/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

Reposting:

How would Vol'jin work if you had Brann on the field? Would it end up swapping twice, putting the stolen health back to the original card?

>>123751396
We should do something special when adding Cursed Blade to that museum, like you would never use harrison on that.

>>123751570
Yep

>>123751227
If you don´t have the expansions, then most class quests are not easy for you.

>>123751701
i have naxx and 1st wing brm

Is sac pact worth running in Reno lock? I got beaten by it last night playing as handlock, it seems like a great answer to Jaraxxus which otherwise guarantees the win for the handlock.

>>123751951
It is only worth on steed decks.

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>>123751951
This actually sound like a good idea.
But what do you cut? Mortal Coil?

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Should I craft the final ice block for freeze Mage.
Or just save my dust for Voljin?

>>123752460
Save for until the end of LoE. Then you can gauge the meta better.

Armorsmith always wins brawl

reminder that eloise is perfect

How do I battlecry shaman? Does anyone have a list for it?

>>123751597
>implying anyone will ever play cursed blade, when the only things that work with it are revenge, mortal strike and moltens

>get "warrior or rogue victory" quest
>reroll because I have no cards for either class
>get "rogue victory" quest

this game is shit

>I have 1 (one) minion on board so I win
FUCK DRUID

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>>123751227
>>123751227

I just got that quest and used this deck, easy 5 wins

>>123753010
Face rogue

>>123752928
Why is that

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Who here is going to make it to rank 5 this season?

>>123753130
>day 29
wew lad

>>123753045
Also the case for rogues

>>123753130

too lazy to do it

Why are Druids allowed to have so many options, objecitvely better cards in slot and effect than every other class, on top of the fucking combo? They have the only ramp mechanic in the game, and they don't need to sacrifice card draw for shitting their hand, because they have the best card draw minion in the game that triples as a body and heal. They have the best mid game taunt in the game, that doubles as charge for removal and face damage. They have the best silence in the game, that doubles as removal or reach for face damage. Yet, they keep getting shit like Living Root that has all the fucking options in the world. Why the fuck is it allowed to hit face? Why give them more sticky minions like the raptors, when it's known how broken Savage Roar is? Why do they not get the Warlock treatment in cards when they obviously have a class defining broken feature?

There's not a single other cancer class that has the luxury of lacking a weakness that Druid does. All their cards double as aggro and defense, so you can't race them like other combo decks.

>>123753073
He said he doesn´t have peddler nor imp gang boss.

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>Waiting for season to end to play rank so you don't risk tilting

I'm dying of boredom over here.

Have dragon.

>trying to get 5 wins with cw
>ladder is nothing but malygos warlock (thanks purple)
>piloted by literal retards who missplay constantly (draw last, overcommit, etc)
>they still win because cw is shit and their deck is fucking broken

gee I jsut love this game

>>123753232

Druids have no decent board clear so you can overextend to your heart's content as long as your minions don't have 1 health like those of an aggro shitter, which you of course are since you complain about fucking Druid when Paladins exist.

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Y-you will... burn...oh....

>>123753358
B-but my army of 1/1's

>>123753318

>control warrior
>shit
>malygos warlock
>"fucking broken"

Alright I never say this but you are an enormous, colossal, mastodontic shield fucking bearer.

>>123753421
I hit top 100 legend this month bro and been playing since beta. Your rank 20 opinion means nothing to me though.

>>123753318
>Playing CW in this meta
Literally every ladder deck is good against CW right now. Zoo, Paladins, midrange Hunters, mill & fatigue, and of course, the ever balanced Druids.

>>123753358
>Druids have no decent board clear
>Except this board clear that's good against the strongest deck type in the game

>>123753461

>I hit top 100 legend this month bro and been playing since beta.

Since you think malylock is anything but a meme deck you must have face hunted your way up there, assuming this is even true.

Also CW is one of the most consistent decks in the game and is more or less viable no matter the meta. Yeah it loses to Warlock but tough shit, no deck is invincible.

I love slow decks but never had the dust to make any.
Now I do.
Are there any control/slower decks that are viable now and will probably become more viable with all of LoE? (When I say viable I mean able to hit Legend without being Kolento-tier)
I've been eyeing patron (would require me to craft grommash, more midrange than control), dragon warrior (same), CW (Would require me to craft grommash, ysera, justicar... and doesn't seem that viable on ladder atm), control priest (this one I like a lot, but I'm not sure if I can reach legend with it).

For an indication of my skill level I hit rank 5 every season easily using non-cancer decks, but never got to legend before (may be because of a lack of dedication though, I keep switching to fun decks and shit because I can't stand the grind for stars).

Any advice from non-shieldbearers/non-paladin players?

>>123753496
I know bruh but I have a quest.
>>123753562
Malylock just won dreamhack winter you fucking ignorant imbecile.

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Anybody willing to add me so I can do pic related? BattleTag is Arrowfiend#1969.

>>123753643
post region you pussyfart

>>123753563

I suggest Demon Handlock. By far my favorite control deck, you have a ton of options at any given time. Some matchups can be rough though, namely paladins and druids.

>>123753623

tournament meta is not the same as ladder meta, friend. Oil Rogue and Patron won Blizzcon and yet you hardly ever see them on ladder, wonder why that is.

>>123753563
No, control decks are never in a "good" position. Shit like Malylock, deathrattle Rogue, Zoo, mill, and fatigue popped up the moment control decks got a glimmer of hope in Reno. Control is too easy to punish, and is never anything but t3. Just save your dust for the combo deck that's gonna be t1 at the end of LoE.

