/smtg/ - Shin Megami Tensei General

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I see that it is a lazy sunday for the general.

>666 = Devil

Does any particular stat affect negotiation successes in Strange Journey? I'd imagine Luck like most games without Int, but I'm also not sure if they removed that because you can't actually assign your stats.

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>>121695904
>>121701970
The separation was a good idea because this is one of the few places on the internet where you can talk about SMT without Persona waifufags.

Your proposal sucks.

>>121709162
Hmn, I don't think so anon.

Only thing that really affects it is the sub apps and moon system.
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Does anyone else know if there are moon based puzzles in SJ?

SMT IV a shit

When is the alignment lock in SMT II?

Did we unlock all the prizes on the Final website?

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>>121708869

>>121709880
>we

>>121710142
"We" as in all the SMT fans.

Or are you some sort of outcast?

I HAVE YOUR BACK TO THE WALL

>>121710204
You didn't do anything to unlock the goals though.

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>>121710001
Do you guys remember the fan OST?

I still think that it's pretty cool, specially disc 2.

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>>121710225
ONE MORE GOD REJECTED!

>>121710404
Those are some nice implications.

>>121710656
You clearly don't know what implications are. Are you the ironic guy from last night?

>>121709189
And im sure it would only last until P5 release aniways.

>>121709162
Probably luck or still random as hell, get the app that allows you to be forgiven by a demon once if you give a false answer.

>>121709416
The last dungeon has a section were you need to go to certain teleporters at certain moon phases.

When is the alignment lock in SMT?

>>121709676
When meeting Lucifer and Zayin.

You will know it when you see since they asks you to join.

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>"Oh, thanks, kid, for defeating that huge green penis"
>"Here, take this and myself, o-only if you want, of course!"

>>121711037
Is this a meme.

>>121711256
So that's how Megido Fire looks.

>>121711256
I still dont get what is good about that gun, 60 MP for that shitty skill makes it seems like a joke weapon.

Can you make a SMT clone with RPG Maker?

>>121708876
666=Nero
Also 616=Nero
Translations are fun

>>121711029
There's no need to.

/pg/ will come back to life after the release of P5, and we already have Final, so for both generals can have something new to talk about.

>>121711408
I'm not sure of how faithful to the series you could be, but I guess you can to some degree.

I remember that there was a guy who was talking about an indie dungeon crawler game called "Demon" where you could do negotiations with demons and recruit them to your party.

>>121710001

it makes me happy to see that people still use this image.

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>>121711401
Nothing, being a lawfag sucks.

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>>121711820
Of course. /smtg/ has made some pretty fun OC over the years.

>>121711340
>what do you mean I shouldn't randomly use words that I don't understand? You're so dense!
What the fuck am I reading? What is up with all the shitty trolls in this general lately?

>>121711037
SMT1? Flood.

>>121709416
In one quest the phases of the moon act as a time limit.

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>>121711408
What are you talking about? It already exists.

>>121713231
>you started to have an autistic fit
Second guy here, you do realize you just proved his point about the last word thing right? Why do you feel the need to be a troll here? It's not helping anything.

>>121711408
Yes, in fact someone in Japan remade SMT1 for VX.

>>121713718
not him but fuck off, you're not any better than him

False reincarnation of the Goddess.

>>121714076
>you're not any better than him
Your logic puts you there as well, good job. Instead of attacking people for not being to stupid to have any standards you could have not replied or helped fix the problem.

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>Attack-type Demonica growth
>STR is 20 points behind everything else

>>121714876
>you all began arguing about semantics for no reason.
Except I didn't, I'm >>121712364, but I guess I should have just posted
>fuck off, you're not any better than him, and neither am I since I'm making this post, so meta XD

>>121714876
First guy here.
This is exactly what I feared, and I guess it was my fault for replying one more time, so sorry.

Let's just stop, please.
You did nothing wrong, anon, but let's stop.

>>121713498
How is undertale anything like SMT?

>>121715446
You can kill all your friends.

>>121716005
>Friends
They're monsters, not friends.

>>121716113
So it's like Nocturne then

>>121714496
Everytime, It always happens to be the lowest or second lowest stat for me.

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>>121716113
okay sorry

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Ready for a cozy /smt/ winter soon?

>>121716495
>hanging your clothes outside at below freezing

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>>121716495
It's about time. I hate summer.

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>been farming the trumpeter for 4 hours
>nothing
>that 1 fucking monster spawn that 90% of the time forces you to attack it or let it attack you wasting precious seconds over retrys

WHO THE FUCK WTHOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD FUCKIGN IDEA JESUSH FUCK. the fiends are ICONIC smt demons, why are they s STUPID and RARE

>>121717908
They're iconic for being stupid and rare, you know.

