Do you think it will ever get better again? Fallout 4 was such

No,it's done. Fallout will be never be good again. Fallout 4 sold fantastic and got praised by every gaming critic despite the fact that it's s shit game. Bethesda has a retarded drone fanbase that will consider every game they make to be great since they have extreme brand loyalty and all gaming critics will continue to worship them. Fallout is finished. Unless they allow some other studio to make another game,then don't bother getting your hopes up

>>389447325

>call of duty money

i don't know what this means because the average person stopped caring about call of duty back when GTA V came out

Unless Bethesda sells the IP, no

I'm not asking for a perfect fallout 5, just one that is kind to the modding community.

Same with the elder scrolls. Just make it mod-friendly and don't force any sjw bullshit and we will all be cool as cucumbers.

>>389447470
That makes me so fucking sad.
>>389447672
Basically the money of all those call of duty kids. By default making the game brain dead and simple so it would sell more.

>>389447325
It was done when FO3 received rave reviews. I'm really happy that we live in a timeline that even got New Vegas, it feels like such a perfect last chapter in a wonderful little trilogy. Sure another Obsidian Fallout would be great if they make SPECIAL mean something again and split Perks/Traits again but that won't happen. I'm glad New Vegas even happened and turned out as the masterpiece it is even with such strict deadlines. The real problem isn't fanbase though it's the critics. I don't know if moneys involved or they're just too stupid to see real effort when it's presented to them.

I don't see what direction Fallout can go in while in Bethesda's hands. The next game will just be a generic location with Super Mutants, Scorpions, and Deathclaws thrown in for no reason with wacky 50's bullshit that completely misses the original Fallout's aesthetic. The series would need to have a reboot as well, Fallout 1 was a harsh post-apocalyptic world, while Fallout 2 was the wild west, and by that logic the world should be completely civilized and on the path to being rebuilt 20 years after New Vegas.

Hold on guys, the GOTY version comes at 26th

>>389447325
The mainline open world FPS-RPG games won't get any better, casuals like it the way it is, best you can hope for is a spinoff series with different gameplay but hopefully more roleplaying elements.

Probably wasting time asking here but is there fix somewhere for when shooting projectile weapons I.E. anything that isn't energy based to not fucking stutter the fps down to 4-10 fps from a stable 50 otherwise, I've been searching for a fix for fucking months the game is literally unplayable with certain builds like this, and I don't have a fucking clue why energy based weapons are not affecting the fps like this either.

>>389447470

Not to mention Bethseda jew'd Obsidian hard on New Vegas. metacritic was at 84 1 point off from the bonus they would have received for their work. Combine that with what we have learned over the years about corruption in game journalism and I would be willing to bet my left testicle that Bethseda bribed the "official" critics on metacritic.

Fallout as a franchise will never return to what it once was.

I can't think of any reason why would they bring back deeper RPG mechanics for TESVI or F5 out of the blue when the simple mention of these games releases causes a flock of normies to get rabid on social media while their gfs make them cakes for the day of release.

>>389447325
So you would like it go back to the shitty style that led to it becoming a dead franchise?
No I do not think that is a good idea.

I spent 6 hours nodding the game and then deleting it right after.
I thought mods could fix it but no amount of fan expansions will fix that god awful feeling I get when I play this game.
Now I just use it to make porn.

>>389447812
We all know that won't happen.

It'll come with the creation club packed in

>>389449437
When did I ever say that?

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>>389447325
Will it get better?
Yes but it will never be like fallout 1 and 2 again.

Fallout 4 was todd trying something new. He even admited that some of the ideas (like voiced mc) weren't the best idea. I expect f5 to closer to fallout 3. Every game they try and shake things up a bit and some thing work and some don't. I have faith in todd.

>>389449437
That "shitty style" didn't kill the franchise you faggot. Fallout Brotherhood of Steel was an action oriented game with barely any RPG mechanics made to appeal to dudebros and normies and it killed the franchise along with PC gaming dying off for consoles which killed Van Buren F3.

