Number one: In 1945, corporations paid 50 percent of federal

PIG

>>389676661
>Number two: in 1900, 90 percent of Americans were self-employed

Cause most people were farmers back then

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>>389676825
Only about 40%, automation hadn't kicked off yet so it was easier to have a trade and be self employed

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>mfw paul wont talk to me in his apartment
>mfw been quicksaving only through the whole playtrough
>mfw happened two times in a row starting the game from the beginning

TERROR
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I know the commander because he's my pal.

>in HR, the Illuminati use HAARP and Panchea in conjunction under the guise of "solving Global Warming" to manipulate the weather so they can exploits its effects for power
Is this game more redpilled than we thought?

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>>389677335
Here's a picture.

>>389677187
think your game's broke or you're doing something dumb

>>389677631
You can trust me

Really though why are corporations allowed to pay so little?

Stick with the ____
____ with the ____

>>389677187
did you break the chair he was sitting on when you first visited him? the same thing happened to me, i think breaking it fucked up his AI somehow

>>389677187
Weren't you listening when he said, "WELCOME TO THE COALITION, JC. I MIGHT AS WELL START USING COKE"? Paul has been using drugs and you need to get him some help.

>>389677759
gep
gep gep

>>389677908
P A U L

>>389677697
Breaking the individual to be easier to control

OLD MEN
RUNNING THE WORLD
A NEW AGE

>>389677697
While the whole answer is incredibly long-winded and takes place over a long period of time, it can be boiled down to corporate culture and money ruling our nation. Money rules the government, and money rules the corps themselves. This is also why American CEO salaries have skyrocketed but worker wages have stagnated for decades.

I don't know when it stops, but we'll probably be dead when the whole thing goes tits up.

Why are you locked in the bathroom?

>>389677187
What a shame

>>389677572
HAARP can't manipulate weather IRL. It's a giant radio station.

>>389678493
Within the week.

>>389679908
No. Within six months.

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>>389677697
Consolidation and lobbying over the last century. Plutocrats used shady methods to work their way into the governing bodies of the western world, and since rarely anybody cares about economics outside of "how much stuff can I buy with my money and how much can I get from my job", they've basically been able to strip the power from smaller businesses subtly through economic policy. Economic policy that are pitched as "helpful to the public" ie. raising minimum wage, but in actuality continue to snuff out the chances of any small business providing serious competition for a large corporation.

And now, not only do they have control over our government, they own our media and school system as well. They aren't doing this because they want more money, they're doing it for control.

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Desperate. Your turn.

>>389681434
Desperate

>>389677187
I've had this happen to a key plot character later in the game. I had to enable cheats and spawn a second one with console commands.

A bomb's a bad choice for close range combat.

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>We'll never get a conspiracy filled, cyberpunk sci fi, action RPG like Deus Ex ever again

>>389682630
It's too bad the series is about pushing social agenda and black lives matter references now. They should just hire Ross Scott to direct a new Deus Ex game.

>>389677187
Had this too last time I played, there's some fix with cheats if you google it

>>389679967
Yes...

>>389679871
thank you for correcting the record.

>>389682770
>lets replace real conspiracies with corporate funded controversies
totally deus ex guise

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>>389682630
I was thinking, you could kinda do a STALKER-esque game with a setting where the UN took over the United States
>set in 203X where a supposedly russian/syrian/korean/whatever nuke hit the United States, UN swooped in, congress allowed the UN to have emergency powers over the US government and this has continued for a decade or so with no end in sight
>US is a 1984-esque surveillance state outside of some lawless "problem areas" where criminals and terrorists make it nearly impossible for the UN to control, the largest of which the game is set in
>wander around this problem area, basically the zone from STALKER, collecting firearms and valuable loot for cash while avoiding bandits, religous zealots, and horrible genetic experiments that the UN are testing for combat inside
>end of the game ally yourself with one of the factions
>a.) join the NSF-esque "terrorists", storm the main UN stronghold in the US, take over their nukes and find all their plans about the insidious shit they were doing
>b.) join one of the gangs and become head honcho of the whole zone
>c.) ally with the UN and finally get the zone under control
kinda stupid but just an idea I had

>>389683781
Got any proof to the contrary?

>>389684437
It's all in the numbers.

>>389684013
That's a very interesting concept that sounds like it'd be a good game. But I think everyone just really wants another game more like Deus Ex, I really just want a (proper) sequel desu

Get the hell out of here Denton

I never played this series and I'm doing a chronological run, so I'll start with HR (it's the first in the timeline right ?). I wanted to know if Invisible Wars is worth it

I like to pick my nose

>>389685869
It's not as good as the other 3 but still worth playing simply as a continuation to the originals story

>>389684013
If it was a cross between Fallout, Dude Sex and STALKER I could see it working, but like the other anon said, it'd have to be a new IP, and a lot of people just want more Dude Sex.