Real talk here.

Have the Atlus fans unlocked all the twitter rewards on the Final website?

You guys think they'll ever port or emulate SJ on 3DS?

>>121718284
No because it didnt perform well.

>>121718284
I would buy the shit out of it if they did, but they probably won't.

>>121718516
Neither did Soul Hackers

>>121718284
I really don't know.

But I would prefer a SMT I+II remake.

>>121717908
You having bad luck with trumpeter?

I encountered him 3 times by pure and utter chance.

... You had trouble with red rider?

Be grateful it isn't 1/256 anon.

>>121718590
Yeah but SJ was a relatively big budget project.

>>121718676
SMT I + II + if...

That would be a killer combo

>>121718942
That would be amazing, and I have the feeling that it would sell some decent numbers.

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>>121719165
And I have a feeling it won't happen!

>>121718942
>all that old school dungeon crawling in one package
>would most likely be released on a mobile console
Atlus please

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>>121719254
>mfw it does happen and the if... translation still isn't finished

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>>121719483
Are you Law anon? 'Cause you're having a lot of faith there.

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>>121719483
Atlus, please do it!

>>121718942
They already remade those, I don't think they're interested at all.
They should just go back to making nice dungeon crawling MT games.

Despite everything DeSu2 does wrong, it did a good job at making the alignment leaders defy the player's expectations.

Is SMT1/2 best enjoyed on IOS?

>>121719832
when did they remade II and if...?

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>>121719832
You mean the PSX ports?
if... is still exclusive to Nipland though, but I guess the likeness of that happening is small.

Honestly, Atlus has spent too much time rereleasing games and milking P4. So I'm not sure how much time will happen until they make a brand new spin-off.

>>121720095
For the PS1.

>>121720054
I replayed SMT I on iOS and enjoyed it greatly. It's a shame SMT II iOS isn't translated.

>>121717908
>the fiends are ICONIC smt demons
Then why have the ones you're talking about been in less than half the SMT games?

>>121720404
Well...SMT IV Final.

>>121721229
Yeah, but it is SMT IV.5

I know that they said that it was gonna be a Maniax edition that grew too big, but I still think that they are reusing tons of things.
I would compare it to the differences between Mario Galaxy 1 and 2.

>>121720404
Those aren't just ports.

They don't need to make a new spinoff, just making another SJ would be great already.

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What's your favourite demon/angel/whatever don't be a bitch /smtg/?

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>>121723242
>>121723242
tfw chaosfag but fell in love with archangel designs in smt4

gabriel a best

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>>121723534
I'm also a chaosfag but Mastema is too good.

>>121723534
>this utter shit taste

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>>121723607
>Mastema
>Trustworthy

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>>121723797
Please don't bully him, he only wants to do right for the Lord.

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>>121723242
This handsome devil

>>121723998
Is this the memest demon of all?

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>>121723992

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>>121723242
>tfw no Beelzebub in Strange Journey

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>>121723242
All demons in megaten stick to the concept of greek daemons, so don't worry about the terms.

My favorite is Cerberus.

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>>121724085
Louisa might be my favourite Luci form. I was really fond of Hikaru in IV but Louisa takes the cake.

>>121724435
I wasn't worried about it, I was worried someone else would do it.
Hi Pascal anon.

>>121717973
this baka

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>>121725123
So why does lucifer make himself look like cute girls all the time

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>>121723242
Baphomet always.

>>121719165
>I have the feeling that it would sell some decent numbers

Digital only + Atlus Tax = failure as a remake

I'll buy it.

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>>121725969
To tempt the son of man probably

>>121726137
>Digital only
are you a yuro?

>>121721489
Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment is probably closer to home.

>>121725969

Everyone wants to be the little girl.

>>121726267
No, but I'm a hopeless fool who bought the new PW + all but two of the Guild games (only due to being cheap, and then broke during sales)

>>121725969
I'm almost certain that Lousia is a man dressed like a woman.

>>121726242
Oh man, I want to fuck those semen demons

>>121726507
Upon further thinking, it would probably be better to dump the PSX versions on PSN for PS3/4/V compatibility.

>>121726857
You still won't be able to play it in english.

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>>121724181
>No death flies
>No Baal or Baal Zebul
>cant even fuse mem Aleph as a small replacement

>>121727230
Well, the idea was it would be better for port them. PSN is usually nicer.

