>lost match because of things you have no control over WOW

inb4 influx of supposed GMs that browse /v/

You must like multiplayer games a lot.

That's every team-based game except for Team Fortress 2, funny enough.

You see, TF2 isn't the most balanced game in the world, which would mean that a good player really could carry his deadweight team. Games enforcing a strict, no-fun-allowed approach to balance like Overwatch ensures that this specifically can't happen, which actually hurts the competitive spirit of its players since they can never be as special as they desire to be to the effort. They're always a cog.

>>389930626
>>lost match because of things you have no control over

What? Like every other multiplayer game?

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>>389930626
I played three matches of comp tonight, losing all of them. Lost my plat, got off. I'm not hitting diamond this season am I?

>playing online shit where your enjoyment entirely depends on whether people fuck the game up for you or not

>>389930626
Play fighting games then. Or 1v1 RTS games. You can only blame yourself in that case.
Or stop being a friendless loser, get some friends you know are competent at the game.

>>389931451
This, unless you're playing with friends then multiplayer games just aren't worth it.

You are playing a team-based shooter and expecting it to be CoD multiplayer.

>>389931676
No I expect people to work together as a team rather than lose the match by doing whatever they want.

>>389931721
>>389930626
play stupid games get stupid prizes

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>lost match because of things you have no control over
PLAY FIGHTING GAMES.

WITH FIGHTING, YOU ONLY HAVE YOURSELF TO BLAME WHEN YOU LOSE. THIS IS PERFECT.

>hanzo lmb spam clickers getting easy kills
>YUJINO KEYO KEYYYUUUR easy mode "press q to win"

>>389931721
What happened? Run me through it? And be honest yourself and me. If there's something you could do better admit it.

>>389931787
I'm an RTS playing who is trying to transition to FPS because RTS is dead right now (apart from MOBA shit).

>>389931823
Guy sat on Hanzo doing nothing while typing how the team is bad and so on.

>>389931958
And that's it? Were you guys actually doing nothing? Did you respond to him?

>>389931884
>don't want to play MOBAs
>decided to play a MOBA shooter

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>>389930862
No, unless you're playing against absolutely braindead shitters, you cannot carry in TF2. All it takes is a semi-aware medic and you won't be accomplishing anything as you are ripped apart by tard-fire from all directions. Hell, a gaggle of engineers don't even have to know how to play to stymie even the strongest solo offense. You can't shoot in more than one direction, no matter how good you are, sad fact. Also, it's funny that you mention a "no-fun-allowed" approach, because that's exactly how TF2 has been balanced. Heavy made publets cry, so he got nerfed, Spy and Pyro made publets shit blood, so you better believe they got nerfed. They nerfed the fucking AXTINGUISHER, and you're trying to tell us that somehow TF2 is balanced better than Overwatch? You ever wonder why Demoman is so strong? Why he far outclasses everyone else at everything except raw durability? Because if he didn't, he'd be too difficult to play for too low of a reward. He exists in the state he's always been specifically because Valve wants people to actually play him over Soldier at some point. They leave Pyro and Spy in the shit because their "role" is so basic and specific that the game doesn't suffer if no one is playing them, but without Demomen the game would be far worse off.

TF2 was not the right game to bring up in this discussion.

>>389931884
PLAY FIGHTING GAMES. DO IT. WHY WOULD YOU GO FROM 1V1 RTS TO 6V6 FPS?!! WHYY? PLAY 1V1 FIGHTING

They need to stop buffing Junkrat. Fucker is irritating as shit to fight against. What are they gonna do next, make his grenade launcher hitscan so not even Pharah is safe from him?

>>389932140
Fighting games require mechanical skill only in stark contrast to a 5vs5 dota which requires cooperation and proper tactics.

>>389932186
The fact that there is one in every game is proof they went too far. I don't ever think he was bad, just needed an ult rework and nice glass of gitgud. People couldn't do shit with him and now they buffed him even more. Once again inadvertently needing Reinhardt. His shield is worthless as fuck with a rat on the team now.

>>389932186
>make his grenade launcher hitscan so not even Pharah is safe from him?
>thinking pharah is safe from him now with 2 concussion mines

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>>389932257
>Fighting games require mechanical skill
>This is a bad thing because I can't be carried like I can in a team based game.

>>389932341
It's a bad thing for a different reason. Don't be silly, anon.

if you're talking about the fucking crashes on the newer driver updates, I feel ya

>>389932475
or that fucking disconnection out of nowhere in the middle of a fucking ranked game

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>>389932475
>AMD

>>389931884
>RTS is dead right now
Nice meme


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4DF099-DNo

>>389931884
>going from a genre that requires strategy, mechanical skill and reflexes to one of the most dumbed down "competitive" games on the market
You would literally be better off playing MOBAs than OW

>>389932441
>posting on /v/
>expecting rational arguments
You stop being silly

>>389930626
Play fightan games then. Oh wait you can't because you're a scrub complaining about overmeme.

Why do you still play a game after complaining about how shitty it is?

>>389932723
Well I did play fps before. Was into CoD promod, and even played CSGO.

RTS was always my main thing though.

>>389932803
Then play fucking CSGO instead of OW, literally almost anything else is better than OW.

>>389931884
Theres always enough opponents to play against in the bigger RTS like SC2, COH2 and AOE2.

Such a bullshit excuse, that they dont have moba numbers doesnt mean they are dead.

>>389932802
glad learned this a year ago

I honestly think that they should make 8 player deathmatch into a competitive mode with some banned/reworked heroes. After it was released in arcade I haven't even touched ranked but played deathmatch instead because it's really fun and hard to lose at.

>>389932831
The scene in it is great, it's just the gameplay itself is a bit dull for me now. I've got 1200 hours in it and was already the highest rank a bunch of times, so don't really see the point of playing it anymore. It would take so much effort to git gud again.

>>389932887
Even Supreme Commander (faforever) has an active community.

>>389932887
Less than 50k conc is dead, anon, didn't you know

>>389932475
roll back to 17.7.1 nigger, no problemos here

>>389934403
>>389932887
Genre dead means no (or not enough) new games are coming out.

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>an entire game designed around not being able to carry
>nothing you do has any weight to it
>healing is OP
>giant glowing outline that tells you where to shoot
>UGLY art direction and post-processing that abuses color saturation
>still 60 dollars for a shit game with shit community and passable waifus


L O L

>>389934760
>an entire game designed around not being able to carry
That is what made it impossible to enjoy that blizzard's MOBA attempt, heroes of something.

>>389930923
if you dropped down to gold, yeah probably not. if you only play solo q you're not very likely to ever climb out of gold/low plat. the people there are such unbelievable cancer that no matter how well you do you will not win enough games to offset all the losses.

