>be baldurs gate player >get killed by an op enemy in a

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>be Baldur's Gate player
>wish that the game included representation for pansexual races of color that would discuss issues of racial oppression
>get Enhanced Edition

>>389507993
What is wrong with more representation for underrepresented minorities exactly?

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>>389508080
Nothing shitlord, that's why I wished for it. Also, I wish that the game had more Redditish dialogue that I could identify with. Pic related.

LMAO CHEESE

>>389507993
Yeah I noticed it too, especially in the character creation screen.

>>389506945
Most of the fights in early Baldur's Gate felt like a coin toss to me. Sometimes they'd land a magic missile, sometimes they wouldn't.

>>389508305
almost like its a dice roll

>>389508217
Holy shit, glad I told her to fuck off

>>389508348
>>389508305

There's no dice rolls for magic missiles. They always land.

>>389508080
>https://twitter.com/dez2988/status/905273633261723648

They're not underrepresented, that's what's wrong.

>>389508348
>Get a good roll
>Proceed with the game
>Get a bad roll
>Forced to restart

I wonder how this shit game got popular in the first place.

>>389508396
>turning down the romance option that doesn't discriminate against race
wow... uh, okay sweetie, why even play the EE if you're such a fascist bigot??

>>389508348
What can I do to die less often?

I'm not really a fan of savescumming. It ruins the atmosphere. Plus, the walking distances are ridiculous and the characters are way too slow.

It looks like that game is overrated. Shame really.

>>389507993
>That is what comes of judging others by their appearance
It's funny because drow are fucking evil 99% of the time

My main character is going to be a Fighter/Cleric (multi dwarf) Any hints or suggestions on how to use it properly or what spells to open up with once I get them?

>>389508681
WOW. Did you ever consider that it's because the white skinned races forced them to live underground in poverty and that if they weren't systematically oppressed and given the same opportunities that the privileged races had that their crime rates might be different? No, of course you never did. Check your human privilege, shitlord.

>>389508868
"We wuz heroes n shit"
Fuck off Drizzt

>>389508615
Depends on the character and skills/spells you have. Throw me a class you'd like to play as and i'll pitch you some ideas. The game is rng heavy at the start but towards the end and in baldur's gate 2 + it becomes whoever can cast dispels and spells the fastest.

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>>389508956
Face it nazi shit, the Enhanced Editions are the definitive editions and they belong to US now.

>>389508868
Hello shlomo, how is life in New york?

>>389509068
>implying I'm not Canadian

>>389509018
Not that guy, but I started playing recently too. I'm a mage. Last time I played I got to the mining town.

>>389508493
you stalking some rando their champ?

>>389508080
Because only faggot commies care about that shit.

>>389508217
>>389507993
>this fucking writing
what the fuck

>>389509042
>Jaheira was a nagging wife

Yeah she was cunt, but it was kinda nice how she and Khalid legit loved each other and were close.

I bet the stupid bitch liked the books were Jaheira immediatly started fucking CHARNAME the second her husband died the dumb prick.

>>389509018
I took the pre-generated group. I have now 2 figthers, 1 thief and one figther druid.

So far that magician in op pic related killed me and I was ambushed by a pack of wolves who also killed me and ambushed by skeletons. I also killed some stuff, so there's that.

I've heard grinding is impossible, is that true?

>>389509210
What in specific is hindering you? At the start mages aren't going to be able to dish out damage, focus on your blind/confusion spells until you get the level 3 spells - skull trap is really really powerful and only gets more powerful as you level up.

>>389509042
>doesn't mesh with modern day gamers
I thought gamers were sexist and evil?

>>389509165
oy vey shut it down

>>389509313
Look away before it takes your soul.

>>389509459
Oh, I haven't been having too much trouble. Just looking for general tips I guess.

>>389509489
>Modern day gamers are sexist and evil
>But they like progressive politics shoved down their throats
>Because they're sexist and evil

>>389509335
Being such a bitch makes her reaction to things in 2 all the sadder, you see that strong big headed self suredness fall away

>>389509210
> I'm a mage
Stand back with a sling, you won't kill anything, but only other range fire will kill you. Also sleep is broken in BG1 because you can't wake up from it. Burning Hands is another good spell at lvl1 since Chromatic orb doesn't have anything good on it yet, and Magic Missile sucks at lvl1

>>389509441
>I have now 2 figthers,
In the event of just regular fights, have one of the fighter be a distraction, and have the rest of your team shoot the ever loving hell outta everything. If something deaggros, kite with whoever they're chasing, and try to get them to focus on the fighters. For the mage, the thief should have a wand of Magic Missile that you should use at the start of the fight. After that, it's just praying to rnJesus, hoping you kill him before he casts fear.

>>389508824
Command, slow poison, silence, and animate dead are probably going to be your most used spells besides heals. Shields are neat in baldur's gate but you'll want to work on dual wielding eventually. Points in flails and warhammers aren't misplaced, but I think you won't have a shortage of proficiency points.

>>389510671
pausing the game and selecting each spell is tedious as fuck

what hotkeys do pros use? QWERT?

>>389506945
It is supposed to be safe. That's why the guards even help you in the battle.

>>389510671
Yeah command is becoming a charm. Why dual wielding exactly? From a roleplay perspective I don't like it too much but I'll do it if it is a massive benefit. Also how about quarterstaves for when I get to baldur's gate 2? I've had my eyes on using staff of the ram with flails of ages ever since I heard of baldur's gate.

>>389511002
I'm pretty sure they just select each spell. You can assign spells to a key though. Go to options - gameplay - assign keys - priest spells, click on the spell you want to hotkey, and assign it to a key. The number pad keys display as other characters on the keyboard for some reason, but they don't activate any function other than the spell you assign to them. For instance, number pad 9 displays as A, but it won't toggle party ai when you assign it.

