guesswork
>Radar informed guesswork
>Flightmodel informed guesswork
>RWR informed guesswork

Might as well turn it into a clickable FC3 module

>>125437089
FC3 has less infomred guess work, the FBW is correct, the RWR is correct, though performs better then it actually should.

>>125436082
kfir is based on the mirage 5

The 2000C is based on the mirage 3 with massive changes


The only thing the kfir and 2000C have in common is a common ancestor 2 generations ago and delta wings

>>125437368
Well shit son.

Guess not everyone can be based as leatherneck and have an actual mig-21 pilot program your flight model.

>>125437551
That's what everybody expects from DCS-level simulations of aircraft though

>>125437551
Even then the MiG-21 still has a lot of inaccuracies.

>>125438131
There will always be inaccuracies, even EDs stuff has inaccuracies when it comes to super sonic aircraft, it's really difficult to do, though with leatherneck some of their inaccuracies seem more out of laziness than anything else.

>>125437551
The '21s is actually not that great.
>stalling just locks you to 36AoA.
>undermodeled RWR
>SPS-141 still broken

>>125438502
They added actual stalling with one of the recent patches

If your AOA gets too high you just fall out of the sky now

>>125438620
Yeah, at a constant 36 degrees. Check the infobar.

>>125436418
>>125436418
Not surprised, RAZBAM have routinely ignored attempts by the French sim community (including French air force personnel) to help them improve the mirage.

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>>125437089

>>125439585
>(including French air force personnel) to help them improve the mirage.

fug why would they be this retarded?

also
>squad 37$
fuck no

The future of DCS looks bright:

-VEAO drama
-RAZBAM is just making planes on guesswork
-F-18 module maybe in the next 6 years
-1.5 has a million bugs but don't worry 2.0 will be released this month
-40$ for maps

How is this shit still alive?

>>125439854
People are desperate and the alternatives, minus falcon 4, are worse.

>>125439854
>1.5 buggy

To be fair, it was just that a dev released a beta that wasn't a poorly disguised demo for once.

>>125440310
What alternative is there that's not Falcon BMS?

>>125440460
HAWX

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>>125433353
No need to be salty, faggot :^)

>>125440460
http://www.combatairpatrol2.com/
http://seveng-f18.com/
There's these unreleased games that look pretty meh.

What are some underated/less discussed war games? that are good

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>>125443090
those are BTRs

>>125440570
Banned for using plebbitor-tier styles

>>125443621
>caring about themes
>being such a pleb
))))))))))))))

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>T-55a will never be useful even in close range mass attacks due to instant panic call in planes and artillery.

>>125445032
buy AA

>>125445081
The game is made in a way that the plane will always drop its payload before dying.

>>125445174
stop using bad AA, because that isnt true at all

>>125445281
Actually, the aa that -could- kill a plane before it's released its loadout is the subpar aa.

>>125446801
>Buk-M1
>Newas
>Kub-M4
lmao nigga are you high?

>>125446889
Yes, this is the subpar aa I was talking about.

>>125446801
hes still retarded and doesnt know how to use AA at all

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>>125446957
what

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>>125447210
9
K
3
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Post blowout panels.

>>125445032
>the enemy has counters to prevent me from spamming my way to victory
>this is obviously a flaw in the game

>>125448340
>only one side can spam its way to victory
>this is not a flaw in the game

>>125448340
hes just a retard who doesnt know how to micro and keeps is AA at max range constantly

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fun decks only

>>125449914
>no recon helo
Is the doomrocket hind available to armored? If yes, you're probably better off with it isntead of the underpowered nork one.

>>125450070
>doomrocket hind
was after something cheap, but that's a nice idea

>>125449914
>not using the chinese wondertanks

>>125448589
its a fact that planes prevent surprise attacks from snowballing into wins, by limiting the damage to whatever you lose in the first 10 seconds and the cost of the plane; and by the time planes run out, there's enough points in the game that surprise attacks are no longer viable

this isn't necessarily a bad thing, but..well it probably is

Torrent for Combat Mission Black Sea fukken when?

>>125449914
>mixed armor
>four tank cards

>>125452173
>3 cv
>base li jian instead of more yucks and motschutzen or komandosi, or bochongsu
>no osa-ak
>no chinese tanks
>no type 63
>no specialni jednotky
>formoza when you have li jians
>vmf instead of kampfniggers in hinds with extra fuel
>no 2800m atgm
>no aa helo
>su-24 instead of german su-22 with massively better missiles
>seria 30 instead of mig-27
>naval

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>>125439585
>(including French air force personnel) to help them improve the mirage.
Did they ever say why (like "we have our own sources, fuck off") or just pretended they don't exist?

