/dyg/ - Duelyst General

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>the only cards i have for abyssian are for a creep deck
>need to level abyssian to get shadow nova
>trying to play this shit at rank 5

This is some kind of existential hell

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is sword of the Akrane a qtpi?

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So after not having played in several days since starting due to silly reasons like depression I'm finally cracking down and constructing a deck, disenchanting cards and such. I have a Black Locust and a Paddo that I want to dust for some Magmar essentials like Elucidators (which I need two of currently), are either of those cards worth holding onto at all or can I just go ham?

>>123143730
Want to talk about it?

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>>123143765
No, I want to tear people apart with my wolverine claws and lizard penis.

>>123143730
I wouldn't dust cards unless you're VERY committed to a particular faction.

>>123143730
Nah, you don't need to dust it that badly. Just play dailies and grind those orbs.

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>>123143730
Elucidator is only essential if youre going wombo combo OTK with fractal

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>>123143730
both of those legos are considered pretty mediocre. i'm not the most knowledgeable player, but i think you can safely scrap those two

also, refer to http://forums.duelyst.com/t/legendaries-epics-disenchanting-guide-by-ryan-peppr/21322 if you'd like. it also suggests dusting those two.

i have paddo myself, and i had to take him out because he was doing more harm than good. that ability is hella rng

i still kept him because i keep all my shit because i'm a gigantic autist, but you should be safe to kill them

just don't kill yourself. you're worth more than 350 to me!

>>123143954
>>123144132
>>123144395
>>123144605
Thank you

>>123144809
I would really aim to get your makantors, theyre a better holy immolation and people bitch endlessly about holy immo

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>>123144809
I was just going for an aggro shell for now. I kind of want to do a bit of quick climbing anyway just to see how far I can go. I settled on Magmar because they are the most mechanically similar to things like Jund, Junk, Shaman, and other midrangey playstyles.

>>123145280
Meant for >>123144995

is this game better than hearthstone? i dont wanna play hearthstone.

>>123145280
>>123145490
I mean, it kinda feels like wasting magmars potential to go midrange over control but its not like you have elders/metamorphasis

>>123145815
Its like hearthstone meets poxnora if you know what that is, if you dont then fire emblem is close enough.

>>123145815
It's a cross between Fire Emblem and Hearthstone, with not so much a focus on RNG like HS does.

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>aymara healer's face when

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>>123145891
True, but I can work my way towards that in time. I literally just now unlocked Mana Burn though, I'm undefeated so far, I like nuking enemy generals with double Wolverine claws.
>Jax Truesight
>Dude jacks it up with Greater Fortitude
Thank you Crossbones.

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>>123146542
>Vanar has a raw bounce
I thought you assholes said Magmar has all the removal.

>>123146695
That is vanars only removal card

magmar has nat selection, egg morpg, metamorphasis and plasma storm

>>123146695
Vanar's removal is arguably better

Vanar control vs Magmar control is actually a good matchup for Vanar

Why dont people play their silithar elders away from the fight? They always play them on the frontline so the general and his minions can kill the egg and him.

If they dont have exact removal for his egg, him, and the egg he drops on the turn hes played you have an unstoppable engine of death

>>123146792
Can you show me how a Vanar control deck looks like?

>>123146915
Because the elder is a huge body?

>>123146960
So what if its a huge body, it requires an insane amount of on hand removal if you dont it where things hit it.

Off the top of my head it dark transformation and breath of the unborn, sunbloom and martyr and meta/plasma storm and all of those are insane combo's that requires both luck and their entire turn. With the exception of lyonar but that heals you for 8 so you know

>>123147242
sometimes you just need to put something between you and the enemy. Ideally, you should be putting it away from the front lines in order to maximize the chance of a reproduction. But sometimes it can buy you a turn to draw another removal spell or force your opponent to trade a creature or something to remove it.

Your favorite faction is shit

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>>123148467
If you say so, chief.

>>123148527
Fuck off Lex your warsuit looks stupid

how fast can you concede to get credit for leveling

>playing against vet
>have to split up for blast
>splitting up means taking a full SF
>if there are portal guardians they're easy 5/9s
>if they have TW it's 15+ damage

Solid cancer

>>123148705
"Strategy" is the word you're looking for

>>123148705
>have to split up for blast
>if there are portal guardians they're easy 5/9s

you're not very good at this game, are you

maybe you should just play burn songhai, sounds like your speed

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>>123148705
Im gonna give you a protip here

Fuck blast. Not every vetruvian runs it and the ones that do requires you to have another artifact in addition because 2 damage aint shit.

The same goes for the 2-1 blast. If you cant clear it in 1-2 turns then you just wait for him to inevitably buff it so when you do draw silence/removal youll actually be getting value

I have never lost a game to blast but ive lost plenty to stars fury

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>vetruvian keeps using stars fury to clear minions
>he suddenly has no win condition

Portal guardians need a fucking nerf though. A "remove this card or lose the game" as a 3 drop is obscene

>beating a vetkek in diamond with the abyssian starter deck
L M A O

>>123149064
if you just flat out nerfed them right now, i think you'd end up making them useless

they're already super weak to dispel, leaving them a 0 attack punching bag, and even then they tend to start out weak unless you can pump out a lot of minions in a short period of time, making them pretty useless unless you already have decent control of things

i do think they could use some kind of change, i just don't know what would work

>>123149401
I've always asked myself why the hell it has 9 hp, it feels so arbitrarily high.

