/wgg/ WarGames General

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First for remember that US CIWS can't even hit a sub sonic target drone. And this is what is suppose to protect them against skimming super sonic missiles.

>>123780792
Fortunately the US doesn't have to rely on CIWS

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>>123780439
third for gods plane
Russian shitter btfo

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>>123781082
Shit taste tbqhfam

>>123780924
They shoot down missiles with their magic and unicorn farts.

>>123782013
The Tomcat was pretty good, though I'm not sure if magic is what I'd call it

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>>123781310
That's not a Mirage.

>>123780439
Flogger?

>>123783106
>the german army was nothing but tigers
>we beat them anyway)))))

That's from that Russian movie about Kursk isn't it

>>123783267
It's from Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter.

>>123783267
Tiger-only units did exist, you know. This scene depicts the opening to the battle of Kursk.

And no. This is the German series "Generation War".

Is call to arms worth it?

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>>123783106

>>123784102
I've enjoyed my time with it. But I've taken a break as, like any early access game, by the time it comes out fully you've experienced everything in a lot of detail and is no longer fun. Hence id recommend waiting till its more finished.

R8 Yuropoor

I'm thinking of dropping the M110, should I?

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>>123785342
Forgot pic

>>123785595
It's decent
>jagers not in m113
>fsj in dorniers
>m109s ever
>m110s ever
>no mars
>all tanks at trained
>bgs over commandos para or fernspahr
>KWS ever

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>multi-roles will slowly push the A-10 out of relevance in dcs just like in real life
Feels good mang, A-10 fanboys are the worst. They advocate the use of an obsolete aircraft because muh BRRRRRRRRRRRT.

>>123786492
>BRRT

It's more the ability to carry a ton of ordnance and dump it, while remaining slow enough to minimize the number of passes needed.

>>123786906
It wont be carrying SDB's so its useless. Sadly it is time to retire it.

How's IL2: BoS?

Its on sale. Are there any populated US servers??

>>123786906
>Let's keep it around because it can do a job that drones and rotary wings do better

>>123787393
>Are there any populated US servers??
It's more of a yurozone plaything.

>>123783376
A division had at most 12 tigers at kursk.

>>123787543
I get that it's more popular in EU, but all I really need is one populated server. It doesn't really matter if there's 200 servers or 1, since you can only play on one at a time anyways.

>>123787760
Proofs?

>>123786906
Multi-roles are able to do the same job while not needing to rely on other aircraft. A-10s cant even fly in lightly defend air defense systems, they are literally flying targets
>they sent A-10s to Syria but they wont use them for CAS because of all the SAM threats
top kek A10 babbys will still defend it though

>>123787843
I saw the inventory of the german units at kursk. I can't be bothered to find them, but since you're claiming there were whole units of tigers, i'd like to see your reason for thinking that.

There were 2 groups of panthers though, around 100 in each.

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>>123786492

>multiroles
>DCS

JUST ANNOUNCE THE FUCKING VIGGEN ALREADY LNS

>>123788768
"Heavy Tank Battalions" existed. I'm not going to claim there were Tiger divisions or even brigades, there clearly weren't. But these heavy tank battalions could and did have up to, or more than 30 Tigers at a time, and that Webm probably depicts one.

The Initial attack in fact was spearheaded by 45 Tigers belonging to 505th Heavy Tank Battalion.
-Clark, Lloyd (2012). Kursk: The Greatest Battle: Eastern Front 1943.

>>123786478
What do I replace them by?

>>123789501
A Battalion in WW2 is a platoon in WW3.

>>123788768


Surprising, because the Grossdeutschland alone had a heavy tank battalion permanently assigned to it, and I know two other heavy tank battalions were present for Citadel. Max strength for one of those battalions is 45 Tigers, and per wiki the 503rd had 42 of 45 combat ready 4 days before the battle.

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Too lazy to check if this was posted last thread.

DCS SA-342 Gazelle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex_wuZ9feok

>>123791412
>No source.

>>123792692
Should I go for the Gazelle or huey for a first chopper? I know the Gazelle isn't out yet, I'm prepared to wait.

Fishbed fags are fucking retarded
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=120580&page=238

>>123785595
>>123786478
Keep the Jägers in Fuchs they are waaaay faster, and still good value

remove the M109/M110 they're shit, if you want tube arty CAESARs are mandatory (also add NAV CAESARs for additional fun)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZa2YlCnCDM&feature=youtu.be

>>123794412
>french fags are asshurt that people would compare mirage to the Mig-21
Top kek you and the shitters on the ED forums are both autist. kill yourself

>>123794898
Jagers are weak infantry alone, they derive their power from spammability. At 10+5pts per squad they can cost efficiently destroy spets, at 10+10 they don't. Strong shock or SF like RIMA, Legion, or FSJ should be taken in more expensive wheeled transports because you don't buy as many of them.

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Why does everyone think we're getting a Viggen from LNS? Did I miss something?

How would that do against the M2K and MiG-21 in combat? I'm guessing it's nowhere near the rest.

>>123796039
>ignore all data proving you wrong
>ignore reality that mig-21 is no longer relevant outside of POO IN LOO
no slavaboo you are the autist

I wonder how the M2k is going to fare against the F14

>>123796193
Speculation on the Viggen part, no formal announcement was made but Cobra hinted that something may happen in December. They want to ready the promotional materials first.

>>123796390
but why the viggen

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>>123796368
The rest > MiG-21 > Viggen > F-14 > M2000C = MiG-29A > 29C > Su-27 > F-15C

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>>123796827
>Viggen > F-14
Maybe if you have no friends. Hell I've even got friends that don't particularly care for simulators excited about the F-14 because they want to be in the second seat.