>>125453274
Afaik, they just ignored it whenever Frenchies commented that the HUD symbology (for example) was wrong an they could PM if they wanted more info.

>>125453010
>base li jian
35 pnts for elite inf with SMG, ehats bad about that?
>seria 30 instead of mig 27
F&F
>jednotky
Already have gru
>formoza
They're pretty based desu


Everything else you said is valid enough

>>125455445
Gru kinda suck at killing infantry closer than 1km away though.

>>125455445
>base li jian
You already have enough anti-inf, what you need is anti-vehicle.
>seria 30
Veteran mig-27 simply do not miss but are somewhat more vulnerable to aa because they dive on their target, your choice.
>jednotky
GRU have a pitiful anti-inf dps and the same AT as specialni, I'd be you I'd get both in 5pts trucks however.
>formoza
Same reason as the base li jian, you already have enough anti-inf and recon slots are valuable.

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>>125448030

So is warpact pretty much reduced to using whatever wunderwaffen hasn't been nerfed into pointlessness yet?

>>125460721
Basically.

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>>125445032
Is this you?

>>125465131
Why are MBT-70s so god tier in wargame, when they are a shitty thing that was never even developed.

>>125440310
TF Cliffs of Dover is amazing.

>>125430717
Why is it labeled as "english soldier"? Did the brits not use dogtags or something?

>>125465869
None of their downsides are simulated.

>>125425137
Someone from another general here
>Welcome games
>DCS
So this is where you get to post DCS, I always wondered why it never got a general. Maybe because I can count all players with 2 hands.

>>125466848
>Maybe because I can count all players with 2 hands.

Yeah it's sad, vg and by extension is frankly causal tier

>>125467417
Oh well, I really wish the sim was more popular, but I guess it's too bureaucratic and updates too slow for some people.
Also makes me wonder why DCS threads aren't allowed in /k/, they seem kinda interested.

>>125467815
DCS isn't simulated properly, even the A-10C which is the most advanced module isn't true to the real thing and is missing some nice gadgets.

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Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm players,

"Brüder Gegen Brüder" is released:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3989155

Enjoy, I certainly enjoyed creating it.

Yeah, that's a shitty image, but I am not good with photoshit

>>125468320
It's very close to an early A-10C, and far closer to the real thing than many other DCS modules.

>>125468632
Thanks for the hard work anon, I'll give it a shot, although I'm still new to the game so I'm sure I'll make a mess of it.

>>125469581
Well, it pits you, with shit equipment against highly skilled NATO forces over terrain that can be favorable for them.

Scenario 4 will kick your ass if you're not ready, but thanks for playing it.

>scrubs actually think conquest takes more skill than no limit TD

baka desu senpai

>>125468832
Don't get me wrong, it is a very good and advanced module yet some minor errors remain either due to top secret shit or no data.

>>125469853
Which is closest we're ever gonna get to a cockpit, except for those who can still make it into the Air Force.
Let's face it, sure it would be good for us to have the top sekrit stuff, but are there any other good sims out there that aren't super ded ? Sure, there is BMS, but that's supposed to be F-16 specific I think.

>>125467815
>DCS threads aren't allowed in /k/
Since when they don't allow vidya threads?

>>125470216
To my knowledge the most top secret shit are the RWR and IFF systems , while the most fun gadgets like the Sniper ATP, HMCS, Rover datalink could be added to freshen up the A-10C a bit.

>>125470216
->>125465884

>>125470832
Well, it's not that they're not allowed, it's just that faggots are complaining about it just like they do with the /ak/ threads, and they've been dying faster. I've even seen a couple being deleted, and even if I saw many other successful threads, something just feels off.
>>125470920
>RWR
>IFF
>Top secret
Really ? I could swear those were the most mundane thing ever. Maybe the IFF is restricted due to data encription and stuff, and the RWR is restricted beacuse russians can't build a good one for shit, or so I heard. Just a hypothesis though.

>>125469805
Wargame has a fundamental problem in that pushing past the center is not viable. The more you enter the enemy's half of the map, the faster their planes get to you and the slower your own ASF can defend you.

Conquest makes you get the center and it makes the other guy contest it. No limit TD lets you get the center if you want and lets the other guy shell you all game if he wants for no penalty. Yes, he gets a bit less income, but you can't push into enemy territory with just a bit more money.

I guess it has the advantage that unlike destruction where you spend 40 minutes shelling each other and the more aggressive player loses, you spend 40 minutes shelling each other and then the more aggressive player has enough advantage for a decisive push and a win, but why not just play conquest and skip the whole shelling retardation?