Even if it gets dispelled it's a 9 health body that helps you to disrupt the enemy formation and is healthy enough to last till late game so it gets third wish'd

Why is Holy Immolation allowed?

>>123149401
>super weak to dispel
>in the faction with third wish and free +1/+1

Not even. They need to be 6 health so you can actually kill them with your early game minions and they actually need to be be babysat a bit before they murder your face.

Vetruvian has no weaknesses and dominate every tournament despite every deck being built to counter them.

>>123149592
fair enough, i didn't really consider the hp as being an issue. you could definitely drop a few points there and they'd still be viable i think

>>123149826
why is vetruvian allowed

>>123150303
Because they don't have Holy Immolation

s-should i make a vetruvian deck? I have stars fury and ayylmao healer...

Why does Maw have a cute female voice

>>123150846
do you have a cute female voice :3

You know what Vetruvian needs? A Celerity Artifact. Everyone already has at least two thematic artifacts and they're completely better than Vet's. Vet needs more love.

>>123150719
if you want to

a single stars fury and aymara healer doesn't make a deck, but it's a start

vetruvian isn't very good out of the box and requires some synergy to get itself going, so don't expect ez wins if it's a budget deck

>>123151150
that doesn't even make sense, shitpost-kun

>>123151150
>celerity
>blast
>hexblade
......yeah naw

>>123151323
Maybe flying then? He has that spell that gives flying and health.

>>123151470
oh shit you were serious?

i mean they already have hexblade for a gimmicky artifact. also that spell is pretty bad so nobody really uses it

besides, i think something that either spawns or buffs dervishes would be a little more thematic. dervish decks in general need something more going for them. maybe an artifact that gives them +1 movement square, or makes obelysks immune to spells, i don't know

>>123151429
>>123151713
Maybe a Rush Artifact then that acts like Vindicators ability.

>>123151850
Sounds more Magmar or songhai than vetruvian

Are there no more win streaks in S rank?

>>123155979
I meant, to get from diamond to S

>>123155979
There are none

You actually need a winrate over 50% to progress now

Are there any good Abyssian decks that can get to rank 5 that isn't mech?

Just started today, got a Coldbiter.
Seems kinda iffy, should I dust it?

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I changed it a bit and I think that I have only one or two things to look at and that's it. Any suggestions for improvement?

I'm going to bed and will check back sometime tomorrow

>>123158854
Make the tits sag a bit.

>>123158681
safe dust, its not even bad enough to warrant a change like spelljammer

>>123148705

My least favorite faction to play against. Vet fanboys call it strategy but it's about as strategic as avoiding a guy with a knife by hiding behind the guy with a gun.

>>123158681
It's not terrible but it's not good either

That slot could go to something else

>>123158681

It's mid tier vanar card. If you have something you're looking to craft it's a safe dust.

>>123159727
Otherway around m8

>>123159886

I was just trying to say you avoid one thing by walking right into something worse, but yeah it does make sense with the whole blast thing. Point is you can't reliably play around Vet if they run both Starfury combo and blast.

>>123159939
why? why can't you?

people keep saying this, but just where the fuck is the blast coming from?

it either has to be a 1 hp pyromancer which is easily dealt with, a scarab which is worth removal/dispel, neither of which can attack on the turn they're dropped in anyway, or from their general, which, unless they couple it with another artifact, is only doing 2 damage

the only way you're going to get hit for huge blast damage out of nowhere is if they've got an ankh + staff + silhouette tracer all in their hand at once, and it's late enough in the game they can play all that for the 9 mana

there's absolutely no reason you need to be spreading your units out to avoid blast at all times

complain about fucking scion's third wish, sure, please do, that shit's retarded. but fucking BLAST? jesus christ

>>123160713
A lot of people do have the scarab (he's not bad) or Aymara, or the artifact combo, also advancing in line is total dogshit.

Also
>You need tracer for teh combo !11
No, you don't.

>>123143372
Ya know, I'd actually buy this if it weren't a fucking microtransaction game. So it could forego the whole 'grind these shitty objectives to get credits' thing and go on an achievement reward thing.

>>123160909
>teh combo !11
fuck off

the idea is to keep close enough to vet that he can't safely pull out the ankh. keep your general above or below him and have your minions fan out to either side so he can't just walk around them

vet doesn't have any high threat close range minions outside of aymara, and that's pretty expensive at a 6 drop and just asking to be dispelled

>>123160971
But it would take less time to do everything, and people would stop playing quickly.

>>123160971
>>123161516
there'd also be a lot less people playing

people are much less inclined to buy a game that might be okay, than try a free game and possibly spend money on it later

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>dropping several ranks in one day

>>123146761
and mana burn lol

>>123163965
thats not removal, thats silence

>>123164126
>implying it doesn't remove 2 hp minions

>>123165186
if that counts as removal then vanar has 3 hp removal

>>123165186
Your fucking general removes 2hp minions you ninny

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wat

If a Songhai has multiple Masks of Shadows, how does the Backstab stack?

>>123169081
meme

How meme would a dedicated golem deck be

And what would be the memest faction to pull it off

>>123170651
Fagmar probably

Just use Kujatas to cast golems at a discount price of being fucked in the ass

No idea why you'd want golems though all the Fagmar minions are way better

>>123169319
The backstab effect does stack

>>123170651
It was a thing back in the Alpha.
Metallurgists, Vanquishers, Kujata, Flash Reincarnation, golems.

However, currently, if you follow the train of thought, you just end up with a worse Magmar control.
>Oh, all of my dudes are huge, I can throw in Plasma Storm
>I might as well run all of this removal
Etc. Etc. Etc.

