What games let me transcend my own mortality and become

>>389836648
pretty much every roguelike, but you already seem to have great taste in those

morrowind, if you roleplay a bit

>>389836648

Wat game?

>>389837076
TomE. Highly recommend this roguelike if you like roguelikes

>>389836648
>resource bars
How is it playing as a Chronomancing Paladin Necromancer?

DCSS has Necromutation, lets you go full lichform.

Likewise you can literally spawn as a mummy or ghoul.

>>389837076
TomE, only roguelike where you can pay to remove perma death.

>>389837287
That's Steamtech, actually. I get Chant of Resistance, heavy armour and Tinkering to get rid of the fatigue from the armour. I've managed to get to level 50 with the build before and I was pretty tanky.

>>389837164
>>389837350
>one post says it's good
>another one says it's p2w
Something's off here. I sense a shill.

>>389836648
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/40607/?

>>389837470
>roguelike
>win
lol

>>389837470
Game is free to download, but you can donate to get a few extra things. Full list is here. https://te4.org/donate.

ToME has great classes. Probably the best classes I have ever played. The way your char progresses feels very natural. Every class also have several builds. I had a real blast playing shield+slinger, psyshot, bulwark dwarf. My ONLY problem with game is that dungeons are fucking the same every run. Played for 130 hours. Dev really deserves money for his game.

>>389836648
Real life

>>389837470
>I sense a shill.
Stop memeing this thread into this bullshit. Game is free.

>>389837627
Your ssl cert has expired friendo.

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>>389837676
>Dev really deserves money for his game.
It's a Zangband fork.
Really, any kind of proprietary roguelike goes against the spirit of this great genre.

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Dominions 4 lets you transcend your mortality among other things.

>>389837470
It's free to play but you can pay to remove the dev's obnoxious jew begging and get stupid notaroguelike features. Despite his shitty business practices it's solid though.

Is Tome better than Adom?

>>389837832
I seem to have this game installed.
Is there some quickstart guide I should read before going balls deep or some good tutorial nation to campaign as?

>>389837813
>Really, any kind of proprietary roguelike goes against the spirit of this great genre.
Is this spirit so valueable that you are not allowed to make similiar games?

>>389837984
There's a thread dedicated to it on /vg/, check the OP there.

ToME is fucking great. I could never make it past the orclands tho and I made it there only because I used a cookie cutter dwarf zerker build.

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>>389837979
No! ADOM is the best roguelike available! Thanks for buying my game goy!

>>389836648
Is the game full of content and is the gameplay intuitive?
From my experience with roguelikes either the game has terrible gameplay but an insane amount of stuff in it, or it has a good intuitive gameplay mechanics yet lacks any content.

Been playing only DCSS for the past 5 years. Sell me on ToME.

Hint: I like it when a game is unfair and hard.

>>389838079
Sniper elf ranger is much more coockie cutter. Never died plaing as ranger and killed last boss on first walkthough.

>>389838180
>I like it when a game is unfair and hard.
You should be playing IVAN if you haven't beaten it already.

>>389837848
>it's free
>but you can donate if you want to get a class, set custom tileset and an easy mode nobody plays in a game where you can effortlessly add them through modding if you know how
>shitty business pracitce
Jesus, you are from those few percent that are never satisfied, aren't you

>>389838180
There are several difficulties. I wouldn't say game is unfair.

>>389837990
I don't understand, how did you infer anything like that from my post?

>>389838256
What classes you need to buy? Not including DLC classes.

I ragequit this game when I get teleported into the boss arena full of lava on my last life. Was a pretty fun run though.

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i like elona+

grinded to the point where i got 3 digit stats now i gotta grind more again to hit 4 digit stats

>>389838339
You weren't implying anything?

>>389838180
High difficulty tome is ridiculously unfair and hard so you're set

>>389838404
>When you grind so hard you start punching gods to death

>>389838404
>playing elona when you could play the game it wasn't a japanese knockoff of, ADOM

>>389838515
they even added a mode where you dont need to grind

but why are you even playing a roguelike if you dont like to grind?

>>389837627
sort out your cert
https://certbot.eff.org/

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>>389838450
I said that since it's a Zangband fork it is against the spirit of its predecessors which it owes evertything to to charge money for the game or keep some of the code base proprietary.
I have nothing against forking other roguelikes or making roguelikes that are similar to others as long as the software created is not proprietary.
I still don't understand how you came up with >>389837990 from my post.

>>389838669
It's not a zangband fork anymore you turbonigger

>>389838669
I get it now.
>I still don't understand how you came up with
I just expect negativity from people.

>>389838579
but elona 2 is in development!
which is probably indefinitely delayed after steam greenlight got removed

In Might & Magic VII one of the progression paths for a sorcerer is to become a lich. You get the skeleton treatment and all that, it's a great game overall.