>>125469853
I don't get what you're complaining about. It's basically as close as it's going to get in a commercial product.

Are you complaining about newer weapons/systems not being integrated?

I know there's a lot that ED didn't do because they weren't allowed to do, and they were also simulating the A-10C for a very specific audience: the Air National Guard. DCS A-10C is just that, but with some stuff withheld.

>>125471328
>/ak/ threads on /k/
Now that's pure cancer. Their /a/ counterpart isn't that better.

>>125469805
you won't find skilled teams at a stalemate after 40 minutes

>>125471745
>Are you complaining about newer weapons/systems not being integrated?
Yes, the new weapons could bring fresh air to the very old A-10C plus a proper dynamic campaign of course.

>>125474779
A-10 is boring slow shit.

>>125465869
They are definitely not god tier in this game.

>>125478341
Are you looking forward to the Viggen, then?

Is it pairs of osa-ak or osa-akm that are the meme unit to take out planes?

>>125486630
ak

>>125486630
why not get a single tunguska?

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>>125485442
Yes. I can't stand flying slow.

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>>125439845
>Squad can be bought on steam
>"Oh cool. Anon says it is $37, too."
>I check it out
>Nearly $50CDN.

Oh...

>>125486796
tunguskas have shorter range, you lose more points when they get seaded. a pair of osa ak work well. Russia works well with more dakka

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>>125486992
That makes two of us.

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Straya cunts, why aren't you playing it right focking now???

>>125486630
Osa akm are too overpriced desu.

>>125486796
because a tunguska has an entirely different role
a pair of osa-ak is cheaper and will reliably kill any plane flying in range, a tunguska will not

>>125468632
Well done mate.

>>125491174
I use Biryusa, Tunguska-M, and Buk-M1. Which of these would osa-ak replace and why.

Also I'm trying to figure out a good infantry lineup. Spets in BTR-90, Igla-N, VDV-90 in BTR-D, but what should the last two cards be? I try to mix them up, but either I have too little and are too expensive to field, or too many and complete shit.

I want to like Motostrelki in BMP-1 because you get 22 for 25 points each, but I just can't get a decent use out of them. The up-armored BMP-2 sounds like a good deal, but it seems to get shit on by so much.

>>125493919
Buk-m1. Gornostrelki '90 in btr-90.

>>125493919
Basically I want something out of my infantry that is cheap to buy, plentiful, and can give me something that can last in a long dragged out fight for those matches that last two hours.

>>125494303
vdv in btr-d?

>>125493919
osa-ak replaces the buk. For the same price you get more missiles and you're always shooting two at once (much higher chance for a plane kill), but you have less range. In standoff maps like jungle law or bloody ridge buk is better, in wider ones or in smaller battles where you can move the osas up, they are preferable.

Only useful transport for motostrelki is bmp-1d for the grenade launcher, and motostrelki themselves as a unit are worthless beyond meatshielding. Get more vdv90, get reservists if you can do sovkor, and as the other guy said, get gornos 90.

>>125494475
>he doesn't use based BMP-3

>>125495673
completely forgot about it, but yeah, those two are the only worthwhile ones

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>>125425137

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe-Cj2JYKXI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BPvqEETG30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez-MZwvMmYM
(this caster is terrible at the game so ignore his advice but he is the first one to get casts up)

Seems everyone wanted hop and glory for week one. Week two maps are Highway 2v2, Wrecks and Rocks, and 38th Perpendicular.

Advancing teams as of now: Stream Snipers, War Dong, #ANZ, Filthy Casuals, Spectacularly Autistic, and das ist fantastisch. We have a couple more teams looking for matches, so if you want to jump in there is still a bit of time.

We will be moving to sets of 3 for round 2 with 40 min matches and 500 conq pts to win. I have discussed this with most of the round 2 team leaders and they all agreed. Expect more matches in the coming weeks.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/wggtourney

>>125494475
Well yeah. Everyone says to use the BMP-1D because of the grenade launcher. But the availability goes down the shitter.

I have a love/hate relationship with the BMP-3. In some cases, it'll hit everything, and it'll be my best unit in the game. In other cases, it doesn't hit shit, and dies like a bitch. I want to get it at trained for 13 availability, but I'm afraid it'll just keep missing.

>>125496380
>literally losing to reddit
how are you this bad

>>125500864
>literally losing as redfor
is more like it

>>125505337

hurr, 90% of competitive games are redfor vs redfor.

ANZ plays pretty much all redfor.

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>>125509541
who is ANZ

>>125456031
>>125456539

Fair enough I suppose, thanks.

