Why does the game make you feel bad about killing him? He raped

>youtube thumbnail of a 800 part LP

that's a paddlin

I killed him and I don't remember the game ever trying to make me feel bad.

>>389452989
but makes you feel good about killing him or not
I played game twice and killed him twice, wanted second playthrough not to kill him to see what happens entered that corridor and changed my mind

>>389452989
>a life of misery and poverty while you're forced to watch your enterprises prosper under a transforming midget is "a slap on the wrist"
I dunno about that one, but I still kill him every time

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>>389452989
Elaborate? I felt great about killing him. Pic related.

>>389453226
>being poor is misery

Said the richfag

>>389453226
I think living in shit to the end of your days with all kinds of diseases is worse than simply dying.

>>389453290
being poor in 13th century is misery, anon

>>389453290
I dunno if it's just the being poor that would make him miserable, but the game is pretty clear that his life after Geralt fucks him up is pretty abject

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Let's talk about a real decision, did you save Olgierd? I don't think he deserved to be saved but I did it anyway to get a chance to fuck with Gunter

>>389452989
>He raped and killed women for fun

there nothing wrong with that

>>389453442
saved him and regretted it instantly
mirrorman never wronged me, his contract is a bit strict though

>>389453559
I didn't like getting branded

>>389453442
yeah fuck both of them

>>389453494
here comes obligatory le edgy degenerate

>>389452989
raping and killing is natural. it should be encouraged desu.

>>389453442
He wasn't a good guy but he was at least worth a chance at redemption after O'Dimm's contract effectively moved him to destroy everything he loved
Nothing good can come from siding with a spiteful devil desu

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>>389453259
fucking this.
I was emotionally happy irl to kill this fucking degenrate

>>389452989
I killed him and I didn't feel like the game made me feel bad about it.

>>389452989
> Makes you feel bad

Where? Pretty sure Geralt was not only super ok with it, but if that was the chosen narrative, he enjoyed it.

>>389453442

Why does he look like David Beckham?

>cool calm and collected for the whole game
>suddenly you come face to face with this guy
>geralt goes full batman interrogation mode
bueno

Hm, i'm going full retard geralt next playthrough
tw1- full blown nazi mode
tw2 - kill everything and everyone
tw3 - opposite day, going to make all opposite decisions I usually do

>>389453909
its other way around, beckham wants to look like cosack

>>389453442
of course I saved him, the rewards from odimm are shit, and olgierds sword was god tier, that is until you meet the lady in the lake in toussaint

>>389452989
It doesn't make you feel bad, you moron

>>389454028
serpent is okay too

>>389452989
>I'M A SERIAL KILLER THAT KILLS EVERYONE LMAO
What a terrible character.How did this pass CDPR's quality control?

>>389454094
I can't remember th I've not played the game for 2 years, I do know that the lady in the lake sword is the best sword in the game, only sword you will even need, it levels with you too so you can use it on NG+

>>389454297
Who are you quoting?

>>389454345
CDPR's nonexistent lead writer

>>389453442

Yes, I did save him. He was an annoying prick, but that oh-look-me-so-smart Gaytner O'dick was 1000 times more fucking annoying

>>389454297
did you even play it? he is not a serial killer

>>389454419
Reddit O'Dimm was cancer.

>>389454297
You walk in to his home and he has literally murdered about 6 women.

>>389454529
meant for >>389454451

>>389453752
I actually thougth whoreson jr was one of the worst characters of w3 just because of traditionally black and white "evil" they wrote him to be. Everyone else had some nuance to them. I give them credit for mentioning his father whose bad parenting led him to become what he is today.

>>389453442
What was the best decision regarding his wife? I asked her for the flower but I can't remember the consequences

>>389454621
I have no problem with black and white morality, his character is the worst because there is literally no depth to his character.

>>389454602
so? he also killed a ton of people on the side for business, does it make every mob boss serial killers?

>>389454621
this is fair though, he was weak character, but he also didn't have much game time unlike others so I think it's okay-ish

>>389453442
Fuck this faggot, fighting him and his "clones" at the derelict mansion triggered me so fucking hard. Didn't help that I was playing on death march so his charging slash attack would 2 hit me.

Took me a good hour to beat this faggot

>>389454895
just dodge.

>>389454829
If I have to explain to you what a serial killer is there is no hope for you.

>>389454895
>he had trouble with the clones

Just keep rolling and quick slashes

>>389454895
>He didn't go Euphoria + Whirlwind

>>389454895
Thats why most people play on easier difficulties. I dont enjoy dying over and over to same thing. The game is over a hundred hours long, I dont need to extend it artificially with harder difficulties.