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Laugh it up Denton

>>389686141
>a cross between Fallout, Dude Sex and STALKER
This is my wet dream

>>389686141
>>389686517
That would be fucking amazing, somebody get on this

>>389682770
I understand that people get annoyed with agendas being pushed but desu I think there would eventually be an aug lives matter if it becomes widespread. There's already backlash and people talking like it's the end of the world with the uncommon practice of people getting chip implants.

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>icarus is real
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjRyHgF8hx8

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>>389682770
>>389686659
I think DX:MD handles anti aug sentiments too simply, it needed more nuance, and the game needed to be double the length as well that would have helped.

>>389686659
what agendas do they push? i ask because im a dirty wageslave too busy/lazy to check things but all i remember about the latest Dude Sex game is the 'aug lives matter' thing and the horrendous DLC/in game purchases that DE:MD had

Why was it okay for Deus Ex to name the jew?

>>389677697
Because if you increase it, they'll move somewhere else.

>>389687095
Yeah a lot of it did feel ham-fisted, my point was just that people think it's only supposed to be supporting black lives matter and not just creating a parallel that could really happen

>>389687182
I haven't played for a while and didn't think about that stuff too much when I did, but I keep seeing people complaining about "aug lives matter" just being the devs giving support to BLM. Just wanted to hopefully let them know about actual backlash that's happening now against people getting chip implants.

>>389676661
Don't you get it? It was a foretelling of now. A sleazy guy using strawman arguments to lure you into believing him. He starts off with facts and then delves into complete nonsense.

>>389682770
Soothe your aching butt, guy. If you let such tiny things ruin entire games for you, pretty soon you'll have nothing left.

>>389687610
+5 credits have been placed into your UNATCO bank account!

>>389687558
i just thought the "aug lives matter" was a free marketing point comparing "social unrest today" to "social unrest future this time with robot people"

opposed to the devs actually giving credence to black lives matter

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>>389678493

>>389687885
WARNING

WARNING

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>WE GOT A BOGEY

>>389688108
I GOTTA BOOGIE
NO IDEA

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Is he unirioncally the greatest video game protagonist of all time?

>>389687851
We take care of our people around here

>>389688247
Probably shitposting, but I just really want to respond seriously.

It feels kinda like cheating to have a guy who's basically just a deadpan loose cannon as someone deserving of a "best protagonist" label. He's certainly a great one, what with all his dialogue, but I can't say he'll ever be the best. My benchmark for good protagonists is always gonna be Shulk, sadly.

arent these the games made by that low test beta cuck liberal?

>>389676661
We're 100% black.

>>389685869
Play them in release order.

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>>389687472
Not if you ban their products from your country if they do that.

>>389688781
Don't do this. The first one is shit if you didn't grow up with it.

>>389688660
get the hell out of here denton

>>389689002
I played Deus Ex for the first time last month and loved it, you're talking shit

NUMBER ONE

>>389682770
But the augs were legit terrorists at points. I like the Jensen vs Illuminati stuff more, but they did an ok job with the augs vs humans story.

THAT'S UNATCO

By the time I'm near my death bed the Earth's population will be around 13-15 billion. It's fucking guaranteed that the next black plague styled super virus will wipe us out.

The economy will be great afterwards.

>>389689002
Fuck off cuck.

Deus Ex is a glorified FPS with a few stealth elements and is not a real RPG.

>>389688660
Ah yes. The one low test beta cuck liberal what makes all them games.

>>389688965

That kind of protectionism as a rule disincentivises further investment from multinationals, as they always want to keep their options open. Companies will not see your country as a safe bet for investment anymore.

>>389689494
Yes, deprive your country of products and services on top of jobs and tax revenue.

>>389680254

I wouldn't even say shady methods. It's just the way democracy works. Lobbies will always exist in government. It's the fucking plague of any attempt by humans at organizing anything resembling democracy.

Long term it always turns into oligarchy again.

>>389689572
Shit, meant to quote >>389688965

>>389689121
>>389689304
Well I've played it on three separate occasions and couldn't stand how boring it is.

>>389689753
That's because you're 12 years old, it has nothing to do with the game.

>>3896898
But I like Morrowind. Deus Ex is just a worse version of that for exploration and a worse version of half life for shooting.

>>389689372
How can you ignore the world, characters and interactions in the game?
It's what makes 80% of it
Just because it isn't a traditional pen and paper inspired CRPG doesn't mean it isn't a roleplaying game.
If you were talking about System Shock you'd be correct, but not Deus Ex.

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>>389690589
>dialogue makes it an RPG
>despite the fact that nothing you say or do actually matters and the only real choice you have is at the very end

>>389684838
You have five seconds to talk before I add you to the list of NSF casualties

>>389688660
Oh yes.

>>389690589
>How can you ignore the world, characters and interactions in the game?

I find it boring to play in a fundamental level.