>>123796578
No idea but if you're interested, I'm sure there's something on it here http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=140135&page=231

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>>123796193

LNS listed a whole bunch of tech that is going to be featured in an upcoming module and the JA 37 seems to fit all of them.

Viggen was designed for hit and run slashing attacks, it bleeds speed like a motherfucker in a turn. iirc since Sweden knew they'd be fucked trying to fight off the VVS in furballs it was better just to use hit and run + datalinked flights with decent BVR to slap out as many as possible then leg it back to base. Main advantage on its side is Technology™, and lots of it.

if it is the Viggen they better give it the Swedish AIM-4

>>123796578

Swedish dorito planes a cute.

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Thread buddies the sign ups for the /wgg/ wargame tourney are starting up today. The rules are in the pic and the steam group is where you go to sign up. This is set up as a quick, fun tourney and there is a prize for the winners so feel free to make a team.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/wggtourney

>>123799749
>nat'l decks only, one nation per team

intéressant

I thought at first that REDFOR would dominate because of the Soviets, but Red minors suck ass, while BLU can bring the likes of France or South Korea

>>123800103
China and CZ aren't slouches either.

>>123800270
Yeah, but I don't think they're FRG or France-tier

>>123800340
>>123800270
>>123800103
yeah that is why I am pumped about this tourney. I want to see what tricks people can pull off with their team deckbuilding. we have some solid teams planning on signing up so if anything jump in to get some matches against players who can actually hold their own.

>>123798882
Apparently it might be the F104G

>>123801346
I don't know where you got that. LNS has been F-14 levels of hinting at the Viggen. That's a given at this point.

The only question is what the other plane is, and considering they were modeling a low quality version of A6M gear (presumably for an AI plane) and had the picture of a cockpit of a Corsair a while ago in an F-14 teaser image, their other plane is possibly a Corsair, although that one is less certain.

>>123798882
Harrier and tornado also fit their tech lists, although cobra did have an avatar for a while of one of the viggens missles.

Honestly not looking forward to an ugly, obscure swedish plane that nobody cares about.

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>>123801857

>ugly, obscure swedish plane that nobody cares about.

>>123801728
Corsair is all but confirmed, LEATHERNECK sims, cobra with a black sheep avatar, corsair screenie posted on eds facebook that was immediately taken down.

Are there any games with 1960s+ jets with that will let me to hop in and fly one without reading pages of aircraft's manuals but without arcade flight models? Like Warthunder's realistic mode.

Is anyone interested in an IL-2 1946 night? Thinking of firing up some coops for the next weekend.

>>123804552

Strike Fighters 2 m8

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>>123804552
Strike Fighters 2. It's basically IL-2 46 but set during the Cold War in terms of realism and gameplay.

>>123802071
It's true, though. I never even heard of a fucking Viggen until Wargame.

>Such shit it can't even get in the big as fuck roster for shit like Ace combat.

>>123805273
It's on the Infinity roster I believe.

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>>123805273

>hadn't heard of the Viggen until Wargame

Read a book nigga

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New vid of M-2000C, just startup though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZa2YlCnCDM

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T-80

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>>123806616
T-80

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M1A1

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Boyevaya Mashina Pekhoty 2

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Shilka

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Leopard 1

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T-34

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Leopard 2

>>123806465
People bothered to write books about the Swedish airforce?

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BRDM-2

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KV-1

>>123793848
go ka-50
>>123796341
Stick with wargame
DCS is a fun game for having fun, your autistic nationalism has no place.

>>123808046
>21 and m2k are both delta wings
>therefore they must be comparable
>disregard 20 year gap in airframe design and 10 year gap in tech

this is how retarded you are

not even french

Can an East German regiment fight through 15 kilometers of challengers in 6 hours?

>>123793084
http://www.cgsc.edu/CARL/nafziger/943GGBA.pdf

Lists the German OOB, compiled from sources at the end of the pdf. 503rd, 505th, and 507th Heavy Panzer Battalions served at Kursk, in addition to Grossdeutschland's organic heavy panzer battalion. 503rd and 505th were armed with Tiger Is, 507th was reorganized on the eve of battle into another unit and was comprised of Panthers. Grossdeutschland's 3rd Panzer Battalion was armed with 14 Tiger tanks, and another 12 were present in the SS Liebstandarte Adolf Hitler division. Das Reich and Totemkopf's numbers are not listed, but I wouldn't be surprised if they both had a Tiger battalion as well. So yes, there were definitely more than just 12 Tigers at Kursk.

>>123810198
Just go kill yourself, no one here cares.

>>123810560
>15 kilometers of challengers

How many Challengers?

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>>123811698
huh?

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>>123805273
>he hasn't played AC:X

I'm not mocking you, actually. You need to play AC:X, it's really good.

>>123811884
>15 kilometers of Challengers.
Do the math, bozo. That's 15000 / 11.5. So 1304 Challengers stacked end to end.

>>123810560
It sounds a little challenging

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>mfw people underestimate the Fishbest
>mfw scrubs with their faces buried in instrumentation get owned by IR guided weapon.
>mfw they cry like faggots about national bias

Stay owned, losers

>>123812205
I tried it and it was fun, just not a big fan of F2P stuff and all that grinding. Doesn't help that it isn't on the PS4 and I can rarely justify dusting off the PS3.

Bamco hates money though so they'll never do anything intelligent like hopping to the system everyone uses now or releasing 4,5, and zero as an HD collection.

Any FPRS players here willing to playtest my campaign?

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>>123795640
There's something about that cockpit that I really like.

>>123796578
Because ducks were mentioned.