Now is the time for blizzard be giving the ban hammer more freely for uncooperative one tricks, toxic people, and throwers for competive at least, competitive is just a shitfest and major action needs to be done.

>>389935674
>>389934760
>I like playing against inferior players

The thing is there aren't ways to come up with surprising/out of the box strategies that only work when it catches the enemy by surprise and makes them do shit based on panic

What did you have no control over? Your opponents?

>playing Blizzshit games
>playing multiplayer games without friends

dumb cuck lmao

>>389930626
>team-based shooter
>things you can't control
>WHOAAA
Hi DSP

>being this bad

>>389936374
what/who is dsp

Don't play team games if you want your victory to be solely reliant on your skill play fighting games or some other 1v1 multiplayer games

>>389930626
You will enjoy all vidya when you realize it doesn't matter at the end of the day. Win/lose it's all the same. Just have fun and enjoy the ride you cuck.

>>389930626
Just throw the match when they don't want to play seriously and REPORT EVERYONE.

>>389930626

team based games are garbage unless you play with friends. either get some real friends, join a discord group, or just dont buy team based multiplayer games

>>389930626
>any control over anything anywhere
you've got to let go anon

>>389931787

1v1 online games are a blow up tho. especially online fighting games. tier list whores, lag, yolo shit, lag switchers and rage quitters etc. its terrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIeB8vLx-6M

>>389936892
Then get an offline community going.

But i agree that fighting games really dont work out too well online, because of the issues you mentioned.
Especially timing critical games dont work out well with online delay.

RTS works the best as a 1on1 online genre, as they dont suffer from most of those issues.

But fighting games on- and offline are two entirely different worlds, its almost like you are playing a different game.
The degrading term online warrior doesnt come out of nowhere.

>>389934760
>the neckbeard hivemind will never not be bootyblasted by the success of overwatch

delicious

>>389937517
I am not all that much bootyblasted, rather than disapointed.

I did get my monies worth out of the game with like 200-300 hours of playtime and it was actually fun for most of that time.

But if it would just have an ounce of depth it could have been a good competitive game to git gud at.

Too bad there is nothing to get good at and the game gets stale because of that.

No mechanical skill to practice, no advanced strategies, just basic plays.

>>389937830
>But if it would just have an ounce of depth it could have been a good competitive game to git gud at.

>Too bad there is nothing to get good at and the game gets stale because of that.

How I can tell you're gold at best. Go fight a diamond or higher of any given dps class and tell me there's no potential to get good at it.

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>Cooldowns and single button mobility mechanics in a FPS

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Anyone else just wish the game had some decent community-server support like TF2 does?

I'm tired of "Ranked or 5 hour Queue"

Arcade and Quick Play aren't fun at all, and I don't like Blizzard controlling what Game Modes I can play for the current patch.

I just want to fuck around on a Minecraft server with Instant respawn for a few hours. I can't do that in Overwatch.

>>389935228
Wrong.
You are simply so shit that you deserved to be in that rank.
I'm master and able to go back to master even though i dropped to plat from master once for tilting too much.
I even helped my brother to get his diamond rank while he clearly deserved to be stuck in plat.

>>389938420
I'm not up to date on gamer terminology. A queue used to mean wait time to get into a full MMO server. Not being an MMO, what does it mean here.

If you know why/when Single Player became "Campaign" that would be helpful as well.

>It's a team based game
>People buying the game understand that it's a team based game
>The point of the game is to win utilizing team work
>Team starts to suck
>"Come on guys we have to kick their ass"
>"BRO Y U SO MAD LOL! IDS JUSS A GAEM N I PLAY FER FUN DUNT B SO MAD LOL XD"

People of this sort need to be lined up against a wall and shot.

>>389938070
>g-go beat the super cuck platinum god exodia rank and then you can judge my shit game
LOL

>>389938534
Queue is wait time until Blizzard's server finds other 11 players it assumes to be of your skill to put into a new game instance with you.

>>389930626
>2017 still playing OverBlacked

>>389938660
agreed.

>>389938661
>shifting the goal posts

This is the intellectual prowess of the contrarian hivemind. Stay a shitter.

>>389938660
A large majority of other Team Based Games, including First Person Shooters give players the ability to carry a lot more weight on their shoulders as a single player, but Overwatch does not.

Team-Based game or not, alone you're extremely weak in Overwatch.

>>389938860
>shifting the goal posts
I am not even the same anon, but video game discussion would be fucked if every shit company adds ranks to make retards defend their shit products

Overwatch is dead guys get over it. It's not even on Steam's top-20 player count chart now

>>389930626
>Playing low-skiller team-based shit.
These games are designed for people like you and you're acting appropriately; people like you need to blame outside factors for your shortcomings and failures so you avoid fighting, RTS, and king-of-the-hill modes and participate on skill-compressed team-based games which allow you to blame your teammates, your poor character, you opponent's broken character etc.

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What don't you have control over?

>raping some guys on team deathmatch
>entire enemy team leaves
>game just ends, no win, just reinstances

>>389939115
This post was enlightening

>>389930626

What did you expect? The game is shit.

>>389939309
It's true, especially in "hero-based" games, because then there's this whole additional layer to blaming individual character balance and hard-counter/counter-picking balance instead of accepting responsibility for loss.
This ability to unload personal shortcomings makes it much easier for whiny faggots to keep playing.

>>389930862
The reason losing in TF2 as a good player didn't feel so bad was because of the Scoreboard.

You could look at the scoreboard and go "oh hey the enemy team sucked ass but man that one guy was really good"

In Overwatch there is no such option. You can get anchored by a bunch of blithering idiots who don't understand what "objective" means and nobody will see that you had 5 golds unless you get a "card" at the end, in which case, still nobody cares because being better than 5 idiots doesn't matter; it's not like TF2 where you can see that the one good guy on the enemy team was better than everyone on your own team

>>389939538
Also the lack of your ranked score constantly tanking which is basically a badge of honor you parade around probably affects it.

>>389938070
uhm i am at high diamond.

There isnt really much to get good at in this game all you need to rise in the ranks is common sense and average reflexes.

The average player doesnt have those and thus you differentiate yourself from those with basic fundamentals.

That is not "getting good" though.

Thanks for the baseless assumptions and insults instead of providing an argument though.

>>389939651
>There isnt really much to get good at in this game all you need to rise in the ranks is common sense and average reflexes.
Sure thing, post your overbuff.

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>>389932664
>comfy AoE2 video

I wonder why the fuck I didn't pay attention to this kind of thing on youtube before. Thanks my dude.

