Vindictus General

>Alive edition
>20 minutes without a post

I should probably take the time to learn SFM to make my characters massive cocksluts.

>>122051248
hoes only care about the money

Just waiting for hair coupons to go on sale again so I can get my A R I S H A that new ponytail

>playing my arisha again after playing scythie for a week straight

Oh god I'm so slow and immobile

What character and weapon (if applicable) are generally used by cool people?

Nearly all of the bow Kais I see are likable people, if they talk at all. Second in place would be hammer Fionas.

About Ancient Glas
If I spear him and get the blue aura, do I go into the portal while its white or blue? Seems I always just fall to the floor and die

>>122057085
Karoks tend to be bros
Whenever I make a story boat titled "help" or something I usually get Vellas

>>122057372
you go into the blue portal after spearing him if you have the buff. you need a second spear.

>Date a Live
FOR WHAT REASON

>>122057517
Are they actually helpful or are they other scrublords looking for a carry?

>>122057085
Every character has their good and bad apples. If you're basing your character choice off of the type of person who plays them it doesn't actually matter. Just don't pick scythe Evie. They're universally assholes who think they're better than you.
>muh speed handicap!

>>122058143
>scythe Evie

This anon speaks the truth. I don't think I have any scythe Evie mains on my friends list after playing this for 5 years.

>>122058143
>>122058378
is scythie the most common character? Only just started a few weeks ago but I swear I see far more of them than anyone and I play it too

>>122060719
people probably started playing her more after evie's revamp

>>122060719
They recently reworked it to not be trash and now it's really strong, so people are playing it again I guess.

>>122061037
>>122061084
I see. Staff seems like it should be better endgame, is that not the case?

>>122061424
if the player knows how to play staff well then i think she out DPSes everyone

>>122061424
Staff can be pretty legit. I like it but it's kinda clunky at times and almost... too easy.

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>>122057085
>hammer fionas
y-you too

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>>122053460
It's tempting.

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>>122058143
>They're universally assholes who think they're better than you.

Y-you too.

>>122061424
Staffie is great at burst DPS, so she's a monster on raids where the boss has frequent bouts of invuln, like Lakoria. On sandbags she's beaten by scythe, Lann, Arisha and Hurk.

i feel like sometimes arisha doesn't get the reward out of the effort she has to put in to not die
her 5 hit combo makes me sad sometimes, having to do such pitiful damage to wind up to actually hit hard

>>122058143
>scythe evie in succubus queen set enters boat
>unprovoked, she instantly complains that she wants 15k def and the iset set but only has 500m
>continues to whine about not having literally everything

I don't typically believe stereotypes, especially when it comes to classes in vidya gaems, but damn.

bumpin

>>122057967
http://heroes.nexon.co.jp/campaign/tieup_teaser_dal.aspx

What do they get? I cannot read these symbols.

>>122069139
looks like another SAO type of event

>>122069486
If anime companies are still willing to do tie-ins with the game, it must still have a sizable population in Japan, huh?

>>122069139

>DAL and vindi collab

I can feel the mass shilling for the outfitters already I hope it comes to NA as well

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Kai & Vella revamp information is available

>>122074101
Sauce

>>122074119
http://forum.nexoneu.com/showthread.php?1510781-UI-Revamp-New-PVP-Tournament-Kai-Revamp


i FUCKING BET the new ui will be same shit fps eater like the current one
somehow they just simply don't want to acknowledge this shit

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>>122074101
>boring as fuck bow kai can now spin kick in long bow
>Still attacks slow as fuck
>still has the skill ceiling of a dog house
>no interesting or new mechanics to save bow

no hope, no hope...

>>122077682
>ching chong horrible google translate job

I think I'll wait for WWGW to release their translation considering that afkalmighty actually speaks both languages.

How to block Lionotus double attack as arisha? (And similar double-triple attacks from other bosses)

No matter what i do, i mostly get hit by the second one
I mean as he turns around, i begin dodge the beginning of it, and as i slide out with dodge, i get hit instantly as i come out from the dodge move

Does it need certain attack speed? Atm. I have only 19, but my level 80 weapon won't have any much more

>>122077682
GUI looks quite decent, about time they upgraded it.

>>122082504
Either dodge the first hit and block the second. Block the first hit, cancel the recovery with L, and block the second hit (Space L Space, slightly faster than two blocks in a row). Or if you're in Mana Blade and have a crystal out, block the first and use Diffusion Warp.

For other bosses, it depends on the delay between hits. If it's fast, you can just do a late block so the active frames extend to both hits. Slower ones you can block or dodge twice depending on how long the attack stays active. Worst case you can dash backwards and get out of range, but this all depends on the hitboxes. Warp is also a free dodge and you should be trying to use it off CD in Mana Blade, but you can save it for moves you have trouble with.

>>122077682
Goddamn i can't understand if this makes my TS Vella less shit or not,anyone can understand this?I'd like to go back to her some time.

>>122051248
>Somebody actually put up the free NX guide again
For what purpose?

Also, when is NA getting the battle priestess outfitter? I've been waiting almost a year for it...

>>122085209
I'm still waiting for that inner that looks like a school girl uniform

>>122085209
It might not come here, they're probably afraid of offending Christians

>>122084770
Well, I can't read Korean but to somewhat decipher the Google translate.

Input changes
>Slip Away/Backlash changed so that the input is now Dodge + Normal instead of Dodge x2
>Cross Cut now only activates with the Smash button
>Cross Stance persists for as long as you hold the button, higher rank means you can hold it longer

Blade Heart/Sword Will
>Attack speed increases with Blade Heart level
>You gain stamina from hitting enemies while in Blade Heart, higher level means more stamina
>Stamina regen is based off hit count
>Additionally, Backlash and Cyclone both will extend Blade Heart duration

Perfect Cross Cut
>Perfect Cross Cut has been added, does not consume Blade Heart levels when successful
>Requires you to be facing the enemy, same as old Cross Cut

Gale Splitter
>New SP skill, looks to be a sword throw
>Deals high damage for high SP
>Reduced SP cost if used after Perfect Cross Cut + Double Cross
>Damage increases based off Blade Heart level

Skill Rank Changes (Not sure on some of these)
>Blade Heart gets additional ranks to increase the damage bonus while in Blade Heart
>LR and LLLR skills added
>Slip Away and Double Cross ranks reduced to Rank F max
>Their damage now scales with Backlash and Cross Cut ranks respectively, no damage loss - just less AP intensive

I believe that's the gist of it. Namely this won't fix latency issues - but it should push her solo DPS to be fairly high. Unlimited Blade Heart 3 (unless you want to chain CC), stamina issues alleviated so SH isn't completely needed, and you can just spam dodge now.

>>122086891
Sounds like a mediocre revamp desu
Doesn't change her playstyle or much nor fix the issue with lag/broken skills.

>>122086891
Heh thanks,didn't really expect someone to go through all this trouble.

Some of those i figured out after rereading it a bit (like most of the input changes and that sword throwing move) but what interests me more is that Perfect Cross Cut.I used to find that having to face the boss was more fun/challenging so this gives me an incentive to use it that way again,i just hope that it won't bug out (and also that the whole latency-cross cut is fixed a bit by the time her revamp rolls out).

>>122087108
I think it's okay. It's not on par with Lann, Evie, or Karok for sure, but it still addresses a lot of issues with soloing with her.