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>>121723242
Vishnu has always been one of my favorites. Shiva too. Shame that the whole Trimurti isn't available as a set of summonable demons in any of the games.

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Well Alioth is piece of shit.

>>121727583
I think you can have Brahman, Vishnu and Shiva in Innocent Sin or Eternal Punishment, I'm not sure. Would be cool to have them all in mainline though.

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>>121727346
Thats wrong though, even if he doesnt appear SJ gave us superior Mastema and Ashera.

>play SH
>tfw Moowis OHKOs my MC with Megido/Megidola no matter what I do
>battle seems to take forever

I don't want to restart that battle again goddamn it. I should probably ally with some strong demons since my party is quite low leveled but even if I would that fucker would OHKO me

>Nozomi is older than Nanashi
>probably going to be a bit of teasing

Will Atlus' love for older female/younger male strike again?

>than they will casually mention about Dagda and Danu

>>121728738
Wait, Mem Aleph is neutral?

>>121728738
>Mem Aleph is neutral
what the fuck is this bullshit?

>>121730356
>>121730361
She just wants the best for earth, if humans didnt fucked it up she would had no problem with them ruling it.

>>121728738
Tiamat is so lewd...

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[in Io voice] Io!

>>121732403
[in anon voice] Autism!

>>121719853
I felt the same way. If only Ronaldo wasn't an idiot and the game didn't spend most of its time sucking off Yamato.

>>121733159
>and the game didn't spend most of its time sucking off Yamato.
But then nobody would play it.

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>>121732403
[in noble voice] FUCK YOU

>>121730356
>>121730361
666 = mem aleph
mem aleph = neutral
neutral = Satan
satan = lucifer
lucifer = lucifrost
lucifrost = jack frost
jack frost = chaos

>>121732403
>>121734013
I'm liking this meme.

>>121734707
[in /smtg/ voice] I'm liking this Meme!

>>121734013
Give me the password... or die. [in Chinese]

>>121732403
l like to think he just grabs some coins lying around and trace them do make their boobs.

>>121734551
Jack Frost is neutral though

>>121734551
Illuminati confirmed.

>>121735795
That's what he wants you to think.

>>121735206
>doing designs for Oppai Banzai Shooting Squad at a cafe
>"man i'm hungry, I'm gonna get a snack"
>pays for a snack with some pocket change, goes back to drawing
>"alright time for the boobs"
>only has different sized coins
>character ends up with one huge boob and one merely big boob

such inspired designs

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;-;

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>Mem Aleph phase two
>just realize l had Counter ring on
>she hits me for 27, counter reflects, 870 of damage at my own face

Silly.

>>121738676
Reflected damage is the no. 1 cause of death.

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>>121736569
I think that's happened before. Yasuda has kind of cruddy proportions.

>>121742280
damn look at those titties though

>>121742534
Some day you'll see breasts in real life, anon.

>>121742534
you see how the girl in red's left breast appears significantly larger than her right, even though she's not leaning to the left or anything? that's what I'm talking about

>>121742704
That happens in some women though asymmetrical breasts

>>121742696
Been there done that, not too impressed. Asses are better anyway.

>>121742704
One titty is being squished, anon.

>>121742704
One of the breasts is pushing against the other chick though.

>>121743030
Not usually to that extent.

>>121743096
>>121743195
It is being squished but look at how fat her left is. If her right was that size just because it was squished it'd be a lot fatter, but it's actually thinner. That doesn't add up.

>>121739237
Isnt MA? Or heck even Mother Kiss.

>>121743485
The actual issue is that Yasuda just tries to fit as much titty as possible into the picture. At that angle you really shouldn't be able to see the other side, but he knows his audience. They want quantitty over quality.

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>>121743485
>muh anime titties arent real enough

real tits are 99% of the time subpar. stop caring so much about the physics of cartoon tits and just enjoy them

you're a fucking lawfag arent you

yasuda is the rob liefield of tits

>>121745026
Don't worry, I love anime tits too. I just think discussing artist flaws is interesting.

>>121745026
>enjoying Yasuda art

Whoo! I got all the non-DLC demons in SMTIV recruited and all the endings! Now I can stop playing this shit game!

>>121749813
All the Famed too, right? And the fiends?

>>121749813
Why would you keep playing a game you don't even like to 100%?

>>121749895
Don't forget Undead Corpse! The GOAT accident fusion!

>>121749968
I usually try to 100% demon compendiums in any MT game I play that has it. It makes me feel like there's nothing left or forgotten.

