/wowsg/ - World of Warships Admiral

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QT CVs are fine too.

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Scariest CL.

>First match in Dresden
>This ship has tiny guns and terrible shell travel time
>Later
>156 hits and 5 kills
This fucking reload.

>play Hotel
>me and Zao both flat broadside each other at ~6km, both hitting all our shots
>mine all do minimum damage and he hits me for almost 15k
quality patch WG

>>121803109
Dresden is just a tier 2 St. Louis anon, enjoy it.

>>121803140
Obviously you over penned him :^)

>>121803140
>baaaaw I cannot simply delete cruisers anymore at all ranges without thinking
Better be thankful he didn't simply torp your retarded ass.

>>121803807
>18" guns do less damage than 8" guns against completely flat broadside at close range
>cannot simply delete cruisers anymore at all ranges without thinking

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>>121802649

>the Best Shipfu in OP

I love it.

>>121804371
>18" shells punch holes through superstructure and hull without exploding
>8" shells penetrate into the target and explode, shredding everything above the armored deck

And that is not even the point here.
Cruisers are little more than shitty free XP for the BBs.

Not that this even begin solving the CVnt problem.

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>>121804371
That's the problem. Cruisers feel entitled to fight battleships on equal terms, and win, while they're not supposed to. They can fight them and add up damage, perhaps sink them given enough time and the BB being distracted, but they should not be able to win a 1v1.

Battleships are supposed to counter cruisers, which before this patch they could. Cruisers are supposed to group with BB's to keep CV's at bay, hunt down DD's, while adding extra HE and fire damage.
DD's should get a buff so they can actually counter BB's before shimakaze/fletcher/gearing, but the recent cap-XP patch has helped them quite a bit, increasing their numbers, which in turn makes cruisers more relevant than ever.

Also, stop going full hyperbole. CAsuals only get insta-deleted when they show their broadsides. Decent cruiser drivers keep evading and angling, dodging most shells and diminishing the chances of a citadel hit. If the BB keeps trying to hit you after that, he either isn't shooting the other ships that are damaging it, or you're alone against the BB, which is a fucking stupid idea. It's the same as a baBBy complaining about being insta-deleted by TB's, when he was sailing alone.

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Is there a more satisfying feeling than making cocky cruisers turn tail by citpenning them with BB guns?

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>>121807347
Setting fires on a Hotel with DBs when she just used repair crew.

Why are the Myogi's gun placements a downgrade from the Kawachi?

With the Kawachi I could abuse the guns on both sides in offensive and defensive situations by turning slightly. On Myogi it's just 3 slow ass turrets.

>>121807130
>baBBy: The Post
You are not worse than the CVnts, but certainly more dumb.

>>121807130
I think you replied to the wrong guy friendo, I'm the guy complaining about CA's being able to show broadside and just get hit for minimum damage.

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RU devs translation:
http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/31444-some-interesting-info-from-ru/page__st__140__pid__670765#entry670765

tldr:
>Yeah, we knew there was a bug in armor calculations, and we build the entire game around it.
>We fixed the bug on this patch, but now we're thoroughly shocked and surprised that the balance build around it could be affected so much. Truly an unforeseeable outcome.

>statistics collection time )))))))))

In all honesty, increased cruiser survivability is a good thing, but HE and fire damage needs to be tweaked down, plus the AP penetration/dmg on some cruisers, like Zao.

Also
>No word on 100% fighter skill
† CV

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BONGS WHEN?

I am on Izumo (no more than 10 games in so far) and it's not that good - not nearly as painful as people claim so far, so eventually I'll have Yamato
I also just got the Nurnberg and EVENTUALLY I'll get the Hindenberg

But what if bongs are not out by then? What will I do? I love the idea of playing with Hotel but surely too much of it will result in boredom

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>>121808197
Now that I think about it, wasn't the current citadel overpen mechanic present in the beta weekends? I remember the outrage when we entered CBT and cruisers began exploding on citadel hits. But back then they could at least pen BB's with AP. Then they nerfed AP, and brought HE and fire damage to the levels they're at today.

All that WG needs to do now is to bring down HE/Fire damage, and we'll be back to the glorious beta weekend days. Which is, like, what we've always asked for.

I'm hyped for the outcome of this.

But knowing WG, they'll rollback the patch, or manage to fuck it up further.

>>121808197
I wouldn't have a problem with a bit more survivable CAs, just as long as they stop taking less damage from showing broadside because of overpens.

Is slav aim perma kill? Has someone used cheatautomation?

>>121809079
>Is slav aim perma kill?
For now, but the works aren't, eventually Poland will rise again but there is no ETA right now

>>121808398
>have enough exp to research
>not even half the money to buy
suffering

>>121808197
>We fixed the bug on this patch, but now we're thoroughly shocked and surprised that the balance build around it could be affected so much. Truly an unforeseeable outcome.
5.1.1 rollback soon

>>121808638
Basically at some point they fucked up something damage model of areas where thickness of armor changes. That resulted in many ships not having any fucking armor right above the belt, it became especially bad with German CAs and their thousands of layers of armor. BaBBies actually believed that's how it was intended to work and now it's too late to fix because of all the whine.

>>121808398
Prepare to be disappointed.

The 20th century Royal Navy literally ran on bad ideas, momentum and everyone else thinking they still mattered.

>>121808747
Ideally, CAs would take citadel damage when showing their broadsides like a dumb nigger, but should avoid taking such damage by maneuvering.

Sort of like it was in the alpha.
When the game was not shit.

>>121808398
Right after Soviet CVs.

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>>121809509
BB damage was intended. That's why it stayed unchanged for most of the year. But to account for the increased damage which cruisers took, they received more effective HE, and fires were made more damaging.

Hopefully, this will go like >>121808638
says, and we'll go back to the glorious beta weekend days, in which the game was better balanced than what we've been playing since January.

Had it been an intended change, with a comprehensive rebalance of cruiser damage to go along with survivability, it would've been fine.

The main issue here is how many players will the game bleed. This was the result of incompetence, and people are very angry.

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>>121809290
>5.1.1 rollback soon
>rollback
>WG

>>121810367
right, they will revert the armor change but they will also fuck it

>>121808197
>† CV
and nothing of value is lost

>>121809653
Mid tiers will be great

>>121810448
>revert changes
Anon, this is WG.
Reverting changes might imply fallability, which is why changes are never, ever reverted even if they are the most retarded thing ever.

