/evn/ - Boogieman Edition

>>122404202
That is a nice cabinet.

>>122404202
>not lying down in bed while fapping to eroge

>>122406019
She's still dressed, he hasn't gotten to the fapping part yet.

>>122404992
It's falling over and I can't tell quite which direction.

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Is this too shota?

i've written about 40k words this last week for a 'short' spinoff of one of my other vns which isn't even released yet
what am i doing

>>122406926
barely shota at all, would have to see full body to say for sure.

>>122407045
you're a terrible person
but at least you're practicing your fast-writing skills

>>122407045
It's okay anon. I'm close to release and I have been fiddling around with not one but two other games. One will get released mere months after my first.

>>122408405
well i'm only writing this other thing because the writing of the main vn is already finished but i can't release it because i'm waiting on assets
only i've been waiting for a while and i got restless

>>122410107
That's an okay reason to get started but - how will you feel when the assets come in, but you really want to be writing this other thing?

I say, having repeatedly delayed a project I've promised people because I keep being stuck waiting for someone else and starting something else in the meantime....

So /evn/ what game have you seen recently that has a good looking GUI. I'm looking for samples to blatantly copy and tear apart for my own gain.

>>122413432

ClockUp's recent games have a very nice, simple GUI.

>>122413432
It's hard to recommend one. Games tend to have certain feels in their GUI.

>>122414141

This. When it doubt the "subtitles over a black gradient" is a safe bet imo, but you should aim for a GUI that reflects the feeling of your game.

>>122413432
I guess to actually answer you, there's literally "visual novel interfaces" on tumblr. There's also VNDB which tends to turn up textbox ideas.

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>>122414141
>>122414497
Still good to have samples. Helps when I need an idea.

>>122415202

The graphics are nice but jfc that text placement and font.

>>122415202
Not bad. Move the text up and maybe cull some of the menu options.

>>122417758
Source?

>get song after the millionth revise
>its distracting still

Damn

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>>122407290
>>122425379
Unfortunately, this other photo is the only one I have of him(I'm still getting the writing done). Spoiler for yogurt.
Delete because file size was too huge

>>122420104
It's awkward seeing someone else post my stuff.

Seinarukana fucking when

>>122424959
>rememberd
why

>>122426013
If it helps, it came up on random rotation on the front page of VNDB, so no stalking of you was involved.

>>122427290
English is ard

Worst VN you ever read? That wasn't purposely bad. Mine was the first rising angels game.

>>122430429
Yaruge Girl Triona.
Nothing else will ever compare.

>>122430525
>that art
Why would you even download that game in the first place?

>>122430525
The criteria was "Not purposely bad."
Are you sure that Yaruge Girl Triona wasn't purposefully bad? Because it looks like it.

>>122430525
Oh god I half want to play it out of curiosity

Guys, should I salvage a five-year-old project?

>>122430875
Pickings were slim in 2008.

>>122431024
It was meant to be showing off the exciting technological advancements of RenPy. I think it was possibly the first game with a customisable character.

>>122431904
Depends, How much is usable, how much do you love it, and how much would you have to do to rescue it?

>>122431904
If it's been dead for so long maybe there's a reason.

>>122432180
It basically set the tone of my current project.

>>122432290
Funding issues.

> http://voiceactingalliance.com/board/showthread.php?98779-Sakura-Angels-Visual-Novel-Casting-Call-3F-Paid-OPEN&s=7bb0877ef823eac55c99245fe9467fbc

just what this game needed, an english dub!

>>122432682
Yeah isnt angels their worst one...? All things considered

>>122433937

I haven't played the others, but Angels is fucking terrible so yeah, I can't see how adding english voices would make it more attractive.

Gotta sleep

Please bump the thread so i have somewhere to shitpost

>>122438082

I'll try. REMEMBER TO NAME AND SHAME

>>122439381
You aren't doing it write. Watch and learn buddy.

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Threadly reminder to NAME AND SHAME (con)artists.

>>122439809

Gonna save that for future use.

>>122439809
We're never going to find out who the anon was talking about in that image, are we?

>>122440119
Remember to name it correctly with all caps too, I probably won't be around for much longer anyways.

>>122440435
>I probably won't be around for much longer anyways.
That sounds so sad, anon. Where are you going?

>>122440435
If you've got to use a rope, make sure it's a comfy one at least ;_;

>>122440142
No, because you retards made a meme out of it. Probably never future ones, either.

>>122442490
It's not a meme. It's a reminder.

Reverse-diversity game, being the only straight white guy in a progressive South African community college.

Or a game about a 22nd Century Crusade that aims to remove faggotry and Islam in one fell swoop?

>>122448216
A game about Syria?

>>122448436

A game about Islamic Europe, with South America being the new seat of the pope.

>>122448812
sory bad english but who was crusader

>>122449018

Nobody in mind. It's just an vague story idea so...

Holy fuck I should move to /pol/ before shit hits the fan here.

The only acceptable crusades game would be one that lets you date Richard Lionheart.

>>122450012
Not dating Saladin?

>>122449373
This board is an offshoot of /v/. It's far too late, like it or not.

>>122450208

No. You can fuck men but they've got to be CHRISTIAN men.

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>>122449373
It's too late. It hit it before you even knew what was happening

Will break off from main project to materialize this Crusader Dating Sim because fuck it.