>>389447325
just be happy we got NW.

>>389447325
no, fallout is going to be relegated to testing and developing mechanics for TES games. i guarantee you the weapon crafting system and settlement system will return in TES VI, slightly improved and slightly better. beth doesn't give a shit about fallout and that should be obvious from what they gave us in fallout 4. they should honestly stop marketing their games as RPGS. there's more money in just calling it an create a character action adventure game with loot.

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>>389447325
It sold like hotcakes and Bethesda is trendy, so Fallout will be back and it will be from Bethesda yet again.

Todd has publicly said that the dialogue system was a mistake as that was basically the only thing that even normies hated about the game, so it's possible that we'll go back to old style dialogue since it's more difficult and expensive to do voiced and it was an unpopular feature anyway. Other than that, though, there's another more insidious issue.

That's the crafting and the settlement building. Nobody complained about that, not to the point where it was noticeable anyway. In fact many people praised it despite it being early access survivalcraft game shit instead of Fallout. That will continue to grow and strengthen as a feature and ultimately become a staple of the franchise's gameplay because normies EAT it up.

That comvined with the skill system becoming a straightforward upgrade path and SPECIAL being lobotmized, Fallout is well on it's way to becoming a very successful open world survivalcraft shooter series, and the worst part is that it'll be met with loud applause from the world each time as old fallout becomes a memory and in time even Fallout 3 will seem like "true" Fallout compared to what will be coming next.

problem is, fallout 4 was incredibly successful. so bethesda are going to say to themselves "streamlining our game series worked so well before, so why dont we just streamline TES more than we already have?"

Am I the only one on here that actually liked the fact that you have the option to finally max out all your special stats on fallout 4 meanwhile the rest of the fallput franchise you were forced with whatever special stats you have from point out?

>>389451710
Yes because you're a casual. It's an RPG, not a first person shooter. You're creating a character with natural strengths, weaknesses, flaws not a self-insert killing machine

>>389451710
What's the point of the stats if you just end up maxing everything

>>389451710
you could always get pretty close in 3/NV thanks to bobbleheads/implants.

No, it will never recover and I don't even wanna know what they'll do to the next Elder Scrolls.

>>389451710
You could max your SPECIAL in 3 by taking Almost Perfect and then collecting all the bobbleheads.

>>389447470
I hate this industry. I hate the normalfag and their taste.

>>389451864
Because to me it always bugged the fuck out of me when i can max my intelligence but I'm just a weak nerdy faggot and instead max my strength but I'm just a strong retard in the game.

I like the special system in fallout four because no longer I'm penalized for having a specific stats set because I can always increase one of my special stats when I feel like it (If I have a point to add on that is)

Game still sucks though but the special stats was the only thing redeemable on the game.

>>389451923
Which took way to fucking long and it was a chore as fuck to keep up on in what orders and shit you have to do to just get to that shit and by the time you already have you are almost done with the game so it drains the fun out of you fast.

I use a mod on my new vegas or any fallout games that maxes all my special stats if I knew how to mod and my pc wasn't broken.

>>389452286
I have to work myself back up on playing that game again but I'm basically burn out from all fallout games by this point.

>>389450240
>I expect f5 to closer to fallout 3
Fallout 3 was awful though.

>Every game they try and shake things up a bit
If by "shake things up" you mean simplify and limit the ways you can interact with the world then you're spot on.

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>>389452534
>I like the special system in fallout four because no longer I'm penalized for having a specific stats set because I can always increase one of my special stats when I feel like it (If I have a point to add on that is)
>I use a mod on my new vegas or any fallout games that maxes all my special stats if I knew how to mod and my pc wasn't broken.

>>389452534
Players like you are why this series is shit now.

>>389452569
Eat shit, NMAfag

>>389452746
>>389452760
OH WELL EXCUSE ME for wanting to be able to unlike special dialogues in those fallout games with maxed special stats and have nothing bugging me on my mind anymore about my permafixed stats that can't be changed anymore in the old fallout games.

