Why can't Sonic just exist as classic Sonic from now on?

3D sonic only exists to satisfy the bad part of sonics fanbase

>>389729224
I'm sure SEGA could manage without them.

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>>389729141
Because it can manage both at once. The Boost games with just Sonic, the Taxman games that are like the originals, and they should also find a developer that would start doing some more modern Adventure style games.

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>>389729141
I'm fine with both.

I enjoyed Mania and I'm moderately hyped for Forces. Getting rid of Modern Sonic would only piss off a lot of the fanbase and eventually people would get sick of 2D Sonic like with the New Super Mario Bros series.

I'm curious where the modern games will go next now that it doesn't have to have the classic pandering put into it anymore. They can take it where they want now without feeling like they have to please older fans.

The two types of gameplay cater to two different parts of the fanbase. If Sega stopped making 3D Sonic games they'd lose half their income. Making both 2D games (through Taxman/Stealth and crew) and 3D games (through Sonic Team themselves) is a good business decision in the long run that'll keep most everyone happy.

>>389729141
because when the manchildren start dying of cancer then the series would be dead instantly because you decided to focus exclusively on the nostalgia of the MTV generation

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>>389729141
I've been feeling the same to some extent for a bit now, OP, but the games with Modern Sonic do have their fanbase & taking that away is practically the same as when Classic Sonic was taken away so having both would be the best idea even though I heavily prefer the style & gameplay of the classic era games and really wish they were the main focus again.

>Sonic will never be a competent series again, so they may as well give in and become a nostalgia kick.
I don't like this idea though, nostalgia is good every once & a while but relying on it would be a poor decision. Regardless Classic can stand on his own since his games are good & fun to people, if they weren't then Mania would've probably had mediocre reception & people are begging for new zones over classic zones in this game anyways.

Which are the bad 3d sonics? I've played generations and both adventures and they were fine

>>389731689
I liked Colors a lot back when it came out. It's still probably fun for anyone today. Has one of the best 3D game OSTs as well.

>>389731689
Everything that's not classic, obviously.

>>389729141
executives are brainless animals.

GENERATIONS GOOD

MORE MORE

its a very simple concept but they'll never understand the reasons. SEGAs executives are especially braindead.

>>389729141
Sega needs to make classic Sonic its own thing but keep modern Sonic intact, same thing that was originally intended with Sonic boom.

>>389731804
>GENERATIONS GOOD
Except it wa
>>389731752
s though?

>>389729141
It's the Megaman lesson all over again. Hopefully we get our Megaman 10 and no more Street Fighter X Tekkens

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>>389729141
Sonic Mania is a big fat meme game
Why can't they make a 2D sonic with graphics and game mechanics that are up to date? It worked well with Rayman and it would actually be better than this blatant pandering that you accuse Mania of.
Mania is pandering because of its character creation but making a megadrive game in 2017 to please nostalgiafags isn't?
Miss me with that gay shit nibba

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>>389731987
Literally the whole point of Mania was supposed to be "what if Sonic was a Saturn?"

They tried to make a 2D Sonic with "modern" graphics, it's called Sonic 4. And you know how that turned out.

I don't know why people shit on the game for having sprites when the sprites in the game are some of the best sprite work ever done in a game that's not Metal Slug.

So is Forces Boost or not?

>>389732256
It's Boost but it also has Classic Sonic like in Generations and now a third gameplay style with the OC which can also have levels which team up with Modern Sonic for some boost.

>>389732256
It is.

Because "classic " sonic didn't exist before Generations.

>>389732331
>>389732342
Will we ever see Adventure-style gameplay again?

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>>389729141
>Sonic Mania has made it quite clear that this is pretty much what everyone wants.
Except it isn't. You're living in a bubble.

Sonic Mania is a $20 game, with probably 500,000 sales so far. Sonic Unleashed and Generations retailed for $60, and have each sold over 5 million copies. Sonic Forces will sell similar numbers.