>>122450012
Don't you dare taint pure crusaders with moeshit.

>>122452297

> moeshit
> implying it wouldn't be BL

we have had this exact same conversation like four times, you ought to know better.

>>122452297

It's okay, going to avoid the moe art-style and the tumblr style all together.

>>122452604
>any romance
>at war
Love can't bloom on the battlefield, Snake.

>>122452980

Pfft. /tg/'s love can bloom.

>>122452980

it can, it just means that your loved one has a 99% chance of dying horribly.

>>122452604
A story about ideology, bravery and camaraderie (and/or lack of thereof) sounds much more suitable than yet another gay shlickfic, honestly.

Seriously /evn/ should I even give this some thought?

>>122455415
Of coursh.
Contact Paradox while you're at it, they may or may not incorporate your vn into Crusader Kings franchise. You'll have to have kekoldry though.

>>122456459

22nd Century Fictional Pope Richard

>>122454876

Wasn't Richard historically gay anyway? Or at least there's a lot of people nowadays who suspect he was?

Start a war to give yourself access to a whole army full of pretty boys, fuck them, cry manly tears when they die.

>>122462237
Everyone was gay historically, just like all blacks were pharaohs and shit. Don't take stuff like that seriously unless there is evidence.

>>122462772
_Everyone_'s a bit of a strong statement. I know I've read stories with gay Richard in them, that's all.

Looking it up online, it looks like there's not much clear evidence other than him having a very close friendship with another man and no legitimate children, making confessions relating to unspecified sexual sins, and being WAY more interested in running around with the army than in going to England, but historians are divided on the subject. So I guess you could write it either way and still say you had decent backing for your view.

>In the same year, there came a hermit to king Richard, and, preaching the words of eternal salvation to him, said: "Be thou mindful of the destruction of Sodom, and abstain from what is unlawful; for if thou dost not, a vengeance worthy of God shall overtake thee". The king, however, intent upon the things of this world, and not those that are of God, was not able so readily to withdraw his mind from what was unlawful, unless a revelation should come to him from above or he should behold a sign.

>>122434532
>add english voices to terrible game
>it bombs even harder
>GUESS YOU GUYS DONT LIKE ENGLISH VOICES OH WELL
for once i'm okay with this technique, at least if it helps drill in the idea that english voice acting is almost never good.

>>122462237
> Wasn't Richard historically gay anyway? Or at least there's a lot of people nowadays who suspect he was?

That was the joke.

>>122463712
> close friendship with another man

Iirc it was the king of france. Mind you, back then it was common to do stuff like inviting friends to share your bed non-sexually, but it's one of the things that makes historians go "probably gay".

>>122465264
English voice acting in games is often good. But not when you have a tiny budget and/or are hiring the same five 'anime' voices for everything.

>>122465357
In professional games, yeah. I'm talking about evn and how 90% of them decide it's better to have shitty voice acting than none at all.

>>122465357

It can also be a huge inconvenience. See Backstage Pass.

Will there ever be a waifu game with a hidden bro route? Gay sex optional.

>>122468515
I dunno - there are several bishoujo games with joke guy ends, and there are several games where having a choice of male or female love interests is out in the open and a selling point. Would anyone want to go to the effort of making a serious BL route and then hiding it?

I've been stuck on editing these two scenes for hours.

>>122468515

True Love 95 did it and it was such a half assed attempt it just made me mad.

>>122469482
still mad about that
fuckity fuck fuck
no fucking CGs?
even his little sister got CGs, but the gay dude you share games with NOOOOOO SKIP STRAIGHT TO THE ENDING WITH JUST A DESCRIPTION OF BECOMING BOYFRIENDS

Love that game, but fuck that shit.

>>122470140

Hell, they didn't even need to fuck. I'd have been content with just a CG of them playing videogames like the bros they were.

>>122470508
You totally get it. Glad to rant together.

>>122470848
Sometimes I'm surprised by how much of a similar taste anons can have.

Post progress.

>>122476070
Working on my game and trying not to think of how much nicer my new ones looks in comparison.

>>122476070
Got some CGs and sketches in. I'm having some fun with a sexy scene where the love interest wraps herself up in nothing but a ribbon before trying to give herself to the protagonist as a birthday present.

Also did a bunch of writing today. I feel productive.

>>122477930
What game is this? A nukige?

>>122478204
Nope, there are just some eroge scenes in there for a couple of the routes. I got bored fading to black, so I added some optional CG and scenes for the horny bastards like me.

>>122477930
i'm now distracted by the mechanics of imagining a naked girl TRYING to figure out how to wrap herself up in ribbons and failing utterly because the ribbons are too thin and don't cling to skin so they just slide off

My only progress would be redoing the variable initialization part of my script since it's been fucked up for the past two months now.

>>122476070
Does finding an artist I like count as progress?

>>122478984
With help from someone and a fairly thick ribbon tied tightly. It's not like it stays on for long anyway.

I should take time to fuck with my hideous grammar from five years ago. Thank you Py'Tom for not updating the blog aggregator.

>>122479509
Oh, it's certainly possible if you put your mind to it, but the idea of a naked girl flailing around in confusion amuses me.

>>122476070
Discussing the next CG with the artist and realizing the gross oversight of not having a DILF as a LI.

Would I be off the mark in saying 80% of new VN makers probably saw sakura spirit and said "I could do better"?