>>125509905
the team currently sweeping the reddit 3v3 tournament

Planefags, are the modules betas on the DCS website demos, or is it a patcher to use once the module is bought?

Is there a list of wargame aircraft rearming times?

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>when you get so bored you start playing Soviet Nuke Simulator

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>Swedish reserves have a better machinegun than almost all of redfor line infantry

>>125511680
There's no demos aside from what you get in DCS for free.

I'm not really sure what you're asking.

>>125511980

Nope, unless you dig through the game files to look up supply costs for munitions.

Plane rearming time is not fixed, the more fuel/missiles/damage you take, the longer it takes. The rate of resupply is constant.

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>>125512043
>tfw russia/america/etc. are still upgrading and proliferating their nuclear triads

this shit was supposed to be over and done with more than 20 years ago, god damnit

Why does nobody use Landjut?

>>125514354
because france gives you more than denmark

>>125514354

Because Eurocorps/Scandinavia does everything better, all you lose is 10% availability, which only gives you like 2 more Jagers per card.

>>125511680
Oh, I think I get what you're asking.

If you download the module from the website, you can install it, but you won't be able to activate or use it until you buy a key. E.g. you can't download and install MiG-21, and then fly a demo version of MiG-21 around.

>>125515357
german tanks are better than scandinavian tanks no question. Germany has better choppers too, danish air is the good air, and you get the OP danish anti air

>>125515310
so people only power game. Gotcha

so... combat mission fortress italy is $65 USD.

for an unpolished game that requires patches to make even the start up menu look decent?

Fuck that. Anyone know where i can torrent that shit?

>>125514354
People have a hard on for France and Sweden. Landjut is fine.

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So

I love combat mission

but the timer kills the enjoyment of it

i love the tactics and the charm of its shitty engine

but the timer stresses me out past enjoyable challenge.

has anyone had any success removing the timer? either by mod or some hack with a trainer or cheat engine?

>>125496380
sotko is annoying

What are some unique deck ideas to use?
Not some stupid shit like Polish airborne, but fun decks that aren't some ultra impossible type shit.

>>125520579
I like to make "subpar" decks, using things you wouldn't normally take like the T-72B obr 198x, T-80BV or Morskaya Pehota

>>125520579
A playable ANZAC deck

>>125520579
mixed marines/armor

>>125520752
any deck that isn't in the top 0.5% of decks is considered shit here though. This community is nothing but power gamers who dont know how to micro

>>125516608
THIS

>>125520579
I just realised polish airborne is a bad example of a shitty deck since it actually has decent planes and decent infantry

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Good thing they didn't have blowout panels as those make the tank more vulnerable to firepower kills

>page 10

>>125532249
this is /sovietcirclejerkgeneral/ people only bother posting when someone forgets that

>>125525704
I know the quality is very bad, but the ~90° edge on the right side of the turret makes it look a lot like a T-72B2 or B3 with it's 'impenetrable' relikt era, which is deemed to be twice as effective as the 'impenetrable' kontakt-5 era.

>>125534981
>newest tanks in Syria
Nice meme, even Russia can't afford them

>>125534981
Also, literally a hit in the rear (where there were no ERA even on B3), even M1 wouldn't hold that shit up

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>>125536084
>even M1 wouldn't hold that shit up

M1 can't take them from the front either lmao

>>125536084
If this was the rear, the copper jet would have hit the engine or the transmission and other components. The insta explosion we saw in the video is unlikely.

>>125536239
thats the side
>>125535938
It's not the newest. It's from 2006/2012.
Newest is Armata. Russia brought loads of them to Ukraine and brought at least a dozen back to Russia before they went to Syria. One of the Ships that brought equipment to Syria came from Mariupol. And there were Sat pics from russian tanks in that arsenal russia installed in Syria together with the MiGs etc...

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/13044/production/_85629877_029115825-1.jpg

brooooooof )))))))))))))))))))))))))))

>>125489160
>>125491540
>>125492079
>>125492310
beautiful, thanks for sharing

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>>125537856
oh i have more

>>125537917
The aspect ratio on this one looks bad

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>>125537970
yeah it looks godawful

>>125536239
That's the side, genius.

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>>125534981
looks like they'll have to go back to infantry protection

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heavy ass tank

>>125538938
What are those flaps on the side meant for.

>>125542107
armour

>>125542107
Is simple comrade

If tank go fast, spare brake fluid and aerobrake like sukhoi

>>125515515
>>125511680
There are no demo aircraft, the aircraft labeled beta are simply still in active development. However they are still all very flyable apart from the hawk and maybe the C-101.

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>>125525704
ayy lmao

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Is it better to take Shilkas or Biryusas (or the german equivalent of Biryusa)?