>>121749895
Yup! I had really shitty luck going for Lanling Wang, d'Arc, Tokisada, Chemtrail, Red Rider, and Pale Rider but eventually got them.

>>121749968
Autism.

>>121750154
Cool, congratz. Just in time for SMTIVF!

Playing DeSu2 right after the first one is so weird.
There's like a huge shift in atmosphere

>>121751000
Yeah. It's arguably one of the weakest parts of the game. The characters go from being desperate survivors to directly working for the ones in charge of Japan, if not the world.

>>121750154
>tfw still have at least 2 more playthroughs until I can get all the demons
>in addition to law and chaos endings I need to do shit like join walter when he and johnathan split, but end up being law aligned when it happens so I can lilith and some other demon fusable
fuck

>>121751000
>>121751547
I didn't care about that at all.

The only problem I had with DeSu2 is its identity crisis and everybody that isn't named Yamato behaving like a drooling retard that forgot where they were.

Haven't played it, but why does everyone hate Ronaldo but excuse Yamato when from what I've seen they're both hardline extremists?

>>121752740
one wants the d the other doesn't

>>121752740
most of 4chan are neo-nazis and social darwinists

>>121752740
Yamato is just a teenager that reads Ayn Rand and thinks he knows everything about the world when he doesn't, and he grows out of it. Ronaldo is a 26 year old man acting like a retarded communist and makes the disaster worse with his terrorism, and never grows out of being retarded.

But to be honest I think Yamato's main benefit is that he's fuckable and willing and that's the real reason. If he wasn't pretty and gay as hell for the MC, I doubt people would go easy on him.

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>>121752964

>at Carina
>zelenin says she never shops on an empty stomach

Aw, she's so thrifty. Despite her lawfaggotry, I think Zelenin kind of charming. In a platonic way, of course. Like a little sister or something.

>>121752740
Yamato leads taking care of the Septentriones and is the one rewarding you with free food and shelter for your competence, even if he's a huge STRfag and a jerk. I can't remember anything useful Ronaldo ever did. Also helps Yamato's case that he gets moeblob moments in his social link shit and a sympathetic reason for being an asshole, as well as the most extreme character development in the game that feels rewarding because it's entirely because of the player.

>>121745026
Yasuda's art isn't good enough for me to enjoy.

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Really enjoying Record Breaker so far, goddamn this game gets lewd though
>How lovely

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>>121757328
Bonus pic, Miiverse is cool
How am I doing /smtg/?
Currently trying to put the beatdown on Kama, fucker's too damn fast though so I've got to corner and assblast him I guess

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>>121757328
>Large

>>121757328
>Large Leader
Ketchup waitin' huh

>>121757870
If I remove your friends will you die?

>>121757912
I can't believe I never noticed that, shit just got a lot funnier

>>121753280
so they go on 4chan and/or reddit

>>121758127
Yamato is the /pol/ to Ronaldo's tumblr.

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>>121757328
if you think that's lewd you haven't seen anything yet

>>121758732
That's exactly the scene I was referring too

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>>121758864
oh whoops

but there's still a ton of lewd stuff later. desu2 is kind of shameless

>>121759132
They're already past that if they're at Kama.

>>121759132
That was before the earlier picture
Still great though, the reactions going up to each of them asking them to be sexy was priceless though

you sound like vitagen faggots.

>>121759662
>you
>not a new IP
Epic. No bumps for shitposts, faggot.

>>121759132
Holy shit, hot.

>>121759132
You know I have pretty low standards when it comes to anime designs but the more I see Yasuda's work the more I agree with people that he sucks.

Never mind the circular boobs, what's up with their shoulders? It doesn't even look like they're shrugging, but as if they're dislocated.

>>121752740
Ronaldo: acts like a "fighting fire with fire" SJW. Probably a Marxist. Blows shit out of proportion and jumps to conclusions. Wastes peoples time. Even after you recruit him he's still a hot-headed moron, and his logic for his Triangulum arc ending is so fucking dumb that it's mind blowing.

Yamato: views are basically Yosuga but will eventually knock it off if you deprave him of your dick. Irreversibly fucked up from his upbringing but at least learns to keep his mouth shut so you'll like him. Humorously affectionate. Eventually puts you above everything else including himself and his Triangulum arc ending is just as much yours as it is his.

>>121760284
Yeah his shoulders and arms are weird. It looks like he draws the torso and head first, then just slaps on some arms.

>>121760557
Also they wouldn't have gotten through the disaster without Yamato in either arcs.

Would you rather play Persona 5, or SMT 4-Final?

I didn't like how Ronaldo was a flaming hypocrite.