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>>123805078
>Strike Fighters 2
Is there a decent dynamic campaign in it?

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Do any MoW bros know when DCG 4.5 is going to be released?

It's been nearly 2 fucking years.

>>123817810
Probably dead, anon. Only mods I know of that are any production are World at War and GSM.

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>FC3 aircraft are so poorly modeled that 2nd gen shitbuckets are able to kill them
kek why do you planefags even bother? F-15's the 27 and 29 are all garbage. might as well play ACE combat with all the shitters.

>>123819098
At the end of the day it's down to the pilot. You can't blame 'flight models' or some retarded shit like that.

>>123814286
He said AC:X not Infinity

>>123819492
>implying the 27 doesn't dominate the field
Even the best f-15 shitheads cant handle the 27

>>123820292
>Every day these two planes are swapped around the 'OP' throne according to the community

I love it. It's how you know the planes are actually really fucking balanced against each other despite their different playstyles.

>>123820593
>Dominates=OP
okay.
>dcs
>balanced
retard spotted.

>>123821601
>Seriously thinks that the community as a whole behaves like Wargame players where they shit themselves and only play as one nation's aircraft because they are slav/burgerboos.

I mean, you have a minority of people like that, but the vast majority play everything. Not sure what it is you're crying like a baby over. No plane 'dominates' anything, the F-15 and Su-27 are both equally good, but at different things, and it very much falls down to pilot skill. Not 'flight models', or whatever flavor of the day excuse shitters keep shilling.

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>Doing DEAD on BMS 4.33 using GBU-39s because I can carry a metric fuckton of them and use them from like 30 miles out
>AWACs calls a Mig-29 flight 60 miles out
>"Ok the escort flight will take care of it"
>Stop paying attention to the calls about that Mig-29 flight and instead focus on my mission, bombing an SA-2 site
>AWACs calls the Mig-29 20 miles out or so
>"Holy shit they closed in fa-"
>Locked on
>"Holy shit holy shit holy shit"
>TWS designate him and send two AMRAAMS his way
>Pitbull
>He stops locking me up
>"Oh good"
>"Two, going defensive!"
>Look to the side
>Watch as Falcon 2-2 gets hit by his missile and almost imediately disintegrates
>Look forward and see the Mig-29 in flames

I'm so sorry buddy ;_;7 RIP Falcon 2-2 he din du nothin wrong.

>>123822210
>he din du nothin wrong
He followed you.
You killed him.

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>>123821992
>implying the SU-27 doesn't dominate in DCS because it's a vastly superior plane
it's like you haven't even played dcs.
>resorts to calling me a shitter and a baby
FC3 planeposters in a nutshell. I bet you call me autistic next.

>Mirage module comes out
>Madfag and the rest of eugen get hooked on DCS
>Next wargame has vastly improved air combat
>Missile combat is more nuanced
>Loadouts are customizable
>Every plane is modeled with intricate detail

We can dream, r-right?

>>123822538
>Vastly superior.
I bet you're the same guy that was shitposting yesterday about the opposite.

>>123822782
Wargame would need remotely interesting ground combat before I ever consider getting back into it.

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>>123822490
Internet PTSD

>>123822951
Nope, I just think that those pseudo flight sim pilots who play fc3 shouldn't even bother because Russian tech is 20 years ahead of the US

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>>123823364

>>123823364
Here's your (You).

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When?

Would someone mind sharing the 1v1 map strats in Wargame Red Dragon?

>>123824272
when combat helo comes out

>>123824309
Don't buy expensive tanks, and get a lot of recon.

Also, you might want to buy a bomber in the beginning to stop a heli rush as infantry are landing.

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guys I really want to play DCS Black Shark but that Starforce DRM warning is really putting me off. How intrusive is it? And I thought steam was already a DRM wtf would they add SF on top of that

Also, is there any milsim that let me fly a Hind or a Havoc? Goddamn I love the mi-24, it's like a milf attack heli.

>>123824525
I mean map specific strategies. I know the basics, but I lack the knowledge of how each map individually plays. I'm looking for information like how you should rush the enemy 2pt on Nuke Winter.

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>>123824323
>combat helo preview
>"A 1990s style PC Combat Simulation"
Early or late 90s?

>they haven't posted a video in a year
>no news on their site either
Fine.

>>123824925
Its not intrusive at all and get the standalone version not steam.

>>123824925
>is there any milsim that let me fly a Hind
Arma 2 and 3.

>>123824925
>How intrusive is it?
Haven't really noticed it.
The 21 module on the other hand loved to bitch and moan at every DCS update.

>>123825067
you should be able to analyse any possible situation and map and come up with an acceptable answer

>>123826116
Wow. What a lazy answer.

>>123826183
Just flow like water and be mobile like mongol.

>>123826183
There's no special strategy for the maps that doesn't apply to general gameplay. In addition, rigid strategies tend to fall apart in war game because the matches are so fluid and every deck has a different set of units you can exploit/have to look out for. Just outright asking for strategies for these maps is retarded, go watch some pro player replays and copy what they do if you really need your hand held that much.

>>123826183
you're lazy for asking, actually think about the map next time instead of mindlessly deploying counters that other people told you
loser

>>123825067
Oh, rushing is an ok strategy, but I suggested a way how to kill a rush.

I guess my strategies don't use rushes past midway, only how to stifle them. I love it when the enemy rushes since I usually know how to stop it and use it for my advantage.

On nuclear winter, going across the bridges with a lot of tanks and AA is hardly expected and will throw off most people. You need to have air superiority fighters though to cover them as they are crossing though. Do this mid or later game. You want to give him enough time to get most of his fighting force up in the front lines while you barely hold him off. Build up on the otherside of the river and launch it when you feel you have enough to make a difference.