>Opening mission to WiC has you fighting waves of Americans
>When all the fighting is done in the British sector

>>125548654
>Caring about this
>In a game where airborne drop into the middle of battles, and the US gets invaded by an army that hid in a giant fleet of cargo ships.
>And tactical nukes are dropped right in front of friendly troops.
>In a war that never even existed in real life anyway because it would have ended in ten minutes in real life.
Wew lad.

>>125548119
I don't think there is any reason to take Shilkas over Biryusas unless you plan to spam them on the front line.

>>125548654
>Airdroping T-80U in a middle of a battle
>Tactical nukes covering 500meters of the map and radiation effect going off after 10 seconds
>Soviets invading USA

>Taking WiC seriously

>>125536239
nerf atgm pls

>>125552325
No.

>>125548654
It was inspired in Counterstrike.

>>125465869
powerful mix of 4HE, and not dogshit rof or accraucy.

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What are the chances of seeing this baby in DCS with a (hopefully) fully clickable cockpit?

>>125554339
Decent, but no time soon.

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>>125536896
>Newest is Armata. Russia brought loads of them to Ukraine and brought at least a dozen back to Russia before they went to Syria. One of the Ships that brought equipment to Syria came from Mariupol.

You are fucking insane

>>125554339
>Razbam

not going to be very good

>>125554895
It's gonna be made by them?

Fuck those Ecuadorian shitnuggets.

Fuck.

>>125493383
>3rd guy
>"they do not think it be like this ivan but it is"

So how the hell is the otomanic not nerfed?

>>125558291
its the only thing that keeps scandinavia and landjut playable

>>125558385
lol

>>125558291
because it isn't ussr (the only viable nation)

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(not a) BMP

>people are actually hype for the M(ostly guesswork)2000C

page 10

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>>125567182
I was hyped right until I started looking into the devs and the state of the module.
A shame, really.

>>125554992
At least it's not VEAO

>>125567182
>people are actually hype for the M(ostly guesswork)2000C
>when there is a Tomcat confirmed to be in development by LN

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>>125578490
>you can only have hype for one thing

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>>125578490
>mfw ai for multi-seat is being developed
Honestly can't wait for the F-14.

>>125579193
>having to deal with a backseat drivers whining about motion sickness and other stupid shit
That sure sounds fun.

>>125558291
It has little armor, and is STAT.

>>125560957
Scand is viable! Mark my words!

>>125546736
I think your webm is broken, it won't play

>>125536239
>export tanks

>>125578490
Leatherneck isn't that good either. Belsimtek beats them with better campaigns and a more thorough systems modelling.

>>125580286
BST also crank out modules at an insane rate, trouble is they move on to their next before the most recent is fully finished.

>>125580559
That isn't a big deal since they support their modules well. Meanwhile LN can't get basic stuff like the RWR right.

>>125580727
I agree that the community circlejerk over LN being the best dev is stupid and demonstrably wrong, but they're pretty good all the same.

>>125580727
What is the issue with the RWR on the mig21?

>>125581416
I think he means that it broke in 1.5/2.0. I don't know what else might be wrong with it. It's a crappy RWR by design.

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>>125581416
http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2410032&postcount=11

>>125581416
Not him, It's actually very close to reality. But afaik IRL there is more to it than 'you get locked, all lights on'.

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FYI:
BIS's radar can't use the beam riding missiles IRL. LN included them for fun
Ground clutter should create false contacts on the radar
BIS doesn't have CCIP IRL. See the L-39 for how bombing is done by manually setting a depression on the gunsight and using bombing tables.
BIS's attitude indictator (KPP) isn't a ball but pic related
The clock is pretty broken, the Mi-8 has the correct implementation

>>125582989
>BIS's attitude indictator (KPP) isn't a ball but pic related


That's pretty fucking major

>>125584406
It's pretty unimportant compared to the stuff that affects gameplay like RWR being completely useless when you get locked on by some F-15 100km away.

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Okey I have a GPU now,

Do any of you DCS shitters wanna hop on the ts in the op and fly?

OPS IS A VERY STRONG WORD, NONETHELESS: DCS OPS

>>125567182
>>125578490
>>125574758
I don't get why they had to rely on guesswork for such a relatively old plane. It's not like it has any real classified technology. Or does it?

Can someone summarize what's wrong with RAZBAM and the Mirage?

