Why Tactical shooters died? I'm not talking about shitty

>>389824470
Consoles.

People are going to state this is some "master race" bullshit but it is true.

Less control configuration due to limits of gamepad killed the more advance specimens of the genre.

Like most games from more complex genre: Limitations of console controls/user-interfaces.

>>389824470
It's gradually becoming a niche market, in an environment where the competition has budgets reaching the millions.

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>>389824470
>Why Tactical shooters died?
They didn't, peabrain

>>389824857
Read OP, casual CS baby

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>>389824470
>I'm not talking about shitty pretendo CS clones like Siege, i'm talking about real tactical shooters

>>389824857
fuck off

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>>389824857
>>389824948
>Siegetards

>>389824470
theres a new tactical swat like game coming out called Ready or Not. looks pretty interesting. heres the link to the trailer.
https://youtu.be/98VgvtWORC4

>>389824945
>>389825021
>>389825125
>SWATshitters never played Siege before
Some things just never change

>>389824470
>pretendo CS clones like Siege
Maybe they wouldn't have died if retards who mostly didn't buy weren't the voice piece of the audience.

I love SWAT 3 and 4, enjoyed the old Rainbow games, but that doesn't mean I have to make retarded statements about things I don't know anything about, guess I have you for that.

And since you're an illiterate retard I'll spell this out for you since I know you're now seething with rage typing your reply about how Siege isn't a real tactical shooter. I'm aware, I never said it was, or even that it was good.

ready or not looks like it might be the spiritual sequel to SWAT we've been waiting for but the devs haven't show any gameplay or posted an update for a while so it might be dead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd139Nin33M&t

>>389825545
>literally falling for viral marketing on /v/
lol

Perfection was already achieved with Raven Shield, the genre had nowhere else to go.

>>389825596
Looks better than Siege, thats for sure

>>389826240
It literally doesn't actually, since you haven't seen it, unless you're a dev so poor you're doing your own shilling here.

>>389824857
>>389824948
>playing a stale multiplayer only shitfest
Eat a dick.

>>389826321
you want a tactical shooter game or not?

>This thread was solely created to shit on Siege
How mad can you be

>>389824470
too complex, not enough of a cinematic experience that they can chop up into pieces and sell separately

>>389825254
>siege shitter can't read or use his brain
Some things just never change

>>389826414
Oh, you're one of those. I'll spell it out for you retard, not that it will do you any good I imagine, just because no one is making these kind of games anymore it doesn't mean that if someone claims they are going to make one we all need to start sucking their dick as hard as possible and praise whatever comes out of it regardless of quality. Go Kickstart some shitty genre revival no one cares about and keep your blind cock sucking there.

>siegebabies actually think their casual online FPS is anywhere near as good as SWAT 3 or 4

What is with the samefagging crying about Siege? Why not talk about fucking Swat or old R6 or what you hope for in the future? If you're going to bitch about Siege you could at least actually say something other than the typical shitpost of "ur game shit lawl".

>>389826675
one of those what? You come here complaining about a genre being dead. someone posts a link to a new game that is trying to bring back the genre and you shit all over it and completely ignore it. what the fuck do you want kid?

>>389826978
>OP starts thread about tactical shooters
>"No siege shit" written in the fucking post
>siegefags come in anyway to shill their game
And you wonder why everyone hates siegefags

>>389827146
>one of those what?
Try reading, retard.
>You come here complaining about a genre being dead
Nope, try again. Didn't even read past that point since you've contributed nothing thus far.

>>389827558
I honestly cant understand you dude. are you just mad or is your mind open for suggestion? Tell me exactly you would want from a new tactical shooter?

>>389827220
>make a post about a topic
>attack people, incite them to come shitpost back at you
>on /v/
>they do it
>blame them for doing exactly what was done to them, what they were set up to do
>someone posts a reasonable post
>continue to shift blame on those you incited
This is why there is no discussion for tactical shooters, you'd rather incite shitposting while you jack off, then say you didn't do nothing.