>>389677697
A long time ago, the Supreme Court ruled that donating money to a politician's election campaign was a form of free speech, and couldn't be restricted. Things have been shit ever since.

Also, it's perfectly legal to bribe a congressman, because Congress make the laws that decide what constitutes bribery. It is extremely common for large corporations to send politicians Super Bowl box tickets, for example.

>>389677697
jews own every facet of society

>>389677697
Because money wins elections.

>>389682770
the series is dead now lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEZ54m5n8Co&ab_channel=mKaelus

>>389690381
I always think about going exploring in Morrowind and having fun but I get bored with it pretty quickly. The dungeons get repetitive, a lot of the side quests are filler content, there's a lot of empty landscape with nothing but stuff like cliff racers which sucks. I like exploring in Deus Ex more, and the augmentations/stealth make it different from HL.

>>389684013
hi anon I am stealing your idea except it will be a crappy mobile game with bad english and microtransactions

>>389691093
That's got nothing to do with my post
>>389690935
>MUH DEEP MEANINGFUL CHOICE
Is this your criteria for a roleplaying game?
Playing an established character doesn't not make it a role playing game, even Fallout had pre-made characters for the player to insert as.
Nowhere did I even say dialogue makes it an RPG, I said the world building, characters and world/character interactions did, as well as the multiple choices you're given for completing the same task.
There's still things people find out you can do in the first mission several playthroughs in, it's an incredibly open game.

>>389689572
They won't fucking leave if they lose 300 million customers. America has the clought to do it.

>>389687874
Didn't they say they came up with aug lives matter before BLM took off?

>>389692384
>even Fallout had pre-made characters for the player to insert as.
I'm gonna stop you right there and tell you to shut the fuck up, because this never was the case until bethesda got a hold of the series. You got a minor backstory that easily works as a blank slate, meanwhile JC clearly has an established personality and character.

>>389692259
See that's how I feel about Deus Ex. The world feels incredibly sparse but levels are big for no reason and you move so obnoxiously slow for an fps.

>>389692531
Even if every politician had a stroke and managed to agree on it, the companies would either just pay them off or find some weird fucking loopholes to keep the customers while also being technically in another country. It's not like they even care for taxes, they'd just find some offshore black hole to dump all the trillions.

>>389676661
Number one: That's terror
Number two: That's terror

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https://playthroughline.com/scripts/deus-ex-invisible-war

i liked invisible war

>>389692921
>and you move so obnoxiously slow for an fps.
I never really had a problem with the move speed, but that issue is worse in Morrowind especially because of stamina loss while running.

>>389692865
>JC clearly has an established personality and character
Not really, you can kiss ass or be an absolute cunt from the offset
Depending on your decision on liberty island JC is nonchalant about killing a surrendered prisoner or shows signs of sympathy towards the NSF before Paul sways him.
A valid criticism is the inability to remain with UNATCO and being forced into joining Paul, existing voice lines evidence this to a time constraint but the problem is still present so fair enough.

>>389693425
And yet when you start talking to Morpheus and Political Bartender, JC starts mouthing off with his own political beliefs that are complete independent of any input you've made

>>389693425
I believe there's still some shit about JC's personality that are beyond all player control like his firm belief in democracy and the UN, serving the common good, danger of surveillance etc

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You give pic related lemon-lime instead of orange soda and he discovers your plot.

What do?

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>>389687885
That picture will never not be funny.

>>389688247
Sure. But as long as it's not the Invisible War version.

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>>389693818
Laputan Machine

>>389693818
Sticks and stones

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I refuse to believe there is a secret cabal out there that controls everything.
I mean you have people fighting each other over a damn cartoon frog.

How am I supposed to believe that the world's richest and greediest people are somehow working together without constantly backstabbing each other?

>>389693651
>>389693727
Yeah this I'd have to agree with, it felt jarring to say the least.
I still don't think it detracts enough from the roleplaying elements to not label it as such

>>389694090
The only thing more entertaining than Trump as the Yank president. Was the stupid amount of fellow-kids crap Hillary Clinton was doing in the lead up to the elections.

>>389694090
When you're rich and powerful and the agenda you're working towards is "keep me rich and powerful" what, exactly, are you going to fight over?

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>>389694189
I don't think it's detrimental
It makes JC undeniably JC no matter what the player does

>>389694090
>the world's richest and greediest people
Are all blood related or at least close in one way or another, there's no reason for them to be against each other

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>>389694090
Because that's what they want you to think

We're 100% black

>>389694576
I still think this could have been with the inclusion of more choice though, he wouldn't have to lose his personality.
I see where you're coming from though, also nice gif.

>>389694741
Me too

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>>389694612
>family members never backstab each other
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brookings-now/2013/12/20/the-family-relationships-that-couldnt-stop-world-war-i/

>>389694090
Why attack each other when you're all involved in some way or another. Backstab one guy and fifty of the most powerful people on the planet, through a web of connections, relations, come after you.