A more likely outcome is that they will collect data, then nerf all armor across the board so that HE now pens everyone.

>dev on RU forum says its working as intended

fuck this game can't we just get a european studio instead

>>121809509
That is maybe the one good thing.
WG simply doesn't give a fuck about the whiners.

The downside always is that they also ignore actually good ideas.

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>>121810545
As much as I hate CVnt's, killing an entire class is not the solution. The fighter skill "bug" (I hope it is a bug), coupled with the outrage from the armor changes, and Fallout 4/starcraft 2 release could very well kill the game into the same death spiral as WoWP.

CV's need to get balanced, not made into a grief machine for both sides like arty was in WoT.

>>121811116
>hurr I want them to leave the bug alone
Just wait for balance fixes you fucking baBBy. I bet you're aim assist shitter as well.

>>121811315

I've pretty much quit for now. Don't know if I will be coming back I enjoyed all types of ships. But now half of my ship classes I enjoy are just shit on. Why play at all.
Steel Ocean soon.

>>121811315
>Fo4 coming out the same time WG kills my enjoyment of the game I was sinking most of my time into
well
at least they were kind to do it now, so until they fix it I have something to do while I delay doing all my uni work piling up

Are BaBBies still mad they can't instadelete ships anymore?

I don't know what they're whining about, having gone down both CA/BB lines, this is a welcome change. BBs are still potent, but now they gotta think twice before committing against a group of CAs. I'm still capable of getting shot down to 1/2 hp in one salvo but I'm also noticeably sturdier now. At least a CA can still put up a decent fight instead of getting deleted the moment a BB just so much as sneezes on him.

>>121814592
Nobody is complaining because CA's aren't oneshottable, it's that CAs in literally their most vulnerable positioning now affords them a higher chance of surviving because showing their broadside means that higher pen shells will just overpen and do minimum damage.
They're literally getting rewarded for playing worse.

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>>121814592
When was the last time a DD put up a decent fight against your cruiser?

Never, that's right. Cruiser vs BB interaction is supposed to be the same way. And even then, it never was since cruisers actually have always had a chance when fighting BB's, unlike DD's which can never hope to beat a cruiser.

Remember, this was a bugfix with unintended consequences. The game was balanced as WG desired before 5.1. If WG does keep the armor fixes, expect a HE/Fire nerf since those were balanced around fragile cruisers.

Don't get too used to CAsual dominance.

>>121815106
I've experimented around with NC and I'm getting good results with HE now. I'm switching ammo ore often now when previously it's unthinkable. Of course thins changes things to the point I'm not able fight a group of CAs easily now, but at least I'm seeing more and more BBs with cruiser escort unlike previously, which is a good thing in my opinion.

Maybe babbies should adapt instead of expecting WG to bend to their every whim.
I'm not saying this is a good update overall because there's still the bullshit with DE and the side effect of the more more daring CAs resulting in HE and fires being more potent. However, seeing more teamwork amongst cruisers taking down BBs together instead of each hiding to save their own ass is a welcome change.

Of course, it's laughable that this whole easy AP citpen was a bug in the first place and its fix brought about the shitstorm we have now. They really should have sorted this out before releasing this game for good; at least then they could have run the excuse of working as intended now :))))))))))

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just unlocked dess, what am i in for?

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>>121815494
>3 cruisers actually have always had a chance when fighting BB's
BBs can shoot HE and they will do more damage than cruisers of the same tier. You're just so used to citraping everything in your never-sunk-a-ship-for-a-reason boat you don't even notice it.

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>>121815906
Fires, knocked out AA, overpenetrations and overall cruiser dominance.

Bail while you still can. Go get a Cleveland or something.

>>121815906
Get the third hull upgrade and DESS your enemies' citadels for eternity

>>121816280
>play Kongo to see what's changed
>citpenned an Omaha from the front, got killstealed in the end though
>deleted a pesky Isyaslav with AP
>HE salvoed a bear and killed him
>burned to death by a Cleveland, win the game regardless
>nothings really changed, still a damn good bote

What are BaBBies whining about?

>DD's got fucked
>CV'S got fucked
>now BB's get fucked

man world of cruisers is great

>>121815825
>the only way to be successful is to treat CA's doing the dumbest thing they possibly can is to treat them like a DD
Frankly I wouldn't be that mad if it wasn't for the fact that at closer ranges Zao's and Hindenburgs now straight up outdamage a Yamato in a un-angled 1 on 1 broadside shootout even before taking fires and torpedoes into consideration, and that's from having played it from both sides.

>>121816801
>tier 6 player

>>121816082
>BBs can shoot HE and they will do more damage than cruisers of the same tier.
Spoken like someone who compared some numbers instead of ever actually trying it. Have fun getting barbecued while two thirds of your shells miss the smaller and more maneuverable ship. If the cruiser has any clue what the fuck they're doing and is hanging back raining fire, the only saving grace of a battleship is a lucky citadel pen. He can't outrun it and he can't chase it down. I seriously do not understand the mentality of you people who want every ship in the game to shit on BBs. As it is now they don't have a role. Cruisers play cruiser removal much better, they don't get shit on by DDs and CVs, and they can actually move fast enough to play the objectives.

>>121816986
>tfw you have at least one >t8 of each class

Stay mad, babby. I'm going to enjoy the countless fires at your expense and there's nothing you can do about it. Worst case scenario they patch it back to before and I'll just go back to playing my CV or even BB.

>>121816986
>Cruisers play cruiser removal much better
They don't. I play CVs, I've seen some shit.

I didn't even say that everything is balanced now by the way. I just pointed out that you have to be an incredible shitter to think a cruiser ever had a chance against a battleship of the same tier. Especially before this patch. Well, maybe Louis can melt Kawachi and SoCar.

>get shit on by DDs
A week ago DDs were whining how they are shitted on by everything, now a baBBy whines he gets shitted on by everything including DDs. You lot should decide who is useless in the end.

>>121815494
And BBs can beat up DDs as easily when DDs are supposed to be the hard counter.

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>>121818489
>Especially before this patch.
I don't think anyone was ever arguing that a BB was outclassed 1v1 by a CA before this patch.

>>121818658
>DDs are supposed to be the hard counter.
CVs are supposed to be the hard counter.
Just like real life.

>>121818814
But WG advertised it as RPS.