>muh ranks
stop being a shitter, join a team, and actually play the game competitively in leagues/tournaments

from release til 2 months ago it was "whoever has the best soldier/tracer/genji" wins, i dropped it because gameplay is bad so i dunno about now

like most modern blizzard games they look all fancy and shit but the design goes up in the air after a couple of months at best

>>389939651
High diamond isn't saying a ton since average seems to be high plat.

What I don't understand is how people can play Overwatch 24/7.
>Do placement matches and get put in 3300-3400
>Stop playing
It happens every season, it just gets awfully boring.

I'm currently high Gold right now. All my Overwatch friends moved over to Destiny 2 what hero should I solo que with to climb?

>>389940341
Yeah, when you see people with gold borders and shit it gets scary.

>>389940341
People with low IQ are far more likely to fall into the hamster wheel that is matchmaking in modern games.

>>389940043
>moving the goalpost
>since you match these arbitreria criteria i mentioned that allow you to start debating on skill, but you have another position than me, so they dont count anymore!

>>389940391
I've seen people with what looked like Platinum borders with some Gold mixed in, it amazes me how people can play it this much.
>>389940423
I guess it's more the crates that entertain them.

>>389939507
>go attack torb
>not working at all, couldn't even get the turret up
>no, it's not his fault, you shouldn't blame him, everyone's responsible for that failure.

>>389939773
https://www.overbuff.com/players/pc/GitGud-11405

>>389940341
>i don't understand how people play game A 24/7.
>but am gonna play game B 24/7
you're probably retarded.

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>>389939538
This. The lack of a scoreboard makes it impossible to tell what exactly is going on in a match, and it makes it hard to know where your teams problems lie. Half the reason OW gets so frustrating for me is because I feel like I have no control. I can't tell what exactly needs to change, or I can't change to that needed role. Or worse, when you do switch to a needed role but the rest of your team can't make things happen. I think that's what ruined the game for me.

>>389930862
>That's every team-based game except
Unreal Tournament, any version.

>>389940612
Nice projecting, turbo Blizzcuck.

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Imagine having a low enough IQ to unironically play Overwatch.

>>389940474
There was no goalpost, and I just pointed out that you saying you're high-diamond doesn't mean anything. High-level players and eSports members are dropping from this game like flies because it is dying.

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>>389941023
>Baikenfag
>Talking about low IQ

>>389930626
>Me ooga
>Team booga
>Lose
FUCKING BLIZZARD BRO

>>389941023
Overwatch is the PUBG of MOBA FPS

>>389930862
Counter Strike is the same though, I've pretty much solo carried games more times than I can count. I never really got into TF2 unfortunately, I tried to get into it a couple of times but it felt so weird everyone running around with weapons which did things different to my own and I never really felt any good reason to keep playing. Unreal Tournament was my jam also, I could carry like mad in that too back in the day. I was a little disappointing with the new DOOM multiplayer, I was expecting something more like UT. Uh, what else have I been able to carry in? I guess Titanfall 2 and Ace of Spades to some extent.

>>389930626
Stop being so passive OP, learn how to get real good at a DPS like Hanzo or Mccree who can essentially carry matches if you're super good. Or try going Reinhardt or Winston and push hard if your teammates are being little bitches.

>>389930626
thats descibes all of blizzard multiplayer games except for diablo

Is it weird that I find projectile heroes way easier than Hitscan heroes?

I keep hearing that the opposite is the general sentiment, but my accuracy with hitscan heroes is often under 30%, but with Zen, I rarely go under 50

>>389941089
Yeah and they all leave because there is nothing to get good at for them and because there is no depth.

>>389930862
Maybe Destiny 2 is the game for you my friend?

>>389938070
>i refuse to engage in any actual discussion of the game or defend it
>just tell people to post rank

Every time

>>389941262
Projectile is easier if your sensitivity is high, this goes for every game. (it is also easier if your aim sucks but I don't want to be rude)

>>389938660
More like
>wow you guys fucking suck
>soldier you suck fucking dick swap hero
>proceeds to switch to thorbjorn on attack
People could really do with learning basic communication skills.
You'll never get people to do what you want if you curse and scream at them.

>>389941262
it's probably weird
but i'm the same
didn't get into PC FPSs until TF2, and even then I mostly played soldier

>>389941262
You're probably used to leading your shots or your general inaccuracy is made-up for by the fact that the slow projectiles hit something even if it wouldn't normally as a hit-scan.

>your coworkers and friends talk about how hard it is to climb the ladders
>they are all in silver and bronze
>mention you don't really care for the game
>they tell you that you must be bad at the game
>you placed into plat every season and hit diamond two seasons ago
>they don't believe me despite being able to go check for themselves

Fuck this game.

>>389941218
well for a time, wow was an exception. Too bad they ruined that.

>>389941585
>your coworkers and friends talk about how hard it is to climb the ladders
>they are all in silver and bronze

I literally don't give a fuck about ladder and make diamond every season lol

>>389941585
Overwatch is the current Mainstream Normie game.

It's literally the basic-bitch game after people kept making fun of Call of Duty for releasing a new game every year.

They became self-aware of their shitty choice in game and moved to a new host to feed off of its supple nutrients while they stroke each other's dick over their gaming lifestyle.

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>be top ten global battlemercy
>try to defend myself from flankers and assist as much as possible
>still gold healing
>no tank to hide behind
>snipers firing at me
>medic at Normandy beach
>teammates autolock 5 dps
>Everyone 30 years old screaming over mic
>autistic meltdowns everywhere
>people throwing themselves of the map
>MERCY STOP USING YOUR BLASTER I NEED HEALING BECAUSE I KEEP PEEKING DIRECT HIT GRENADES AROUND THE CORNER BUT I SWEAR IT WILL WORK THE 7TH TIME
>TRUST ME I HAVE 22% ACCURACY AND 5k AVG DAMAGE AS A DPS MAIN
>peel? Did you mean HEAL ME?
>wow mercy why can't you 1v1 winston? You 1v1ed the tracer
>STOP FIGHTING THE TRACER KILLING YOU AND HEAL MY STUPID DECISIONS

>welcome to hell

>>389941764
I enjoy HotS more than I enjoy OW. I didn't even like Aeon of Strife likes until I played HotS. All the normies seem to avoid the game, making the community slightly better than dog shit.

>>389942124
I mean, that's fine, as long as you acknowledge that community is essentially a rotten corpse.

>>389942220
Its not fucking battleborn levels of dead. I queue faster in HOTS than I did in OW.

>>389941856
>no healer
>no tank
>5 dps
>wait until 20 secs left
>pick torb
>EVERYONE LOSES THEIR FUCKING MINDS
>this angers the white boi

>>389942828
>5 dps and hog as solo tank is 100% ok, nobody says a thing
>pick torb
>WOW HE'S TROWING REPORT HIM

I love this community.