>>121762108
Final

>>121762108
At the moment I say Final because I have been itching for more SMT recently. I wish if... was translated already.

>>121762220
How so?

>>121762220
More like he was just a liar that didn't actually give a shit about helping the weak and just wanted to kill Yamato for supposedly killing his sempai that deserved it for snooping on secret government shit even though he wasn't actually dead anyway.

>>121762735
Kills innocent people, sabotages the greater good, claims everyone deserves a chance but apparently doesn't apply to people he doesn't like, all while claiming to be on a higher moral ground than everybody else.

>>121763005
He didn't deserve to die for investigating a government geology department. Arrested maybe, but not killed.

>>121763492
He knew there was something he shouldn't look into, because he suspected it wasn't merely a "geology department". You have it coming when you do that shit.

Dera Deka wasn't targeted until he found out about Yamato's family, and Yamato's family needed to stay private for understandable reasons.

What's more important, one dude's life, or the rest of Japan?

>>121764000
both. Go Neutral.

yamato's parents must be hot. i bet his mom and dad are cousins.

>>121763839
The government shouldn't kill people like that. It isn't surprising, but that doesn't mean he deserved it. That's like saying that you deserve it if you left your door unlocked at night and someone robbed you. Ronaldo was right to be pissed, but he handled it in an awful way.

>>121765189
>That's like saying that you deserve it if you left your door unlocked at night and someone robbed you
You do. Lock your fucking door.

>>121765462
don't victim blame please

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3En44mz77pQ
Remember this autism?

I need tips on beating Polaris and what skills to put on AO since he's fucking useless

>>121765987
yes

>>121766198
reflect phys

>>121765987
Everything is autism.

>>121765987
>Raidou Nocturne translated and released on PS3 but SMT IV gets delayed
Man, that would have been such a good deal.

>>121765462
A world where laws mean nothing. Maybe the WORLD OF STRENGTH was around us all along?

>>121767804
Or maybe just a world of common sense.

>>121767804
You do realize Law propagates the WRLD OF STR bullshit, right?

That's the entire point of Law.

>>121767872
>stealing is common sense
Oh, America.

>>121765462
>Yamato apologist sounds like Yamato

>>121768127
>calling Ronaldo and his senpai a retard makes you an apologist

If I was an apologist I would be defending his personal views.

Yamato literally did nothing wrong in regards to what Ronaldo was persecuting him for. We don't even know if he made the call, and he probably didn't.

>>121768080
except Law's WORLD OF STR is everyone accepting god as the strongest and sucking his dick for eternity instead of doing anything else, like living, or improving themselves

/smtg/ sure loves to shit on DeSu2.

I remain neutral since I haven't played it (and don't intend to). But what's the reason for this? it seems to happen pretty often.

>>121768645
Nobodys even shitting on it right now.

>>121768645
DeSu 2 is like DeSu 1 gameplay wise, which is fine
but then they replace the plot with evangelion
and then they add in faux social links to unlock demons, along with heaping helpings of fanservice

>>121768601
Yes, and? That still revolves around the strong being in power. It's just always the same strong tyrants instead of any hope for change.

>>121768406
He probably didn't, but if he did he should have been investigated and brought to justice. He wouldn't have been, of course, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't.

No one should be above the law, Satan would have my back on this one.

>>121769070
You can't "bring to justice" someone who is guilty of discovering supernatural shit they shouldn't have and letting them go would destabilize the country and then the world.

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SJ is fun

How does /smtg/ generally feel about SMT4's system? At first I thought it was cool that they got rid of defensive stats/level as a damage factor, but now I'm not so sure.

I'm in my first NG+ run and am actually finding it harder than my original run I did New Life in spite of the fact that I have been using massively overleveled demons from the Compendium, simply because I'm not fusing as much, finding as much stuff, experimenting as much, and finding that I'm missing some of the things that made my original strategies successful.
Literally, missing something like 'Doping' is the difference between a breeze and getting wrecked may times, even with level 70+ demons at my disposal ludicrously early.
Also since I'm underleveled compared to my original run, I'm seeing the bosses often get to go first, which is the difference between getting wrecked and having no issue whatsoever in many cases.

It's as though the system has been reduced to a sort of puzzle, where the one which goes first has a massive advantage regardless of any other factor. I understand there's a lot of 'git gud' in here, but I'm not complaining so much as looking at it from a purely systemic perspective and asking 'is this positive?'

tl;dr thoughts on SMT4's system? Are these positive changes for the series?

>>121769238
Than it's a shit system that needs to be reformed, even if it does destabilize things.