>>389455027
>rolling
way to make not fun at all.

>>389455105
>Whirlwind
is this pleb hour?

>>389453442
Olgierd was a cunt, but Mirrorfag was ever worse, so I chose to save Olgierd. He probably killed himself soon after anyways.

is there anything else to do in the endgame besides 2 minute contracts?

>>389455247
no, there is not endgame its not an MMO, also you supposed to finish contracts before finishing the game

>>389453442
I actually liked him and saved him but then again I'm a faggot for faustian tales

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>>389454895

I just moved a lot and had no real problem with Olgierd and his minions.

Pic related, on other hand... goddamnit' he tears me second asshole so fucking big that my Geralt dont need a stable for Roach anymore

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>>389455140
If your still dying even after getting an idea on how the skill and armor system work then maybe you should play on story mode little baby boy

>>389454895
git gud

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>>389455413
>it's a "boss can recover health" fight
fantastic stuff

>>389455140
>I dont enjoy dying over and over to same thing
Then how about you learn to play video games, you fucking casual

>>389455224
The final showdown with O'Dimm is some weak-ass shit
>hey m8 solve this riddle by me, the master of mirrors: when old people look at me they weep and young people find it good or whatever
>gee might it possibly a fucking mirror?
>just in case the player was too retarded, you now have a trail of breaking mirrors
>feel smart because I remembered that the cat and dog told me about a mirror that can't be broken
>Geralt just goes WOW WATER I COULD USE WATER while walking past the empty fountain
>Geralt then goes HM THERE MIGHT BE WATER BEHIND THIS WALL IF ONLY I COULD MAKE IT GO INTO THIS FOUNTAIN
I was fine with the witcher senses bullshit in all the monster hunt quests and so on but the handholding during this riddle part was just ridiculous

>>389453442
It blows my mind that there are so many people who think O'Dimm is not bad he just makes le contract so it's ur fault XD.

I'm not saying Olgierd was a saint, but anyone who sided with O'Dimm for the reasons above is retarded. Also, I always assumed that O'Dimm doesn't simply kill you. "Your soul" sounds much worse than just killing you, I'm sure he torments your spirit in some way after he succs you. And I thought no man, no matter what he has done in life, deserves to be "gored and tormented till the stars expire".

>>389455605
To prove what? My enjoyment is only thing that matters as Im no longer a teenager.

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>>389455309
>no more story heavy missions after the main story is finished

>>389455673
Why does someone all-powerful like O'Dimm have to set the terms for his own defeat anyway? Why wouldn't he just punk Geralt? Was it a pride/arrogance thing? Otherwise there was literally no need to purposefully leave a blocked up fountain inside his riddle world

>>389455767
Prove? You needn't prove anything. I'm just telling you that you're shit at video games

>>389455851
There's the DLC.

>>389454028
>Iris
>Aerondight
It's a god-tier combo. Just a shame that Iris gets eclipsed by other legendaries in B&W.

>>389455927
To be honest that entire sequence was very weird
Why give such a weirdly easy riddle but then say he has to find the solution (but somehow broken mirrors don't count as mirrors)?
I regarded O'Dimm more as a loophole and contracts kinda guy, not a videogame sequence to solve a riddle guy

>>389455491
>says he plays on lower difficulty
>yeah, well if you're so shit maybe you should just try playing on a lower difficulty
Are you okay, anon?

>>389455927
An all powerful being with no rules doesnt make a good story.
>one day guy decided to kill everyone, and so he did. The end
Either theres rules that guide their actions or nonsense like that.

>>389455927
It's based on Faust. It's just the way O'Dimm operates. I guess he finds pleasure in playing with rules that he finds ways to bend, without breaking them

>>389455927
That's because the whole Olgierd vs O'Dimm conflict was based on Polish legend about Mr Twardowski (and Faust to some extent).

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>>389455413
Yeah, that guy was tough. I beat him second try, but it took everything I had. Frog prince was probably the hardest boss though.

>mfw I'm playing through Bloodborne now, and the Witcher bosses barely seem like bosses anymore

>>389456027
How about I play games like I want and enjoy myself and you can be underage on 4chan.

>>389455927
O'Dimm makes deals. It isn't a deal if he just takes whatever he wants. It's a fundamental aspect of the sort of being he is.

>>389455927
O'Dimm only has two real rules, he cannot claim your soul until he fulfills the terms of your contract, and if challenged to a wager he has to have some way for the other person to win it. Otherwise it's not a wager at all because there's no chance he could lose, and that's terribly boring and unsatisfying for him because he likes tricking people. Beyond that, everything is fair game.