So is Lucio still a mandatory pick? Haven't played since early season 2 but back then if neither of your supports wanted to play the most boring hero in the game the rest of the team would just tilt completely.

>>389942357
I mean, true.

HoTS is fun, but I'd hate to play ranked in it.

>>389935228
>get placed in gold every season start
>climb to diamond every season
I'm about to do it right now actually, just need to win 1 more and I'm diamond

I have zero friends and always play solo. It's perfectly possible. You just hit your peak.
My peak is diamond, I'm probably going to be stuck around 3k forever again. Sometimes you just need to accept it.

>>389943103
yes.
lucio still best healer
zen/mercy conditional
ana a pile of shit now

>in masters
>instalock mccree
>kill stuff, makes sure to remove important targets that can give our supports and tanks trouble
>win

>3 other people instalock dps next match, think "hey I like Ana so I'll play her"
>everybody is spread out everywhere
>our fucking Rein is on solo missions for some reason
>soldier is behind enemy lines instead of accompanying the supports
>desperately beg them in voice chat to group up to no avail
>lose

I dunno how half these people got any higher than plat, let alone fucking masters

>>389943283
90% of the time Ranked is like an RNG pool.

"Did you get a competent team or will someone ragepick Blaster Mercy because you won't play what they want"

>>389943103
he isn't mandatory, it's more like a minmax pick. speed boosts are incredibly valuable, but if the team is uncoordinated and can't properly use the speed boost it's better to just go zen and help them getting kills.

>>389943235
Ana is bad now because of fucking winston and dva matrix in her face constantly. Hopefully the dva nerf will make it more tolerable.

>>389941262
hitting barriers increase your accuracy stat, projectile characters tend to spam barriers more often than hitscan

>>389930626
>literally every multiplayer game ever
This is why I almost exclusively play single player.

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>>389930923
enhanced your image, senpai

>get season banned
>have a good laugh
>play like 5 quickgames in 2 months
>season reset
>play
>4th game
>alt f4

It's not even about winning or losing. I want to enjoy the game but simply can't. I always sit down thinking "I will put on some music and have an hour of fun". It's not.

>Decide to actually grind on the last 2 days on season 5
>7 hrs to do placement, then climb 3.35 to 3.5k
Most of the games boils down to who had the thrower/leaver but I'm still climbing regardless
Stop complaining and improve yourselves

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>>389943860

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>>389939909
Happy you enjoy it.
Have this comfy dog

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>>389935228
I boosted a friends account from 1300 to 2800.

Feels good being a healer main but wrecking people with tracer even if it was my first time playing her.

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1000% Junkrat pick rate this season.

Bring back triple tank over this crap.

>>389932107
You sound mad lol. Did you just lose a game?

>>389941856
They have the same ranking as you, so they are equally good.

>waaaaah me ooga team booga :^)

>play extremely well
>get all the gold medals or what ever
>potg goes to junkrat shoving a tire up torbjörns ass
at least give me the option to skip potg god damnit

<reee let me win itt

>>389946906
>people throwing your game means they are equals not people throwing your game

Since when did /v/ become whiteknight fagenablers?

>>389932107

TF2 provides you with a lot more tools to make solo plays when flanking, at least, and the remedy for an offensive threat is to kill it instead of place a bulky brick wall in front of them.

The key to TF2 being a better class based game is that aside from the Engineer's area denial and ubers, there's nothing stopping you from just doing your job and killing shit. Imagine how exponentially worse TF2 would be if the Heavy could deploy a giant shield and also cross the map in 2 seconds.

>>389932186
This. I think they should really just nerf his fire rate a bit to reduce the junkrat spam, and maybe make grenades that just sit on the floor do less damage, so they're still good for controlling an area, but so you don't get fucking melted by him spamming into a teamfight.

It bothers me how good he is at melting tanks at the moment too.


I wish Blizzard could actually balance consistently, sometimes they give good much needed changes, and other times they just fucking throw random obviously broken shit into the game, or ruin whole characters. His ult moving so fast now is way, way too powerful, especially with how fast it charges.

>>389947630
Well then they are probably even better players than you.

I mean if they regularly throw games because of their short fuse and yet still maintain the same rank, they must compensate that with superior skill.

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>>389930626
>team instalocks widow/genji/hanzo/4th dps/5th dps
>get stomped
>"YOU ARE THE ONLY CONSTANT STOP BLAMING THE TEAM"

>>389948218
Thats how it works statistically though.

If you cannot deal with shitty matches here and there or external factors you cannot influence you probably should not play teamgames.

>>389940043
Average player is in gold, the average highest rank ever reached is low plat.

Masters is like 3% of the population, so high diamond is probably like 5%.

That being said, anyone can claim that shit, and he's still got a longass way to get to top 500, so he could be improving. It's just another salty retard who can't admit that he's not as good as other players, so claims there's nothing to improve at. Guarantee he won't be able to say why it is that some people hit GM easy every season, yet he's still diamond.

>>389943595
Pretty sure the barriers thing isn't true, it just doesn't decrease your accuracy. Accuracy is only impacted by hits that connect with people, or miss completely.


Higher accuracy on Pharah is impacted by splash damage though, junkrat too. No fucking idea how Zarya works with accuracy.


He's probably just more accurate because he's used to leading shots. I play Pharah a bunch, and my soldier really suffers if I swap to him after playing Pharah, because I tend to not track so much as flick to where I expect them to be, then have to compensate back.

>>389948394
>make up imaginary barrier were you arent allowed to critize the game if you dont fit the criteria

>guy fits the criteria

>move the goalpost

pathetic.

Shove your argumentum ad verecundiam logic elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbSJoDzcWaY

unless you can physically do something about your teammates, you are never at fault for a loss unless you fucked up yourself.

it is not your fault if your teammate rage quits because he dies from genji when you called him out and he refused to join voice chat

>>389930626
yes, that is how MOBAs work
blizz has your $40 tho so GG kiddo you lost the only game that mattered

>>389948865
>people who do not understand statistics

Common, how can anyone be this dumb?

"The only constant is you", does not mean that you are able to win every single game by playing well.
It never implied that.

It just means that your rank will move into the estimated area you belong in after a larger ammount of games (100 to 1000).

Since you are the only fixed constant in ALL of your games SUMMED up. Of course you will get ragequiters, but statistically speaking the other team will get them just as often.

So if you constantly play well in every single of your matches your rank will rise.

Whats not to understand about that?

>>389948793
That's literally the first post I made in the thread, and I don't care what your rank is. Unless you're at the top of the top 500, you have shit you can be improving on, and clearly there is room to get good.