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Hey, I did it.

>>123176025
What deck u runnin' m8?

How do you get windowed mode on the desktop client, and how do you delete songhai from the fucking game?

>>123176415
Either creep or this shitty wraithling focused deck. Too poor spirit-wise to make the deck I'd like to have.
>>123176595
Ctrl+shift+F

>>123176595
CTRL+SHIFT+F
and
ALT+F4
respectively.

>about to win
>ONE MOMENT...
>lose

smegmar conspiracy

Do you say GLHF before every match?

>>123178296
>drop game ending threat on an empty board
>he gets rid of it
>drop another game ending threat
>he does it again
>drop ANOTHER game ending threat
>gets rid of it
>have nothing now
>he drops big dudes and i have zero removal, no ropes, and no shrouds
>lose the game

alternatively
>set up combo that wins the game next turn after a "close match" (whittling him down and trying to remove his fuckhuge dudes+FREE LEGENDARY EGG SPAWNS)
>turns himself into a 10/10 and hits me for game
:^)

>>123178953
No, it's a retarded ASS way of saying Hi.
I use Hello like a civilized person.

>>123178953
Yes, unless my opponent is a Songhai.

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>opponent says Well Played before he kills me

>>123181432
>opponent surrounds me and says well played
>I win on the next turn and spam laugh emote

I sure love Metamorphosis into Plasma Storm
Really balanced

>>123181432
>opponent can kill you but instead he uses all the cards and spells, and buffs just to show you
Fucking retards

>>123181920
>9 mana
>not even game ending
vetkek detected

>>123181920
it costs 9 mana though

>>123182045
Guilty

:3

>shadow nova once
>repulsor and lure give you infinite cheap removal for the rest of the game
is this honestly supposed to be balanced
cause its fucking stupid

>>123182672
Just kill him faster :^)

>play against songay
>loose before i hit 6 mana

above rank 5 is even worse

this fraction really need some nerfs

>>123181432
I'm new to this game and I have a question regarding the topic
sometimes I have a really fun game that's pretty evenly matched and I'd like to convey that it was a good game
what emote or phrase should I use to convey this? "Well Played" looks like it has a pretty dickish use

>>123184460
Don't use any

>>123184460

Whenever my opponent uses any sort of emote i mute him immediately.
When he says Hello, i also reply with Hello because out of all the choices that's the most civil one.

Or just >>123184573

fuck songhai

>>123185023
No offense, but you sound like a faggot.

>>123185208
>using emotes

No offense, but you're a faggot.

>>123184460
just say well played, don't do this >>123182045 and tip 5 gold if you're really feeling it

unless they're cynical as fuck, then i don't see why they'd take it poorly

now, if you say well played before they even end their turn, and use the laugh/kiss emote, that'd be pretty dick

>>123184460
usually i opt for well played and a tip if the game was really solid

>>123185819
>>123185907
They should make tipping bigger

>>123186632
That'll be 15 gold plus tip

>>123182087
>9 mana to destroy every enemy your opponent might have, without risking to trigger Dying Wishes

Looks like a fair trade

>>123185740
I don't even use emotes, but instantly muting someone because they do is pretty stupid and childish.

>>123182045
Man, I hate that. Whenever I can win I do it shortly, maybe a "Well Played" before if the match has been good, but no messing around.

>>123187175
If they want to friend me and talk that's cool. Emotes have no defined meaning

>>123187346
Yes they do, are you stupid?

>>123187154
That is a fair trade. Especially considering 9 mana from vetruvian will just outright kill your opponent. 9 mana from songhai is a full combo that will probably kill you from an empty board.

>>123187680
At least Vet sorta rely on positioning, and not even their own, so you can sorta play around it.

Songay is bullshit though, but it's a faction that rely on card draws rather than strategy.

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>it's an Abyssian deck that relies on casting Shadow Nova two-turns in a row

>>123190946
>not 3

>egg morph
>metamorphosis
>mana burn
>plasma storm
>flash makantor
>bounded lifeforce
>Elder
Magmar needs to be nerfed into complete uselessness.

>>123192567
there's literally zero (0) things wrong with magmar
everyone that complains about magmar must be silver

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>>123192809
>there's literally zero (0) things wrong with magmar

>>123192809
Instead of constructively refuting any of those points you simply shitpost. Nice job.

>>123192809
The thing wrong with Magmar is that they do everything too right. The class has no adverse matchups and does 90% of the game better than other classes.

>>123193116
magmar loses to songhai quite easily actually

>>123193116
What about that one anon further up who said Vanar control is a favorable matchup against Magmar control?

>>123192916
you guys act like magmar is wiping the board and dropping threats at the same time. magmar removal is highly costed and there's always a conscious choice over whether you have to drop one of your own threats or attempt to remove one of theirs. Until magmar gets to 9 mana there is no way they are both dropping threats and removing all of yours at the same time

tell you what: most of /dyg/ started playing the game last month when open beta was released. They haven't played enough like the rest of the official forums

This is like a fighting game general

>>123194603
The fuck are you talking about, nigger? Magmar exactly does the same thing you say it can't: removing your minions AND shitting out threats at the same turn. All Magmar minions are sticky as shit .
They don't need to balance their decks around spell/minion ratio because each one is 2for1 by default and they have enough spells to take on 2 players at the same time. They simply outlast their opponent's early game and then shit out too many threats for them to handle.

