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We don't have an official steamgroup. If anyone posts in the thread about any "official" or not steamgroup, promising MP or not, be sure it's a shitposter group known for organizing raids and shitposting in the thread. They are known for false-flagging.
Report and ignore it

How fares your empire, /gsg/?

This day in history, November 29th:
903 – The Abbasid army under Muhammad ibn Sulayman al-Katib deals a crushing defeat on the Qarmatians at the Battle of Hama.
1890 – The Meiji Constitution goes into effect in Japan, and the first Diet convenes.
1830 – November Uprising: An armed rebellion against Russia's rule in Poland begins.
1847 – The Sonderbund is defeated by the joint forces of other Swiss cantons under General Guillaume-Henri Dufour.
1885 – End of Third Anglo-Burmese War, and end of Burmese monarchy


>News
EU4 - DD 26/11
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/eu4-dev-diary-november-26th-2015.892682/

CK2 DD9
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/dev-diary-9-its-just-a-flesh-wound.892427/

HOI4 DD35
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hearts-of-iron-iv-35th-development-diary-27th-of-november-2015.892871/

>Random Country Picker
http://randomcountry.gbasood.net/


# Archive
https://mega.co.nz/#F!WZZFXDyT!yyb25ZuLdLs0B8vhoKS3LA

# Mods
>> READ THIS FIRST.
http://pastebin.com/cCdcev76

>>[EU4] - BDSM
http://pastebin.com/vYbnKvK2

>>[CK2 - 2.4.3] - After The End
https://github.com/notalbanian/postapoc

>>[V2] - Liangmod V0.1
https://www.mediafire.com/?fm7kgwo9m83yqxu

>>[V2] - Historical Project Mod 0.3.1.7 - 20/08/2015
http://pastebin.com/66gpxbKk

>>[V2] - Napoleon's Legacy v0.3.1.5
http://pastebin.com/sN1g69sr

>>[V2] Alternative Flag Pack V6
http://pastebin.com/PRQH8vcV

>>[V2]Mish Mash Map Mod
https://mega.co.nz/#F!rItzBSoL!cRR-s9OTOJbJUht4hnAw3w

>>[HoI3] YAMDaM v0.54
http://www.mediafire.com/download/md4tzqe2gg6stfv/

Old thread >>123679278
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Reminder to report and ignore shitposting
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1st fro OIRELAND
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Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.
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Memes
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>>123799024
>western poland
>eastern poland
>text facing 2 different directions
jesus christ

Honestly this is looking hella awful
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Reminder to report and ignore hungarian posters
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>>123798993
How come Ireland HDI is so good if the irish are so bad?
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>>123799345
Fuck off lad.
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>>123799374
this senpai is mad
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>>123799374
Hungarians are gay

t. codreanu
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Remember to break and curse the class system, lads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG7p6CSbCU
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>>123799024
HoI4 is looking pretty good
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>>123800065
I agree
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18th for Soviet military "expertise"
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Will it be better than DW?
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>>123800310
>paradox game
no
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>>123800164
Daily reminder that Soviets beat Hitler so hard Germans still have PTSD about it.
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>>123800310
Why can't there be a space gs, where you can see borders on planets? I want individual countries on one planet. Only thing I want from a space gs.
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xth for almost perfect Japan

full Hainan region was because I got a free CB on HK and they attacked me
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>>123800484
I agree. Also I hate how the planets are always >this is a water planet >this is a gas planet and so on. The individual planets in 4Xs are very uniform and small feeling, even if they're not small looking./
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>>123800640
What the fuck is that flag ?
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>>123800164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqEtq34dSUo
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>>123800310
I doubt paradox will make a good game
Hopefully they at least focus on fun multiplayer
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>tfw enough manpower to throw divisions at the Nazis endlessly and wear them out until their front crumbles completely
Neurotypicals who can't handle Hearts of Iron 3 will never know this feel.

Best Paradox game by far
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>>123800361
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>>123800874
>do what happened historically

hey guize look how autismic i am xD
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>>123800310
It probably won't even be as good as GalCiv 3 let alone DW. Right now it looks like a mix between generic space 4x with some crap from EU4.
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>>123800794
Japan as a republic
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>>123801083
Disgusting desu
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>>123800974
Other Paradox games don't have a system like manpower though
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>>123801075
>galciv 3 doesn't work on Vista
why does God hate me?
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>>123800164
His fault for beng too damn slow to be honest. :^)
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>>123801208
I can think of one that uses a population system to achieve a similar effect.
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>>123801221
Play Distant Worlds? It's better.

also
>having Vista
>any year after 2007
>shiggy diggy
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>>123801221
>using Vista in 2015AD
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>>123801221
>Vista
>2015
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>>123801349
t. Microsoft Advertisement Department
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>>123801327
nothing wrong with vista
It's better than 7/8/10
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>>123801221
>Vista
>2010+5
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>>123800640
What map mod?
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>>123801320
V2?
Not him, but I have barely played any Victoria.
You take your troops out of pops in V2?

It does annoy me a little that manpower just replenishes and you can just throw it away in eu4 and let the regiments refill over time with no negative effects on the population.
You can have wars where 500k soldiers die, but it doesn't really affect either side.
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>>123801514
>nothing wrong with vista
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>>123801705
>You take your troops out of pops in V2?
Yes. Accepted soldier pops of your nation.
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>>123801514
Whatever helps you sleep at night, masochist-kun.
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>>123801514
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IS HPMlad here?
Can we get an answer to Austro-Hungaria-Croatia and Bavarian events plox?

here is a qt in exchange
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NEW HPM WHEN???
YOU GOT LESS THAN 48 HOURS BEFORE DECEMBER!
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>>123801913
>-Croatia
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>>123801913
>Croatia
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>>123801741
>using your accepted pops as soldiers
>not using hordes of illiterate conquered people to fight your wars while your accepted pops reap the benefits
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>>123802174

>using shit ass infantry instead of based guards, airplanes and tanks

Non-accepted niggers get relegated to the backlines as artillery.
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>>123802174
t. roman empire
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>>123801913
>Franco
>Cute
Assad is cuter desu
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>>123802430
>Posting inferior quality
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>>123800310

A turd on a platter would be better than DW.
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>>123802670
He's probably Austrian.
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>>123802739
t. Johan
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>>123801913
About the trialism:
I don't have anything against it, but it would only come when I add bureaucratic costs to the A-H compromise and danubian federation. Right now they are a straight up improvement from Austria.


The bavarians events, I can see some going in, some not going in. Stuff like dynastic questions could come as some nice flavor but stuff like Trias I would need to read about.

>>123802034
Probably won't make it in time. I have a deadline to submit some stuff for the German government and it's December 1st and that takes precedence over the mod.
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>>123802958
>I have a deadline to submit some stuff for the German government and it's December 1st and that takes precedence over the mod.
HPM a-are you.... Syrian?
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>>123802958
>I have a deadline to submit some stuff for the German government
Is it your asylum for refugee ?
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>>123802958
>I have a deadline to submit some stuff for the German government and it's December 1st and that takes precedence over the mod.
800.000
0
0
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0
0
0
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>>123802958
>I have a deadline to submit some stuff for the German government and it's December 1st and that takes precedence over the mod.
Please don't tell me you're a refugee. For fucks sake no.
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>>123803293
It's ok he just works in an extermination camp
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>>123803410
I'd be fine with that
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>>123802958
>Best mod for Vicky 2 is being developed by a literal Syrian in his spare time from fighting ISIS
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>>123803538
That explains why HPM is such a Germaboo, too. It's not his fault as all Syrians are massive germaboos.
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>>123803028
No, the Germans just pay better for my job. They have more money for research.
Right now I'm not even in Europe. I'm in the USA, visiting a friend in Florida and doing a tour in the americas.
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>>123803769
What nationality are you so???
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>>123803895
He's either from Argentina or Syria.
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>>123803895
I'd go with the original guess, Argentinian.
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>>123803769
What is your, job, if you don't mine me asking? Expert on terrorism? I can't imagine there are great many jobs related to history.
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>>123803769
I don't care if you mind me asking
what's your job or what kind of 'research' are you talking about?
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>>123804243
>>123804008
>>123804001
>>123804063
>>123803895
don't tell these fucking retards
they are SJW's trying to dox you
insha'allah
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I kinda like this shape. What do lads?
Go gross? Just take Mecklenburg?

I'm not even going to bother trying to clean up everyone else's borders
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>>123803895
>>123804001
>>123804008
>>123804063
>>123804243
>these retards don't know HPMguy is indiana jones
poorly memed
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>>123798830
Updated in response to previous comments (some niggers couldn't realize that the yellow parts of NA were Spanish possessions)

r8 my idea of a perfect world /gsg/.
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>>123804486
That shape is bloody awful lad.
Take Mecklenburg, Anhalt, Saxony, Thuringia and those Saxon Bohemian blobs
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>>123804705

>perfect world
>it's a disgusting mess

Why are you even posting this shit?
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>>123804705
>Do I look like I know what a jay-peg is?
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>>123804705
fuck I forgot to make that chinese province that borders Vietnam the same color as the rest of indochina.
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>>123804705
>Portuguese Galicia
>No independent Austria
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>>123804317
can confirm

>>123804705
fucking die you asian horsefucking scum
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Before
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>>123805238
After
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>>123805238
which start did you... start at?
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>>123803895
Already said before. I'm from western europe.

>>123804243
>>123804063
Research. This and the above is the answer you will always get, and the same answer I always give. Both are irrelevant since I'm not here to use the trip to talk about my life.

Anyway, too off topic. I will get back to my report.
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After. The three principalities are now united.

>>123805336
1066 but I took my time with wars and kinda did some roleplay type shit.
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>>123805163
>asian horsefucking scum

W-what?
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Who the fuck thought all these fucking blob missions were a good idea.
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fugging ameriga :DDDD
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>>123805293
#islamisreligionofpeace
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>>123805465
>Tripfag
FUCK OFF
IF YOU WANT TO MOD COOL, DON'T USE IT FOR ATTENTION THOUGH HOLY SHIT
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>>123805591
>being this mad at hpm
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>>123805293
>Holy shit these guys are killing everbody around
>Let me take a picture of it!
I hope that guy died
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>>123805470
haha holy shit that map looks sad
you need the cadrilater from byz, moldova obv and the rest of transylvania

also post culture map
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>>123805591
>being literal 12 year old on the internet
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>>123805641
>>123805732
Fuck off HPM/Steamgroup cunts
/gsg/ doesn't need this shitposting.
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>>123805732
>>123805641
>inb4 I was merely pretending
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Is there any historical basis for Imperial Japan spending the first 30 years of the game with starving pops? You lose your only food producing province to gold mining right away
HPM btw
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>>123806504
None. Just cheat some events to unite in the first day
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>>123805713
the dirty rurikovich hohols own moldova at the moment, I go for that after I kuck the hungarians into their place. Taking the cadrilater is going to be a bigger headache than anything. Byzantines are actually not getting assfucked by the muslims.
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B A S E D
A
S
E
D
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>>123806504
There's a problem of under production of some basic foods in the start and overproduction in the late game for all NNM-based mods
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>>123806504
The whole RGO system is ass backwards and retarded
Completely fucking ahistorical
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>>123806651
>Bosnian
>Not just Croatian

wewlad
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Did the mega campaign guy finish the campaign?
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>>123807058
No, he killed himself.
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>>123806709
Greece has been strictly improved
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>>123807183
go for manchukuo fuckboy
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>>123807183

>no Manchukuo
>'Treaty Ports'

?????

why are you letting China off?
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>>123807368
blobbing into china ruins the game
>>123807294
>>123807183
sphere manchukuo imo
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>>123807430
>muh balance > history
wiz tier
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>>123807430
If blobbing into china ruins the game
Why do you own rightful chinese territory like tonkin and korea?
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>>123807294
>>123807368
Don't I need to research something special to take regions from China in HPM? I just haven't gotten around to the treaty ports part.