>>389455927
Typically Djinns get defeated because of their arrogance (hey if you're so powerful why don't you try to fit inside this lamp) but that riddle was disappointing

>>389456259
No one said you couldn't. I'm stating that you're bad at video games, enjoyment or no

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>>389456030
>tfw poorfag

>>389453442
Saved him because fuck Gaunter, but also because it was just more content. Felt like what you were supposed to do.
Letting him die felt like skipping the ending.

>>389456349
torrent it

>>389454028

Olgierd's sword is iron, I think.

>>389456368
Yeah, this. Although, when O'Dimm looks at Geralt while slowly walking backwards, tossing Olgierd's skull up and down and whistling his theme song, I almost shat my pants. But I got this sense that it just wasn't enough closure. I ended up savescumming and helping Olgierd.

>>389456349
pirate it. You don't even need a crack or anything, because of gog. torrent it, and install. There you go, as if you bought it

>>389454895
You did know that the clones don't attack you if you don't hit them?

>>389456301
Probably the most satisfying explanation, still a shame that the riddle itself was pretty weak compared to O'Dimm's repuation as the cosmic prankster

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>>389456552
aren't the gog dlcs incompatible with the steam version?

>>389456881
Don't know. Just torrent the full game. Problem solved.
Have you never pirated in your life?

>>389453442
Olgierd was cursed and Geralt breaks curses.
Everything else is just extra.

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>that part where the guy standing in the pentagram says he can't leave it, or O'Dimm will kill him
>the aard you used to get through the window breaks a beam, knocks him out of the pentagram, and kills him instantly
>mfw
I probably should've seen it coming, but holy shit it floored me the first time.

>>389456881
Im just wondering why would you have only the base game on steam. The last dlc has been out for 17months and the goty edition has been on sale multiple times.

>>389452989
>He raped and killed women for fun
and where is the problem?

>>389455140
Death March +level scaling isn't even hard outside of a few encounters provided you're actually upgrading armor, I'm not even a minmax alchemy faggot, I played with a sword+signs mixed build.

>>389457201
Differentfag here, I played about half the game on death march, but I had to turn it down one notch in Novigrad. Lots of fights in small rooms and alleys, and I was sick of peasants one-shotting me with a blackjack. Fun playthrough though, sorta Souls-like in how unforgiving the combat is.

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>>389457170

>>389456636
The riddle didn't feel like it was supposed to be some kind of mental challenge, the dangers were from the monsters and the layout of the nightmare he threw Geralt into, which probably had more to do with a harrowing gauntlet being more satisfying to overcome than just picking, "What is a Mirror, Alec?" from a dialogue menu if anything.

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>It's a brawl where you have to face 3 people at once
Why did they have to make boxing matches against 3 peasants consistently the hardest fights in the game

>>389457465
Always keep your block up and they pretty much will never hit you. Counter attack and jab, lad.

>>389457465
Those are easy as fuck though. Just parry them.

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>>389452989
There's people who have justified hate for this dude, and then there's people in this thread going full out rage-mode no mercy no rational thinking style. It's like the death penalty. I'd rather see the dude rot in prison and want to kill himself every day due to misery and boredom for decades instead of taking the easy way out with an execution. Of course, then his expenses are funded by taxpayer dollars, so it's a bit of a tough choice.

But here, the better decision is crystal clear. This guy won't be supported by ANYBODY. His whole identity, his whole persona, his entire ego was based around being in a position where he could boss others around and go on massive lawlesss powertrips with no repercussions.

He's still relatively young, and sparing him leads to decades of him loathing himself, being spat upon in the gutter, and losing power - the only thing that ever mattered to him. Granted, he probably killed himself in a few years, but it's still a better decision, as it leads to much more brutal and extended agony for him.

That being said, the people sperging out here saying that killing him was a euphoric experience are in reality overreacting with a false sense of morality in order to cover up the fact that they'd do the same exact thing if they were in this guy's situation. They'd be indulging in whores, treating them like shit, and milking their very precarious perch of power for all it was worth. Your false outrage doesn't fool me, it only highlights your own internal fears of knowing that becoming this type of monster is a definite possibility for any human who finds himself in a position of mostly unopposed power with no consequences to their actions.

There are compassionate humans out there, but honestly the majority of us, myself included, would jump at the chance to be in junior's position (pre-Geralt smackdown), and we'd probably abuse our powers in similar ways. Maybe not quite as brutally, but similarly. Don't fool yourselves lads.

>>389452989

The choice is between giving him a quick death or letting him suffer consequences of his actions. At this point his entire criminal empire had crumbled away due to Geralt's and Cleaver's efforts, his last safe haven was just busted by Geralt and Radovid had turned on him. At this point he was already nobody. There is really no good or bad choice here, you just do what you think he deserves more.