Right now, the only playable control decks are variations of handlock (Reno and demonlock), control warrior (automatically loses to half the ladder decks), and freeze mage (automatically loses to warrior).

>>123753563
I hear that reno jackson decks are viable but ive never seen one in action before. you could try that

>>123753701
Malylock is still fucking broken you stupid fucking retard, kill yourself for being such an imbecile.

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>>123753689
NA. Sorry I forgot senpai :(

>tfw f2p peasant
>been playing for 4 month
>it was never fun. Pure grinding.
>got decent collection but not even close to all necessary cards
>yestarday I played sort of warlock Reno
>had tons of fun even thou deck lacks must have cards like jarraxus
>had tons of fun
I can feel it now guys, 2 more months of grinding, and hs will be fun for me.

>>123753829

>malylock is broken

Top fucking kek, before dreamhack you would have been laughed out of /hsg/ for having such a shit opinion. Also nice namecalling, get back to me when you actually have an argument that isn't "it's broken because it won a tournament", big fucking deal. How about its winrates on ladder?

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>>123753853
It's okay, you are forgiven.
I didn't have that spurdo yet :-D
Can't help you, though, EU.

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>>123753562
>>123753948

>>123753930
Or just hand blizzard some cash

posting region is meaningless anyway, you only need the tag number. If it begins with 1 it's NA, 2 it's EU.

>>123754009

>lose the argument
>b-better call him a shieldbearer!
>that'll show him! heh heh....

fucking pathetic, are you 12 senpai?

>>123754042
People can run in multiple regions though

It could be a quest on an alt region

>>123754042
but I'm on EU and have friends whose tag starts with 1

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>>123754042
I'm fairly sure I'm on EU

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place your bets niggas

>>123753236

well, he can replace them with harvest golem and loatheb / boom

>>123754335
PhD in Explosives

>>123754335

USURPERS

>>123753701
>Some matchups can be rough though, namely paladins and druids.
Doesn't sound like a good idea then.
Warlock is not an option for me anyway, I lack most of the giants and both class legendaries on top of many cards.

>>123753784
Well that's disappointing.

>>123754335
PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT

>>123754335
Dr seven

>>123754417
>so much faith that he pops up in gvg packs

>>123754042

My tag is #6xxx :^)

>>123754479
6th world country pls go

>>123753563
>>123754402
stop listening to so many retards and think for yourself.

pick a control deck you like, play it. every single one that exists right now can reach legend with ease. and patron isn't control.

they aren't bad either, they're all around tier 2.

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>>123754380
>>123754390
>>123754417
>>123754434
Got a good raptor rogue dicklist?

watch and learn
winam#2986

>>123754640
Yeah but not with him
>>123754656
Post region you pussyfart

>>123754532

No need to be mad you don't have a special tag :^)

>>123754687
eu but somebody posted before that you don´t need to post region

>>123754728
but that person is wrong and you'd know that if you read the posts replying to him

>>123754778
yeah I just read the replies

Whats a cheap deck I can build to get easily to rank 5 next season so I can just play my custom deck for fun without worrying about perfoming for prices?

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How are you enjoying Flamewaker: The Tavern Brawl, /hsg/?

>>123754835
face hunter, as always

>>123754845

When I was playing in the brawl I just auto conceded against mages after a few matches

no real trouble

>>123754845
>playing brawl more than once ever
Huh?

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>>123754924
usually nice for quests, but I pity people who don't got 4th wing of brm or incredible luck

>>123754656
anyone? eu

>>123754924
There are a bunch of good ones that are good for quests. This one is not one of them.

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>game keeps crashing while i'm winning in arena

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>>123755185
maybe you are winning against the wrong person

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>finally get a legendary
>it's nozdormu

/hsg/ guide aside, are there any more recommended resources for learning arena?

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WHAT IS IT

>>123755685
dustcaller

>>123755685
PUT YOUR FAITH

>>123755685
neptulon

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>>123755712
>>123755737
>>123755764

New to the game, what meta decks does this even fall into now

I don't see this at all usually

Do I dust

>>123755685
Just is car

>tfw played Malylock religiously before Purple brought it
>always thought it was sleeper tier 1
>it's gonna be on tempostorm list next week and all the retards are gonna play it
;_;

>beating aggro shitter with a mill deck

is there a better feel?

>>123755787
She's for fun, meme decks

>>123755360
>waa 400 dust :^(

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COME FORTH, COWARD!

>>123755968
That's still 1200 dust less than pretty much any other legendary is worth

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>>123756012
and it's 360 dust more than your average pack

>>123755360
i'm jealous.
I really want to try nozdormu in memedecks, but can't because using 1600 dust on it is a waste. I can only hope i will get it in a pack ;_;

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is there anysite where i can find dreamhacks decks i realy wanna try a midrange pally

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>decide to play some arena for the first time in a while
>1st game game crashes while i'm winning
>2nd game against a constructed-tier paladin with turn 1 chow into turn 2 argent protector into muster
>end up 1-3
i almost forgot why i stopped playing that shit mode a while back

druid is a shitty fucking class if you're not running angry trees, huh

>No class specific packs
JEWWWS

>>123756370
That's because besides the new LOE class card, Druid has no swingy RNG to win them the game with any of their class specific cards.

>>123756527
>even less people play shaman

>>123756558
nah, they just have 0 removal.

>>123752460
Ice block is 100% necessary for standard freeze mage.

Voljin is okay in control priest, not much else.

I think it's clear what to craft.

>>123752283
I don't know what he cut, it just struck me as a good idea. Coil sounds ok to cut because Reno beats agro without it. Then again I haven't ever played Reno and am only playing handlock to hit the 500, normally I play zoo.