>>123807430
>Sphere Manchukuo

That would look kinda ugly since I'm planning on taking Primorye from Russia.
'
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>>123806871
bosnia has been traded between the byzantines and croatia continuously since the beginning.
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>>123807648
N&I
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>>123807430

Right, but you should take Manchukuo at the very least.

>dem resources
>giving Kwantung something to do
>keeping Russia out

>>123807648

No idea, I don't remember the last time I played HPM, I don't remember any treaty port stuff - that's why I asked. Is it a bit like the old scramble events?
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>>123807058
Nope, I'm at 1929 from a game starting in 769, which is pretty cool, I'll probably continue it in an hour or so
>>123807167
Not yet lad, but once the campaign is over I'll be able to escape this general or die trying
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>>123807813
I honestly come here daily to look at your posts, I'd prefer if you would return.
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>>123807813
>he thinks he can escape
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>>123808129
Stop posting those in low quality lad. If you want to fap to dictators that much I can provide.
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>>123808129
Why doesn't Lukashenko just let his country get annexed by Russia already? They're such good buddies after all.
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>>123807813

H-hello friend, I haven't played or browsed /gsg/ for a few months and I just thought I'd ask: what exactly are you doing? Converting through the games or something?
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>>123808350
Russia actually rejected the Belarussian offer for annexation once
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>>123808376
Yes, he started from the earliest ck2 start and has been switching nations based on polls from us
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>>123808217
Lad, that's not low quality, what the fudge are you on?
I have two folders: dicktators and generals
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>>123808681

That's not a bad idea, I might do something like that if I get back into the games - I've been wanting to for ages.
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>>123808042
Thanks lad, I'm always glad when people enjoy my autistic campaign.
>>123808376
Exactly buddy, I started in 769 and have been riding this shitfest all the way through. Most of the countries/characters and goals I play are selected through polls with suggestions provided by /gsg/
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>>123808762
It is for me desu lad.
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How come everyone always reccomends playing germany to learn hoi3/watching some autistic sad cunts lets play? I learned by messing around with whatever meme countries i felt like t.bh
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>>123809248
>2.7 MB

Nice meme
please upload them to somewhere, I beg of you
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>>123809014

Did you leave it up to /gsg/ who you started as originally and what your goals were?

I always struggle getting into games that last because I lose interest in my original ideas for them, especially the early CK2 start.
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So why the fuck am I not a republic already?
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>>123809389
Because Germany is easy mode
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Hey, its Napoleon's Legacy guy, I'm still working on the mod

I recently tried a test game with Mexico that went well until Manifest Destiny where I handily beat the USA with the help of New England. It all went well until the American Civil War where New England won I really wanted the USA to win, became the USA and instantly did Manifest Destiny again. Only this time I couldn't refute it.

Otherwise the mods looks good. I'll probably finish off the EIC expansion tomorrow and upload that short update. I don't really know about the thing with the NEN or PLC since the mod looks complete otherwise.

I really want to move onto my new mod idea
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>>123805465
It's climate research, if anyone wants to know :^)
t. knower
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>>123809621
Event's MTTH/triggers might be fucked. iirc it's event 6030 or something.
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>>123809647
What's the new idea?
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>>123809631
more like snooze mode
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>>123809621

>forbid hate speech
>sponsored access
>responsible publishing rights
>gender rights
>LGBT rights

Jesus fucking Christ why did this mod became a thing here lately?
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>>123809647

>Napoleon's Legacy is still being worked on

there is a God afterall
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>>123809817
Wew lad
Time to spread catholicism to some savages
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I forgot how this system works and have no idea what's about to happen
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>>123809621
Which mod is this, there are so many modern mods out there
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>>123809918
But anon, the good thing is not to trigger those. Some of them in fact make militancy raise constantially, lower immigrant attraction, ruling party support, drop your population growth by a ton and so on. The way I see it even the modder from the parakeks forum sees some of them as idiotic, but added them anyway because the likes of Sweden have some of those.
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Where is the HoI4 Beta Leak?????
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>>123809621
Because that is a broken shitty mod
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>>123809609
I let /gsg/ start me up originally, but without a poll, I just let the first person give me a character and goal. It was to start as Charlememe and remove Muslims from Iberia, after that I start polls for everything. A lot of times CK2 gets boring once it becomes a blobfest, I think switching every so often makes it much better, as usually you aren't the biggest or even one of the biggest.

Mega Campaigns are extremely boring though, CK2 isn't bad, Eu4 is torture unless you play as a colonizer/warmonger and Vic2 is actually pretty fun, I have yet to start HoI3 so I can't tell you about that. Ultimately it's up to you, but be prepared if you want to finish it.
>>123809647
What's your idea lad? I'm sure it's pretty good

Knights of St. John having a Rhodes core when?
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>>123809621
>less than 20% of the Brazilian population is right wing
>in 1981
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>>123809621
>restrict non-democratic = restrict freedom of speech and organization
>support disenfranchised = support discrimination
>forbid hate speech = forbid freedom of speech
>promoted immigration = treason
>responsible publishing rights = restricted freedom of speech
>feminist = discrimination
>affirmative action = discrimination
nice dictatorship you got there
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>>123807813
>I'll be able to escape this general
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>>123810495

Oh fugg, I forgot about EU4. I've still not even come close to finishing a whole game of it.
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>>123809621
>PSDB
>socialist
wew what
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>>123809872
I haven't worked it out fully yet, but it has something to do with the Thirty Years War having different results.

I'm always open to better ideas or something that /gsg/ really wants

Or any other idea with France getting fucked over because fuck France.

>>123810062
I've been here for around 4 months modding this. 2 months on porting it to HPM (I would spend like 3 hours a day) mostly fixing events.

>>123810495
I did that yesterday
If anybody has an idea for an alt hist mod, I'm open
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>>123810363
Probably won't.

Have any other Paradox Betas been leaked before? Not counting EvW, that wasn't true Paradox, or a true Beta
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>allied A.I STILL send fleets into denmark-strait
>swarm them with the entire luftwaffe
>send entire kriegsmarine
>kriegsmarine sins 12 ships
>luftwaffe sinks atleast 4
god this is so retarded
Why the A.I can't even pretend to have situational awareness. Nobody sends sizeable warfleets into the literal backyard of a hostile nation. The allieds didn't try the denmark strait even late as 1945.
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>>123810809

>anything in Brazil
>right wing

Right wing died after the dictatorship.
Diretas Já was a mistake
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>>123810874
REALISM
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>>123810846
2nd Mexican Empire actually winning against the Injun Liberals and becoming GrossMexico, genociding the injuns?
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>>123810846
>I've been here for around 4 months modding this. 2 months on porting it to HPM (I would spend like 3 hours a day) mostly fixing events.

Neat, I haven't been about for almost a year now and I loved the premise of poopmod.
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>>123810993
that ain't realistic nigga
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>>123810874
The solution is to add more straits.
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>>123810874
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark_Strait
This Denmark Strait? :^)
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>>123810672
>mfw ceausescu looks like pepe
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>>123811149
wat
>>123811229
nah I mean the one between norway and der
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>>123811302
>nah I mean the one between norway and der
Then call it Skagerrak like a normal person.
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>>123809918
>>123810672
If you lads look closer, the only idiotic laws I triggered were the ones related to voting rights because I fucking need to become a republic and get immigrants so I can overtake the US in population next century, and I'm not taking any extra political reforms.
>>123810271
New World Order
>>123810649
>>123810809
>>123810978
Vejam pica
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>>123811693
>>123811693
That better not say White Portuguese
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>>123811693

>White Portuguese

aeHOOOOOOO
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>>123811693
>White Portugese
As compared to fucking what ? Jesus Christ
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>>123811693
>>123811742
Reminder that as long as you speak the same language and have the same skin color as someone from the other side of the world then you both share the exact same culture
t. kekmodder
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>>123811693
>white portuguese
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>>123811693
>Green + Liberal
>70%
>Secularism
>43%
>those dominant issues
>Populist Party likely to win the next elections if it happens
A-at least it's white
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>tfw Irish republic in ck2
>60 income a month
>8k armies
>only 4th generation in, started with 1 province
>never lose elections due to infinite wealth
We potatojew now. Anyone else playing as a republic?
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Did HPM make it so the Sikh Empire can't form India? If so, what the fuck!
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>>123811925
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Is pic related a /gsg/-approved show?
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>>123812304
Yeah, he considers 3 projects for India. The Mughal EMPIRE, the Sikh EMPIRE and India (Indian EMPIRE). One is muslim, one is sikh and one is hindu
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>>123812408
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>>123812159
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>>123812447
Feeling like watching it too but I don't know anyone who did and I'd like to know if it'd be worth my time
So yeah
Bump
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>>123812447
Wew lad what is this ?
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>>123812447
The pilot was great, that's all ive seen of it.
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>>123812447
it's meh
there are a few great scenes, a few
6.5/10 about there
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IBS HABBEDING

wish me luck lads

complete naval dominance is ours, but Hitler has not committed his army yet so I don't know how fucked we are yet.
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>>123812447
I liked it for the most part. The only particularly bad parts I found was the stupid Canon City arc that dragged on for the first couple of episodes, but the rest is nice
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>>123812447
Tries way too hard to force Hitler being a bad guy.
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For what purpose?
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Tell me what grand strategy space game is good.
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>>123813683

Steam sales.
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>>123802271
>using your own pops as meatshields while your nigger pops man the high-tech equipment in safety.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Are you role playing as Sweden?
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>>123813640
ebinly meme'd
Did you even finish the show?
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>>123813689
tell me what would make a space gsg good

>>123813640
no it doesn't
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>>123813910
I don't know, just want to build empires in space with at least a little complexity. Alternatively, what is the most Vicky2 like space game.
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>>123814127
you mean a space gsg with pops, ethnical cleansing and fascism?
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>>123813518
>green
>USA
>blackice
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>>123813518
>110% officer ratio

lel
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>>123814335
BICE is a fucking reddit-tier mod
why the hell do people play it
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>>123814197
It wouldn't hurt.
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>>123813910
Have you played aurora?
That's a perfect example of a good space GSG
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>>123814579
why is it reddit tier? combined arms and army composition is a fucking meme in vanilla
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>>123814785
Not him but I already tried that and couldnt get into it.
any tips on learning that spreadsheet simulator m8?
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>>123814785
Except for the part that it isn't GS
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>>123814978
they have some tutorial threads on the forum
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Humanist+Religious.

Under what circumstances would this be good?

Only thing I'm really seeing is after Cossacks where you can convert provinces to other cultures than your own at a discount.

So with lesser threshold and being able to culture convert away really minor cultures to mid sized cultures you could get more accepted cultures with a HumRel combo.

Stability Cost+Religious Unity could be nice maybe for using paper mana cheap for stability, and in turn unrest, so very low unrest with Hums own unrest idea.
Later on you can just rely on lvl3 Advisors for high stab imo.

Otto/France have poor synergy with getting both Rel and Hum I guess since you don't need to convert at all if you have their ideas with humanist.