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>>389457843

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>>389457843
>and we'd probably abuse our powers in similar ways
Yeah, good thing I don't have a criminal empire otherwise I'd constantly rape and murder people for no reason

>>389452989
>Why does the game make you feel bad about killing him?
How so? I kill him every single time. If anything, the game goes out of its way to give you reasons to kill the fuck out of him. Satisfying as fuck.

>>389458137
You'd probably do some fucked up shit if you had a lot of power. Most people will. You're no Marcus Aurelius

>>389458137
I'm just saying that those who are so quick to judge, would probably behave similarly if they were in his situation. Shit, back in history when those in power could get away with almost anything, this kind of stuff happened ALL THE TIME. People haven't changed their core impulses and lust for power since that time period, they simply suppress it since now they can't get away with it and will be caught and buttfucked in prison until they die.

Look at any situation where cops have been told to stand down (mostly nigger riots ie. Ferguson), and people behave like rabid animals. Violence, stealing, rape. All people, of all races, are just waiting for the right opportunity to abuse power when they don't think they'll get caught.

>>389458525
Aren't you being a bit too quick to judge people you don't even know or interact with that much anon?

>>389454621

There is some depth to his character, though it's easy to miss without getting all the background informations. He basically took a wrong lesson from his father, so he tried to earn respect through violence and sadism, while lacking Whoreson Senior intelligence, which allowed him to form his gang in the first place. After years of abuse he decided to finally kill his father and take after him, so he could finally show his worth by creating even bigger criminal empire then his father owned, which is what motivated him into making deal with Radovid to get rid of other Big Four members. Despite his tough facade when in public or doing business, which was clearly inspired by his father, he is emotionally fragile man who almost suffered mental breakdown when Geralt confronted him. Even the ways he treats the hookers he hired seem to be his way of dealing with the stress of his recent failures. Basically he is beta with too much power who desperately tries to make himself look like a chad.

>>389457843
He literally murders women, dismembers them, then strings them up around his house as decorations.

Yeah, I'd probably end up fucking whores until my heart gave out, but I'm not going to brutally kill them and revel in their agonized deaths.

>>389459546
Depth and backround lore is all well and good, they just exaggerated his actions when he could be a bit mad instead of "lets kill dozens of hookers as a means to relieve stress" mad.

>>389457843
Unless someone is an absolute psychopath the average person doesn't get joy out of killing their whores and then displaying their mutilated corpses in their homes, fucking them and torturing and murdering them and then playing with their corpses is not on the same level.

>>389459561

So Whoreson is gurofag who gets to live out his fantasies?

It doesn't tho?

If you don't kill him you see him beggaring on the streets.
If you do, Dudu takes his place where he uses his money to help orphans

Anyway this was probably the worst "character" in the game, compare this guy to someone well developed like Loredo. Witcher 3 really dropped the ball

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>>389459928
haha but yeah bro just trust me humans are inherently evil lmao

>>389460126
Kek, is there any dialogue exchange when you run into him panhandling?

>>389459871

I think it would be better if Geralt caught him just torturing the hookers, just like that Eternal Fire priest did, and one of them looked similar to Ciri, which would activate Geralt's blind rage mode.

>>389460126
Why would you spare him when you've killed several hundred men by now, who were probably all more moral than this guy? And the good thing is to kill him anyway.

This "epic choice" did not make sense at all.Especially since you've never even met the guy, remember in Witcher 2 if you take Iorveths path you can go after Loredo or save some drowning elves? Then Iorveth commends you on saving the elves even tho Loredo was so despicable. That was a 10/10 choice. This was like a 1/10 choice

>>389453035
This, what are you talking about op

>>389452989

What? when does the game make you feel bad about it? The moment i saw the bodies i thouight "that´s it, i am killing this bloke". Had the game not remembered me i needed some information first i would have done so on the spot.

If anything i felt bad that i could not torture him first... like you can´t axii him so he cut his own dick and then burn it with igni or anything like that.

>>389459928
Power corrupts, i really felt bad for him because i understand his struggle. Society is the one whos wrong, not him.

>>389460472
To me the bigger issue is that other people supply him whores to kill and then go "yeah hes a good reliable leadership figure/someone to make deals with".
People didnt like other people killing their women at any period of human history.

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So we all know it's fine to kill Whoreson Junior, but was it right to kill this guy, even after he gives you the hint that lets you catch the vampire?