Your rank just demonstrates that, there's people who are clearly better than you at the game, and significantly so, because they climb out of your rank frequently (decay). People smurf at your rank for easy games from GM.

There's loads of stuff you could improve.

>>389949110
>Of course you will get ragequiters, but statistically speaking the other team will get them just as often.
That's actually just a speculation, since you don't know how blizz matching works.

>>389937140
Except we've seen several "online warriors" come to EVO and make their way into top 8 easily.

>>389949238
I call bullshit on that, they all played shittons of offline too.

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>play team based game
>lose because other team better than u team :(

I bet you're a support main as well -___-

>>389949231
How the fuck is that a speculation.

Do you think the chance for you to get ragequitters in your team is higher than for everyone else or smth?

>>389949110

>he doesn't know that the forced 50 is done by a damage handicap

>>389949231
Yeah, you're right, Blizzard is intentionally matching you with people with a history of ragequitting just to keep you specifically at the rank you're at.

Couldn't be that you're just at the right rank and your ego won't let you recognise that you're not as good as you thought and need to improve, could it?

>>389949419
A fucking what?

>>389949364

how_to_spot_redditor.jpg

Problem is blizzards flavor of the month buff system. Symettra not seeing play? Buff. Junkrats play count low? Buff him. Roadhog numbers high? Nerf him out of the game, only to buff him 6 moths later when they say 'why's no one playing road hog????'.

In a game with only 6 per team and 20 heros to pick, there is a problem of consistency. Without consistency you have no consistent players for your comp scene. You liven up the meta by making maps that utilize characters abilities, not by forcing people to change characters.

They need to buff Mei, and her shitty ult.

>>389949467
It's nothing, it's some meme some guy's been trying to force in overwatch threads for a week or so now.

He also claims that in overtime the defenders have their damage reduced, despite the fact that there's literally no evidence for that despite how easy it is to test.

Don't fall for it, there's no damage cap going on outside of custom games.

>>389949553
Roadhogs pick wasn't even high, though Sym needed a nerf. Blizzards issue is wanting to make every character mobile DPS, and not introducing anywhere near enough healers and tanks. More than half the cast is DPS.

>>389949482
How is he wrong, exactly?

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>Be 3700SR
>Playing Bastion on R66
>Doing literally all the work.
>I only remember our Mercy and the Orisa or Reinhardt actually doing anything on the team with me
>There was literally a point in the match where it was just me alive vs 5 or 6 enemys
>I actually fucking end up killing them all
>Continue hard carrying for the rest of the game AS FUCKING BASTION
>Still end up losing anyway because noone thought to shoot Dva while she was busy flying around me like the autistic shit she is.

Thanks Blizzard. I uninstalled after that. I am fucking done with shitters not being capable of basic human intellect in this game.

>>389949853
I feel like Mei is okay where she is, the meta just isn't strong for her right now. As meta shifts I think we'll see Mei get played a lot more, her map control is really strong.

Why do you think her ult is bad?

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>>389930626
>https://clips.twitch tv/ResoluteBoredPepperSmoocherZ
>game crashes
>rejoins near instantly
>ends match anyway
>suspended
>loses 50 rating
>banned
the game is a fucking joke. It's the epitome of "if it looks good and you pander to waifu faggots then it doesn't matter if the game is fundamentally broken, just add microtransactions and let people dress up the characters and you'll make fuckloads of cash"

>>389949910

>damage handicap meme
I posted that as a joke when the game first came out and haven't since then. Someone else must be posting it.

Either way, damage handicap is indeed real. Only explanation for overtime comebacks where you are destroying people 99.99% of the match.

>>389949467

The way the matchmaking system and damage handicap works is like this

>match winners up together against losers
>make the winning team do slightly less damage than the losing team
>no one will ever try to confirm this because it's during a ranked match

I mean it's pretty much obvious at this point. Everytime someone makes a claim about it, people just say it's fake. Any blizzard forum post instantly gets deleted. Any >reddit post instantly gets deleted.

blizzard and reddit only delete posts that are racist. must be something big if they want to hide it.

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>>389950941
The matchmaking is designed to break win and losing streaks. Couple that with the "hero performance" component and the matchmaking is completely fucked, pic related.

>>389949553
>Symettra not seeing play? Buff Hanzo. Junkrats play count low? Buff Tracer. Roadhog numbers high? Nerf him out of the game, only to nerf him 6 moths later when they say 'why's no one playing road hog????'.

Fixed that for you. Blizzard are the most incompetent balancers to have ever existed, and that was when they were GOOD.

>>389950738
The guy was suspended for 10 minutes and lost some SR. He wasn't banned, and who the fuck cares about 50 sr? Just win a couple games and you're back.


I agree you shouldn't lose SR if you rejoin though, that's pretty stupid. First few seconds of the match leaving shouldn't cost SR at all I don't think, same as a team with a leaver should have less SR loss, because losing a game where a person on your team left is fucking horrible feeling.

>>389950941
You get that people can test that, right? Like, a direct hit from Pharah does 120 damage. Unless you're talking like a 1% decrease in damage done that would impact nothing, people would notice. Say it's 10%, you're now doing 108 damage per direct hit, which would be super obvious when shooting at tanks or in death replays where your direct hit doesn't do as much as it should.


This is a really poor meme when damage is so easy to figure out, and some combos do exactly 200 damage (junkrat trap and mine wouldn't one hit kill if what you're saying is true, which would be obvious).

>>389950941
So because there is no proof for your theory (even though it could be tested), that means the theory is true but people are trying to cover it up? That's conspiracy theory logic.

>>389948014
no they are just placed higher than they should be because they were carried in placements and will drop into bronze but blizzard is just shit at matchmaking and considers past placement a priority over actual contribution or statistical numbers.

for example I played lucioball on two diff accounts and one account I got placed silver because all my teammates threw and then the other account I got placed masters and I won 8 games in a row and then three more after that and got into masters. But I couldnt get the other account past plat because my teamamtes were fuckign dog shit and I cant make more advanced plays because they dont combo or have correct positioning or flat out fucking just suck dick and I cant do everything at once.

and its not like I can carry as dps because every manchild cuck auto locks dps and what always happens is that Im the 6th dps and I still have gold kills and elims, but it doesnt fucking matter because nothing can get accomplished without proper fucking meta.

>>389951279
Lets not act like that game is at all representative, most games I have the teams are within 50 SR of each other. Also, seems like a team of five diamonds and a plat against 5 diamonds and a plat? 6 stacking always fucks with match making, though generally it's the other way and you get matched against people ranked significantly higher than you.

>>389951279
the game frequently fucks up hit detection too
https://clips.twitch tv/SpinelessGentleCurlewGivePLZ
it's pretty fundamentally broken

>>389951279
>gone on 10 game winstreak that only ended because I stopped playing
>go on a fucking 20 game loss streak that was broken by 1 win.