Give another map name and I'll try to give you a suggestion.

>>123826687
>>123826816
These guys are partially right though.

>>123797670
Pretty sure he just got his > mixed up with his <

The R-77 is fucking terrible. It misses 9/10 times.

>>123828964
Ain't no AIM-9x.

>>123829128
DCS AIM-9X when?

>>123829228
It's in the game you just can't use it a legit loadout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMSfg26YSQ
https://youtu.be/1ougKVBzhDw?t=2m13s

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>>123798882
The cockpit sure doesn't look very Technology. Button heavy and a bit retro actually.

>>123824925
It's not at all the same Starforce system that people were hating on years ago.

>>123830280
>SLAV SI
Heh.

>>123812205
It's one of the worst on the virtue of having utter shit controls.

>>123828964
That's because Russian missiles are shit compared to what NATO has to offer. They cant even hit things within visual range while you can make 20+ mile kills with 120s. Russian not even once.

>>123832643
The R-73 is great.

>>123828964
Don't use the R-77. It's a terrible missile that just only barely outranges your R-73s. Load R-27ETs if you want fire and forget at "BVR."

>>123832906
R-73 did get pretty good with the last couple of patches I remember when they were absolute dogshit.

>>123833031
And still be outranged by twice the AMRAAM's range, all the while being as easy to spoof as an R-73?

Russian missiles a SHIT.

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>>123833287
I know you're just shitposting, but for the benefit of anyone who happens to be listening, I'll explain.

R-27ETs actually outrange the R-77, even in head on engagements. Although you shouldn't really be trying to fight an F-15 head on, you can sometimes make it work when you're against a really cocky F-15 that doesn't crank as soon as he fires off an AMRAAM.

In a head on engagement (which again, you really shouldn't be doing, but shit happens), what I typically do is fire one off at almost max range. Basically, as soon as the ET gets a "tone" I fire away a single one and then immediately turn tail. By the time you're in range for an ET shot, he's already fired at least one AMRAAM and the ET doesn't need you guiding it so there's no reason to keep flying in his direction. For extra misdirection, lock him up with your radar before you fire and turn around.

At that point, if he's an idiot, he'll fly right into your ET thinking you're not guiding an ER anymore. This works a lot more often than it really should.

Aside from that, I carry a 2 R-27ET and 4 R-73 loadout on the MiG-29 because you'll rarely be in a position to guide an ER all the way into its target, and the fire and forget capability is too valuable. As long as you're doing hit and run attacks while popping up from over mountains, you'll be fine with just IR missiles and you'll be playing to the MiG-29's strengths. The MiG-29 has a crappy radar, so it's kinda not especially useful in the BVR arena.

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>>123833878
The thing with ETs is that they're actually very easy to spoof, but if you're doing it right, your target won't ever know you've even fired on them. That's why the extra range is so valuable. It lets you make silent IR kills from much further out than you normally would with just R-73s.

R-27ETs are one of my favorite missiles in the game. They're a wonderful tool in the sneeki breeki arsenal of the game's Russian fighters.

>>123826945

You also need to be sure you killed all their nukebombers. Nothing stops a well orchestrated rush like clusterbombs/artillery.

I've decided that this is the other spectrum of dcs here on /wgg/. You talk negatively about a plane and all the slavboos come out of the woodwork and sperg out. You shitters are no different than the HATO babbys on the 104th, only that you shitters shill piss poor Russian fighters.
planeposters need to be banned

>>123823083
The shallow ground combat is kind of the point, the early wargames were meant to be RTS versions of tabletop wargames. It's not supposed to be MoW.

Too bad Eugen fucked even that up

>>123836812
(You)

>>123836812
I blame wargamers and their nationalist autism. Planeposters are cool when it's just them, but the armchair generals need to be gassed. All of them.

>>123836972
>The shallow ground combat is kind of the point
Then style it like some turn-based tabletop game, not like an RTS. Having ground combat being nothing but positioning units is repetitive boring. There is no intensity or excitement, because I'm just watching some boxes slowly move about from max zoom, with little reason to interact once the pieces are in place.

>>123837104
>Planeposters are cool when it's just them
Just wait until the Ace Combat shitstains come out of their holes.

>>123837104
>Planeposters are cool when it's just them
You idiots have been shitting up the thread the whole time wargames shitter actually talk about wargames tactics. Are you retarded?

>>123837424
This place was dogshit before planeposters showed up. Literally every fucking thread was like this.

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>>123837424
>wargames shitter actually talk about wargames tactics.

is there a free multiplayer missile fighter simulator worth playing?

desu I want to fuck around with cool ground attack weapons and dodge sams, but I don't have a joystick and too broke to buy DCS or anything

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Seeing as how Red Dragon is mainly about ships, how about we post some more ships?

>>123837740
DCS World is free you know. It comes with the Su-25T.

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>>123837754

>>123837839
can I play without a joystick?

>>123837854
Holy crap is that Fleet Command? I haven't seen that game in forever.

>>123837930
With the NWP mod on it.

>>123837924
Yes.

>>123784249
What's this from?

>>123837854
>No CIWS shots
>Iowa didn't waste the frigate with it's guns
>Or Tomahawks
>No screen
>A Silex penetrated it from the front when even a Shipwreck has a hard time getting through the armor belt
About as realistic as an anime.

>>123838050
White Tiger (Бeлa Tигp). Russian war-mysticism movie where a modified T-34-85 with supernatural crewmembers must track down a CGI Porsche tiger crewed by ghosts.

That entire artillery sequence and tank advance is all going after the one ghost tiger, which kills everyone except the supercrew then disappears.