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>>123755980

Hrgh!

can soneone post some decent warlock decks?

I kinda just fucked up and deranked from 6 to 13 and warlock is the class I have all cards for
PS: dont have malygos

>>123756905
>>123751396

>>123756938
yeah netdecks... shall I test all of them? Rather have someone who plays EU and not shitty NA tell me what to play

>>123756905
>what is hearthpwn
>tfw being a shitter that has to netdeck but too retarded to actually locate the netdecks

2behonest senpai family member

>>123756995
>sort by rating
>look at tournament decks
>???

>>123757050
>thinking other people cant read
>thinking people want to netdeck
I'd rather have something costume from here.. if /vg/ is only netdeck cancer well fuck it let the shield come then

>>123757065
>using tournament decks to ladder

Quality advice there, /hsg/.

>>123757216
If you get it from here then IT IS A NETDECK you fucking retard.

>>123757228
Hello Shieldbearer.

>>123757248
Hello fellow shieldbearer :^)

>>123757216
99% of /hsg/ is as much of a netdecking shitter as the rest of the hs community is, and the 1% that doesnt netdeck plays meme decks that are objectively inferior to netdecks.

If you want to rank, don't be a fucking idiot and just shamelessly netdeck. Ranked isn't a game of skill and creativity, it's a game of picking a deck with the most wins per time frame and mindlessly grinding that shit.

why every time i qeue freeze mage is it always fucking reno decks, every single time.

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What would you change?
I'm low in budget and I have sheckels for a wing. I already have first 2 of naxx and first of LoE.
I also have knife juggler, is it any good in here?

>>123757664
Getting dr boom is your first priority

How do i not get mad at hearthstone?

I can play any game and lose alot, aint making me mad.

But getting into a 5 loses failstreak in Hearthstone makes me boil with anger for some reason and literally ruins my day

>>123754845
quite fun playing reno decks in it. i just auto concede everytime i face a mage

>>123757764

Because you largely aren't involved and losing feels like you've been cheated and winning is empty.

>>123757368
well after that conclusiion i would have to play fucking cancer secret paladin or even better the new midrange... and unfort. I dont have shit for pala

>thrall uses his last hex
>next turn play tirion
out skilled

>>123757858
I like to make them happy

>>123757368

>and the 1% that doesnt netdeck plays meme decks that are objectively inferior to netdecks.

That isn't true at all, I don't netdeck but I run decks that are an awful lot like the netdecks out there. Except I built them myself through trial and learning.

Which is the entire point to play the game, to advance yourself.

I just don't see the point in having people do all the meaningful work for you, at that point what is the point of even playing at all.

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>try half a dozen decks fun control decks for about a week
>lurch around r14
>succumb to the kanker
>mid range hunter straight to r3 in a couple of hours

AMA

>>123758003
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win

>>123758047
does yourmidrange hunter include the hat?

>>123758047
Why didn't you stop at rank 5?

>>123758047
post deck

>>123758172

>implying I am not playing to win
>implying it isn't better to understand why not/why cards are in decks
>implying deckbuilding isn't the most important part of the game

>>123758265
You learn as you play the good decks without wasting your valuable time fucking around with dumb cards to find out what's good

>>123751951
it's worth it because literally like half the games are against handlocks and renolocks

>>123758314

>learn how to effectively and quickly build good decks by constantly doing it
>can adapt and change to suit ideas and meta

>suckle on the teat of netdecks all your life
>have to wait for someone else to do something around ideas you have/meta adjustments

>>123758420
>if you netdeck you can't learn what cards go together well and how to build decks
??

Do you think the tournament players don't start from netdecks? They all came up with control warrior on their own?

>>123758265
>implying deckbuilding isn't the most important part of the game

LOL

>>123758003
I was talking specifically about ranked.

But you didn't refute my point. Netdecks are netdecks because they are popularized by streamers or pro players that played and perfected those decks for maybe hundreds of hours, which are then copied and approved by others, who then upvote it on hearthpwn, post it on reddit, whatever the fuck.

I'm not against non-netdecks, I make my own (shitty) decks all the time, but you can't possibly claim that the average joe's shitty self-made meme deck is ever going to be superior to a proven, established netdeck.

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>>123758196
>>123758238
>>123758241

>>123758629

>I was talking specifically about ranked.

So was I, why would you need to do anything to play in casual?

>but you can't possibly claim that the average joe's shitty self-made meme deck is ever going to be superior to a proven, established netdeck.

Because most "self-made" decks aren't meme decks? It's easy to come to extremely similar conclusions with only a little play and it feels good to tweak and prefect the deck yourself instead of just being handed some answer. You think someone can't make midrange paladin or combo druid by themselves?

>>123758694
No need for flare, unless you run into a lot of freeze mage, in which case kezan mystic is better anyway.

Also, aren't tomb spiders too slow for an aggressive midrange deck?

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>play against control warrior with mill rogue
>made him draw his deck
>on the start of his next turn his fatigue starts
>he is at 30 life and 15 armor
>Brann
>Coldlight
>Coldlight

>>123758694
>>123758796
Tomb is good. Kick the Flare and one Bear though

>>123758796
>80% of the matchup is secret pally and mirror matches
>no need for flare

alright nigga

>>123758238
Why would h? He can get legend in a day now.

>>123758772
I don't understand what you're whining about? People who don't netdeck and make their own decks are just wasting time. People who netdeck and carefully think about each card and tweak the deck to make it as good as possible are playing optimally, are good at the game, and will be in tournaments. People who netdeck and don't even think about the cards aren't good at the game but just enjoy playing it casually.