>>389512083
It's an rpg and min maxing isn't necessary. You can play how ever you want and if you want to roleplay I suggest you stop asking for advice on how to play your character because you'll get people hounding you for doing only a bajillion damage instead of a bajillion damage + 1.

>>389511626
The fucking guards always ignored the guy in my playthrough

>>389512206
i'll do me my man

>>389506945
>Be me
>Leave town
>Die to wolf
Wooow

>>389509042
I realize you're a triggered /pol/ak trying to stir shit but the enhanced editions are the definitive editions.

>>389508305
>Most of the fights in early Baldur's Gate felt like a coin toss to me
Is that really a bad thing? I mean, you're just a normal dude fumbling about the wilderness trying to kill bears with a rusty piece of shit or whatever in the beginning. It's possible to not get fucked over if you really play it safe, but at the end of the day if you're 1v1ing a killing machine as a level 1 bitchboy in a RPG I don't think you should win every time, I don't think the game should spoonfeed you safe encounters either.

>>389508217
>>389507993
So is there any mod of the 'enhanced' edition that unrapes it?
Or do I need to mos the original game myself?

>>389509042
>Her husband is a spineless coward
>Xan is Fantasy Marvin
>Every evil party member is generally just evil for the sake of evil
The fact that they focus on "Jaheira was a nagging wife and that's bad!" and not "most of the characters were fairly shallow, and had their traits played for laughs" is quite telling.

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>Want to play Ranger
>Ranger makes no sense for CHARNAME to be story-wise because he spent his entire life in a fucking library and the only explanation you could possibly have is LOL HE READ A LOT OF BOOKS ABOUT FORESTS AND SHIT so my tism wont let me do it
>basically no other class makes sense either except for primarily mage/sorcerer and maybe thief, cleric or fighter if you really stretch it

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>>389506945
>playing baldur's gate with a friend
>constantly get pulled to dialogues the other starts

>>389512734
That is valid criticism. She cared about her particular agenda and nothing else.

>>389512915
play iwd instead

>>389508824
>multiclassing on first playthrough
yeah i dont know if that is a good idea

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>>389508217
>You will never smell Viconia's overpowering vagina-cheese while talking to her
WHY EVEN LIVE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHH

>>389512991
Nobody in the game, with maybe like 2 exceptions, cared for anything but their particular agenda. It's why you couldn't have certain characters together. Depth was not the characters strong suit, it's just what they had was likable. Valid or not it's fucking selective.

>>389512915
Dude above you just explained this. You start out as a level 1 bitchboy. You aren't a ranger yet. You're a guy that calls himself a ranger and can barely manage to point the business end of a bow the right direction. You're a guy that calls himself a mage but only knows two spells he copied from little laminated notes he got as a prize from a box of fruity pebbles. You're a guy that calls himself a thief but the most he's ever stolen was a candy bar from wal-mart.

>>389512915
You just lack imagination like all autists

What if some respected rangers regularly visited the library in the chars childhood/teenagerhood and he thought they were totally cool and they were flattered so they taught him some things so he chose to become one?

>>389512730
I would like to know this too. There has to be something out there

>>389513517
How about just not taking Neera in your party?

>>389513303
That's not how D&D works, anon. A level one character usually has years of training. Without training you're just an NPC-tier character which has even worse stats than you imagined possible.

>>389512730
The original game has unofficial fan patches that are far, FAR better than anything in the "enhanced" edition without adding any cringey characters. You can download cringey characters separately if you want.

>>389513610
You're some kid that spent his life in a library and you have 18/00 strength, 18 dexterity, 18 constitution, 8 fucking intelligence, 8 wisdom, and 18 charisma. This shit is so open ended you can have the story start how ever you wish.

>>389513589
It felt good telling her to fuck off.

>>389513771
>minmaxing this hard

>>389513610
>Without training you're just an NPC-tier character which has even worse stats than you imagined possible.
NPCs are far ahead of you in most RPGs and it is an achievement if you can defeat one. See Gothic or Elder Scrolls.

They don't send you to kill rats and wolves because they are too weak for it. They send you, because it is tedious, lowly work and they are too busy for it.

>>389513852
Fine, you're the bhaalspawn that rolled 70. You died to a wolf. Everyone laughed at you.

>>389513771
I've got 11 intelligence and 13 wisdom though.

>>389513993
Most RPGs is not D&D. Generic townspeople in D&D die to a strong breeze.

>>389512978
Divinity original sin allowed you to keep fucking around the world while other players talk
this allowed the fun feature(?) where one guy talked to the NPC from behind, making him turn to a wall, and the other guy could then rob the NPCs house blind.

>>389513771
I'm not too familiar with dnd stats but what does 18/00 mean?

>>389513997
lowest is 75

>>389513610
D&D doesn't work when you think about it. Townsfolk die easily, you're apparently way beyond them, but an underpaid village guard is usually strong enough to tussle with you to stop you from stealing shit. Unless he's scarfing down Torm's protein bars when the god turns around it's something you're just supposed to ignore.

>>389514145
It means you're Hercules

>>389514145
>and THIS...is to go even further BEYOND

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>Have beaten Baldur's gate 3 times now
>Still have to use the fireball trick on the last boss because I suck so much ass at the game.
I can't be the only one right?

>>389514145
It means you're a chad's chad. Warrior classes can get exceptional strength that ranges from 18/01 to 18/00 (18/100).

>>389514145
If you roll an 18 for strength, you get to roll another dice for the additional second number to represent how special you are. 18/00 is the highest and is the best strength you can naturally have.

>>389514145
fighters got an extra "extraordinary strength" rating after their regular str value. it goes from 1 to 100 listed as (00). It exists to prevent non-fighting classes to be as good as fighting classes at feats of strength and melee combat.
The removal of this and other exclusive fighter features in later editions of D&D is the reason for the devalue of the fighter class.