Let me put that into a graph for you. Here's how profitable Forces will be compared to the little retro sidescroller /v/ is so obsessed with. This is to scale, not exaggerated.

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>>389732497
I seriously doubt it.

With the disaster that was 06 Sonic Team likely has huge cold feet for anything resembling the Adventure Format, and the fan's huge expectations could never feasibly be met.

>>389732497
Maybe if Adventure gets a team dedicated to learn how it worked & are willing to develop it like Mania did, sure. But I highly doubt this will happen for a very long time.

>>389732598
Forces isn't going to be 60$ though, it's 40.
Second, you know for a god damn fact that Mania is going to be more critically praised than Forces will be regardless of it's quality purely because it's not a classic game.

>I-It'll still sell more though!
06 sold a shit-ton and was a critical bomb, and Sonic Team hasn't touched anything remotely similar to it with a ten-foot pole because of it.

>>389732598
This is just pulling numbers out of your ass on a whole new level, congratulations anon

>>389732807
Critics don't matter. As long as Forces isn't shit, millions of kids will want to play it.

>>389732893
99% of statistics are made up on the spot. Why are you singling out me?

>>389732975
>99% of statistics are made up on the spot. Why are you singling out me?

It was the chart

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>>389732598
>This is to scale, not exaggerated.
There isnt even a key, you'll have to wake up yesterday in order to trick me anon.

>>389731987
Mania is arguably a more visually appealing game than Rayman Origins.

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>>389733012
I'm sorry. Here, have a Venn diagram. Maybe it's more to your liking.

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>>389732975
Critics matter to SEGA and Sonic Team though.

I guaran-fucking-tee you that the only reason Forces brought back the Boost gameplay was because of critics and fans shitting hard on Lost World. Otherwise Sonic Team would have made yet another half-baked gimmick.

I really don't want Forces to fail because it's honestly exactly what I wanted after Generations, but a lot of people haven't been happy with what's been shown off so if the game turns out to be shit or even just mediocre Sonic Team will immediately go back to the drawing board.

>>389732598
Have you factored in budget?

>>389733265
Maybe a pie chart would be more efficient

Reminder:
http://www.siliconera.com/2017/07/06/sonic-manias-reception-will-help-sega-figure-direction-future-sonic-titles/

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>>389733265
>That tiny amount of people that'll buy Forces and Mania
A more appropriate diagram would have Mania being nearly engulfed by Forces.

Because Nostalgia pandering isn't sustainable or enjoyable. Look at the "new super Mario bros" series
Plus, believe it or not Modern Sonic has fans. Probably more than classic. Forces will probably be the best selling Sonic game of all time with the character creation shit

>>389732598
>Forces had to have a budget that covered nearly a 6 fucking year development cycle for a large team of people and will have a bigger advertising budget while being sold at $40
>Mania probably had a budget of barely anything while it had jack shit for advertising where it sold on word of mouth and social media.

Mania is going to easily outperform Forces.

>>389733291
Just fine tune the Adventure style. Every Adventure game was rushed and hardly tested, imagine what they could do with their current team and time.

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>3D boost levels directed by Sonic Team
>2D classic levels directed by Mania team
>12 completely original zones
>no story, no gimmicks, no padding

It would be perfect.

>>389732497
I just want the Chao garden back. If it's an Adventure style, boost or even 2D style game doesn't matter to me. As long as the Chao garden is similar to Adventure.

>>389733639
You're delusional. There's a reason why Sonic has survived so long despite poor critical reception. Forces will be THE best selling Sonic game of all time. It'll probably get a fucking 78 on Metacritic but that wont stop people from buying it so they can make their oc real

Why is sonic such a flawed concept ?

>>389733895
He was never good

>>389733895
He was artificially created to be competition to another mascot. There was no love or passion in his conception. Methodical, cold, pure capitalism given form. That is Sonic.