>>123837924
It won't be a pleasant experience.

>>123838112
Some anime try hard at having at least a resemblance of realism even if they're about a corrupt as fuck paramilitary organization fighting machine-like aliums that don't even grasp what a human is.

Currently installing SPWWW2SBPTFXT or whatever (aka Steel Panthers)

What can I expect?

What are some tips and things I should keep in mind to not suck ass

>>123818070
there are plenty more. what u talkin foo

General question: how do I get gud at Wargame: Red Dragon? I mean I tried to build a deck and pretty much just barely won against Easy computers?

>>123838593
playing against the computer is nothing like a real match, you should go try that

>>123838593
see
>>123826687

>>123838593
Computers are bullshit, your best bet is to find a group of people to play with. I don't know if the shitter steamgroup is still active.

And whatever you do, don't get sucked into 10v10 lobbies

>>123838495
You're going to get very angry. Expect to see things like sneaking up on a tank from the rear, only for it to 180 it's turret and snapshot kill you.

Or infantry running down the highway in droves, yet surviving large amounts of MG and grenade launcher fire like it's nothing.

Or reaction fires dominating the battlefield, so it's even more WW1 static-y than Red Dragon...

>>123838682
But I just get rekt and feel bad that I failed my team.

>>123838696
>tfw I actually live in Mongolia (I'm a Westerner) and the ping is shit

>>123838740
I don't have the connection for 10v10, anyway.

Are there some good videos to watch? I want to try to stick with one or two factions (enjoyed the GDR so far) and try to hone my skills with those. Is that a fair strategy?

Also, is Command worth 40 bucks? Looks interesting but is it just total insane learning curve?

>>123839170
This is my absolute favorite meme

>>123842106
It's just your typical Russian tank when hit by anything.

GuP's cast would have a field day with the entire Soviet army.

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When are planeposters going to leave and stop shitting up the thread. This general used to shitpost free before you faggots showed up.

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>>123838752
Is there any way I can run WinSPWW2 in a window? In all the screenshots it looked like it was running in a window but I can't figure out how to get it.

Is there any difference between This version and the DOS version or should i just play the DOS version since I can run that in a window?

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>>123843776
There should be an option to do so in the opening dialogue.

Anyone have a good cheat sheet for things like NATO counters/size of divisions, armies, brigades, etc? Looking for a page or two to use while I start wargaming.

>>123837924
Do you have a controller?

DCS on a Xbox pad is workable if you set the left and right bumpers as shift states, effectively tripling your button count. That can be done in the controls menu, no programs needed.

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>>123843894
Thanks. I had to start "game options" to get it to work. playing the first Poland scenerio right now

man this is kinda frustrating. I'm getting shot at by guys I can't see but I have to get right up on their ass just to fire back. I mean why the hell can't I shoot at this unit? is he on higher ground or something?

>>123846614
He's in good cover.

>>123846614
What game is this, anyway? Panzer General?

>>123848319
SPWWWWW2BT or something

here you go

http://www.shrapnelgames.com/Camo_Workshop/WW2/WW2_page.html

Is American aircraft superiority 90% the AMRAAM?

>>123848583
take AMRAAMs away and HATO have absolutely nothing

>>123848583
>Better Training; Makes a world's difference
>Better ECM; enemy radar-guided missiles are useless
>Better Radar; see enemy before enemy sees them
>Better Range; Makes enemy go defensive first
>Better Avionics; speaks for itself
>Better Ergonomics; see above
>Better Missiles; more reliable, also the AIM-120
>Bigger numbers; Force multiplies every other advantage. Backup can be anywhere it's needed. Iraq's a testament to this advantage. Even in the late 80's, American 4th gens alone outnumbered their Soviet contemporaries by 4 to 1. The "USAAF is the largest airforce, USN is second largest" isn't even a meme here

If the Soviets were the steamrollers on the ground, then even back then there was little doubt that NATO would own the sky (and ultimately, the war until the nukes began flying)

>>123838242
Sounds like garbage. No joke.

>>123851020
Yeah, it's pretty shit. The CGI action sequences are the only reason to watch it.

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>"Let's go home, little brother . . . heading . . . one . . . six . . . five." An enemy plane suddenly shot straight up in front of Sobelev. He recognized a NATO F-16. As the plane twisted into the sky, disappearing from view in the grayness, Sobelev's mouth opened behind his face mask.
>He had never seen a plane... a pilot... maneuver like that. It shocked
him.
>After a long, long few seconds, he spoke. "Hostiles, Fifty-nine... do what I do... do exactly what I do... do you understand?"

Is this stick good enough for DCS?
http://www.amazon.com/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-Flight-Playstation-3/dp/B001CXYMFS/

>>123851792
Its fine

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>>123799749
I made a thread for solo players who would like to find a team.

>>123832643
>20+ mile

We must be playing different DCS games, it wont hit 20+ miles against a c-17.
>>123834373
My favourite thing is when you see some guy at 12+ k meters afterburning, or if you are really low and some guys at 6-7k, you shoot an ET and slowly turn around, he'll think you are scared and keep his heading, after which he'll get splashed.
At at those altitude differences he wont ever see the launch because it's obscured by the nose of his aircraft.

>>123851792
It's an okay starter since it has a full size throttle included, just keep in mind that you'll want as many hat switches as possible for dcs or you will be using the keyboard A LOT. If you use that stick how will you look around unless you have track ir?. The X-52 pro is much more expensive that what you linked but it's a great starter stick.

>>123853160
>>123851792
The cobra defender is an example of a great cheap stick with hats and plenty of buttons, it doesn't come with a throttle is it's one big disadvantage.