Oh wait, I forget they revoked it. :^)

>>121818814
>I don't think anyone was ever arguing
>>121815494
>cruisers actually have always had a chance when fighting BB'

>>121818932
I wrongly read it as outclassed, because that's the point I've been arguing.
Yes, assuming equal skill a CA used to be almost always at a disadvantage in a 1v1 against a BB (although I'll maintain that the Jap ones at least did stand somewhat of a chance within torpedo range), and now it's the other way around, and both situations are retarded because WG has been balancing the whole game around a bug for ages. Which, they then (without any announcement in testing or patch notes) fixed and expected nothing major to happen.
I mean I guess I'm not that surprised.

>>121816923
Are you saying the game shouldn't be balanced around the mid-tiers? If anything should be balanced, it's the spot where most people will be playing. It's not like ranked battles are tier 2 or tier 10 either.

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>>121811315
>not made into a grief machine for both sides like arty was in WoT.

fuck you I like arty.

>>121820839
You and nobody else

>>121819730
You don't even know man. Just look at WoT. During CBT their engine was even worse than it is now and tanks basically teleported until theywere 300m away from you. T-44 at tier 8 used to helicopter dick tier 10 heavy tanks because it could get close without being shot. Then they fixed it and it turned out that medium tanks are shit and they had to add tier 9 and 10 which lead to a series of disasters. WoWs is a smooth sailing.

>>121815494
>Don't get too used to CAsual dominance.
Yeah, because the mindless baBBie clickfest was SO MUCH MORE fun.

The asshurt baBBies are literally as bad as the whining CVnts and the ST fucboi club on the official forums.

>>121815825
>I'm not able fight a group of CAs easily now
>I should be able to fight three people at the same time and win because I'm in a BB!
Wow, BBs were just as delusional as the CVs.

That is literally the same argument the CVnts have used to justify 3k avg XP for the past six months.

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>>121821137
>no danger of being killed other than that one light tank that slips through every 1 in 20 games
>literally one or two shot everything from across the map

how is this not fun?

>>121818489
>maybe Louis can melt Kawachi and SoCar.
Maybe, but that is more a case of t3 BBs being so horrible inaccurate that they can hve shells flying off to the moon and being rolled overboard in the same salvo.

>>121821560
anon
are you well

The post you tagged was in favor of the BaBBies getting their comeuppance.

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>cruisers are good now
>still no incentive to play

lmao

>>121821560
He'saying it's a good thing, you illiterate fuck. Exactly because he's not able to solo 3 CAs, there's more instances of some semblance of teamwork, what with BBs needing cruiser escorts now.

>>121821819
No I am not well.
I just wanted to vent anger at WG's incompetence.

I watched this game that was just plain great fun in the late alpha turn to complete shit in beta.

And now, half a year later the player count is dropping and dropping and WG finally starts fixing the retarded shit they introduced, and the fucking baBBies are whining about the game getting fixed.

Literally worse than CVnts.
Is it so hard to understand that one or two classes outperforming the other two or three classes by such a huge margin is simply not good, and can ultimately only hurt the game?

>>121822574
>Is it so hard to understand that one or two classes outperforming the other two or three classes by such a huge margin is simply not good, and can ultimately only hurt the game?
All the people leaving World of Cruisers understand it perfectly clear. Cruisers could do fine against a battleships before if they were careful. I've experienced it from both ends plenty of times. Now battleships are just obsolete. Massive damage on the rare occasions that RNG shines in your favor was literally the only thing they had going for them.

>>121823028
>Cruisers could do fine against a battleships before if they were careful

no, not really. not until the Zao.

>>121823028
You could say the same about DDs.

>>121823028
>all the baBBies leaving World of Warships

ftfy :^)

>>121823028
>Cruisers could do fine against a battleships before if they were careful.
"All the people who die to Midways are shitters. There is nothing wrong with CVs, you all just need to learn to play."
-Anumati the Great

>>121823457

Fuck off.
People do need to learn to play, but people won't fucking learn.

>>121823714
>cruisers could do just fine if they were skilled
>BBs should be balanced as if played by retards

the fuck changed that made cruisers king and BBs shit?

>>121824396
Historical accuracy

>>121824396
They made armored decks work.

>>121823990

BBs should be a high skill class that can't easily be taken down.
CVs and DDs should be higher because of their influence.
Cruisers need to be retard proof.
The sad part is, anyone can use CVs/DDs/BBs so it they have to lower the skill floor.

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>>121802649
Good OP.

>>121825493
>musashi

no

>>121824396
Armor is now working as intended, which means citadel pens are next to impossible. So cruisers can broadside HE spam on BBs all day with impunity. Add to that how rewards were nerfed across the board but buffed in return for capturing points, something BBs are terrible at. And then there are the long standing issues like fires being overpowered and dispersion being unbearable at ranges greater than spitting distance. The only purpose for battleships anymore is to soak up damage while cruisers do the real work. And somehow this is the most balanced the game has been since alpha, now that the only threat to cruisers is useless.

>>121823028
No, anon.

No cruiser, no matter how good and careful could ever hope to repeatedly and consistently defeat a BB of equal skill in any given number of repeatable scenarios
.
Yes, HE spamming 6" cruisers are frustrating and annoying as fuck to fight against, and can actually deal more than their own hitpoints in damage to the BB, and can actually survive if RNGesus shits all over the BB.

Remember when the beta came out and all teh alpha testers said that balance was now completely fucked?
How BBs were now shitty RNG slotmachines and cruisers relegated to retarded HE spam?

WG for some retarded reason decided that this unfun bullshit meant 'balance'.
Turns out that HE spam is not fun for anyone, but since it's the only thing cruiserss could still do the napalm-hose playstyle of Cleveland and Mogami became the yardstick.
Not that this is fun, for anyone involved.
That has never stopped WG, see CVs and all their problems, or arty in WoT.

The one big exception to the above is invisifiring, which is an idiotic concept, only works on a small number of ships and mostly became the go-to setup becasue literally every oter way of playing cruisers meant getting fucked by cirpens all day, see the performance of US cruisers.

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>>121825572
A sushi is fine too.

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>>121825572
>not liking both Hotels

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Reminder that rape is DEEP

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>>121825583
They just need to make penetrations 1/5 and overpens 1/8 of max AP damage. Stop crying about big bad cruisers, you're embarassing.I can play my fucking Montana at last, best patch for USN BBs.