At least fallout four allwed you to max your special stats but it isn't like your forced to max it out though.

You special snowflake bitch.

>>389452927
>UNLOCK

Fucking typo

>>389452927
>Heaven forbid my player character has any strengths or weaknesses! He should be perfect at everything!

>>389453243
Only special snowflakes like you would enjoy that.

>>389453423
>special snowflake
what did you mean by this

>>389447325

FO4 was substantially better than FO3 and NV. Stop being an underage faggot who desperately wants to fit in on /v/.

>>389453475
Because you like the old special stats that panelized you for having a specific stat sets on your special system and no way of correcting it.

I like the new one because i can correct it along the way in the game without worries of it being a permanent set special stats.

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>>389447325
No. Just like Elder Scrolls, Bethesda has now tasted how much more money they can make by turning it into a shitty dumb action shooter and they will never go back because they have no reason to (from a business perspective).

>>389452927
>You special snowflake bitch.
Lmao it's like you're proud of being the representitive member of the lowest common denominator that bethesda is trying to reach with their new games

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>>389453868
Then you are an FPS faggot who doesn't like RPGs and you are the cancer killing RPGs.
>waaaah I don't want to have to build my character! let me do everything!
I bet you tried to play Fallout 1 once, gave your character like 3 perception and intelligence and then went "WOOOOW WHY IS MY GUY DUMB? HE CAN'T EVEN HIT ANYTHING"

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>>389453535
low quality bait but ill give a (you) anyway

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>>389453868
>Because you like the old special stats that panelized you for having a specific stat sets on your special system and no way of correcting it.
>I like the new one because i can correct it along the way in the game without worries of it being a permanent set special stats.
I don't think these games are really your cup of tea, desu.

>>389451421
>tfw SPECIAL is dead
it was a fucking great replacement for GURPS and now they killed it, what a waste

>>389447325
Depends what you disliked about 4. I thought that except for the set in stone background and the voiced protag, the game was solid. Sure you could write a better story but at least it was so much better than 3

>>389455515
Combat and graphics wise, yes, but all the other game mechanics were much worse than in 3 from just the basic structure of character building and dialogue that make any mod larger scale than a mesh or texture replacer completely pointless, so it doesn't even act as a good platform for big mods as well as previous Bethesda games.

It's the kind of game you would buy on console and play once. I don't play those kinds of games at all.

>>389455515
>except for the set in stone background and the voiced protag
You can't ignore those that easily. You know something is bad when even Todd admits it was shit.

>>389447325
No one cares about your Obsidian Fall out.

It was fucking terrible and the map was fucking dull, empty and small.

>>389456416
>the other game mechanics
What, like special being worthless, unlike in New Vegas were not only you had implants but also the Intense Training perk-10 times?

>so it doesn't even act as a good platform for big mods as well as previous Bethesda games.
There still are some fun mods out there, I don't get this point

>It's the kind of game you would buy on console and play once
You can still replay it for the different factions at the very least, which yeah, give you the same quests, except you're doing them for different factions but again, the same can be said about New Vegas.

>>389457117
My point was that these were the things that ruined the game for me, and Todd confirmed he won't pull that kind of shit again, so I might actually enjoy 5

>>389447325
New Vegas wasn't that good, mainly because of the engine.
Obsidian did understand better what was Fallout, point is they just built around what was done for VB.

>>389448231
t. Todd "Fuse" Howard

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The game was rigged from the start.

>>389447470
The metacritic score is only 84 though and Todd did say something about not using the maybe the voiced mc in the next game (can't remember the source for this) So we still have a bit of hope

>>389457619
>they just built around what was done for VB.
Source? Because I don't believe it.

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>skills are gone, possibly forever
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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The fact that the majority of discussion in these threads is about new vegas and not fallout 1 and 2 doesn't make me angry, it's just a dissapointment. That the people who are so upset with the fallout games have really only played the "mediocre step brother" to the series and not the only 2 that count. I don't even get it, fallout 1 and 2 are some of the easier crpgs of the time.