>>389694860
I really doubt the cousins harbored genuine vitriol towards one another during wartime

>>389694090
>there couldn't be a group of incredibly rich people that share a common goal
Yeah, that could never happen1 It's not like the Bilderberg Group exists or something.

>>389695037
From what I remember, Wilhem actually delayed for as long as he could, trying to convince his cousin that what was to come wasn't necessary.
Obviously not as simplistic as this but I think it was part of the story. So at least one of them had care for the other.

>>389693134
Robotic OLDMAN detected

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>>389694576
>no matter what the player does

>I electrocuted a child and threw his body into the canal to drown before I came in here, so let me tell you what I think of democracy

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>>389676661

Watch this deus ex anime if you like the finer things in life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJo3jdtcjWE

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>>389693913
IW version has he best line in the series...

>>389676661
>alas, poor yorick.jpg

>>389682630
If my career is successful enough over the next few years, I plan on funding a small-budget spiritual successor to the original Deus Ex. I don't know, desu, if it'll sell - I mainly just want to play it.

>>389693296
>>389693296
thank you guys. not many understand. too many can't resist even the slightest authoritative opinion.

>>389695692
My man, do your best

>>389695560
Pretty good if it wasn't for the weird fucking anatomy. The guy taking a piss has legs twice as big as his torso, arms reaching to his knees. Gunther has tumors in his arms.

This isn't a training exercise, JC

>>389695810
its A E S T H E T I C

>>389695692
anything even approaching deus ex would be pretty ambitious

>>389695692
Best of luck.

>>389677856
>Paul's body was a puppet the whole time
>his sentience has been downloaded into the chair for preservation

>>389695879
I am aware of this. However, when DX was made, a lot of stuff that's now off-the-shelf and/or much cheaper to have produced simply wasn't around (all the way to game engines).

Bear in mind, my end result isn't going to be DX1 + DX:MD production values. That's just impossible. It'll either use a retro-ish-aesthetic, or be a relatively lo-fi game. I also flirted with it being 2D, but I'm not convinced one can capture the feel of DX without it being first-person 3D.

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>>389696281
I think you could capture the tone with something like Flashback but feature a hub world system

>>389680254
If plutocrats control the country and they want minimum wage to increase in order to snuff out small business, why is that the opposite of what's happening? Instead workers' wages stagnate while executive pay packets skyrocket.

The population is constantly growing and automation and efficiency improvements means there's more people but fewer positions. Otherwise qualified people have to take low-paying unskilled jobs, sometimes having to take more than one or rely on welfare in order to make ends meet. Supply of labour far outstrips demand and wages are held down accordingly. Protections like minimum wage are practically the only things keeping people from signing up for indentured servitude. Although even that isn't far off the mark as many people with nowhere left to turn end up joining the military. Which is very beneficial for the oligarchs since it gives them a constant supply of bodies to help control their interests abroad.

A lot of the time I feel that humanity is hopeless. No matter how well-intentioned or carefully designed a society is, it never lasts. It is always eventually subverted by greedy sociopaths who have no qualms about making others suffer for their own gain. But people are so easily exploited and controlled, it's almost like it's the natural order of things. If only Helios really existed.

>>389682770
Mankind Divided was so heavy handed with its social commentary. It really made the game so unenjoyable.

>>389696907
What was he shooting at? God?

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>>389697117

>>389676661
>Number one: In 1945, corporations paid 50 percent of federal taxes.
Yeah and prior to the depression they paid basically all taxes because the idea of a tax on anyone but the rich wasn't a thing in America.

>>389696941
The opposite happening? Minimum wage in population centers is going up all the time, and this has resulted in jobless people who's work aren't worth $12 an hour in the company's eye having to rely heavily on the welfare systems.

Think about it. Why would massive companies consolidate behind a Democrat politician who wishes to impose more extensive taxation and higher pay for workers on all businesses? Because they can afford to take the hit. Small business owners, aka their competitors, can't. This is that "taking away control subtly through taxes" the NSF leader was talking about. Competition is healthy and supplements freedom. If you control a monopoly on an important product, you control people's lives.

>>389682630
There was Invisible War, but it got kinda wierd at some points and forgot to be an RPG

>>389688247
No, because he really isn't that much of a character. He speaks in intentional monotone not because it's his character, but because Spector thought it would make the player more easily self-insert as Denton

>>389689494
The thing is people act like America was always this way. Many Americans (conservatives and old-school liberals, mostly) will insist that the United States has always been a country committed to free enterprise and that restraints on trade are unconstitutional, if not socialistic. Funny, that didn't stop the U.S. from being one of the most rabidly protectionist economies on the face of the earth until well into the twentieth century. It was not until 1944, at the Bretton Woods economic summit in New Hampshire, that the U.S. (along with most other countries) finally committed itself to the principle of free trade. Prior to that, high tariffs were as American as apple pie, while free trade was something the hated British practiced.