Namely it was that new bosses didn't let you stack Blade Heart due to the constant attacks - so you'd often be stuck either not using Cross Cut or using low Blade Heart cross cuts. Both of those options used your stamina incredibly quickly so she was insanely reliant on dumping SP into SH - without the SP gain to back it up.

On top of that it became an issue where you had to pick between using SP so you didn't need to stop attacking or on using it on Typhoon - which made even sandbagging with her incredibly awkward.

I kind of wish they made Cross Cut work on unblockables (not red ones obviously), as she's the only counter based character who can't actually counter them. Fiona, Staff, and Arisha can block them; Karok and Hurk can absorb them. It's only Vella and Lynn who can't block/absorb them, and coincidentally both are on the lower spectrum of damage now.

That and I wish they'd just rework Tumult so it could crit or was consistent, the 2nd hit is just unusable in some situations and she just loses damage on some bosses due to it.

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>>122057085
hammer fionas are the coolest

>>122086891
And since I'm bored, I'll throw in Chainblade's since it's fairly short.

Blood Flow
>Hotkey skill, no SP cost
>While in Heart of Ice, ends HoI and converts remaining duration back to Cold Heart stacks
>More time left = more stacks

SP Hailstorm/Luminous Rush
>New skill allows you to spend a small amount of SP to instantly start Hailstorm without needing to wind up
>Reduces Blood Flow cooldown, could allow you to be able to refund 20 stacks if done quick enough

Glacier Breaker
>New SP skill, can be done after SP Hailstorm
>250 SP cost, a powerful attack
>Ends HoI state, regardless of time remaining

Blade Dance
>New skill, 250 SP cost
>Can be used from Ice Breaker or hotkey
>Can be repeated by spending more SP and mashing the smash key
>Has high SP regeneration and builds cold heart stacks quickly

I'm not totally sure on the SP Hailstorm part, but the Google Translate is especially bad there.

>>122087493
Aren't these just the preliminary patch notes though? She could get buffed before the final release, much like how Lann was changed a few times.

>>122086891
The Blade Heart and Perfect Cross Cut are enough to make me pickup my Vella again

>>122089210
Pretty much, this isn't even on KR Test yet. Most of the time they adjust things based off feedback there.

The main problem with that is anyone hoping for a latency fix on Cross Cut is out of luck given the quality of Korean internet making it a relative non-issue.

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>>122057085
Karok is Solaire Tiered.
Fiona and Staff Evie are Nee-Chan Tiered.
Hurk is Horny Gorilla trying to get digital (dude) pussy Tiered.
Lann is Cool Dude tier, but only if he's traveling with another Lann.

Everyone else is like a neighborhood roaming cat. They may follow you for more love, they may pretend to ignore you while you pet them, they may claw your hand and run away because you popped their personal bubble. Regardless, they won't remember you after 10 minutes unless you somehow become their Senpai.

Oh, and Arisha is a wild card. Given 90% of the active playerbase has Arisha as their New Main/Second Character or Beyond.

Kai dump. I'm still working off Google Translate, so this is just a placeholder until afk does a proper one.

>XGun

Bug Fixes
>Fixed direction input issues
>Should fix the issues with rolling the wrong way

Existing Skill Changes
>Hunting Party buffed so that it gives the user a move speed buff
>Intended to make it viable for selfish use
>A&D now activates from 15% or lower (from 10%)
>A&D uncapped to Rank 6
>Headshot now applies to XGun

>Can manually adjust which key Revolver skills are located on

Bunker Buster
>Hold skill, throws a bomb that stuns target, then fires a powerful shot

Explosive Charge
>T1 skill, has been placed onto Hotkey 2 in Reolver Stage 1
>Manual adjustment was added in case you want to move Hunting Party back to 2
>Explosive Charge grants the Atomic buff which alters smash properties

Atomic
>Damage boost for all explosive skills increased
>Can do a followup after Hollow Shot by pressing normal attack, pierces
>For piercing attacks, each tick is now more powerful than the last
>Perforate was hardly ever used, so they buffed it so that it'll be good on long targets

I'm not totally clear on if Atomic is a duration buff or a one use buff. Also not sure if Perforate buffs are universal or just during Atomic. Lastly not sure if Atomic boosts Six Shooter or nuke, it only mentions explosives.

>Bow

General Ideas
>Attempted to divde the bow's roles
>Longbow for bossing, shortbow for trash and for survival when shit hits the fan

Longbow
>Charge time reduced for regular shots
>Adjusted Stamina costs and SP gain, buffs for both
>Charge is maintained while dodging
>Can use Gale Kick after dodge while on longbow

Fatal Arrow
>1000 SP hold skill
>Must be aiming at boss for it to land

Rain Stinger
>Active skill
>Allows you to dodge while aiming Magnum

They specifically mention that they're going to do more work on Bow Kai once he hits Test Server.

Hm, with the 3 new updates I'm noticing a bit of a trend.

They state that Karok's update won't be done in a single update, and now are also mentioning Kai and Vella will be balanced in the Test Server.

I hope they hold off releasing these content updates in the west till they are finalized. Well, on second thought, it would be more work so they probably will. I guess it doesn't mater regardless, ages are still ages.

>>122089471
>The main problem with that is anyone hoping for a latency fix on Cross Cut is out of luck given the quality of Korean internet making it a relative non-issue.

There are still times where I'd full stack cross cut and get hit out of it immediately while soloing (Sound effect + damage to enemy and SP gained). It's rare, but it can still bug out to attacks that don't have special rules against cross cut in 0 ping situations. I'm hoping they'll at least address those cases.

>>122086891
>you can now chain dodges without accidentally triggering slipaway
>you can now freely dodge out of cross stance
Literally the only changes that matter, making crosscut considerably less clunky and allowing for more evade options. Infinite blade heart is icing on the cake.

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>>122086891
neat
I assume perfect crosscut is a timing thing like perfect guard?

>>122096849
There's nothing stating there's a timing requirement, I think it only requires you to be facing the target.

There could still be a timing requirement - but I'd wait for a real translation for that info.

Why don't they give all the heroes an offhand item?

>>122099005
Cause everyone who doesnt have one either dual weilds or 2-handers.

>>122099516
Evie uses 2handers, plus it can be something like weapon chain or something, just for stats

>>122099687
Evie doesn't use an offhand though? Aren't Arisha and Fiona the only two who do?

>>122100178
http://vindictus.gamepedia.com/Spell_Book

>>122084318
Thanks, will try those with tomorrow's raid resets

>>122100367
>http://vindictus.gamepedia.com/Spell_Book
>accessory

>>122099005
Karok: wrist bracers
Kai: arrow/bolt quiver
Lynn: oriental fan, or sash maybe
Hurk: shoulderguard?
Lann: no idea, weapon coating or something
Vella: vibrating dildo

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>>122101164
how new r u?

>>122101870
Pretty new I guess. Still, unless it's giving those characters significant stat advantages over others I don't think it's a problem. It's like people wanting Hurk and Arisha's skill caps to raise, they do great damage at rank A so why give them rank 6 just for the sake of it?

>>122102074
Arisha is middle tier in damage after all the revamps

>>122102464
Someone has to be middle tier. At least she isn't Lynn.

>>122099005
>>122101298
Speaking of off-hands,does Hagie have one?