>>125587323
First of all at least one guy on the Team (Zeus) is a complete and utter retard. And I'm talking retard even by 4chan standards here, just take a look at the subforums


What's mostly wrong with it is that they simply don't have the information they need. They don't know how the flightmodel works, they don't know how the missiles work, they don't know how the RWR works, etc

It's all "informed guesswork"

We'll get a module, it might not even be shit, but it'll be a generic plane that's nowhere near realistic when compared to the actual M2000C

It's a fantasy plane with a M2000C skin

>>125587718
Worse comes to worst servers owners could just ban it, right?

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>>125586967
GET IN TS

DCS OPS
HAPPENING
NOW

How do you find other planes with the F-15? I'll be on TWS mode scanning back and forth and the only time I ever find anything is if I do the quickstart BVR mission. I jumped on the editor and put a giant Russian cargo plane about 60km away at 10000 feet and I couldn't find it even when I was scanning at the distance and height that I expected it to be at. What gives? Am I missing some sort of trick here?

>>125588926
Don't search in TWS, slew up and down with the TDC at the bottom of the radar screen.

>>125588926
Take a screenshot of your radar screen.

>>125589909
I'm too lazy to turn on my desktop and start a scenario, but I'll post a screenshot later and hope you're still around.

>>125558291
It is, they took a ground range increment away from it. They also didn't give it an unrealistically high fire rate, unlike the overwhelming majority of ground based cannons in the game.

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>>125589909
OK, I got around to it.

Range at which I started the game, we're both at 10,000 ft.

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>>125594535
This is kinda what my radar looked like at that moment. I was trying to scan at around 35nm away.

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>>125594946
I finally (sorta) found it at this range.

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>>125595161
I say sorta because I managed to get this contact on my screen before it disappeared again. That's another thing. They'll flash on and off the radar sometimes. Also, why the fuck do I have to wait two minutes between posts?

>>125595545
Try using RWS and then switching to TWS once you have an aproximate of their position, TWS is not as good as finding shit as RWS

>>125595545
Looks fine to me. Radar just isn't as good as you think it is.

What >>125596194 said, basically. RWS to find stuff, TWS to track it.

Also when in RWS, changing to a specific scan setting (Hi vs Med) will boost your range slightly. If you know your targets are coming at you, use Hi. If they're flying away or perpendicular, use Med.

The default will switch between both, which is good to cover all your bases, but it will reduce detection range.

>>125596194
>>125596592
Thank you.
>Also when in RWS, changing to a specific scan setting (Hi vs Med) will boost your range slightly.
Embarrassing question, but what's the difference between these settings and how do I switch between them?

>>125596959
Radar pulse frequency repetition selection or something like that

I think High pulse frequency repetition is good for targets who are coming in head on and Medium pulse frequency repetition is good for targets who are going away from you. But I'll look it up real quick.

Normally the radar alternates between those two.

>>125597339
>>125596959

Looked it up, exactly as described in the post.

>>125597339
Ah, OK. I think I found it in the manual. I'll give the same scenario another go right now and see if that helps.

>>125596959
I forget what technical stuff behind what Hi and Med does. It's something to do with the returns you get from your radar.

For gameplay purposes, all you need to know is that you can detect something from a slightly longer range (and burn through jammers from a longer range) with the Hi setting if they're flying in your direction. The same for Med, but with targets that are flying away.

>>125597491
Thanks. I ran through the same mission again and it did help.

>>125520218
yeah, but the vulcanHD casts aren't out yet and people would rather throw up a youtube vid than download like 8 replays.

>>125500864
you have till Monday to get your team in and beat all of the reddits if you think you can

>>125465869
>>125466351

Technical issues aside the MBT-70 we have in game is undermodeled in many ways as well.

The MBT-70 could reverse at full speed, very few other vehicles in game should be capable of doing this. In game all vehicles reverse at full speed.

The MBT-70's offroad speed is superior to most tanks' road speeds. In a game where most vehicles have laughably optimistic offroad speeds the MBT-70's is only 65kph.

The MBT-70 had an active hydropneumatic suspension that allowed it to more effectively utilize cover than other tanks.

The MBT-70's optics offered superior visibility compared to a conventional layout. It has external cameras, increasing visibility even further.

It currently has [HEAT] with mediocre AP when it had an APFSDS round that could penetrate almost a meter of RHA.

>>125603067

My bad, its only 60kph, which is even worse.

>>125603067
Not to mention 152mm HE shells should give it 6HE instead of 4.

The penetration figures of the Refleks say it can penetrate up to 900mm of armor. Yet a tank's armor has two figures for penetration; kinetic and HEAT
The M1A1HA for example and resist between 765mm and 820mm kinetic penetration, but HEAT protection is 1480mm and 1580mm.

So what does it mean when the AT-11 can penetrate 900mm of armor? Does that refer exclusively to it's HEAT penetration, and thus abrams are undedable against it?

