>he hates Sunshine >he thinks Odyssey is going to be great

sunshine sucks because of terrible level design and fludd.

Odyssey has none of those so far

how retarded are you

Halo 3 is literally Sunshine 2 but with shooting enemies instead of spraying graffiti

Odyssey will be the Mario version of Banjo. Can you disprove this statement?

>>389903639
You're delusional

I want a Sunshine 2, if it means we get a return to the comfy tropical setting, the same tight controls, and a more fleshed out FLUDD.

I like sunshine even if it's the only 3d Mario I haven't gotten 100% in. Okay I'm not autistic enough to clear every level with every character in 3D world by myself but I did everything aside from that.

>>389903826
>people actually think fludd was the problem
messy physics, annoying level design, and zero incentive to getting the blue coins were the problems.

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>>389903894

>>389904013
fludd ruined the platforming, the the messy physics were part of it. they should have just kept mario 64 physics

>>389903639
literally who

>>389903639
is mario going be the only playable caharacter?

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>>389904579
peach might be. based on the last couple 3d mario games it's safe to say luigi will definitely be playable after beating the story.

>>389903639
Wrong
Wrong
Sunshine is great
Odyssey is NOT sunshine2
odyssey is 3d world + 64 + galaxy

The only thing that made sunshine unique was lack of platforming, good movement, and fludd

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Here's my hottest take: SMS is a better-designed game than Galaxy with better platforming, Galaxy also controls floaty in comparison, with SMS feeling like an evolution of 64, once you get the hang of meshing FLUDD with 64-style movement, it feels great

Sunshine is a masterpiece. Would buy a remaster in a heartbeat

>>389904882
post webms of sms tricks

>>389904882
I will never get why some people don't like Fludd. He added so many fun movement mechanics.

>>389905316
Contrarians and people who are shit at the game blame it

>>389904396
FLUDD made the platforming better, you mean?

>>389904396
fludd was a clutch but it also enhanced platforming when used with skill.

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>Odyssey is literally Sunshine 2

Fuck I hope so so I can finally stop posting pic related

>nintendo literally piles 64, Sunshine, and Odyssey into one category while Galaxy and 3D shovelware are in another

It's a good day to be a Sunshine chad.

>>389905676
>>389905490
>>389905316

I thought FLUDD was pretty cool but I disliked that it was the main gimmick of the game.

If it was one out of 3-4 gimmicky tools you could use I'd be fine with it but I didn't like that I had to use it virtually all the time.

The best part of Sunshine were those "zone" levels with extreme platforming in a floaty empty void.

>>389905297
Give me a second.

>people bitch about Fludd being a crutch.
>when the spin in Galaxy is even more of a crutch

>>389906108
The main problem with the spin in Galaxy is that it really added nothing interesting to the game and only served to make jumps easier. The fludd opened up a lot more movement options.

>>389905889
People were annoyed by FLUDD's character. Gameplay mechanics revolving around it were a lesser issue, though still an issue.

>>389903639
>with posessing enemies instead of spraying graffiti.

How are these things even remotely similar?

>>389904882
>SMS is a better-designed game than Galaxy
Haha

>>389906245
Galaxy is shit
Sunshine is overrated
3d World is meant for 4 player co-op, so mediocre
64 is great

I've never cared for 3D Mario. All of them are just "Use long jumps to bypass any of the actual platforming challenges in a sparse, open 3D environment that's really not all that interesting"

Except for Galaxy which felt more like an actual platformer, but then they went and stinted the mechanics. Not sure why they went and did that, would have been perfect otherwise

>>389906447
Nice buzzwords.

>>389904882
that fludd texture looks awful.

will there be Yoshi

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So how much is waggle a part of Switch?

Nintendo consoles went from my favorite to least favorite way back when the Wii came out because I found waggling at a screen with an inaccurate fuck stick to be anti-fun, ruining any interest in Galaxy 1/2.

Waggling looks much less emphasized on Switch. I have cautious optimism for Odyssey. Is waggle becoming as phased out as I think it is?