>>122481762
Yes, because where would you get that from?

Who is actually inspired by Sakura Spirit? AJTilley maybe, but he's hardly 80% of new devs.

>designing female outfits that are sexy but easy to draw in CG

Its a nightmare

>>122481762
weren't a load of evn makes making evns before the sakura series ever came out?

the bumps

>>122492693
>Spanish
¿Que clase de brujería es esta?

>>122493634
I wanted to see if anyone would notice.

>>122484105
If your vn is set in the real world/can use real clothes, you can go to a store that sells party clothes and take notes from their mannequins.

>>122495680
Or just Victoria's Secret.

Are men actually allowed in there? I don't remember.

>>122495856
If anyone asks, just say "I'm looking for X for my girlfriend"

>>122496350
I personally find it much more amusing to say it is for me.

>>122497954
They might tell you to mail-order, then.
Unless you're skinny enough to look like you can fit a stock size.

>newest asset delivered
>SO good

Best feel

I can't decide if I want to stick with my kinetic novel path or add some dating sim elements to add a little gameplay to it.

>>122502736
Don't add dating sims elements if you are not fully commited because a badly executed sim is the worst thing.

>>122502736
How do you jump from KN to stat raiser anon?

Well you might check out Princess Maid yurijam. It does what you say to an extent

>>122504637
I was bored and played Roommates. Thought to myself, "Hey, something like this might be fun to add."

>>122505187
Oh wow um thats a pretty big game. Well I love stat raisers but like the above anon said try to do it right. Otherwise you could just add some false choices and have the same effect.

>>122505187
Many stat-raisers are kind of boring, though. Figuring out the balance to make them interesting and interweaving it with your story so it doesn't feel stupid and contradictory isn't that easy - winter wolves doesn't always pull it off. Like, if you're going to have the path fail at the end unless your Academic stat is really high, it's bizarre to have all the story events up until that point act like everything is perfect and wonderful and then suddenly without warning you're kicked out of school and told you're a loser who never studies.

>>122505187
WW games are pretty big, I wouldn't say it's something you add casually.

In your opinion, what's the worst evn fad? Imo it's browser games. I can't stand them.

>>122508959
do we really have fads, other than a brief surge of katawa shoujo clones which eventually died out?

there have been several attempts to build a decent browser engine but none of them have ever really caught on and become the game-changer their authors wanted them to be

>>122509502
I guess fad is a strong word, it's more like... patterns. For example, at one point we had about 6 BL games with non-human LIs in development, which is a very specific thing. (Though of those only about 3 are still being worked on).

>>122508959
Kickstarter

>>122493634
>>122492693
Esta en castellano, pero ni puedo leer lo que dice porque las letras están marrón con negro. Cambiarlo si es tuyo.

>>122510641
Anon...
¿Acaso estas medio cieguito?

>>122512128
realmente, no es una buena decisión. querés pelear negro?

>>122510641
>>122512128
>>122512707
4chan is on American soil, please respect the land of the free and speak English.

>>122512918
che, miren a esto gringo!!

>want to report the gringos
>know if i do there's less to bump the thread

Dang

Are we getting enriched right now?

>>122512707
Chequeate esos ojos, negro. Yo sé lo que te digo...En realidad no, solo estoy jodiendo.

>>122512918
Ya quisieras, brother.

>>122513596
>want to report the gringos
>gringos
Uh...

Someone please talk about games.

>>122513927
Yeah i feel the diversity... no wait, no one cares about that kind of diversity. black or chinese only.

>>122510559
That's not a fad anymore. It's a part of the business model.

>>122514134
Don't forget fat and anything other than "gay/straight".

>>122514024
I've changed from ADV to NVL. I feel like I'm really making a mistake, since that'll pretty much be the last straw from what most VN readers are used to... But I think it'll fit better, so you know. Win some, lose some.

helo

>>122506575
I was thinking to have smaller obstacles, but have them more frequent. You'd also be more focused on helping your classmates survive than your own stats.

>>122520316
>You'd also be more focused on helping your classmates survive than your own stats.
Nope.

>>122520316
>You'd also be more focused on helping your classmates survive than your own stats.
That sounds like some sort of management sim - like, you have to get your whole harem to keep their stress down and pass their classes so they don't get expelled and you can date them all. Which could be a fun game but is not something you should just throw into an existing plot.

>>122525003

I hate people telling to pirate but jfc, Blackmonkey's games are terribly overpriced for what they are.

>>122526004
Yeah, I've paid for one thing from them and I feel like that's a sufficient donation for a while.

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So is this what gets girls juices flowing

>>122526832
well, i need to work up some juice in order to spit in contempt

>>122526832
> that anatomy
> that design
> that coloring

Ugh

There's one Spanish dev at LSF that gives off the SJW vibe.

Not to mention this one guy who jumps on everything that's set in a Japanese high school.

>>122531197
The latter sounds like a good guy.

>>122531197
The Spanish dev is Deji correct?

>>122531197
I can't think of a single dev who isn't annoying. Even when I limit myself to following people with projects I'm interested in, I end up with stupid sjw shit all over my dash/twitter.

Bonus points because 3/4 of devs seem to belong to some "opressed" group and can't shut up about it.

>>122531376
She is Chilean.

>>122531376
>>122531260

Nope. It's a guy who has two or so WIPs.