>>389453442
of course i saved david beckham. football legend

>witcher 3 faggots trying to emulate the Witcher 2 discussions about choices

lol embarassing

>>389458965
Just look at Nazi Germany. The vast majority of people are capable of being pieces of shit, and will be so in a situation where it's viable

>>389460847
ME WITCHER
ME KILL MONSTER

>>389453442
>you never see the guy do anything wrong, presented as a tragic figure having his life ruined by Satan

>so defeat satan knowing you could do it because plot armor or give satan a new victim

HMMM REALLY GETS MY GROIN FLOWING LE MORALLY BLACK HARD CHOICES

>>389452989
It doesn't. Everything is black and white in Witcher 3.

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>>389457465

Fighting two is even harder than 3 because with three going at you at the same time usually makes you slap all of them at once in the face if you punch the middle guy.

>There are people who didn't participate in this fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKWtwJ38EjE

>>389461180
>you never see the guy do anything wrong
???

He literally does nothing but wrong. You first meet him while he is actively in the process of committing a wrong, even.
He was corrupted into doing wrong with his stupid Faustian bargain, obviously, but that doesn't make him a saint.

>>389453442
>there are people who finished HoS without realizing you can fight Olgierd
Seriously, one of the best fights in the game.

>>389461512
>fighting an immortal

To what end?

>>389461558
To slap his immortal shit

>>389453035
this
it makes you feel good because Dudu will take his place and make Novigrad a better place

>>389460847
100 hours later I'm pretty sure he's still up in the room with the woman tied up. Not sure if it's a glitch/oversight or the way it's supposed to be. Whenever I go back to that place he's still there.

>>389461679
>100 hours later I'm pretty sure he's still up in the room with the woman tied up.

so is whoreson

he's in that oxenfurt mannor the entire game with five dead women around him, I guess no one walked by and noticed the smell

>>389461785
>>389461679
Yeah, W3 has a lot of interesting quirks, like this eternal fistfight
https://track5.mixtape.moe/imgiqr.webm

>>389461512
How? The fight is part of the trailer. CDPR made you expect the fight.

>>389460847
what was the thought process behind this "choice"?

Like you would get so mad at someone torturing a woman you wouldn't let him even say a word? Didn't the brother customers and employees know he was there?

>>389457043
Me too.
Gaunter was a huge evil motherfucker

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I think something is fucking wrong with my signs
I used the piercing cold mutation but I deal like 500 damage instead of those supposed 5k I should do or I yet have to see one instant death by it.
Playing on DM NG+ because I went alchemy the first time and it was just retarded but the signs are feeling fucking useless

>>389462023
By not being a moralfag. You've gotta stop his men from killing that one dude the second time you go back, then you fight Olgierd for his life.

>>389460847
>murder mystery that might be interesting
>several characters tell you in the beginning it's a religious fanatic
>oh it's not this religious fanatic, it's the guy who's more fanatic but you never even thought he would be a religious fanatic, what a twist and his reasons are completely stupid and nonsensical this is your brain on religion

Honestly this quest sucked. The murder mystery detective quest in Witcher 1 was like several dozen times superior

>>389462321
I know but you still knew of the existance of the fight. So if you dont get the fight you could easily load a save.

>>389462023
>trusting a trailer

Must be nice, being so innocent

Also this ignores people who bought the game long after release when the DLC was bundled or discounted

>>389462424
Don't ask me, lad. I've seen several people online who are surprised when people talk about the Olgierd fight.

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>>389462050
Yes that was the """thought""" process. I mean have you seen the writers self inserts in this game?

>>389462570
>Also this ignores people who bought the game long after release when the DLC was bundled or discounted
What? Then you'd be extra certain that the fight existed wouldnt you? I dont understand your logic there.

>>389462017
>https://track5.mixtape.moe/imgiqr.webm
Hah, Zdenek. That guys in W1 and 2 as well. Looks more like Rasputin in those though.

who cares about used goods whores?

>>389462626
>I mean have you seen the writers self inserts in this game?
You don't even know any of the writers

>>389462745
Yeah I dunno why they thought it was a good idea to bring him back looking nothing like the W1 and W2 versions, and also to kill him off for no reason
Luckily that glitch keeps him alive forever, so he can finally live the life of punching he always wanted

>>389462570
Not CD Projekt's fault that you chose not to intervene

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>>389454895
>i share a board with people like this

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>>389462757
lead writer is a creepy beta looks just like this guy

>>389453442
Mirror man was a bastard and killed two innocent people in front of Geralt. Olgierd is just a poor stupid fuck who got in over his head. He deserved a second chance.

>>389462945
you're a real detective, huh. He must be a beta. Glad you solved the case.
ur breddy stubid :DDDD

>>389462678
>Then you'd be extra certain that the fight existed wouldnt you?