What qualifies a tank to be a super heavy over just a heavy, in Wargame?

Point cost?
Armour?

The Six-Day war proved Soviet Doctrine a shit desu.

>>123854073
Nice shitpost, what'll you do next, call me autistic?

>>123854289
You're autistic.

>>123800270
CZ has no SEAD.

>>123853954
It's a sliding scale, not a discrete label. "Real" superheavies have 22 armor and 23 AP, but even things like the twardy and 160pt strv qualify because they still win handily against 140pt heavies and below.

>>123855736
>needing SEAD

Here's a mystery:
>In Mi-8 operating the R-863 radio at Beslan
>Manual frequency set to 117.000 MHz
>Squelch is on but there's static on both AM and FM
>Hear - - - . on AM
>Seems like it should be the Manychskiy NDB but that has a frequency of 705.00 kHz

>>123858723
>mfw I found out I can stream my favourite anime OPs over DCS ingame radio via beacons

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>>123780439
>don't browse 4chan for a few days
>two threads late
Wew lads, thanks for giving me stuff to read. I hope you guys went easy on the shitposting.

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daily reminder that AoA sold so well

>>123859593

Their fault for thinking RTS isn't a dead genre.

>>123812321
Have there even been 1304 Challengers manufactured?

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>https://www.reddit.com/r/wargame/comments/3utv61/patton_you_done_fucked_up_now_apparently/

This is too much fedora for me

>>123858723
Correction, 117.100 MHz
dash dash pause dash dot

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>>123848838
This is what slavaboos actually believe.

[r8 deck](http://imgur.com/RO7XehW)

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>mig-21 is in dcs
>mirage will be very soon
Now the viggen? Hold me /wgg/.

>>123861790
Still don't understand where people got the idea from that it's a viggen

>>123861690
Finish it first maybe?

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>>123861790
>still no MiG-23/27

>>123861949
lol no i dont need dark units lik f4 or jeeps thats for fagits

>>123861834
It fits all the clues for LNs next module and Cobra has had absolutely tonnes of Swedish air force stuff in his avatar the past few months.

>>123862637
And they are a mostly swedish development team, so misplaced nationalism is guaranteed.

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>>123862814
>misplaced nationalism

Lads, Why are VEAO so shit?

>>123863419
The English are fucking useless at everything

>>123863497
As an Englishman myself I resent that remark.
However this country is full of fucking mongs, and it doesn't surprise me that VEAO are such people

>>123863561
I want them to pull their shit together there are some tasty aircraft on their "wishlist" of modules, surely the typhoon will be good being a RAF contract right?

>>123864701

>surely the typhoon will be good being a RAF contract right?

Have you seen their fucking model?

I swear ace combat has more polygons.

>>123864962
I cant find any close up pics.

>>123864701
>Surely it'll be good being an RAF contract
Mate Crab Air are fucking mongs too.
We ask for 1 air asset for 2 hours in a day and they can't even manage to get it to us without breaking it.
Bunch of REMF cunts.

>Want to sleep
>Dont want to miss nttr release and start the download

>>123865946
but why

It's a bland as fuck desert

>>123867692
>MUH RED FLAG

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>>123867692
Some of us have been flying in the caucus region for over 10 years

IT'S RELEASED

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/2.0/
http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/2.0/
http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/2.0/
http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/2.0/
http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/2.0/
http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/2.0/

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>>123867692
>not wanting WiC style 'Soviet armoured division attacks Las Vegas' gameplay.

So I just bought FC3 on steam...

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>>123868459
Good man.

>>123868542
What plane is it? EOS means russian and given the number of pylons I assume it's a mig-29?

>>123868793
It's from the POV of a Su-27, the victim is an F-15.

>>123868793
You can see the wingtips in the mirrors and tell it's a flanker

>>123848583
In DCS or real life? In real life it's a lot more than just that like >>123849231 said.

In DCS, if you take away the AMRAAM, the F-15 still has a much better radar and better big picture SA with its RWR, but the fire and forget advantage then goes to the Russians with the R-27ET. However, at least with the ET you get a big missile plume if you see the launch. With the AMRAAM's (and even the AIM-9M to a lesser extent) smokeless motor you'll never see the launch. The AIM-9M, although not as maneuverable as the R-73, is much more difficult to spoof and has a surprisingly long reach.

Kinematically, the F-15 is still faster and can climb like a rocket.

I think in an AMRAAMless DCS, the F-15 would have a harder time against the Russian planes because of their EOS. I've always felt that the EOS was the "balancing factor" if you want to call it that, to the AMRAAM's powerful fire and forget capability.

Fighting with only Sparrows and Sidewinders is a little awkward, and definitely requires you to change up your tactics and rely less on your radar. It's also a really fun way to fly the F-15.

>>123868969
Every once in a blue moon some server runs AIM-7 vs R-27R/T and it is more fun than it may sound like.

You'd think the advantage would go to red because of the R-73 when the combat is forced closer, but i find the sparrow actually is a good missile within its limited range compared to the ER or AIM-120.

>>123870276
That's because the range on the R-27R is appalling and the R-27T is just a bit longer than the 73.

>>123870276
Anything that gives me an excuse to use Sparrow missiles makes me happy. They are my guilty pleasure and I always take at least 4 when I fly out in the F-15.

>>123860429
i loved it, waking up on sunday to that. ive always hated patton and never been able to put my finger on why, exepct that hes seems like a douchbag i wouldnt even smoke a joint with. which is wierd becuase i get a long with almost everyone including in wargame. im glad he finally got something. quitting early in the 4chan match is enough to make me write him off

This is a video of a desert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKI4fx6pny8

>>123871835
Needs more sand.

I have to say that composer they hired is bretty good.

