Will someone tell me how this game didn't essentially have

>>389563346
Because it was very linear. Every game after Sonic 1 (so the games that are generally thought of when people say "Classic Sonic") was about multiple paths through the level and being able to navigate them to get the most efficient path. Sonic Heroes is basically a big hallway. In fact even Sonic 1 had shortcuts and skips, Sonic Heroes has basically none. That's not to say it isn't worth a play through if you're a Sonic fan, but it doesn't have the "Classic Sonic" stage design.

File: heeros.png (36KB, 1070x498px) Image search: [Google]

36KB, 1070x498px

>>389563346

>>389564093
This is simply not true, git gud

>>389563346

If anything, the levels are more like Sonic Adventure 2 than anything else before it.

>>389564194
SHIT

ROCK

>>389563703
Sonic Heroes has levels with alternate paths though. Lost Jungle has some and Egg Fleet is fucking huge with you being able to choose multiple ships to jump to.

>>389564093
This is literally only true in Mystic Mansion and Final Fortress.

Why do people always exaggerate Heroes' flaws? It's almost like you people didn't even play the game.

>>389564194
>This is simply not true
This. It's missing the gate they're guarding and rails behind said gate.

>>389564392
Heeeugh!

>>389564194
Does getting good suddenly get rid of the copypasta level layouts?

And the plastic artsrtyle?

>>389563346

CLASSIC SONIC DIDN'T FORCE YOU TO STOP AND KILL 200 ENEMIES WITH HEALTH BARS EVERY 20 SECONDS

CLASSIC SONIC DIDN'T HAVE TERRIBLE DIALOGUE WITH TERRIBLE VOICE ACTING *CONSTANTLY* BLARING OUT OF YOUR SPEAKERS WHILE PLAYING

CLASSIC SONIC DIDN'T HAVE INVISIBLE WALLS EVERYWHERE FORCING YOU TO STICK TO A SINGLE LINEAR PATH 99% OF THE TIME

NOR DID YOU JUST FALL THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENT IF YOU MANAGED TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE PATH

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, CLASSIC SONIC HAD ACTUAL MOVEMENT PHYSICS

YOU FUCKING RETARD

and for the record, none of the above game-breaking flaws apply to Sonic Adventure 1/2.

>>389565842
Classic Sonic had invisible walls that forced you to only move in two directions.
It also has movement physics such as changing your movement radius the faster you move.

>>389564564
I remember Heroes being repetitive for relying on team gimmicks too much, in the same way from the start to the end. And combat was too simple to be main gameplay. (Just mashing one button until everyone's dead is all you do)
Still it had good spectrum of levels and even some branch paths. Much better than SA2.

Look at all those Eggman's robots

>>389563346
>no chao garden
This game will also be shit for that

>>389565842
>none of the above game-breaking flaws apply to Sonic Adventure 1/2
Why are Adventurefags so fucking delusional? Adventure 2 in particular was linear as fuck besides Final Rush. Hell, I'd say it's even more linear than Heroes.

>>389563346
It at least had one of the best crush 40 songs
https://youtu.be/RnOtW_yMmzo

At least the sound track was nice. It was worth playing through with all 4 teams just to hear that final theme. >>389567272 posted it as I was typing.

>someone tell me why this game isn't X
>people do
>LALALA YOU HATE THE GAME
not reading the thread, how close am I?

>>389564194
Gitting gud doesn't suddenly remove bullshit from levels, anon

>>389567019

Watch some speedruns if you think SA2 was even close to as linear as Heroes. City Escape is very linear, and that's why it's one of the worst levels. The fact that it's probably the most popular one in spite of this shows how retarded most players are.

>>389567272
>>389567325

One good final boss song doesn't make up for the rest of the soundtrack being unmemorable garbage.

>>389563346
Because every stage was just a floating corridoor in the sky.
Also it didn't have classic sonic stage design.

>>389567603
I didn't say anything about the rest of the soundtrack senpai

>>389566149
>Classic Sonic had invisible walls that forced you to only move in two directions.

>>389567518
Glitching through space in Crazy Gadget does not count you retard.

>>389567487
It is true though. If you git gud with Tails and use the terrain to gain flight height, you can learn how to skip almost every forced encounter in Heroes.

File: 1504561642026.jpg (165KB, 600x861px) Image search: [Google]

165KB, 600x861px

>>389564564
>Sonic Heroes has levels with alternate paths though.
Brief detours from the main path don't count as "alternate paths" though. Also, even if that was true, that doesn't change the fact that, while it certainly has its brief moments of quality, at least 80% of the game is "go forward on a thin strip of land floating over a bottomless pit". The Classic hardly ever put you in that situation and I wish people would stop pushing this meme. The only thing Heroes had in common with the Classics were some of the aesthetics and themes, and a handful of references, which I will openly give it credit for trying to do, but that's about it.