>>389733823
>>no story
A lot would bitch about that probably, a lot of the 3D fans generally want a story & even Classicfags would want a nice simple one at the very least since 3&K did it so well.

>>389733830
I feel exactly the same way.

>>389729141

Our only hope was for Forces to bomb and Mania to sell gangbusters, but since they're catering to the absolute lowest common denominator with Forces, I'm afraid it'll sell well enough so they'll keep producing more fucking garbage like that.

>>389733985
>sonic is a liberal who hates fascism and control
>was created to sell products
Pottery

>>389733854
>Forces will be THE best selling Sonic game of all time

Aiming a bit high there anon. Nothing new for the series is going to top the genesis games in sales. Also you're overestimating how big the deviantart crowd even is. If anything those would be the type of people to buy both Mania and Forces from how obsessed they are with the series.

>>389733985
>He was artificially created to be competition to other arcade games. There was no love or passion in his conception. Methodical, cold, pure capitalism given form. That is Mario.

>>389734163
>Nothing new for the series is going to top the genesis games in sales.
An open world Sonic game that looks like the CD intro and classic game backgrounds would.

>>389734163
No. They hate Mania. A buddy of mine from when i was a teen is obsessed with modern Sonic, Nintendo, and apple products. He owns every amiibos conceivable, every version of hardware Nintendo has ever released, gets every new product apple releases, and thinks classic Sonic gameplay is shit.

>>389734209
Nah Mario was made because they couldn't use Popeye.

>>389733985
>He was created to be competition to another mascot.
True.
>There was no love or passion in his conception.
False. A lot of love went into it.
>Methodical, cold, pure capitalism
Also true.

None of these things are mutually exclusive.

>>389733727
No. Fuck that. I just want Sonic's story.

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>>389733313
why spend a quarter for $1 when you can spend $10 for $100.

>>389733985
>There was no love or passion in his conception

Nothing about Sonic 1 feels soulless. Even Sonic Jam's museum seems to be unironically proud of the guy despite it being right in the middle of the SoJ/SoA rift.

Where did it go so wrong?

>>389732651
Well there was the disaster that was Sonic 4 yet we still got Mania. And the soon to be disaster that is Forces. Sega is well aware there's a demand for the Adventure style of games. If Forces underperforms I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Sonic game close to that style. I doubt they'd call it Adventure 3 though.

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My answer: Storyfags and kids born in 1999-2004 hate the 2D games and want to keep the 3D aspect of Sonic. Case in point, >>389732598

Their logic is 3D makes for a bigger and better game, when it's good gameplay and design that make a better game. I'd be all down for nothing but Mania-like games, provided they don't just use it as a nostalgia wagon and do all original stuff with it, to some extent.

Sonic Team has no idea what it's doing with the IP for over a decade now, just cut it loose.

>>389729141
no fuck off. I want adventure 3 with a chao garden and mobile app like the vmu/gba chao garden connections.

>>389736693
06 was SA3

>>389736743
06 was 06

>>389736693
You want that but repeat after me: "I trust SEGA with making a 3d sonic adventure game without ruining it" do that until you understand why you are wrong.

>>389736693
Sonic Adventure 3 is Sonic 06 and that game wasn't that bad. It was quite good.

>>389737051
lol

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>>389737051
>Sonic 06 and that game wasn't that bad. It was quite good.
I never played '06 but it's weird as fuck how I keep seeing opinions like this the past year after seeing it shat on for over 10 years.

>>389736893
colors and generations were fine. lost world was a 6-7/10 experiment. boom is a setback sure, but that probably had something to do with being a wiiu exclusive. 3d sonic is not terrible like autists make it out to be. As long as they continue with the design of generations, 3d sonic will be fine (though I'd prefer less/no boostshit)

>>389737194
contrarians being contrariaan

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>>389737051
I don't understand what adventurecucks hate about Sonic 06. it's the exact same formula and clunky gameplay. different characters with different stories. edgy plot. shitty controls. shitty graphics. shitty physics.