A Humanist Indian Sultanate would only need to convert away heretics.
So only Sikh if you'd flip to Hindu, so Rel would be mostly wasted then.
I guess there's a lot of Sunni in the world so as Sikh Gujarat it would be a little more useful, but with +75% religious unity not really.
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>tfw 5 attack general
Get fugged shitaly
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>>123811693
>Populist Party likely to win the next elections
Você sabe o que fazer
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>>123816545
Wrong pic

This is happening too often
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>>123814841
I'd also like to know this
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>>123816545
You're just not being fascist enough lad
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>>123815728
as long as youve already taken administrative ideas take whatever other admin groups you want
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>>123814579
not as reddit tier as vic 2
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>>123816751
This doesn't look good for Italy
>>123816904
Funnily enough I had less fascist rebels when I was communist
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>>123817478
>administrative ideas
Even if you barely core any provinces?
Like you mostly just colonize, form hre, diplo annex and/or stick to your tiny borders?
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>>123805668
IT'S THE AFTERMATH YOU DUMB NIGGER
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>>123817580
You can't win em all, but you can win most
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>>123817985
>didn't even go 1:1 in the losing battle
shaking my head my blood relation
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>>123814841
>blackice
>not a meme

There's a million things wrong with blackice. Here's one.
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>>123817985
Africa pic
>>123818246
t︂b︂︂h lad you're right, those germans need avenging
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>>123817985
Are you going to be converting to Darkest Hour?
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>>123816768
nice reddit-tier reaction image
+1
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>>123818608
>all those armies
this is why I can't play victoria 2
I drown in the micromanagement and lose all interest
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>>123818608
>>123818246
Okay lad, I made it up to you
>>123818635
HoI3, if the converter spergs out then DH
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>>123818826
Well done lad those "germans" redeemed themselves.
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>>123818742
He's mobilized.
>>123818608
>>123818826
Just changeowner those uncolonized provinces to Mali already, my autism is triggering
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>>123818742
I'm inclined to agree with you, at least with the military portion. I like to have all my armies be of the same composition and preferably of the same culture. It's annoying as fuck when you are a large country and/or you have to rebuild lost armies. It doesn't help the way the whole soldier system works, with soldiers being drawn from individual pops in each state. It'd be better if all soldier pops contributed to a much larger manpower pool. At the very least, it would be preferable if they were drawn from the state level rather than the provincial level.
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>>123818826
Northern Germany is no longer a no-go zone
>>123818942
The germanic "army" is the finest in the world
>>123818742
Normally I have less than 10 30 stacks, this is just a big war so I mobilized and built more
>>123818972
Maybe later lad, Africa isn't relevant
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>>123819256
The war ends, and Germany has finally risen to world relevance
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>>123812408
Every time I see someone post NWO I think it's EvW and I get a little spark of happiness in my heart that is subsequently crushed.
>>
I'm utter shite at this pirating thing but I want to get the CK2 DLCs (expansions and portraits) without paying five times as much as I did for the actual game. I tried doing it by following a site from reddit but it didn't seem to work and the dlcactivator kept crashing. Not even sure if I downloaded the DLCs properly

basically- help please I'm a retard
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>>123819463
>Leon
>Spain
>Italian enclaves
>French exclaves
ngl this whole map looks goddamn awful
Can you still annex Koln at least? Or maybe take the Russian exclave?
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>>123818306
>That one casualty in the battle of Sarreguemines

RIP brave soldier of Britannia
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>>123819657
russian enclave is historically accurate
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>>123819587
>extract all the dlc into the right folder
>put extractor in game folder and run it
>?????
>profit
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>>123818306
>>123819696
F
>>123819735
Never said it wasn't :^)
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>>123819587
>reddit
>tech support begging
>can't follow something that already gives you instructions

Normally I'm a sucker for spoonfeeding but fuck off
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>>123819463
>that
>relevant
Please excuse me. I couldn't help but notice that your definition of "relevance" wildly differs from my own.
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>>123819587
Are there really people in 2015 that don't know how to extract files? Do such people really exist? I thought it was a hoax or trolling that someone wouldn't know that,
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>>123819463
Okay lads, I'm groß, I'm relevant, and I can defend my borders.

Whats next for Germany?
>>123819657
Koln goes through 3 different regions, so no, I might be able to fix the russian thing
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>>123820043
Post your cores
Try to break the truce if you have more cores on Italy and Spain
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>>123820043
>That flag

eugh
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>>123820268
Reminder V2 would be banned in Austria, Germany and Poland if it included an actual wastika
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>>123820043
Please use changeowner to fix those horrific borders before you convert. For everyone's sake, please.
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Now to integrate Austria without anyone raising a brow
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>>123820043
>>123819957
>All the german peoples
>None of them have more than one banner
As world relevant as it gets
>>123820246
I have cores on all the german land
>>123820482
no, MCL didn't and it killed him, I vow to make the same mistake
>>
In HOI3 when I move a CVE-based stack onto an enemy naval stack do the CAGs turn into long-range guns for purposes of resolving the battle or do I need actually to have the CAGs attack naval in that square?
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>>123820695
Time to end the Russian menace once and for all

I will end here for now
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>>123818306
More black ice memes
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>>123821025
they'll automatically be on cag duty which means they'll bomb the shit out of the enemy fleet
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>>123821434
Hey.. uh, I don't know how to say this, but you have a little problem east of the Urals.
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>>123821703
That's not played as Soviets, that's tag switching to see what the Soviet AI looks like when they are being beat. Look at their IC.

Also BlackICE gives all AIs infinite manpower, because winning wars by attrition in HoI3 is a exploit (this an an actual quote from the modder).
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>>123821409
post world maps of 31st december 1935
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>>123821434
>+2,000% IC

I've seen some bullshit Darkest Hour mods that buff the USSR way too much but that's just insane
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>>123821894
But wasn't a war of attrition the game the Soviets were playing? Which would mean if you're playing as the Soviets you can't actually use their tactics.

Also that US lend lease, 10/10
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>>123822217
soviets were not fighting a war of attrition..
they had some good doctrine ideas and the german's were over extended
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>>123822217
Yes, but the modder decided that the player shouldn't be able to win wars of attrition to fix this "exploit" >>123818306 (which itself only happens because of BlackICE's fucked up AI and modifiers)

So whenever an AI gets blow (IIRC) 100 manpower, they get 300 manpower for free. Infinitely repeatable.
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>>123820695
>>All the german peoples
The french share half a haplotype with us.
True blooded germans.
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>>123822375
Completely my bad then! Thank you for the clarification, I (unfortunately) haven't had time to examine a lot of the Soviet side of the war, besides Leningrad.

>>123822406
That is absolutely insane.
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>>123822149
BlackICE also makes it so that cold weather gives a -90% combat modifier for attacks, so that attacking during winter ends up with 2% combat efficiency vs. 2000%. Not even exaggerating.

>>123822552
Hilariously enough the AI also gets boosts to manpower rate and its own regiments cost less manpower. I guess the modder couldn't figure out how many ways he wanted to boost AI manpower.

BlackICE has so many insanely retarded things. Like Artillery is 2 frontage for players to prevent "exploits" with using multiple artillery (which makes it useless), but AI gets it for 0 frontage. But then players could license Artillery from the AI to get Artillery that weren't useless, and the modder combated this exploit by disabling the licensing system entirely.
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>>123821894
>winning wars by attrition in HoI3 is a exploit
wot. That is my favorite method of winning of wars.
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>>123822835
Why the hell is Black Ice so popular? That is goddamn retarded. I'm glad I've stuck with Darkest Hour.
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>>123822835
Hello Rob

Only you are autistic enough to know this much shit about a mod you hate.
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>>123821409
Nevermind I can't pass up killing russian degenerates
>>123822086
soon lad
>>123822442
There isn't enough time unfortunately, your point is valid though
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>>123820585
>19 years in
>only eaten czech
not Groß enough lad...
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>>123823438
There are no good WW2 mods for DH either.
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>>123820585
What mod was this again?
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>>123824108
NWO
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>>123823780
Even grosser

Now what? We have truces with everybody!

Can the germanic "people" finally be content?
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>>123824064
Mixed mod was really good but now its kill.
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>>123824156
Does it have refugee crisis?
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>>123824064
Yeah, but vanilla Darkest Hour is still pretty damn good.
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>>123823438
My theory is that the vast majority of redditors just put the game on AI control and pay zero attention to anything. It has lots of units and lots of events, so its a good mod to idiots.

>>123823560
ok
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>>123824302
I keep reading that it's railroaded and you can't actually do what you want if it differs from what the dev wanted you to do.
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>>123824191
fug

France declares war on our great people to "liberate" Berlin
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>>123824302
No, it's fucking shit.
You don't have retarded modifiers like in BICE but you have retarded stacks, maps, provinces and all around combat
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>>123824252
Yes, even has ISIS. Europe suffers from a huge birth rate crisis and most pops support immigration so there's a muh refugees thing going on.
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>>123824661
Oh fuck, really? I'll have to try it.
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>>123824469
>I keep reading that it's railroaded
False. Darkest Hour is WAY less railroaded than HoI3. It also is more like a gsg and less like a war game like HoI3 is.
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>>123824714
It's surprisingly well made, not too hyped about the combat though. So far it's only been doomstacks grinding against each other for months, I have yet to figure out the actual tactics behind it.
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>>123824732
Fuck off DH dev, stop spreading your lies here
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>>123824541
The first wave is defeated
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>>123824858
>waaaahhh I don't agree with your opinion
>waaahhhh he must be a dev of the game
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>>123824875
fug lads, I managed to block the borders but not before they got a quarter million in
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>>123825143
are you converting to HoI 3 or are you ending it in Vicky 2?
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>>123825143
And they white peace after Byzantium occupies all of southern France since they had no armies anywhere except Germany
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Boers, no!
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>>123805552
>all that oil
dog bless ameriga :DDDDDDD
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>>123818639
oh I get it now
thanks for answering
>>
>watching dedalus plays
>he blatantly cheats on camera
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>>123826214
post the video or i won't believe you
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>>123826396
I don't care really if you don't believe me but here is the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnhFK_eVm2c

right at the start
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Playing HoI3, I fucked up and conquered all of France
Is there any way I can give at least all those colonies to Italy or whoever else?
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>>123825554
Okay lads we have completed Vic2

I will now answer and questions/map requests before converting
>>123825535
HoI3 bud, unless the converter spergs then in that case DH
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>>123826709
blease changeowner
>>
>>123826709
Culture map. How Greek is Byzantium overall?
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>>123826709
this >>123826761
please
>>
What mods if any do you lads like to use for HOI3? I installed HPP but I don't really like what it did with the naval construction system as well as other changes.
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>>123826709
>>123826839
It's all Greek to me
>>
Is the EU4 in the archive up to Cossacks?
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>>123826587
someone please
I don't want to type changeowner and changecontroller thousands of times
>>
>>123827036
What are the grey-blue/dark blue cultures in France and Spain?
>>
>>123827036
Any more map requests before I convert?
>>123827234
Occitan and French
>>123826761
>>123826994
>Not wanting Johan's Believable Worlds™
Disapointed to be honest
>>
Need a good flag for a Welsh-run British Empire for CK2. It's called fucking Prydain instead of Britannia, and when I Googled Welsh flags I got nothing but gimpy-looking autism dragons.
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>>123827309
FUCK JOHAN ITS FOR OURS AND YOUR SANITY
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STALIN YOU NIGNOG GIB MONIES
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>>123827309
Seriously at least try to make some kind of sense of this world. Here, I made this. At least consider it.
>>
>>123827680
>not wanting disgusting Italy, spain, and France

Do you hate believable worlds?
>>
>>123827680
Fucking this
>>
>>123827680
please MCG I beg of you
>>
>>123827680
>volere terram falsam
Iohannes fecit ergo iocare debemus
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>>123827680
>fucking with Klein Britain's perfect borders
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So, I've played CK2 a couple times before but never really got a good sense of the mechanics behind the game. Shit just seems to happen randomly and I lose a bunch of land I'd been hoarding or something. I just bought the last few expansions and want to try again. When it finishes downloading from Steam, what ruler and start date should I start as being slightly experienced, but apparently retarded?
>>
>>123827680
>Kurland Annexed by Russia
no
Possibly split into 3 different states though
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>>123827680
that Europe is too unified try this one
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>>123828462
867 Jorvik is pretty hard to fuck up.
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Thinking about starting a meme fascist Mongolia playthrough tomorrow lads, what should my goals be?
>inb4 Baghdad
Lads I'll only have like 40 years to blob, I won't be able to grab that much clay.
Also give me some music to get me in the mood because the first 50 years will surely be boring as fuck, so far I only have this https://youtu.be/aEv_aEwVvak
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>>123828942
Take Japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmo3fKeveo
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>>123809918
>LGBT and women's rights
Both lower population growth, so they're both undesirable
>pseudo-fascist propaganda
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>>123829103
>he doesn't promote experiences
I bet you're cisgendered too
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>>123828832
Am I getting memed? I'm not familiar with the CK2 memes, but don't you guys hate anything before 1066?
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>>123827309
>>123827680
Lad, I want to thank you for the effort of making this. It makes me happy that people are that invested in my campaign. Normally I wouldn't consider it, since I want this campaign to be as BELIEVABLE as possible, but I will implement one small change from the map.