>>123194603
after getting your board wiped 6 turns in a row and having to deal with bullshit rush + frenzy 1 for 4 combo and THEN flash reincarnation, it's pretty fucking easy for a Magmar to get to 9 mana without effort and still have shit on the board

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> Opponent thinks he is clever and keeps all minion in 4-long conga line + hero
> Gets blasted by ankh + staff
Is there a better feeling?

>>123196101
>vetkeks thinking they're good using the most OP faction
when will they learn

>>123196101
Post deck.
Also, can anyone teach me the proper ways of using the ankh? Whenever I get it early on I shoot myself in the foot by losing board control and the game along with it.

>>123196248

Vet can get optimal conditions something like 16~18 damage on turn 5-6 unless you have positioned yourself truly retardedly.

Every faction that isn't Vanar has SOME sort of 12~15 damage dealer on that turn. ANd strictly speaking vanar does too but I never see anyone actually using it

>>123196248
i don't get it

how can they be vet but also be using magmar at the same time

>>123194603
Let's take a look at the math then.

Here's a list of all the Magmar cards that are used to remove threats, either through dispels, metamorphosis, destruction, or just straight removal.
Let's start with spells :
> Natural Selection (2 mana)
> Egg Morph (4 mana)
>Plasma Storm (4 mana)
>Metamorphosis (6 mana)

Magmar also have few minions which primary purpose is killing others minions instantly
>Spirit Harvester (5 mana)
>Makantor Warbeast (6 mana)

Metamorphosis is not that much used, but when it is Magmar general prefer to kill the minions with their own forces and summons a 4 drop with the remainign mana. For the same cost, Makantor Warbeast is a 4/4 with Rush and Frenzy, unless you're into some extremely gimmickly playstyle you're bound to suffer from it. Same with Spirit Harvester, although it does do damages to every other minion, including Magmar's.

However, notice that all three others Magmar removals spells cost 4 mana. Flash reincarnation is also a thing, as are Kujatas. Which mean that Magmar can very possibly kill most minions you have on your side (or alternatively, dispel or turn into an egg a valuable asset) and put something valuable on the grid in the same turn it's played. Alll of theses for a pretty cheap cost. Compare to Vet, which only have one dispel and one conditional removal, and yet are the faction all Fagmar players cry is more broken than them. However, I have never seen a single Fagmar claiming their faction isn't bullshit actually backing their fact up.

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>>123196308

>>123196930
Nobody runs natural selection or kujata. Egg morph requires you to be in range to attack the creature causing the threat
Metamorphosis and flash reincarnation spirit harvester is 3 cards and still 8 mana. Or you can spend two full turns to do it on your own. Flash reincarnating a makantor will cause it to die if it attacks something. It's like you guys are really silver. Vetruvian is #1 in every tournament even with decks specifically designed to beat vetkek

>>123197250
>Nobody runs natural selection or kujata.
???

>>123197304
Maybe in silver
You won't see them in control in diamond+

>>123197568
Yes you will you retard

>>123197704
Im in diamond and no you won't. There's no point, those spots can be used for better cards

>>123197794
I'm in Diamond too. I still haven't seen a Magmar who wouldn't destroy my pyromancer with natural selection turn 1.

>>123197919
Not him but it's not just pyromancers. That card destroys anything if it's the only one on the board.

>>123197794
>>123197919
Well i'm S rank and you're both wrong

>>123197794
>Im in diamond
he says like that's anything special

>>123197794
I'm in diamond and while I don't see Kujata that often (still sometimes, but usually they don't get much value), Natural Selection is always there.

Rest of your point is bullshit though

>4 mana AoE that may not even die because Dampening Wave or Greater Fortitude are a thing

>>123198545
>greater fortitude
>dampening wave
>in control
?

>>123197250
>Egg morph requires you to be in range to attack the creature causing the threat
Which is always the case. You don't Egg Morph a distant threatening minion, you Mana Burn it.

>Metamorphosis and flash reincarnation spirit harvester is 3 cards and still 8 man
This is an incredibly specific example, can't you answer generals points instead of nitpicking ?

>Vetruvian is #1 in every tournament even with decks specifically designed to beat vetkek
You keep saying that every thread. You never respond to any point everyone makes against Magmar, you just spam "Well Vet are better anyway". Just look at your post. You took two specific example that still result in clear board advantage for Magmar without any prior board control, and might not even results in a tempo loss on his end. And yet you're spinning that as "not important". Are you really that deluded ?

>>123182045
I do this when I have to get Ultimate Aggressor quest

Sorry senpai

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Official /dyg/ chart of faction OPness

>Elder God Tier

Vetruvian (P2W version)

>God tier

Magmar (control)

>Le Balanced Tier

Abyssian (big dudes, midrange)
Lyonar (heal, midrange)
Songhai

>Underrated Tier

Vanar (aggro, midrange)

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>>123200781
>tfw Vetruvian
>got all the 6-8 or so legendaries in my deck without paying shit
>mfw people whine about Vet being p2w

>>123200781
Songay OTK should be in God tier

>>123205291
It's not as consistent as vets and magmar. You have to try hard to fuck up something as magmar, if a songhai player doesn't get good hands he might as well kill himself.

Repeat after me

"a 4 mana 4/5 with rebirth is completely fair and balanced"

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hurr durr i good at game

Who is the most overused minion and why is it Emerald Rejuvenator?

Free +4 HP is crazy retarded

>>123206679
It's not. That's a neutral rare and literally doesn't do the meta any harm.

Trying this out for shits and giggles.

Does anyone have a referral code?