>>122102668
>Anon, in charge of balancing at Devcat

Why does the final boss of Ben Chenner Entrance have a homing unblockable attack? Is every character even capable of avoiding that without using a long CD SP immunity frame?

>>122103757
If you mean the one that runs up to you and hits you and can be avoided.The moment he flashes you'll see a ring coming out of him,you just have not to move.

>>122104301
...oh. So you just stand still, or you move until the right moment and stand still?

>>122104792
When you see the circle, you stop moving
when he is done with his attack, you can move

>>122104858
Huh. Well, thanks.

How do people figure this stuff out? Who sees a boss running at them with a red flashing attack and thinks 'I'll stand perfectly still'.

...does it have to do with the fact that he's blind?

>>122105131
Well,he does fit into the whole "blind-swordsman" cliche.I guess it's a matter of just trying things out.

>>122105131
>sends shockwave
>stop moving
>blind boss
I wonder, does it?

>>122105357
golly anon you're so smart

>>122105131
If he starts running at you then you already failed. When you do it right he won't target you at all.

Can these buffs save Vella from the dumpster tier?

>>122108925
nothing can save her from being the cum dumpster

>>122105131
>>122108470
You get a debuff if he marks you. You can use this as an indication that you fucked up and better be prepared to dodge since this debuff comes up before you glow orange and before he chases you.

>>122111843
>better be prepared to dodge
and by this I mean, move the fuck away from your party members so you don't get them caught in the attack. Fuck.

The shitty thing is with Callidus is that it counts your recovery animation from your last smash as moving around, even if you haven't pressed WASD for over a second. It's difficult for hammer Fiona especially because those recovery animations are very long, I can hardly get them to stop in time.

>>122088382
what the fuck is the point of these? do they not know CB vella is gated by stam not her stacks gimmick?

>>122086891
swords got the better end of the deal, though we'll have to see how much damage gale splitter does since it seems to be the designated SP dump skill

>UI improvements

Are they gonna allow us to put duplicate items on both slot bars? I swear this is the only thing I want

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>2 maint extensions

Hello darkness my old friend...

So I just found out that 70-80 armor are unisex now, so male characters can wear for example Noblesse Witch and so on.

What was the point of this change? And how do set bonuses for these armor work? Can you wear a mix of male and female sets to get two sets of bonuses?

When they say S1 can carry you all through the first 60 levels do they mean just the main quests or the sub ones as well?

>>122119382
They just enabled most of the stuff to wear if char had a model to it already
Set bonuses doesn't work together, i guess
Int sets on male chars, it's maybe more about Haggy

There are some sets what were wearable by some female chars only (for ex. Chiulin, Frosthear hunter), but not all, now those chars can get the set title from it too

>>122115708
This desu senpai. That's why I go large shield+hammer. If I get caught, I can at least use iron defence to minimize that unblockable damage

>>122119660
I don't know, but some subquests give really good xp, s1 rocheste final subquests give 500k each, and some of them so simple, like deliver 1 titan leather, etc
I remember when dungeons still gave 200-250k, these was good to boost some on the xp bar compared to those

>>122118143
smug dog

>>122103000
Evie's spell books
also he uses Arisha's accessories

>>122120675
Pretty sure he has no offhand.

>>122115708
Noice

That explains why he gots my Evie most of the time, and my Fiona has no probls with it

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post cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QohOHbtz7V0

Are those damage pots over there so powerful?Like,holy fuck...

>>122123565
God chainsword vella looks so mind-numbingly boring.

A first look on some of TS Vella's changes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow107RRbZfU

Have to say,i really like the afterimages when she uses her moves.

>>122123083
>Tumblr slut
>There is a picture she posted with cum on her lips
Yeah no

I wish I were a cyoot Fiona irl desu

>>122126519
>>There is a picture she posted with cum on her lips
What?

>>122126519
Who Sanitee?

>>122125398
>Those way over the top special effect when xcutting a bunch of mobs
Not even Arisha is that flashy

Other than that i wonder what that "i-throw-my-sword-and-catch-it" skill is about.
Too fancy for a dodge imo. Doesnt seem to be doing alot of damage so i guess it does some special buff ?

>>122125398
I'm surprised they actually gave her an extra animation for perfect double cross. Also at 1:02 it goes from BH2 to BH3 during a double cross, no idea why.

Also seems like BH3 CC is ~7k and Gale Splitter is ~12k (3k x4). Actual gap might be larger, but seems like Blade Will CC spam is still going to be more optimal.

Plus 2 stam per hit at BH3, so full connection Tumult is going to regen around 16 stam while using ~28. Finally won't be out of stam after 6 of them.

>>122130132
Vella's effects have been like that forever, the Cross Cut hit effect is per enemy so it looks crazy on trash mobs. Just nobody does maps with trash mobs and nobody ever plays Sword Vella.

Gale Splitter does more than a BH3 CC does, so it's pretty good considering you'll only be using it after Perfect CC which means it's 150 SP. It'll probably be the non-sandbag SP dump while Typhoon will perform better on sandbags.

For the bingo are the rewards cumulative? Like if I complete 8 bingos, do I get the fox ears plus the sealed scroll the ap capsule and individual line rewards, or do I just get the fox ears.

>log in to East server
>don't recognize any of the names of online guild members
Help

>>122130132
>>122131197
Also,i saw a video of her in Muir and that new sword-throwing move gave her invuln during his red punch.

Here,found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IleQhYAALxw&nxid=15

>>122134357
shut up faggot

Sitting at level 81 with lvl 60 armor and a lvl70 weapon. Should I wait until 90 to upgrade armor? I'm thinking I at least need an 80 weapon so I can actually participate in 70-80 raids. However pretty much anything can kill me if I'm at less than 5000HP in one hit.

>>122134604
>HUD is now customizable
NA WHEN!?

>>122137114
I think it's completely new,it came along with the Kai/Vella revamps so it's pretty far i'd say.

>>122136357
Get at least an 80 wep, if you're too jew to buy armor too then just git gud and you'll be fine

>>122131197
>I'm surprised they actually gave her an extra animation for perfect double cross. Also at 1:02 it goes from BH2 to BH3 during a double cross, no idea why.
I think it get a BH level cause after the perfect cut she uses her new skill and not double cross (it seems that after a perfect cut you can chain that new skill with less sp cost).

The more i look at her revamp the more i dig it desu.

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SILKY SMOOTH

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post delicious thighs

>>122141862
2smooth4me

needed better texture, but now almost like plastic

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>>122126519
>>There is a picture she posted with cum on her lips

things getting interesting

So what do I do to not be worthless as a new level 90 with minimal funds and garbage gear? Farm up and sell orange shards and shit?

>>122148580
Yes, also +10 an 80 wep

>>122148869
Better than a +10 purple 90 wep?

>>122141839
That's not the case, the video uses the new skill after Perfect CC starting at 2:30, which is completely different from the new animation. But the one at 2:20 (non-perfect) uses the current animation.

>>122150104
if the essence/feather is orange then no.

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>page 10
>last post was almost 2 hours ago

Sure is ded in here

>>122141862

>butterface vella

So basically from what I see with the past face changes, devcat wants to kpop the entire vindi cast.

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whens revamp

>>122141862
I can't tell the difference other than fixing those awful pixelated textures.