>>122531197
I can't stand LSF anymore. All the wiser devs have bailed to twitter.

>>122532949

I stay for the recruitment section... but then I get jumped on right away or outright ignored since I'm part of the "high school setting" group that doesn't preach the values of diversity, homosexuality, and social justice.

>>122533292
I check the recruitment section too but god damn they need to put in a rule stating you cant comment if you're going to mini-mod or say how you dont have enough money to afford their 10$ sprites bleh bleh

A VN about the white farmer's plight from the regime of Mugabe.

>>122516000
What game is this

>>122539637
When somebody posts a screencap that's filename is a short string of numbers, it's 99.99% likely it's a screencap from vndb, so searching "[filename] screenshot vndb" on google will get you the game.

https://vndb.org/v11526

Somebody really needs to put this in the OP.

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>>122540164
>>122516000
What the fuck.

>>122540873
I can't give an actual fuck at the ratings.

>>122540873
W-Well the sprites are very dynamic at least...

Ren'Py Engine tag was just added two weeks ago.

>>122542463
And?

>>122544135

I do remember it being denied multiple times.

>>122544394
What is it supposed to do and why denied?

>>122544893

Because back then vndb didn't allow engine tags.

>>122526004
Blackmonkey?

that sounds problematic

>>122547153
They're Asian so it doesn't count.

>>122547313
P R O B L E M
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So, "the letter" kickstarter has almost certainly failed. Any ideas on why that is? The game looked to have relatively decent art, which I thought was the main factor for getting funded these days.

>>122549019
Not a monsterboy BL story.

>>122549019
No clear audience. Nobody wants to play as both a boy and a girl. You either get the otome audience, the bishoujo audience, BL audience, or GL audience. Intermixing games very rarely do well.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/yangyangmobile/the-letter-2

RIP

>>122526832
I thought *he* was squirting rainbows.

>>122549903
Too bad

>>122531959
>Bonus points because 3/4 of devs seem to belong to some "opressed" group and can't shut up about it.
I'm horridly constipated, I can't tell you how oppressed I feel some days.

>>122549642
>Nobody wants to play as both a boy and a girl. You either get the otome audience, the bishoujo audience, BL audience, or GL audience. Intermixing games very rarely do well.
Winter Wolves and Bioware would say otherwise.

>>122549019
>Any ideas on why that is?
They raised a decent amount for a completely unknown team with an idea that's fine but lacks any immediate MUST PLAY / MUST TALK ABOUT hook.

Undead Darlings didn't succeed either. The art was cute, the concept was more focused, but they still only hit about $20K out of the $50K they wanted.

There's tons of kickstarters these days, there's no guarantees you can raise high sums.

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>>122557558
Bioware still likes to pretend they are selling rpgs though. There was also a huge shitstorm when the LIs were revealed (mostly about how they weren't all bisexual like in DA2 two).

WW is weird and since players didn't like the obviously superior Amukiki in Loren, I consider their playerbase's taste shit anyway.

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>>122560771
Careful with the perspective on the younger lad's face: his eye looks like it's seen from the profile, dead on (partly also because of the structure of the cranium that you can infer from how the hair looks), while the nose and mouth are in 3/4 from below.

I've had a stab at showing you what I mean, though it's just a 3 minute sketch in MS Paint.

>>122560771
>There was also a huge shitstorm when the LIs were revealed (mostly about how they weren't all bisexual like in DA2 two).
The shitstorm mostly means people care; at that level there was nothing they could do that wasn't going to get complaints.

Many people were outraged by having all the LIs bisexual in DA2. As a bi myself it all makes perfect sense to me, but the lesbian fans complain that it's lazy writing allowing bioware to 'recycle' the LIs without writing any REAL f/f content, and the het male players were just grossed out by the thought of being surrounded by stealth gay.

Are there more of those than there are of people who want every option available? Hell if I know.

>>122562316

It also made sense to me, since the way ME and DAI locked you out of romances was pointless (except maybe Dorian for plot reasons). It also makes sense for games where the MC's gender in not going to become relevant (no romance) or you have the budget to make them truly different stories. Imo the audience for vns is really divided so you have to have at least one "must play" element, whether it's waifus/husbandos, good gameplay, someone famous on board, etc. Just having a 'good' game isn't enough to get 30k.

I want 30 grand too.

>>122567163
I want you

>>122567248
M-Maybe we can work out a deal?

>>122549903

I'm new to this KS business. So what happened to the $15k after 5 days?

>>122568416
Goes back to the potential backers.

>>122568416
Nobody is charged until it passes. If it fails, nobody pays anything.

>>122573869
One who doesn't like eating pussy.

Why don't you fund your games through patreon? I figured it'll be easier to get.

>>122575413
Patreon is a terrible way to fund games, it's meant for people who release content on a regular basis. Games take forever! If you have a staff artist who's willing to pop out a contributor image every month then sure, but for most of us it's not really practical.

If you have the right kind of game then once it gets going you could use patreon to fund its ongoing development and updates, but most VNs don't lend themselves to that.

>>122549642
>Nobody wants to play as both a boy and a girl.
Uh, what? That's not true at all.

get the fuck in here senpaitachi

http://xxfanxofx4869xx.deviantart.com/art/Crimson-Balance-VN-PREVIEW-571912027

Checking out LSF's newest guestbook entry yields this. And yes, the dude's a furry.