Since one has been long overdue
POLL HERE
https://poal.me/czuh6k
https://poal.me/czuh6k
https://poal.me/czuh6k
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So I started as Scotland, successfully established myself as the dominant british state, then I switched over and created this Aquitaine-Catalonia kingdom. I love the idea of 2 strongish french states fighting each other. Who should I play next?
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>>123828942
The entire steppe, and free all Turan peoples
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>>123829469
>/gsg/ is a hivemind
He asked for an easy start, Old Gods/Charlememe pagans are broken
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>>123829469
/gsg/ will make fun of you but 867 Jorvik is fun as fuck and pretty easy. They just hand you like 10,000 soldiers and set you loose on England.
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>>123828462
If you really want babby mode, you should do Ireland. It's harder since they made it so you need over 50% of the counties in a de jure duchy to form a duchy, but it's still pretty easy.

Benefits are that you're going to be mostly conquering the people around you based on claims, so you're going to be able to set up your whole feudal system as you conquer. Much more stable than starting as somebody big. Downsides include slow expansion time and the possibility that Scotland/England/Wales move in on you, but worst case you can just vassalize yourself to an encroaching power and expand from within.

Start in 1066 though, any earlier and vikings will legit molest you.
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>>123829487
Poll ends in 20 minutes

Also, to prevent the HoI3 converter from sperging out, I'm giving uncolonized Africa to Mali and uncolonized Australia to Australia
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>>123827680
Agree with everything but Pecs and Spain/León. I think inland Spain should be connected to the coast instead of them being exiled, and León should either have a coast or a bigger border with Spain. Pecs' enclaves should also be connected.
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>>123828942
Baghdad desu
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>>123829487
>no treaty of Spanish partition option
Shit poll to be honest my family
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>>123802958
I've been gone for six months and HPM is literally talking about something I remember discussing back then. Odd. Also, where are you on your progress now? Flavour phase?
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>>123829602
I've done a few Ireland games. I'm not really sure what my problem is, the game just hasn't clicked with me yet I guess.
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>>123829489
reconquer the lost territory of byzantium.
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>>123829487
Nice poll
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>Vicky 2
>Form grossgermaniums by sphering austria
>can't even enjoy the game because million-strong prussian nationalist doomstacks every other month

JOHAAAAAN !
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>>123830896
>he can't play as GROSSGERMANIUMS properly
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>11th, 12th, 13th Chinese War of Reunifcation happening at the same time
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>>123831239
It's accurate tho
t. HPM
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>>123830896
Why was he smoking a black dick?
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The lone Jew of the paradox forum, HOLY FUCKING KEK LADS
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>>123827647
What the fuck even is this mod?
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>>123828942
Try Korea and Manchuria up to Turan, including the Altai, Inner Mongolia, Gansu and Kashgaria
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>>123831595
I-I what
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>>123831595
>they'll do something about it anyway
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>>123831595
I don't get it
Can't you play GTA because you play as a criminal too?
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>>123831595
There should be a cosmetic option to remove jews from real life t.b.h
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>>123828942
Whatever you do, at least take Tuva from the dirty Russians.

In return, I give you this (they have plenty of albums)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b1egQpIjLs
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>>123831595

They might actually do this.

>x10 Respectfully Disagree

oy vey dis anoddah shoah
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>>123827309
>>123827680
Rheinland fixed according to map

FINAL CONVERSION SOON

I will end here for now
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>>123831595
probably a troll post
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>>123831960
Give us a world map lad.
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>>123831110
Germany is the only country I've had serious problems with rebels. And this coming from some who hates playing le ebin gross deutschlandiums.
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>>123832074
NA Map
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>>123832074
SA Map
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>>123832074
East Asia Map, featuring Arabia in India and nowhere else

>That New Guinea
(w)ew

And now I will end here for now for real
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>Florence eats Siena
>I make Florence release Siena
>Siena eats Florence
>If I make Siena release Florence Siena ceases to exist
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>>123804705
America is so wrong in so many levels
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>>123832373
>>123832581
>>123832803
Can we just agree to do something about Spain before you go?
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>>123832373
that America looks really nasty
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>>123833123
no lad, MCL didn't fix up anything, neither will I
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Post your most fun and outstanding V2 game(s)
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>>123833123
>>123833123
yes
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>>123831595
I'll make sure to make a mod for this guy. I'll call it the le charlie chaplin mod.
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>>123833418
That looks pretty good, I wish I had good games like those
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>>123833418
I like your gross paraguayums
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fug
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>>123833418
All my cool V2 games went missing sometime between several years ago and upgrading to Windows 10. :c
Have the Europe from a recent Peru game.
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>>123827035
TRP or Black Ice

TRP is all around great, but I love extended timelines so I'm undecided which I will use in the future.
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>>123836894
What exactly happened on February 16th of 2013?
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>>123836894
>
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Hello /gsg/ I've had enough of EU4. Should I get into Vic 2 or no? It seems to be the dominant title here.
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>>123833418
>Partido Socialista
>Partido Socialista
>Partido Socialista
>Partido Socialista
>Partido Socialista
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>>123838168
No, the vickyboos are just out in full force in this thread. Vic 2 is a meme game, and has no actual substance beyond building liquor factories and encouraging bureaucrats. Its false sense of complexity and the resulting autistic fanbase around it who actually think it's a complex game make it literally reddit tier. Get HoI3, it's a much better game.
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>>123838562
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>>123838168
>Should I get into Vic 2
Naeh.
Hoi3 or eu3.
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>>123838641
>Vickyboos have no other responses to criticism other than stale memes
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>>123838729
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>>123838729
To be fair, you didn't do any criticism. You just made generalizations and buzzwords.
We could get your same post and adapt for all the games in the world and would have the same substance of your argument.

Not even him.
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>>123836101
Would've settled for Ite de France but rebellions on the Scottish Isles force me to sign a premature treaty.
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>>123838168
Read the infopic
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>>123838902
shit
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>>123838871
So you actually think there's more to vic 2 then just shifting national foci around, building liquor factories, and conquering African uncivs to keep your treasury from ever going into the red again? Vic 1 is much more enjoyable as you actually have something else to do - manually manage your pops. It's an autistic kind of fun, but it at least keeps you busy. Get that if you actually want a worthwhile Vic game.
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>>123838562
>HoI3
Literally worse than EU4
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>>123839307
t. deathstacking DH dev
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>>123833418
>Grossparaguayums
I like it
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>>123839114
>No, the HoIboos are just out in full force in this thread. HoI is a meme game, and has no actual substance beyond building divisions and making fronts. Its false sense of complexity and the resulting autistic fanbase around it who actually think it's a complex game make it literally reddit tier. Get X, it's a much better game.

>So you actually think there's more to HoI then just moving units around, spamming infantry, and conquering countries to keep your resources from ever going into the red again? EU is much more enjoyable as you actually have something else to do - (name your favorite feature here, let's say, watch numbers grow). It's an autistic kind of fun, but it at least keeps you busy. Get that if you actually want a worthwhile game.

See? Your "argument" is just generalization. I know you are baiting people, I know, but you spam this every now and then, so here's a proper response:
"I like X in a game" or "X is fun" isn't an argument. "I don't like Y" or "Y is boring" isn't either.

You can make broad generalizations (pick 2,3 sometimes even more aspects that you don't like) about anything to try and make a point about it being good or bad.
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>>123839605
>actually comparing having to make active decisions about building units you need for your fronts and how to organize them to "build liquor factory = profit" and clicking the bureacrat icon in the national focus
wewe lad
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>>123838562
>>123838704
>>123838985
Alright wish me luck, I'm not going through the tutorials
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>>123839605
>>123839114
>>123838562
Basically this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization

If you expect anything more than a memer answer, this one being one exception, for you weak bait based on your inductive fallacy, you are just a retard.
But I know you don't expect nothing but a meme answer, you probably want to either bitch at something you don't like or to just troll people.

>>123839894
>Still trying to use faulty generalization fallacies as an argument
>>
>CK2 shit
>EUIV shit
>Bored of V2

Time to end it all, lads.
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>>123840010
>v-vic 2's shitty economy and liquor factory spam is just a generalization guise!! t-theres other stuff to the game.... like electric gear factories!!!!!!!!!
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>>123839307

t. reddit
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>>123840129
That's called a strawman fallacy
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>>123840206
That's called a fallacy fallacy
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>>123840267
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>>123840385
eric
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Can you get more than 1 colonial state per colonial region?
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>>123840267
No, actually, it isn't.
A fallacy fallacy only happens in an ongoing argument.
You need an original argument to "inferring that, since it (the argument) contains a fallacy, its conclusion must be false."
The thing is, you didn't present an argument.

You presented a fallacy from the start.

Ironically, the only argument presented is the one I did. I presented the argument that you spout fallacies and expect serious replies.
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>>123840695
Please tell me what's so generalized about liquor factories literally equalling profit and being the road to industrialization
Because if you ask any sane vic 2 player how to industrialize, they say build liquor factories.
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>people actually falling for the 'v2 is shit bait'

youve fallen far /gsg/
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Is there supposed to be an oversupply of iron in HPM at the start of the game? All of my iron mines have massive unemployment and Milan's population is drastically lowering due to emigration.
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So who do I play in CK2 as the shitter from earlier in the thread? Pagans are dumb and Ireland is boring.
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>>123840892
>vanilla
Lmao. I never had a game where liquor factories stayed profitable after the first few decades
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>>123840695
>>123840267
Or, let's suppose, your original fallacy is also an argument.
I called your strawman not to conclude that your original "argument" is wrong, I just called you out for using nothing more but fallacies and expecting high level discussion about a game being good or not aka my argument.

If I'm not saying "you are using fallacies therefore you are wrong" then i'm not using a fallacy fallacy.

>>123840892
Look anon, I'm not going to discuss this with you. You are obviously not interested in a serious discussion. Next time you want to do that, try not to open and spout fallacies from the beginning to the end,

>>123841015
Sorry, I know he's baiting. I'm not even arguing about his bait though, just about his expectations to get people with that specific bait.
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>>123841015
The economy is quite objectively shit. There is only 1 good produced per province. The late-game economy is hopeless because people can't afford basic necessities. Goods just instantly transport to wherever they're needed. They can't be blocked from their destination. Every factory sells their goods at the same price as everyone else, which is mind-bogglingly dumb. You can't include things like the cost of labor into the equation of product prices when everyone sells at the same price. Factories throw away goods they can't sell. And most of all, there's absolutely no sort of interest or stock system, which any half-decent economic simulation would have.
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>>123841174
Abbasid caliphate in Alexiad, migrate to India
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bretty gud yurop :DDDD
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>>123841119
Yeah, HPMguy said he's looking into it
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>>123841513
Tbf I only like v2 because of the time period
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>>123841278
Imagine burning peoples cpus to do that
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Vicky 2 has by far the best timeframe and mechanics of any gs
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>>123833418
Why did you not go further with that Persia?
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>>123842547
>complains about simplification
>unless it's about le perfect vicky dont touch it cuz im a poorfag
>>
Victoria 2 isn't perfect because Johan decided to push his shit DLC policy and casualness with EU4 and CK2 instead of expanding on good games like V2 and HoI3.

It could have been the perfect (grand) strategy game if it had more work done to it, but Paradox saw no profit from it.

And they won't release the source/engine of it because they know people would be much better at it than they could. See East vs West, where a few guys made quite a breakthrough with a leaked code. They didn't get far because the coding per se is a fucking mess.