LEGALIZE DEMON SUMMONING

>>121770086
They're neat, but I wouldn't want to see them return in SMTV.

>>121770086
I miss press turn, but I like the no defense.

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>>121770086
>At first I thought it was cool that they got rid of defensive stats/level as a damage factor, but now I'm not so sure.
It was never a good thing

Sounds like you need to-
>I understand there's a lot of 'git gud' in here, but I'm not complaining so much as looking at it from a purely systemic perspective and asking 'is this positive?'

Nevermind. It isnt.

>>121770086
I just want phys attacks to use HP again

Man I hate how I put games down on puzzles

Anyone here have the manchildren patch Orden made?

>>121771521
C'mon anon you can do it. Finish that puzzle and see the rest of the game. For me?

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>beat neutral ages ago but lingered before doing a ng+ so I can grind fiends/famed accidents
>doing that all added about 30 hours onto my playthrough
well fuck me

time for chaos NG+ to try get a bunch of stuff, then i'll do a law run and end it all at the white

>Thanks
you too

>>121771948
What would USA personified look like?

>>121771948
Oh before I forget
I sort of want to do "New Life" NG+ because I want to be able to replay the game again instead of lollercoasting my way through. Demons are already carried over and grinding items and shit isn't that hard with DLC. Is it worth doing?

>>121772139
As a guy in the middle of a New Life NG+ right now, not really. If it actually just kept your clear data and didn't carry over any advantage I might say it was worth it. You either want to play again for real or you don't.

Playing SMT and my only living character is paralyzed, is there even anything to do other than just wait to die?

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>>121772082

>>121772903
Doesn't that wear off after a while?

>>121773020
It's been a while, I was hoping that's the case but it's looking less and less likely.

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>>121772903
No.

>>121773020
He'll most likely run into an encounter before that happens.

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>>121772082

>>121773156
>He'll most likely run into an encounter before that happens.
I'm talking about during a fight.

>>121773167
What is his in game description?

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>>121772082

>>121773310
"A fearful nationalist who fights for his ideology even after death. They are dead people who believe in a unipolar system where the world is led by their own country. The ideologies they carry into death still burn brightly, and they are all the more dangerous with no sense of reason or restraint left."

For some reason Patriots loved to join me.

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely, except for YHVH"

-YHVH

>>121774853
You can't corrupt the incorruptible. God Bless.

>>121775131
Is YHVH infinitely good?

>>121775192
God decides what is and isn't good.

>>121775239
Is YHVH infinitely wise?

>>121775297
God always knows what is best in every situation.

>>121775414
If YHVH is infinitely wise, why should we have doubts concerning our future?

>>121775485
If you truly follow God, your faith should remove all doubt.

>>121775239
No omnipotence = no ultimate source of moral authority.

>>121775131
This is something that has always bothered me about all the judeo-christian religions.
God is absolute, and you are never allowed to question that, because "his perfection trascends human understanding".

Fuck that noice, at least other religions explain their gods better, or at least they make them fallible.

>>121775568
Does YHVH know all?

>>121775885
I wouldn't consider a fallible being to be worth worshiping to be honest.

>>121775580
God is omnipotent.

>>121776191
God knows all and sees all.

>>121776929
If he knows all, then why warn him of our needs and fatigue him with our prayers?

>>121775885
I don't know about the other re legions but the unwavering faith is met with unquestionable acceptance of you no matter what you did as long as you repent in Christianity.

Pretty good deal

>>121777013
Through prayer you show your righteousness and closeness to God.

>>121777413
If he knows all, why would you need to show your closeness?

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Is George Carlin neutral or chaos?

>>121777547
Because He wants you to.

>>121777616
So he's just a dick?

>>121777726
No, He loves you.

>>121777616
why?

>>121777835
The same reason a father would love his son.

>>121777908
If he is infinitely knowing and wise, why test you on something he already knows the answer to?

>>121777908
My father doesn't make me worship him though.

>>121776814
If someone fallible managed to reach godhood, I would consider that to be worthy of praise, since it makes him/her someone relatable that can inspire you to become a better person (assuming that they aren't dicks, like the greeks).

>>121777059
I assume that you mean acceptance from your community and from yourself, right?
That sounds like a good deal if you never bother to question what you do. But mankind would have never advanced if we never questioned things, and I believe that that logic also aplies on a personal level.

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>>121777970
I think you need to not look at this from His perspective, but from ours. This was all created for us, and any tests are for our benefit.