>try to draw wet t-shirt boobs
>its really hard

Damn

>>122581108
Try finding some good reference images.

>>122581108
It probably depends on your style how you want to go about this, but I would draw the boobs normally (with or without bra), then only draw some semi opaque lines where the shirt doesn't adhere to the skin (how thick these are depends on how tough the fabric is - I'd make linen lines thicker than silk lines). If you like to have lines, just draw lines thinner than those on the outside of the shirt around the semi opaque lines.

For an idea of placement, >>122581405 has the right idea. Sacrifice yourself and look at a few pictures for reference on how the fabric tends to bunch up depending on the type of garment and body type.

>>122579448
I'm so fucking glad dA has implemented this age confirmation thing. Now I don't have to jump through loops to look at things marked mature.

>>122581108
Drawing boobs is hard, like, I can't think of many artist that draw nice boobs.

>>122582421
I can.

>>122582421
If WC director lets Wanaca out of his basement, then she can do a tutorial on it.

>>122582421
It really is. Its hard to get the shape right.

>>122582502
Maybe I'm easily bothered by dumb details?

>Boobs looks like globes
>Boobs are nice but they are too droopy
>Boobs are perfectly drawn, but the nipple is too tiny and reminds me of Kyubey
>Aureola is fucking huge(inb4 that's my fetish. Well! Good for you!)

>>122582726
Yeah, for example, I don't like how Wanaca draws boobs.

>>122583246
I think she's one of the better ones, and I'm talking hentai art in general, not just the slew of western stuff.

Null is one of my favorites though. Diverse and pays attention to weight and gravity.

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>>122583246
>>122583957
I love the way Nan draws boobs, they always look so plump and soft.

>>122584557
it turns me the fuck on to think there are girls that draw lewd images

>>122584865
Aren't a lot of lewd artists female? Gotta pay the bills somehow.

>>122585314
>implying they don't enjoy it

>>122560771
The savior of BL!

You have three minutes to explain why you're not making a VN on Japanese culture despite never having visited or read anything about beyond anime.

>>122587649
Don't feel like it. 1 minute.

>>122587649
But I have been to Japan. Several times. I also speak the language and well versed in world history. This is why I know that the setting is not appropriate for my story.

And the rest of the 3 minutes can be used for annoying jazz hands.

>>122587908
> well versed in world history

Ngl, I'm surprised by evn's knowledge of history everytime the subject comes up.

>>122587649
Because I don't know where to find hot japanese male models to take pictures of.

Alright, thought experiment time: You've just received 3,000 USD to put toward your project. You already have your team, and the ground-work and budget have already been figured and put in motion. How do you best distribute the 3,000 for the most effective gain for the project overall?

>>122590371
Put it all in marketing.

>>122590371
"Awareness raising".
Can't have too much of that.

>>122590371
As someone who has done that with a similar budget, get ready to blow well past 3k if you do not have an on-team artist.

>>122590371
I tell my team we didn't win the grant and pocket it all.

>>122590994
>the servant who buried his talents

>>122591761
What's with all the bible parables?

>>122590371
I buy a lot of booze and throw a morale-raising party

>>122592009
Lack of saint-fucking to expurge them.

>>122591761
>>122592009
>>122592102

JPs, please.

Regarding fucking, it'd be very convenient to have a fuckbuddy partner to do VNs with.

>>122592760
Sex and games make sexy games, after all.

So what's your budget, EVN? How do you distribute it between art/music etc?

>>122592875
It'd be very beneficial in every possible way so long as everyone was honest and equally attached/committed. Need an opposite sex model for a pose? You got your partner. Need to write good descriptions? Do the thing and ask your partner how it feels. Want to do a fetish scene? It's all fun and games if there's trust.

>>122593548
Nah, my partner and I are both far too soft-bodied to use as decent models, and trying to enact scenes together is too distracting. Useful for checking simple "is this physically possible" questions, though.

>>122586471

everytime you say that I feel the weight of all the projects I want to do...

>>122592102

> no Saint Sebastian husbando

>>122593726
>far too soft-bodied
Rooting for you chubby lovers.

>>122592760
It's hard enough to find talented creative people as is, let alone someone who wants your fug ass.

>>122593907
It doesn't necessarily have to be consensual. Kidnapped sex slave artist is kinda hot too.

>>122592919
I do the music without taking from the funds so we can dedicate nearly the entire budget to good art.

Please berate me for not getting enough writing today.
I deserve it.

>>122593907
>It's hard enough to find talented creative people as is
no it's not

>let alone someone who wants your fug ass.
also not

What is hard is finding competent people who are also at least a bit stable into this kind of thing.

>>122595001
Listen here you little bitch, you're writing right now to tell me this. You don't have an excuse and only yourself to blame for being a huge fucking failure, just like everyone thought you'd be. They might have not always said it, but they always thought it and you're proving them right. And no, you shouldn't do it just out of spite, to prove yourself to them, but because it's what you want to do even though you're too pathetic to actually do something about it, and unless you start doing something right fucking now, you'll remain a maggot with no discipline, no better than a 12 year old writing fanfics, only you're an adult and have no excuse for your behavior.

Get your shit together or just give up and die.

>>122587649
We're in way too deep now

>>122592760
Having relations with a fellow team member will never work out. I don't care how long you've been together or how mature you think you are, it will eventually suck your project down into a whirlpool of blithering insanity.