Prove me wrong.
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Is there any sort of mod for Vicky2 that simulates war rape and demographics change? Fascist/communist troops loved to rape civilians, and watching accepted pops rise in occupied territory would make my dick diamonds. I've already jerked off to Vicky2 just imagining it, now I need more
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>>123844120
holy jej
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>>123844120

Pretty sure it could be done easily.

Create an event with graphic descriptions of what you want, and the option(s) to move pops out of your land to the occupied land, with flags for checking what province is the occupied one, if you're at war and if you're fascist/communist.
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>>123844593
Would there be any way of making it so new pops spawn instead of moving them? I don't want to give my workforce to my enemy. Just to culturally enrich.
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Lads, I'm thinking of playing a meme game as a jewish republic of Socotra.

How should I name my realm/dinasty? What should be my goals? Any interesting cities to grab?
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>>123845426

Pretty sure you can't make pops out of thin air. They have to be moved.

It's not like you're relocating 70% of your country. Just move 100 or so people to rape some bitches.
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>>123845426
If you just want to simulate rape->accepted culture sjws get out just make a regional modifier that hugely increases assimilation.
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Do HOI3 puppets provide their strategic resources to the puppet master (even if they aren't in a faction)?
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Any mod for vicky2 map to look less shit?
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Does Qing have a decision/event to move their capital from Peking? I've taken every surrounding state
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>>123847394
rds mapping project
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Hey /gsg/, I just realized that the AGoT mod for CK2 finally got updated a few weeks ago, but the auto installer isn't working for me. It goes through the whole installation but then it isn't appearing in the dropdown list of mods. Any idea what it is? Downloading zipped files to try and do it manually now.
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This guy has lost 3 (2 and one Jihad) wars where he outnumbers the enemy atleast 2:1 due to this stupid fucking war that has been going on for ages.
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22 fucking years and almost no battles, nice fucking AI
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>>123849546
>prince-mayor of Jerusalem
>catholic levantine
Wew
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Okay
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>>123849701
>Irish Africa
I didn't think there was a way to make Africa worse
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How do I into sphere fights?
It seemed much easier in vanilla, now the AI focuses on countering only me and proportionally distributes it's influence...
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IT KEEPS HAPPENING


SOMEONE STOP IT
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>>123849818
They're already eating potatoes though, it's not that much of a change. Japanese Africa is worse
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>>123850016
Keep putting points in it until the sphere owner get close to 50, then wait until he spents the influence in someone else, then pour everything you have. After a few months should be yours.
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>>123848903
Come on, anyone? I want to play the new update, and I can't get this shit to show up in the mod menu. I haven't had this issue with any other version.
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>>123850468
generally, the owner just redirects the points again and gets to 65 for a ban before I get to 100

What seemed to have worked is that I invested into both S-P and Papal States and France decided to fight for S-P, then I just redirected all of my efforts to Papal States. So, old style.
Thanks for the advice anyway...


Also, Jacobin rebels OP in HPM?
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Dank memechievements bro
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>>123850772
What are your goals?, some meme roma bullshit or only sensible blob like Dalmatia and Tripoli.
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>>123851265
Well, I haven't really played vic2 since before AHD, so I'm mostly just going for the basic Dalmatia + Libya, while getting the feel of the expansions and the mod.


It's pretty neat though, not as static as vanilla, it's only 53 and Russia already government switched and NGF and A-H actually formed.

Gonna try to get Egypt under my control as well, maybe make a puppet Yugoslavia...
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>>123851214
At least they add something new for free instead of nerfing the whole game when some players get all the achievements like the MMO I'm playing.
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>>123851214
>Ideas Guy
With no more than 3 dev ever?
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>>123851637
going by their statements on wording, it just needs to be 3 at the start.
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>>123851637
No you just start with 3 dev and then you blob hard.
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>>123851745
>>123851767
Ah okay.
I don't play for achievements so wasn't sure about their standard wording.

RT +1, other imba ideas and get a big ally I guess.
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Can you h-handel it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joVkx20oVIg
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>>123853201

I wasn't prepared for this level of meme.
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Long time ago, some anon asked me to make a flag for Napoopan's monarchical boer South Africa.
I finally found inspiration to finish it.
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Somebody should make a present day V2 mod featuring a modifiers for the rise of fascism and stuff, and mass immigration.
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>can't form Jerusalem past year 1650
>it's 1652

well shit
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What supplies would exactly be short?
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hey boys!!
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>>123856453
*waves*
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How the fuck do I get alliances as a republic? fucking dukes are turning down their tenth daughter
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>>123844120
even having a drop of Fascist blood makes you übermenchen.
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In EU4, can you get wars like the spanish war succession? Where most of the world gets into war for the throne?
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How the fuck do I change my nation name in EU4?
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>>123857650
Yeah, it's more like I claim your throne, and your rival goes to war with me to stop me from getting too powerful.

>>123857721
As far as I know you can only change nation names in the nation designer or when creating client states towards the end of the game.
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Can someone tell me why the fuck won't The Mamluks and The Ottomans go to war? I'm trying to do the King of Jerusalem achievement but I've tried a handful of times now and The Mamluks don't enter a single war whereas The Ottomans fight everyone.
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>>123858612
might be because the Mamluks are weaker so they won't declare against the ottomans whilst the ottomans have claim/cores on the Greece region or minor countries in Anatolia so they want to war there first.

hope the ottomans get weak enough for the mamluks to declare on them
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>>123851214
So now you can threaten war if the other guy doesnt give up the land? Thats neat.
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>>123858612
Ottomans eventually get a mission for free claims on Mamluk land. They'll usually go to war for them pretty soon after that.
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>>123855329
>can't form Jerusalem past year 1650
What the hell why ?
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>>123846279
No, but in mods like uhhh HPP (I think?) they do. I know in HPP/HPM (whatever the name is) they have an event that pops occasionally where puppets give you like 2,500 of a resource
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>>123860059
No idea; got it from the wiki, and the decision indeed didn't show up for me after I had it conquered.

Possibly for the same arbitrary reasons you can't excommunicate or call crusades past 1650.
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>>123851214
>Strait Talk
>The Uncommonwealth
>The Third Way
>Pack to the Piast
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Colonize as Yugoslavia Y/N?
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>>123860282
>Ever not colonizing
>Willingly refusing the riches of the world, ripe to take

Wew.
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>>123851214
>back to the Piast
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>>123842945
The guy who originally programmed its economy was fired. There wasn't a lot they could do to try and reprogram everything and fix the game more after that, hence why it has a lot of problems still.

It's kind of like how the guy who made the initial CK2 portraits was fired, so everything after mongols and Arabs looks retarded.
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How much cossacks gonna cost? Shit still ain't on steam.
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>>123860491
All the portraits still look like shit even with the dlc desu

Even Crusader Kings 1 looks better
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>>123860584
Fuck me £14.99. I want off this ride.
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>>123860584
$0 B^)
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>>123860584
Literally just use the DLC activator.
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>>123860649
I agree with you there, 2D portraits were 100% the way to go, and there's no reason for the Paradox games to be in 3D like they are even still, it just looks gross.

CK1 is also a more interesting medieval game in general, though I have a harder time playing it for ultra long periods like I might wiht CK2
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>>123860756
what's better about ck1? Never played it so I'm hoping it's not just muh nostalgia and muh new paradox games are shit
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>>123860813
It was a bit more difficult in that game, oftentimes building a huge empire took a lot of work to do and still had great costs, since provinces could be pillaged and if I remember correctly could even deteriorate and need investments for repairs with certain buildings.

You had more control over finances and more laws, with sliders and whatnot representing all of that business. Also, you were never directly told if someone was like, gay or something, and rather those traits would all be eventually discovered through evens and the like, making it a far more riveting process.

Atmospherically it was also more obviously medieval feeling, and the game was actually rather bleak by some measures. All in all though it did have a fair share of problems that CK2 didn't fix but rather avoided by doing something strange and different. Both games are so different that there's no reason not to have both of them.
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w-where can I talk about age of empires 2?

Just picked up the HD edition cheap and FUCK THE AI IS RETARDED GOOD NOW
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>>123851214
>first come, first serve
>first come
>come
is that south america fucking the usa?

r8 my burgundy
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Guys I just walked in on my Dad and he was blobbing as Prussia...

My heart sinks with shame... What do I do??
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>>123861831
Stand at the door and just keep repeating stuff like "Wew epic grossgermaniums, dad"
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>>123861831

Give him CK2 and watch his confusion as he discovers Baltic Prussians.
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>>123861831
You should be proud, Prussia is easily the best german state
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>>123861831
Be proud that your dad has what it takes to be an epic tactician
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>>123851214
>this post is dedicated to ddrjake don't even try getting 100% again or I'll make another Byzantium achievement!
???

I rate those memechievements dank/10
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>>123861831
It's time to think about a divorce, anon.
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>>123861759
>1460
>Liege not annexed
Anon pls.
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I rule in the petty kingdom of mumu!
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>>123862528
The greasy haired scot of peace and bad teeth isn't the only one with 100%
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>>123862547
half-annexed

at least austria is btfo af
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>this is the last day HPM can possibly post a new version before his "new shit for november" promise runs out

Will he do it lads?


https://poal.me/6kheqy
https://poal.me/6kheqy
https://poal.me/6kheqy
https://poal.me/6kheqy
https://poal.me/6kheqy
https://poal.me/6kheqy
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>>123854941
I was that anon.

This is fucking incredible, lad, you've done me proud.
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>>123862628
Fuck HPMguy and her shitty mod
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>>123862619
How far over the relations limit are you? Also Lorraine had better be a vassal.
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>>123854941
Do you have a big version of this?
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>>123862750
2 over
it's not my vassal
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kek
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>>123863290
I want to be a ebin streammer like DDRJake and Arumba, but I get no viewers

FeelsBadMan.png
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>>123863486
Why would he get banned? It's not like it's off-topic. Hell, it's not like off-topic shit gets banned here anyway.
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>>123862376
>not allowing us to add more options.
R
H
ELBE
I
N
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>>123863624
Posting links to streams can get you banned? I guess now we know what happened to Mega Campaign Lad.
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>>123863714
Seems a bit harsh desu
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>>123863645
Rhein Elbe Danube desu
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>>123863714
>Posting links to streams can get you banned
People asked him to stream. Not the other way around.
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>>123863941
SANDSTORM
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ebin ai :DDDD
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did mega campaign guy died?
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is there any reason not to add combat brigades directly to HQs?
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>>123864692
Arumba pushed him off a balcony, he's currently catatonic and there's little hope of recovery
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>>123864812
They don't get bonuses of the army HQ's if you directly attach them to theater HQ's
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New dev diary
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-11-research-technology.893377/


>I want each new game of Stellaris to be a new and different journey. That is why the game does not have a “tech tree” in the classical sense. Instead, each time you start up a new research project, you are presented with three semi-random choices. This is a bit like drawing three cards from a deck of cards, picking one and returning the other two to the deck. However, to continue with this metaphor, the trick is in the shuffling... The deck is very much stacked, so to speak. Especially in the early game, some cards are extremely likely to end up in the top, so that all players get a fair start. What happens in the background is a complex weighting of various factors, like the ethics of the empire, the traits of the scientist character in charge of the department, the techs you already have, etc. I guess you could say the result is something like a fuzzy, hidden tech tree.
>Certain technologies are considered rare or very rare, and these are clearly marked so that you know you should probably pick them lest you never see them again... There are also “tech cards” outside the deck (this card metaphor is really useful!), that can only be drawn in special circumstances, like when researching certain Anomalies, investigating debris, etc.
>Of course, there are only so many normal technologies to research, so you will eventually have most of them. To keep things interesting even in a very long game though, there are also many procedurally generated “improvement technologies”. For example, techs that improve all types of laser weapons by a small degree. These technologies are a bit like the “Future Technologies” in Civilization except that you can start getting them long before you’ve actually run out of scripted technologies.
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>>123864839
but it's still reasonable to attach brigades mostly to corps HQs to save on generals or am i an idiot
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>>123864931
>save on generals
Are you playing with a meme nation ?
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>>123864972
I exclusively play meme nations lad
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Why the fuck is the optimum eu4 army composition low cavalry high artillery even in like 1600 lmao, believable worlds....
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Why won't this fucking bastard peace out?
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om nom nom
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>>123865473
wow that's so new and original
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>>123865473
>double the dose of flippum birdum

That's not doing it for me anymore, doc. I need something stronger.
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>>123865430

>UK
>Great War
>Giving up

Gotta beat the Royal Navy and hit the isles or they'll keep it going.