I played sonic adventure and 06 and they feel exactly the same. is it because it isn't part of your nostalgia? just proves the adventure gameplay was no good.

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>>389737552
Delete this.

>>389737552
>if Sonic was a Kirby character
Now do Kirby as a Sonic character

>>389737289
SA2 didn't have loading screens halfway through stages, or switching characters midway

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>>389737643

>>389737652
The Adventure games also had considerably less loading times, glitches and bugs, even the Japanese release of Adventure 1 wasn't as buggy.

>>389737652
>SA2 didn't have loading screens halfway through stages
SA1 did load in the middle of stages, although it didn't take nearly as long.

What are the odds Sega reaches out to the Utopia team once Forces flops?

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>>389737289
This feels like awful bait.


The Adventure Games are practically nothing alike with 06. The Adventure Games actually controlled decently well, far better than Boost, the story was far better in the Adventure Games, arguably the best stories in the series. 06 literally only has it's music going for it, and even then it's incredibly lackluster compared to the rest of the series.

And before you call me an avdenturecuck, I hadn't played either of those games until just last year, and I had fun with them both despite some flaws.

I honestly find the hate for those games incredibly unjustified. SA2 is probably my 4th favorite game in the series.

>>389737585
Why that thing gets so angry when you beat the Egg?

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>>389737643
>>389737740
>my two favorite franchises will never properly crossover
Just

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>>389737875
He's mad the whole fight if you pay attention.

>>389737552
VULNERABLE

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>>389732598
>MUH SALES!!!
Sonic 06 sold well enough to get a platinum hits re-release, and we all know that was a masterpiece.
Enjoy your 60 metacritic score dumb boostshitter.

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>>389737805
>controlled decently well
UHHH were we playing the same game? sonic felt floaty and couldn't even get half the Rings
>story far better
can't argue with someone with shitty opinions
>best stories in the series
shitty bait. forces/generations/mania/Sonic 3&K say hi.
you must have low standards. I didn't play SA1/SA2 until the HD ports were released. they were a Chore to go through. half the time the game doesn't tell you where to go. how was I supposed to know that you're supposed to put the egg thing inside that dumb cave to go into Stage 2? bad Game design.

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>>389738168
>you will never touch Taxman's hair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88EK0smgdw0
LITERALLY a straight line. Defend this.

>>389738186
>Floaty
He was floaty in the air in Classic Sonic too, this is a stupid comment.
>half the time the game doesn't tell you where to go.
And now you just seem like exactly why Sonic is a corridor game now.
You act like very linear maps are Banjo Tooie.

Stop trying to shove words into other people's mouths. Both sides of Sonic can exist and both will have their fans and detractors. Personally, I'm looking forward to Forces to see what it does with all of the concepts it's using and if it fails I'll at least get another fun trainwreck.

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>>389738186
You wanna know what bad game design is?

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>>389738407
Wrong pic

>>389738374
Not a 3Dfag but isn't Green Hill the first stage in the game? Not using this as an excuse, but in all boost games released so far, the first level is a piece of a cake, a straight line, but the last levels tend to get more complex.

>>389738389
Having lurked many Sonic threads in these years, I can argue without fail that 3D fanboys are objectively worse than 2D ones.
And honestly, this becomes even funnier when you compare the quality of 2D games vs 3D ones.

>>389738561
>Not a 3Dfag but isn't Green Hill the first stage in the game?
That would probably be City Heights.
They've shown like 6 stages and all of them are incredibly short and linear, it might get better later on in the game but I'm not expecting huge improvements.