>>389514145
00 is a percentage roll, AKA 100%. It's as strong as you can possibly get as a mere mortal and in the case of Baldur's Gate requires hours of rerolling your stats just to be lucky enough to get it. It's also a retarded mechanic that never made it past 2nd edition.

>>389514331
Unless you're a Half Orc, who can have 19

>>389514317
I've been playing the game since it first came out and I'm still shit at it.

>>389514317
The final fight is all about knowing what to use on the different bad guys there. For example, Angelo, the archer is immediately taken out of the fight by a Blind spell. Hitting Samej with either the Dagger of Venom or Arrow of Biting takes him out of commission. Tazok, if he's there for it, has abysmal saving throws and you've got plenty of options. Sarevok becomes a little bitch with a simple Slow spell.

>>389512730
You don't need one. Just ignore the new characters and you're good.

>>389514213
D&D does work, but compromises have to be made in video games otherwise you'd just murder everything in sight and steal everything. Real DMs have other ways of dealing with player shenanigans than super overpowered guards.

>>389514145
It's a mechanic that doesn't matter much beyond 18/60 for carry weight, just gives +1 damage for every certain percentage. By the end of the game you can get a tome of strength to reach 19 str, which is as strong as a hill giant. Any serious fight will have you pop a buff or potion giving you more strength so don't worry about minmaxing those percentiles.

>>389514215
>>389514287
>>389514321
>>389514331
>>389514365
>>389514373
>>389514617
Thanks. I'm familiar with 5e, I play it, but never understood these numbers.

>>389514317
Funnily enough, the EE actually makes the final fight unintentionally much easier than it should be. When Sarevok is in view, even if you're invisible, he will say his dialogue and aggro against you but not walk towards you until he can actually see you. As soon as Sarevok aggros, however, Semaj will immediately Dimension Door down to the entrance of the room, separating himself from the other guys, letting you just ambush him on his own.
Also, if Angelo hits Sarevok and Tazok with his Arrows of Detonation, they will actually aggro on him and start killing him.

>>389514528
Is that all the same on tactics? I remember it got crazy hard since I had to kill all the other buffed bosses before Sarevok without any serious cheesing strat prepared

>>389514373
>It's also a retarded mechanic
it's actually a great mechanic
and it, alongside different xp requirements for levelling, were a necessary complexity to keep everything working as intended.

>>389512915
that's why you start at level 1

>>389514213
That's because guards have armor and official weapons, retard plus they have years of training. The name explains everything: Guard. Only the strongest people of the village become guards.

So what is so unbelievable about the fact that a brat who is obsessed with fighting can find him some old weapon, get in shape and beat up old and defenseless villagers but absolutely gets his shit pushed in if he is confronted with a person who gets fucking paid to beat up people and doesn't have the civilized, peaceful mindset?

You can see it IRL. Some ghetto gangster can beat up defenseless and peaceful people who are just minding their business but a trainer military guy would kick his ass and knock him out in 10 fucking seconds. D&D works totally fine, you are just too autistic to see it.

How avoidable is the new stuff they added in the EE? I'm playing for the first time and want to get as close as I can to the original experience, but I can't get the original to run on Windows 10 so I'm stuck using the EE

>>389513712
I used the 'wide-screen mod' the last time I played it, but that was before the EE was even out. Are you missing out on anything good using only that mod or is there more mods I should add?

>>389514982
Not really, no. It was needless complexity for the sake of "balance". That balanced was achieved in later editions with far less complexity.

>>389514996
trained military guy*

>>389514996
Yeah but the strongest people in the village guard get training from other guards, and unless every fucking village has ex military they're just milita you arrogant cunt. Where as you have access to skills guards wouldn't have, i.e fucking holy magic. They're still designed to beat you in all rulebooks because it's a way to deter players from murderhoboing their way from the left to the right.

>>389515056
If you've played the originals, it's pretty easy. As soon as the game forces the new NPCs and their LGBT issues on you, it's pretty obvious. If you haven't, you'll probably be traveling awhile before you piece together that the brooding Dark Knight wants you to sodomize him while apologizing for your human privilege.

>>389515056
It's avoidable. They will try to shove the new characters at you, but if you just reject them you can go on your merry way.

>>389514758
Another weird quirk is Sarevok will not say his dialogue if he's silenced, like most NPCs, but if you attack him while he's silenced, he won't aggro on you. In fact, you can't kill him at all. You can still damage him, take his HP right down to where he SHOULD be dead, but the game can't say his death line of "Sarevok is defeated, the battle is won" or whatever. So he'll just stop taking damage until his silence wears off, where he'll die instantly.

>>389515056
Depends on how much of an "original experience" you want. As far as new characters/quests go, each game has one forced cutscene that introduces a new character. Everything else can be ignored.

>>389515123
>That balanced was achieved in later editions
it took 2 entire editions to achieve what they already had in the first place m8
it wasn't even that complex in the first place.

20 years of shit just to make things more "streamlined" was not worth it at all.

How many of you have killed Sarevok with a wand of paralysis? That always seems to fuck him.

>>389508528
Beats me. Literally anti-fun.

>>389515081
Not anything major, really. Hundreds of dialogue fixes, balance fixes, bug fixes, some restored content and so on that make the game much more polished. Much more indepth and comprehensive fix to the game than the enhanced edition but it doesn't add new content, which is probably a good thing.

I wonder how many of the usual anti-sarevok tactics still work after all the anti-fun nerfs in the enhanced edition.

>>389514121
Just like real life.

>>389515515
>he wants to cheese the game to oblivion

Just play on the new "story" difficulty if you're that much of a fag.

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>>389508956
>5e handbook
>typical example of a drow given is drizzt

>>389515302
2nd edition was hardly balanced either. Hence why it was in quotation marks.