Do the difficulties in SWAT 4 change anything other than the amount of points needed to pass?

Also should I play SWAT 3 if I've played SWAT 4 quite a bit?

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>>389824470
>tfw we could have had a nice thread but OP had to be a faggot and shitpost about Siege because it's not Rogue Spear
You could have even just said you didn't wanna talk about games like CS or Siege (even though you didn't need to) but your unquenchable cocklust prevented you, how sad.

>>389827750
>siegefags only came into the thread to shitpost
>y-you started it!
Go make your own fucking thread or go to /vg/ if you want talk about siege retard

>>389827805
Apparently everyone's morale is raised so they don't GET DOWN as easily.

No, it's shit.

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fuck this thread im hijacking it. fuck you op. post your waifu operator

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>>389828297

>>389828091
>shitpost about Siege as an OP
>on /v/
>can't deal with being called out by anyone reasonable
>stutters like a retard
>accuses anyone who wants to talk about Swat instead of shitposting about Siege of being Siege fans
Wow, you sure are amazing. Your thread has gone so well!

>>389827805
SWAT 3 is pretty similar to 4 and yeah, you should play it. Main differences from 4 are there's less LtL options, the combat is faster (movement/AI reaction time) and more lethal, and the RoE system is not as strictly enofrced. You still get scored on how well you adhere to RoE but it hardly seems to matter.

SWAT 3 to me is just more "pure" as a tactical shooter. Stuff like RoE score and LtL equipment is kept minimal and you will be focused more on actually employing the best tactics that you can to save civilians and accomplish mission objectives. The AI is also the most effective in the genre, which means that you don't have to hesitate when giving them orders like you would in SWAT 4 and that you will always use the best tactics that you can formulate instead of going out of your way to make up for the AI's shortcomings.

>>389828434
>I was talking about SWAT all along and not shitposting and shill siege
Sure you were shitposter-kun

>>389828479
This actually sounds a lot better than 4. Think I might pick it up on steam, thanks man.

>>389828595
>when proven wrong you just greentext shit you made up so you can reply to your own creation sarcastically to feel better about your failure
You are so god damn sad. Read >>389826978 and actually think for a minute instead of whining about the internet boogieman you created for yourself.

No one who isn't retarded and actually wants to talk about [niche genre] on /v/ starts a thread with "fuck anyone who likes [currently more popular, not ret related game] anyone who likes it is retarded" and expects the thread to not be full of shitposting, given they literally just incited it instead of attempting to start a real discussion.

>>389824470
Why are "tactical shooter" guys always singleplayer fags? Are you all oldfags that can't compete anymore?

>>389827220
Don't ever reply to me again.

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>>389824857
>This is what Seigefags think tactical looks like

swat 5 would make for an excellent vr game

>>389828962
Nice hyperbole faggot, where did OP say people who like siege are retard? Oh he didn't.
He asked why tactical shooters (not siege) are dead and 3 three posts later some siegefag shows up to autistically defend and shill his game.

>>389824470
I legit hate SWAT 4's scoring system. It's the dumbest thing ever, always prioritizing LTL options over lethal. There is literally no reason kit up all LTL if you're facing against fucking commandos or even an active shooter situation, but that's what you have to do to max the scorecard.

Scoring system is also too buggy penalizing you extra for shooting someone because the AI decides flee in your direction while waving around a gun but is technically "fleeing" and not a "threat."

>>389829324
>ignoring the point
>pretending this isn't /v/
>literally lying about what the OP says
Yeah, we're done here, you're as pathetic as I thought.

>>389829495
No one is complaining about siege itself you fucking faggot, they're complaining about siegefags that always come into swat threads and throw a tantrum whenever someone says their game isn't a tactical shooter
>its /v/ so shitposting is to be expected
It's faggots like you that ruined this board

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I love realistic tactical shooters!

>>389827750


So now we have to start threads and walk miles around offending anyone because you inbred retards can not contain yourselves? Congrats /v/, we really reddit now.