>>389838590
Wait, which mode is that and how does it remove grind? Do stats/skills just train faster or what?
I wanted to try a new character for necromancy stuff since I haven't done that before, but the grind is kinda putting me off (for now).
I just gathered shit I want to pass down as inheritance, too.

>>389838590
Sicne when grinding is tied to roguelikes? What the fuck

>>389838817
>Tfw Act 4 will be complete and translated by the time Noa updates his site again

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>>389838776

>>389838853
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Balance
its overdose mode

its a 20x modifier on gains

also elona's necromancy is kinda weird
you have do like grind up your crafting skills because they mostly scale off it
its not like raising a dead corpse you just killed

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>>389836648
tfw no modern games with newgame+//rebirth options

>>389838853
Overdose mode is one of the difficulty options, makes you get 20x more experience but sets your score to zero.
There's also Loss mode if you hate yourself and want to suffer.

>>389838037
Thank

>>389839046
Yeah I know about how it works more or less, I've read up on it and it's kinda interesting to be QUITE honest.

I guess overdose mode it is.
The only question is how much do I care about score. I guess not much.

>>389839046
Jesus christ since when was there an overdose mode? I've put in a baby 100 hours into Elona and I didn't even get to the fun shit

>>389839149
Score does absolutely fucking nothing. You don't get any special items or abilities from having a high score. Just play however you want, Elona+ was never meant to be a super hardcore roguelike anyway.

>>389836648
dominions 4 is the true lich simulator.

I like caves of qud

>>389839217
In my experience you do have to grind in this game
The 20x modifier barely helps when it comes to rng and drop rates

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Battle for Wesnoth has 2 lich campaigns, though the better of the 2 (Descent Into Darkness) doesn't make you a lich until the end.

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It's amazing how few games there are about liches or even just featuring them.

So what do you do in Elona+ anyway? I played it a few months ago and mostly just fucked around for hours with a little girl and a scientist but I had no idea what I was doing.

Liches/skeletalfags are the worst. Prove me wrong.

>>389840556
fuck you meatbag

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>>389840556
You can fuck off.

I liked ToME but the semi-static dungeons just got boring after a few plays.
And the balance is completely fucked, everything has so little HP that combat is a oneshot and stunlock fest, both ways.
It needs a complete rebalance, at the current state it reminds me of early WoW PvP at the worst.
I mean you know burst is ridiculous when the game has sustained abilities with the effect that you cannot take a single hit that deals more than 75% of your max hp in damage.

Most of the harder enemies will put several disabling debuffs on you, then you use your infusions and whatever anti-CC class abilities you have and hope you can burst the enemy down in 3-4 spells because after that your immunity runs out and get stunned/silenced/dazed/disarmed for 9 turns.

It has some interesting classes, but against 95% of the enemies (non-elite enemies) you just end up using that single aoe spell that oneshot kills the common trash mobs, and most of your repertoire only comes into play once every 5 minutes. It just gets boring when most encounters are trivial until you meet an enemy that kills you in 2 turns.

>>389840118
Grind skills up, clear dungeons, collect treasure, grind more.

>>389841012
Insane difficulty is where the real fun is at.

>>389841107
Oh yeah, so much fun.
>hey every enemy is 2-3 times your level, which means if your class relies on crowd controls like Solipsist don't even bother since they will resist everything, meanwhile everything they do will have full duration on you regardless of your resists

Making the game harder by bloating enemy levels instead of increasing their damage/health is fucking retarded.

>>389837832
>the spell lasts until someone dispels it
Literally trash tier.

>>389841449
>implying people have resources to spare for a dispel when the looming threat of bats and skeletons is at hand

>>389841247
oh hey it's this faggot from /rlg/
your posts are still incomprehensible and retarded git gud

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>>389837832
>tfw one of the recent updates made troop management glitchy
I should have 50 fucking slots free on this 80 leadership general, yet somehow some of my other generals can exceed their leadership limit.

>>389841247
Go back to playing Elona you dumb casual. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having to build your character properly to achieve what it's meant to.

>>389841531
>when a simple dispel removes said threat altogether
Wow, such a hard choice to make.

>>389842053
It's a dumb design that you oneshot most enemies and then some fucker comes along that kills you in 3 turns through 2 of your damage shields.
The game is WAY too spiky.
It's not fun either, since against trash enemies you never get to use most of your spells, they just die too fast.

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>>389841449
You can use extra gems into the spell to make dispelling harder. Some of the globals simply cannot be allowed to stay up but on the other hand, attempting a dispel may be prohibitively risky. For example, if you attempt the dispel with +200 astral pearls but the global was overcast with +250, you've wasted a an almost game-losing amount of resources for nothing. Same with overcasting dispel when the global was in fact cast without any extra gems (it goes down but the enemy can then just recast it for reals while you've expended your astral pearls). Blood globals are also effectively undispellable because dispel mechanics treat blood slaves equal to gems but they're far easier to come by.

