Why are there so few good dads in video games? Can we have

Dojima's a pretty terrible dad until you show up.

>>389899193
people that make vidya have daddy issues, a lot of easy mode writing for characters is DADDY ISSUES, this board has DADDY issues.

>>389899193
SHAUN
SHAUN

SHAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN

Chuck Greene, King Daphnes and arguably Lee Everett

>>389899193

remember when the fucking god made your daughter cry then offered you earth but you fucking punched him in the face?

yea man, me too. asura best dad

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>>389899193

Because if you're a male role-model in current year the media has to portray you as dumb, fat, and lazy.

>>389900580
Richard is a good dad though

>>389899280
Raising a little kid alone is not an easy task. Though i admit he's been acting like an asshole.

Is the a gay thread or something?

>>389901221

A dad can't be gay dumby.

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>>389899193
Clyde Arrowny is the best dad

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Hey guys, where is my daughter

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Chrom is a pretty great dad

>>389899193
NANAKO
I'M GONNA KICK YOU IN THE GUT

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>>389903596

>>389899193
>leaves his daughter alone every day
>stays late so she has no one to eat with

>Good dad

>>389901861
On my dick.

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>>389901608

>>389901861
stephfather =/= father

eternal reminder Dojima was the original killer but Altus changed it at the last minute.

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Best AA dad

>>389905110
>at the last minute.
factually untrue

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>>389900580
>Because if you're a male role-model in current year the media has to portray you as dumb, fat, and lazy.
give me two examples of good male role models who the media has to portray as dumb fat and lazy

>>389905110
Fuck off retard.

>>389905604
his and the guy from stephan universe

>>389905604

It's prominent in pretty much every tv show and movie, especially animation. For some reason every animator just turns the father figure into Homer Simpson.

>>389905830
Steven's dad is a subversion of sorts where he works hard to raise his son but everyone treats him like a bum.

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>>389905830
i dont watch childrens shows. give me some real examples

>>389905979
>I don't watch those shows so I don't recognize them, tell me characters in shows that I've watched that I've somehow forgotten about existing

>>389905979
But anon, children are EXACTLY who need to see good fatherly role models in the media.

>>389905979

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BumblingDad

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>>389906179
>all dads in media are portrayed as fat fucks
>w-well if you dont watch steven or gumball youre im not gonna gve any examples
also im reading the wiki for greg universe, other than being a little overweight and he seems like a great role model who is not dumb or lazy. ill get back to you on gumball dad in a sec <3

>>389906570

Gumballs dad is pretty much the same. They're both fat, below-average smart dads who although can't do much, clearly love their kids. I wouldn't call that a bad parent.

https://youtu.be/XkEgUf-Sd00

Cartoon Network knows how to make feels sometimes

Do you love your dad /v/

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Flint

>>389904204

>single dad who has to work every day and night not only to make ends meet but to protect the town he lives in
>bad

>>389908518
maybe.
I've litterally got a picture on the wall behind my computer of him, but the guy is an insane risk taker that wants to make money quickly and easilly and doesn't want to work at all and has nothing to show for it.

guy's basically living on nothing and asks me for money and car lifts all the time.

>>389909419
not to fucking mention
>japanese worker

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>>389899193

>>389908518
[spoilers]no[/spoilers]

>>389899193
Would Persona 4 have been better if Uncle Dojima became a party member instead of Naoto?

>>389899280
There really wasn't much he could do otherwise. He can't just quit his only income so he was up the creek without a paddle.

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>Dojima
>good father

>>389910328
Yeah, there was code for him as a fighter in Arena too, I always felt he originally had a bigger role.

>>389899280
>Tfw no chad nephew to push me in line

>>389910498
Yeah it's real easy being the only half competent detective on an entire police force in the middle of what was probably the biggest crime wave rural Japan has encountered in 30 years. He never hit her or anything, he just got drunk. My dad used to get drunk and throw me in a pool in November.

>>389910498
hold on

how were they going to buy bourbon?