>>389676661
>powerful governments are oppressive
>why won't they become more powerful by taxing the rich!

>>389698889
retard

>>389698740
This. I think free trade is a good thing as long as it's happening within the borders of the United States. Otherwise, it usually fucks us over.

>Muh illerminaty
I want some real hardcore tinfoil shit in a video game. Go full crazy with it, bohemian grove,haarp,solar warden,reptilians,mark of the beast, dulce base, Cia funded clone agents. Illuminati shit feels too normie now.

>>389678854
Maybe you should try getting a job.

>>389699080
That's not what free trade refers to, it refers to internationally.

>>389699282
Free market. You know what I mean.

>>389692531
No, it doesn't. It would impact multinationals profits in the short term, but over time they would simply shift their market focus over to other countries.

Meanwhile the American economy would almost certainly be going down the shitter at that point if protectionism on a massive scale was ever imposed considering how used to ridiculously cheap Chinese-labor produced goods Americans have gotten.

Could you imagine if Wal-Mart left the US? Half of Middle America would be unemployed.

>>389699047
fatty

>>389695585
Just finished DX again a month or two ago, didn't plan on playing IW again but I guess I will. It has some design issues but I never hated it as much as some people did.

>>389699445
It used to be that any American company that valued other countries over the US was viewed as a 5th columnist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUOvdkmRzTE

The question is what do all these companies think is going to happen when another WW1 inevitably breaks out. Guess what, people at the time thought WW1 would never happen because there was too much internationalism and free trade binding the countries and that if a major european war would happen it would destroy everything. Which it did, nearly every major corporation in europe completely went under as a result of the war.

>>389699163
Ok, where?

Should I play the malkavian mod?

>>389697893
The small business meme parroted by republicans is so pathetic. Every multinational starts out as a small business.

At what point does a good innocent "small business" become a faceless corporation? When it becomes "too successful."

>>389699605
Used to. Nowadays any multinational doesn't really have a country, they have a HQ wherever is more profitable and will move away if needed. They hold more power over the government than the government over them.

>>389700542
Not true, especially in companies that basically only hire people of their own nationalty/ethnic group. I think you HAVE to be Italian to work for Ferrari.

>>389700421
Wow, you're right. A small business could theoretically become successful and become a theoretical corporation. This revelation really contributes to the conversation.

>>389700654
I highly doubt that. They have offices all around the world, only hiring italians would be detrimental to them.

>>389700804
It's certainly the case in Italy, and before you say "duh, it's a country full of Italians", there's a lot of immigrants there too.

>>389677697
Marx explained it. The "top 1%" get most of their wealth and income from captial gains. The other 99% from income. Even the CEO of Goldman Sachs is paid just ~10m cash every year. Investments and wealth grow exponentially.

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>>389677697
Tax havens.

>>389694090
>the world's richest and greediest people are somehow working together without constantly backstabbing each other
You're not. Not even the game believes that since the Illuminati organization has been disbanded by the time the game takes place due to internal disputes and secret assassinations and have been replaced by 2 people running the entire world.

Feels like a lot of it could be solved if taking money as a politician was punishable by life imprisonment or death. And to prevent a conflict of interest it's investigated and conducted by a third party who has the power of judge jury and executioner

>>389701408
That's just begging for a Judge Dredd scenario to happen.

>>389698889
In a capitalist society, money = power. "Government" and "the rich" are one and the same. Shifting tax burden is just a means of consolidating power.

>>389689494
Fuck 'em. What are they providing that the people could not? If they're barely paying tax as is, barely contributing, let them leave and have the real citizens take over.

>>389697893
Spoilers: Most people on welfare have jobs. They just pay so poorly the worker can't support themselves. Minimum wage increases because of inflation. If you actually adjust for it, comparing buying power, wage growth is flat or even negative, particularly when you consider all the costs which have outpaced inflation such as housing and tuition.

Big companies do not need to raise wages to extinguish competition, they can do that themselves easily, keeping prices lower than smaller businesses can afford to compete with. It's not the wages that small businesses can't compete with. It's the massive advertising budgets, the giant supply networks that let them exploit outsourcing to its fullest, the superior technology which keeps their costs down.

Law favours big business and their vast resources, which isn't surprising since they are the law's co-authors. They'd love it if they could throw out minimum wage altogether, since they could replace expensive automation with sweatshops. In fact, they already do. They just do it in other countries like China and India. You might argue that China prospers for this reason, and it's true. Just not the actual workers.

Why support a politician running on higher wages and increased corporate taxation? Because they already own that politician. It's all just a show and dance to get elected. In reality nothing changes.

>>389701408
No system is perfect. People always find a way to abuse it, control it, lean it towards its own goals. Just the idea of giving anyone full control over something like this is dangerous. They could have their identifies hidden but someone would figure it out and suddenly have a personal death squadron on their hands.