Trying to look at it from His perspective is like trying to understand the purpose of gravity from gravity's perspective. This is not a living being in the way we understand it, closer to a force that permeates the universe.

>>121778251
Is YHVH everywhere?

>>121778291
I'm not him, or the real lawfag.

But I believe that mankind's concept of god is inspired from the universe itself.
Stop considering god as a sentient being; replace the word "god", with "universe", and all those preaches make more sense.

But hey, Shin Megami Tensei.

>>121778656
I'm talking about YHVH as SMT sees him, which is as a sentient being. You're talking about something closer to the Great Will.

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Was he wrong, /smtg/?

>>121778740
SMT sees him as old testament God, from the perspective of a non-believer.

It's not surprising that he is such a dick.

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>>121752740
Yamato is a qt, it seems like the writer put a lot of effort into making his character and forgot everything else.

>>121779171
>rationalizing murder
>ever acceptable

Of course he was wrong.

>>121779171
Yes, because he is an hypocrite.

He considers himself to be unclean scum as well, yet he also feels righteous about his actions because "muh faith".

>>121779287
>>121779528


all he wanted was a world where there would be no evil

>>121780578
And he tries to accomplish that by eliminating anyone that fits his definition of evil, even himself. No thanks.

>>121780578
I believe that his ultimate goal was alright, but his methods were terrible; I would never side with him if I was given the option which is exactly what happened in my file.

And the villagers built a statue of Flynn, which is a kind of pagan worship, so he also failed in the end.

I really miss the old Tiamat design.

So, trying for Neutral end in SMT4, I'm at the alignment lock. Apparently I set it up so that if I destroy the status quo I'm Chaos and if I uphold it I'm Law.

Is there a way to salvage this? 'I don't know' loops you through the dialogue again, does that count for the purposes of setting you to Neutral? What about not pressing the button, coming back to drop the 5 law points?

Anybody been in this before and gotten to Neutral alright?

>>121782157
Your only options are:

leaving first/destroy the status quo
leaving first/uphold the status quo
pressing the button immediately/destroy the status quo
pressing the button immediately/uphold the status quo

If none of those pan out to Neutral, then you've missed it in that playthough. Try not to feel too bad.

>>121782275
>Try not to feel too bad.
Oh, but I'm gonna. This is my second playthrough and I wasn't planning on doing all 3. Poor Ishboo

>>121782275
Ok, so yeah.. none of those got Neutral.

How is this possible? The math being used for this must be wrong correct? -8 to +8 is supposed to be Neutral end, and choosing to preserve/destroy are +10 or -10 respectively, and the button is supposedly a 5 point difference.

So, those choices can net you either +15, +10, -5 or -10. So my value has to be something like..

Any mathematicians around?

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>>121781758
Any particular reason?

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>on NG+
>use all the chat options on Undead Issachar
>chitchat like it was old times
Is there a doctor in the house, I think I'm suffering from trauma

>>121783561
Be slightly chaos before the fight with King Kenji + press the button + choose to preserve the status quo = become neutral

There ya go, no math were needed.

>>121784563
Just wait til you use the Fundraise option on Isabeau.

She gives you her money without any hesitation because of your past friendship.

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sequel when

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>>121784563
>>121786264
>>121786334
did you rike it?

>>121786581
IV.

>>121786674
IV isn't a sequel to SJ

>>121786959
Not a direct one at least.

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>>121786592
I wish it weren't on a machine with 400x240 resolution screens in 2015, but in general yeah.

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>Soulless Army second cycle
>Fight Raiho like ten minutes into the game

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I just bought a New 3DS and a handful of games.
The only SMT games I've played are Nocturne, P1, and the duology of P2.

I got 60 dollars left, what DS/3DS games should I buy? And what is generally considered the best of the handheld SMT games?

>>121787853
There are a ton. There's Strange Journey and IV, Soul Hackers and the Devil Survivor titles. Both SJ and IV are must-have, and the others are really good as well.

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>>121787853
The best handheld title is unequivocally Strange Journey. If you've played Persona 1, you'd be more than ready to jump into that and Soul Hackers, both of which are first person games. Just remember that Soul Hackers is just a port from the Saturn with a few additions made, so it can seem a bit archaic at times.

SMT IV is the most Nocturne-like game on the 3DS since it has press-turn and 3D exploration. It's a pretty solid title, despite its shortcomings. There's a spinoff/sequel coming out next year for it which is looking like it's addressing most of the shortcoming, so it's probably best to play IV before that comes out.