>>123758772
Sure, anyone can try their own hand at making some midrange paladin from scratch, tweaking it over the course of numerous games until you essentially end up with one or two card differences with the well established midrange paladin netdecks on hearthpwn or something. But why go through all that trouble if you could, you know, just copy the bloody netdeck and skip the whole tweaking-and-perfecting-it-yourself stage?

Unless, of course, you really enjoy that part. But if you're played ranked for the sole purpose of getting to legend, then you're only shooting yourself in the foot by not netdecking.

>>123758893
Hunter generally shits all over paladin without the need to tech in anti-secret stuff already. Also, flare is horrible tempo. Good luck wasting your turn 2 flaring that explosive trap while your opponent gets in for at least 4 damage with his leper gnomes. It's shit tempo.

>>123758985

>People who don't netdeck and make their own decks are just wasting time

But that isn't true, there is gratification that comes from learning, advancing and succeeding. Which is the entire point of playing video games. Having answers handed to you is no way to do anything.

>>123759030

>But why go through all that trouble if you could, you know, just copy the bloody netdeck and skip the whole tweaking-and-perfecting-it-yourself stage?

see above

What are the chances to never unbox a single azure drake in 100 packs?
100% if I unpack gvg packs
I am so fucking retarded

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THIS HOLIDAY SEASON
ONE MAN THOUGH HE HAD IT ALL
UNTIL ONE DAY
INTO THE TOWN RODE A MYSTERIOUS CHALLENGER
TOM SELLECK IS "CONTROL PALADIN" IN THE MOST EXPLOSIVE META THIS WINTER

A BEN BRODE FILM FEATURING SUCH STARS AS
GIRL FUCKING RAPTOR AS MIDRANGE ROGUE
AGGRO SHITTER AS HUNTER
AND CHARLIZE THERON AS SECRET KEEPER
AND asshole with the fon sr inn sr bm bm bm AS THE DRUID

>>123759129
amerifat detected

>>123759091
>there is gratification that comes from learning, advancing and succeeding.
Kek actually read this please >>123758172

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I´ve seen and read posts about pack opening and apparently the most common legendaries that people initially find are The Beast and Nozdormu.

Is the game slightly rigged? Do you think some crappy cards have a higher chance to appear than others?

i just got kezaned by a face hunter. ?????????????????????

>>123758985

Someone has to come up with new decks, you know? They don't just appear out of thin air. New decks do keep sprouting up from time to time, there's no reason someone here couldn't come up with one of them.

It's only wasting time if you don't enjoy it.

>>123759091
Well yeah, in that case, it's like I said. You're the kind of person that doesn't solely want to gain ranks, but to build his own decks in the process. You will be laddering more slowly than those of equal skill who netdeck, but you don't care, so it's cool.

>>123758265
I've played plenty of TCGs and I can confidently say the quickest way to get good in any card game is to netdeck.

When you netdeck you are often playing a tier 1 deck which removes the 'deck' part of the game and lets you focus on making the best plays possible. When you lose you know it's because of either your plays or maybe luck but not your deck. Playing a tier 1 deck lets you quickly learn all the powerful stuff in the game, how to stop them, ect and this is how you build up your deck building skills when you play lower tier decks you know what kind of stuff the deck is missing.

Going straight into a new card game with no knowledge at all and dicking around with a bunch of random cards does not make you good.

>>123759239
I don't enjoy it. But you're the one whining about how people enjoy different things and want to play the game differently.

>>123759236
if it is completely random, these things can happen without it being rigged

>>123759236
>>123759313
I will confirm the only legendary I've pulled is The Beast.

>>123759129
>100 GvG packs
Why do you do this to yourself?

>>123759236
hey, i got noz as my first too. regret dusting him desu

Avenging wrath
>6 mana
>8 damage
>0,75 dmg per 1 mana

Arcane missles
>1mana
>3dmg
>3 damage per 1 mana

FFS, get your shit together blizzard

>>123759248

>You will be laddering more slowly than those of equal skill who netdeck

Only for a time, eventually building becomes natural. Which is the point, once you get good there is no need for netdecks anymore because building is easy and tweaking to optimal is quick.

Sure I may have been behind the curve a year ago, but not anymore.

>>123759412
how can you possibly regret dusting something so shit it's not seeing play even in rank 20?

>>123759437
The only difference between you and someone else is you spent a year losing to learn the game while someone else learned the game while winning.

>>123759468
i want to try the joust cheat that makes your opponent skip their turns.

>>123759505
it's not working since forever family

Is their a legendary that can fit in almost all shieldbearer decks ?
I don't want to craft Dr.Boom since people say it will be nerfed.
May be Ragnaros... but it caused so much butthurt to my opponent I don't want to experience bleeding anus because of bad RNG...

>>123759238
Its actually decent tech especially in mirror matches, and having one 4 drop doesn't ruin the face curve

>>123759498

Yeah, making slightly inefficient decks for a few months while I learned the ropes meant I spent a year "losing".

Also there is more gratification to be had to succeed and learn than there is in straight winning with someone elses answer.

But it really takes a whole lot less time and the decks are a whole lot less bad than you seem to think.

>>123759598
Dr. Boom

>>123759598
Just craft boom
If he gets nerfed you can get a full dust refund and craft whatever the new big Lego is.

>>123759435
are you retarded

>>123759598
>pay 1600 for top tier lego for every deck out there
>It gets nerf hammered and you get your 1600 back
huh?

>>123759604
>Also there is more gratification to be had to succeed and learn than there is in straight winning with someone elses answer.
Not really, it's just kind of silly. "Standing on the shoulders of Giants," and all that.