>>122595726
>eventually
Eventually we'll all be dead. I think most of you would be happy with ten years working relationship before the messy divorce.

>>122592919
Team is artist and writer/programmer. for outside art we buy backgrounds artist doesnt wish to take on, gui, and logo.

For music we do custom but are leaning towards using stock sites for 70-80% after a number of factors played in.

>>122595001
What the fuck are you doing here? And I don't mean here, on 4chan, I mean what are you doing here in life? You're wasting oxygen that someone else could be putting to good use... by writing.

But the day ain't over until you give up and put your head on the pillow. You've still got time to write.

>>122595001
Take the day off anon.
You deserve it.

>>122596441
>10 years working relationship
Just the facts two people would be getting stuff done and having (regular) sex would make it better than my last one already!

>tfw no gf
>tfw make waifu games as a salve

>>122590371
Put it all in marketing because fuck if I know how to do that shit.

>>122599331
Tell people to play your game and how awesome it is and don't care if you look retarded. Actually, try to look retarded. It'll get people talking about you.

>>122599331
Just say how much better you are than other crappy evn devs and then act surprised when they hate you.

>>122592919
Money is for plebs.

>>122596543
i always write lying in bed, with my head on my pillow...
it's cosy..

>>122605385
is it a lap pillow

>>122595356
>>122596543
Thank you.
I still didn't get as much done as I wanted to but I squeezed enough out that I don't feel the day was wasted.
I'm going to sleep and try to decide where I want to take this next scene.

>>122603279
But without money how will I buy my anime figurines

>>122605617
Any time, you punk ass motherfucker.

>>122596846
Hi Deji

hi0

>http://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=34376&p=393903#p393903

Does it weird anyone else out when someone asks for up front pay?

>>122611331
Not really? It's a partner-seeking project so they're probably expecting to pay primarily by profit-share, and some people don't want to work for totally profit-share, so they want to know if there is ANY money actually on the table. And if there isn't, a simple 'no' should suffice, surely.

>>122611331
On the "We are a Commercial Project looking for Partners" subforum, yes. Anywhere else, no, not really. It weirds me out to see full grown adults willing to do anything "for exposure" when they're not really partners in a project.

>>122611331
That person asking about up front pay is Omniknight, the kid who once decided to make a Juniper's Knot sequel whether Dischan liked it or not.

>>122611331
If by someone, you mean Jiro Horikoshi, then yes. It does weird me out. Nigga won't even show any work he's done.

>>122611698
>>122611843
Hold on, Omniknight = Jiro Horikoshi? Spoonfeed me please, I'm confused.

>>122611698
In that case his entire existence weirds me out.

>>122612034
Me too. The guy is mega creepy and I've heard accusations from a semi reliable source that he's scammed people.

>>122612004
I don't have any proof beyond some Skype logs with someone who worked with him. But I believe it. He's also behind that Studio Kazesoft bullshit.

>>122612247
Correct. I'm probably your "semi-reliable source"

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Hate Omniknight as much as the next guy but come on, this is the most bullshit way to say "we have no funds and no plan" I've seen in a bit.

>>122615698
I'm reading that as its a regular commission but worded weirdly?

>>122615698
>"we have no funds and no plan"
Its in the 'commercial proejct looking for partners' forum. No funds and no plan is a dead cert. Anyone posting projects in that forum should be immediately fired into space.

>>122616289
It's a project looking for collaborators and the guy is implying he gets the lion's share as well as the decision on who gets what, no negotiation.

>>122615698
I dunno, I wouldn't be willing to pay anyone I found on Lemma up front for writing. I would be willing to negotiate by word count, like submit X words and I'll pay Y, but I'd be extremely hesitant to pay shit up front to a writer, commercial or not.

As a writer, I don't really trust other writers not to do the stupid shit that I do.

>>122616734
>I would be willing to negotiate by word count, like submit X words and I'll pay Y,

that's just encouraging filler.

>>122616940
So then how do you suggest how to work out a deal?

>>122616940
It was an example. If I were serious about that, I would present them with an outline to follow and if they derailed too much, they wouldn't get paid for X words unless I thought the scene worked.

Even this is just the tip of the iceburg. I don't have an instance to use this kind of set up, so for now, I haven't thought much about it.

As an artist its fun to see the PSD files of people I commission. Sometimes I pick up little hints or I see how their mind works.

I dunno how these people stay so organized, though. I'm gonna assume they cleaned it up for me.

>>122616734
'up front' often means 'at all', not 'before you do the work'. when in contrast to 'you only get paid a share of profits'

>>122620737
I'm used to it in the definition of "Pay me the entire amount up front or no go" from commissioning artists a few times.

>>122621251
There are very few artists I'm willing to pay before they do the work. Not zero. But very, very few.

>>122621609
I imagine you're either well known or not working with a lot of artists, then. I would never start drawing for a project without getting paid a percentage upfront.

>>122621251
I've had to do up front before with artists but it was per asset, not a chunk.

Is there a tutorial for making sprites?

>>122623624
Do you really need one? It's not that hard. Just draw a person. If you need multiple outfits, draw them naked and draw the clothes on top.

>>122624993
No. But I'm not sure about the work flow.
Should I have a file for multiple expressions or just new sprites all the time? can they only be used when saved as png? How to decide how many you need when looking at your writing. stuff like that.