Or just ride out ticking warscore.
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should I convert? Reformed or protestant?
all protestant centers are gone, reformed hasn't triggered yet
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>>123865430
i bet you haven't even occupied their home territory, why the fuck why the brits peace out if they're completely safe on the isles lmao
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>>123865710
Convert to Protestant
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>>123864812
Only 3 combat-worthy brigades is a lot less powerful than 4, even taking the lower cost into consideration.

If Generals are really a problem you're better off getting rid of the OOB entirely.
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>>123865710
protestant is better after they nerfed the reformed morale bonus
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>>123865890
>>123865919
looking at this, is it worth it?
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>>123865972
Yes, and take religious ideas for free Deus Vulting
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>>123865972
Yes.
Make it a new goal to convert Europe to protestantism
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>>123865907
isn't HQ a support brigade with some soft attack and air attack?
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>>123865972
+2.5% discipline, +5% morale and +10% manpower recovery speed all at the same time and won't ever run out is worth it by far
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Paradox is about to create another holocaust with their new DLC
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Cossacks will be released tomorrow?
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>>123866383
nah parakeks will fuck up their schedule as usual and it will be released Q3 of 2019
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>>123866473
I'm actually hoping the fuck up and realease it next month. I just remembered I was in the middle of a achievement campaign and I won't be able to finish it in time.
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>>123866267
>>123866046
>>123866016
okay, I'll bite
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>>123866196
.33 soft attack. By comparison Artillery has 4-5
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>>123864901

>>>/civ4xg/
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>>123866572
good lad. It will be a bit shit to start with as your provinces will mostly be wrong religion and you'll have to get enough church power for three aspects but ride it out and it'll be good in the long run.
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>>123866270
Sweden, Yes.
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>>123866571

>le chibmunts

hello reddit
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>>123866635
lel didn't realise it was that low t.bh. I've cut down on OOB a lot due to lack of generals but is it worth just attaching all divisions straight to theatres instead of adding brigades to corps then
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>>123866740
I'm ahead a few decades in swords so I can boot terrorists
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marco antonio is such a madman
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>>123866853

Don't do that. Just let them rise up and kill them with mercenaries. Provinces get a -10 unrest after rebels pop up.
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>>123866835
The main thing you lose are -supply consumption and +reinforce chance. Reinforce chance isn't that important if you are manually controlling units since everything you attack with on day 1 is automatically in. Supply consumption is alright but usually small countries have an excess of IC compared to leadership/manpower anyway and they can dump that into supplies. Also small countries have shit leaders so you're looking at 10-15% supply consumption bonus, max.

One nice thing about attaching everything to Theater is that you get your Theater general's skill level up mad fast, which helps with stacking penalty. Mostly useful for higher difficulty levels where you need lots of force concentration to break through.
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>>123866853
did you take administrative ideas lad? burgundian national ideas stack with them giving you cheap and numerous mercs to destroy rebel scum with
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>>123866921
He killed Julius, the absolute madman
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>>123867051
>>123866985
I did take admin
I'm just too poor to afford any merc right now
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>>123867051
Admin/burgundy ideas do jack shit to mercs because of how paradox can't do math properly.
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>>123867120

>too poor
>as burgundy
>negative prestige
>0 manpower
>negative income
>playing EU4 in the first place

Yeah, I noticed that you're a shitter. Consider killing yourself.
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I want to own all of germany as Bohemia and dismantle the HRE.

Which ideas groups should I get?
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I decided to try the NWO mod since some anons were posting it the other day.

Jesus christ it should be illegal to release such an unfinished mod.

>traditionalist (reactionary) muslim brotherhood of Argentina
>no provinces produce oil
>on top of the muslim brotherhood, most of the parties (aside from the peronist party, of which there's two copies of) make no sense whatsoever
>mod is basically PDM w/ the same meme events but different years

I'm still gonna play it just to see how it pans out, but this seems like it's gonna be painful.
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>>123867190
Rude
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>>123867195
influence first group, admin or humanist second group, offensive/defensive third group, diplomatic fourth group and offensive/defensive 5th group. By that point choose whatever you want because you should be powerful enough it doesn't even matter
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>>123867190
what I posted the past week:
irish and romanian ck2 playthroughs
romanian and german vicky playthroughs
romanian hoi3 playthroughs

I really want to stop playing and do something productive, but I may have issues :^)

also, nice meme
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>>123867261
>He doesn't know the muslim brotherhood in Argentina
lel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood_in_Argentina
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>>123867419
Thanks anon! I'm going with your suggestion
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>>123850772
The trick to influence is to stop influencing as sson you get discretited and resume when it expires, then repeat. You should get them this way
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WHO /hype/ HERE?
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Is there a way to donwload mods for EUIV from the workshop without owning the game anymore?

workshopdownloader desnt seem to work anymore
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>>123866808
Not him, but achievables are the only thing that gets me to play long campaigns. I'm bad at self-motivating sandbox goals.
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>>123866808
But achievements in paradox games, well EU at least are actual goals that are like "go do this thing" which is what they should be, things the devs think are fun or challenging to do.
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>>123868026
>Pirating

Buy the game. If you're poor you can just buy the base game(10 bucks), download the mods and put it on your pirate's folder

If you're really poor, wait for workshopdownloader to update.
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>>123868020
>We're at the point where you have to specifically mention that the update is a free one
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Patch notes:

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads%2Fpatch-1-14-full-patch-notes.893380%2F
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>>123868314
I hate to break it to you, but games have been considered a service and not a product for like 10 years now.
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RATE ME LADS
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>>123809918
Are you implying that feminism and the LGBT movement weren't major political forces in the Cold War Era?
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>>123862682
Glad you liked it.

>>123862894
I'm sorry m8, I deleted it. But you don't lose too much, in big it looked pretty shoddy.
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Do I buy Cossacks?

Do I buy Just Cause 3?

Do I buy FFXHD?

Do I buy a Wii U + Xenoblade?

Help me /gsg/
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>>123868560
LGBT certainly wasn't.

Feminism was but only for western nations. USA specifically.
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>>123868438
>18 pages

This is some cool sounding stuff
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>>123868654
>Feminism was but only for western nations. USA specifically.

So you get your knowledge about this from /v/, /gsg/ or popular media then I take it?
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>>123868654
>LGBT certainly wasn't.
Are you kidding me? During the cold war most countries in the west went from homosexuality being illegal to it being relatively accepted.

>Feminism was but only for western nations. USA specifically.
So? Western countries are still half the world.
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>>123868794
>>123868438

>636 lines, counting all the spaces and fluffy stuff
>18 pages

I remember one HPM changelog was like 400 lines and he's one guy
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>>123868654
>Feminism was but only for western nations. USA specifically.
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>>123868654

t. polack
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>>123805465
Ottoman minimod integration when?
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>>123869005
>I remember one HPM changelog was like 400 lines and he's one guy

300 lines of "changed 0.1 to 0.11" isn't really very important.
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>>123869005
>400 lines of values change
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>>123869141
Just like
- Granada is now an Emirate in 1444.
- Hormuz 4th idea now also gives +1 diplomatic reputation.
- Buffed mighty Gotland's ideas.
- Eclipsed rival is now +10 power projection (up from +5).


That big changelos was hardly value changes either, it was mostly the stuff he was correncting in maps and events
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>>123868794
>>123869193
Hello Wiz

I see you are still a salt and shilling mine
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>>123869409
You know, people always say wiz sounds salty, but people saying wiz is salty always sound saltier considering he blatantly doesn't care anything resembling as much.
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>>123869490
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>>123869409
>Being logical and reasonable
>shitposter

Oh boy. As much as I like HPM, I'm not going to pretend his patch notes are on the same level of Paradox.
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>>123861686
rts general.

Not here.
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>>123833418
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>>123869702
>rts general
too soon
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>>123868438

- Exclaves will now use regional naming (such as 'Swedish West Africa' instead of just 'Sweden')
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>>123869871
F
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>>123869598
I'm not saying they are on the same level. He's doing modder's work, they are doing an expansion being paid by paradox

But saying 600 lines is a lot of stuff because you always use one line per shit and you put spaces everywhere is cocksucking
If a modder can reach 400 lines in about a month with Paradox pushing shit like "- Tooltips for events where you gain/lose karma now show the karma value in green or red text without +/- signs.", which is something nigh unimportant, with all the time and money they have a big changelog for a company patch would be 1000 lines at least
600 is a normal patch
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>>123869957
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>>123869304
>Granada is now an Emirate in 1444.
What does this mean? Is that a government type?

I never play the filthy Muslims.
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>>123870126
>Chinese Communists have revolted
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>>123870126
AJKE 4sevvens for EVERYONE
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>>123870296
are you ruling teh slavs?
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>>123870320
"Bro send me some ambulances to help"
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>>123870212
it's a government rank
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>>123869982
>400 lines in about a month

Have you actually read a HPM patch note? Do you know how he mods?

Almost everything in his patch notes are value changes, even when things like "removed province X from 1, X is now part of 2". That's a value change.

You can't really compare with Paradox patch that actually change hard coded values.
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>>123869490
Nice damage control, Wiz

>No U
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>>123870421
Oh. Is it the equivalent of Duke?
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>>123870445
Have you read what I wrote? I'm not comparing the level of work. The bulk of what Paradox did IS, however, value changes

>- Added 25 new achievements, 5 of which work specifically with Custom Nations.
>- Uzbeks now start with cores on all of their provinces in 1444.
>- Ragusa now starts guaranteed by the Ottomans.
>- Iqta now gives +5% global tax modifier instead of +100% heir chance.
>- Added Tirhuti Ideas.

Because you don't write specific stuff when coding. I know a programmer's work will be resumed to one line like "fixed crash X". I'm not saying they are comparable, of course a coder's work is more work done than a modders work, but it's not only a programmer alone.

They have scripters, a lead and are supposed to add value for their asking price. Being able to do flavor and gameplay balance equivalent of a modder - the bulk of the patch - and fuck around with the interface a little isn't a lot, despite what Wiz writes.

I'm not saying a modder is good, I'm saying paradox isn't great and that 600 lines for a company isn't a lot despite the fact that the lead present it as "18 pages".
Especially considering the fact that the release will probably be buggy as fuck and it will require another expansion to fix the bugs introduced
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>>123868438
>- Increased base number of buildings per province from 1 to 2.

Bleh.
Increasing Development didn't need a nerf.

>- Development levels over 30 no longer contribute to higher coring and culture conversion costs.
Lame
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>>123869005
>I remember one HPM changelog was like 400 lines and he's one guy
If he worked for paradox it would still be like 636 lines due to the nature of how companies work.
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>>123870941
muslim duke-level monarchy is an emirate yes
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>>123870986
Paradox's problem is they can't be consistent with how specific they are.

>X is now 15% instead of 20%

Gets a line, but

>Buffed Gotland's ideas

Is also just one line.
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>>123871264
That's a problem too, I'm just criticizing the guy for falling for Wiz "muh 18 pages" ploy
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>>123868438
>There is an option to enable or disable 'fantasy' content for RNW such as being able to encounter highly advanced native american empires

Wew.
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>>123871264
It's intentional to keep some things a surprise.