>>125607840
It's compared against the HEAT penetration value

>>125607840
Unless the AT-11 is secretly a LOSAT, yes.

>>125582989
>>125584406
It's not a ball in DCS: MiG-21 either...

>>125607840
Russia has no ATGMs or RPGs that can penetrate a western tank's front armor. They're designed to hit them from the sides, top, and rear.

The effectiveness of Russian TLGMs is sketchy too. Their accuracy is questionable, whether they can be guided accurately on the move is doubtful, and only 1/3rd of Soviet tanks received them. They're good for hitting a fleeing or flanked tank, but otherwise are not terribly useful, and are just there to make up for horrible FCS at range.

>>125607840
>Does that refer exclusively to it's HEAT penetration, and thus abrams are undedable against it?
Yeah, which is why TGMs are such a laughable "advantage" for how much they cost, and why no self-respecting army uses HEAT rounds as their primary tank ammunition.

Soviet TGMs were primarily meant to pick off ATGM carriers and other such light vehicles, they would have had no value in a tank battle

>>125610028
>No value in a tank battle
Sure they do. Just the fact alone that they're used in the enemy comp is a big factor to consider when planning your Battle Procedure. Even a dinky little BRDM-2 with ATGMs can be a considerable threat since they can fire outside ideal 120mm range. Even if the missile itself can't penetrate, you can always go for a mobility kill, making it easy pickings for other vehicles.

>>125607840
>le steel beasts maymay

>>125609571
rpg 29s rekt abrahams and challengers in iraq from the front. try again scrub

>>125613774
It never penned an abrams frontally, and the challenger fluke was an error that was fixed

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>>125614480
>it was a f..fluke

k

>>125614480
>challenger fluke was an error that was fixed
>fluke was an error that was fixed
But that means it wasn't a fluke, that particular incident as far as I know is kinda classified as far as actual damage goes so even that's up in the air. Last I heard they slapped more armour on the front.

>>125614842
>posts monkey model

>>125586967
>>125588318
THESE ARE LIES!

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>>125615084
>le monkey model maymay

>>125615183
It happened already senpai

you're late to the party.

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The West Germans are losing their airbase quickly and without much hassle. But two battalions of arty prep for 3 hours goes a long way to softening them up.

When their M109A3Gs responded with counter-battery fire, included a few SIGINT-directed fires at my RHQ, I then switched artillery priority: Gvozdikas to suppress the defenders at Faßberg, whereas the 152mm D-20s are tasked with counter-battery.

So far, we've claimed 14 vehicles out of the enemy artillery battalion. Whether they were SPGs or just trucks, is unknown. But progress is going very well, infact Major Klaus seems so confident, he is personally leading the charge into Faßberg.

>>125615185
>not understanding how export vehicles work

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>>125615878
>le export maymay

>>125615593
Your tanks are going to get grozny'd.

>Well-reasoned and respectful conversation turns to shit and gets overrun with meme-spouting slavaboos as soon as someone insinuates that a piece of Russian equipment is not best in its class

No matter how full of planefags, it's still /wgg/

>>125614480
An RPG-7VR pen'd an Abrams from the side in Fallujah (IIRC), in between the turret and hull

The casualties:
-the gunner's shirt
-a seat
-money spent repairing the tank

>>125617227
>implying it isn't planefags doing the baiting

>>125618058
/wgg/ was shit before the planefags showed up

I remember someone telling me the Soviet air force was stronger than the USAF in 1991, months before planefags were invited in

>>125617867

>the side

>>125618607
Yeah. An Iraqi managed to flank an M1A1, get within the RPG's effective range (about 50m), penetrate it, and still didn't do shit.

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>>125617227
>implying planefags are any better

>>125619253
Said the cancer, as he spouted dank meems.

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>>125615990
The Wessies are too shell-shocked right now. Also, the AI is dumb and just relocating instead of hiding in buildings where they can "grozny" my tanks.

In the north, I've ordered first Battalion to leave their overwatch positions, enter the town by passing through a clearance in the obstacles where the MSK is digging, and take up defensive positions in the south part of the town. I've already pre-emptively laid FASCAM for when the Wessies counter-attack, or if they counter-attack while I haven't fully solidified my hold.

Second battalion is pushing through Faßberg, but won't be able to dig out those infantry until their MSK frees itself from the minefield.

Third Battalion, under overwatch from the first, will drive down the airfield and seize the bridge at Trauen.