>>123872137
>I have to say that composer they hired is bretty good.
https://soundcloud.com/btd

>>123871835
oh look

It's sand

in america

>>123871352
Even worse than the ~10 miles heads on range of the AIM-7?

>>123855736
So run it along side China and their magical 3 per card SEAD.

>>123873997
>20 km

oh no see i mean the actual hit the plane range, which is like 2 km.

>>123874526
Shit's expensive yo. I wish they had a cheap ass 4 per card sead plane.

>>123875329
Yeah feibao is the worst sead plane in the game imo

>>123876120
I wouldn't call it the worst, the missiles are pretty good at least.

>>123784102
I'm just waiting for the daggers who run red rising to update.

>>123875329
Yes, because of how Norway national dominates the meta right now, 4 per card SEAD planes are hella common.

>>123877401
What are you trying to say, anon?

>>123876762
They're too good even, ripple fire on those high-end missiles is just a waste of supply.

>>123877835
Yes that's part of the downsides of the feibao.

Why is it that DCS, a simulator that requires thought and patience, has the worst community imaginable

I thought the complexity would keep kids away


Is it the popularity among russians ruining it?

>>123877684
I was joking about the other anon wanting 4 per card low end SEAD, which is only available in Norwegian national, which is next to never played.

>>123878059
Saying this as someone to who plays and enjoys FC3 jets, FC3 multiplayer airquake definitely does not require thought and patience.

Do see as many shitters in the Huey, Ka-50 & MiG-21 as you do in the MiG-29, Su-27 & F-15? I don't think I do.

>>123878059
>a simulator that requires thought and patience
This excites the autists.

hey I want do the tourney but I've no friends (who would do it).

Do I need to go on Eugen forum ?

(IG name is Lice)

>>123868245
Here's to the 24 hour fucking download.

>people actually pay 40 bucks for grey sand

Amazing

>>123879234
No other maps to play but the Caucasus does that to people.

Heres to hoping we get a western Europe map for WW2 modules including ground units.

>>123879234
I paid 40 bucks for vegas and the surrounding area.

>>123879234
That's 'Grey Sand *in HD*' to you.

>>123878585
Join the steam group and post in the solo player thread. I will try to get solo people into organized teams by the end of the week.

>>123878585
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/wggtourney

>>123878059
It has a pretty good community, i'd say, sure there are some right cunts, but it's way better than arma for example.

>>123879234
You slavboos should be honored to support a russian company.

>>123882480
>Slavaboo supports american terrain

You aren't even trying anymore bob.

>>123882886
It's every slavboos' wet dream for russia to launch an attack on american soil. There are no inconsistencies.

>>123883183

No, that's an American wet dream considering how many US-made video games have the theme of "USSR invades US".

Soviets never had the equivalent of Red Dawn, no Soviet author ever wrote anything comparable to Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising

>even fucking hoggit doesn't really care about bland desert map

welp

hope ED didn't sink too much money into it

>>123883506
Prove it

>>123883856
1.5 Release thread got 5 times as many upvotes and has 3 times as many comments

Even random memeposts get more attention

>>123884161
I really hope NTTR is a massive flop so ED gets rid of this ridiculous marketing model.

>>123884161
Well to be fair, I don't think anyone has downloaded the damn thing yet,

>>123884281
It wont be, there are enough autists that'll buy this several times over.

But lets hope, maybe they decide to open the fabled map maker to the community.

>>123884478
I hope so, but I doubt it. ED really enjoys having a Stalin-esque control over anything DCS. At the very least, the upcoming LNS planes are all supposed to come with free maps included.

Unfortuantely, the eventual Normandy map is probably going to be $50 just like NTTR.

>>123884701
At this point LNS should just kickstart their own sim

I'd back it

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>>123884916
>backing flight-sim kickstarters
Why do you refuse to learn the lessons of history?

>>123885740
>24gb

oy vey.

>>123816701
I do

>>123886246
Here's the package: http://pastebin.com/z7JdYmTi
Included is only the second scenario however. I'm not done the third map and haven't started the fourth.

How much is NTTR worth to you?

>>123887018
15 bucks

>>123887018
About £10 less than I paid for it, but then I realised that that's not a lot of money. So I just went for it.

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Let's assume both superpowers don't go apeshit in the first 10 minutes and at least try to fight a conventional war before one ragequits via massive nuclear launch.
What are the odds of spillover in a hypothetical WW3 scenario? With the Superpowers otherwise too occupied to keep the peace, would the rest of the globe follow suit?
Norks vs South Korea?
China vs Vietnam?
India vs Pakistan?
Israel vs Arabs?
Myriad of other conflicts elsewhere?

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>all dem uncensored swazis
>dat encyclopedia

Now I see the appeal in this game (Steel Panthers in case anyones wondering)

>>123887547
>No Rhodesia

>>123887660
meme country desu

we saw what happened to them ;^)

>>123887756
What, you expect an African country that's somewhat developed but still African with a small white community that rides it alone to be able to stop an insurgency which is supported by major powers?

>>123887018
It's a hard question to answer because it's hard to deny the sheer volume of work that goes into a map like it. FSX modders charge similar prices for smaller areas that aren't even as detailed or big as ED's NTTR.

If I didn't already buy it like a good goy, I would say it should be around 15-20 dollars, but it's really more the principle of the matter.

I don't like the idea of fragmenting an already small community into two with $50 map, and it's only going to get worse as they add more terrains. I know it's unrealistic, but I wish they would let anybody who didn't have the map, play on servers that have the map. Owning the map would then mean you have access to play singleplayer missions, make your own missions, or host your own server on NTTR. This way there's still a lot of value in owning the map yourself (you get a ton of flexibility and conveneince) but you're not fragmenting an already tiny MP community to hell and back.