>>389515641
>cheese
Baldur's gate is a D&D game. It should keep the D&D system. enhanced edition is going further and further away from it for no reason.
Also lol magically animated swords and skelletons now have brains that can be sucked off by ilithids, because "balance".

I fucking love the game but despite steamrolling through almost every encounter in the game, I literally cannot beat the final boss.

>>389515815
removing what little balance there is for the sake of streamlining was a mistake

>>389515887
Most people can't. Most people just "cheat"

>>389515845
If you're judging Baldur's Gate based on how much it resembles the tabletop game it was based on, it should be a complete failure in your eyes.

>>389509018
How bad is a paladin run in BG1?

>>389515935
>unbalanced and convoluted
>unbalanced but streamlined

That's 2nd edition and 3rd edition. You're fucking delusional if you thing 2nd edition was anything approaching balanced.

>>389515998
I already feel bad for cheesing the fuck out durlag tower's final boss.

I'd rather not be cheesing the actual end of the game.

>>389516018
this has nothin to do with what I said

>>389516079
there are degrees of unbalance m8

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>>389515180
I already said the fucking reason. They have far superior equipment. I googled "guard RPG" and they almost all looked like pic related. That's not some random alcoholic, tired peasant you could murder in a tavern.

Just because it's just a village doesn't fucking imply that it exists in anarchy. Every village pays taxes and no king is interested in murderous scum massacring his entire population and not only spitting on the law, but also costing him money in the process and depleting him of human lives who could go to war for him. Every empire where villages can't even protect themselves against murderous bandits would be ruined. Yes they're "just" militia, but they don't exist in a fucking vacuum. This isn't the fucking stone age. They have a lord and that lord has another lord.

>>389516116
>Baldur's gate is a D&D game. It should keep the D&D system

Are you retarded?

>>389516115
Most the game is hard as fuck and merciless if you don't cheese here and there. People won't judge you.

>>389514365
>later editions of D&D is the reason for the devalue of the fighter class.

Questionable outside of 3rd (where they were definitely hot shit).

>>389516062
The only shitty one is Cavalier since they can't use bows.

>>389516018
Not the same guy

Having some of the mechanics be built around their flavor first makes for a much more nuanced and interesting game in my opinion. I'll take a few course edges if it means that enemies and spells have more going on than just being numbers wearing skins that keep getting bigger as the game goes on.

>>389515515
You can't do the usual things for the final fight, but you can now leave the building after you've entered it.

>>389516319
Thanks. I was gonna go with the magical protection one but in BG1 probably not that many skilled mages.

>>389516231
how do you interpret that sentence into
>you're judging Baldur's Gate based on how much it resembles the tabletop game
?

>>389516352
>but you can now leave the building after you've entered it

Pretty sure you can't once the fight begins.

>>389516319
Cavaliers are some of the best frontline fighters, what the fuck are you talking about

>>389516464
Ranged combat dominates in BG1.

>>389516372
If you're planning to import your character into BG2, then know that there are many mage fights in that game.

>>389516436
Because you LITERALLY said it's based on D&D and should stay true to the source material.

>>389516438
No you can. First time I got to the end in EE I beat the fight by pulling each of them outside the building one by one into a bunch of summons.

>>389516573
Do you have to mage-duel enemy mages to beat them? Running up and smashing their face in with a melee character isn't viable at higher levels?

>>389516697
No, but Inquisitor Paladins get Dispel for free anyway.

>>389512591
Woah, you showed him. I'll be sure to pick up the definitive edition of Baldur's Gate, Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition™

>>389516674
>bunch of summons

Ha, this I did not try.

>>389516510
And? They're still great tanks.

>>389516778
You don't need tanks when you can kill every mob before it gets close to you.

>>389516573
>>389516697
How good is Dispel anyways? Is it my fuck you mage button? Does it work on all the antispell protections mages have?

>>389516697
>Running up and smashing their face in with a melee character isn't viable at higher levels?

No, they have multiple protection spells you need to dispell before you can do anything to them, and some insta-death spells that you need to neutralize.

>>389516594
I said "it should keep the D&D system". Not THIS GAME IS SHIT IF ITS NOT 100% EQUAL TO D&D
The changes in the rule set aren't "fixing cheese" it's altering strategies that would work in actual D&D (using mindless automatons to fight brain-sucking monsters for example, or summoning hordes of monsters to distract strong fighters) but now don't work because ?
One of the cool things about BG is the magic system taken straight from AD&D, and all the cool things you can do with it and the magic items. Changing that takes away from the fun of the game.

>>389516836
>>389516697
at some point, if you don't have "breach" spell or "pierce magic" spell you're just gonna suffer a lot against mages.
Dispel doesn't remove all protections either.

>>389516835
Well I guess you're right but I wouldn't call them shitty, not everyone wants to go full ranged. Also they're great in BG2 and for solo.

>>389516194
>Far superior
They're average village guards, genius. No setting in d&d has run of the mill guards in anything above standard gear. We're also talking about D&D so why would you looking up a random image even count?

>>389516898
D&D uses turn based combat. Baldur's Gate doesn't. Therefore its failure should be apparent before you're out of Candlekeep.

>>389517001
Thanks anon. So still need a sorcerer.

>>389517098
Just grab Edwin.

>>389517092
1: you're still a retard who can't understand what I'm saying.
2: Actually, it does use the turn based system m8. Every round is 6 seconds, every turn is 1 minute. Exactly like D&D. You can't, for example, cast 2 spells in the same 6 seconds window, even if you finish a spell nearly instantly, due to wearing the robe of vecna, for example.

BTW the game is on a x2 timescale when in "normal" speed so 6 seconds becomes 3 seconds.

Is there a good mod where allies cast priest and mage spells automatically and intelligently?