>>123871006
Development sounded like it was buffed, getting a discount in your capital for your total development and some farmlands (or was it grass?) getting discounted dev cost sounded pretty reasonable.
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>>123871469
>I can't spoiler "mighty Gotland" ideas or that would ruin the game
That's the lamiest excuse I ever heard

>>123871438
They seriously added highly advanced native american empires?
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>>123871557
>excuse

It's not so much an excuse as the reason they decided to do so. If you don't agree with it that doesn't stop it being a reason.

And if you decide to random new world there's the chance for some fantasy things to happen, like you could find vinland, which I assume would be a viking colony. But you know, that's just optional stuff. Mite be a giggle to see once or twice.
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>>123871557
In the new random new world, you can optionally enable "fantasy scenarios" like advanced natives or a forgotten viking colony etc.
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>>123871663
Both are retarded and you are retarded for agreeing with them
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>>123871691
wew
can we enable ancient aliens too? Cyborg george washington? Arrow to the knee infantry?
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>>123871723
Don't have a cow man.
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>>123868438
>- Replaced Quantity: National Arsenal with "Mercenary Contracts", giving +50% possible mercenaries.
God fucking damnit.


>- Peace demands now cause stability hit when declined if the negotiating country has at least 50% War Score and the AI would have accepted the demand.
I don't know. 30 over seemed enough for the stab hit.

>- It is no longer possible to block a strait for an army whose war allies control both sides of that strait.
Should depend more on the straight imo.

>- AI protectorates will no longer Westernize
Why not?


>- The mission for the Emperor to befriend an elector now gives a modifier to Imperial Authority.
>- The mission for the emperor to improve relations with an elector now gives a imperial authority modifier and will not retrigger as often.
Just remove the HRE while you're at it
>>
Why every day following up to a Paradox release and a few days after it this thread seems to get filled with paradrones?
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>>123871967
>Why not?

Basically the problem was that no one took them because they westernised every time, so it was always a bad idea to take them, you remove that westernisation and then it's fine. Having a protectorate or two is a thing you might actually do.

>>123871967
>Just remove the HRE while you're at it

wut, this makes the HRE stronger, now random nations that don't have any business being emperor are less likely to get it.
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>>123871469
>Development sounded like it was buffed, getting a discount in your capital for your total development and some farmlands (or was it grass?) getting discounted dev cost sounded pretty reasonable.
Very minor discount for Farmland and a good discount for your capitol, while negating a large part of the value of developing provinces.

Using primarily diplo points to increase a Cloth producing province up to 2 build slots so you could get workshop+manufactory was super valueable, but now that strategy is just gone.
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>>123868438
>- Removed opinion penalty for Competing Great Power as it has little effect and is frequently nonsensical in the early game

How easy are they trying to make this game ?
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>>123872164
>diplo points
You mean mana
No one calls bird mana diplo points here, buddy
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>>123871816
1. We don't know what all the possible scenarios are.
2. There's just the option to turn them on or off, not to enable certain ones. You could keep rerolling the new world until you got what you wanted I guess.
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>>123872164
How many cloth producing provinces actually started out with just 1 building slot?
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>>123870415
>>123870126
>C&C Generals
I personally love this, haven't seen it in a long-ass time.
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>>123872130
>Basically the problem was that no one took them because they westernised every time, so it was always a bad idea to take them, you remove that westernisation and then it's fine. Having a protectorate or two is a thing you might actually do.
Because sometimes I want to roleplay as a somewhat more benevolent westerner and uplift the poor natives. Protect them until they westernize and can stand on their own.

>now random nations that don't have any business being emperor are less likely to get it.
What?
It's an emperor only mission, nothings changed there.
What are you talking about?
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>>123872226
Do you really think that's a big difficulty change?

They altered rivalry and some other modifiers as well, I think you're overstating the change. It's not like the -25 ever mattered.

>>123871469
Development needs some major buffs, or to be event driven. It's so fucking worthless. There's no point unless you need another building slot or are about to hit the mana cap.
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>>123872316
It was a great game desu
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>>123871998
why is it that the thread usually full on hates EU 4, but everyone is totally engrossed in patch minutae right now?
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>>123872485
Because people love to see Paradox fucking up and Wiz retarded changes
What's your excuse for all the shilling going around?
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>>123871816
Are you ready for ebin jan mayen? :^)
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>>123872485
EU4 hatred is a vocal minority.
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>>123872485
I personally looked at it so I can shit on EU IV some more desu lad.
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>>123872351
>What?
>It's an emperor only mission, nothings changed there.
>What are you talking about?

The development requirement for the "become emperor" mission. The AI is less inclined to make a go for it, thus get it if it's not got the mission.

>>123872351
>Because sometimes I want to roleplay as a somewhat more benevolent westerner and uplift the poor natives. Protect them until they westernize and can stand on their own.

And sometimes people want to roleplay having protectorates in the way that was historical which wasn't possible. You can still give them a border to your nation and then just leave it and guarantee them.
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>>123872543
http://www.eu4wiki.com/Jan_Mayen
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>>123872564
"no"
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>>123872530
>what's your excuse

too lazy to start up a new game of vic2 and /his/ is slow, so I'm hanging out here until I muster the initiative to actually do something productive today
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>>123872485

I take a good look at patch notes to see if the game is going to start getting better.
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>>123872680
So you are too lazy to play games and stay on /his/ but to shill for paradox you are not lazy at all
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>>123872678
Compare EU4 sales to V2/HoI/etc sales and re-evaluate that claim.

EU4 is by far the most popular /gsg/ game, you just don't see most of the players posting except around releases.
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>>123872230
Bird mana, sorry.

>>123872296
Up to like 45.
And it's not the only trade good that gets value out of getting an extra build slot.

Made a lot of value out of the persian region area and around it by putting diplo points into Silk, Dye, Cloth provinces and getting them up to 2 buildings.
Other good trade goods as well, but those I were prod leader in early.
I did this by choosing to hold off on teching diplo with by bird mana and building up my production base instead.
This change removes a very meaningful choice.
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>>123872668
Are you ready for even MORE ebin jan mayen? :^)
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>>123872735
And the answer is still "no, it's not getting better"
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>>123872789
You sound upset that devs are willing to put silly easter eggs in their games.
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>>123872764
It selling more doesn't mean its more popular in every demographic lad.
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>>123872764

You're assuming /gsg/ is a perfect slice of the Paradox market, which is a questionable assumption.


>>123872834

Well, the exclave naming will make the maps prettier.

No word on mana though.
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>>123870445
Do you remember all the hard work Wiz put on the naval AI in V2 HOD? That shit no developer could do?

What was it that he did to make the naval AI better again?
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>>123872781
It sounds like you put more into development and buildings in one game than I have ever.
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>>123872748
>shill for paradox

WHAT?
Can you autists please drop this paranoiac mentality?
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>>123872917
>>123872947
gsg is like 300 people, calling it a demographic is a fucking stretch.
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>>123873010
t. Paradox PR
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>>123872853
You sound pretty defensive of wiz retarded ideas
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>>123872575
>The development requirement for the "become emperor" mission.
That wasn't the mission I was talking about or the one you responded to.


>And sometimes people want to roleplay having protectorates in the way that was historical which wasn't possible. You can still give them a border to your nation and then just leave it and guarantee them.
I don't see how it should prevent them from westernizing.
If they have to become more useful instead make it so you keep them as protectorates after they westernize or that they turn into a vassal.
>>
>people are literally mad about optional settings

Why, out of the whole list of changes, is this what you autists find unacceptable?
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>>123873054
And you sound pretty sore in the butt that some people like silly things.
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>>123872853
I am upset that they keep forcing their retarded memes like jan mayen and ULM instead of actually trying to fix their shitty games
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>>123872947
>no word on mana

That will never be improved, if you can't come to terms with it, just find a nice EU 3 mod and play that to be honest
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feels good desu
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>>123873116
Sorry I'd rather have my games not pandering to retards
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>>123873020
Still it doesn't change that your claim being wrong lad.
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>>123873112
Same reason people got map at the optional "sunset invasion" paradox PR
Retards like Wiz wasted time on this instead of working in what matters: fixing their shit

>Being surprised when people get mad over fantasy shit in games that are supposed to try to simulate history or when said games try to become more like civilization
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>>123873207
>my games

:^)
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>>123873105
>That wasn't the mission I was talking about or the one you responded to.

I will admit I misread you

>>123873105
>If they have to become more useful instead make it so you keep them as protectorates after they westernize or that they turn into a vassal.

Or they could make your fringe case harder and make the stuff that the majority want to happen, happen, with a simple change.

Protectorates give trade power and don't cost a diplo slot, which is why they're neat, if they stop doing that then they're not worth it anymore, or they're a nearly free vassal (IIRC you can always enforce protectorate, so you could vassalise fucking ming that way)

It just opens up a big can of worms that can be elegantly delt with.
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>>123873391
We'll fight and we'll conquer again and again!
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>>123873180

I just haven't played the EU series since I bought EU4.

Would have gone back to EU3 to do a megacampaign in my own time, but I fucked up and lost the CK2 info of the one game I thought was pretty neat.
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>>123873323
If they make more money on retarded shit than by "fixing the game" then maybe you should increase their profit incentive.

>>123873161
>spend like 2 minutes coming up with a console command for an overpowered nation with clearly overpowered ideas that they probably spent 20 seconds coming up with
>work

do you just not realise how development wor- why am I even asking. Software development is an alien concept to this general.
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>>123873391
>bullying Jugoslavija
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>>123873002
And it was a versus multiplayer game.

Later on with liberté, egalité, fraternité and a lot of neighbourhood bonus and such I went from last in diplo tech to first.
First tech cost me 30 bird mana and then I built 100+ threedeckers to get to #1 diplo rank.

Anyway, just giving provinces an extra base building removes a big need of developing and great value out of it.

As another example.
Game is nearing the end and with 4 mil idea groups filled and the next mil tech costing over 1k I now have the decision to put the mil mana into cheap accepted culture provinces where I can have a manpower building or into provinces that need an extra building. With 2 base building this isn't even a choice anymore.
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>>123873517
>If they make more money on retarded shit than by "fixing the game" then maybe you should increase their profit incentive.
>maybe you should increase their profit incentive.
>increase their profit

Nice try, Wiz
>inb4 I'm not shilling I'm just deeply worried about paradox and I know how software development is and you don't
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>>123873517
>maybe you should increase their profit incentive.

Oy vey!
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>>123873605
>Anyway, just giving provinces an extra base building removes a big need of developing and great value out of it.

Well, if that turns out to be true in wide scale they can always change it more. Give more terrain types negative build slots to compensate for the extra one.
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>There are people unironicly defending Paradox
Wew, lad.
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>>123873605
>And it was a versus multiplayer game.
In your office, with everyone from the company to balance the game for MP? :^)
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>>123873323
>Retards like Wiz wasted time on this instead of working in what matters: fixing their shit

The people that think EU4 is broken also believe Paradox will never fix it, so that argument falls apart.

>Being surprised when people get mad over fantasy shit in games that are supposed to try to simulate history

It's optional. If you don't like it you never have to play with it ever. This isn't "believable worlds", it's just a wacky map gen option to make a boring part of the world more interesting at the expense of historical accuracy for those who desire it.

It's nothing but "stop liking what I don't like!!!" and that level of autistic retardation will never cause anyone or any developer to change their ways.
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>>123873727
The bigger problem is people unironically defending Wiz, he's by far the biggest retard working for paradox
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>>123873631
I'm not deeply worried I'm just telling you that it's retarded to expect them to stop doing these small things which clearly some people like and buy.

If anything it's an anti-capitalist argument.

And I'm mocking the fact you think that some of the stuff they've done that's silly is actual work that took more than 15 minutes for one guy to do.
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>>123873727
>companies don't have paid shills.
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>>123873879
Take off your conspiracy hat, /pol/.

It's always more likely that you're surrounded by idiots, than it is that you're surrounded by conspirators.
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>>123873375
>(IIRC you can always enforce protectorate, so you could vassalise fucking ming that way)
Oh damn.
Yeah that wouldn't be good.