>>121826069
oh this is the autistic cunt who spams every thread on 4chan

interesting

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>>121826069
>this is sympathetic behavior in Japan

fucking degenerate heathens

>>121826678
Taiwan*

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>>121826716
All Asiatics are the same.

I have enough free XP to get from Kuma to Furutaka, should I save it for modules and play the baBBies worst nightmare or move on up?

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BREAKING NEWS
tldr:
>No rollback. It would look bad, and the change was needed anyway.

>BUT, it's not working as intended. They'll run internal tests to find out what's wrong, and change mechanics accordingly. Expect a hotfix, this is priority and will not wait until a big patch.

I wonder if these changes will mean that Montana's multi-deck armor will finally work. Hopefully, this may also mean an end to the bow-to-front-reversing-Yamato-trenchlines META that fucks up T10's almost as much as Midway.

The sad thing about this fuck up is that the fighter skill bug seems to have slipped through unnoticed.

>>121828721
Just fucking play it you baby. Furutaka is a rite of passage and she isn't even as bad as she was.

>playing DD
>see a Cleveland / St Louis / Kuma / Murmansk / whatever the fuck
Fuck

>>121828895
I'm having lots of fun with the Kuma, saving for modules just seems like it would make it easier.

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>>121828727

>The sad thing about this fuck up is that the fighter skill bug seems to have slipped through unnoticed.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>121828986
>Playing RU DD
>see a Cleveland / St Louis / Kuma / Murmansk / whatever the fuck

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Warspite really is a glorious brawling girl.

>>121829440
In ~ 350 games I've only ever gotten one 'Double Strike'

And it was in the Warspite

>>121808003
I'm a filthy CAsual but I agree with >>121807130. Prior to this patch you would be punished for bad play and positioning, which used to weed out the bad CAsuals from the good ones. Now being a CAsual is easier than ever, since BBs no longer pose a threat.

>>121829983
>~ 350 games
>one 'Double Strike'
Wew lad.

>>121829983
I've got it three times.

Twice were idiots sitting too close together - once with Houshou, once with Isokaze. The other time was Hermelin double penning two low health chumps.

>>121829440

stop making bad choices

it makes me want to make bad choices too

>>121829983
I got 2 doubles, one in the gremy when i chased down an Omaha and just shot him to death, then immediately torped a kongo and killed that, and the other in the king kong when i torped a fully health aoba and then shot a carrier to death.

>>121830607
Warspite is worth making bad choices for.

>>121816762
>my experience in a T5 game makes me qualified to comment on balance at all tiers)))))))))))

>>121818489
Every class gets shat on by every other class, if you believe what's said on the forums. It's funny how a week ago everyone was complaining how RNG made them unable to reliably hit CAs in their BBs, yet now in retrospect everyone's saying how BBs shouldn't have been able to insta-delete CAs at all ranges in the first place.

>>121830465
I lied I have 2, I only have 1 'close quarters expert' (which was Warspite) - all I played was Jap BBs until German cruisers came out and I'm only tier VI on them

>>121830486
I was being 'surrounded' by 2 DDs and I 'devastating strike'd one with main batteries and my secondaries took out the other giving me 'close quarters expert' too, probably my best game in it

>>121830725

Updating and playing this game isn't though

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Fucking Brandon, get your shit together

>Move to EU from NA
>Gigantic decrease in BB numbers

This feels delightful.

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>new CV
>its stock
>captain retraining
>balanced CV MM

>>121832669
>new CV
>its stock
>captain retraining
>USN CV tier above you on the enemy team

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>finally done suffering through the hell that is Karlsruhe
>Königsberg is fun

ah.. it was worth it...

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>>121835426

Wait until you get into Nürnberg.

It's literally the same as königsberg but with worse MM just like anons have warned in earlier threads.

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>>121824564
>>121825583
>working as intended

they literally said it's a bug and they're going to hotfix it monday you retards

>>121828721
furutaka is a good ship

save your free xp for ibuki

>>121836858
Just got it with a cheeky 4k free xp, been having a lot of fun on the more clustered maps where I'm not raped from miles away.

>>121837109
Just remember that this is the buffed Furutaka, adn that all the baBBies are whining right now how hard it is to pen cruisers now ;^)

>>121837480
I still think it will be fun, but it feels really inconsistent in terms of damage because of how shit the range is.
One map I'm putting out 40k+ and others its only 20k before I'm molested.

I'm bad

what's win rate means you're good?

>>121838381
about 55% and up

anything below that is unacceptable

>>121837820
10km torps are nice though

>>121838702
Got everything but them, didn't have enough free exp.

>>121836591
They literally said it's working as intended. They just didn't expect it to have so much impact. Hotfix will change something across the board like AP damage or underwater ballistics for all ships and that's why they won't have to wait for statistics this time like they do when they balance individual ships. Don't even try to correct me you lowlife.

>>121836591
>they literally said it's a bug
>>121839238
>They literally said it's working as intended


literally what is going on

>>121839238
Allowing AP to flood below the waterline would be nice

>>121839489
Somebody is literally misusing the word "literally"

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>CAsuals in full damage control after WG stated the new World of Cruisers META was not intended and will be corrected.

>>121839608
Sure thing, baBBie

WG stated that the pen mechanics that so massively benefitted BBs were a mistake in the first place.

And now they are used to deleteing cruisers with AP that they cannot comprehend how a simple switch to HE will allow to keep winning, but they refuse to even consider that becasue at their core they are still teh linesurfing, islandhugging baBBies who did everything they could.

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>100,000 xp
>that's just for the tier 8

where do people find the time to play this game? even your average NEET doesn't have the autism to put up with this grind.

just give me a premium tier 10 BB or cruiser and i'll buy it but i'm not wasting my life grinding there desu

>>121840227
playing the game IS the game
t10 is not some sort of goal

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>>121840227

>Premium tier 10 BB
>My CV when.

>>121839608
>maybe if I post reaction faces it will go away
Since you're that much of a scum of earth who rely on second-hand information from EU/NA forums I will explain it for you.

>how it worked
>water has too much stopping power but citadels can be easily hit because armored deck ricochets are cosidered citadel hits by the system
>two wrongs make right, nobody gives a shit

>how it works right now
>water still has too much stopping power, cits don't get blown up every time you hit somewhere near center of the ship
>baBBies are crying

>how they want it to work
>citadels above waterline will stay the same as they are now but water will be nerfed
>1 out of 100 baBBies with enough brain to shoot below waterline won't be completely useless

>how it will work
>they will fuck up
>WoWp 2

>>121840154
You realize this fucks over 8" AP as well right?