>>122161884
>I don't know what changed other than the thing that changed

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>>122162948

>>122160148
>cocktail heels
>exposed toes

literally ruined

Is Laghodessa still the fastest place to grind AP?

>>122164006
No, ez mode raids

STANDING

Good night sweet Lynn

>>122123565
>that new SP move builds like 20 stacks by itself
shit, cat's actually useful for vella now

>>122088382
YES FUCK YOU LAKORIA AND YOUR BURROWING SHIT

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>>122169370
whens revamp

>>122170016
dead people don't get revamps

>>122125398
>Spam smash 1 while waiting for counter

Almost as yawn inducing as Cestus Karok revamp.

>>122171486
Meant for:

>>122134604

>>122162948
Geometry was altered very slightly at the brow and the nose. Only a trained eye could really see it though. It's basically the same.

>>122150104
Don't make a purple +10, it will reset when you upgrade main material to orange. Keep purple at +6 or +7.

>chain vella revamp

the real revamp would be removing her from the game

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>Night of the "Darn"ed Events
Sometimes I wonder if this game is run by the same type of people who run christian day of defeat servers, but I suppose the most logical answer is that Nexon must live up to it's reputation of having the most insufferable possible staff no matter how illogical it may be

>cant find a proper program to replace hideallIP after the trail is over
>all "cracked" downloads are bullshit

send help ;_;

>>122183034
perfect!

>that date though

>>122180326
anyone?

i have free vpns and cracked clients but its not the fucking same.
being able to just bypass loging and use my own connection with that program was the best thing ;_;

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Whats the best way to use lynns sp?
I see so many lynns doing different things
>jade fox+2 long armed devils+flying snow
>10 stacks on boss already+jade fox+flying snow
>just straight up flying snow
>some other weird combos

can best slut revamp save this game?

>>122191659
Why not test things out yourself? I personally do the long arm till I have like 50 sp then finish with snow for extra knockback

>>122191659
Depends on the Situation. Though, jumping straight into Flying Snow after activating Jade Fox is actually the worst possible thing you can do.

The amount you can Spam and Star Bonus > Flying Snow SP Scale.

>>122191659

Personally, I keep jade fox as a safety net when I'm near death despite gimping my total damage.

However, I do 10 stacks > jade fox > iron flag if ranged or 5 finger if close range, after that it depends on whether I'm in within range or not

If close range: little rat > killer dart > long arm devil x2 full > long arm devil for two swings > flying snow

If out of range, and you have wind step: wind step > double guillotine > long arm devil x2 full > long arm devil for two swings > flying snow

If out of range and you don't have wind step/wind step bugs out: close in on boss > divine spear (5 stacks when all hits) > long arm devil full > long arm devil for two swings > flying snow

If you have a succ fang and you need hp, just pop it before using jade fox and unless you're extremely out of range, you should be able to get back to full hp 1/2 way through the combo.

The reason why I only long arm devil two swings in the combos is mostly because the first and third swing makes you go into a stance after the swing that can't be canceled out with little rat/thunder leg, whereas the second step you can go into flying snow right after the swing animation ends.

>love the combat
>love the story
>love the graphics
>love the design
>love how unique every character is
>cant stand repeating the same damn thing for the 5th time

somebody please, how?


also please >>122180326

>>122197368
>cant stand repeating the same damn thing for the 5th time

what, leveling a 5th char?

>>122197637
yeah

raids i dont mind because people are different and shit either goes smooth or a total kekfest.

but releveling? fuck that. same story, same progression. i cant man.

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>>122197720
maybe don't have to
there is a lvl75 box in the last datafiles

guess it comes with haggy maybe
although there is a good chance it will be a 20k NX box or something like that

>>122199639
This pot annoys me,it reminds me of all those people that suddenly reached the boat reqs and don't know how to use their characters because s3 made it easy for them to get 18k+.

I don't mind leveling new characters cause it gives me a first taste of how they're used.Also,with how they remodeled the first 2 seasons leveling is much easier.

>>122199639
Level jump options never sat right with me, it's basically them admitting "hey our leveling experience is boring as shit, now go do end game raids".

>>122201863
Eh, the leveling experience isn't so bad if you're new...

It's also them admitting 'We know plenty of you who still play this game after 5 years spend a shitload of your disposable income on it and don't want to level characters anymore, so please throw 20$ at us for a free level 75'.

>>122197368
>not leveling up your character just so you can play dress up with them
baka senpai

>>122206462
That's why I always get every char to 60 and leave them. Seriously, the titan/colru armors are always the best.

why are spear Lanns such tryhards?

>game is filled with some really creative and beautiful armor designs
>everyone has fused their armor into the plainest, skimpiest clothes possible and/or dyed it obnoxious neon colours

every time

>>122207336
Welcome to the MMO player demographic, made up of mostly ignorant children or neckbeards with loads of autismbux.

>>122207336

>majority of playerbase is either a bunch of casuals, neckbeards, nerds, and a splash of fags


This must be your first mmo right?

>spent the last 2 and some hours doing raids with strangers
>it was beyond fun and i learned about game mechanics for the future
>some spoilers sadly but worth it

and il probably never experience it again +JDIMSA

>>122207336
This is why I never get tempted to spend $$$ on vanity items in MMOs. More often than not I enjoy the "boring" original armor designs more than the shitfest of other stuff. Always the odd one out in groups.

>>122202270
>Eh, the leveling experience isn't so bad if you're new...
It's pretty bad since every single friend I've tried to get into the game quit since it was such a slog from level 1-60. The biggest problem is that there's literally no one to run maps with and each 'episode' has the exact same repeating rooms with the exact same enemies and if they're feeling particularly lazy, literal reskins of both from previous boats with different colours. At least in a traditional MMO you're moving from place to place and exploring the world.

>>122213012
Yeah, I guess the low population really kills it.

None of my friends want to play the game anymore but I might try to recruit them again when Hagie comes out since we can at least level together.

>>122192643
The only thing that can save this game is new and meaningful content, but I'm pretty sure this game is already on its way out the door for Nexon NA.

>>122208972
I only do raids with PUGs now since /vg/ guilds are either full of terrible people or elitist tryhards who spam f3 every time you die.

It's always nice to see PUGs in awe of you soloing the raid or taking top DPS.

>>122213265
I don't think adding new content can save the game considering they've been doing that and it's still dying.

It's just so completely daunting to start out in the game with no money and having to grind through the leveling process and then be literally 1/10th the power level of an established level 90 once you finally do hit max level.

And even not knowing that, just not enough people know about or want to play the game it seems. That or the new players aren't staying long.

>>122213265
Maybe but NA is hosting some games that are even more dead than this. We'd have to see them go first.

>>122213889
>I don't think adding new content can save the game considering they've been doing that and it's still dying.
They need to advertise along with the new content. No one even knows Vindictus exists anymore and if they do, they'll only have knowledge of it from like 2010. Nexon NA simply stopped advertising the game and it will die because of that and their jew practices. The exact same thing happened to DFO, if you'd recall.

The problem for new players is that early S1 bosses are way too easy and die in two hits, especially for Hurk, Arisha, and revamped classes. Why bother with learning attack patterns and applying your techniques appropriately when you can just facetank and outlast the boss?

>>122217139
>The problem for new players is that early S1 bosses are way too easy and die in two hits

You're talking about new player from an old player's perspective.

There's no way in hell a newbie who's still learning can take on blood lord, lagho, and klaus. They'd need at least a 4-man team.