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>>389447325
Nope. Bethesda became permanently bootyblasted by the fact that Obsidian made the superior fallout game, and they'll never let anyone else make an entry in the series, for fear of Bethesda getting upstaged.

Fallout, as with TES, will become nothing more than shallow sandbox bullshit to romp around, collect loot, and shoot things while meandering around aimlessly.

>>389452927
By your writing style it's fairly obvious you're an underage b&.

MODS

>>389458347
fucking this fallout 1 and 2 are probably the easiest of the top-tier crpgs

Fallout:
>Love child of Tim Cain and a bunch of dudes working without pay; Tim Fargo is a massive jew and only supports the game at the last minute for that sweet slice of pie

Fallout 2:
>Original team kicked out of Interplay, Fargo owns the rights and doesn't give a fuck
>Give design responsibilities to a fuckboi everyone in the original team disliked
>Ruins the franchise

After 2:
>deadhorse.png

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>>389458347
I don't think it gets any better anon. The underage tend to ruin everything.
>>389458482
I can understand people not being able to play things like arcanum and wizardry, but fucking fallout 1 and 2? there are unironically people stuck in the fucking tutorial temple, and people who complain about the 100 days time limit.

>>389458509
This seems to be the fate of all good vidya developers. Same basic story with id software, as well as Bethesda themselves. Used to be tiny teams of passionate enthusiasts putting their hearts and souls into their games. Then they strike big, sell out, and become these huge soulless megacorporations that are nothing but bureaucracy and focus tests.

>>389458410
>Nope. Bethesda became permanently bootyblasted by the fact that Obsidian made the superior fallout game, and they'll never let anyone else make an entry in the series,
It's not because of that, it's because they've acquired all the dev teams they needed to develop every franchise in-house.

>>389458583
yeah i can understand people not able to play might and magic and wizardy,even arcanum is pretty fucking easy

>>389458583
I can see both sides of the argument when it comes to the time limit. On one hand, it's actually really fucking hard to not beat the game within the time limit. When I played FO, I'm pretty sure I did every possible quest, and I still ended up beating it with plenty of time left.

HOWEVER, you don't actually know that when you start the game. You don't know the time limit actually doesn't matter that much, because the whole game is unknown to you. So it FEELS like you have this weight around your neck. And I can see how the very concept of a time limit runs counter to the notion of an open-ended RPG with tons to see and explore.

>>389458764
They made a 3d fallout game with three, so why then did they give Obsidian a shot at NV? They clearly had the in-house capability then. They got blown out anon, that's why they'll never outsource a game to another studio ever again.

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>>389458870
Yeah it's pretty funny. I thought the time limit was going to constrict me to death so I barreled through side content and I was already at the master in about 5 hours and holy shit I just beat the game what the fuck.

>>389458764
It's not mutually exclusive. We all know damn well that Bethesda is pissed at Obsidian at making the better game (and then not capitulating to their metacritic and buyout scheme)

>>389447325
Black Isle is dead long ago.

>>389458940
Precisely. It's the same sort of phenomenon in RPGs where you get a super-powerful weapon or item with limited uses, and it's so good that you never want to use it because you're always saving it for something later on, and then you end up beating the game with all these powerful items/weapons that you never actually bothered to use.

>>389459017
Wasn't Obsidian founded by a bunch of former BI devs?

>>389458509
Fallout 2 was really a terribly written game. Suddenly the little backwoods shithole Shady Sands that was in the middle of a desert became a massive Nation within 80 years for no reason, people had reverted back into stone age hunter gatherers after just 200 years, and the United States government still exists and they are evil right wing fascists that want to put a deadly virus into the jet stream just because white people are racist and evil and they get killed by some caveman retard.

It's a liberals wet dream.

>>389459131
except this time they were out to make some money.

If they really did care about what people wanted, they wouldn't have made casualized messes like tyranny and fallout new vegas. Even PoE is pretty fucking casual in comparison to what they were trying to mimic.