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>>389738186
>UHHH were we playing the same game? sonic felt floaty and couldn't even get half the Rings
I guess not because I had no problem with the way Sonic controlled
>can't argue with someone with shitty opinions
Can't argue with someone who just says "w-well you just have shit opinions" instead of giving a reason reason why it's bad.
>shitty bait. forces/generations/mania/Sonic 3&K say hi.
So a game that we don't even know the fully story of, and is written by the cancerous pontac and Graff, and three games that barely have any story at all, are better? Okay.
>you must have low standards. I didn't play SA1/SA2 until the HD ports were released. they were a Chore to go through. half the time the game doesn't tell you where to go. how was I supposed to know that you're supposed to put the egg thing inside that dumb cave to go into Stage 2? bad Game design.
You sound like you need to git gud. The only trouble I had with the game was with Shadow's fight with the Biolizard. Yes, I didn't even have that much of an issue with Mad Space, even if it's still a shitty level.

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>>389738440
Wrong again.

>>389739069
t. single digit IQ retard

>>389738186
I can't really defend most of SA1's stuff now. It's pros are music, story and living up to the moniker of a "Adventure"

But I'll defend SA2 to the death. Besides Mad Space and that stupid shit with Sonic breaking into the limo of the President of the United States. That shit was retarded

>>389738186
>how was I supposed to know that you're supposed to put the egg thing inside that dumb cave to go into Stage 2? bad Game design.
HOLY SHIT TIKAL FUCKING TELLS YOU THIS.
Jesus fuck classicfags are retarded.

>>389730407
This.

>>389739202
SA1 has better levels than 2.

>>389737963
Now we need to go full circle and have someone make a Jimmy in Sonic 1 tribute hack.

>>389738835
This.

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I didn't like Sonic Mania at all. Classic Sonic just doesn't hold up anymore honestly. The shitty "git gud" difficulty, hipster graphics, no real story of any kind. Not to mention that the bulk of the content is just rehashes of the 90's stuff. I'd rather we get another high budget Adventure game.

Quick question, since when sonic became "modern sonic" ?

I think it was with the secret ring, but i'm not sure.
Some peoples say it's with 2006 but sonic 2006 look more like an adventure sonic game.

>>389739567
Not very subtle, anon

>>389739202
SA1's actually incredibly underrated. Most of the levels aside Sky Deck and Big's Sega Bass Fishing shit actually hold up just fine.

Hell, the only issue with Amy's gameplay is that her run speed's a little too slow. Aside that, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Gamma all play fine and are all pretty fun to play.

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>>389739613
Unleashed

>>389739613
Since the Dreamcast.
Deal with it.

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>>389739567
>hipster graphics

>>389739695
I like mania a lot; it's a contender for my game of the year alongside puyo puyo tetris currently; but I can't deny I would prefer a high budget adventure-style title over it.

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>>389737805
>music was lackluster

wait what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPrQOcz7h3g

>>389739158
No, he's completely right. That would normally kill a player. There's no reason to suck the player up.

I love Sonic CD, but its level design was the most schizophrenic bullshit in the entire IP.

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>>389739960
Not him but CD I'd probably the easiest game in the series. It's just bad.

>>389734226
Is there even a game that looks like CD intro? In general, not just talking about Sonic

>>389739158
>>389739960
cd is one of the best games in the franchise, but there is no way to defend making player literally go into something that looks like it would kill to fulfill an objective
now let's see an argument different than "git gud" and "retard"

>>389739960
>Standing on a squish platform intentionally makes you casual
It's one of the few sonic games where, so long as you avoid giant bouncy pads that launch you a billion miles into the air, is ACTUALLY hold-right to win.

>>389739069
wow i never knew that

how was i supposed to ever figure that out without a guide

>>389739960
Listen up, faggot, bad design is bad desing. Sonic CD is great and all but in no way you should defend its glaring flaws without looking like a dumb fanboy. Just accept the game is not perfect and read some books about level design to realize how shitty that thing is.

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Merlina best waifu

she did nothing wrong.

>>389740110
Not him but you fucking suck dude

>>389740147
>huurrr how do I get there? Oh look there's a huge pipe on top of it, maybe I shouldn't go there

>>389740171
So you have never played CD
Play the game before trying to meme it

>>389731689
the only real terrible 3d sonics where 06 and shadow the hedgehog. Heroes was adequate, and honestly felt like a precursor to the boost sonic games.