Best EVN of 2015?

don't post your own work

>>122625823
There's a Dickgirl at the End of this Book

>>122621779
Percentage is not the same as 'whole payment upfront'

>>122625823
My unreleased VN, obviously.

>>122625823
Cupid.

>>122625823
Golem's Wake :^)

>>122625941
I googled that and instead found an ebook series on Amazon entitled Dickgirl Cheerleaders.

>>122625823
Is An Octave Higher actually good? It seems to have good VNDB ratings.

>>122626301
pls

>>122627343
Best month of my life desu sempai.

>>122629853
who are you

>>122630108
You can probably guess in one try.

>>122631294
Mom?

>>122631294
AO? TJ? Z?

>>122631294
>>122631507
>>122631768
Melissa?

>>122631294
REDACTED

If you motherfuckers don't stop playing classified files, I swear to god.

>>122633851
What?

ELEVATE ME, CELEBRATE ME

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>tfw see all these close friends making vn teams together and makin games they enjoy.
>tfw seein them post skype logs havin fun together on the tweeter and timblr.
> tfw no friends in general.
Jus kill me senpai.

>>122637813
I'll be your friend, anon.

>>122637931
You want to make a game together?

>>122638553
What kind of game, anon?

>>122638827
Anything cool with interesting plot I guess, I am a little bit bias to otome and bl but bxg is more than fine with me too, but I cannot write myself. I can only do art a little bit, never tried gui design but I could see myself trying that though. What kind of game are you hoping to/making?

>>122639318
I tend to work on games with BL/GL elements more than anything else. Mostly, I write, I can bullshit my way through GUI design but I can't program it for shit.

I'm working on an obnoxiously long game right now.

Do you want The Reject Demon: Toko continued as a vn or as a comic book? Vote now at Tao's twitter.

https://twitter.com/Taosym/status/666791509086175232

>>122639849
Imo the main series should stay as a vn, unless he intends to remake chapter 0 into a comic as well. I'm fine with side stories being in comic format, but I prefer the main storyline to stay in the same medium.

>>122639663
What's the game about? Genre? Plot synopsis? I don't mind length, it would be better if a long project kept me busy anyways. I don't know shit about coding either but I think I could try learning to help with that if it is needed.

>>122637813
I can be your friend if you're into edgy political BxG things.

How can I find an incarnation of Omniknight?

>15c per word
Christ this Jiro guy is delusional. Where does he get all his bullshit from?

>>122625823
Does Black Closet count?

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>>122643979

>>122644982
Oh lawdy, this is the same guy who posted "Experienced Writer and Director for Hire ... I will not be posting samples of my work publicly or privately." What a catch. Glad we have experienced professionals like him to tell us how the industry works!

I want to make my game so good even Omni wants to make a sequel of it.

>>122645723
scriptforge pls write

>>122647070
Call it "Omniscience Fails Us".

>>122631768

I don't spell it "sempai." That ain't ballin'.

>>122645561
It's not considered a VN.

>>122625961
percentage of the asset price, rest upon delivery

>>122644982
Will some smartass please tell taleweaver his line about 'open discussion on the forum?'

>>122625427
I usually use either Sai or Photoshop or both, because each has things at which they're better:

- Use folders to organise your layers, it makes things easier (Sai's layer number limit is a bit low, though).
- I'd advise first sketching the whole cast, so you know they fit well with each other. This is more important than you might think. Afterwards you can take each of this sketches and copy them individually to their own file to ink and colour and create variations and expressions.

After I've done and got approval for my sketches I usually sketch alternate outfits and expressions on different layers so that I have the general idea down but I don't lose time with inking and colouring.

Then I just lower the opacity of the dressed sketch and create a new folder (called something like base) and draw another sketch in a different layer and colour to correct the anatomy if needed. The original sketch is usually dressed and just to work on the pose, which I want to be as expressive as possible. Adding the anatomy corrections later means that I don't get too bogged down with anatomical concerns early on and the poses hopefully don't end up too stiff.

I usually ink the hair and body on two different layers, this comes in handy later for the expressions, if you don't want the features to overlap with the hair.

Create flat colours for everything and divide things in layer folders. I usually have the Base folder (with hair and body lines and colour), the various clothes folder and the expressions folders all organised. After I laid all the flat colours (and made sure to check them against at least a dark background and a light one, possibly some shitty lime green) I start shading every flat colour on a layer grouped with it so that I don't need to worry about staying within the bounds of that colour.

Once you've shaded everything and maybe even coloured your lines (by blocking their transparency first and then simply using a brush on them) you can work on the expressions. I tend to separate the sclera (the white of the eye), the iris and the rest of the features, minus the nose which is on the base. You'll probably have the irises' lines visible under the features at times, but you can just colour the skin on a layer on top of the iris and under the features, where you'll also colour the eyebrows, shade the eyes and mouth, etc.

If you're working in Photoshop, you can use layer comps: these are rather useful as they allow you to instantly see a particular layer configuration without having to turn on the visibility for several layers if your configuration is a bit complicated (eg: you use separate features to create the expressions). You can then export the separate layer comps with a script in Photoshop so you don't have to save each PNG file separately, which saves a fair bit of time. Just remember to not let Photoshop crop the images for you, otherwise you'll have differently sized PNGs and that's bad for alignment. If you want a more detailed explanation of this let me know.

