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>Shakespearian writing

>Level design (very important)
>Combat mechanic (can be combined. For example, DMC4's style switching and depth, combined with bayonettas witch time)
>Boss fights
>Story
>Length
>Difficulty

>>390136042
DmC's final fight was very decent and it made the whole game worth it. It's a very decent game that gets too much shit. Still, compared to DMC3, it's a bad game, yes.

I like Vergil's style in DmC.

>>390136146
>Level Design
id say DMC4 inspired
>Combat
if Ninja gaiden black had more depth in its combat and didn't have only 2-3 moves/combos that were viable, it would probably be the best hack and slash game out there. Make it somehow like DMC4, with the enemy variety of Bayonetta and yet don't make the enemies be juggle sandbaggs like in DMC3 but not as stiff as ninja gaiden. It's really fucking hard to make a definitive combat system. One thing is for sure, no witch time cheating. If you do have a witch time thing, then make the window really close, like 3 frames, and also make it not possible to spam the dodge button like in bayonetta. The Dodge in DMC4 is pretty amazing but at the end of the day, it doesn't do anything besides style.
>boss fights
DMC3 and bayonetta and a bit of MGR in them.
>story
I just want to care about the characters and for it to have plot tension. Bayonetta did that good, same with MGR and DMC3
>Length
solid 20 hours on the first playthrough
>Difficulty
Ninja gaiden black.

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>MC is half naked girl(male) with nice ass

>>390135919
I'd prefer more lounge jazz desu

>>390137692
can be done. Wehn you're at a savepoint/store/non-action cutscene.

>>390137610
giver her (him) tanned skin too

>Final Boss is Vergil regardless or how unrelated he might be to the games plot and characters

>>390135919
Hack and Slashes are better having their own defined identity, not just being a mishmash of stuff from multiple series

>>390135919
A game with God Hand's combat, but more developed, better level design and more enemy types would be nice.
I don't think that hitting people with a sword is as satisfying generally as punching them is.
MGR is pretty good, but I don't think DMC is, besides Nero's Devil Bringer.

>>390135919
god hand is already the best action game ever made

>>390137756
no. during battle. fuck that generic rock shit. especially with lyrics. instrumental only. dmc3 ruined it by introducing that.

anyway, bayo had more laid back style music to great effect.

>>390137481
>id say DMC4 inspired
Fuck no.

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>>390136203
DMC faggot

>>390137781
i am actually ok with this. Actually, i would be pissed right now if he isnt the final boss.

>>390135919
Make the bosses all glorified QTEs

>>390137850
>>390137819
is it 100% playable on pcsx2?

>>390135919
Anyone that says style switching is needed is immediately going to ruin the game. Style switching is an archaic way to change up inputs, and most of the commands can just be put in the bast moveset, as Bayonetta proves.

Bayonetta's Witch Time, however, is far too powerful, and not just because of the slow down it gives. It also grants double points, generates massive amounts of magic for Torture Attacks, etc.

I'd argue that superforms (Devil Trigger) are much more "fair", as you can still be damaged and staggered.

>>390137481
No More Heroes had a witch time that only lasted <2 seconds, and required very frame specific timing. The second the slowdown ended the enemies you were hitting would block and stagger you out of a combo.

The main problem with action games these days is that enemies don't hit hard enough, they don't defend themselves, and the player has way too many ways to beat the shit out of enemies without punishment.


All in all a good action game needs open-ended combat without walling it entirely behind needlessly convoluted shit like jump cancelling or stance switching, and without making the combat completely nonthreatening.

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>>390138101
>not Sparda

>>390138234
>DMC5 will be a prequel where you play as sparda with pre-teen dante and vergil sections

>>390135919
Must have both the style system from DMC 3 and the bayonetta witch time on dodge system. but allow the bonus you get from close dodging to change depending on what style you have.

Royal guard - instagib the enemy that you dodged (unless a boss or hard enemy)

Trickster - blink between a few enemies doing damage

Swordmaster - Multiply melee damage for a short time

Gunslinger - All ranged attacks bounce between enemies for a few seconds

Doppelganger - Multiply number of doppelgangers for a short time (no limit to number)

Quicksilver - Same as normal witch time

Also the game has have the SSStylin system.

>>390138207
no more heroes had that? I Don't remeber it. Then again, i dropped it very soon. But i beat NMH2

>>390138365
>implying it won't be a DMC4 sequel that ends with Dante's death and Vergil taking his identity

>>390138416
>Also the game has have the SSStylin system.
goes without saying

>>390138425
I think he is talking about shadow stepping. Basically immediately AFTER you block an enemy attack you just move to the side.