>>389906853
I haven't used waggle once on my Switch (played 300 hours on it)

>>389906853
some games use waggle, some dont

>>389905881
>the virgin spin
>the Chad hover

I liked sunshine.

>>389904789
>odyssey is 3d world + 64 + galaxy
Finally someone gets it. Odyssey is a mix of all the 3D Mario's to make an amalgam of level design inspired from all 3 styles. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing? Who knows.

>>389905316
it basically made the best part of mario 64 even better.

>spray water
>belly slide
>INFINITE SLIP AND SLIDE

seriously every game needs a little slide move for movement in levels. Shit mario in general is fun to move around with.

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>>389905881
>calling Galaxy shovelware
>while praising literally the most unfinished game Nintendo has ever put out

>>389907303
He's not praising Wind Waker though.

Sunshine hating fags are the reason we had to wait so fucking long for a new 3D mario that isn't linear bullshit.

>>389906853
Waggle is still there, but it's much more subtle and optional. Like, you can use motion controls in Splatoon 2 or Odyssey, but they're both completely optional. They're arguably the best way to play Splatoon 2 though. In Odyssey there'll be an enemy you can possess, and say, you'll be able to throw hammers really fast by shaking the controllers if you're a hammer bro or something, but you can get the same effect by mashing the b button.

>>389907369
Now that I think about it, Nintendo really didn't have their act together for most of the Gamecube's lifespan. Was it because they were just afraid of the PS2?

>>389906853
There's not really any outside of dedicated wagglan games like 1-2-Switch. Some games have optional gyro controls, like Splatoon and BoTW, but those are actually useful and make the game more enjoyable than just "SHAKE THE WIIMOTE INSTEAD OF PRESSING A BUTTON".

>>389907746
think about this.

Game cube was nintendos last effort to make a high graphics console. They got so blown the fuck out that they made gimmick and gameplay consoles instead.

I'd assume that the gamecube era was a nightmare for them to change that hard.

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>>389907746
I don't know, I'd say the Gamecube years were some of Nintendo's most interesting, personally. Sure, you had the more mainline entries like Mario and Zelda falling flat, but you also had some REALLY interesting experimental shit like Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Doshin the Giant, Custom Robo, Chibi Robo, and others.

>>389907746
Its because they had technical limits with the GCs disc space

>>389907418
Sunshine loving fags are the reason why we've had shit mario games since 64.

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>>389908000
>post hopeman
>get trips on /v/
wew

>>389908000
Animal crossing and doshin were on 64
chibi robo is shit
custom is shit, all those games are shit. im sorry you think those 'experimental' games are good, maybe pick up a 64 sometime weebfag

>>389903639
Haha Mario is so angry defending his pieces of popcorn xD

>>389908116
This.

Sunshine's only good levels were the ones where they took fluud away and you actually had to platform, and nintendo built galaxy around that style of play.

>>389908000
>lists experimental shit
>doesn't mention Loog's Mansion

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>>389908219
>chibi robo is shit
>custom is shit
>experimentation is bad
I bet you think Katamari is bad too, you dumb fucking nigger.

>>389905889
I personally hated those levels since they just felt like a gimped version of the main game and the level design were just random floating platforms with weird textures

>>389908116
No, Galaxy is.

>>389908590
I hated them because the bottomless void at the bottom of the map scared the crap out of me.

>>389903950
its nothing like banjo wtf

>>389908000
Windwaker and Twilight Princess are better than Ocarina of Time, just less ground breaking

>>389903639
>with possessing enemies instead of spraying graffiti

Oh thank god, for a second I thought you were saying that Odyssey is Sunshine shit, but its not because I can't do the one thing I hated about it the most. Thank goodness.

>>389908258
too bad it's incredibly linear and relies on gimmick powerups

>>389903639
do you have to use a shitty water spray to take shit oout of the ground in odyssey?

>>389906540
Nice buzzword.

>>389912056
>>389909257
Can't imagine being so miserable. Cleaning up the ink was satisfying as fuck, cathartic even.

>>389904882
t.born between 1994 and 1997

>>389904006
It's not worth it.