I haven't been able to citpen shit in my New Orleans since this patch came out, not even Atagos. I don't even get the token 1.5k overpen damage the BB's do, I get about 450.

I've literally been forced to fire nothing but HE at everything.

>>121840227
It's designed to get players to start throwing shekels at the game for premium and/or free xp conversion. Upgrades or higher ranks=better right? Worst part about this game is tier 9 and 10 are terrible at the moment and nobody should be rushing towards them.

>>121840741
>I haven't been able to citpen shit in my New Orleans since this patch came out, not even Atago

this desu

it's great for 155mm guns and lower but 8 inch shells overpen BBs now kek

>>121840741
THIS
FUCKING BABBIES COMPLAINING ABOUT AP WHEN I CAN'T EVEN CITPEN BROADSIDE RETARDED JAPS ANYMORE IN MY US CRUISERS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>121840701
>In a BB
>Expect to be able to hit a ship accuracy below the water line

Nigga what?

>>121840227
The dev's excuse was that they didn't want people blowing through all the content in a week, so the experience gains are total shit. And they've only gotten worse while more content was added. There's no excuse for not even getting 2x daily bonus. The daily mission rewards have remained unchanged since prices were a fraction of what they are now too, rendering them completely useless. Changing the beta rates and prices was a huge mistake.

>>121840783
With the way the game is bleeding players, you'd think they'd learn people aren't taking the bait.

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>>121840154
>WG stated that the pen mechanics that so massively benefitted BBs were a mistake in the first place.
They only realized this recently. The entire game has been balanced around it.

Sure, the mechanics themselves were a mistake, but the results were the intended ones. And by results, I mean BB damage averages and overall dominance. BB's have been repeatedly championed by WG as the 2nd carry class, after CV's. CA's and DD's are for support.

Remember kids, it's not only the answer that matters, but the method you use to get to it!

> teh linesurfing, islandhugging baBBies
Funny thing is, this whole AP bug doesn't affect linesurfers at all. It affects the ones who actually push and get into the 10-5km range, because that's where the shells are hitting the citadel roofs at really shallow angles, bouncing off and then exiting, which ends up counting as an overpen and not a parcial citadel hit.

Goes to show how little you understand what's happening, and how much you're just doing this for shitposting.

>>121840939
I don't expect anything.

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>>121841106

Shitters gon shit.

>>121841116
>how they want it to work
>citadels above waterline will stay the same as they are now but water will be nerfed
>1 out of 100 baBBies with enough brain to shoot below waterline won't be completely useless

You can't aim to hit such a small target unless you're basically point blank.

>>121841448
It's not like BBs scored a lot of citadel hits in real life. For that very reason, no less.

>>121841576
At least real BBs had radar

>>121841576
Eh, brawling in my Kongo is fun enough.

>>121840227
When you reach tier 5 the game is already fun since you aren't using botes from 1900-1920's

>>121841698
Nigguh, at least CVnts don't operate from distances greater than 50km in this game.

Dispersion will make your shots hit citadels below waterline whether you're aiming for it or not. BaBBy gameplay is just clicking and praying to RNG god, it will be literally the same as before when they implement it.

>>121841576
Real life BB's scored plenty of citadel hits. How the fuck do you think they sank one another, by shooting the superstructure?

>>121840962
>Changing the beta rates and prices was a huge mistake.

whats funny about this is that the beta XP rate was total shit too

i dont see why T10 has to be this thing that's so hard to get

>>121842130
>BB
>sank one another

>>121842242
Because impatient children will want their babby ship now rather than later. If they can pay mommy and daddys cash they will hand it over.

>Playing Furutaka
>Constant Konigsburg spam at me
>Get in range
>Rape him

It feels good.

ded thred

is bb AP still messed up?

>>121844514
Yes. Don't ever come back.

>>121842328
>USS Washington sank the Kirishima
>Bismarck sank the Hood

These are two examples off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more.

>>121845342
hood was a cruiser

>>121844514
No, it works exactly as the devs intended.

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>>121845342
>>121845416
Both Kirishima and Hood were battlecruisers, and performed exactly as designed and expected.

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I can only hope the nerf bat stays away from Tenryuu.

>>121847236
does she lick those torpedoes between her boobs

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>>121847523
she licks my torpedoes :^)

>>121840741
Git gud
I still cit pen in my myoko just fine
#remembertsushima #nipbias

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Ded game, ded thred.

>>121851739
>DED

>>>/eog/

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>>121851891

I've already set my skill queue for the next 3 months anon. I don't need to log in and set my skills up.

>>121852453
and I have 30 billion isk and my next 9 months set up and I still log into the game to gitgud and gitgud fights

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>>121852536

>Only 30 billion
I can make 1 billion in a day anon.
Market trader 4 lyfe.
With the upcoming capital changes I've invested about 164 billion in capital materials.

>>121852693
you realize with the tank nerfs on supers and titans the price of a carrier is gonna drop right?

>>121852693
>1 billion in a day

I've tried to get into EVE numerous times but I've never been able to progress past L4 mission runner bot. Teach me how to git gud at internet spreadsheets & spaceships, anon.

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>>121853192

>Carrier is gonna drop.
Of course it is anon. I'm playing the long game. Shit tons of new things are coming out for capitals eventually down the pipe in about 6-8 months. I've just got the pre-reqs ready.

>>121853764
if you're playing on a drop why are you invested NOW?

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>>121853736

Aggressive use of the market coupled with statistical luck usage predicting balance patches/ market changes.

>>121853885
Because I got the expensive shit for dirt cheap thanks to my contacts. Everything else is just contracted out/shipped. Also I've got nothing else going on.

You do realize that shit is expected to rise in price once these changes go through right? There are entire new capital ships coming out.

>>121854152
>Because I got the expensive shit for dirt cheap thanks to my contacts. Everything else is just contracted out/shipped. Also I've got nothing else going on.
that doesn't make sense, you're buying for cheap now when they're going to be cheap later, you're better off liquidating THEN buying up all the stock after the price drops

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>>121854635

Okay anon.