How so? You would never have even seen the trailer, and if you're avoiding spoilers you'd never even hear about the fight.
Heck this is the first mention I've seen of the fight in any 4chan thread in two years.

He fucked with Ciri. If you fuck with Ciri, you die.

>>389461134
And then there's stuff like Franz Stigler and Charles Brown. The curve goes both ways.

>>389455851
>my last quest was the talking roach quest
>"What are we going to do now Geralt? Hit the road, find a billboard and get some contracts?"
>"Exactly old friend"
>ride back to Corvo Bianco and slowly walk around once more before shutting the game off for good

Had so many feels

>>389463430
The problem is that the vast majority assimilate. The point is that the likely hood that you'd "evil" is far greater than you being a resistance fighter

>>389463593
You don't need to be a resistance fighter to not commit evil. The only evil you need to forebear is your own.

>>389453390
he goes blind too

geralt even mentions via narration that he would have just been better off dead

>>389463687
It was just an example. I'm not implying that a dichotomy exists where you can only do "evil" or be a resistance fighter. The fact is, you're statistically more likely to fall in line and commit "evil" deeds

>>389463862
Well there's a difference between falling in line with a supposedly overbearing regime that could see you casually commit morally reprehensible things and committing acts of unspeakable evil at the height of personal power. Most people fall in line because they see no other way to survive without doing so.

>>389464093
Sure, but the groundwork is there. You'd be surprised how fast people become monsters. The Stanford experiment is a great example of this. If you haven't already seen it, check it out

>>389463471
Which quest lets you talk to Roach? I seriously thought I'd done everything in B&W.

>>389452989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS7ymbnCFac

this was my favorite scene in any sidequest bar none

>>389464259
I know what the Stanford experiment was, but it was a singular experiment that wasn't repeated, not to mention that sufficiently educated person will resist such a thing as well unless he is morally bankrupt.

>>389464273
It's in a witches hut in the eastern part of the map, south of the river that runs through it

>>389464472
>but it was a singular experiment that wasn't repeated, not to mention that sufficiently educated person will resist such a thing as well unless he is morally bankrupt.
Again, you need not look further than Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, the Assyrians (in a manner of speaking) and so on. The experiment has been done constantly throughout history. Educated people also fall in line, as you saw with the above mentioned regimes.

Be careful not to think that you're beyond moral corruption. That's exactly the sort of sentiment that makes you corruptible

>>389464569
Thanks lad, will check it out.

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>>389464695
There were numerous people that resisted the regimes, which is why gulags and concentration camps were necessary. Dissidents had become so numerous that they required extermination or containment on an industrial scale. Majority fell in line because they lacked the education to fully understood the gravity of the situation in order to make a conscious choice. They understood neither how truly fragile the regime was nor how to resist it efficiently in case it happened. They were told that they were vulnerable and weak without those that lord over them and they believed it, becoming those things because of that.

I'm not a really good person and that's precisely what enables me to tell when assuming the worst about humanity becomes excessive. Or maybe I am just too prone to believe in the best in people. It earned me some good friends although my "good people" sonar is hardly without a flaw.

>>389464472
There was also another experiment done. Can't recall the name. A man is planted into a chair, and hooked up to a machine that gives him an electric shock. This shock comes whenever he answers a question wrong. This chair is, of course, fake. And there is no electricity hooked up to it. The man in the chair purposely gives the wrong answer.

The subject asking the questions and delivering the "shocks" continues to deliver shocks, even when the man is in pain. This is because there is a scientist nearby, an authority figure, in this situation. He keeps telling the subject that the experiment can't be stopped, so he has to keep shocking the man in the chair. The man in the chair begins to beg not to be shocked any further, but the vast majority of the subjects kept on shocking him.

I think it was about 90% of the subjects that kept giving shocks. They were told they couldn't stop, even though they certainly could, and so they fell in line

>>389464259
>The Stanford experiment is a great example of this

The Stanford Prison experiment has a lot of bias.
If you repeat the experiment twice, once with "come play prison with us" explicitly in the ad and the other with "please help us do some studies" or something similarly vague, the applicants to the explicit prison LARP will skew towards far nastier individuals

>>389465203
>There were numerous people that resisted the regimes
I'm not claiming otherwise. I'm stating that they are in the minority, by a huge margin
>which is why gulags and concentration camps were necessary.
This had more to do with the Soviet axioms. You didn't really need to be guilty, especially under Stalin's paranoia. Many of the gulags were filled with people the Soviets saw a subhumans. They needn't be guilty of any dissident
>they understood neither how truly fragile the regime was nor how to resist it efficiently in case it happened. They were told that they were vulnerable and weak without those that lord over them and they believed it, becoming those things because of that.
This sounds like a lot of guess work, Anon

>>389464421
Its absolutely dreadful that anyone used the masks on geralt, the facial animations are a major part of the dialogue system.