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>>389701551
That's the idea

>>389701687
>system is perfect
>people always find a way to abuse it
That's like saying a game is perfect just because players have been able to break it and skipping most of it's levels

>>389701687
But what if we give it to an AI?
Instead of mayors and presidents we'd have computers doing all the work

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNUNx319UCM

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>>389701971
Let's see if Google actually creates an AI and they follow through with their Don't be Evil thing.
We are the birth of cyberpunk.

>>389701686
>Spoilers: Most people on welfare have jobs. They just pay so poorly the worker can't support themselves.

And as someone who tried to get on welfare and failed, I should note it's actually far harder than people seem to think it is. I can't say it's because I'm white, because there's plenty of poor whites in the rural south on welfare. Maybe it was just easier back in the day, but I've been denied at least twice. Getting on disability is even harder. Only thing they give you easily is Medicaid, because by law you HAVE to have health insurance, and if you can't afford a plan then they put you on Medicaid. And as a beneficiary it has convinced me that the system would be a lot better if everyone had something like it instead of private because I'm covered far better under it than I was back when I had a job and private insurance.

>Tong's plan shits the bed
>French negro rebel goes full Illuminati
>killing all faction leaders ends the world in a nuclear holocaust
Were the Invisible War devs biased, or is it just me?

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>>389677187
The same thing happened to me
What you have to do is cheat and use the"summon pauldenton" command in the say menu, and spawn him in the BEDROOM of the apartment. Then go and touch his chair and the convo should start.
It took me a while to get this too.
The only long term problem is that your save file will be forever tained with "cheats enabled" on the splash screen

>>389701971
Forgot to add
>hacking
The issue with AI, other than it becoming HAL, is that we'll, like everything else, over rely on it. So hack the system, rule the world. Or just a virus/something that outright kills the AI.

>>389702010
This is remarkably impressive.

>>389702105
>Wow, you guys do a bunch of simultaneously awesome and shady stuff, why should people trust you?
>Hehe, company policy! Don't be evil!

>>389702105
We're already in cyberpunk, corporations control everything. We just skipped the neo-japan look.

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>>389702472
>Focus on the Doodles!
>Aren't they fun!
>We're all friends
>I RULE YOUR LIFE
>Today is Marie Curie's birthday!

>>389701408
People find ways to subvert the system no matter what. Oh, I can't give this politician money? I'll give it to their family instead. Can't do that? Give them all extravagant gifts or cushy jobs instead. No go? How about I'll just secretly employ a bunch of people to support their campaign. Even a "virtuous" politician can be bought by aiding their constituency. "Consider my proposal and we'll open a store in your city and hire locals."

You can never completely remove the influence of money. Over time the ones with the money can mold the system to their ideals, into one which supports and protects them at the expense of others and at that point it's game over for the masses.

Giving huge power to a small group like that just expedites the situation and often leads to tyranny. This person has the absolute authority to decide who is corrupt or not? Guess where all the money/support is going. The huge, lumbering system of checks and balances seems inefficient but it's completely necessary. America may be in a shitty situation, but it's still far from as bad as it could be.

I agree that there should be anti-corruption laws though, just sensible ones that aren't wide open to abuse. But you might as well be asking congress to vote to cut off their own legs.

>>389677697
corps pay few taxes by law
who makes the laws: government entities
why did those entities decide this for corps?
they got moneracy compensation of some kind from the corps or from those who own the corps

So even if a system is democratic, the system can fail to be transparent and lawful because it can be modified through outside sources (rich dudes who own corps who are outside the system but who can influence the system through their corps)

A mallet of a man. He is a colleague, not so slow-witted as one might think, effective. The administration speak of his inferiority complex, but this talk is never brought to him. He doesn't mind. The less he has to do with psychologists the better. They evaluated him when he joined up, they thought him fit for duty. That was sixteen years ago. Mechanically augmented, his modifications give him great strength but make him a horror to behold. A high price, but he pays it gladly. All for the agency.

But, the Dentons. Paul and JC begin working alongside him, nano-augmented agents whose microscopic modifications render them indistinguishable from the public at large, and the seed of doubt is sprouted. He may be replaced, disassembled to make room for more Nano-Augs. He realizes, if he had waited to become an agent, he might not have had to do these awful things. Had he waited, he might've been a candidate for nano-augmentation, and not become a "mech", a "freak".

He could even have chosen an entirely different path, never leaving that farm in Graubunden, never giving up his dear Nadia. He could have been felling trees outside of Sils im Engaden, working hard from dawn to dusk, and then going home to a roast beast and a drink. He can almost taste the wine slipping down his throat, a Grisons, taking refuge within him to warm his bones.

>>389702901
But that was ages ago, another time. Now is the hour of lubricated servos and flourescent lights, of orange soda and soy food. Of cold. His life is no longer his, he is part of something else. He soldiers forward, what were once his feet now nothing but fusion between steel and boot. He never stumbles, not once. He does his best to fight, but there is no place for his flamethrower or his plasma rifle anymore. Things are more subtle now, more surgical. He cannot use a stealth pistol, his fingers are too large and stiff, like frozen sausages. Why is it always so cold here?