>>389908518
Yes

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>>389910607

>Arc System Works originally wanted Ryotaro Dojima as one of the playable characters of Persona 4 Arena during the pre-planning stages when they were deciding on the cast. Takumi Iguchiya joked that instead of a Persona, he would summon Nanako Dojima to his aid. However, Atlus rejected that concept.

>>389910992
I'm never not going to be mad about this.

>>389910607
What would Dojima's Persona and Shadow have been?

>>389910992
His summon should have been a white sedan

>>389910992
It always felt like Naoto was created after they decided to remove Dojima as a party member to me. She's a cool character but she's basically a cop, who carries a gun for no discernible reason since she's fucking 15, and her plan was something that felt like a desperate person of more normal intellect would attempt to apprehend the killer, I.E. something dojima would've tried after coming to believe Nanako was being targeted for whatever reason.

It honestly would've been better, since "mourning father who feels impotent in the face of his wife's death and has to try and most likely fail to raise a kid by himself" is infinitely more relatable than genius child detective who's "secretly" female but wants to be male for respect but not really.

I bet at some point they dropped him for another teenager character.

>>389911261
His shadow would've definitely been his gnawing regret at being a detective but not being able to locate his wife's killer, and his feelings of failure towards Nanako. Would've been pretty GOAT to see. I'd imagine his shadow would take the form of a dead woman mangled into a body of twisted car wreckage that spent the whole fight screaming in pain.

>>389910992
>still no adult persona users

GOD
just GOD damn.
I guess japan doesn't want to deal with adulthood.

>>389911403
Why is atlus allergic to adult characters?
The only smt game i can think of with adults as the main cast is strange journey.

>>389911714
What about Persona 1 and 2?

>>389911591
>Nanako is kidnapped
>You tell Dojima that she's been sucked into a TV world and that you can jump into it and get her out
>He laughs at you and tells you to prove it
>You get up and ACTUALLY PUT YOUR HAND IN THE FUCKING TV right in front of him
>He forces you to let him in and gets BTFO by Shadows
>You now need to save both Dojima AND Nanako before the month ends
>Dojima party member at the end of it
Imagine for a moment this actually happening. Why didn't they do this?

>>389911591
>he doesn't just handle his persona like an adult because hes not some hormone addled teenager whose confused about everything

He would probably be the chain breaker without a boss fight. "yeah that stuff you say is true, it does eat at me but I'm moving past that and I've got a daughter to look after, I don't have the time to live in the past, I barely have enough time with nanako as is."

>>389911841
Same reason why you never got Sojiro as a party member.

>>389911829
thats what I was thinking about when I posted that. would be cool to have an adult whose persona is really under control

>>389911875
Or alternatively, his problems are much, much more extreme than any other character and therefore would serve as the final shadow since he'd be way more disturbed by them.

>>389911841
you know for a fact this was supposed to happen.

there was a god damn t.v. in your interrogation room. it was even scoobie dooed so you were supposed to interact with it.


if you check on it they say "oh well you don't know where you'll end up" which they clearly add in later.

>>389911972
Excluding Ken you could also count the P3 characters that returned in the fighting game as adults.

>>389912081
I don't know man, adachi probably had it the worst but his shadow didn't control him.

at least I don't think thats what controlled him.

>>389899193
>Why are there so few good dads?

Fixed

>>389912186
Or could go either way but adults tend to have way deeper problems than teenagers because they have more time to gather regret. Dojima definitely had a hardass life, I could see his shadow being way more terrifying and a demonstration to the others that their own problems while noteworthy weren't shit compared to an old dog like Dojima. Would've been a good way of setting up the stakes for the final third of the game, but I can see it working either way.

>>389911714

I think it has more to do with adults already accepted who they are at that point. It would be kinda weird to have someone like Dojima, a man in his 40s, screaming at himself and denying who he is.

>>389912216
I'd say the answer to that is really simple actually.

most forms of writing have a character that is a contradiction to the norm.

like slutty nun, girl who can't cook, or evil religious figure.

dads being idiots contradicts the old wise father figure that taught you everything you know.

but now as society changes, instead of that being intersting, shocking, or even satisfying it's simply normal and boring.

we simply enjoy contradictions and challenging norms.
Now the clock is turning, the bumbling father figure and the nihlistic character tropes are starting to get tiring.

we might fold back to old views just to challenge the wave of "progressive".