It's a good idea to keep your project files organised somewhere like Dropbox: I've mis-saved more than once and that's always saved my bum as I could go back to a previous version.

One thing to remember is that you can duplicate any layer folder (say, for expressions) so that you get to just push things around a bit if the changes you want to apply are minimal or if you want something to paint over to maintain consistency.

Also remember to send your WIP to the person who commissioned or requested the sprites frequently: more than once I've found that things looked differently on my monitor or that some of the programs I used had weird quirks (like Sai not showing as much in the way of white pixels if a flat colour doesn't get exactly to the lines, compared to Photoshop).

Aaand invisible apartment 3 is doing even worse than the letter. Anyone got any thoughts on that one? I thought the game might have a bit of a following, if meager, considering the first in the series is free, IIRC. Guess Visual Novel Kickstarters aren't as easy money as people thought, huh?

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are there any writefags here willing to help flesh out a plot for some homo rpg game?
mainly making the game for practice and fun.

I can kind of draw but can't write for shit.

>>122658732
The first one had decent-ish art, but I couldn't stand the story and from what I remember it wasn't proofread at all.

The art that I've seen on the KS page looks at best like something I'd tolerate from a free game, but nothing I'd spend money on. That coupled with how little of a fuck I gave about the first one's story (and how little it seemed to have been proofread) is the reason why I wouldn't spend a penny on it.

>>122658886
If you throw out concepts here we can bat them around with you, it keeps the thread alive.

>>122658732
>I thought the game might have a bit of a following, if meager, considering the first in the series is free, IIRC.
I think a number of people played it, since it was free, but even the free one doesn't have tons of reviews or that much positivity.

>>122659312
I was thinking of making some porn game but with monster shotas being the main focus.

I'm going to use rpg maker and customize the battle system a bit.
But the main focus is to recruit monster boys, train them, send them to scout for items/money, and beat bosses.

The battles are non-sexual but cutscenes and defeat/win scenes are sexual.

I have no idea what the story will be though.
all I can think of is the gameplay and character designs

I hope I'm not being too much of an ideas guy because there's shit I can do, but just I need help with the story part

>>122658886
> homo rpg

Good

> crossdressing

Eh...

>>122659662
how dark/light do you like your stories?

Is there a 'master' character representing the PC who recruits (and seduces) the boys, or are they just parties of boys? Do you want to get people onto your team by beating them in fights?

If you don't want to waste a lot of time on story, a simple excuse plot to get to the gameplay fast is fine: this is a School for Monster Boy Heroes, they team up and go into dungeons to try and win points towards graduation. As long as the gameplay is fun no one will care.

Possibilities for darker plots with a bit more story in them - what's the legal status of monster boys, are they slaves, are they the offspring of the PC, are they the results of the PC's mad science? Is the PC summoning monsters and sending them into the strongholds of his enemies? Are the boys fighting to the death in the hopes of gaining the right to citizenship?

>>122658886
>someone else plays homo eleven other than me
Good luck with your game.

>>122660814
more on the dark side and probably serious for some parts but none of that 'muh feels' shit, I just want a good lewd.

I think it would be cool to have a gimmick where you seduce the boys into loving you so much, they don't want to separate from you.
the boys don't have to be slaves too, they can willingly be your slave.

>>122661234
*some of the boys don't have to be slaves

like they can be nobles or knights, even princes.

>>122661234
Do you want the PC to go into combat with the boys as the rest of his party, so that he can seduce other boys he meets, or do you want the boys to overpower interesting monsters and bring them home for you to seduce separately from the combat part?

>>122661403
seduce separately

like first you either buy a monster boy
or you can convince monster boys (in higher social classes) to join you (by certain circumstances like clearing a quest).

battles go out in a non sexual way, so not like monster girl quest where the monster tries to seduce you.
you get the sex scenes through story and after defeating/losing to bosses. If you lose to a boss, you get a scene and gameover.

>>122661654
after getting your monster boy, you can interact with him and give him gifts or drug him (which leads you to a scene)
drugs are hard to get items so you won't use them alot, but you can greatly increase the monster boy's love towards you (like LP love point?)
also certain sex toys will get you to a scene (but like drugs hard to get).

also you get scenes by gaining the LP at a certain point.

if you manage to get your monster boy to fully love you, the stats of the monster boy increases a chunk as well as scenes unlock with him.

>>122658732
I think its gotten to the point that Sekai Project is likely donating to its own kickstarters. I noticed that while nobody has been donating above $350 to Narcissu, overnight 2 $1,800 pledges just happened to come in exactly at the one week to go mark.

>>122652108
>>122652646

Saved. Thank you this example was just what I was looking for.

So what's on your schedule for today, /evn/?

>>122672209
Play my steam backlog and rack up some achievements.

Oh, wait, you meant about development?

Um...

>>122672209
Drawing sprites' outfits and expressions.

I put that 3D camera in my game. It's so easy to use and has its own little interface in the game.

>>122680601
Way cleaner looking than Ren'py ATL too. Looks like the future of EVNs is panning between characters when they're speaking.

>>122681064
Maybe but I can also see it being really distracting.

>>122680601
Is it simple to implement?

>>122686910
Retardedly so. I think there's literally a walkthrough on youtube somewhere

>>122681749
Yeah, it's really distracting imo.