Is it universally agreed upon that the 3DS OoT remake is

The 3D remake completely destroyed the atmosphere of the N64 version.
Just look at that sky.

There's never a universal agreement when a game like OOT gets remade. Play it for yourself and make your own opinion.

>>389547247

>1997
>not even trying
>accidentally create a convincing sky at sunrise
>2011
>actually trying this time
>can't do it despite 14 years of technological progress

Nintendo, folks.

Too bad 3DS MM retroactively ruins 3DS OoT.

No, but it's still incredible and some of the most fun I've ever had. They took too many liberties with the art for it to serve as a complete replacement. Also the game was originally designed to be played on a monitor, so some of the original feel of the game can't entirely be replicated on a handheld. Well worth playing as a Zelda on the go, but not a replacement.

>>389547113
The graininess of the original has too much charm, but I do like 3D

>>389547113
of course it is. best masterquest

the n64 graphics are fugly as hell too

>>389548031
>monitor
>not TV
The original feel can't be replicated on an emulator either.

>>389548031
>Also the game was originally designed to be played on a monitor, so some of the original feel of the game can't entirely be replicated on a handheld

Can you be more specific? What "feel"?

>>389548181
CRT monitor
>>389548420
The feeling of having a controller be outside your periphery and getting lost in a game on a big screen in front of you. Playing on a handheld vs. a monitor is just a different experience.

>>389548595
Why has nobody made a 3DS to tv adapter

>>389548595
>CRT monitor
this,fuckers allways say you cant replicate the "original feel" with emulators,but they never even try to,just remove all filters and decrease the resolution to the original then plug in a crt tv,it's a 1:1 comparison on 90% of all games on all emulators

>>389548595
>The feeling of having a controller be outside your periphery and getting lost in a game on a big screen in front of you.

Yea this is some grade-A meaningless non-criticism right here.

How long until they port the 3D remake to the Switch or something?

>>389548837
>>389548850
You guys are pretty retarded. Have you ever been to a movie theater?

>>389547998
>>389547998
>>389547998

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Why does everyone hate this?

>>389548935
I'd rather they remade it again altogether and forget about the piss poor 3DS remake.

>>389547113
Not really.
>Muh lighting
I can see why people didn't like OoT3D, even though it seems a bit nitpicky. As far as I'm concerned it's fine.


MM3D was a heap of shit though.

>>389547975
>not even trying
yeah sure man

>>389549254
I dunno but some of the visual changes are really random and feel like they were only done to distinguish the remake from the original.

>>389549254
The bosses suck and they nerfed zora swimming

>>389549254
>nerfed bosses
>nerfed save difficulty
>nerfed zora swimming
>retard moon
Name one good thing.

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>>389547113

Everything is better except all the censorship of the bottom of the well and the shadow temple. Dead Hand looks like a non-threatening jello mold and there's no blood anywhere, which really takes the teeth out of what was originally a very stark contrast to the rest of the game, and actually quite scary to boot.

>>389549889
How are you "supposed" to fight him? It always feels like I'm cheesing it. Same with Dark Link fight

>>389550090

You either let yourself get caught by a hand and then break free to attack him when he pops up OR you destroy all the hands and he pops up so you can attack him.

>>389547113
All remakes/remasters are soulless heartless cash grabs that ruin the games for the fans and lie to the new players.

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>there are people defending the 3DS version
I'll just post some screenshots so I don't need to debate

>>389550090

For Dark Link you just have to not Z-target him. Even though it's retarded because nothing in the game indicates you should do that, not even Navi, and the rest of the game teaches you that not Z-targeting is always wrong.

>>389550248
Yeah the first one is what I did
>getting myself caught on purpose
It never felt right. Did know you could kill all the hands though

>>389550431
Perfectly encompasses how bad the remake is. Look at how bright and cheery everything is.

Outside of a few nostalgiatard holdouts, yes. It's better in every single way.