>>123206679
it's more the fact its a 4/4 for 4 with +4 hp. If it was a 3/3+4 for 4 or a 4/4+4 for 5 it would be a little more balanced

>>123206826
redditpals

>>123206826
use the referral code redditpals for free 100g

>>123206826
redditpals
seriously, it gets you 100g which is the equivalent of a booster

Okay /dyg/
How do we fix Vanar?

>>123207549
suck a dick

>>123207549
by nerfing plasma storm and giving them some cards to work with. Right now you can only play swarm vanar with the deers because there's nothing else that you can do with them.

>>123209530
Spirit harvester absolutely shits on vanar

>>123207549
Nerf tempest and other boardclears

>>123193835
>spiral technique
>earth sphere
lmao

>>123211482
Seriously, ive never seen a songhai use spiral technique and ive gotten to s-rank 2 months in a row

>>123207549
Coldbiter does 3 damage
More tree minions that inflict stun
More "Dying Wish Summon a X/X Minion with [Dying Wish Summon a X/X Minion with {Dying Wish Summon a X/X Minion here} here] here"

>>123211618
Cause it's shit. I don't see the point, I can do more damage with a combo
>BUT IT'S 8 DAMAGE FROM HAND
It's also 7 mana, by that point the game is already settled and 8 damage won't change a thing.

Sup guys. New player, should I stick with Lyonar?

Also, I am spooked about my first match, am I guaranteed to suck my first few times around?

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>>123212625
>should i continue playing [faction]?
>im scared to play my first game

>>123212625
buddy, you're gonna be garbage for a while, get used to it

fortunately, most people your rank will also be garbage, so don't worry

>>123212625
Lyonar is one of the better beginner factions for sure, but that's not to say it shouldn't be stuck with once you've grasped the fundamentals.
Just make sure you're disenchanting other faction's cards so you can build yourself a deck that will frustrate the fuck out of your opponents.

You're bound to get your ass handed to you for your first few games, but bronze should be considered more of a learning experience than an actual league.
Make sure you check out some competitive decks so you know what to aim for and enchant, but most importantly do your research and make sure you'll actually enjoy playing the faction you've picked.

>>123212790

>Mocking rookies

Fuck off.

>>123176739
what is the deck you'd like to have ?

>>123213671
I didnt mock him for being new i mocked him for being a fucking idiot in matters outside of the game

He cannot continue playing a faction if hes never played the faction you mong.

>>123213912
>What is sandbox

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>>123214456
What IS sandbox?

>>123213872
A variation of http://forums.duelyst.com/t/big-bois-deck/20200

I'd also like an Abyssian Rush deck, both require Revenants and I have neither which is my biggest problem.

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>>123212625
First few games are actually pretty easy. Start off with training missions to get the hang of the game, then dive in. I managed to win my first, i think 4 games? I used Abyssian, they're pretty fun. Lyonar players sometimes give me trouble, but I personally find them kinda boring.

PvP is entirely ranked, so your first games will also be against newbies.

Post your shadow creep decks lads

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>>123217348
Sure thing anon

>>123217348
hehe i liek meemz xd

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>beginning of game
>drop Abyssal Crawler on a mana node
>opponent runs up and slaps it
>realizes his mistake a few seconds later
>concedes

>diamond
Everybody has a mechazor deck.
Woha... So pro...

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>>123218798
>shadowcreep on an empty mana tile

Why does that matter

>>123219059
Free wins as magmar, hop on the train

>>123219059
So bring a crossbones you mongoloid. How hard is this

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This is fucking bullshit.
I literally didn't get a better card than a rare shitter 6 times in a row now.
Piece of shit.

>>123221627
>being this mad
>when I have 6500 gold and 6600 spirit

>>123221742
Share some, familia.
I can't be a pro p2winvian with drops like these.

>>123221870
but the autowin high spirit deck is magmar anon. or abyssian

>>123222009
I need more Ayylmaos and Third Wishes though
Come on
*pats the shoulder*

>>123222009
Not its vetruvian, pretty handily

>>123222170
>>123222218
before artifact and Locke nerfs, but now vetruvian is pretty slow, and you can defense yourself somehow. the magmar, and abyssian are better.

>>123222506
Im fucking plying

Hell if anything the sarlac nerf hurt more than either of those

Theres a reason vetruvian dominates every tournament. And that reason is portal guardian

>>123222841
which tournament? last one I saw the final was the abyssian with 423424 legendaries vs a Lyonar heal or something like that. and at rank 5 to 0 I see A LOT of magmar full control + elders

>>123223449
Thats because its cheaper moneywise than vetruvian while being nearly as good. The statistic is also taken across multiple tournaments

Vetruvian rank 1-3 50% of the time

Lyonar magmar rank 1-3 22% of the time

Abyssian is like 15-18%?

Vanar songhai is 10%~

>>123223929
good to know then, I was rank 0 a few months back, not playing that much now. but Im at rank 4 or so now, and magmar control, and some abyssian is the thing I see more.

also, the vetruvian deck you are talking about , I think its the same as back then, dunno why is so popular now. I guess current nerfs/meta bring it back

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Well just got to S with my vet deck last match was against a Lyonar S rank with over 300 lyonar wins. He just conceded at start. Glad I didn't spend any money on this game and still got S.

>>123224667
Why would you have to spend money to get to S?

>>123224925
You don't at all but some people think you have to in order to play p2winvian.

>Vanar bringing themselves down with their AoE
delicious every time

so this whole time I've been going "why the fuck is everyone saying magmar is overpowered" since I've been running a magmar deck for this months ladder and the minute I hit 10 the wins hit around 50/50 against literally any other faction. Fair matchups all around

if this is you
no matter what deck you have
if you are stalled in the low Gold bracket
stop playing at weird hours. Only queue for games between 5pm and 9pm EST. It is a fucking. shitshow.