>>389912452
>You abandon your daughter because you hate how much she looks like your wife!
>You hate how her existence reminds you of your failure and how you continue to fail!
>You hate her!
>NO YOU'RE NOT ME

>>389912452
You think Dojima would take it well if someone just out and told him he was a shit dad that cared more about his wife's death than his daughter's life?

>>389912387
See
>>389912452

I just think adults are a lot more understanding of their own thoughts.

>>389912772
He'd probably just punch them first.

shit that'd be funny if he finishes the boss fight like as an assist.

>>389912783
I consent to your point, but I feel it wouldn't necessarily have to be a screaming match like the others. Were it written more like a complete breakdown it could've had a lot of impact where instead of him screaming like a child he just breaks more inwardly.

>>389912715
Do you even think Dojima would even deny it? He's hardly as insecure as the other shitty teenagers. Maybe if Nanako was there

>>389912981
This, imagine a neighbor told him that. it'd probably stun him a bit but he'd understand pretty fast.

>>389911717
Because that would be some straight up Silent Hill tier shit, that's why. Adults don't freak out over the simple shit the kids did, there issues would be way more brutal. You could honestly make a straight up horror game if you went far enough with it.

Imagine the shadow of a guy who killed his wife or accidentally hit a kid with his truck, or a cop trying to deal with shooting a pregnant woman on accident, or even something like a soldier with PTSD or a sexual predator having to face his/hers.

>>389911717
There's also Eternal Punishment. Though there were still teen party members, for most of the game your main party is adults.

>>389912981
Deny that he's not been the best father to Nanako? No, he wouldn't deny that. Deny that he hates and resents his own daughter? Yes, he would.

>>389913274
sounds fun desu

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>>389913274
What would your shadow be like /v/?

so is persona 6 going to come out relatively soon like persona 4?

i'd figure they'd use the same engine again.
And theres no way they wouldn't try another round persona 5 sold like fucking hotcakes.

>>389899193
I have never seen a straight white couple or a white father in 14 years of watching tv.

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Do you think you'll be a good father /v/?

>>389911960
I don't know what Sojiro's phantom thief outfit would be but it would be fucking amazing.

What are some games where you have an actually good dad but still have to fight them because of differing ideals

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Best Dad

>>389913689
Grimly in Fargo though he's a massive pussy
Red Foreman
Jimmy Mcnulty in The Wire

>>389913573
They're probably going to at least do a P3 remake first.

>>389899193
I want to nominate Auron as best vidya dad. He managed to undo ten years and two shit parents worth of abuse and made Tidus a pretty successful dude.

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>bring a trained assassin into your house with your daughter who you leave alone constantly
>spend zero time with your daughter and eventually adopted son
>get duped and leave them alone as junior guild members to deal with a threat way out of their league
>have no intention of going looking for your adopted son after he goes full edgelord and disappears after drugging your daughter
>eventually change your mind and leave it completely up to your daughter to go 'find your damn fool of a son' thus pitting her head to head with a threat even you are afraid of
>do it all while looking handsome as fuck

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>make a bunch of cute dads and give them each distinct personalities and backstories
>never acknowledge any of them ever again, instead focusing on the sexual habits of the female supporting cast
sasuga, mogeko

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>>389914391
yeah but he left his adopted son with a drunk, stripping dominatrix.

>>389914959
That's a plus

Schera is best girl and anyone who went with Agate at first in SC is crazy.

>>389915082
>That's a plus

well obviously

Any dad in Princess Maker since YOU are the dad.

>>389916156
Except when you accidentally make a bad daughter

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>>389918134
>accidentally
You totally weren't going for that slut ending, right?

>>389913548
this is a dumb question to ask when your shadow is the part of you that you refuse to acknowledge

If you actually think you have an answer to this question then you should stop and consider that you really don't