>>389550431
3DS version looks better in every single way.

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>>389548595
>The feeling of having a controller be outside your periphery and getting lost in a game on a big screen in front of you. Playing on a handheld vs. a monitor is just a different experience.
This is some fucking Phil Fish tier reasoning, consider suicide

>>389550468
Never thought of that. I always ended up spamming Din's Fire on him

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>>389550632
>those red curtains

>>389550542

It's supposed to be bright and cheery. The N64 version is as bright and cheery as the hardware would allow.

The entire point is that the childhood world is bright and cheery and sunny and fantastical which is juxtaposed with Ganon's dark gloomy adult world.

>>389550468
I just crouch stab him to death.

>>389550750
As opposed to an ultra low resolution 2d texture?

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>>389548595
>The feeling of having a controller be outside your periphery and getting lost in a game on a big screen in front of you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Ch6N8QT00

>>389550784
>The N64 version is as bright and cheery as the hardware would allow
Mario 64 says hello

>>389550351
>I've never played REmake: the post

>>389550853
>higher resolution = better
You must be at least 18 years old to post here.

>>389548850
>>389550643
>>389550858
Not him but he's absolutely right, no shit playing a game on a monitor and playing a game on a handheld is a different experience, jesus christ do you idiots even play video games?

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>>389550750
>ACTUALLY FUCKING DEFEND N64 CASTLE TOWN
Nostalgiafags know no bounds

>>389550431
>censored Zelda's underage tits
A travesty

>>389551058
The 2d backgrounds in Hyrule Town looked like muddy shit even when the game first came out.
Always stood out from the rest of the environment in a bad way.

>>389549748

>Nerfed save difficulty
>On a handheld that lasts 3 hours

That was a necesary change.

>>389551069
>Play on PC
>Can still see my hands on my desk
FUCKING RUINED
>Playing in an arcade
>Can still see my hands on the cabinet
FUCKING RUINED
>Playing on the couch
>Can still see my hands because my vision isn't shit
FUCKING RUINED
Shut up, samefag.

>>389550871

No shit it's literally possible for a game to be bright dumber. Obviously I meant that it's as bright as possible within the confines of what else the game had to accomplish.

>>389550431
I mean it doesn't actually look bad, the lighting just creates a completely different atmosphere than the original, which for some people is not much of an issue. So basically it all comes down to your personal taste, since OoT is a game that doesn't really need a specific look and feel to be as good as it is, unlike say Majora's Mask.

>>389547247
I didn't ruin the atmosphere at all.

>>389550431
This looks fine

>>389550542
Are you brain damaged? Every single scene there except the one with Saria is just as bright; and the scene with saria isn't benefitted at all by being darker

>>389549748
>>389547998
>>389549254
>>389549650
>>389549651
Majora's Mask is my favorite game of all time, and i'm 2deep5u muh atmospherefag about it, MM3d's bad points are all cancelled out by it's good ones, IMO

Good:
>Much better models and textures, and improved lighting/particles that with 1 exception (great bay temple) preserve the atmosphere and for the most part still feels creepy
>Gyorg fight is better
>Doesn't make you rewatch the business scrub cutscene
>Better framerate
>Song of double time allowing you to choose specific times to fast foward to.
>Gyro arrow controls
>Fishing
>if you have a n3ds/xl, you have camera rotation/control via c nub

Neutral:
>The bombers notebook is a little less obtuse and more organic to use, but it's also a little too helpful.
>Likewise, the save system is less obtuse, but allowing you to save without it being attached to going back in timee also removes some of the stress the game is meant to invoke, but you can impose thee limit artificially anyways.
>Twinmold fight is different but not better or worse. Some people like the change, some don't.
>Bank placement is moved

Bad
>Odolwa fight was made very easy, especially with the deku mask.
>Ice arrows can't be used just anywhere anymore.
>Zora swimming less fun, which outweighs the benefit of easier control in tight spaces.
>Bombers notebook pops up automatically and takes a while to do so, is annoying
>You have to get out of rolling as goron to hit Goht, but this isn't nearrly as bad as Odolwa's change
>It's harder to use the Deku spin to go faster (super minor thing to count against it, but it's there)
>Great bay temple's atmosphere is changed due to less gritty textures and brighter lighting

>>389551341
I don't see how anyone can prefer the feel of silky smooth 20 fps.
That alone makes the 3DS version superior.