>>389566149
>Classic Sonic had invisible walls that forced you to only move in two directions.
I hope you're not seriously presenting "a 2D platformer only let you move in two directions" an actual argument.

>It also has movement physics such as changing your movement radius the faster you move.
I think what the other anon meant was "good" movement physics, because Heroes controls so poorly that it's often advisable to stay in Power formation or even Flight just so you can do basic platforming properly without slinging yourself off a ledge at any given time. And for a game where the vast majority of it is over a bottomless pit, that's a huge issue.

Listen, I like Heroes well enough for what it is, but people putting it on some weird pedestal as if it's some underrated gem is just silly. It has far too many mechanical flaws for it to ever be classified as "good". The team mechanic is interesting at first but after playing it for a while it becomes a mediocre novelty at best.

I've noticed that Heroes gets vehemently defended a lot more recently, which makes me wonder: Are we witnessing the birth of a new breed of Sonicfag? Are Heroesfags really going to be a thing now? I hope not. Adventurefags are obnoxious enough as it is, we don't need an even more annoyingly delusional variety floating around too.

File: fixed.png (65KB, 1283x604px) Image search: [Google]

65KB, 1283x604px

>>389564668

>>389568583
Heroes is Adventure-era.

>>389563346
Art desing yes (and I love this), level design fuck no.

>>389568605
Perfect.

File: 1434647466397.png (139KB, 294x256px) Image search: [Google]

139KB, 294x256px

>>389566149
>Classic Sonic had invisible walls that forced you to only move in two directions.

>>389568605
Just Team Blast, and suddenly that's not an issue anymore.

File: Heroes is for Skilled Players.png (69KB, 1283x1092px) Image search: [Google]

69KB, 1283x1092px

>>389568605
>>389568896
Heroes speedrunner here, git fucking gud faggots.

>>389564194
>he put up with final fortress

>>389569048
And Adventure 2 is a great game because you can fuck with your gravity in a very specific way and run through walls, right?

>>389569048
How did Sonic Heroes get such a dedicated speedrunning community? Like most Sonic games don't get a WIKI just for the speedrunning aspect of the game.

>>389569227
Low entry barrier.

>>389569218
I think this is intentional, the game just constantly tells you the path of least resistance.

>>389569218
>using momentum to jump over something in a Sonic game is a glitch now

>>389569510
The Mania team seems to agree, given they patched going over boss triggers.

>>389569670
Yeah but those are actual end of level bosses. They should have made sure those boss rooms couldn't be jumped over in the first place.

This is just part of the level.

>>389569670
Because they make casual Sonic games.

>WHAT GOES UP MUST COME DOWN..

File: isaac-newton-21.jpg (186KB, 900x750px) Image search: [Google]

186KB, 900x750px

>>389570563

>>389569048
That's pretty cool.

LET'S BLAST THROUGH WITH SONIC SPEED

WE COULD BE HEROES
SONIC HEROES

>>389568605
C H A O S C O N T R O L

How could you possibly hate this OST?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIgNq87PbK0

>>389572080
OKAY

SHIT ROCK YERUGH

>>389569227

It's the only Adventure-era Sonic game without cutscenes and other character's stages getting in the way of the main game.

>>389574321
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxEuKyTvXuM

I'm hearing the voices. Damn, it's been forever.

>>389574802
This theme is longer than I remember.

>>389574369
ALRI

LEAVE IT TO ME SANIC
WHOA MY HEAD IS SPINNING

LOOK AT ALL THOSE EGGMAN'S ROBOTS

of all games, this had to be one of the most quotable

>>389575441
That's the real tragedy of dropping the name Robotnik. You lose Robotnik and you also lose badnik.
TOO COOL

WORTHLESS CONSUMER MODELS
ANIHI-CHARGE

File: 8fc.gif (849KB, 360x203px) Image search: [Google]

849KB, 360x203px

>>389567518
>City Escape is one of the worst levels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw6KRkx0vNg

10/10 theme

>>389568605
>Not having Knuckles at lvl 2 and using his AOE combo finisher
>Not having Tails at lvl 2 and Thunder Shoot spamming everything in seconds
>Not using Team Blast

There are maybe two major enemies in the game that are armored, and one of them only appears in the last level of the game.

>>389566149
>Classic Sonic had invisible walls that forced you to only move in two directions
Only on /v/.

>>389578468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UtwdDjhA_4
What was it about Heroes' campy songs about teamwork and friendship that's so damn catchy?