>>389517319
No, it's not turn based. Worse than that, it's inconsistent. Some effects list duration in seconds that aren't multiples of 6. BG doesn't even have fucking initiative rolls.

>>389517414
no
enjoy pausing every 3 seconds

Is there a bigger fucker of a spell than Imprison?

>>389517568
all the not really death that still game over you spells are fuckers. Petrification for example

>>389514996
Random town guards are shit compared to the player, no matter how big or important the town is that you're in or what they're defending, unless you're like level 3 or lower and that is pushing it. PCs by their very definition of being heroes are FAR above even skilled NPCs. Back in AD&D when levels were still a relatively new concept and they needed to be given context. You get the impression that you'd basically be out leveling Gandalf before you even hit level 6. By level 8 you're such a big deal that entire continents know your name

The power creep that class levels represent is DBZ tier in D&D, how else would 5 dudes with sticks kill a dragon?

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>>389506945
>What is wand of magic missiles
Imoen has one. Use it every time there's some assassin type character, it interrupts casting. And there are no safe zones, don't expect any place you haven't been to, to be safe in this game.

This is a big fucking gid gud tip in general: use the items. The wands, the potions the scrolls. Spend money on them (High Hedge, Sorcerous Sundries) if you can't find any. They will remove 90% of any "wtf bullshit" RNG.

>>389518342
this desu
baldur's gate 1 is the game of items and bows
2 is the game of time freezing and debuffing

>>389516697
>Running up and smashing their face in with a melee character isn't viable at higher levels?
It's mostly possible, just make sure you have a weapon with elemental damage and keep a normal weapon in your inventory

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Whats wrong you guys dont like beamdog or something?

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>people always saying you need to pick the most powerful class/kit you can find

Half the fun of these games is being forced to come up with new ways to BS your way through fights using items and abilities. Who the fuck wants to just kensai/mage your way through everything?

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Beamdog doesnt understand Viconia or Drow at all so they shouldnt write shit.

Drow arent hated because they have black skin its because they are literally evil. Even Viconia is evil.

>>389519063
holy shit even her new portrait is fucking terrible
that writing reminds me of that Tyranny companion that starts saying some shit about men the first time you meet her

>>389519063
>male drow act like they're in charge in bed

Do they know literally nothing about the drow?

>>389519191
There is nothing wrong with that dialog. You could be the nicest drow in the world and niggers will still try to lynch you.

>>389519429

yeah but thats because 99% of drow are actually evil. So it makes sense.

>>389519429
>You could be the nicest drow in the world and niggers will still try to lynch you.
with good reason tho, unlike real life lynching

>>389516319
Wrong. Check the immunities he gets, basically the best Paladin. BG2 turns immortal when he gets Carsomyr. . Not being able to use ranged weapons is nothing for your melee warrior.
t. Soloed the both games with one

>>389516697
Mashing people's faces in is very viable. And you don't even need a mage, though they're very powerful. 90% of the time the only spell you need against mages is Dispel Magic, Clerics get that too.

>>389518502
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Trolls need to be killed with fire, with anything else, it's only a matter of what "+" your weapon is. +4 cuts through anything, including liches. Your "elemental damage" weapons mean that they do 1 or 2 damage more (which is nothing).

>>389519529
>unlike real life lynching

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>running a blackguard with the rapid fire crossbow before they patched the poison

>>389519651
>immune to fear and poison

wowit'sfuckingnothing.png

>>389519651
Elemental damage goes through Stoneskin

>>389508426
Shield spell.

>>389519651
>+4 cuts through anything
>Your "elemental damage" weapons mean that they do 1 or 2 damage more (which is nothing)

Imagine being this wrong.

>>389508080
Hmm maybe because BALDURS fucking GATE never contained transgenders? We play games to get immersed in that specific game world (which is fantasy), not to play modern politics: the game.

>>389508615
Don't put your PC at the front of the group. Put someone with either high hp, low AC, or magical defenses out front. Keep your PC in the middle.

There's a reason why there are so many NPCs available to join you in BG1. Literally meatshields.

>>389519930
Yes it did. My first character put on the Girdle of Masculinity/Femininity without identifying it.

>>389519930
Oh no, did you get triggered?

>>389519812
And what does the normal Paladin get instead? Nothing.

>>389519827
Used by no one, except the player.

>>389519906
Except "Protection From Magical Weapons". Name anything else.

>>389520442
Every damn mage has stoneskin on contingency.

Also how the hell is every random podunk mage in BG 2 capable of casting a fucking 9th level spell

>>389520442
Ranged weapons. Meanwhile Undead Hunter shits on Cavalier's shitty resists and Inquisitor is the designated mage killer. Cavalier isn't the worst, but second worst isn't something to brag about.

Sorcerers/Dragon Disciple or Mage/Specialized mage?

>>389520914
Edwin.

>>389520976
I rape Edwin with my uber stats.

>>389520685
Stoneskin is also dispelled by "Dispel Magic" or simply by hitting the mage. It really isn't that powerful.

>>389520779
Are you really using ranged weapons with your main melee warrior? You can still give him one of the returning axes/hammers/daggers, if for some reason you desperately wish to forgo hitting an enemy three times per round for 25+ damage/hit.

>>389520914
You can solo the entire trilogy as a wizard.

>>389521084
I'd rape a female Edwin

>>389521180
Great job ignoring the other points.

>>389521329
Inquisitor's shtick quickly turns useless halfway through BG 2.
Regular Paladin is just worse vs. dragons/demons.
Undead Hunter is slightly better. Just worse for solo.

Undead Hunter>Cavalier>Inquisitor>Paladin

>>389521898
>immunity to Hold and level drain are only "slightly better" than Fear (pointless due to naturally high saves) and fucking poison

No nothing faggot.