>>389465302
Yes, because people are taught to submit to authority figures otherwise punishment and ostracism awaits them. It's more of a social thing than an inherent dark beast hiding within the human soul.

>>389464421
wow this sounds really bad. I don't remeber it being this way

>Yes, because people are taught to submit to authority figures otherwise punishment and ostracism awaits them
So, you're agreeing with me?
>It's more of a social thing than an inherent dark beast hiding within the human soul.
How can you separate the two. Especially when such hierarchy is universal across human societies

>>389465535
Hardly guesswork, both regimes relied heavily on propaganda and their parties "leading the way" were always at the forefront. Leading the way to the future, to a brighter tomorrow, further towards greatness and so forth. When you have someone else, loud and powerful leading the way, it means you don't need to look for the path on your own anymore. It was also quite evident when the Soviet Union collapsed and generations of people were left without any idea what to do with their lives, because they became so used to the ever present governmental control and guidance.

>>389465753
This was for
>>389465593

>>389454632
Taking the flower is the right choice as it lets her finally die and be at peace. Taking the flower is the autistic ''I have a contract I need to fulfil'' option that keeps her in suffering.

>>389465830
But, dude, you're making my case for me. People are easily controlled, and even the people that know better rarely do anything

>>389465897
>Taking the flower
>Taking the flower

>>389465753
You can separate the two by using Occam's razor. The easiest and most "certain" path to survival, the path of least resistance is the driving force behind the natural process of evolution.

>>389465984
I'm not sure I understand what you mean, Anon. All society is based on human nature. That's why societies share the same traits, independent of each other, across the globe

>>389465942
But that would mean that it's not some sort of an "inherent evil", simply ruthless exploitation of misguided survival instincts in relatively young species that have achieved self consciousness by an accident. With sufficient education, these things can be overcome.

>>389453442

Gaunter's asshurt golfclap made it worth it.

>>389466148
>But that would mean that it's not some sort of an "inherent evil"
Agreed, That's why I always wrote "evil"
>With sufficient education, these things can be overcome.
Operable word being CAN. As I said, many of them also fall in line, even if they know better

>>389465538
Yeah, that sucks. The only one I thought about using was the vampire armour you get in B&W, but even then it didn't feel right.

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>>389466330
But that doesn't necessarily prove that the majority, if placed into a position of ultimate power, will chose to ruthlessly abuse it. It only proves that they will submit to someone stronger within a hierarchy.

>>389466624
>But that doesn't necessarily prove that the majority, if placed into a position of ultimate power, will chose to ruthlessly abuse it.
I'm not exactly arguing for this, just that people do wicked shit under such regimes. But, with that said, look at dictators and emperors and kings through out history. Do you think the majority were corrupted by their power, or were morally righteous with it.

Also, it doesn't have to be ultimate power. Any power will do. Give a man a uniform and a weapon, supplying him with authority, and he'll run a concentration camp for ya'. People are quick to abuse power. Power corrupts isn't a saying for laughs

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>>389453618
>get branded
>go change my hairstyle
>the brand somehow disappears and doesn't appear for the rest of the DLC for me

>>389466978
Majority of rulers were actually fairly reasonable, you only had a bunch of Neros and Caligulas throughout history. Of course they initiated regional conflicts to expand their influence or consolidate their power, but it is impossible reduce that to mere hunger for power.

>>389464730
Looking at the map now, it's north-east

>>389467283
>Majority of rulers were actually fairly reasonable
You might be right. Still, this isn't really the crux of my argument. It's more that the people that decide to follow Hitler and turn a blind eye to his regime's atrocities, are the majority of any population. History tells as much. And remember that I'm not arguing for what is sentimentally going on in the people that assimilate, but the actions they take

>>389467776
Most actually didn't know about the atrocities Hitler committed, only the Nazi party, SS and state officials did and those people were pretty much hand picket to assure that the thing goes on without leaks.

As for the actions the people take, motivation is the key, that's what separates the malicious from the ignorant.

>>389453442
O'Dimm punished him for being human and uttering a wish he didn't mean. Like someone in-game says, he grants what you wish for, not what you want. And, by nature, humans don't always know what they want readily available, much less so are they able to articulate it properly. So they'll end up wishing for things that'll hurt them. You're supposed to protect humans. Well, here you go, protect this one from his own foolishness, a foolishness characteristic for humanity, and from the malicious beast trying to use it to hurt hin.