I think it is odd that a country that is a protectorate, and has more influence from a western power can't actually westernize though.

Staying as Protectorate after westernizing would solve it, wouldn't it?
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>>123873846
As far as I see, people are actually defending EU 4 mostly, it just that Wiz gets thrown around, like he's some criminal mastermind that stalks /gsg/


At times it makes me think it's not even a meme anymore, honestly, seeing thread dynamics of some generals, I can understand how memes like
>jewish internal enemy
actually resulted in nation wide austismal killings.
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>>123874007
Is there an actual example of a westernised protectorate in the time period though?

Because westernised AI African tribes in 1600 seemed pretty wonky to me before...
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>>123874002
/pol/ doesn't believe in a single conspiracy, you're looking for /x/.
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>>123874201
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>>123874103
>memes
lol, this isn't the place for that.
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>>123874007
The way it's made doesn't allow for that I don't think. Protectorate status is based on tech group. Decoupling that would require a whole new system be designed around it. And of course sometimes you would want them to stay primitive.

The easiest way around it would probably be for it to be a decision maybe. The way you describe what you want to roleplay is a really weird thing that isn't really served properly by being a protectorate and in my opinion at least is best represented by having territory near them and guaranteeing independence.

The problem really boils down to wanting them to westernise is super fringe case, and the way it works now is reasonably elegant, and it would just take a lot of work to come up with something that works well to replace it.
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>>123874201
Are you kidding? /pol/ looks for a conspiracy in everything that happens. The zeitgeist of that board is the fallacy of apophenia.

Granted, for a large number of posters, it's only for entertainment, and they know better. But there's also a number of idiots who truly believe it.
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>>123873813
>will never cause anyone or any developer to change their ways.
Yes, we can only change their ways if we " increase their profit incentive"

>>123873868
The fact that you attribute economical success to adding fantasy "small things" is telling

> they've done that's silly is actual work that took more than 15 minutes for one guy to do.
wew
Why you always see this argument throw around when we critize paradox retarded shit?
>It was just 15 minutes goy, it's not like we could spend it doing something meaningful
>It's obviously working, look at those sales
>If you want them to change, buy their stuff
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>>123874406
sure buddy, it's all a conspiracy.
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>>123874428
>Yes, we can only change their ways if we " increase their profit incentive"

Yes, although in this case that means don't buy the game if you don't like it. Stop shitposting.

Why do you assume anyone that says anything even remotely similar about the fantasy scenarios is actually trying to talk you into buying the expansion?
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>>123874103
>At times it makes me think it's not even a meme anymore, honestly, seeing thread dynamics of some generals, I can understand how memes like
You don't come here a lot to 4chan, do you?

>actually resulted in nation wide austismal killings.
Oh, the horror
>>
>>123874428
Look, you're a retard who can't grasp pretty simple points (or an asshole who chooses to intentionally misinterpret them)

The argument is made because you aren't criticizing anything, you're shit flinging and saying "they should do x and y" when clearly x and y doesn't make them as much money as a and b, so WHY should they?
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>>123874590
all who oppose us are conspiracy theorist anti semitic racist hill billy skin head criminal losers with low iq.
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>>123874550
>Yes
>>
>thread was discussion of patch changes and game mechanics
>now it's shitposts and shekelposting

Is this an improvement?

Is this what you wanted?
>>
Looks like the Amerikiddies are shitposting in their lunch break
>>
>>123874592
> "they should do x and y" when clearly x and y doesn't make them as much money as a and b,
Prove it then
YOU claimed they are making money with fantasy shit and easter eggs, prove that's what their fans want and that's what's making more money for them
>>
It is known that one or more paradox employee/paid shill comes here whenever a game/DLC/patch comes out.

It happens every single time.

I would not be surprised if Wiz or Johan themselves lurk this place from time to time
>>
>>123873718
>Well, if that turns out to be true in wide scale they can always change it more.
I don't have a lot of faith in that I'm afraid. Even if a lot of people had similar experiences than me I doubt Wiz would be able to comprehend it.

>Give more terrain types negative build slots to compensate for the extra one.
That would be a little better than just everyone having 2 base buildings.
If for example mountains had -1 build slot and everything else was the same, I would've still made great use out of putting bird mana on the mountains to get textile manufactories, but I wouldn't have made as much of a difference between the other players and I, since the player with a ton of Steppe would've easily been able to fit in all of his buildings without a problem.
I guess Steppe should be easier to settle though, kind of is due lower dev and build cost than a mountain.
Maybe Arctic, Desert, Mountain, Tropical, Forest with -1 build slot. I think the issue was mostly solved with generally lower development and increased dev cost though.

>>123873734
I'm shitting on the patch notes.
>>
>>123874750
>I don't understand capitalism

You mean companies do what they think will make them money? Buying a product will increase the likelihood of similar products while not buying that product will reduce it?

These concepts are strange and foreign.
>>
>>123874829
not exactly, but I find it entertaining, so, you know...
>>
>>123874829
>thread was getting shilled to hell and back and wiz got salty when people called him on it
>now it's only his chunk norris memes

Is this an improvement?

Did you get your sale?
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>Patch comes out
>People from /r paradoxplaza fills the place

Why does it keep happening ?
>>
>>123874956
no its the jews i swear
>>
>>123819787
The activator is in the game folder, and every time I run it, it crashes within seconds
>>
>>123874907
>>123874907
>I would not be surprised if Wiz or Johan themselves lurk this place from time to time
Wiz does. He routinely gets salty with us for calling mana on eu4 and when he was just a goon not the lead of the goon astroturfing department he came here to shill his shit all the time
>>
Greetings "gsg"

We all excited for the new content? Buying it first day here, can hardly wait :)

Also psyched about that Stellaris ;P
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>>123874590
>>123874725

daily reminder that every 6 gorillion post makes a slav sad
>>
>>123874956
If you think capitalism or companies work like that you are either naive or retarded
>>
>>123874907
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muqYPFCJhM0
>>
>>123874198
>Is there an actual example of a westernised protectorate in the time period though?
I don't think so, but I think if we go that route we'd more likely end up saying the Westernization should be removed as a feature for most countries since it didn't happen.

>The way it's made doesn't allow for that I don't think. Protectorate status is based on tech group. Decoupling that would require a whole new system be designed around it. And of course sometimes you would want them to stay primitive.
Figured since you can vassalize an indian tech group state while you're in the indian, and then if you westernize you keep them as a vassal it shouldn't be a problem to have a similar thing happen with a protectorate.
>>
>>123875241
get mad at the slavers that forced you to fight the axis.
>>
>>123874858
>prove something that could only be properly proven by metrics which you don't have access to.

You know damn well the best I can do is point out that they have seen pretty much constant growth in terms of the player base for their games. CK2 was an anomaly because it was timed fucking perfectly with the ASoIF craze., but even then they still see new players move in and acquire reasonable playtimes.
>>
Fuckin leak hoi4 already. Why beta faggots are such pussies?
>>
>>123875303
>da joos ran all dem yurop states 'n shieet

okay
>>
>>123875298
Tbqh it wouldn't be a terrible idea to remove westernization
>>
>>123875401
The Jews.
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>>123874978
>thread was getting shilled to hell and back

Where the fuck did you see that?

Unless "shill" means "found anything in the patch notes to be positive".

You really think this was awful:
>>123873517
>>123872264
>>123871006
>>123871469
>>123872351
>>123873105

And this is an improvement:
>>123874750
>>123874725
>>123874590
>>123874428
>>123873727
>>123873846

The people whining about shitposting are 100x worse than the actual posts they're upset by.
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>people hating on paradox because they added fully optional fantasy civs for random new world
Another developer would NEVER have gone back and fixed an old expansion the way paradox is doing right here.

Show some gratefulness for fucking once in your life you huge faggots, holy shit.
>>
>>123875298
well the other guy already presented the problems with vassalising Qing and shit like that...


Anyway, what I hated was how easy is for the AI to westernise from a protectorate.
I mean, I don't want for westernisation to be removed, but taking a protectorate in West Africa usually resulted in the whole are becoming westernised by late 1600s, early 1700s, since the neighbours of that protectorate usually westernise as well.
>>
>>123875619
t. butthurt jewhan
>>
>>123875401
When all Jews have 0 stake in Europe is when Europe is free, the Jews place and financial area for development is detailed in the bible, Palestine and the middle east.
>>
>>123875337
>A) Claims something is making them more money and that's why they do it and should do it and somehow are justified in doing it
>B) Claims I'm full of shit in wanting them to focus on their actual fanbase that's interested in history instead of going for fantasy because of A

You are the one shitposting. If you can't prove that "clearly x and y doesn't make them as much money as a and b" then why the fuck are you trying to use it as an argument?
I mean, something that CLEARLY doesn't make them as much money as the fantasy that's making them so much money shouldn't be hard to prove
>>
What should my goals be for a Spain run in Vicky 2?
>>
>>123875765
Go Carlist, take colonies back.
>>
>>123875298
Oh yeah that is true, I forgot you can keep them like that.

But then you would have nations that are paying 90% base for their tech, Imagine a westernised Qing protectorate. They'd be paying 80% tech costs at most, possibly they could get it down to 50% in some areas because they'd have tons of ideas.

It would be the most retarded shit ever. I'd fucking LOVE to play that game where I just stayed a protectorate under a european nation while I just rocketed ahead in technology.
>>
Just bought ck2 off steam, does paradox really expect me to pay up to a 100 bucks for dlc?? I mesn the base game cost me 5 dollars on steam.
>>
>>123875859
They gotta make money somehow anon. 5 bucks isn't much.
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>>123875536
>Where the fuck did you see that?
Just head the thread

>Buy their stuff if you want them to fulfill what their fans always wanted
>WOW 18 PAGES? FUCKING HARD WORK GO TAKE A VACATION NOTCH
>It was only 15 minutes!
>>
>>123875406
The ahead of time penalties are pretty hefty so you could probably play as a lot of inferiors anyway.
Down to Chinese Tech maybe.

5 years ahead of time is +50% compared which is the same as the indian tech penalty.

American tech groups need to be able to overcome their penalties in some ways though if westernization was removed.
Not complete westernization, but getting up to 20-60 maybe.
>>
>>123875859
Yes, but we expect you to pirate it
>>
>>123875757
I can't provide figures to prove something if I don't have access to the figures, but they do have access to the figures and you don't think the fact they're doing what they're doing with those figures is telling? or do you think paradox don't care about money?

I mean they're either massive jews or they're not.
>>
>>123875519
im jew
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>>123875896
>workers of the world unite
>under the bourgeois of course
>>
new thread
>>123876028
>>123876028
>>123876028
>>123876028
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>>123875660
>well the other guy already presented the problems with vassalising Qing and shit like that...
Yeah but that wouldn't be a problem if Qing simply stayed a Protectorate if it Westernized under your Protectorate status.

>Anyway, what I hated was how easy is for the AI to westernise from a protectorate.
Yeah I understand that it needed to be fixed somehow. A lot of wasted effort earlier for serious games.
Maybe a special CB when they westernize, where in the peace deal you can force them back in the protectorate status. Could be another solution.

In most gameplay this change isn't that big of a problem though.
>>
>>123875817
>But then you would have nations that are paying 90% base for their tech
Aw fuck right. Yeah that would be silly. Great, but silly.
If the protectorate tech cost modifier is a national modifier it could just be removed, if it is too tied up into protectorate status you could slap on a negative modifier.

I was actually looking into it maybe a week ago, if you could somehow abuse staying as a protectorate celestial kingdom and westernize, but didn't find away.
>>
>>123875536
>korean
>a race

This is why you anglosphere faggots are retarded.
>>
>>123880336
t. jap who needs slap
>>
WHY CANT SOMEONEE LEAK HOI4 BETA?!
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMzN6po7nfY
anyone got souce on the song?
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