So no, it's not "just cast dispel". Generally speaking, globals stay up if their caster intends them to stay up.

>>389842416
>dispel
>simple to cast
>people even being motivated to waste time and resources to cast it in a FFA game with several other players when they could be using them to cast beneficial spells for themselves

I mean did you even play the game or are you just shitposting?

>install Dominions
>see first battle
>it's a movie, cannot even control anything
>uninstall Dominions
What a fucking joke.

>>389837470
The boring truth is it's overshadowed by its competition.

>>389844264
You can deploy your troops and commanders and give them basic scripted orders. It can get very involved.

>>389844440
tome has no competition

>>389836648
>elona
you can buy a potion from friendly skeleton!

>>389836648
TomE is such a good game.

>>389836648
>interested in this game
>look up gameplay
>it has no animations and the characters just snap into grids in combat
dropped

>>389846058
It's kind of like turn based Diablo 1.

>>389846208
yeah i know
my problem isn't that it's turn based
it's that there's no animations for anything
it's literally worse than playing a PnP dungeon crawl

>>389846264
t. never played a roguelike

>>389846306
diablo 1 had animations
binding of isaac had animations
ftl had animations
spelunky had animations
literally no excuse.

>>389846264
I thought ToME had animations but it's been quite a while since I've last played it (beat it on default settings on the first try as berserker(?), haven't looked at it since). However, I definitely wouldn't want animations if it was an option: one of the strengths of turn-based games is ability to play at a rapid pace if you so desire, and animations get in the way.

>>389846501
>one of the strengths of turn-based games is ability to play at a rapid pace if you so desire
what
no it isn't
this is the strength of real time/real time with pause games

>>389846413
You have to go back

>>389846413
look up the berlin interpretation right now you faggot
i still cant defend tome tiles though theyre ugly as fuck and you cant even use ascii properly

>>389846413
All of those games are casual shit. You've never played a real dungeon crawler.

>>389846561
Not that guy, but yes it is. Have you ever seen how a "high skill" roguelike playthrough looks like at the beginning? Roguelikes have you starting the game from scratch over and over, countless times. A lot of the time you'll end up doing the same things you've done in other runs, so you'll pretty much speedrun through the beginning, being forced to wait for animations would be hell.

>>389846501
GraphicsToME has effect and projectile animations, but it's all super quick (.1sec max) and mostly just there for clarity.
If you're playing roguelikes at a rapid pace, you're playing them wrong.

>>389846561
Well, maybe if you have an option to significantly increase game speed as well. But turn-based games without animations allow you to, for example, use "move to location" command and immediately appear on the other side of the map if obstacles weren't encountered. Or issue commands rapidly in fights (even if you ignore macro systems some roguelikes feature, you tend to memorize the keypress sequences that common actions involve, so instead of waiting for magic missile animation to finish, you can just press Z-c-6-Z-c-6-Z-c-6 or whatever and cast it thrice by the time the first cast animation would have finished in an animated system).

>>389846413
hownew.ru

>>389846804
I've beat NetHack, ADOM and ToME 2.3.5 (when it was still Angband-variant with Middle-Earth setting) among others. There's a place and time to go through your inventory and estimate the odds of unidentified scroll getting you out of trouble versus writing Elbereth or playing carefully as you encounter floating eye or whatever, but there are also situations where you might as well play quickly or use some of the features that turn-based format allow (like "move to location, interrupt if you sense anything at all" or "wait 100 turns", both taking milliseconds to execute).

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>>389842416
>Just dispel it lmao

>>389837336
DCSS

Neutral good necromancer reporting in

Lichdom is wrong

1.6 when?

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This doesn't seem like a good deal to me

>>389848548
I easily got more than 15 bucks worth of entertainment from it, but your mileage may vary.
I bought it on sale on top of the 50% third worlder discount I get.

>>389848548
then get it from rutracker

>>389840556
>Death focusing "mages" that raise skellies
>Not edgy or useless outside of death minions
>Not Life/Nature mages that can alter themselves as they want and create living things as they please.

Yeap the worst.

ToME is a fucking eyesore that runs like shit. Total disgrace of a roguelike.

>>389840556
Elemental magic will forever be the most maximum pleb form of magic. Skeletons are the ideal form of summon as demons will always always always betray you

>>389849228
I can see why it would run like shit though considering all the insane calculations it has to make every turn.
Now multiply that by the number of enemies on screen

>>389849380
Right, which is why the game is bloated and bad.

>>389849380
You can't be serious.
FPS AI make a thousand times more expensive calculations and they do it every frame in a 60 fps game, instead of every couple of seconds per turn.

>>389841653
Are you using magical/undead/demon troops? They use different leadership, which isn't shown on that screen.