>>123759598
>I don't want to craft Dr.Boom since people say it will be nerfed.


People have been saying that since he was released. How long ago was that again?

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Help. I have boulderfist, flamestrike, maly and frost giant.

>>123759505
>>123759535
>you didnt have a nozdormu to meme all over your opponent when the bug was still there
>you didnt have a leeroy to play miracle rogue and shit all over everyone before the nerfs
>you didnt have a tony to play freeze before the nerfs
>you didnt have molten giants to play giant charge warrior before the nerf

Always one patch behind the meta. Feels sad, man.

>>123759598
Boom won't be nerfed. Even if he is, you will get a full dust refund.

Craft him. It's literally the only card in the game you can plonk in any deck and have him do well. Hell, even in freeze mage he is decent, just not optimal as he doesnt fit in the game plan.

>>123759535
reddit says it's still bugged tho, senpai

>>123759671
>>123759664
>>123759610
Okay then, Dr.Boom. Thanks.

>>123759723
Easiest fallen hero I've seen.

>>123759723

Either Fallen Hero or Esportal. I am leaning on the hero.

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>>123759723
get a load of this guy

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>>123759138
What an well-made image! I'm dead impressed.

If you play fatigue warrior I sincerely hope you die in a fire.

>>123757664
You should get dr boom. Also, put knife juggler it's a staple in mid pally.

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Fuck it. I'm suck of tryharding on the ladder. I'm just gonna Mill Rogue it for the next few days. How's my list?

>>123759980
What's the matter, don't like 20 minute games? :^ )

WHO wants to add me to talk about hearthstone? I'm rank 10

>malorne
>mistcaller
>anubarak

all those cards that would be awesome if they weren't in their specific classes.

>>123759236
its been confirmed that you get a higher chance of getting legendaries if you open lots of packs in a row rather than 1 pack every so often

>>123759257
I agree with you, its good to decknet if you want to become adept to a game quickly. Yet, there is something in building your own deck from scratch without much knowledge of the meta and slowly making it better, getting better ranks, fine tuning, trying some crazy ideas and generaly having fun that just netdecking skips over. A game is about fun, not everybody has fun the same way. Of course you want to win, but different people have different winning conditions that make they playtrough fun.

>>123759236
My very first legendaries were Ragnaros followed by Van Cleef followed by Talos. And this is pretty cool.

>>123760024
Never really liked bloodmage in mill. I'd probably swap it for a young brewmaster. Also, for consistency, I'd swap azure drake for sprint. Drawing 3 more cards for 1 less mana with prep+sprint to get closer to those coldlights is too good not to do.

When will overload be removed from the game?

>>123759950
not mine, from reddit

>>123760102
You sound like the yugioh guys who try to justify their gusto decks

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I'd say this was a fairly successful arena draft

>>123760151

Thalnos is cheap spell damage for fan, flurry and evis and a good evis combo activator and cycle.

Also sprint is only good in games were you've had terrible draw, it's dead in every other game you don't need a pure draw card. Plus you want to save prep for vanishes or gangups more than you want to use it on a sprint.

You don't need brews because you have shadowsteps which are better brews.

Tomb Pillager is going to be a great rogue card, just you wait.

Not even trolling

>>123760296
.. Ok? Everyone knows that.

>>123760296
5/4 without immediate impact sure is great

>>123760230
I don't know what is a gusto deck. The only thing i try to point is that different people have different ways to have fun. Some people like to play games with a walktrough by their side and some others like to go blind.

if only you could run like 4 lavashocks so overload wasn't such a crippling 'feature'

>>123760398
It's trash

>but at least im building my own deck unlike you no skill netdeckers

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Anyone else still trying to reach legend? The grind is so annoying...

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divine spirit inner fire is acceptable with djinni now right

>>123760437
naw, i got to rank 5 then immediately sank back to rank 8 with meme decks.

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>>123760437
Why tho? no value whatsoever. Rank 5 is all you need family

If you have 5 legenderies in your deck and you are still at rank 13 literally kill yourself

>>123760296
Why would you run it over shredder? Is getting a coin really worth more than getting a random 2-drop? My first prognosis is, no.

>massan has submode
>chat is literally frozen still

MrDestructoid

>>123760102
you can still have fun building your own decks after you get good at a game. its arguably more fun when you actually know what you're doing and know specifically what the deck needs to improve

>>123760497
Rank 5 reporting in

>>123760070
Eh, almost all of my Legos have been from single pack openings
>tbk
>tyrion
>cenarius
>golden tbk > thalnos
>Edwin
>gallywix
>deathwing
>beast
>iron jug
>what's his name kill a beast instadust guy.
>mistcaller
>dreadscale
>third tbk
I know I'm forgetting a few that I've dusted too.
Only reason I haven't dusted the other instadust ones I have like beast, golden mistcaller, probably normal mistcaller, Wilfred fizzlememe is because I'm waiting for LoE to finish.

>>123760426
I'm not trying to point that one way is better than the other. I don't think there's a correct awnser to this kind of dillema, just whatever lets you have more fun.

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JUST GIMME A DECK THAT WILL CARRY ME TO LEGEND. FUCK.