Further to the east, recon elements from 19. MSD's MSR-32 have entered the AO. I want them to scout out the flanks around Unterlüß before I commit towards seizing it. There are probably West German Leopard 2A4s in there, so I want infantry in that town rather than losing a ton of precious T-72M1s in close combat

>>125617227
Arguments about equipment are pointless desu, what matters are the men in the tanks and not the tanks themselves

>>125548119

biryusas are better if youre gonna get aggressive and advance across fields, and will hence need their range to hit pesky high end gunships

shilkas are better for defensive spam AA in cover where hellfires and tow-2s are less of a concern

also of note, i for one find that losing a 35pt shilka to a high end SEAD plane is fine but taking a 50pt hit losing a biryusas can be kinda painful

though in either case its better than losing a Buk or a Tor

>>125619557
>Arguments about equipment are pointless desu, what matters are the men in the tanks and not the tanks themselves
There are arguments about that too

>>125615878
i think the main thing is that americans went on and on about how shit teh t-72 was because they won in iraq and ignored the monkey model argument, yet are now using it themselves

>>125620217
>T-72 does very poorly in the hands of shitskins
>M1 does very poorly in the hands of shitskins

Gee, I wonder if we can find some common factor here

>>125620531
truly an unsolvable conundrum

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Wargame: Syria when?

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T-72AVs seem to have been doing well against RPGs in Syria. The ATGM threat however, as always, is there.

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>>125609571
>>125610028
Hello Bob.

>>125625149
>stating facts makes you bob

>>125625183
>my opinion is fact
Yep, definitely Bob.

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Faßberg is ours, and it's up to the remaining Panzergrenadiers whether to surrender or be destroyed.

However, the West German's Leopard 2s have arrived already, which is bad news.
Fortunately, Geißel flight has arrived to help deal with them.

>>125626257
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRN IN THE USA

>>125620217
>i think the main thing is that americans

I know it's hard, but try not to lump all Americans together as ignorant or whatever. Some of us understand the M1 is not undeadable, and the T-72 is actually a solid tonk. Plus the Arabs can literally make the best anything look like shit because of their inability to wage war.

I bet they could get an F-22 shot down by a Mig-21 carrying 1970 vintage missiles.

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The 2A4s were reinforcing a now-revealed Panzergrenadier Company. It seems the West German intent is to deny me the river, and turn the airbase I just captured into a kill zone.

That's fine. I've target the town with three battalions (2 122mm, 1 152mm) worth of artillery, and MiG-23BNs from Geißel flight are also running in to drop clusters. T-72M1s will enter shortly.

On the other side of the map, MSR-32's lead element has arrived. I'll leave this choice to you:

Attack doctrinally by surrounding the town, or squeeze as many men as I can in there, and reinforce them in waves? Arrival times and terrain restrictions may lessen the attractiveness of the former option.

>>125587152
French haven't declassified a lot of the stuff about it I guess?

>literally every European contingency in the event of a Russian invasion is a variation of "hold out until the Americans arrive"

>>125637431

>ummechandized infrantry
>holding anywhere in the Feulda gap

Why do burgers pretty Europoors stood a chance against the Soviets?

>>125623480

>Eugen modelling any T-55
>35% acc, 2100m Range
>only 1 more AV than Leopard of its price
>-200% moral when hit since Pact is conscript army
>cant reload since Commies are starved

is of balasne :^)

>>125637431
Exactly what other option do you think they had? Pledge allegiance to Moscow and lose a fair portion of their sovereignty? Try and outspend the soviet union on military equipment?

No one had any other good options outside of 'hold the line as long as we can and hope the calvary comes though for us'.

>>125638405
>Leopard of its price
I was going to call you a retard, but apparently some A3s and modified A1s are still in Turkish inventory, although who knows if they are still in running order.

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Section A...

>>125638405
>>>/reddit/

>>125639857
So is this game all the grid with dice rolled battles?

>>125641770
Well, each dice roll factors in a lot of shit.

>how fast is the target moving
>how fast is the target moving
>which side is the target facing
>is the target in cover
>is the target dug in
>how many subunits are in the unit
>how is the attacker's FCS?
>how is the attacker's optics?
>what is the range?
>how many subunits are in the attacking unit?
>will the hits destroy the target?
>if not, will they cause enough damage to otherwise knock it out?
>how's the ammo?
>how ready are the attackers?
>how ready are the defenders?
>what is the morale of either side?
>how well trained are the defenders?
>how well trained are the attackers?
>how robust is the C3 of either side?
>what's the quality of the subunits? (aka an M60 versus a T-80U)
etc...

there's a ton of shit that factors into an attack that the computer figures out in a jiffy, all those factors are amalgamated into a big colored line and the results depend on a mixture of them all.
The game scale is large so a lot of abstraction is in play.