>>389740272
>Giving you a challenge and forcing you to think is now bad design
I sometimes forget I'm on /v/

>>389740196
the green pipe

>>389737652
sonic 06 was rushed to be on the 360 at launch.

>>389740368
You're right, you should definitely fuck off from /v/.

>>389740297
Shadow wasn't that terrible.

yeah it was EdGy, but the gameplay was almost like the adventure game.

And the game had a sick soundtrack.
And the egg dealer.

>>389740289
It's the easiest Sonic by far and if it weren't for Sonic 4 it would also be the worst 2D game in the series. That's including handheld games.

sonic mania is a legit GOTY contender, not gonna win it but it's top 5 games of the year for sure

best sonic game in fucking 20 years, I don't understand how fucked up mentally someone has to be to like or even prefer the 3D sonic games, they're all utter garbage, even Generations which is by far the best one of the 3D shit ones is hot garbage compared to mania

the fact that the direction in all 3D sonic games is so poor makes my skin crawl, what the fuck are these sad cucks at sega even trying to do? to make a 'cinematic feel' videogame full of ebin moments of explosions and sanic going in slow motion, what the fucking shit

>>389739851
the point of it is to explore the stage, and find the robot generator, and the metal sonic holograms.

>>389740424
I still have a sonic06 copy on my 360.

With no update whatsoever since launch.

Is this an instrument of torture?

>>389740297
Did you forget about Boom

>>389740368
>Standing in a place that kills you every other time for arbitrary reasons is a "challenge"

CD Apologists will never stop being hilarious

>>389740171
CD levels are more vertical than horizontal. You could speed through and get a good time score, but you'd miss all the emeralds and robot generators. It was more about exploration than blasting through a stage to get to the end.

>>389740509
the game can't be fixed with patches.

>>389740289
I'm really sick of stupid fucking niggers who can't handle a contrary opinion whose first move is to always accuse their arguer of not playing the game.

No, seriously, Sonic CD's level design is horse shit. There's a bunch of straight corridors EVERYWHERE. They were put there because of the past/future mechanics, so if you just ignore them, and avoid obstacles, most of the levels are just "Hold right to win."

Stop pretending that Sonic CD had good level design. It didn't.

>>389740297
Despite what I JUST said, I am more than willing to accuse people saying Shadow was bad of "not" playing it. It's like saying 06 is bad without playing it.

YES, it's bad, but that's not the point. Your opinion holds 0 merit unless you've played it. Shadow was a decent game.

>>389740470
>It's the easiest
Is that why people keep complaining about le level desing when they can't hold right to win?

>>389740519
>Double digit IQ retard can't figure out something so simple
You need to go back to Sanic 2 kid

>>389740574
Nice spacing my /r/etarded friend

>>389740518
yeah sorry, and the wii games. forgot about them. technically spinoffs though.

>>389740519
you mean leaving sonic idle for like 2 minutes without pausing. it was more of a joke.

>>389740592
People complain about the level design because they suck, not because they're hard. The levels are messy as fuck and aren't enjoyable to play through unless you have brain damage. They're pathetically easy and boring.

>>389740470
3 is the easiest 2D sonic game due to gameplay refinement from the previous two main entries.

>>389740592
>can't provide an argument and instead just sperg out

every time
it's ok you'll learn cd is a joke too eventually

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>>389740656
I'm also fucking sick of "Reddit spacing." I was typing like this since before Reddit was even a thing, it's the single most tired, ridiculous non-argument I've ever seen.

"Oh your sentences have proper spacing, punctuation, grammar, and capitalization- making an extended conversation easy to read; you must be from Reddit!"

It's not Reddit spacing, it's CORRECT spacing. Kill yourself. I'm tired of you and people like you dragging down the bottom line even further.