IM TIRED OF YO-YO'ING FROM 5-2 AND BACK

>>123760579
You started the conversation by saying people who netdeck are chumps playing the game wrong

>>123760552
The problem here is that the "more fun" part is highly subjective. Some people just don't care about the deckbuilding and what right do we have to force them to play as we do
>>123760613
I'm not that anon.

stop arguing turboshitters

>>123760601
just use secret/midrange paladin. that's undisputably the most op deck right now.

okay sorry

>>123753191
rogues can do 24 damage without the need of a board. it just requires more time and cards.
then again warrior can also do 20 damage with the right cards (windfury harpy, charge, double inner rage)

the concept of burst is nothing new in hs, its just druid only needs 2 cards vs everyone else needing 3+

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>>123754845
Its fucking amazing
Post yer decks

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>play a game
>secrets paladin
>Secrets paladin
>secrets paladin


This happens every fucking time, blizz releases broken ass shit and most games end up being just outright frustrating to play against, every single fucking expansion.

I'm just done with this game I can't keep giving it chances

>>123760982

Mill rogue does high burst constantly.

3 coldlights when your opponent is out of cards is 28 damage minimum from an empty board
Brann and two coldlights is a minimum 45 burst.

>secret shitter has lethal
>starts dicking around
>he fucks up and loses

W E L L
E
L
L

M E T
E
T

>>123760982
>the concept of burst is nothing new in hs, its just druid only needs 2 cards vs everyone else needing 3+

Not only that, but druid's combo burst scales up with his board, whereas other combos do not. Leeroy, Grommash, Spells, shit like the charged windfury harpy you mentioned: they all do the same damage regardless of the board.

>>123761139
The difference being that druid combos you at turn 5 at the earliest, while mill rogue combos you at like what, turn 20 at the earliest.

>>123759435
and backstab is a 0 cost 2 damage

literal infinite value

>>123754121
Oh hes 12

Rank 12

It's still beyond me while druid has got zero fucking nerfs despite being a top class every single meta since the dawn of the game.


I guess that just shows you the favoritism on ben brode and the kind of people and their professionalism that manages this game

I'd love to say just give force of nature the icehowl treatment and druid is fixed but it's moved past that point.
Blizzard singlehandedly ruined one of the few classes I enjoyed by turning druid into aggro cancer. I also mostly played the no combo ramp variation before too.

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>ice block into ice block into Reno into echo of medivh

>>123761407

>rank 10 bm shitkid

How can every fucking paladin get perfect curve?

I don't remember the last time I met a paladin that couldn't knife juggler turn 2 and muster turn 3

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>1 hp
>field full of monsters
>enemy top decks avenging wrath
>all of them miss
>one hits a boom bot and kills them

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Nothing feels better than winning a constant back and forth, 20+ minute fatigue game. Pure satisfaction.

>>123761407
Wow, man nice skill and taunt. You sure told that warlock

>>123761460
Paladins run a lot of 2 cost the math is in their favor

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>>123761436
I like to play fundecks

>>123761139
>consistantly
not really when its only effcient mill are the coldlights.
>>123761203
This, however the problem isnt savage roar but force of nature. If shaman had a force of nature, that + Bloodlust would be equally as bad.

just make them 1/3 instead of 2/2. turns a 14 damage combo into an 11, which is reasonable, considering that aligns with other classes burst for two cards.

>>123761503
Hitting rank 5 from rank 7 with a half dozen short games feels better

I'd rather not get trapped into a 30 minute game with a fatigue deck

can I get to legend with facehunter and 1 flare or am I fucked?

>>123761407
>he still wins

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>tfw mill rogued a secretdin

Name one thing more satisfying.

>>123761613

>it feels good to gamble on mulligans

???

>freeze mage
>froze my board and threw a Frost Bolt at my face. "THE END IS COMING"
>"I CAN WAIT NO LONGER" + Inner Rage and killed the sayer
>froze my board again and threw an Ice Lance in my face. "THE END IS COMING"
>equipped another Death's Bite, allowing the former one to set up a Whirlwind. Executed the Sayer
>he conceded

Is there any based class than warrior? Garrosh sucks as a character, though

>>123761613

I don't want to play lots of fatigue games, but it's not like you are going to concede once you are in the game.

So instead you are already in this 20+ minute game and its coming to a close, you are either vying for value or trying to find a kill. Because the game has been going on so long, you'll be really pissed if you lose.

Then the cards fall together and you finally pull out the win, it just feels so good. Winning a game on turn 5-6 doesn't give you that same feeling at all.

>>123761731

>Name one thing more satisfying.

Reno'ing hunters after they throw everything at face and is out of cards is pretty fucking satisfying.

>>123761797
>vying for value or trying to find a kill
Not really I'm just playing whatever I topdeck and waiting for Dr. Boom and Tirion

>>123761785
I KNEW IT

>>123761785

Unbalanced removal sure is skillful m8

>>123761725
You only need flare if you're seeing lots of midrange hunters or freezemages. In either case teching a kezan might be better. Face is already good against aggro secret as long as you don't play like shit and midrange secret already beats you in ways that flare won't really help.

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>>123761785
Garrosh did nothing wrong
Thrall is a self righteous nigger

>>123761873

Sounds like you are a victim of being outskilled.

>Costs $80 to update the maps on my Navman.
fuck no

Google does that shit for free.

>>123761785
Name one better writren Horde character than Garrosh. You can't
>>123761929
Why would they throw tomatoes at him? Does he fall from stairs in excitement?

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>>123761929

>Garrosh apologists

back to /pol/ with you

>>123761503
Eh, warrior is at a disadvantage against handlock/renolock, so no surprise here. Once Jaraxxus comes down it tends to be game over for warrior.
Nice rank though. I'm hovering around legend one billion right now

>>123761981

At least I don't brag about beating Freeze Mage with Warrior, a retarded toddler could win that matchup.

>>123762031
>Thrall duels Garrosh
>Garrosh verbally wrecks him
>LEL NO ELEMENTS WILL DESTROY YOUUUU

>>123762101

>b-but he was the moral winner!