>>121854152
>You do realize that shit is expected to rise in price once these changes go through right? There are entire new capital ships coming out.
regardless, the volume for carriers and dreads is extremely high because they're already made, the price of the parts for those capitals is going to drop especially capital drone bays because I know at least a third of carriers and super carriers is drone bays. The demand for the new capital ships is also dependent on what they're made of and if they aren't fighter or drone based then the amount of drone bays they'll need will be near nothing which means the price of those drone bays and other carrier exclusive parts is going to be shit low.

>>121855117
The same goes for Capital turret arrays for dreadnoughts, if carriers and dreadnoughts are getting an EHP nerf and by default dreads getting their gun's nerfed even with the new T2 capital mods unless the new capital ships use those then there isn't going to be a jump on those prices either

your only and best bet is going to be triage modules, capital capacitor arrays, shield and armor parts, targeting and sensory parts, capital capacitor system parts

>>121855298
>>121855117
>>121854817
>>121854635
>>121854152
>>121853885
>>121853764
>>121853736
>>121853192
>>121852693
>>121852536
>>121852453
/wows/ - Eve Online Discussion

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>>121855448
>World of Warship General - Botesluts, Anime, Eve Online, Obscure Fetishes, Geography, Philosophy, History, Naval Architecture, Military Weaponry, Cooking, Demonology, Mathematics, Statistics, and Linguistics discussion

The list grows ever larger.

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>>121855789

>>121856567
every time

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>>121856567
>its a secret place

every time

>>121788041
>the based author of the extended tech tree explained how to fix it to work with the training room

those changes that I explained how to make, that was the only thing I did to dock.xml in the first place, you can do that and it'll work with the uncap mod too

>>121856828
I want to fill mutsu's secret place

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>>121857203
I do too

>Ocean
>enemy has 2 DDs and a CV all matched together
>playing DD myself
>CV harasses the shit out of me all game, following me around with fighters
>the DDs are everywhere I go
>keep dodging, for like 8 minutes flat
>finally torpedo a DD
>break through the cruisers and suicide rush the CV
>sink him, but set on fire by the third guy
>team wins the match a second before I burn to death
Couldn't be happier desu senpai

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>>121856763
>>121856828

4 u

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>>121858156
Looks like we had a hothead visit us.

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>>121856567
I want to fill Hotel's Royal Suite with my crewmen.

All night long.

>>121854152
>Aggressive use of the market coupled

Do you just buy a ton of shit, say LSE IIs, when they are low and then sell them when their price goes up? Patch speculation is wayyy too deep for me, but I might try my hand at market trading if I ever go back to EVE. From what I've heard, market PVP is just as exhilarating as as pew pew PVP.

>>121859704
do you make real money in eve?

>>121859704
>From what I've heard, market PVP is just as exhilarating as as pew pew PVP.
oh my god it's so fucking angering, fucking jews .01 isking your orders all fucking day

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>>121859704

Market PvP, I wouldn't say its exhilarating, but it does give you a slight feeling of joy when a plan comes to fruition.

>>121860996
Do you shut down your plans if the Goyllente find out?

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>>121855448
I kind of miss EVE

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>>121861730

Considering the most important parts of market trading aren't even in game, no.

>>121862839
What did you get b& for?

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>Still no hotfix patch for CVs and BBs
Bravo WG.

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>>121863123
18 counts of toxicity, told an ISD and his kids to kill themselves, once dropped cans in Jita named "gas the kikes", but the permab& was for asking what Amarr Militia was doing to celebrate Adolf Hitler's birthday, and so I was banned on 4/20

pic related is my tristan fit that has 420 shields, 420 cap, and goes 420m/s

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>>121864035
Seeker pls

On a more game related note -

Are you planning on giving up on this shithole botesim or continuing to fight a futile battle to make it something more than 1 dimensional HE spam simulator 2015? And why do all the faggots on the NA forum hate you so much now?

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http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/57591-gave-wg-1381-this-month-not-another-cent-until/

>1,381 Diddly dollaroos.
Also Seeker, before you call shit, did your patch notes have anything in them about for example.
The increase patrol radius of planes.
The dog fighting bug
and the AP mechanics?
Its possible something was changed that wasn't able to be "removed" or added.

>>121864609
People hate Seeker?

a weaboo question

fubuki means snowstorm
yukikaze means snowstorm

why do they have 2 words for the same good old snowstorm?

>>121864842
same thing there are words in english that do mean the same thing, they're called synonyms

>>121845342
>USS Washington sank the Kirishima
5 km away shooting at turrets. You can do that in the game.

>Bismarck sank the Hood
Probably the only instance of an artillery capital ship sinking another capital ship from significant distance after Jutland. Possibly a detonation slut just like Mutsu.

>Muh citadels
There were more battleships destroyed by their own crews than by other BBs.

>>121864789
>Are you planning on giving up on this shithole botesim or continuing to fight a futile battle to make it something more than 1 dimensional HE spam simulator 2015?
nah I'm giving up, I'm going to keep playing my Taiho and Koenigsberg, and keep fighting my futile battle on the forums.

>And why do all the faggots on the NA forum hate you so much now?
just that, because they're faggots

>Also Seeker, before you call shit, did your patch notes have anything in them about for example.
>The increase patrol radius of planes.
>The dog fighting bug
>and the AP mechanics?
Yes, yes, and no, respectively.
AP mechanic change was server side, nothing I can do about it.

>People hate Seeker?
the supertester shills &WG hate me

>>121865186
>nah I'm giving up
meant to say I'm not giving up, oops

>>121864842
>fubuki
>fucking blizzard, holy shit I better stay home today
>yukikaze
>wind with snow, whatever

I'm so fucking butthurt in my Zuiho if I see a Bogue I keep one tp wing ready to kill myself, if it's two Bogues I instasuicide at the beginning.

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I really like the Cleveland. Its the first ship I've had in this game where I feel like a true USN Ship Captain.

what's that chink WoWS knockoff called again?

>>121868564
steel oceans or something like that

>>121868603
>https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=499543544

praise the lord, it releases in literally 3 days

>https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=499543544
KITAAAAAAAAA
I'm free of fucking SLAVS

>>121868865
It's made by Chinks though.

>>121868840
>>121868865
wargaming btfo

>>121868942
since when chinks are slavs

c: Select all images with popcorn.

>>121868840
>dat Iowa

>>121869091
Steel Ocean is made by Chinks.