>""""The matchmaking is designed to break win and losing streaks"""""

REALLY BOILS MY CARROT
REALLY ACTIVATES MY ALMONDS
REALLY MAKES ME T H I N K

>>389930724
everyone here sucks at games

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>overwatch overflowing with exploits, bugs, and game design problems
Oh I wonder why. It's not like the lead guy in charge of the game is unqualified or something.

>>389941373

T. Silver shitter

I got into Masters using hero's like Torbjorn on attack he can be pretty damn good if you know where to set up a turret to keep the enemy team from contesting as you push the payload along

>>389951836
Nah, but whenever there's an overwatch thread, everyone on either side is always claiming to be GM, even though there's really not that many people in GM at any one time, and I doubt they're all browsing /v/.

>>389951902
Jeff isn't a coder, never has been, he worked on wow and warcraft 3 with quests and quality control though, so I'd say he's pretty well qualified.

Whoever's in charge of the balance is the issue, whether that's Jeff or not I don't really know though.

Not everyone who works on games is hands on with the actual creation of the assets anon.

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>>389952210
>he worked on wow and warcraft 3 with quests and quality control though, so I'd say he's pretty well qualified.

>>389952294
>Game director for wow, one of the most successful mmo's ever
>wow, guy's completely unqualified

What degree would you rather he had anon? I'm curious where you can get a bachelors of game balance.

>>389952294
>>389951902
Yeah, because having studied English obviously negates almost 15 years of experience working for one of the biggest publisher/developer.

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>>389952210
>he worked on wow and warcraft 3 with quests and quality control though

>>389952531
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Kaplan
>Kaplan's initial work at Blizzard was helping with quality assurance for Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos in the weeks prior to its release
>After Warcraft III shipped, he joined with the WoW team as one of the first two quest designers along with Pat Nagle, and worked closely with the game's creative director Chris Metzen.[4] Kaplan's work focused on the player versus environment elements of WoW, including quest design and the overall aestetics for the various dungeons and raids; he described his position as a "medium" between Metzen's creative elements and the programmers and artists of the level design team.[4] Eventually, Kaplan was named as game director for WOW, along with Tom Chilton and J. Allen Brack.[5]

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>>389952210
>the balance is the issue
OW has problems rooted in the fundamental underlying design. Is this your first multiplayer fps?

>>389952512
>>389952475
the guy designed quests and the aesthetics of raid and dungeons. And this is old, pre-wotlk wow so quests were basic as they could be. It was literally fetch and collect or kill "X" amount.

You cannot seriously think this man is qualified to lead the design of the game, especially with all the problems overflowing in overwatch

>>389952705
weren't most of wow's quests back then hilariously bare bones?
>>389952712
yeah I remember 99% of even wotlk being "collect this, click that, kill that"

>>389952710
Which are?

>>389952712
Originally, he then became the lead designer.

What would make him more qualified in your eyes? What degree should he have, keeping in mind he's not actually writing code or creating models.

>>389934760
Everything wrong about Overwatch is fixed in Paladins.

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>people here play overwatch unironically and then complain about it

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>>389952210
>he's pretty well qualified.

>jeff complains that there aren't enough people in the overwatch ptr
>players flock to the ptr to give feedback
>all this player feedback is ignored
>infamously broken bastion patch goes life
>players ask what the fuck
>jeff complains too much feedback now
clearly he is very, very qualified

>>389932186
sometimes it seems like they want to go the DOTA route of balancing by making everyone overpowered in the right situation, then they turn around and nerf Dva to the ground again because no one can be more powerful than Ana or whatever

>>389952712
Considering that Overwatch has sold several million copies and is one of the most played games, I'd say he did a pretty good job.

>>389951902
This post was just meant to imply that a bachelors degree in linguistics is useless anyways, but the poster is proving himself wrong for using someone as an example who studied English and then went on to work for one of the most successful video game company.

Having been at Blizzard for so long, yes I do think Jeff Kaplan is a knowledgeable guy, no matter if he started his career by designing quests for WoW.

>>389953046
>Considering that Overwatch has sold several million copies and is one of the most played games, I'd say he did a pretty good job.
I mean by that logic Candy Crush is the epitome of game design

Overwatch is fine. If you get mad at it you're probably burned out and hit your skill ceiling, which is frustrating. You need to take a break. Play something else, realize how medicore it is and you will come back to OW.

iam just about done with the game and its shitty match making system designed to shit on you, if you do well it cucks you.

>>389948295
if every game all teammates pick dps and play like shit, that's also a constant

>>389953046
>one of the most successful video game company.
>wow is doing so poorly they don't even report subscribers anymore
>starcraft 2 was such a failure that even the koreans don't play it anymore
>diablo 3 is a well known dump on the franchise
>hearthstone takes more luck than skill to play, strongest card is the credit card
>heroes of the storm is the laughing stock of the genre
I mean you can say they are successful because they are making money, but that's how people defend EA. Also Blizzard's profits are mostly from microtransactions,

reminder that you're the only constant in your matches, and it is not possible for your teammates to be shit :^)

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>>389952710
>everyone arguing about mercy
>#notmymercy
>they are making her more of a skill-based management god instead of LOL LEFT CLICK AND Q
>literally nobody arguing that she has a massive fucking 4 second switch time from healing to dps
>all other healers can heal while simultaneously attacking
>"we wanted to make mercy more interactive (instead of hiding)"

Youre right. They have no fucking idea what the problems are with the basic mechanical design of things.
They need to switch her pistol to heal both enemies and teammates and dump or redesign the rod.
Everyone cries about stupid shit when they have no understand of the actual mechanical issues at hand.

>>389953142
Seems to me to be a pretty solid game if it manages to captivate so many people. It's relatively simple, but having been designed as a game that people could play when they have a minute or two to kill, it pretty much achieved what it set out to do.

Not everything that sells a lot is good, true, but Overwatch is one of the most polished games out there and it definitely did more things right than it did wrong.

>>389951469
>no they are just placed higher than they should be because they were carried in placements and will drop into bronze but blizzard is just shit at matchmaking and considers past placement a priority over actual contribution or statistical numbers.

THEIR PLACEMENT IS WRONG, BUT MINE IS TOTALLY CORRECT WHEN I RISE UP XDDD

tldr: me ooga team booga

>>389952991
I feel like there's a lot of confusion about PTR overall honestly (and a lot of people just play it to try out new patches and never give feedback beyond bandwagon stuff, if at all). In my opinion PTR should be a closed door thing you need to apply to get into, and if you don't actually give useful feedback, your access is revoked. Players regularly get shit massively massively wrong about what needs to be changed in a games balance.