Reminder
https://youtu.be/IiD_2j5B3Lg

>>390137781
Still laughing at this way too hard than i should. imagine:
>Finished a very heavy plot tension final hour from a 20 hour long game
>Just as you want to relax and take in the serotonin from the exhausting yet very satisfying fight, vergil appears and the character(s) in game have the same confused reaction as you
>You just start fighting him and he two-hits you
>while the screen fades to the ''you died'' screen, you hear a ''where is your motivation?''
>you press continue
>

>>390138541
isn't that the power ranger guy?

>>390138604
>Beat Vergil
>Devil Hand appears

>>390138604
Is there any game that wouldn't be improved with Vergil as the final boss?

>>390138720
you mean ichigo kurosaki

>>390138720
They're all power ranger guys.

>>390138745
forza horizon comes to mind. Although vergil driving.... fuck give me a sec.

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>>390138915

>>390139037
Fuck

>>390138519
>>390138519
Basically, yeah. You block and then tilt the stick left or right the frame after being struck and he'll slide in that direction and time will slow down for about 1.5 seconds. When it ends the enemy will immediately block and stagger you, keeping the player from exploiting the huge amount of damage they just did.

>>390138745
cooking mama.

>>390139169
been close to 10 years now, i just cant remember this mechanic.

>>390139169
>>390139267
it sounds good though.

>>390138207
I don't understand how any of those things are convoluted. Seems pretty clear cut to me. Is rocket jumping in Quake convoluted? Is animation cancelling in fightan convoluted.

>>390139542
your moms cooking is convoluted

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>>390139213

>>390136146
>Level design (very important)
Least important element. It can fuck off.

>>390139676
Bayonetta suffered from it. I do agree though it's not as important.
>>390139652
Jesus christ dude.
Mario party? No fuck, that would be 10/10.
Actually anything mario related like kart would be massively improved.
I can't think of anything. Maybe some horror game like alien isolation. It would ruin the games' atmosphere, arguably.

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>>390139883
>implying Vergil isn't a top tier horror antagonist

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>>390139883

>>390136146
>>Level design (very important)
I don't think it's that important, just don't do any stupid gimmick levels like bayo and keep it focused on the combat
>>Combat mechanic
I don't want it to get more complex than dmc4 dante, keep some kind of beginner character like nero to ease people into it, don't go with dial combos
>>Boss fights
All I want is a rival fight and we're good
>>Story
Give us an antagonist that can actually threaten dante
>>Length
Around six hours
>>Difficulty
About bayo level

>>390139883
>horror
are you trying to tell me you wouldn't be scared if you get to the end of a horror game to just see vergil walking slowly toward you
he's like the perfect antagonist, working in literally any genre
dante/vergil karaoke battle when

>>390139542
>Is rocket jumping in Quake convoluted?
No.

>Is animation cancelling in fightan convoluted.
Fighting games are purposely convoluted to increase the skill cap, and the input to cancel the animation is fairly simple.

Style switching locks entire movesets behind arbitrary button presses for no real reason.

>>390140019
source?

>>390136146
Do witch time mechanics make games that use it too easy? Like Nier Automata and Transfomers Devastation?

>>390140382
http://devilmaycry.wikia.com/wiki/Vergil/Biography
the devil may cry volume 1 section
it is non canon and alternate universe though

>>390138541
that response was pretty tongue in cheek

>tfw no carlos.jpg

>>390140245
If he had different clothing/made scary like >>390140019
then it could work i guess. Slowly walking toward you while you are hiding and yet you don't know if he knows where you but you just know he knows and yet you decide to not move and when he's 10 meters away, you literally start sweating and pause the game thinking about your life's decision up until that point. You unpause and just start running away only to end up in front of him.

>>390140529
Not too easy, it's just very abusable.
I dropped neir automata 10 hours in because of the combat and oh- w8
>>390140096
Level design IS important. nier automata had absolute garbage level design which definitely harmed the game a lot.

>>390141019
The important part of these games is the character kit, so long as the levels give us the opportunity to play around with that enough it's fine. there's a reason why people play dozens of hours of bloody palace even though its just an arena that spawns waves of enemies. Also Nier A isn't really the same kind of game as this

>>390141858
boorady paraceu

>>390141858
Level design can elevate a good game into a great game.

Nobody would give a flaming fuck about DMC1 in 2017 if it didn't have good level design; but it does, so a lot of people still love it.

>>390144098
I wouldn't say that dmc1 is really the same thing that we're talking about now either

>>390144207
Come again?