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>>389453442
Here's an actually hard choice. Kill Dettlaff or no?

>tfw wanted to let him live but picked up the red ribbon because of questing and Gwent autism

>>389468293
>only the Nazi party, SS and state officials did and those people were pretty much hand picket to assure that the thing goes on without leaks.
VERY debatable. The term "There are no nazis in Germany" existed because after the war, very conveniently, there were suddenly not a single person in Germany that had been a nazi. Everyone denied it. They knew it was fucked.
>As for the actions the people take, motivation is the key, that's what separates the malicious from the ignorant.
Doesn't really change what I said.

You're very enjoyable to debate with, btw. Not a single insult thrown my way

>>389468667
>You're very enjoyable to debate with, btw. Not a single insult thrown my way
Why don't you ask him to go to a cheap motel with you so you can buttfuck?

>>389468667
Even if the regulars had known something was up, there was little they could do, what with the complete militarization of the country. And those that did, well, they got executed quietly by the secret police. To incite an open revolt in a heavily militarized country, something massive had to happen. And no such thing really did.

The actions people took were simply the most certain decisions that would lead to their security and survival.

I like debates, anon and you were cordial, so I was in turn.

>>389468969
who the fuck are you

>>389469191
*unsheathes prick*
Your worst nightmare.

>>389467530
Duly noted, thanks for the followup

>>389469191
A frustrated fourteen year old.

>>389453442
I thought O'Dimm would keep me aboard his ruse cruise if I didn't let him have Olgierd's soul, so sadly no.

>>389468636
I killed him, but I didn't feel very good about it. While it wasn't his fault, he was being manipulated and was pretty fucking crazed. Plus I was kind of horrified to read those journal entries in the old vampire prison, written by the human cattle, so I kind of took some petty revenge out on Detlaff. Afterwards I felt sorta dirty about it, but IIRC, my nigga Regis said Detlaff had to die anyway.

>>389453442
I let Olgierd die. He wrestled with powers beyond his control and deserved to pay the consequences. I didn't take any reward from O'Dimm though.

>>389452989
It really doesn't. When does it do that? I felt great about killing him in all my playthroughs.

>>389469147
>Even if the regulars had known something was up, there was little they could do, what with the complete militarization of the country.
That's exactly what leads to nazi Germany, I suppose. Regardless of the reason, they're still at fault. But I completely understand why one would think like this. I'd do the same, no doubt. Self-preservation tends to make such regimes possible
>to incite an open revolt in a heavily militarized country, something massive had to happen. And no such thing really did.
But you have to remember that the military and secret police are also people that assimilated. If people did not follow Hitler, than a revolt would not be needed, since the military would already be on their side, if you get my drift.

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>>389469616
>mfw I was so autistic about it, I let him kill Olgierd, then I didn't even accept a reward from him, because I saw that as him doing something for me, and then he'd own me like he did Olgierd

>>389453442
I save him everytime because I want the silver sword from the nightmare sequence but I prefer not saving him as a choice.

Nothing to do with the rewards O'Dimm offers and whatnot. See, the way I figure it, Geralt has things to do. Hearts Of Stone as a whole he just a messy affair he got caught up in while trying to make a living. I don't particularly like or dislike Olgierd but I'm gonna go messing with a being that might or might not be literal God(or the Devil) for him.

As Geralt, I think it's correct to just want to be rid of the whole mess. ESPECIALLY, if you go on HoS before finishing vanilla campaign.

>>389452989
>game make you feel bad about killing him

Are you retarded? I felt great about killing him, plus at the end of the game your doppler friend assumes his identity which prevents him from being killed and he also helps you and Ciri out. So fuck you and your retarded assertion. Try actually playing the game next time. Cunt.

>>389469763
Hitler's ascension was possible because his party engineered a situation where them coming into power was displayed as the only viable solution to the problem Germany faced. I doubt it would have been possible if they came out with every single policy the intended to implement at the very beginning. It also produced tangible results, lifted the country out of one of the most historically severe economical downturns and earned the trust and support of common people. Most people were simply doing their job for the good of the state, even those that captured those prisoners or executed them. Belief that it was done for the good of their country or their families could be a very important part in this.

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>>389454895

Just parry him bro.

>>389453029
what's the LP? is it any good (i.e. cringy commentary/etc)?

>>389469674
>literally geneocides an entire town and an orphanage and then murders four people.
>h..he did nothing wrong!

Fuck Detcuck. He's a piece of shit and getting cucked is no excuse to go on an autistic rampage. I fucked his shit up.

>>389468636
Couldn't kill him because he reminded me of myself too much.