Nobody cares about their positioning. People throw shit out onto the board with literally no care to where it lands, and regularly end their turn without moving their generals. Your summons will go unanswered/ignored. It's fucking easy as shit.

On the other hand, if you are stuck in silver playing during this time: your deck is shit. Immediately look for a way to change it. Play during odd hours to go against real decks, get an idea for what they're running.

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>abyssian throws down shadow dancer
>tempest the board with all his little bullshit
>divine bond elyx AFTER taking tempest damage for exact lethal

She fucking deserved that after having an amazing fucking opening to my nothing. So many turns spent not drawing sunriser or tempest to clear the weenies

>>123226430
Tempest damage is 3, Dancer health is 4.
Either you also attacked the dancer or something here is fishy.

>>123226968
I didnt attack the dancer, i let the dancer get insane value because it didnt matter

>>123226430
>divine bond
Reeeeeeeeee

>>123226113

The degree of this being correct is astounding. I always play late at night, was struggling to get from 5 to 3. Got 3 to 1 in one sitting from people that just have no fucking clue what they're doing.

>>123226113
>>123227270
gotta agree

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>>123227146
>people who silence the ironcliffe

YOURE NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM

>>123226113
>>123227270
>>123228210
Holy shit i thought i was the only one, what is it with the late night crowd and shitters

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Can the Lyonars spamming divine bond all night please leave?

>>123226113
This was my experience too. Stuck at 5-4 because only play during morning hours and weird inbetweens. Start playing during 5 and 9 went from 5 to 0 in two days.

>>123228530
Only autists and addicts play at late night hours
Normies play at normal hours so it's easier.

>>123228530
5-9PM is late night?

>>123229239
Some other anon mentioend it being easier at night

I just assumed it was a timezone thing but there is a definite period of the day where its crazy easy

>>123229374
The first two anons you quoted said its easier to play at prime time, not late at night.

>>123229374
this nigga dont even know what he agreein with

>>123207549
Give them a cheap Vespyr with Rush
Buff Blazing Spines to 4/3
Rework Avalanche so it's not useless
Let Razorback work on walls

>>123230496
The whole point of Avalanche is to punish people trying to avoid your infiltrate. I think it would be much better just make a whole new card that was a small wipe. Maybe deal 2 damage to all minions and stun them all or some shit.

>>123232317
And that's a shitty point, because if you can't contain them you've already lost.

It would be on par with the other board wipes if it hit your opponent's side instead.

>>123232714
Yeah it goes against what the faction tries to do, but in reality if you could do whatever you wanted to do all the time with all factions then you'd just win every game or lose every game. The fact that there is some counterplay and some effort gone into looking at solutions to when stuff goes wrong is better than the alternative.

>>123233214

Okay but every other faction has a board wipe in that neighborhood that doesn't only function in their faction's worst case scenario.

Exception for Songhai.

>>123232714
>infiltrate opponents side of the board
>winning
>got my minions over there
>they start to drop a shit load of stuff
>inverse avalanche
>wut

ALTERNATE SITUATION

>could not contain them
>losing
>they're on my side
>inverse avalanche
>wut

your idea is worse in most practical situations.

>>123233409
Abyssian doesnt make much sense either really though.

Deal 2 and full heal your guys? Like what, the 1/1s? Who gives a shit? Sure you could heal some fat guys back up but it seems like a Lyonar card more than Abyssian

>>123233549
Breath of the Unborn should be read: Deal 2 damage to all enemy minions. Summon a Vorpal Reaver for each killed.

it would make more sense then

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>oh boy magmar control, how fun
>and i draw 0 lategame, amazing
>have to matryr his spirit harvester too
>he even manaburned z'ir, how the fuck do i come back from this
>mfw doing the math with holy immo/divine

21 health wombo combo, i feel like songhai

>>123233549
>>123233841
Tempest and Breath of the Unborn seem like they should just swap card text.

Though holy fuck the Light Chaser Synergy.

I didn't know the Mini-jax could move.

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>>123235553
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feels good man
thank you leveling vetruvian to 11 booster

>>123236380
Nice lego and 200 dust

>>123236430
fuck that regalia i'm not playing lyonar

>>123236535
Okay tough guy at least you're only DEing their best card

>>123236535
>>123236430
>>123236719

>not dusting card you have 4 copies of

A'll ya'll going to regret this.

>>123236719
good
F U C K lyonar

>>123236719
>regalia
>best card

Ehhhh

Best artifact, sure.

Ive actually cut the regalia from my deck because theres just too much abyssian floating around for whatever reason. Does no good against them

>>123236916
I think artifacts are innately weak since curse is such a prevalent card for Vet

>>123237593
No its really weak because they dont last more than 2 turns, vetruvian isnt popular enough to influence the game that way.

Its why arclyte still sees usage because it preserves its own life by mitigating damage, the enemy general can no longer slap you to eat at your artifacts health. He needs a board and his general can suddenly no longer respond to you

>>123238850
>vetruvian isn't popular enough
>literally #1 tournament deck next to magmar

>>123239137
Yes and? Its barely played on ladder because it requires a huge amount of dust/money

Why are there so many people just conceding before the game even begins the past few days? I'm even at Gold.