>>389458509
>>389458657
>>389459207
shitting on fallout 2 for having too many pop culture redfences is some of the funniest fucking shit. if you guys were sentient and not fucking womb warriors when the game came out part of the fucking appeal was the humor and nerd culture references. it wasn't a mainstream reddit thing back then. I thought it was super cool that the game had shit I found funny in it as a teenager back then.

>>389459434
I didn't mention pop culture references once in my post though. There are so many stupid leftist overtones in Fallout 2, while Fallout 1 didn't play into real world politics at all.

>>389459601
>stupid leftist overtones
i didn't know being against mass murder was a leftist overtone. the ncr are commies now?

>>389447325
No more Super mutants or power armours EVERYWHEREtm.
No more factions coming back BECAUSEtm
No more hurr west so WESTERNtm (fuck theme parks)
No more songs or radio stations or combat music, 50s or anything else, keep it fucking AMBIENT. (see brian eno)
No more idiotic vidya industry... oh...

>>389459601
Oh fuck off you triggered little snowflake.

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>>389459836
>completely misunderstanding what anon posted
leftists have one track bug minds but come on

>>389459601
Nice moronic bait.

>>389459836
The point he's making is about the Enclave (American gov't) being portrayed as a bunch of comically-insane psychopaths who want to gas 6 gorillion inhabitants of the west coast.

Now, I don't particularly mind it or think it's a big deal, but the overtones are present.

>>389457876
That's because it'll only have two dialogue options.

>Nod
>Shake head

>>389459207
>being this underage

>>389451710
Yeah, I get you. I mean, why the fuck would anyone want to build a certain type of character in a genre that revolves around creating and building different characters?

no because fallout 4 was the most popular in the franchise. everyone loved it, only 4chan hated it. games like fallout are dead and dying because they're prehistoric as fuck.

>>389458410
>muh obsidian's new vegas
You aren't any better than bethesdiots.
See the correlation with the console war and plebians fucking eachothers.

>>389460121
thats part of the story though, it's a parody of what people thought americans were like in the 60s. Have you played the fallout 3 dlc? I don't mind it all because it's f u n n y and interesting, and I don't get triggered. The game was made by americans after all, self aware humor is good.

>>389447672
oh yeah, that is why WW2 is showing record viewer numbers on twitch.

>>389460907
except for adressing a single word from his post, you didnt really refute the point he made.
Any chance that his post made you somewhat mad, far above any reasonable measure?

>>389447812
>implying all future bethesda games arent going to have paid mods and they arent only doing it for fallout 4 to get the shitstorm out of the way now

>>389447325
I've never touched Fallout 1 or 2, should I give either of them a go?

>>389461691
Yes, first 1 then 2

>>389461057
In the 60s we also had blatant communists and socialists running amok spreading said autism while completely ignoring the brutality of the soviet union and other communist states. Leftist are cancer

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>>389461960
So we can't joke about it because communist were an actual thing? You're like the same person who complained about 9/11 or michael jackson jokes back in 09.

>>389461929
Which one would you say in better?

>>389461960
>while completely ignoring the brutality of the soviet union
The public didn't actually know how brutal the Soviet Union was until much later, though. Most everything was presented straight from the US government, who also got involved in two pointless wars in Asia, so not everyone trusted them.
It turned out they were right, but still.

I'm going to post the Metacritic review

>>389461691
Keep your expectations low and check a guide for character creation. Almost all of the skills are useless and many perks are trap options, but good luck figuring that out on your own without having played the game beforehand.

>>389461618
>answer to obsifag
>get a second one for free
umad?

>>389452927
>OH WELL EXCUSE ME for wanting an impervious perfect character so the game series that is notorious for being good for character depth and multiple playthroughs can hold my hand

Go fuck off and play Mass Effect, you're the reason this series is garbage now.

>inb4 you try to swing this as you baiting like every underaged faggot of your type does