Hell, red ruins is still a heck of a challenge.

>>122218451
>You're talking about new player from an old player's perspective.

I think hes talking about the hundreds of garbage bosses in between them.

>>122220123
Then he's even dumber, since you never really had to learn patterns for most of the old bosses because they were dumb as fuck.

>Run away when it attacks
>Run back in when it's recovering

You're not forced to gitgud at all except for a few bosses like Blood Prince and the raids.

This isn't even addressing the fact that it's simply NOT FUN playing by yourself in constant rehashed content.

I went over to BnS for a few weeks while Vindictus had the issues with the launcher and even though I found the combat to be shit, just being able to explore the world, run into random players and party up with them, and watching actually good story cutscenes made me care more about the world/story/game than Vindictus ever made me.

>>122222481

I used to watch new players get fucked up constantly by random bosses like Scar, Rampage, Duke, there are dozens of older bosses that used to actually have a chance to kill people. The problem is this game has received too many core changes like the potion limit being nonexistent and getting knocked down no longer being an issue. Add in all these retarded overpowered characters, the reworks buffing every older character to ridiculous DPS and i-frames all over the place and you have 60 levels of mind-numbing button mash garbage that sets an awful first impression.

The fact that once you are done with that you then get to sit by and do fuck all damage in Rocheste and Colhen raids while level 90s destroy the boss in 3 minutes for you just makes it that much worse. The only choice after that is to grind all the way to 90 and slap on some shitty regina gear so you don't get kicked from every other S2 boat for having garbage stats.

>>122224489
Except you still get kicked for having garbage stats because you need to enchant a level 70, 80, or 90 weapon well past the point of it being able to break a couple times in order to even reach 18k, and sometimes people want more than that. A new player can't afford that shit.

The powercreep at high level in this game is way too extreme, coupled with the low population, is hurting it a lot. A higher population would fix a lot but it doesn't seem to be happening.

>>122225641

Yeah, I wasn't even referring to the 18k boats and all that. The average boat without any requirements put up will still usually kick some fresh player sitting on 14-15k, especially if its Kraken or Bark.

Players seriously need to get push for Nexon to lower the price of enchant runes. With how crucial enchanting is to getting yourself geared for endgame nowadays asking a new player 9 dollars to prevent their only weapon from breaking is ridiculous. I honestly can't believe we still get new players with shit like that and the $32 outfits giving you 500 attack.

>>122225641
>>122226668
Stat elitism happens because the game itself encourages the behavior. S2 and S3 bosses have a ridiculous amount of defense for new players. You can't really blame somebody for kicking a 14k character at Kraken since he won't be doing any damage. Why not just lower the defense on bosses and make them much more aggressive to compensate?

>>122226668
They should probably be way cheaper, or there should more ideally be a way to grind them out in-game (reasonably) so the game doesn't seem so horrifyingly pay2win. That or make enchanting easier. It certainly is a problem.

>>122228782
Yeah, I think the game is flawed in the sense that a person wearing fresh, not heavily enchanted gear of their level is actually sort of undergeared for content... or at least hard modes. It was especially bad when you were trying to do S2 in level 70 gear cause all 80 gear was absolutely impossible for a new player to even contemplate achieving.

It's obviously too late to fix any of this anytime soon but to be honest the stat caps for everything are way too high and the gear is way too shitty when unenchanted. It gives a lot of progression but so much of it is unachievable, and it's not fun to spend weeks or months trying as hard as possible to pull 6% damage on a boss while a Lann shits out 30% with ease because he has capped everything (and probably got to that state a week after the last update because he has 100 billion gold across 3 accounts and has had that since his second year of playing...)

I dunno. This game wouldn't last if there wasn't a lot of grinding because there are only so many boss fights you can do, so I would never suggest all the rng and whatever be removed... but it's currently way too polarizing. Players shouldn't be as strong as they are.

>>122229794
Ouch. I just started playing last week because I really enjoy the combat. I'm realistic and not expecting to reach endgame in a month or two playing casually, but still kind of disheartening to hear.

>>122230352
Finding a guild/group of players to play with can alleviate some of the problems - they aren't going to kick you for not having good gear. In theory there's plenty of options for grinding out money you can do with lower gear to try and make money, and you can always get lucky drops. The one thing you'll have to deal with early on is always getting shit on in the damage charts. There are so many people running around with capped stats on the best characters that you can't hope to compete, so just strive for surviving and getting good uptime on the bosses.

S3's gearing system has improved the situation a lot. You can get a full set of low/medium level 90 gear for cheap and its about as strong as level 80 gear, though level 80 weapons are better than all but the best 90 weps (they've gotten cheaper too actually, and are obtainable with seals fairly easily, probably your best option starting out if you can). It's a step in the right direction, certainly way better than S2's gear progression which was asinine.

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>>122142038

So I'm a new player, currently at level 35. I saw these 16 player raid things, and since there was one that said level 20 or above, I thought I could check it out. So I hopped into the map to wait some players to join, and a lvl 90 guy joined. First thing he said was "what the fck is wrong with you". I tried to explain him that I'm new and I'm not really sure what's going on and just wanted to see what this stuff is all about, and what does he answer? "I get it you are a faggot teenager noob fuck you" and then he left. Still no idea what I was doing wrong, I guess those raids are only for max level characters or? Yeah, seems like a really nice community.

>>122236816
Classic MMO reception. Expecting new players to have just as much knowledge as you who has been playing for much longer.

>>122236816
Sounds like he was some sort of broken English/incredibly young retard. That's not normal behavior.

Anyways, those 16man raids are 16man versions of existing 8man raids you unlock much later. They're often pretty laggy and almost nobody ever does them anymore, don't worry about them.

>>122236816
He was a fucking retard don't worry about it

Also
>>122237886
The hell you on about? they're fucking fantastic exp when they actually get going it just takes forever and a half because most everyone is max level already.

>>122240229
... I said they're laggy and nobody does them anymore, where did you find a problem?

what is haggie's secondary weapon? spell books/mana crystals or something new?

>>122242126
he might not have one.

>>122241518
Only with you saying to not worry about them because they're good exp for his level, Otherwise I agree

>>122242483
>good exp

By the time you wait for this shit to fill, you can do a dozen other runs that can net you more exp.

>>122128739
>>122129146
>>122146136
http://41.media.tumblr.com/632cb7e1a4e0abefc173b032238e06aa/tumblr_nxl5l28fgs1rvumgmo1_540.png

>>122246532
You can do runs while you're in queue for it duder, and when it hits 16 people just join it.

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Goodnight bump, /vg/.

+sleepy

>stuck on story quests at level 65 because every quest is for a raid

am I supposed to be able to solo these? Klaus seems beatable solo but I had trouble doing titan even with a high level friend..

In other news why do people make open boats for random 60 raids and then kick half the people that join?

>>122253453
Do them on easy mode.

>>122253453
Some people just want to do raids with friends only or solo and are too lazy/forget to put it on private

>>122253543
wow, I had no idea it would be THAT much easier on easy. Thanks anon

>>122254816
Yeah easymode allows you to shit on literally any raid in the game, but the rewards are severely reduced so only do it if you cant find a group (or want to farm AP).

Do people use skill awakening a lot? it seems pretty legit, like you could get basically 10% damage, but you'd need to farm so many waking stones to keep all the awakenings charged up.