Yeah I'm sure "wrecking verbally" worked out well as the elements actually fucking destroyed him and his Nazi ass :^)

>>123761873
>>123762096

Eh, at least I don't bring solitaire to an interactive game.

Even if he managed to kill the board with the second one, I still have a patron ready for another board, complete with 2 Armorsmith.

>>123762096
Haha, this. There are literally three moves one must make to win that matchup.

>every turn, armor up
>make sure to shieldslam/bgh/execute tony and alex

Congratulations, that's all it takes to win the freeze mage matchup. There's literally not an easier matchup in the game. You could make a rogue deck with only the shittiest, most expensive creatures in the game and match her against secret paladin, and the rogue would still have a higher chance to win than the freeze mage has against the control warrior.

>>123762193

>Even if he managed to kill the board with the second one, I still have a patron ready for another board, complete with 2 Armorsmith.

You're only proving my point, you won an IMMENSELY one-sided matchup and proceded to post about it here like it was some great achievement.

>>123761731
Consistently winning games as midrange shaman

Got to rank 5 for the first time today with it

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>>123762169
>b-but he was the moral winner!
He was winning until Thrall pulled out magic out of his ass when he got called out for leaving Horde leadership to a simpleton
If Garrosh ended up as a field commander of sorts (like in Icecrown), nothing bad would happen

>>123762328
Post deck I'm curious

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Who do I pick

>>123762309

Look, it's not my fault if someone brings a deck consists of probably 5-6 minions and then die because they cannot solitaire properly.

>>123753784
>freeze mage (automatically loses to warrior).
i hate it when people make blanket statements like this. you are objectively wrong. any deck can beat any other deck with the right RNG

>>123762373

So Garrosh's argument was that everything was Thrall's fault for entrusting the horde to him?

You're telling me that his moral victory was "well yeah but you had to know I was a giant retard"?

Congratulations I guess.

>>123762383
drood

>>123762465

Confirmed for never having played freeze vs warrior

You would be lucky to do better than 1 game in 10, if that.

>>123762470
>everything was Thrall's fault for entrusting the horde to him
Yes, seeing Garrosh himself said he wont be able to handle it when Thrall decided to leave.

>>123762383
Druid or shaman
Priest can be amazing but only if you know how to priest

>>123762470
>Thrall did bugger all to prepare Garrosh for the burdens of leadership
>never actually offers any advice when Garrosh is warchief
>has the cheek to call him out for not doing great as warchief

Nah, fuck Thrall and his dumb ass.

>lore shitters for a dead game with terrible constantly rewritten "lore"

>>123762465
Please don't talk about things you have no idea about

Freeze mage auto loses to any warrior to the point where a lot of freeze players concede when they see a warrior on the ladder. That matchup is about 99% in warriors favour

>>123762628
>>123762671

>Garrosh is a retard
>Garrosh himself knows this and yet makes no effort to not be a retard, in fact he goes full Hitler
>therefore everything bad that Garrosh did is Thrall's fault

I can't see any cracks in this flawless argument.

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>>123762697
>mfw i c MoP fags

>>123762832

>55 KB, 555x555

Hmm, well played.

>>123762750
Nobody's saying Garrosh is innocent

but if you live in a million dollar house and leave your front door open for a night, you can be damn sure I'll call you a retard and partly responsible when you get robbed

>>123762832
>Deck that gets any value out of this card
>Making it to turn 6

>>123762750
>Garrosh is a poor diplomat
>Garrosh himself told this to Thrall yet he is pushed into being a Warchief
>in Cata he was brutal but honorable
>in Pandaria writers rewrote the character into horde Hitler
>in Warlords they killed only potentially new memorable character since wc3 because green jesus cant do anything wrong

>>123762886
>>123762931
he was trying to get you fucking idiots

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>play against some tempo mage who won 100% thanks to esportal bullshit
>get matched with him again, this time crush him because we were on equal footing

It's a good feeling to show them who's boss

>>123760492
wtf is with ghoul and especially weblord? you should drop those for more draw like loot hoarder, put in a 2nd inner fire because wtf is wrong with you not running 2 in a wombo combo deck, and then take out bolf because he's shit and put in actually useful leggos like emperor and boom

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>>123762378
Pretty standard overload-oriented midrange deck with a couple tweaks

-no Bloodlust- you could probably do well with 1 but I took mine out a few days ago and haven't missed it much
-only 1 totemic- it feels less valuable without bloodlust so 2 seemed unnecessary. it also frees up space in the 3-mana slot for unbound elemental
+neptulon- awesome in long games when you need to catch up a bit, this card alone has won me several matches in the past couple days
+stormforged axe- not sure why this isn't played more, it really helps you keep the opponents board under control early on
+arcane nullifier X-21 and sludge belcher- because of all the overload cards I found that having some solid 4-5 mana minions that wouldn't keep you from playing fire elemental on turn 6 was important

The vines are a cool and shining grey; each grape is a faceted fragment of flint. The gravel of the paths crunches beneath your feet. The breeze smells of stone and quiet must. The Mountain seems much closer here.

The first Vigneron walks companionably beside you, wool-wrapped hand on your shoulder ; his grape-mask tilted towards you. Each time you stray towards the edge of the path, or towards the vines, he squeezes your shoulder in warning. Other Vignerons attach themselves to your companions. Their gait and manner is human, but their wrappings conceal everything. Not an inch of skin is visible.

>>123762968

It's not like Thrall had any other choice for Warchief, the orcs wouldn't have accepted anyone but the son of the great hero Hellscream and he wasn't about to trust a crazy voodoo witch doctor or an even crazier dead woman.