People move away from him, turn away, fall away. Joseph Manderley, his supervisor; Private Lloyd, just a boy; Anna Navarre, pale Anna, the best approximation of a kindred spirit, borne away under the rocks of man. A dank catacomb in Paris. How is it still so cold? The niter clogs what is left of his lungs. A word, and he flies to pieces. How did it come to this? The dark: one thought, a memory of high mountains with white cliffs, the cobblestones are cool as they meet his feet. Going home. I am not a machine.

>>389702764
>This person has the absolute authority to decide who is corrupt or not? Guess where all the money/support is going.
That's why you make it a shadowy organization that no one is entirely sure exists, and purposely spread information so that people who think it exists are seen as crazy.

>>389702764
So you're saying the only solution is to just secretly kill everyone that's rich to destroy the problem at its source

>>389677187
That happened during the gdc deus ex run by obsidiananchor

>>389702764

See this is why I could never be a politician. I've always believed in the thing Bill Hicks said where when you get into office as POTUS you're brought in a room with the 6 or so guys that control all the corporations, and then are shown the Kennedy assassination from an angle no one's ever seen before, then one says, "any questions".

If it was me elected president, I would just pull out a gun and shoot them all there.

>>389703036
So now THEY have full control, people who might/will abuse their power to become even more powerful.
We're fucking doomed. I'm going to get ready for a plague, get myself a cool jacket. a gun and die in a Denton cosplay.

>>389692296
not him, but keep your hands off

>>389703335
Or you wait until either WW3/peak oil, whichever happens first, and watch as capitalism just completely crumbles and feudalism comes back.

>>389703429
Then either a Fallout cosplay or Mad Max cosplay.
One way or the other there's going to be a massacre.

>>389702901
>>389703013
Did you just improvise that? It's well written.

>>389702124
I'm pretty fond of my own country's single-payer system. From what I see most people in countries with similar systems think the same. Higher taxes or not, it's pretty comforting to know that if you need to go to the ER, you don't have to worry about a life-ruining bill. If you're concerned about something, you just go to the doctor, you don't have to worry about if it's in the budget. If you need surgery, you don't have to worry if your policy covers you. There's still private insurance, but it basically just gives you fast access to private hospitals and cover for "extras" like the dentist or if you need new glasses.

The costs I've seen in america are ridiculous, even with insurance. Like a few days in hospital or a simple procedure like a birth is in the tens of thousands of dollars. The insurance may cover all of it but people often are still left with hundreds or thousands in co-pay, which would just never happen here.

>>389702658
We were always in cyberpunk. Gibson et al. kicked off the genre because traditional sci-fi, even the grimmer ones, tended to gloss aside human realities.

>>389703521
Nah. Feudalism is kinda shitty but it's not the end of the world. It just means that power will be extremely decentralized.

Feudalism is a wierd system because who you need to care about literally is only whoever is directly below you on the ladder and who is directly above you. The peasant answers to the lord. The lord works with the peasants and answers to the baron. The barons answer to the king and give orders to lords. Yet the lords don't concern themselves at all with what the king is doing unless the baron gives a related command.

>>389703686
>Higher taxes or not
Actually we'd probably be paying less in taxes for single-payer than what we're currently getting gouged for in private insurance. I'm not even saying make it single-payer, but at least have the public option available.

>>389703319
It's like a hydra. You can cut off the head but it'll just grow another.

>>389693296

Me too. It feels like more of a DX game than anything Squeenix has put out.

Most people don't understand that playing female Alex is key to enjoying the game. It's impossible to immerse yourself with that goofy looking male Alex with the retarded haircut and bad voice acting.

>>389704334
Well unless you go full Holodomor on their asses

>>389703618
Had it for a while I admit I swiped it from the SA forums when someone posted it on a DX thread there. The reaction from the goons when they read it was 'Holy shit!'

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>>389677697
Old Kikes running the world

>>389693991
I am not a mach....

>>389705092
But the jews did nothing wrong you racist bigot! We are the victims! REEEEEEE!

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>>389705610
Day of the rope when.

>>389698597
Spector was fucking wrong. JC has strong convictions about controversial issues, and while he is monotone, he has a very bizarre and oftentimes infantile understanding of the world that no one would ever be able to relate to.

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>>389686860
NANI

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Globalization, cheap labor, and automation are all slowly rendering working-class people irrelevant.

Once the worker has been rendered irrelevant, you will see revolt.

Especially as current population shifts show a trend towards concentrating the human population in cities, with everything else becoming irrelevant.

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>fairly intelligent political discussion in a Dude Sex thread

>>389705917
look up helios ontology

>>389695559
I love this image but the kid isn't from Hong Kong

>>389703139
Wouldn't help. Even if every rich person and all their heritors suddenly keeled over, all that wealth has to end up somewhere.