>>389740740
>can't provide an argument and instead just sperg out
But that's not >>389740774

>>389740574
I played shadow, it really isn't that good. I remember liking the true ending boss though.

>>389740724
Carnival Night had some semblance of a challenge, as does Big Arms unless you abuse the insta-shield. CD has nothing even remotely challenging.

Addiction to (you)s is not healthy, anon. Stop as long as you can, don't look like an idiot.

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>>389740807

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give me (You)s please

>>389740142
Probably.

>>389740937
Don't spend it all in one place.

>>389740883
>>389740937

>>389740272
You're supposed to follow the pipe up to it.

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Amy is fucking trash and shouldn't have been brought back after CD. She's one the weakest characters in the series and her and her shitty shipfags should be removed entirely.

Look I can post bad bait too!

The trick is that I whole-heartedly believe this.

>>389741218
It's not bait if you believe it. It's just a bad opinion.

>>389741062
Considering the stage has plenty of pipes in its walls and almost none of them has secret passages, yeah, it's still very bad level design.
Good level design would force you to go trough one of those pipes at the beginning of the game, making you realize you can do it somewhere else in the stage. But that doesn't happen in CD.
Add to that that being pressed btween two walls in Sonic games kills you and there, you have a super not-intuitive secret that has nothing to do with the skill of the player itself.
Really, it's game design 101.

>>389741284
It's bait because it's meant to attract (You)s.
Case in point.

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>>389740937
why are Sonic's eyelids cream colored? If you look in any other Canon Sonic gane... his eyelids are blue. at least for modern Sonic. WHY DID THEY CHANGE HIS EYELIDS.

>>389741218
You're right.

>>389741491
His eyelids are based on his old 1/2/3 design. This game is nothing but faithful.

>>389741491
The breed of Hedgehog typically kept as pets have very sparse hair on their face, belly, and limbs, so Sonic has a hairless face, belly, and arms to make him look more hedgehoggy. I don't know why Modern Sonic changed it to just the bottom half of his face.

>>389740297
>Sonic and the game about those nysterious rings
>that Sonic game about medieval Sonic
These just exist, yet you couldn't count them in. These were probably the worst 3D Sonic games.

>>389741639
I wish there was an option to fix a post.
Might as well kill nyself right now.
>mysterious
There.

>>389729383
If there's money to be made from it then let them carry on.

>>389741218
Great design, shit character.

I mean Amy not Eggman

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>>389741732
kns

>>389739069
he move right he move left he go up he go down he go left he go right he go down he go left he go right he go left he go down he jump right he go left and jump and he jitter and go right but cant go right :(

>>389729141

Because if 3D Sonic dies, then the idiots responsible for killing it will just move on to fucking up 2D Sonic.

>>389740431
Eh, shadow was bad; but the edgy story wasn't anything all that out of the ordinary since other platformers (Jak & Daxter, Rachet & Clank) were also doing guns at the time.

It was the heroes-style slippery controls and the upped acceleration from heroes that made that one worse than it should've been.

>>389741218
I don't agree. Amy's one of my favorite characters.

The only main sonic character I actually hate is Tails.

>>389737051
Remember when people couldn't even say this as an ironic joke?

>>389741218
Amy is a cancer infecting the Sonic series. Nack is the chemo we need.

>>389733265
Why did you put actual effort into such a worthless shitpost?

>>389742587
Ah yes, back in the days of youtube "ecelebs" shitting on sonic as an easy target for views and kids eating that shit up.

I don't really miss those days.

>>389734160
he fights an egg-shaped scientist by running through cheerios

>>389742725
>back in the days of youtube "ecelebs" shitting on sonic as an easy target for views and kids eating that shit up.

And things have changed how?

>>389734160
>implying he's anywhere on the political spectrum or cares about any system of government or culture within human societies
He just wants Eggman to leave his little animals friends alone and stop destroying nature, dude.