>>121869304
it's an escape from slavs

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>>121869176
>mfw they ripped off the shell-leaving turret animation from that shitty Battleship movie
>mfw they made it work
>mfw this entire game is HYPE compared to the trash that is WoWs
I CAN'T WAIITTTTT

>>121869379
Chinks manage to fail at knocking off KanColle, I'm not sure it's going to work out like you imagine.

>>121869663
>France has a navy
>CHINA ha a ww2 ready navy
>No ROYAL NAVY
BRITC.U.C.K.S BTFO BY STEEL OCEAN

>>121868865
>Hello, I am a Chinese players, this is a good game, but the submarine must be cut down, the existence of the submarine destroy the balance of the game, you will find that you open the battleships cannot pose no threat to submarines
Game isn't even out yet and baBBies are already complaining.

>>121870046
nobody cares of brits
nobody

>>121870046
>>CHINA ha a ww2 ready navy
they didn't really, none of their shit got comparable until way after WWII was over

>>121870170
They do in glorious chink game :^)

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>3 days until Steel Ocean
Sasuga WG, now we get to try out a the chink copy with little reason to go back.

>Nation: There are 5 different nation’s ships: U.S.A, Japan, Germany, France and China.

brits
are
royally
keked

>>121870757
>Germany, France, China
>no RN
Shitters in this thread will defend this.

>>121871032
The trailer shows the hood sinking in 1 salvo
Why would any chink want to play such a ship?

note, that slavs at least didn't make soviet ships at release

>>121870757
France and China had boats?

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>>121870757

>pre-ww2 to ww2 navies
>china

i think france has le fantastique, she is fairly popular, among chinese keks too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoIhZq9DJwg
THREADLY REMINDER THAT WE ARE GUARDIANS OF PALESTINE

>>121871706
France wasn't much worse than KM. China is JUST

>>121871614
Slavs at least have fucking paper projects for all 4 classes, 80% of their tree will be paper projects but at least they were designed by actual engineers. Where they will pull out chink ships from I can't even begin to imagine.

>>121872237
>China is JUST
FUCK

>>121872385
It seems to have a warm reception in chinese language forums afaik.

>>121872125

>Playing Russian DDs.

>>121868840
>subtle Chinese bias depicts IJN BBs being BTFO by the USN

>>121872543
listening to that?

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>>121872764

What?

>>121855789
>World of Warship General - Botesluts, Anime, Eve Online, Guardians of Palestine, Obscure Fetishes, Geography, Philosophy, History, Naval Architecture, Military Weaponry, Cooking, Demonology, Mathematics, Statistics, and Linguistics discussion

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>>121872125
>>121873017
Masha'allah, brother, it will be added to the list.

>>121871706
>France had boats?
Wasn't one of France's battleships like a quad gun autoloader or something?

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>>121873392
No autoloaders, but quad guns she had.

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>>121873327

Good night brother.

>>121873523
They're superfiring right?
>tfw don't even have to expose sides to fire all my baguettes
C'est bon

>>121874431
There were supposed to be turrets in the aft. France was occupied before the ship was finished.

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>>121874710
>>121874431
Nope, they were designed with guns to fire all ahead. There were plans for a ship with an additional rear turret, but it never went anywhere because of the war.

Jean Beart, the second of the class, didn't have one of her turret's guns installed when the France fell, that may be what the second anon was thinking of.

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>mfw I faced two fighter loadout Jap CVs with my strike loadout Ranger
>mfw I faced an Independence with stock fighters
JUST FUCK MY PLANES UP

World of Warships more like World of WarSHIT LMAO AMIRITE

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>Running Nicholas air screen for Kongo and Myogi
>Blue line bogu attack group spotted
>Makes beeline for battleships
>Rush out in front and pop DF as the bombers come overhead
>12 misses
>Torp bombers double back a bit and wait out DF
>DF ends
>they start heading back in to attack
>Make smokescreen circle around battleships
>They actually fucking stop in the smoke
>Enemy bogue player completely dumbfounded and keeps spinning his torp planes in a circle
>They get wiped out by AA before he even drops a single torp
>End up protecting the two BB's from 2 other attack runs
>win game easily

Fuck it feels good to be Escort DD

Superintendent or high alert for US cruisers? I'm thinking superintendent for the extra DF charge, but then again with 3 i might not need it anyways, but high alert will take off like 2 or 3 seconds at most, which is kind of useless.

>>121868840
>https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=499543544

>USN carrier firing shells out of the command spire
>obvious lack of weight to ships

Have fun!

>>121866320
Trust me. Just somehow get through it. When you get tier VI the USN equivalent is complete garbage and you can rape his fighter setup with overwhelming and never ending fighter groups.

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>>121868840
>that Iowa

>>121880213
stole the kill from fletcher

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I was busy with work and just got home. Logged in just to see the server count on NA, it sat at 6k.

How was it at primetime? Has WG finally managed to kill the game for good?

>>121868840
>IT'S TORPEDO TIME!
BWAHAHAHAHA

>IJN using the rising sun flag
Jesus christ. While the effects look a generation behind WoWS this is clearly going to give WoWS enough of a run for its money that wargaming has to take their heads out of their asses.

>>121880591
aimassist don't work anymore

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>>121880591
ded as fuck
/vg/ chat deder as fuck

>>121879021

>Yamato/A-150 getting sunk at least 4 times in one of those trailers.

Obvious anti-nip bias.

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>decide to try co-op for lels
>retarded NM, kongo and fuso destroyed by one bot NM
>tfw they only did 12k damage on NM
actually lost a co-op game

>>121880591
peak is around 14k

>>121881143
>there are war vets that plays only co-op because they don't know pvp exists

>>121880591
>Has WG finally managed to kill the game for good?
a not intended bug from the end of CAT which made the game working as intended was hidden fixed in 5.1 but now the game after this bugfix isn't working as intended anymore and made a lot of people mad while annoying a big chunk of others, only a small portion here seems to like the change.
If this wasn't enough there was another annoying hidden change for CVnts, hopefully a bug, which seriously hurt/killed the class.
WG already said their top priority right now is an hotfix for this fucked patch since they smelled the pitchforks
Oh, aim assist for now is dead for good, poland said it's still working on it but there is no ETA.

SerB PLS COME BACK

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>>121882736
For all the shit we gave him, SerB in charge was infinitely better than the marketing department in charge.

New ranked season when? Will it have T5 & T6 ships?

>>121882929
what even was his job

>>121885402
head of design.
Then he got promoted to some bureaucratic job where he can't help prevent the games from going to shit.