>>122256404
Depends on how often your class uses those skills.

With Lynn, I have to refresh after every 2~ raids :^(

I just started playing vindictus again after a 2 month break. Im a Vella player and it seems like the yellow bar under my stamina fills up slower, am i imagining this or was it part of an update?

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>>122259669
Pretty sure it was always like that.

>>122256404
>>122256548
Yeah, Arisha's Arcane Flurry goes down real fast

I pretty much only use Insane Reaper cooldown and Ruin Blade knockdown since I only use em a few times per raid

>>122256404
well the the low prices on the lowest tier stones that refill 30 points for one its not really hard to keep it filled, though you may to look at the prices, because with the higher tier ones you get a higher refill.

>>122261432
THey used to be dirt cheap back when the population was decent in S3E1
Now the marketplace is a ghost town

>>122256135
reduced as in you get fewer drops or the loot table is actually worse?

>>122264575
Both i think?At least for s2 raids.I did get a solid scroll from easy-modoing a colhen raid (siglint i think).

These chinese outfits are so ugly

>>122268556
I hope we get a nice one next week (with Hagie).

Anybody knows a battle without the "intro text" with the battle name?

(so it's possible to press 2x "-" instantly and restart for halloween map part)

>>122274898
*altough nvm, I alt-tab out for the restarts and loading anyway

>>122236816
Really the Polar Bear and the Spiders have normally had parties available for me, but the dragons are a pain in the ass to assemble a team for. Afternoon-Early Evening is pretty much the only time 24-mans become remotely viable.

And don't worry about the harassers. They're likely social rejects with no life skills.

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what is this sorcery

>>122279762
Wow, they actually put the Vindictus servers into the game.

We have to go deeper.

>>122279762
I once saw a 20+ kobold bow.

>>122264575
>>122267716
Drop table is the same for s1, you just get less cores. I've gotten eye of mana from ezmode titan and ring from thor

>>122277202
>>122236816
Wednesdays are your best bet to find a group since thats when the weekly limit resets

>log in after 3 months break to check events
>main is naked at login screen
>freak the fuck out thinking I've been hacked
>it was just a display bug with the unisex armor thing
fucking nexon

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>>122280724

>>122273360
>next week
anon...

>>122281393
must been a similar item command trick, although i didn't know you can manipulate item name display in such way

and +15 kobold bow seen a real one, guy must been really bored

>>122285458
>anon...
Please let me dream.

>>122287714
Next update is 09/12

>>122288078
How do you know?Not doubting you,just curious.Also just noticed what nexoneu did at the site...

>>122289635
The date the new inner gets removed from the shop, also the date on which all events end

>>122292351
>also the date on which all events end
>mfw i'm on EU and all we have is that shitty halloween coin event

This one ends at the 18th here (according to the store) but yeah,more likely that we get Hagie near Christmas.

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>>122293181
>we get Hagie

i have read "wet Hagie" for a moment

no homo

>>122294258
There's nothing homo about wanting to "wet" Hagie.Just wait for the glorious moment he hits the game and the servers fill with slutty Hagies everywhere,it'll be glorious.

After killing a boss is there a way to get the ending card and loot to come up faster? What is it loading that takes it so long, or is it intentional?

>>122296325
You can type /leave after you kill the boss.

>Bingo event gets restricted to 80+

B T F O
T
F
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>>122296319
>slutty Hagies everywhere

just no, them hurks and kais are already enough in those angel wings and other gay oufits

>>122297409
Wasn't already 60+? 80 isn't that much of as stretch.

>>122296325
wait until the message pops up in the chat with the stuff you got, and press "-" 2x on keypad after it, then you can press the Return to town button in the background (under the party names list)

/leave works too, but if you type it before getting the loot, that's same as if you had forfeited the battle

best place to buy gold?
or should I listen to that channel 1 bot?

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>>122298770
>buying gold
My little sister can't be this shitter


at least do by selling NX to people then

>>122297037
>>122298686
Thanks, I'll try these. Are the oaths and bonus missions worth the time to do as I go through battles, or should I just ignore and come back to them later?

Are tricky enchant scrolls worth shit on east?

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>yuropoor version of Vindictus is pretty much dead, yet Nexon still didn't shut it down
>Tera's Steam version gets locked down, leaving Yurop with fucking Gameforge of all the publishers

Why are we getting treated like this? Should I blame the cyka blyats?

>>122301847
yup, shit

its not that bad of a scroll but no on one ever wants it

>>122305461
I figured, 150 def and +1 crit chance didn't seem that great when its shields only.

>game is buggy as hell after update
>bingo is restricted to level 80

It's like Nexon actively tries to push me away from this game.

>>122302981
if tera's combat was even half as good as vindictus that would have been a hell of a game

>>122309529
The melee classes are okay, the ranged ones are shit

>>122260179
>>122256404
Just got back in the game and last time I played, Vella was brand new. What the hell is skill awakening?

>>122299238
Current NX exchange rate for anywhere outside of the US is too much of a hassle.

Buying gold directly is cheaper and more efficient.

>>122298770
what server?

>>122311826
Level 90 maps drop tiems you can attempt to apply to abilities.
Example: Damage Boost (2-10%): pump in 30 erg crystals to get a like 50% chance to add x% damage to ability for the nest 700 uses. Pump in other awakening stones to recharge.

>>122301338
Oaths give bonus xp, so do the oath that gives the most. Bonus missions give extra gold. I wouldn't really bother doing them unless you're low on cash or are anal about maxing the points from missions.

>>122313885
east but I might buy for my west Hurk too

Best mission to farm Fast ES?It wasn't Gatekeeper of the Catacombs right?

>>122317219
i do give a begger a coin for fast

>>122317294
Ok thanks anon.

+shy

>>122298308
>Not wanting naked twinky Hagies everywhere
Goddamn we're filled with faggots here.

Oh boy I finally got a level 90 weapon time to-

>paradise enhancement stones

dear lord where do I farm these it's going to cost me 100m just to +8 this shit

>>122322617
Buy pre-enhanced and save yourself the trouble.

>>122323042
>buy pre-enhanced

If only I had hundreds of millions of gold.

Absolutely new player here (it's still installing), is there any character that performs well enough without having to shell out tons of gold?

>>122329080
No, it doesn't work that way. If you want to min/max you need to shit out assloads of gold on every character. That's just how the game is.

>>122323042
>le buy pre-enhanced/enchanted meme
Show me a +10 orange weapon that's reasonably priced.

I haven't seen one in over a month.

>>122329254
Alright, is there any tier listing of characters somewhere?
Going from what's been posted, Lynn seems to be a shit, and posterboy Lann is probably good enough to entice unsuspecting folk such as myself into continuing to play even once the fun begins to wear off.

Big twitch streamer guy is gonna play Vindictus soon, will he be able to bring the game back to life

>>122329742
everyone is good and everyone can perform without spending lods of money considering money wont save you from being a retard who cant dodge. You just might not top the damage chart, but again. Undergeared that can actually play > goldbuying seal dispensers

>>122329742
Roughly my impression seems to be that Sword Vella and Lynn are garbage, Evie, Hurk, and Lann are very good. Karok is going to be good soon, all other characters are decent?

To be honest you should try to play something you'll enjoy, don't worry too much about what tier it is. They all get buffed eventually, powercreep is real.