>>389829769
Only oldfag games like SWAT4 are allowed here *beanbags you in the dick*

>>389829831
>walk miles around offending anyone
no nigger, you are the reddit

>>389829849
>swat 4
>not swat 3
pleb

>>389829849
Oh so good!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAJsg9LlwNo

>>389830080
TACTICOOL

>>389828297
>waifu operator
these are siegefags.

>>389829990


You did not even read the post.
I think I know where you belong if you are unable to comprehend simple statements.

>>/reddit/

>>389829769
>Vegas

>>389830201
t. reddit

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>>389830231
Problem?

>>389830286
Yeah, Vegas is casualized trash.

>>389830080
why is he constantly shooting unarmed civs?

>>389830314
Oh yeah the old ones were so much better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5ewdTYQ76s

>>389830341
so he doesn't waste time restraining them
better turn them into veggies

>>389830417
>speedrun
Opinion discarded, kid

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Where my RAVEN SHIELD bros at?

I just started playing this a few days ago and I'm completely blown away. I thought I'd hate the planning mechanic but it's actually intuitive as fuck. The squad AI, while not perfect, is bested only by SWAT 3's. The level designs are extremely good, leagues above both SWAT 3 and 4. Maps are complex and large but still easy to navigate, and each map has plenty of variety in combat (short range, long range, height differences, obstacles, plenty of windows into other areas, snipers, etc.).

Very tough game though. Took me 30+ attempts just to beat the airport mission without casualties.

What's everyone's favorite mission and favorite map for Terrorist Hunt?

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>>389830473
lol git gud

>>389830561
>Says the kid posting nu-R6

>>389830561
dude not even that anon but vegas is casual shit, not saying its not fun, but don't act like its something it's not.

>>389824591
But console shooters are limited by controllers. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a tactical shooter instead of reaction and accuracy based shooters like Siege or COD?

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>>389830753
You can't handle the hardcore

>>389830497
The planning mechanic is best implemented in Raven Shield. In the previous one, it felt like doing a busy work.
In fact playing the old games now feels very dated (tried playing the first mission of Rogue Spear, I gave up)

Raven Shield, IMO, is the best example of streamlining. Maintaining the challenge, and only removing/improving the time-consuming tedious parts.

I hear Sum Of All Fears is also a good tactical shooter.

>>389830875
wow dude, nice bot kills

Had so much fucking fun with SWAT 4 when i got my GTX460 gpu

>>389830841
Have you played older "tactical" shooters on consoles? Shit's not good at all. When your ability to look and move around are so limited, your general awareness falls apart too, which in turn completely undermines the tactical part of shooters.

>>389828434
>Your thread has gone so well!
This is more replies than any SWAT 4 thread has gotten in recent memory.

>>389831662
>muh replies
great metric!

>>389830984
I would say SOAF is good as a shooter but somewhat poor as a tactical shooter.

I like the game more because it has good level design and tense close quarters action, but its tactical depth only goes as far as your capacity as one player character to clear rooms. It's not comparable to games like SWAT 3 and Raven Shield where you can and should rely on use of squad AI to overcome the odds.

As you probably already know, in SOAF you have no control over other NPCs other than the other two in your team (kinda like RS Vegas). The problem is that they're completely worthless in breaching rooms, so their only use is to cover your back. Enemy AI is also kind of a problem in SOAF. Their accuracy and reaction times is like Raven Shield on Elite difficulty. With how ineffective your friendly AI is and how you have to do everything on your own, it becomes unreasonable to deal with. Another issue is that flashbangs are poorly implemented in SOAF. They don't necessarily blind anyone who looks at them, rather, they only blind/stun enemies within like 5 meters of their explosion radius. There are plenty of times when you throw a flashbang into a room and enemies that you expect to be stunned aren't affected and proceed to shoot you in the face.

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I've never played a tactical shooter. What exactly defines the genre?

At least we're getting a new SWAT

Ready or not

https://youtu.be/Gd139Nin33M

>>389832838
vaporware