>>389520779
>>389521898
>not being a Cavalier just because it's awesome

>>389522104
Ring of free action + Negative Plane Protection/Protection from undead/mod that lets anyone use that NPP amulet.
But instead you'll be running around feared in Dragon fights, and be shit throughout BG 1.

>>389522486
Scroll of Protection from Poison and Resist Fear.

Wow.

>>389522862
You know dragons dispel Resist Fear right?
And I notice you don't mention immunity to Charm.

Undead Hunter is still better, "barely".

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>>389523197
Nope. You're retarded and wrong. Don't let me catch you posting shitty advice in these threads again.

>>389508305
Range attacks completely destroys everything early in BG 1.

>>389513257
On the other hand, only caring about your own agenda is more believable than giving up all your personal desires to follow the MC

Well I was going to start a new underrail playthrough but it may be time to boot up my favorite instead and bring the forgotten realms to heel before me once more. What should my bhaalspawn be this time?

>>389526027
halfling fighter

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>>389519218
The portrait is a mod

>>389521180
There are some enemies that I need to hold off my Blackguard from getting in melee range of (demi liches for example) so having the utility of using a ranged weapon is useful sometimes.

Can someone explain to me why people suggest Fighter/mage for dual instead of Kensai/mage?

>>389530578
you can get the epic abilities of both if you multiclass, dumbass

>>389519191
Man, it's good Dynaheir never made it back to Rashemen if MotB is anything to go by; the Wychlaran would toss her off a cliff.

>>389531019
I only played the very begining of the game and had to put it aside, and now I'm thinking about starting over.

But doesn't multiclass will be a problem for me to achieve higher levels?

And if I were to multiclass, wouldn't there be better options than figher/kensai/mage, since fighter and mage are not all that different?

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>>389507993
Holy shit that's Sonichu tier dialogue.

>>389531243
Are you new to DnD? Fighter/mage is pretty much the best multiclass for buffing yourself up and cleaving through bitches like they were unbuffed witches. Thief/mage is good for utility but not much else. Cleric/Mage is effectively buff god so be free to go ahead if you can stand having to re-buff yourself every time someone casts breach or dispel magic.

>>389531420
I'm used to 3.5 only.

My doubt comes from the fact that Kensai doesn't use armor, like mages, so I would think at first they would be better to dual or multiclass than fighter and mages.

But I see mostly people suggesting fighter/mage.

I suppouse there should be some advantage to this, and I would like to know what it is.

>>389531613
Epic abilities for one thing. Nothing like activating whirlwind and casting improved haste on yourself to become a tornado of death and despair.

>>389531613
It's not just armor they can't equip, it's a big selection of equipment, some of which are useful to mages.

That being said kensais are the best physical damage dealers bar none and physical damage end up being the best way of dealing damage late game.

>>389513712
I'm currently playing IWD:EE + mods but there's two things im particulary fond of that only EE has:
- quick loot
- zoom in/out

I'm actually contemplating purchasing of BG1 and 2 EE because of that, as I'm itching to install BG Trilogy with shitton of mods and finish it in one big playthrough and I like to have some QoL improvements.

>>389531957
>mods
Fuck off, why would you ruin the perfect EE vision with shit like that?

>>389523840
Except she never does that. She follows you out of respect for your easily killed mentor and because of the Harper plan bullshit. Then in 2 she follows you because the villain killed her husband and you're on the warpath.

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>>389519529
Yes, but they still identify her supposed evil through her skin colour. They don't know she's evil they just assume it because she is a drow.

>>389519651
>t. Soloed the both games with one

Even if you soloed it on Insane difficulty that's nothing to brag about.
Even a fucking totem druid can do it.

>>389532403
>They don't know she's evil
That's actually not how that works. They don't assume she's evil because she's a drow, they KNOW she's evil because she's a drow.

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>>389515361
>solo cleric
>Summon like 6 skeletons
>like 70 charges of flamestrike wands
>drag him down away from his crew
>The skeletons are doing good damage to him when they hit but he's 1 shotting them
>flamestrike literally cant hit him
>summon random low level animals to try to tank for the skeletons
>He kills them all and chases me
>run away and trigger his giant pile of clusterfuck traps in the middle by accident
>we both get owned by a ton of shit and it kills him barely before it kills me

i can only assume his friends came down and violated me immediately afterwards

What's the tier list for BGS anyways?

>>389532167
Is that an irony?
IWD:EE is actually remastered done right. It doesn't add any meaningless shit and just improves the original.

>>389533605
>done right
Copy-pasting BG2 classes and races without balancing the game accordingly is hardly done right.

>>389534256

It's literally set in the same world, why wouldn't the kits and races be the same.

>>389534256
>without balancing the game accordingly
I actually can't deny that argument, as I'm exclusively playing Heart of Fury from start as 1 lvl party so cheese is strong in me and I don't care about balancing the normal game.

I've seen same argument a few times used while talking about BG:EE and BG Trilogy, when people claimed that BG2 kits in BG1 make the game too easy.

>>389534508
I can understand the sentiment but ultimately can't really agree

every version of both BG and IWD 1 and 2 are pretty broken if you know your way around second edition and/or infinity engines specific quirks, I haven't tried every combo in all the games or anything of course but I highly doubt one kits extra abilities could be as gamebreaking as nearly any of the things people call "cheese"

the combat in these games have always been what you make of them

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>pick archer
>rape your way through the game
>get btfo by any enemy that has high immunity to weapons, like the werewolf on the island that can only be hurt by +3 weapons

why the fuck is there an enemy that can only be hurt by like 5 enemies in the game?