>>389548181
The original feel of being 13 you mean?

>>389551397

Thanks for this high quality response

>>389551309
>not noticing a diffrence between a little sceen and a big screen
Literally mentally handicapped

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>>389549889

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Majora's Mask is still the best Zelda game because of this scene.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laqRobnHvPU
https://youtu.be/Odt21pzD6sM?t=97

>3DS fags will defend this
(I couldn't find a better recording of the 3DS version, if you can then link it)

>>389547113
Imagine how salty speedrunners would have been if they took out the bugs.

>>389551335
Example?

>>389549889
I don't know man. I'd been ages since I played OoT when I got to this section of the game in 3D, and it still had a good impact on me. The models may not exactly have the same kind of awkward creepiness to them, but the whole dungeon and boss fight with him still have the same feeling of a complete swerve into spooky town. I don't think the lack of blurry red textures makes it any cheaper or toothless, though it's a non-benign change given the overall update to everything.

>>389551464
When I say feel I'm referring to the way the game's world is portrayed to the player, as with the original there's a much darker tone thanks to the lighting, which helps to make what's going on feel more serious and overall heightens the sense of urgency for the player. In the 3DS remake this is mostly gone, but it is replaced by much more refined visuals and better performance, and I suppose the brighter, happier-looking world can be better to some players too.

Honestly, presentation goes a very long way in making games what they are, and so many people seem to overlook this until we get the same game with different visuals like with OoT

>>389547113
>universally agreed upon
>call to majority fallacy
OP literally cannot stop sucking dicks.

>>389550431
I don't mind most of it but the lighting in the scene Saria bids Link farewell is just shameful

>>389552329
the title screen "morning" is also ruined in the 3DS remake

>>389547113
The 3ds gamea aren't remakes.

>>389553247
Yes they are.

>>389553483
No they're not. They're sequels. They take place tens of thousands of years after the N64 games, and just follow a similar course of events.

Go back and watch the scene where the Skull Kid is talking on the moon with the Happy Mask Salesman, he clearly references that this isn't the first time these events have happened. They're in a loop because at the end of the game all of humanity gets merged with Link accepting his death, and then begins again.

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>>389554059
fuck off

>>389547113
>universally agreed upon
No, brighter color for everything just for the 3d gimmick ruined the gritty and dark atmosphere of the original

>>389547113
Not really. It's good, but the lack of the original's lighting system really gives the entire experience a different feel that doesn't quite do OoT justice. Also, the censorship in select portions (under the well) equally hinders the moody atmosphere of those instances.

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>tfw the remake ruined this

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Not a chance

>>389554358
>grey and brown
What's to ruin?

>>389547247
>atmosphere
lack of lighting is not atmospheric anon

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>>389554358

>>389550750
>please everyone come play our games in this CARNIVAL EVENT
>in what building you say:?
>the boring gray one of course?
>they all boring and gray you say?
>well fuck you

>>389547113
Yea. The improved framerate, menuing, and antialiasing is worth it. The gyro controls for aiming in first person is really useful too. N64 aim sucked.

>>389547113
Yes, other than autists who cry on /v/ about the colours. It's colourful because it needs to appear on a dim handheld screen, you plebs.

>>389550431
The town market is inarguably an improvement

>>389554639
>dim handheld screen
You do realize the game is on the 3DS and not the Gameboy Advance right?