Bastion patch was one of the stupidest things they've done though, I agree completely, that should never have hit live.

>>389953261
If your team is doing that, statistically the enemy team is too. The constant thing is brought up because your team only have 5 random variables, 5 players that can be terrible. The enemy team has 6, so if you're a good player, your team will statisticalyl do better.

>>389953046
>salesfag
There are other metrics to measure success.

>>389930626
At least it's not like PUBG where 99 /100 players are forced to hate and dislike the game because there can only be 1 winner. I don't get how this game could get so popular when the game mechanics itself force 99% of the players to have a shit opinion about the game.

>>389930862
>one person carries an entire team
Is the same as
>you play well but lose because the rest of your team is fucking trash

Its nothing but luck.

>>389953240
the designed it to be very hard to carry a team because that would be "unfair and unfun" but made it really easy to fuck over your team if you were bad
>>389953405
the problem is that blizzard is well known to ignore the PTR, they pretty much use it for publicity and ignore the feedback. Go ask the guys in wow or starcraft and they'll tell you the ptr might as well not exist, all good feedback is ignored

>>389953261
So the other team does too.

So you can carry by playing the best DPS out of the twelve dps.

Just a game bro

>>389953395
>5k avg dps mains playing in plat is totally fine
>whiteboyknights.jpg

>>389931721
Then play something that isn't an over-hyped, over-rated piece of shit with a playerbase consisting solely of twitch, youtube and facebook faggots.

>>389953405
yeah but neither your 5 teammates nor the 6 opposing players are truly "random" since there is a matchmaking system at work that actively chooses the players

>>389930626
I was a 26X with a 3000 top SR on the PS4, I bought it for PC and I am level 30 at 2440 SR and climbing fast, was 2330 yesterday.
I can pretty much carry the team if they can aim and shoot in the enemies. I hope to end this season as Master.

>>389953528
>Just a game bro
you mean porn simulator. Check out the /owg/, it's nothing but porn

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The game was funner without competitive mode and all of the new heroes

They should've just released new maps for a year and then start adding new heroes

>>389953548
Well apparently they win enough to stay plat.

So it seems like it is fine

>>389932664
>one rts from 1999 that's been completely dissected still has some players
>yeah but the genre is still going strong guys

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>have shit aim
>get to platinum
>play mainly healer/tank as people usually don't
>everyone else seems to be worse at dps and or aiming
the suffering

>>389953629
Quick play still an option.

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TOTALLY BALANCED

>>389953504
>be noticably better dps
>entire team dumps their ults on you whenever you aare visible.
>while you are dead, they charge their ults on your 3k dmg avg teammates playing bastion and torb dps
>enemy chain ults on you again when you show up

>just get better anon XD

>>389953346
I don't see a point in arguing against the fact that Blizzard had and still has a highly successful history.
Imagining I'm going in for a job interview at a development studio, I can't really imagine that many other companies that would impress potential future employers more than having worked more than a decade at Blizzard.

>>389953679
No its not, QP died when they took out multiple heroes on the same team

The game is shit

>>389953683
don't worry bro the art degree guy in charge of the game will talk to the programmer devs and make sure that is fixed right quick!

>2017
>playing multiplayer games

>>389953714
True true, you could go get a job at Riot Games

>>389932664
>a match from literally 10 years ago because that's all there is to cast now, decade-old matches
>not dead
Uh-huh.

>>389953710
I guess bad players will always make up some kind of excuse or blame some random external force for their failure.

Instead of admiting to themselves and their ego that they are bad and doing what needs to be done to actually get good.

>>389953597
I hate to admit it. But Crap Patt was right when he said the overwatch community is just porn and cosplayers

>>389951902
>guy in charge of overwatch has a degree in art
>overwatch looks great but it fundamentally broken from matchmaking to balance to map design
REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

>>389930626
Competitive gaming in a nutshell

>>389953659
No they dont.
They all just get placed in plat and then lose games and then more people who get placed in plat play with you and lose games and so on and so forth.
Its not the same people. Its new shitters who are all full retard when I look at their profiles.
Then it restarts in 50 days or whatever the season starts again now.

Then I win 3 games in a row absolutely shitting on people then I get 5dps again and lose.
Then I get 4 games in a row with a dc.
Then I get a no tank game.
Then I win a game stomping again.
etc
etc
etc

>>389953907
go check out the overwatch general thread right now, they are literally discussing and posting about foot fetishes

>>389953504
you're assuming all other 11 players are equal, which simply isn't true
now you might say "but on statistical average" which is only partially true since the other 11 players are in fact NOT randomly chosen but actually assigned by a MM system
plus the individual impact of a single player in relation to the other 5 is in a game like overwatch miniscule

e.g. the best players in the world couldn't carry a team of retards against 6 semi competent opponents

>>389953683
>35% win percentage
>masters
what in the ever loving fuck

>>389954013
>>389950738
>>389951749
>>389953683
No no no you don't understand everything is fine it's your fault. Everything is working fine, nothing to see here!

>>389953551
Yeah, you're right anon, the match making system is specifically designed to stop you climbing. Not the people who regularly do climb, or make accounts dedicated to proving this idea is bullshit, just specifically you.

>>389953873
This. People bitch about elo hell because their egos are incapable of understanding that they aren't actually GM level players.

>>389953683
That's an old exploit that was fixed, same with the mercy main shit.

>>389954030
So, the literally dozens of bronze to masters or grandmasters streams out there don't count to you?

>>389954093
Don't worry Jeff is going to fix that right quick with his art skills!

You pretty much cant carry in overwtach since one guy playing badly or throwing means hes giving free ult charge to the enemy team

>>389954112
>they aren't actually GM level players.
isn't GM overwhelming smurf and exploiting accounts?

>>389954112
Didnt seagull or whatever his name is do that stream where he did match placements on a smurf and lost all of them?

>jee i want to lose my rank, i'll just lose some games and show everyone it totally is possible to climb
>forces people to lose games
or
>makes a new account instead, shits all over new players and average people

Dont bother with Overwatch

Not having separate solo/team queus is mind blowingly stupid and the report system is a joke

>>389954112
>the game is out to get you
nah brah, i will never understand the mysterious workings of MM, MM giveth and MM taketh away

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HOLY SHIT THIS GAME IS SO FUN TO SPECTATE WHY ISN'T IT MORE POPULAR?!!!

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>>389954482
>the report system is a joke
no you don't understand the report system was designed by a genius with a fine art degree, it's perfect

>>389954482
this
the only winning move is to not play when it comes to mobashits and moba-inspired shit

You do have your own personal Mercy main on your friend list to queu up and pocket you, right /v/?