>>389534792
*err weapons i meant to say

>>389534589
>highly doubt one kits extra abilities could be as gamebreaking as nearly any of the things people call "cheese"
The thing with standard BG is that from the start you have very limited resourcers - no useful spells, no weapons, stats mean nothing etc.
But if you can use from lvl 1 Sorcerer, Barbarian, Archer or Dwarven Defender then you're automatically gaining fuckton more tools to tackle the problems.
that's why I agree with the guy >>389534256 - balance gets problematic if you dont adjust the challenge to the new things you add.
BG1 was pretty balanced while having standard - or nearly barebones - content and classes.

>>389534792
If i remember correctly, you get a few weapons there to specifically fight the werewolves - balduran's sword and that silver dagger.

So many people complaining about how hard this game is... how about you take it slow and actually use tactics? Don't hoard gold, buy better arrows/potions/wands/etc. Find OP spell combinations. Just git gud... and don't save scum. Protect your player char at all costs, you can resurrect anyone else as long as they aren't chunked

>>389532791
No they assume she is evil because the vast majority are evil. They still don't know shit. Granted Viconia is evil.

>>389514595
There's also a mod that removes them.

So BGT or EET?

>>389535492
Yeah no, they do know shit. This isn't the real world, it's D&D, where good Drow are so rare that most people prefer to run away and/or kill Drow instead of dealing with them. They know she's evil from sight, and they're right.

>>389508305
Low level magic user ADnD revolves around spamming sleep, horror, hold X.

Magic user played as a straight aoe nuke is flatout retarded in most DND. Magic user is all about the versatily.

Low level everything else ADnD is all about spamming missiles.

>millennials who have never touched anything Forgotten Realms before getting triggered by Viconia

Allow me to school you fucks real quick.
Baldur's Gate is old as fuck and the Forgotten Realms lore is even older.

Viconia is a Drow. A dark elf. They live underground and their society is a bit different from others'. They live under a matriarchy as their spooky spider goddess says women or more deserving of her power or something. So naturally, the high priestesses of said goddess have a lot of political power AS WELL as magic and/or divine. Men are always subservient to women, and generally speaking, it's hardly ever an issue really. Everyone knows their place, as well as the places of others, and often murder them to take it, but that's sort of besides the point.

This matriarchal society was unique and unheard of back in the day and made the Drow different, therefor more interesting as a race.
This predates the modern feminazi bullshit you all have grown up with since the year 2000. none of the writing is intended to brainwash anyone or push any sort of SJW agenda.

>>389508615
Get EE autoroller. You need good stats on your character. For instance a magic user actually needs dex and con 18 as well as their int. Because they need all the ac and bonus HP they can get. And 18 into ofc for the bonus spells per level per day.

Just be glad your 18 int magic user gets to choose 4 spells instead of having to waste two choices on read magic and write magic spells.

>>389536208

>CON 18

Unless you were aiming for regen HP in BG2, only fighter classes benefit from CON past 16

>>389536208
Dragon's Disciple usually goes well with con bonuses

>>389512915
Fighter charname backstory is you were basically a watcher fanboy/girl.

Cleric is that you hung out with the oghma and monk dudes a lot.

Mage is that you're daddy's girl/boy.

>>389536160
>They live under a matriarchy
They live in a theocracy and their god happens to be a women, they aren't rules by women, they're ruled by a god who hates them.

>>389536615
Then explain the matriarchs that rule the houses and the priestesses that keep everyone in check

>>389536001
>where good Drow are so rare

By your own definition not all Drows are evil so technically speaking they don't know if she is evil or not. They think she's evil and they're right.

>>389512915
>Cleric thief gnome
>she pretended to be a cleric out of respect for gorion but never really believed in it and got her thrills stealing from people and playing pranks on the stuffy monks of candlekeep with imoen
>to her surprise when pushed to desperation after his death and upon earnestly praying she received divine aid from an unknown deity

im probably breaking some kind of cleric lore rule but it works for me

>>389536615
Drow men are ruled by drow women. Females can literally kill males out of boredom or for fun and there is nothing that dude can do.

>>389536696
Ok I'll give it to you. TECHNICALLY there is a 1 in a trillion fucking chance that the Drow in front of you is good. Except it's such an astronomically bullshit probability that it's less a racist comment that may be innaccurate (which it isn't) and more common sense. The kind of common sense which would lead to everyone from villagers to paladins calling you a fucking lunatic if you go "not this one, she's not evil."

>>389513610
Actually its exactly how ADnD works. A level one magic user is literally called a 'prestigitator' as in, a fucking stage fake magician.

Only later editions decided to go full powergaming fuckery. Normal humans are level 0 commoners. They Can acquire classes in professions in ADnD like 'farrier' or whichever. But they never gain a PC class. Level 1 adventurers basically mean you've done something out of the ordinary. The magic user has studied to read and write magic, apprenticed under an actual mage and begins their adventure with a whopping TWO spells.


Hell a level one thief is a 'bagman' literally a go-fer.
Read the fucking players handbook or the DM guide ffs.

>>389536208
>And 18 into ofc for the bonus spells per level per day.
Does it work in EE, tho? Bonus spells from int/wis were broken in standard BG1 and 2.

>>389536615
They actually are ruled by women. That's kind of the point of a lot of male drow characters, that they want to rebel against their shitty system. And not in the Drizzt way, but in a clearly still evil but I want the power kind of way.

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>>389536160
what the fuck does this have to do with sjws

drow are an objectively fucking evil society
isnt drizzt like the only one who isnt an evil piece of shit anyways

>>389514321
Unless you're a HOrc and get 19 STR and CON.

>>389536931
There's like a cult of non evil drows but they're not that common and the entire thing is bullshit anyway.

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>make a cleric/mage multiclass for the first time
>in exchange for a little slower level progression i'm literally getting more than twice as much spell slots and ability to put cleric shit into contingencies and triggers
Why the fuck single classes even exist?

>>389514365
Plus fighters got the best rewards at high level. Fucking building castles and armies attractan, mane.