What's a better place to farm iron ores? Ortel Castle or S2 shit

>>122329742
Tiers generally go
>Lann
>Evie
>Hurk/Arisha
>X-gun Kai, DB Vella
>Sword Fiona
>Sword Vella
>Lynn/Karok(for now)

Fuck if I know where hammer fiona goes though. Probably between hurk and kai thanks to shield deflect. I also haven't played most of these characters so its a lot of hearsay.

>>122330307
Literally iron ores, or superiors/exquisites?

>>122331047
oh yeah sorry, superiors/exquisites

>>122331861
S2 or Boat 6 stuff. Ortel gives way more copper and shit than iron.

>>122331861
I think twilight desert and ship graveyard both have ore spawns in the first/second room you can repeatedly run up to, bomb, and then restart the mission.

What the fuck do I even do with all this nightmare candy and shit? I've gotten this pumpkin kobold thing 3 times now.

Why the fuck is some fag with 15k viewers streaming vindictus?

>>122329803

Alright he's not bring the game back to life, it's hurting me to watch him play it

>>122334176
probably because vindi early game is literal shit

>>122334417
It always baffles me how devcat seems afraid to touch their older content at all. It seems like such a waste of shit that obviously took them time and money to produce to just abandon it to rot. They'd probably extend the longevity of the game, as well as the breadth of worthwhile content by a great deal if they went back and fixed up some of the old shit.

The early leveling parts of the game are so dated they chase away new players pretty much without fail and give an awful first impression. Meanwhile decent raidbosses from S1 rot in irrelevancy because there'll never be a level 80-90 difficulty for them, and never a drop worth killing them for ever again. I'd much have a level 80-90 Colru that drops R7s than redo Lakoria, Bark, Havan, Iset, Panth, Lavasat, Druid, Cromm, etc.

If the earlygame and leveling wasn't such boring dogshit, I'd actually have a reason to make another character or recommend the game to a friend or 2. If an endgame raid train didn't involve steamrolling all the shitty S2 sandbags in sub 5 minute runs before doing the only 3 real endgame fights, then I'd actually have a reason to log in more than once or twice a month. It just seems like a humongous waste of work, time and money they've already put into the game to not take the minimal effort necessary to bring old content up to par.

>>122334174
Who?

>>122335347
soda something. They alt-F4'd after the tutorial mission and went to play something else

>>122334174
Soda, one of the most popular twitch streamers.
He's doing it for shitshow saturday.

>>122335136
>The early leveling parts of the game are so dated they chase away new players pretty much without fail and give an awful first impression.
This.

>>122333761
You give them to Colhen npc to get medals that you trade for Halloween rewards.

>>122335451
>wowfag can't into gud combat
Figures, I seen him play other games like b&s and he dies every 10 secs

>>122342072
You're really delusional if you think vindictus early game is even remotely challenging, except in the sense that's even someone who's challenged could clear it.
He alt+F4 because it was so boring.

>>122342340
Show me a game that's not boring the first 10 levels

>>122342072
>like b&s and he dies every 10 secs
He's actually pretty decent at B&S and git gudded pretty quickly.

Also,
>Vindictus
>Gud combat
Please. Vindictus will never have gud combat as long as you can't affect the boss aside from scarce holds and flinches.

>>122342340
I don't know about early game being absolutely boring. From Ainle onwards you can actually die, if you play on hard mode.

>>122342340
>he doesn't know about the original version of gnoll chief shitting all over newfags during beta and game launch

>>122343141
Did you only ever play korean MMOs for your entire life?
>>122343427
Even at the snowy place it's not THAT bad, but the gnoll area is literal shit, bosses are 100% retarded and you can kill them with your eyes closed.
>>122343573
I actually played the game in beta and yes gnoll chief was a very much needed challenging boss early on, but since they nerfed him he's a joke.

My Arisha's starting to get up there-- what's the big difference between Heavy and Plate armors at 90?

Also, is Attack speed as important here as it is for Scythe Evie? No idea what I'll be doing with my stats save MATK

>>122343141
>Show me a game that's not boring the first 61 levels

>>122343810
Every gooks game is boring as fuck leveling

>>122343968
Yes? That's exactly what I implied.

>>122343573
>big red nigga carrying a giant ass hammer
>does nothing but fucking kick
Yeah fuck that guy.

>>122344049
Western games are the same shit.

>>122344341
As i've said, maybe you should try playing things that aren't korean mmos, you'd see it's very possible for games to be enjoyable from level 1.
You act like there's no problem, or that vindictus problem is the same as other korean mmos, but that's just not true. Honestly even most other korean mmos i've tried are more interesting from level 1 than vindictus.
Reason is, vindictus is all about it's combat, and early game you see this really good gameplay, and really ass level design, monster design, boss design, quest design. Everything but the gameplay sucks in the gnoll prairie.

I played mabinogi and I heard of vin is it worth a play if I played Mab?

Coming back after some time: What's the difference between armor types anymore?

What the hell do I use at 90 if it's all pretty much the same?

>>122343817
No attack speed is nowhere near as needed for Arisha, its nice to have like it is on all characters but the stat you should be focusing on is crit for Arisha.

>>122345163
Not even sure if you're serious but Vind is pretty different from Mab, you might get a kick out of some story stuff I guess if you're into that.

>>122344859
I have, they're the same shit. The only difference is western games try to mask inferior game play with gimmicky quests, dailies, crafting, etc.

Which KMMO is enjoyable from lvl 1?

>>122345653
Thanks! Yes I noticed that compared to a Staff Evie with similar skill levels and Gear, Arisha's auto attack hits for like half of hers. Feels like I need more punch

>>122345749
I was not really invested in the story but could you provide an example?

>>122345750
Lineage 2. World PVP was great

>>122346085
Never played it so I'm don't know the specifics, but can you do world pvp from lvl 1? Can you compete with max levels at it? Do you even have enough skills at the beginning to be effective at it?

>>122345653
Aside from the small handful of characters who are gated heavily by AS, what you said is true of everyone. Crit is the most efficient and damage increase stat next to attack itself. It's always a priority to cap crit before focusing on other stats, as its the stat that every class, save for a few, stand to gain the most benefit from.

Those rare exceptions are just things like Cestus Karok or Scythe Evie, where mechanics either reduce the value of crit or require a certain amount of AS to function.

>spear lann

laffo

>>122346581
You fight other low level people you find yeah. Dungeons aren't even instanced so people will fight for shit

Is Arisha any good or is she Lynn-tier right now? I'm almost 70 and I'm keeping pretty consistent uptime on bosses and keeping my crystal in use, but compared to Evies it's not really as significant.

What am I missing?

>>122347150
She's still solidly B-tier, behind Lann and Evie. That might change once the next batch of revamps come along but for now she's good.

>>122346839
So you found the game enjoyable even though you're running around with maybe 2-3 skills and using it on other people in a tab targeting game?

>>122347414
The situation of WORLD PVP ALL THE TIME ANY TIME made the entire game pretty tense considering its a grinding game and not quest-based. The game still had a decent community when I played and people would hunt PKers.

Nothing like being a PKer with a red name and watching someone spot you and start running in your direction from far in the distance. Is he going to attack you or is he just coming this way? Better not wait to find out and start prepping some fucking spells

>>122347359

Is there more I should be doing? When I get a decent bit of SP and mana I try to actively counter into mana blade mode and start draining and whirlwinding on the boss until I'm spent, at which point I keep my crystal out, mana tracer up, and switch between full combos and retrieving the crystal at 5 stacks.