>>123239192
i didn't really think about it until you mentioned it, but that's kind of odd

i've hardly played against any vetruvians in all the time i've been playing, and it only seems to have decreased the higher in rank i went

i think i've played more vanar than vet, even, with the other four factions being vastly more common

>>123239484
I do it when I have a bad draw or match against some 3+ ribbons dude playing his main(aka stacked deck).

>>123240216
>mana burn mechazor across the map
>opponent concedes
And that's how I got into diamond

>>123241290
uh

don't make faces at me, duke, i couldn't do shit there

>>123226113
I actually had the opposite happen. I was stuck at 5 for a long time and then I started playing at 1 am EST and climbed to 3. I've stabilized there now.

>chase this stupid fucking vetruvian all the way to his side of the map
>swooces right past me and crawls to my side of the map
>silence his obelisk/blast bunker
>stares at me for a few turns while i walk back over
>lets me play all of my late game threats on the hike there because vetruvian has no ranged removal
>When i have his bunker surrounded he swooces through me again
>chase him back to HIS corner of the map where i silence his new bunker
>start the march
>again

Ive decided i hate silhouette tracer.

>magmar decides to shit out 24 damage in one turn with no board

And people think Songhai is cancer

>>123242606
Thats a very specific deck

songhai does the same thing with lantern foxes, dont worry

>>123242179
I dunno man, he just conceded when he realized he had to walk it across the map

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>>123242473
THAT'S DUKE, RIGHT

IT'S ALL I COULD DO, OKAY

STOP BULLYING ME

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>>123243409
You lost that game in the first few turns, i dont understand what the thought process was, i dont understand you played the blast minion so close nor why you hit the knight

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>>123243901
i can't really remember how it played out, but i'm pretty sure i put the pyro where i did because i wanted to goad you into attacking it so i could give myself room to set up my ankh or something

attacking the knight, i'm pretty sure, was because picture related

>>123244224
thats what i guessed too, was planning to martyr the tiger Then you went and hit the knight so i not only got to kill something you spent 5 mana into but also got a free 3 damage and chip on the artifact

I dont remember much past that either but i do remember 2 seperate instances where i just didnt understand what the fuck you were doing

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>>123244518
Oh and laughing at that scarab obelisk sunbloom value

>>123242686
a very specific deck with a very specific draw, no less.

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>>123244518
>but i do remember 2 seperate instances where i just didnt understand what the fuck you were doing

most of the time, neither did i

>>123244663
i forget sunbloom exists way more than i care to admit. i need to start writing that shit down as a reminder

>vanar turns her vale hunter into a 5/5 that cant attack generals
>equip regalia and slap her
>spends 30 seconds wondering what to do
>skips her turn
>martyr it

>be Magmar vs Vet
>he plays some shitty cheesy Blast + Damage artifact strat
>repulsors, sand trap, bone swarm
>forced to chase him across the map

god, why do you make this so painful for me? just stand there and let me hit you, there's no way you can win

>>123246179
Ask
>>123245353
>>123244224

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>>123246179
>>123246373
as hilarious as it sounds with sand traps, i'm not running any, so it wasn't me. in fact i just threw that deck together in like 2 minutes to see what an artifact deck would play like and it's fucking magnificent

also

>vs magmar
>his second turn
>fractal replication
>fractal replication
>silithar elder
>don't have enough to counter it and the egg
>fucking makantor warbeasts everywhere
>archon spellbinder
>veteran silithars
>nothing i can do but run to the other side of the map with blast and a prayer

still won

ask me anything

>>123246179
Hey man that was me

Sorry to frustrate but I generally don't concede unless I can see the lethal coming

>>123247550
but the real question is does the strat really work? it just seems silly

>>123246813
>not explaining how you won.

>>123247963
Sometimes, when I actually get one of the two / three drops, it does.

I could blame the draws but I'm probably just shit at building a deck and mana curving. the idea of the deck is to stall (sand traps, repulsors, dispel doges). I still don't have any of the good Vet legos (only one 3rd wish).

>>123248058
>vet

Easy
>Oh no! I'm losing
>TIME TO #SKILL
>Draw star's fury (IQ: 205)
>Draw Third wish (IQ:6000)
>Play star's fury and third wish (IQ: SO high normal human numbers cannot qualify it!)
>Win

>>123248125
>being this ass blasted about vet

>>123248058
i silhouette tracer'd through him to run for the right wall, repulsor'd some shit, out of my way, and dropped some rock pulverisers

by the time he got to me, he had so many units on the field, and all so spread out, that i got like 7 dervishes out of stars fury. coupled with a blast, and a hit from one of my rock pulverisers, was enough to take him from 17hp or whatever he had to 0

if he had kept his minions tighter together, i would've been fucked

>>123248125
i don't have third wish, but i agree it's retardedly cheap for what it does

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Which one are you son?

>>123248817
*tips fedora*

>>123248817
le wannabe punk + sunglasses dude + furry lizzard sometimes

>>123248817
Crush puss all day bro

>>123248817
vanar should be a butch sjw with an awful haircut imo

otherwise pretty good

>>123249042
its pretty obvious why vanar is a hipster. Just because the general is a butch doesnt mean the players are

>>123214608
you play both sides.

>>123249042
Vanar is the hipster because the only people who play the weakest faction in the game are ostensibly hipsters. "I played Vanar before they were good" and all that shit.

by the way /dyg/, i haven't really been following the news lately because of uni and shit, but when are the alternate generals (like loli abyssian) supposed to hit the game? do you have to buy them? any details?

>>123249851
No details on alternate generals yet.