>>123887018
>>123888084
desu this ^^^

>>123859641
>>123859593
>Copy C&C generals
>Remove unit active abilities
>Remove interesting faction design and just have three 'samey' factions with minor differences.
>Remove commanders
>Act surprised when it fails.
>Blame the genre for being 'dead'

No. This is what happens when you pander to casuals in a genre notorious for being inaccessible to them. It's Planetary Annihlation and Grey Goo all over again. No one wants boring 'move here. Stop. Move again. Build-a-blob-and-1A' RTS games. There's no fucking market for it. There never was. The only reason some games got away with it during 'golden age' was because the genre was so new.

The only reason Wargame even sells as well as it does is because at least it's smart enough to pander to nationalistic autists who don't care about gameplay.

>>123888084
That'd be great if ED actually gave 2 shits about MP.

>>123887547
>Norks
Won't do anything.
>China
Only ones I can see making any serious move. They get bogged down in the jungle, again.
>India/Pakistan
Caught off guard by the sudden onset of war. Probably stare at eachother awkwardly as Europe falls apart.
>Israel/Arabs
See above. Also, Iran and Iraq are in no position to fight any further conflicts after 8 years of Iran-Iraq.
>Elsewhere
Even without WW3, they're fighting endless wars.

>>123868310
I want a WiC map. Just not an empty and boring as fuck desert with one town in it. I think I would have even taken Alaska over Nevada. Virginia or California would have been worlds better. Literally who asked for a stupid training field picked by the US specifically for how empty and featureless it was?

And why the fuck would I pay 60 dollars for it?

>>123885740
MiG-21 was a kickstarted project.

>>123889240
What can I say pal? Maybe this product isn't aimed at you, just don't buy it if the thought of sand makes you salty.

>>123889428
Hahahaha, yeah and perhaps you should read into what actually happened.

Hint: LN picked up the pieces from a textbook case of 'kickstarter trainwreck'.

>>123889462
>Just don't buy it if you like maps with things in them
I wont.

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You faggots get more and more cancerous

Tourney made by leddit for leddit with all-leddit participants

>Link to the 3v3 tournament got posted on Reddit

shit are we really that desperate for players?

The R-27ET is God's missile.

>http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=2575159#post2575159
Those TAW skins.

So not only are they absolutely shit at the game, they are also absolutely shit at photoshop.

lel.

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What the fuck are you shitting me

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>>123895163
This is the price of the freedom to fly above AMERICAN soil, son.

>>123895163
This would never happen with steam ;)

>>123849231
>Even in the late 80's, American 4th gens alone outnumbered their Soviet contemporaries by 4 to 1.

That's today's standards.

The numbers at the end of the cold war was 4241 figher and attack aircraft together (Source: https://higherlogicdownload.s3.amazonaws.com/AFA/6379b747-7730-4f82-9b45-a1c80d6c8fdb/UploadedImages/Mitchell%20Publications/Arsenal%20of%20Airpower.pdf) to the Soviet 5265, 3130 of which were fighters, 1330 of which were strict 4th gens (610 Flankers, 720 Fulcrums), along with 700 MiG-23 and 300 MiG-25 3.5 gen fighers, and finally 800 MiG-21s.

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Haven't played since Jewgene abandonbro'd it; is Wargame:RD dead, or is it still kicking?

Has there been anything new since Act of Aggression flopped hard?

>>123896253
I love it when a poster's source betrays him.
That's about 2,300 F15s and F-16s to the 1330 Flankers and Fulcrums.
Nevermind that excludes:
>The entire US F-18 fleet
>Danish F-16s
>Norwegian F-16s
>W. German Tornadoes and modernized F-4s
>British Tornadoes
>French M2Ks
>Belgian F-16s
>Dutch F-16s
>Canadian F-18s
The NATO 4th gen advantage is probably even greater than 4 to 1 in Europe alone. Nevermind the large reserves of M3s, F-4s, F-5s, etc... which leaves the Pact 3rd gen advantage irrelevant.

>>123898364
RD is still kicking, it easily reaches 1000~ players in prime time. It's also technically not abandoned entirely, there's 2 more map patches coming after the first released last month, presumably they are doing it in 3 month increments to keep a stream of active content for the release of wargame 4 in the spring.

>>123898364

Act of Aggression easter egg basically confirmed that Wargame 4 is in the works, so the ride hasn't ended yet.

>>123900970
>Act of Aggression easter egg

hm?

>>123901274
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NTS8gcJe3g

>>123901274
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NTS8gcJe3g

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>>123901469
>>123901505
i believe

eugen please

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>>123902389

I'm pretty sure the AoA stillbirth taught them that they'll be making niche wargames for the rest of their careers.

I just really hope they get around to Warhammer 40k Epic Wagame at some point, I'm certain Focus has the rights to it.

>>123902756
Kill yourself 40k faggot. Yugoslav wargame WHEN

>>123903083
WW2 wargame when

>>123903207
Silmarillion wargame when

Is Flaming Cliffs 3 worth it at the current price?

Should I wait for the Winter sale?

>>123908521
Considering it's the best value module there is it's 100% worth it yeah.

>>123903207
Ruse?

>>123908602
Is there a point if I already have the Su-27 and A-10C though?

>>123909380
Well you'll still be getting:
F-15C
MiG-29 (SFM for now)
Su-33 (SFM for now)
Su-25A
A-10A (lol)

They're all fun aircraft, idk about your region but for me it's £16. Its definitely been worth it for me.

But then again if none of those aircraft interest you, then of course it's not worth it.