Also a combo Ruin Blade if there's a good opening

>>122347414
Yes?

I know you're too young to play stuff like Ultima and Tibia, but world PvP makes things interesting at all levels.

>tab targeting
You really need to get over this. Just because it has tab targeting doesn't mean it's bad.

>>122347817
Not him, but not everyone likes leaving a trail of gold leading into some dark, lonely valley to set up an ambush at low levels.

I love it.

>>122347758
Try to use your Sp as often as you can, especially counter, and maximize your mana with perfect drains. Spam warp when you are in mana blade mode and detonate your crystal to keep your stamina up.

>>122344859
>early game you see this really good gameplay, and really ass level design, monster design, boss design, quest design. Everything but the gameplay sucks in the gnoll prairie.
Even the gameplay sucks early on. Vindictus has a bad habit of gating too much of a character's core skills, and essentially their entire identity as a character behind level breakpoints. Most characters don't even unlock their first core skill until after the gnoll chief, and for some characters, that means you do nothing but leftlick->rightclick through some shitty enemies with absolutely no indication of what that character actually plays like or what their mechanics are. Hurk is this momentum-based fighter that eats attacks to the face for damage buffs and parries bosses? Neat, it's a shame you don't get most of that until you're level 30. Until then you're just boring hit and run with big slow hits.

Lynn and Evie are particularly bad for this, where you get absolutely nothing of what makes them characters, or what makes them fun until you're already several hours into leveling. No game should ask its player to waste several hours leveling a character before they get a chance to see how that character actually plays or gain access to any of the actually fun bits of combat.

The first 2 areas of Vindictus (ruins and ice caves) function as an excruciatingly dull extended tutorial in which gameplay mechanics and core aspects of your character are very gradually introduced to you while you wail on harmless enemies that barely fight back. It's a fine tutorial if the goal is to acclimatize a player that has never, ever played an action game before and is completely new to vindictus (or videogames in general), but for anybody that's every played a game before, the earlygame is patronizingly slow and drawn out and demands you jump through far too many utterly trivial hoops before you're allowed to start fighting real enemies or using interesting skills.

>>122348485
Is warp better than just swinging around at the boss in mana blade mode?

Also, what's that about the crystal and stamina? Thank you

>>122347817
I never said it was bad. I just found tab targeting games boring.

>>122348693
Does more damage and uses about as much mana as one swing

Exploding orb recovers 100 stam instantly

>>122348693
Yeah warp hits very hard. It's an excellent way to avoid boss attacks so you can use it to dodge, but don't hold off on it too long - your mana blade hits reduce it's cooldown so you can really spam it. Detonating a crystal gives 100stam, so wail until your stam is empty, then detonate, and continue wailing.

>>122348582
Don't all MMOs have you slowly unlock core skills as you progress?

>>122349150
>>122349283
So warp on cooldown and destroy crystal when low stam then redeploy-- all in Mana blade?

That's great! I was only using warp as a catch/escape mechanic along with tracer, while using all my Stamina on crazy shit. Very helpful, I'll try to master these alongside the new ASDSWSW combo on Ruin I just got

>>122349508
If you can do ruin blade fast enough, you're immune to all damage while executing the attack. It's another way to avoid damage.

>>122349859
Starting when are you immune?

>>122349427
This is true, but tab-target MMOs get away with it because they're just things you add to your skill rotation, and often times they're just improvements over existing skills anyway.

The problem with Vindictus skill-gating, and what that guy is getting at, is that some of the locked skills are what make the character actually interesting to play. Skills like Gliding Fury, Counterattack, snaps, pressure points, and in the worst case Transcendence, fundamentally define what combat is like for their users.

>>122349894
When you do the WSADADWS command, as soon as she swings the sword and until she recovers or you do SW into counter

>>122349427
Most that I've played don't make you wait as long as vindictus does before you unlock things fundamental to your character.

It's pretty inocuous for some skills to be deferred until later in the game. Karok doesn't unlock warslam, his primary sandbag dps tool, until like level 30-ish. That's not really a bad thinbg, because sandbag dps doesn't really define his character. But, some of the characters and the way their skill unlocks are set up is something akin to a healer taking until level 20 before learning a heal spell. Poor Lynn is forced to spend most of her leveling spamming only one smash as it's the only one that can apply marks until level 30-something ( a skill she doesn't get at all until after perilous ruins).

And anybody that's leveled a staff evie solo knows what that's like. Your DPS rotation is fireball -> wait for fireball to come off cd->fireball again until bosses die. There's no flow to combat, no combos, no burst, no rotations, none of the things that make evie feel like evie. Combat is just tediously waiting for one or 2 cooldowns to cycle off over and over again until you finally unlock more shit later.

>>122350104
Great! One more question: After doing the first combo, how long do I have to do the second ASDSWSW?

Fuck this bitch is complicated.

>>122350196
You can hold it for a couple seconds after the first hit to wait for a chance to get the counter mana, play around with it to get a feel for the timing.

>>122348725
So it's just your opinion.

>>122349427
No. I played both B&S and FFXIV and because they are hotkey based games, characters play very different to each other just a few levels in.

In Vindictus, most character take to around level 40 to become unique and even then, you don't really come into content that forces you to learn your character until Hoarfrost Depths and EVEN THEN it's usually just a few particular bosses like Yeti King.

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>>122350164
>Played Staff Evie before revamp
It was pure horror and tedium. In retrospect, I'm so happy I had someone duo most of the content with me in rental gear, because I would've probably quit Evie at Ainle.

>>122350821
Yes, just like how you found it fun. Another opinion.

>>122351310
A lot of people found it fun, but what I was getting at is this general has a bad problem with shitting on any game that doesn't have real-time combat that isn't based on hotkeys.

I've always found it funny how the Vindictus combat is praised as 'best ever' and yet it's much shallower than stuff like DMC and MH.

>>122351528
And there are tons of people who would swear by WoW, wildstar, or ESO combat. In the end it's just opinions, like how people in this general tend to like vindi combat.

All MH has over vindi is the climbing, while DMC is more like dragon nest style combat

>>122351996
>And there are tons of people who would swear by WoW, wildstar, or ESO combat.
But those people don't actively shit on Vindi combat.

>All MH has over vindi is the climbing, while DMC is more like dragon nest style combat
MH and DMC have proper enemy interaction in that you can stagger/hold/stun/juggle/whatever. Vindi is quite shallow because it loses that dimension (for most characters) and is much more sandbaggy, especially on simple bosses like Havan.

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>>122352782
yea but with 8 and sometimes more people smackin the boss's shit up, if they all had real reactions to getting hit it would be even more faceroll. Plus, DMC bosses don't really care that much about you hitting them either

>>122352782
Are you seriously implying that allowing Vindictus bosses to be chain-CCed would make them LESS sandbaggy? And why the fuck are you even comparing Vindictus to non-MMOs like DMC and Monhun? They all have different forms of holding skills that are appropriate for their combat system, and would suck majorly if you were to transplant them into another game where they don't belong.

Does using the counter drain followup after ruin blade use up durability from a counter drain skill awakening? It seems like the durability goes down pretty fast even when I intentionally try to use it less while doing easy stuff.