>>123249851
No general details
No sprite updates for the generals details
No Pet details

we're really in the dark

>>123249851
>>123249974
They mentioned big things with the next update, which is in just over a week, we'll probably get something a few days before

Are there any functional differences between "move", "push" and "teleport"?

>>123254918
Push lets you move through enemy minions, teleport is self explanatory

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>opponent silences z'ir after killing my general

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Thank you Songhai dude for conceding on turn 6

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Why is Portal Guardian so cute?

>>123256867
What even happens then?

>>123242473
Have you run into artifact Songhai yet? It can go fuck itself.

>>123260789
Nothing happens. Effects with the word "becomes" don't count as enchantments and can't be dispelled.

>>123260789
Cutest card is THE ETERNALLY NERFED

>>123260789
Fuck all, its a general now, not a minion. But he did it on the same turn. With 3 cards he drew exact lethal and an answer but he got so excited he fucked up o just didnt understand the card because no one fucking plays it

>>123261195
If you buff z'ir and then become him.
Can his buffs be silenced?

>>123261392
BECOMES
E
C
O
M
E
S

>>123261392
Not a clue, ill test it

>>123261540
>????
Do you know english you dumb-ass spic?

fuck that magmar insane challenge in the ass
I did all the others pretty quickly but this one, man

>>123261392
If he gets buffed you can silence but only with a tile targeted silence, so vetruvian is fucked

>>123261791
I feel voltron z'ir is the ultimate spicy meme then
>Bunch of taunts
>buff z'ir to 17/12+
>become indestructible
>Ram z'ir into general

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>>123262150
Im gonna give you a protip here, you z'ir lasts a turn on the board unmolested youve already won. Hell i feel accomplished when he only gets silenced. That being said ive already lived the 17/12 dream
>
>>123234223

>>123262468
>Not the 17/12 general dream
Anon... You're not thinking with the right mementality

Who else here /vetcuCk/?

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>>123263023

>>123263023
KEK
Kek

Is there really no way for Abyssians to get to Srank, heck even get past Gold without doing the mech deck?

What a time to be alive for Abyssian players.

>>123264808
You can get to gold with most every deck

>>123264951
>get past gold

>>123264984
10-5 was pisseasy for my mediocre vanar deck so probably

>>123265042
deck please

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>>123265473
It's been changed a bunch since I broke gold, I crafted the second deer for example
It's kind of a mess right now but it still holds up in diamond pretty well and could probably bring me to S if only I gave a fuck. The shamans and avalanche are experimental, the former have been pretty useful, the latter is usually there when I don't need it and doesn't show up when I dig for it. Boundless courage might be a nice addition

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>>123265473
not him but here's my s-rank vanar deck

sometimes I swap out a maw or crystal cloaker for spirit of the wild or aspect of the mountains

I lied, I'm only rank 2

>>123265932
Also tempest is this decks worst enemy, partly why I put in the shamans

Borean bear should be 1/4

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>>123265473
I just hit 5 with this deck. Cheaper than the other two posted, but it is pretty hit or miss. Tempest will really fuck things up.

>>123266157
>Borean Bear is 2 mana, 1/3, +1 attack whenever you summon a Vespyr
>Portal Guardian is 3 mana, 0/9, +1 attack whenever you summon ANYTHING, AND frenzy

Why is this allowed?

>>123266262
But it's vespyr so it has synergy with glacial and buffs!

>>123266262
Um...
But vet is UP?
Fuck off smegmar

>>123266216
This is more similar to my 10 breach deck, I ran 3 primus, 3 snowpiercer, sometimes the rush dog, I generally went more face I think
I'm considering making a variation of my current deck that goes full face, going maws and snowpiercers and rushguys, maybe even cutting deer entirely

Any of you Vanars use Jax Truesight?

Is he a win condition, or does he just make board wipes even more of a nightmare?

>>123266609
I would if I had him, probably next thing to craft
If your enemy doesn't have boardclears ready, which might be since they cleared your shit 6 times already, and you still have a razorback left you win

>>123266609
I've ran him a few times. It's pretty successful if some of them live through the round and you have a razorback standing by. You just need to certain you've exhausted their board clear by that point.

How do we improve Abyssian?

Cons
>horrible early game
>most faction minions have low stats
>requires a considerable amount of time to properly set up whether it be deathwatch/creep deck
>minions can be easily board wiped
>incredibly horrendous "board wipe" card called Breath of the Unborn which is outclassed by cards like Tempest and Plasma Storm by a huge margin

Pros:
>Shadow Nova
it's use is highly debatable, really
>soon to come loli general

Being Abyssian is suffering.

>>123267747
>Loligen
Legendary: Your spells cost 1 less 3/20

>>123267827
more like 0/20

>>123267906
Fuck balance, loli!

Okay, I jest.

0/20 Your spells and abyssian minions cost 1 less

>>123267947
0/20
Your Wraithlings have +2 health.

>>123267827
>>123267906
>>123267947
>>123268051

>3/20
>0/20

what?

PEDOPHILE GENERAL PATCH:
>Smegmar
ShotaVaath 5/15 your minions cost 1 less, but take 1 damage
>Vet
LoliRobot (She's totally under 60 years guys, that's like, child) 0/20 your spells cost 1 less
>Lyonar
LoliAngel 0/15 at the end of your turn heal 2 to all of your minions and generals
>Abyssian
LoliReaper 0/20 At the start of your turn summon in a random nearby space a wraithling
>Vanar
0/20 yu can use smegmar cards as if they where yours.
>Songhai
Nothing. Fuck you.

>>123268558
ebiniums...

I NEED MORE CHALLENGES