>>389848548
it's a free game on te4.org which is why you're right, it's a terrible deal

>>389848515
fuck you, 1.6 is gonna make insane even more tedious

>>389849901
And it's remarkable that ToME still runs like complete shit despite that.

>>389851503
And it's remarkable that (You) are retarded. Not an argument.

>>389852684
lol

>>389836854
There's a mod for this actually called the Illuminated Order. One of the best Morrowind mods.

Should I play Elona E+C or plain Elona translated version? Which one contains the least amount of Engrish?

>>389853892
never play vanilla Elona.
Either E+ or E+C
E+ simply has a lot of untranslated text with placeholders that literally says sorry, not translated. Also untranslated story sequences don't even show, they are just skipped.

Play E+C if you actually want to see the game's story.

>>389854476
Ahhh thanks anon!

>>389854696
By the way, there is a general thread usually up at /jp/ with pastebins and lots of info.

>>389855131
Excellent. I will be there.

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>>389855286
>>389855131
plz no

But what roguelikes have sexual themes to them?
No really, I don't know any. Do they even exist?

>>389857373
>go to /jp/ to see what the hubbub is about
>5 pages of waifu trash
>lots of it 3DPD
was it different before?

>>389845232
>2 players changing their scripting every turn during a blitz to react to each other
>while you sit waiting for them to end their turns as they drag out a war for hours longer
>and as you and your fellows get sick of their shit and dogpile them they buddy up and drag that out even more
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>389857480
Noxico
you're welcome
You can mod a couple of them like cataclysm DDA and i guess tome to have sex in them too

>>389857913
>Look it up
>Second result on Google is "How do i have sex?"
Welp. Might check it out later.

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>>389857891
The patrician choice is playing games by e-mail. You get to do one turn per day, but"events" happen a lot more often, and turns are a lot more concentrated. You get hours to plan out the optimal movements and tactics. Feels a lot more like a real campaign too, and if someone is "dragging out" their turns are skipped and you get to eat their land.

>>389857480
There is that loli kidnapping sim made by guy on /sci/
I don't know if he released it yet tho

>>389857480
I have a friend who would be interested in this too.

>>389857913
Google search leads me to a page with an anthropomorphic cheetah with tits...If i'm not into furries then is this game a no go for me?

I can play CoC as long as I keep my character relatively human and If I stay away from futas and lesbian sex with furries but thats cutting out more than half the game practically. Is Noxico going to be the same?

>>389859008
Bumping for this.

So how I not get one shotted by everything in Elona?

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>>389859008
>If I stay away from futas and lesbian sex with furries but thats cutting out more than half the game
this is such a pain. The game was great for a while but then Fenoxo just let whoever wanted to write for it write for it and of course furries are the only people autistic and dedicated enough to do it. Can't wait for these fags to yiff in jail

>>389859774
>Could have a neat fantasy sexual text-based game with dwarves and elves and orcs and harpies and the occasional anthro creature
>LOL NO HERE'S MY DOG GIRL OC WITH A TWO FOOT LONG HORSE COCK
>WHAT ARE ELVES? THOSE DON'T SOUND LIKE THEY SHOULD BE IN FANTASY
>OH YEAH AND THE ONLY ORC IN THE GAME IS UTTERLY GAY
If it wasn't for the apparently atrocious coding for the game, and the seeming monopoly the FanMod has over additions to it, I might have bothered to make it more fantastical.

>>389860393
Exactly. The fucking furry mafia is ridiculous.

>>389860393
Just write content for 4*2chan mod
No shitty mods there to ban the thread when they touch things they weren't allowed to

>>389860393
The best content i've seen in CoC was the traditional fantasy stuff like Satyrs, imps, goblins, minotaurs, assuming you play a female character or if you're a fag who likes to get raped by monsters.

>>389860578
>Just write content for 4*2chan mod
[desire to know more]

>>389848019
>puts 1500 slaves into corruption
>gets domkilled anyway
Ulm a shit

>>389860578
>4*2chan mod
You're going to have to spoon feed me on this please.

>>389860505
The fan mod does at least makes mention of Elves and Dwarves in the ice area (Although maybe only enough to disqualify them), and adds in a couple non-furry enemies, but at the cost of ANOTHER 'super kewl and strong and smart' OC.

>>389860613
Precisely. The issue I have with the game is the rampant idiocy with the OCs, especially with utterly EVERYTHING surrounding the 'good' city. Shit, even some of the other OCs like Hel and the angry dragon girl are alright, comoared to the shit fest that is Tel'adre

>>389860704
>>389860684
https://pastebin.com/CDU8byhd
https://mega.nz/#F!St0HiaTC!oNQs48SWTDvmDBLHWZuHHA

The CoC thread is up on /hgg/ board

>>389861335
>Shota
I am instantly intruiged, but not sold.