All of the actual high level gameplay of ADnD got thrown out in later editions.

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>>389536931
There is also this whore.
>>389536990
Cult of Eilistraee is pretty cool, desu.

>>389537072
No, it really isn't. It's a shitty cult expanding on an already overplayed idea even for the time. The only good part about Eilistraee is the part where she decided only women could be her priests, only to realise that was a really stupid thing to be telling lost and confused Drow who wanted to change their ways.

>>389515123
ADnD
>needless
Later Editions
>casters and casters is totally balanced!

Fuck off. Just because you're a retard doesn't make everyone else your kind of stupid by default.
>>389515703
Horc isn't even a core race anymore.

But drow faggots get into the pH as an elf flavour

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>>389517098
Take Edwin. No character you could ever create (besides cheating) can top Edwin.

>>389509042
Jesus Christ, did she not play BG2?
Safana sells you out to fucking Lycanthropes. Why the fuck pick her for the snowflake treatment?

>>389517089
Except for anywhere that isn't bumfuck nowheresville.

Candlekeep is toril's library. Archmages, master thieves and their own private guilds, bandit kings and their gangs ARE ALL trying to break in, sneak in, steal shit ALL THE TIME. knowledge is power. Candlekeeps 'monks' and the watchers stop them cold every time. Lvl 1 fuckwit charname ain't got no hope.

>>389508217
Is that enhanced edition shit? It's so bad.

>>389517707
Charname getting hit with spells that game over screen you is due to the story. Your bhaalspawn essence (your soul) is getting eaten up by nascent bhaal, so there's nothing to bring back. Yes you can resurrect others because they don't get a fate worse than death if they die. Only charname does.

>>389536615
Drow are literally the result of some D&D guy having a femdom fetish

>>389537292
>But drow faggots get into the pH as an elf flavour

Yeah, and superior Darkvision to boot. You can literally see most dungeon-dwelling faggots before they ever see you. Go Assassin and have fun raping shit. Good on WotC for keeping them neutered in daylight, though.

>>389531019
You have to dualclass those. You cannpt ulticlass any specialty kit. Except gnomes . gnome fighter mage becomes fighter illusionist.

>>389532403
They don't assume she is evil because she's African american. They assume she's evil because DROW ARE FUCKING EVIL.

Anyone else hate how all the companions from the first game get killed as soon as you meet them?

>>389536160
It's still retarded for Viconia to be mad that she's a victim of racial prejudice. She ought to be annoyed that surfacers don't recognize their inferiority, not that they think she's evil on the basis of being Drow (especially since she actually is evil). She's not going to make accept a comparison with a fucking half-orc, a mongrel barely above a beast of burden.

Similarly, it's weird for her to talk about how "men think they're the masters when they take a woman to bed but they aren't", since a) in Drow society the men decidedly don't think they're the masters of anything, and b) it's not applicable to Sword Coast society, where men actually are dominant, albeit much less so than in the real world equivalent societies.

Perhaps she might think it would be better if women ran things in human society too, but that's distantly behind how inferior she should view non-Drow men and women; a Drow male is immeasurably higher status than a human female, and they take women as slaves and torture them, too.

>>389520914
Between a singleclass mage and even a specialized mage and sorcerer, sorcerer will always win provided you know that to pick.
More level 9 casts automatically make sorcerer better than any form of pure wizard and if you need some utility spell you don't want to pick up, scrolls and wands are always there for you.
The only exception is savescummed wild mage but it's a pain in the ass to play with because your every single fucking cast can surge with awful effect for you.

But if you're open for multiclassing and just want a pure casting fun, go cleric/mage.

>>389536904
They worked for divine casters, just not arcane ones. It's the bonus to saving throws from a high wisdom that was broken in the classic version, not the extra spells. Don't know if they changed the arcane thing in EE though.

>>389537801
Yep. Drow exist because r a Salvatore home brewed his fetish into DnD 1 and made gygax et all eat it. Wrote his retarded fan fiction too and got tsr to publish that shit.

>>389538040
I'd love to play some 5e but pointbuy means you can never make anything but a patheicly mediocre uncharacteristic that's too wussy to ever have survived lvl 0 - 1. A barbarian in 5e wants natural str, dex and con 18 to go full R E Howard / zaetta. And the only way that's happening is if you gimp yourself with int wis and cha of 1. Unplayably shit.

Fuck point buy. To hell.

>>389508426
but each missle is 1d4+1 damage (I think), so there's a dice roll involved that can fuck you over.

>>389513081
BG is quite easy, and Dwarf Fighter/Cleric is pretty hard to fuck up since you have access to healing, heavy armor and a quick +2 hammer from Bassilus.

>>389509589
Well, the mage gets his ball rolling circa level 5 when you can start frying everything with fireballs and exploding skulls. Before that just focus on crowd control and buffs. Like others have said, sleep, horror and so on are your friends, paired with Jaheira/Branwen/Viconia protecting you from the very same effects.

>>389530578
No downtime. Access to the great Fighter High Level Abilities.

>tfw no dungeons and dragons mmo
I heard that D&D:O is pretty alive is it worth to start playing?

>>389538807
Are you retarded or something? 5e doesn't require point buy.

>>389513081
I rolled a fighter/mage for my first playthrough.
18 in all stats except for wis and cha.
I'm sure it's going to be fine.

I wish I had me old tobacco pipe.

>>389541436
It all depends on the /xx on str, it can still be shit if it's not at least 18/50 (unless you're going for buffing str ASAP beyond 18 thus ignoring this awful mechanic)

fighter/rogue is more fun than playing a fighter/mage

Prove me wrong

>>389541436
>>389543824
Easiest to just mod yourself to 18/00 desu

>>389544435
Even easier to play half-orc and go for the sweet 19

>>389543939
You are wrong.
That's a fact.