However I'm no lore expert so if you say that writers ruined Garrosh's character I'm gonna have to trust you.

>>123763041
>Rng is bad
>except when it helps me
Seems about right

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>>123754845
>>123761075

idk i just threw together a low curving zoo deck and beat a rogue. one and done, thank god i don't have to play this shit format anymore.

>>123763213
Thrall could well you know, stayed.
You simply appoint council in your stead for a while and go to Outland Mecca to learn elemental stuff.

>>123763112
Shaman meta needs to play catchup a bit. Before the trogg stormforged was too slow and slowed the next turn too much. Now shaman can get great tempo early and force removal.

>>123763363
>Thrall could well you know, stayed.

I was under the impression he needed to stop the whole world from coming undone or some shit. Sounds more important than sitting on his ass in Orgrimmar all day long.

>>123763240
Well, he won with rng bullshit normally not possible without esportal,

I won with the actual cards I put in my deck

>>123763371
Yeah fair point

Trogg into Axe is just so nice now though, really sets the tone against any low-midrange decks. I would definitely recommend trying it out if you're using troggs.

>tfw out-smorcing a hunter

>>123763213
>It's not like Thrall had any other choice for Warchief

Ignoring the fact that a warchief had not need be an orc at all, he still could've chosen Saurfang or any other well known orc. Or, at the very fucking least prepare Garrosh.

>>123763413
Then you save the world and come back to your place in the Horde.
Instead he did jack shit in Pandaria until Garrosh went full nazi
Its not like anybody will call him a dick afterwards.

Is keeper of uldaman really good in midrange paladin?

>>123763683
Better with secret paladin since midrange uses peacekeepers

>>123763683
Yeah, its either big guy removal or small guy buffer.

>>123760202
Oh, in that case it's shit.

>>123763765
wow how mature

>>123763683
Yep, that card is nuts. Got legend with a pally deck that had 2 of them yesterday. On curve you can usually buff a 1/1, or reduce anything your opponent throws at you no problem. It replaces BGH in pally now IMO

I saw someone on reddit suggest this, thought it was interesting

change the overload mechanic so that overloaded crystals can only be used for your hero power

so if you have 4 crystals (2 overload) you can hero power+use a 2 mana card

thoughts? I don't think it would be too OP but I'm biased

>>123760492
Still stuck at rank 3

>>123763994
Fund it.

>>123763994
That actually sounds nice, and doesn't fuck your turn too much.

>>123763994

Better yet, remove overload altogether. It's a shit mechanic that's holding back an entire class.

>>123764146
You'd have to change every single shaman card to account for that though

>>123760070

Sometimes I buy 60 packs and there were occasions that I got 4 to 5 legendaries from 60 packs and times that I literally got a single legendary. I'd say it is still random.

>tfw lost to hat hunter as fatigue warrior

jesus christ that deck is actually retarded, gonna have to actually tech in a silence

>>123764146
I feel you there but they would have to completely rework so many cards, they might just fuck it up even more

Explain the overload theme to me. How does it fit the WoW shaman? I thought his thing were totems.

>>123764191
with how hard the game is powercreeping most overload cards don't even need a drawback any more

>>123764191

Not really. Most overload cards are fine even without it, what with the powercreep and all.

You'd only need to change the board clears.

>>123764146
More like shit cards. Overload would be fine except that shaman has been getting the short end of card quality for some time with next to nothing that plays off overload. Tunnel trogg is just one badly needed piece that makes overload a working mechanic and not just a detriment.

>>123764252
it doesn't really relate to WoW that much

it's just supposed to fit the general theme of big burst that elemental/enhancement shamans have historically had, overload is just a way to justify having otherwise "OP" cards

>>123764252
It's only similar in name to what shamans in WoW have. In WoW, overloading causes a spell to be cast twice.

>>123764387
That's funny because shaman's biggest burst potential comes from cards without overload. Rockbiter, Flametongue, Windfury, Bloodlust, Al'Akir.

>>123764401
And after? Does the spell become locked or what?

>>123764629
No

Its just an rng mechanic that sometimes gives you crazy burst potential when a big spell gets overloaded

>>123764629
No, it's a mastery effect that has a chance to happen on all casts and has no drawback.

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>>123759768
let me balance the shaman hero power...

choosing your totems seems OP

but let's change the

rockbiter 1/1 to a 1/2
healing can be 0/2 but heal face +1
taunt from 0/2 to 0/3
spell one can be very good in some situations so same

>>123764387
I can second this.
Biggest Shaman gimmick was either weapon buffs or totems. Also duelwield
Thats about it

>>123764724
>image
/r9k/ pls go

>>123764701
But hold on, this sounds fucking perfect for Hearthstone!

>Overload: Random chance for effect to trigger twice.

It's like Brode's wet dream.

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>>123764387
Overlard is not a bad concept
The problem with Overlard that to keep it relevant, you would have to change the overloard costs every expansion because the cost is 100% related to current tempo of other cards
Feral Spirit was worth the 2 overload before 3/4 became normal for 3 drops

>>123764724
Healing totem used to heal face too, but was nerfed because it was too strong in classic hearthstone.

Then blizzard added vitality totem to help fix shaman's lack of self heal instead of just reverting the nerf.

>>123764884
I'm so sorry, friend.

>>123764917

Added cards to fill out packs and to make opening good cards harder instead of fixing old cards is literally blizzards thing.

>>123764917
well that explains it blizzard is too proud
feral spirit doesn't even feel that strong and the overload on that card, and just in general is...quite brutal... -_-