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>>389954487
>not posting the pinnacle of overwatch stream screens

>>389954438
>be gm player
>make new account
>system sees you as a freakishly high player
>has no fucking clue what to do with you
>places you vs people with 10 game winning streaks and 6mans
>you beat them anyways because youre a grandmaster
>system gives you 2000% sr gains
>matches you with teammates who are astronomical better players and probably smurfs themselves
>WOAH GUYS ITS SO EASY TO CLIMB
>MAYBE YOURE JUST NOT A GRANDMASTER
>normal people play with people who probably grouped with friends or something and won a game based on things the matchmaking ai cant measure who then throw the games because they arent at that level of play
>not understanding this

>>389948865
>first 10 seconds of the video
>he already critically fails to understand what "you are the only constant" means

opinion discarded

>>389954306
Nah, more smurfs around diamond from what I've seen. Definitely more hackers in GM than anywhere else, but gm is still mostly just good players.

>>389954308
If you're looking for bronze to GM streams, ster did one, stevo did one symmetra only, I think IDDQD did like three quarters of one and then quit because his fans threw a tantrum. A bunch of people have done them, I think eeveea or someone similar did one support only.

>>389954581
This ban was reversed within like a few hours, keep in mind.

Most of the cases where someone complains about being banned for one tricking there ends up being another reason, whether they end up being abusive in chat or throwing games because people call them out on their picks.

>>389954879
That makes no sense. If the system can just magically detect they're a high level player, why would it not put them in a high rank?

Also, stevo gained like 20 SR per win when he played, he went on like a 50 game winning streak before he lost one, and I'm not sure if he even lost another one before high diamond/masters.

You guys come up with the most ridiculously elaborate excuses for why you can't climb though, it's pretty sad. If the system detects that they're better and helps them climb, why does the system hold you down despite you clearly being better?

>>389930862
This is unironically why I quit LoL. Every match feels like an excercise in futility unless you roll with a full pre-made.

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>>389948218
I don't understand why widowmaker players don't fucking switch off.
It's stupid fucking easy to get an ult with her. I usually get one within the first two minutes of a match, then switch off to tank or healer.

>>389952931
>artstyle
anon i like paladins but everyones gotta admit that ow beats paladins in art direction

>>389938070
>>389939773
>>389940043
overshill got btfo

I just picked up Overwatch on a local clearance sale and am installing right now.
Is that Sombra character viable? I like the hacking theme but I don't know if she works well or I should better try to learn something else first.

>>389941159
>Anything involving IQ
>Elphelt
Pick one

>>389956969
Sombra is really good with a team that knows what they're doing.

Volskaya, Route 66 1st point, and Temple of Anubis 2nd point are her best maps.

>>389956969
Sombra is pretty damn viable, loads of people play her up to GM and she's got some play in tournaments recently.

I wouldn't recommend her as a first character though, learn the maps on someone first, learn how pushes work and get a basic gamesense, then play Sombra.

You can do those things on Sombra first, true, but it'll be harder to get shit done without having them first, and you'll learn better on someone more obvious like Soldier or something.

Why the fuck can you not first person death spectate?

>>389932186
Get fucked you genji shitter. I enjoy fucking up every single genji 10/10 times because they can't do shit against me with their pathetic deflect b8.

so then just go play starcraft or quake
oh you're a little bitch? yea keep to scapegoats and team games

>>389957313
Guess Soldier it is for now then. If someone has taken him already, which other character is a good beginner choice?

>>389931642
I duo with a friend in Overwatch and it still takes a single shitter in the team to fuck it up for us
It is painful

Overwatch
>Spot a cheater
>write in chat "I reported you for cheating"
>get banned yourself for "spam" or some other mysterious reason right after the match ended.
FUCK Overwatch.

>>389957598
Tracer is okay, Reaper, Mercy, Zen or Lucio (Lucio can be a bit weird with his walride, but you'll pick it up). Reinhardt is pretty simple and a great way to get gamesense, Orisa is a pretty strong at the moment.

Most characters except stuff like Sombra, Bastion, Ana or any of those characters with a lot of focus on understanding the maps, when pushes are going to happen, when you need to move or you'll die are pretty easy to pick up.

You can still use those characters, like I said, you'll just spend a lot more time dying than doing anything until you have those basic understandings.

For Sombra I'd recommend watching at least a few videos of high level players playing too, there's stuff they do that isn't always obvious unless you see someone else do it (same with any character honestly, but Sombra and Pharah I notice it most on).

>>389957413
It used to be in 1st person. But 9/10 times you witnessed your own death because the enemy shot 10 feet next to you and you still died. So Blizzard made the Death Cam 3rd person so you have no possibility of witnessing the bullshit that is Overwatch's netcode anymore.

>>389958095
He said death spectate, not the death cam replay. The replay is still in first person perspective from your enemies point of view.

How would you see your own death while spectating the game after death?

>>389958095
>>389958275
What he probably means is the aiming discrepancy. The game does not broadcast frequent updates for aim angles to every person in the match. It's why any replay or third party view of a kill makes it seem someone scored a hit despite not aiming properly at the target. Detection and netcode in themselves are solid between target and shooter though. The information is just not broadcast at high frequency to every other team member not related to shooting or taking damage, making it look weird.

>>389947409
Yesterday
>play extremely well as roadhog
>carry the team to victory
>4 golds and silver healing
>only card is mercy for 20% damage healed

What the fuck is blizzard's problem?

>>389947409
You can skip PotG. You can leave the second the victory or defeat message has appeared and the network icon stopped flashing. PotG and the useless MvP vote are totally optional.

>>389958519
To be fair, some of the hitboxes have been pretty dumb at points, though I think they've been fixed to a reasonable level (I know hitboxes can't necessarily perfectly reflect models for balance reasons).

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>>389930626
You know what's even more fun? Literally losing """"competitive"""" games to RNG.

>>389958853
Yeah, hitboxes on the other hand are an issue. I believe Torbjörn has the worst of them and takes plenty of headshots which shouldn't have been any.

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Overwatch isn't an "objectively" bad game from a design standpoint.
But Blizzard's execution is about as bad as it can be, so they're turning a surefire recipe into a shitsty.
The biggest issue is their balancing of heroes, really. In WoW – with an actual PvE element, in which extensives 25-person strategies can be formed around classes, and it's focus on PvP being merely one aspect, not the entire scope – the meta's ebb and flow is acceptable.
In Overwatch, they're just implementing whatever dumbfuck changes strike them with little regards for balancing in a game swirling entirely around it's attempts to be a """competitive""" game.
It could be something, but it won't be in Blizzard's hands.

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>>389930862
Actually, you can't carry in TF2.

>>389930626
that goes for every team based game, dumbass