It's just human nature. There's always going to be power-hungry people, greedy people, ruthless people, cruel people. To get something you first have to want it, and so the people who crave power are typically the ones who end up IN power. There's no ideology or system which can change it. Just look at communism. Claims to be about equal distribution but always ends up producing the most tyrannical societies of all.

Really all the masses can do is use strength in numbers to try and keep the "rulers" from overreaching. But it's hard because the masses are easily manipulated. You end up with historical "cycles" where the rulers get too big for their boots, a big conflict happens, society rebuilds to a more "fair" system, and then gradually the system is changed to favour the rulers again.

>>389706323
So you're saying the only solution is to burn it all, wipe the slate clean with a technological singularity

>>389706462
Go back to your lab Tong

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When are we going to get to the cool cyber part of cyberpunk? We will get cool cyber tech right?
Right?

>>389706630
Even Tong never planned for IW's ending where the AIs finally become perfect with JC's help and actually guide humanity into a better future.

IW was oddly enough the only DE game that had good endings

>>389706462
Pretty much. Helios would actually be a pretty good thing for humanity if it worked as Deus Ex writes it.

But if we ever get to the point where soldiers and law enforcement are replaced with totally obedient robots, game fucking over for humanity.

>>389707024
>Pretty much. Helios would actually be a pretty good thing for humanity if it worked as Deus Ex writes it.
What about Daedalus?

>>389702150
Massive cuts in resources, tightening of system requirements, and lack of time to plan around these shortcomings let to IW's problems.

>>389707216
It's been a while since I played Deus Ex and I don't remember what Daedalus' deal was. I only remember him as an independent AI, I don't think he had the intention of ruling humanity.

>>389706462
No. Just try to make a good life for yourself and your loved ones. Don't take life too seriously, no one gets out anyway.

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>>389707483
>no one gets out anyway.
Man fuck you

>>389705092
A Jew Age!

>>389707216
Daedalus is just something for having fun at parties, it was never meant to run anything.

>>389707481
>It's been a while since I played Deus Ex and I don't remember what Daedalus' deal was.
A living library, basically. He was Helios's prototype.

>>389706048
>automation
Someone has to fix the robots when JC EMPs them. Get good at repairing engines, that will keep you employed most of your life.

>>389706208
The trick is to not take it too seriously. It's an anonymous imageboard, not Congress.

>>389707560
Even DeBeers gets unplugged or powered down in the end, nothing lasts forever.

>>389707623
>Daedalus is just something for having fun at parties, it was never meant to run anything.

That was Mobius who was the prototype

>>389707868
Shit, you're right.

>>389707868
>>389707892
Let me correct myself then in addressing >>389707481

Daedalus's purpose was to hunt down and destroy any organization that was deemed a threat to MJ12, in other words terrorists groups. What Page never planned for is that Daedalus determined through its actions and effects on the world, MJ12 itself was a terrorist group, so it set out to destroy its creators.

>>389707868
>Mobius
Morpheus

I enjoy cucking Page and taking Helios from him

>Helios come back, don't leave meeeeee!

>>389706832
>IW
>good endings

>Templar
>a technologically advanced faction realizes the risks of defying their human nature and instead focuses on propping up the individual with giant robots
>Illuminati
>1984 with technology that makes 1984 actually make sense
>Helios
>everyone is absorbed into a benevolent hivemind, basically The Many if The Many wasn't a complete dick
>Omar
>its the Helios Ending but with cyborgs instead of people and the world is bathed in hellfire first and the Omar actually are pretty big dicks and they are picky about who they absorb

The only fully good ending was the Templar. All the others had horrifying consequences that only a madman would want to deal with.

>>389708987
Omar is hilarious because their big "thank you" for everything you did is a discount on their shops

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>>389702010

>>389707868
>Mobius

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB_d_OEQrt4

>>389703352
fuck you anon, stealing his idea was my idea first

>>389688505
>Shulk
My nigga. Perfect voice acting, perfect motivations, acts like a real human instead of the generic 'FRIENDSHIP IS POWER' shonen protag you come to expect. Hope Rex is even at least half as good.

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>mfw Errant Signal said Deus Ex was a bad game because conspiracies are harmful and dangerous

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>>389709903
>Errant Signal

>>389709903
who cares what some dipshit e-celeb thinks

>>389707868
>>389708130
>>389709428
Its Maximus

>>389677697
Judaism

>>389709903
>Errant Signal
Inferior in every way to Ross
https://youtu.be/rxOKEsBx4NU?t=23m31s

>>389709903
whom?

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>>389706823
The major part has always been the aesthetics and situation of the world to me, I'd even say that the tech applied to humans is optional (though appreciated if done right).

On that note I really don't like the giant advertisement holograms that people seem to be using in cyberpunk lately, I hope it doesn't catch on.

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>>389703013
>orange soda