>>389550431
I feel like most of the good lighting in the original was a fluke, but it did make scenes moody in a good way.

I prefer the remake, but it would be cool if it had more shadows for fitting scenes.

>>389548850
I bet you think reading on an e-reader is the same as holding a physical book, you dumb faggot.

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>>389551397

The only truly unforgivable thing the 3DS remake of MM did was remove the rainbow staircase.

>>389550643
OOT is a game I want to play in VR. I watched a bit once and it looked fun. However, I saw Wind Waker in Dolphin VR and it blew me away. You can turn on a setting that let's the whole loaded area appear like a doll house in front of you, with Link running around like an action figure.

>>389554881
You do realize the original 3DS had a horeshit screen, yes ? Not GBA tier, but much harder to see than the New 3DS and the XL.

>>389555142
>original 3DS had a horeshit screen
I have my launch o3ds lite, screen is fine. You're confusing it with the xl ips/non ips issue

>>389554059
...........................................................................is this legit?

>>389554198
Prove him wrong asshole.

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>>389554448
>Because this color scheme was meme'd to death it can't possible have an appropiate use
(You)

>>389553483
They're remasters. It's the exact same game, it just has touched up N64 models for the 3DS. The remaster even has the exact same bugs that the original game had. 1:1. Even Nintendo calls it a remaster on the back of the box. OoT and MM 3D are not remakes because they aren't remaking all the assets on a brand new engine from the ground up.

The roughness of the original game's graphics gives it a certain charm and atmosphere that is ultimately lost due to the need to make things bright for a 3D handheld. Other then that 3DS is probably superior but you're comparing a 1998 game to a 2011 game.

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Sup anons I need some input

I'm a big OoT fan but I never finished MM.

I'm considering buying an original 3DS I found for 55$.

Is it worth it to buy a 3DS only for those 2 zelda games? Ideally I would flash the 3DS, so no game cost.

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>>389557058
Is Viper gonna make it?

>>389557192
Good memes don't die my man

>>389557058
I'd say it's worth it at that price. And there's a number of other awesome 3ds/DS games to play after.

GameCube is best.

>>389554715
When I was younger I like the way the town was like a back drop with elements of the game built into it.

>>389547113
NO.

>>389547113
That depends. Is it universally agreed upon that OoT is shit?

>retards defending technical limitations as MUH ATMOSPHERE

>>389558032
When I was younger I hated the fact that you couldn't see the town from the normal game perspective.

>>389551397
>>Ice arrows can't be used just anywhere anymore.
The more I find out about this game the shittier it gets.

>>389547247
Those aren't even the same moments in the intro you colossal retard

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>>389547113
fuck no

>>389560052
>underages defending making everything bright and Disney

>>389561843
>bright
You mean with lighting?
>Disney
No elements of disney here anon

>>389561843
this

>>389562089
Look at >>389562089 and see how they ruined the atmosphere of the Temple with those eye-scorching bright greens and pinks.

>>389562257
>added grass and flowers
>more detail instead of a blurry muddy N64 texture
>OMG RUINED FOREVER

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>>389547113
>the 1998 version has better lighting than the 2011 remake

>>389562467
>remake

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>>389562467
Why was the lighting in N64 games so good? I swear this is the main reason why they are so atmospheric.

>>389562448
>what is intricateness

>>389562467
It actually has worse lightning which is why everything so so dark and gloomy

>>389562848
Anon I really think this is a non-issue blown way out of proportion.

>>389547113
No

>>389547113
Whoever made this image couldn't even be assed to screencap the same parts of the intro. Lazy. Bad comparison that we can't gleam the truth from.

Even if the atmosphere in the original OoT was partly due to hardware limitations... how does Nintendo not see that the darker tones fit the game better than what we ended up getting in the 3DS version?
Did they perhaps change the visuals to be more bright because of the screen size and possibility of people playing outside and not being able to see jack shit with everything being dark?