Blue coins are bullshit and the reward is just a picture of the cast that says "enjoy your vacation" or some shit.

I did it one summer when I was a kid and still had patience for that shit.

>>389915315
Rewards in video games aren't real, anon. You should only go for 100% completion if it's something you enjoy doing.

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>people actually enjoyed super mario bros 2

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>>389915783
>he's never done something tedious in a video game for a cool new character, ability, or outfit

>>389905854
Hahahahaa Odyssey is not SMS 2 and there will never Be one until they actually make an SMS 2 with Fludd.

I remember when I beat sunshine for the first time, in like 2006 or so, I searched for Super Mario Sunshine 2 to see if there was any word of a sequel being made and it was just a bunch of ironic fan-tier crap that showed up.

>>389915860
The US or the Japan version?

>>389916185
US version

>>389903826
/thread

>>389907746
Gamecube has a lot of unfinished work, but because of tight deadlines and heavy competition, they seemingly threw stuff together. I see the Gamecube era as experimental for them.

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>>389915970
Oh man, don't remind me

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Odyssey has more varied world design, movement that looks more like 64, and, hopefully, better level design. Plus, it has more variety in the hubs. Makes sense to be excited for Odyssey, even if you didn't like Sunshine

>>389906853
Zilch
I'm pretty sure the only game that actually uses it is 1-2 Switch

>>389909048
I think what he means is that Banjo-Kazooie was designed as an improvement over Super Mario 64 in that you didn't have to leave the level every time you got a main collectable, which is one of the changes Odyssey has made to the classic Sandbox Mario games.

>6 more weeks

Fuck I don't think I can take it /v/. Splatoon is fun but I definitely don't like it enough to play it 6 weeks straight.

>>389906853
Some games do use motion controls, like ARMS, but they're vastly improved and far more responsive than the Wii's motion controls which are over a decade old now. Also they're usually just one of many optional playstyles.

As far as how it effects Odyssey though see >>389907428

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>>389917995
You baby man, getting this and then the trunks are the true definition of tedious

>>389903639
>Odyssey is literally Sunshine 2
And you know that how?

>>389906853

The Switch has no mandatory waggling, every game can be played with standard controls aside from games that you wouldn't want, like 1 2 Switch.

>>389904882
There's a reason every 3D mario released after Galaxy has been mostly based on it in terms of level design, Fludd is good but the game overall was rough.

>>389918938
This, it will probably be the best game since 64.

By the way, is Galaxy 2 worth playing? I liked the first one but I though it felt a lot shorter than other Mario games and some of the comet stars were annoying.

>>389906352
this

what the fuck OP? fucking kill yourself

>>389903639
Odyssey is 64-2. Sunshinefags go and stay go. Sunshine is
>THAT PART the game

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>>389903639

Too much fucking coin related missions

>>389904396
Fludd was fun, what the fuck are you on about? You spend half the game without the damn thing anyways.

>>389915860
Both versions of Mario 2 are good.

>>389922340
Their both gimmicks. Some people want jump man games.

>>389922450
Whats the issue, was sunshine too hard?

>>389915860
How was it bad? It inspired more elements of future Mario games than JP Mario 2.

>>389922542
>every level has at least two red coin missions
shit no wonder it felt so repetitive

>>389922894
No. Sunshine is just full of
>THAT FUCKING PART
64 I usually go for all stars, in Sunshine I actively avoid most of the stars.

>>389908219
>chibi robo is shit
Literally kill yourself

>>389903639
>but with posessing enemies instead of spraying graffiti
There's a huge difference in fun between these two activities

>>389923153
it's literally video game janitor simulation. it's really not fun the way you have to slowly equip every little ability you have.

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>tfw can't find a CRT in my area to properly play 64 or Sunshine like old times

>>389923763
If you live in NYC, I think I still have a Panasonic 20" EDTV, component and svideo inputs. I played all my old games so no longer need it

>>389903639
I love Sunshine and Odyssey is going to be great.

>>389923763
Try looking for one in your local Melee scene