There's also both Devil Survivors which got enhanced rereleases on the 3DS. Overclocked is generally praised, though some people think it's overrated, and is pretty much a more moderate mainline SMT with SRPG movement. Break Record is a bit more divisive since a lot of people disliked the story and characters, which were obviously influenced by the success of Persona 4 and general weebshit, but the gameplay is more polished. If you liked Overclocked and want more of the same, then it's probably worth it.

If you're American, Atlus games are always going on sale on the eshop, so keep an eye out for those

真・女神転生if... translation when?

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>>121789538
literally never

>>121790616
he's been translating it for over 12 years

>>121790890
he's already finished translating it, he's already dumped it in the game, it's just bug fixing that he needs to do now, and he can't fucking be bothered

>>121788752
SJ sucks. I got into a dungeon and stopped playing about 30 minutes later because of the nauseating FoV. What the fuck Atlus

>>121788752
SJ is good and all but I don't understand why people hype it so much and sweep a lot of its flaws under the rug.

It came out after Nocturne so the removal of the press turn in favor of the co-op attack system is a unnecessary step back. Dungeon crawling is done in a similar style to EO with a 1st person FOV, which I personally like, but can be pretty polarizing as some hate the format. Problem is that some of the dungeons are difficult navigating, and its almost always for the wrong reasons.

Instead of offering challenge through enemy encounters that require thought for efficient progress (ala EO), the game throws you through mindless encounter after mindless encounter as you slog through teleport mazes, poison/sleep tiles, pitfalls, rooms where you can't see/your map is useless, and bumping against same looking walls until you find a secret passage that is necessary for story progress. Dungeon crawling basically has no tension because the random encounters are generally pathetic so you just deal with the "puzzles" which instead of relying on clever deduction of the correct path or careful observation just have you go through a ton of trial and error, error, error, and error. Without prior knowledge most of it is just guessing. The main challenge of dungeon crawling in this game comes mainly from backtracking after; pitfalls (which are invisible at first), one way paths/conveyer belts, and teleports (without EO's labeling tools for what goes where) while your resources gradually dwindle.

While you can choose the type of stats your level ups will prefer, its still mostly random, which is a big turnoff for some people. Speaking of stats, you're stuck with the old "Magic is needed for magic defense" bullshit on a purely physical character which is pretty stupid and another step back from Nocturne which tied it to Vit like it logically should be.

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>>121779261
>I need you to dance

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>>121795902

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ4sZgF2EaQ

>>121779261
Desu2's protagonist looks like he's perpetually perplexed.

>Fairy comes up and ask for medicine
>give her medicine
>Fairy is content
>Here you go, you can have this
>received medicine
I...What? Why even?

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>>121805514
Maybe she was just testing you.

So i got devil survivor 2 what am i in for?

>>121806069
play the game and find out

>>121806069
>hey guys I got this game please spoil everything for me

>>121806069
Devil Survivor 1 without the atmosphere and story and loads of fan service

>>121806069
>>121806290
>>121806607
Not that anon, but in a similar vain, should I play Shin Megami Tensei or the original MegaTen? Or both? where the fuck can I even play them?

>SMT 1 SNES
>SMT 2 SNES (both of those have links in the OP)
>KMT SNES with the translation patch (you'll have to find this yourself)

Play them in that order

>>121806709
Basically this plus terrible characters.

>>121801167
What a beautiful arrangement.

It reminds me of the dude who did the piano collections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2jiIG_90Go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfBVRryHgYo

>>121807335
That goes in with
>Devil Survivor 1

>>121787802
Hee-ho bitch, Hee-ho

>>121807335
So, Devil Survivor 1?

>>121787802
get outta here Fred where's Chaika

So, heroine gave me fake IDs and joined me, but they won't let me through to Gotou's base, am I missing something?

>>121808794
Talk with Thorman first

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>>121808949
I can't?

>>121807217
No love for the original?

I just wish these were on 3DS. I hate playing shit on my computer.

>>121809907
Thanks, phone.

>>121809907
If you fucked up and had a full inventory when you got the card you might have to do some memory editing

>>121810039
Awesome. Wonder if I can even do that on my 3DS.

Thanks.

>>121809990
The original Megami Tensei and Megami Tensei were remade and released as Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei with all the improvements made in SMT 1 and 2. It's objectively the best way to play the originals, and the only way unless you speak moon
I think SMT 1 and 2 were put on the Japanese 3DS eshop, but they're never going to get translated

>>121810339
Yep, that's what I thought. Thanks, anon.

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>>121799534
>Random stat distributions
Yeah, fuck that noise. SJ was a good game but damn was I glad when it was over

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>>121808743