>>121885812

We may have all ragged on serb's balancing ethics in WG games but goddammit they actually made more sense than the shit that goes on in WoWs. It actually kind of insane

>team says go B and C
>Play for C
>Team turns around and goes A
Thanks fucking shits

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>>121880591
Would point out that the new Fallout game came out today so that's likely where the population went.

>>121887126
>trusting anything anyone says

There's no trust in this game.

>>121888486
>Playing bethesda games

>>121887126
>>121888679
Your team is just there to distract the enemy while you do the carrying for them.

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Should I just give up and install a Lead-indicator mod?

>>121889509

Aim assist is ded atm.

>>121889509
it won't help you anyways that much because how the armor now works.

>>121881427
>a not intended bug from the end of CAT which made the game working as intended was hidden fixed in 5.1 but now the game after this bugfix isn't working as intended anymore
What kind of paradox is this?

>>121889509
The fact that it isn't part of the base game is kind of really fucking stupid. It's not like it gives that much of an advantage to anyone due to the way RNG dispersion work and the huge amount of shell travel time that allows anyone to dodge shots.

The only thing this would really harm a lot is DDs, but that's only because DDs in the game are depicted 30-50% larger than they were in real life. If they were made realistic sizes then they would be balanced well.

>>121891171
Wargaming intended battleships to be a carry class and cruisers to support
With the armor changes to AP battleships are now significantly less effective to the point of bouncing on even slightly angled cruisers. This is because internal ricochets off the citadel armor which should do 30% damage because it penetrated the external armor are counted as ricochets and do no damage.

The AP change fixed armor so that multilayer armor setups should now be more effective, but it killed AP because it doesn't register initial penetrations properly.

On a side note these fucking teams tonight holy shit I've never seen anything so bad. EVERY game has had a baBBy or baBBies hiding behind our carriers. Every game I die early because we absolutely get swarmed and I still come out ahead of the people who should be carrying. I saw a fucking carrier with DOUBLE DIGIT XP.

>>121891532
Then we just wait for WG to actually fix the armor and penetration mechanics so tehy work as intended, and then see how cruisers do?

If they manage that and not fuck it up any more, and if the game is not dead before then it might actually end up more fun and good.

>>121891532
wg also intended bb to be hard to play, not for every babby like they were pre patch

>>121894282
>hard to play
>switch to HE to rek the cruiser if it doesn't show the broadside
It's still retardedly easy.

>>121894376
>switch to HE to rek the cruiser if it doesn't show the broadside
But now CAs gets more damage if they are angled

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>>121894494
>CAs get more damage if they are angled
>opposite_day.jpg

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>>121896531

Yep. WG has broken CVs too.
Thanks to the dogfighting bug, tier 4 langley fighters will wipe every single squadron a Midway has in the air at once and still have enough ammo for more.

I don't even want to take out my BB. I just see now point now. Not when I shoot a Zao and do less than 10k damage and he proceeds to a 15k salvo with HE, light 3 fires and fire again before I've even reloaded.

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Would you an Austro-Hungarian Tegetthoff class?

Could be a nice t4 bb.

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Which nation has the better Carrier line?

Not asking which has the better Tier X, but which one will be more enjoyable to grind to Tier X in.

>>121897548
Now you know how the DDs and CAs feel :°)

>>121897819
Will be German prem BB eventually

>implying the game will not be dead long before then

>>121897982
I'd say the IJN experience is definitely superior through mid-tiers, and t9-10 are your preference on squad size vs number of squads. Langley and Bogue stomp most Houshou and Zuihou players though.

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>>121898071

Considering I actually play DDs and CAs, I've known how they've felt and these nerfs are too fucking much.

Also as a sidenote.
Wavecave, stop shitting up the forums. I don't want to see your poor grammar and paki tier arguments.

What the fuck is it with teams tonight? ten fucking games in a row where I'm the last alive with the most damage, against at least half the enemy team.

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>>121898249
>these nerfs are too fucking much.
The current state is not intended.

CVs are bugged to the point of 'why even play'.
And while I think CVs at high tiers needed a bit of toning down, this is obviously not working as intended in any way, shape or form.

Same for AP overpenetrating, scoring underwater hits and being able to deal non-citadel damage properly..
This is all not working as intended, and while the fact that it got released tells us sad and hilarious things about WG's QA process I expect WG to fix this shortly.

Or maybe it takes them three months like when CVs were clicking on everything, or when the BBs could delete any cruiser at will or when fire damage was at 'it's raining napalm' levels.
>mfw

>>121898618
I know m8
>lose gun near the start of a t7 match in ognevoi
>still finish above everyone but one guy.

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>>121898694

Agreed though WG can't afford to wait 3 months now. Fallout 4 has come out and Steel Ocean releases in 2 days. Coupled with Armored Warfare chugging along, WG can't afford to waste time.
There are too many new competitors and games coming out to draw their playerbase away for good if they don't double down and fix this.
I'm mildly excited to see what shit these chinks have cooked up on Steel Ocean.

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>>121898694
pic related after 5 months of playing this 'game'

>>121898801
Only steel ocean is relevant. FO4 will take people for a bit but they'll be back. AW is tanks and most people playing botes have less interest in tanks.

Hopefully the chinks release a good enough product that WG goes into panic mode like they did with WT tanks.

The fact that steel ocean actually has the rising sun flag flying on nip botes is enough to make me try it.

I hope Steel Ocean does DDs better.

>>121898774
Is it because everyone is so fucking stupid as to actually go play a shitty Bethesda game?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk7UhLFSlJ8

This is the most recent video of actual gameplay I can find of Steel Ocean

Also
>subs

mite b gud

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>>121898694
>fire damage was at 'it's raining napalm' levels.

but fire chance/damage is still at napalm levels.

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>tfw you don't go down easy as the last ship and take 3 others with you
>tfw ripped apart full hp fuso at 4km
>deleted two omahas
bad feelings desu

Premium worth buying?

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>>121898971

Consider at steam launch. Steel Ocean is set to have actual night battles, more ships better sinking animations and manual AA/secondaries with just more overall content.

>>121899243
>Botes actually have roles.
>Battleship attempting to shoot enemy torpedos in the water.
Neat.png.

>Those CV mechanics.
Sold.
Crazy pills.

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>>121898827
>5 months
Try 15 months.

pic very much related