Why do people think Miyazaki = Souls? Miyzaki came to Demon's

Because the GOOD parts of Demon's Souls were Miyazaki's decisions

It's because Demon's Souls was already written off as a failure project so he had more free reign to change it to fit his vision.

>>389441128
Because Dark Souls is best Souls.
And Bloodborne is better.

>>389441335
You cannot defend Dark Souls' back half.

>>389441335
"Bloodborne is the best" meme needs to die

>>389441396
you wish it was a meme

Miyazaki is the Dark Souls of game directors.

>>389441396
Either DeS or BB is best and to be fair, BB doesn't have Item Burden.

>>389441335
Dark Souls has the worst combat in all 5 games aside from Dark Souls 2, and even then you could debate it.
It also does basically nothing better than any of the other games aside from it's world interconnection.

ENB didn't say anything specifically but he said that he did contribute a lot more to Souls games than people assumed even from a director.

>>389441365
>half
It's more like a third and Duke's Archives and New Londo are, for the most part, inoffensive albeit pretty short. Tomb of the Lost Giants is pretty bad and Demon Ruins/Lost Izalith is downright awful but anyone with sense just goes to the DLC area after Ornstein and Smough and ends the game with Manus rather than Gwyn.

Game is a literal 10/10 if you do it that way.

>this thread

WTF? I hate Mizayaki now. What a hack.

Tell us about Studio Japan

>>389441648
>but anyone with sense just goes to the DLC area after Ornstein and Smough and ends the game with Manus rather than Gwyn.
"If you cut the mediocre/bad content it's great"
That's not how it works, especially when DeS' content was so consistent.

>>389441128
Didn't Miyazaki make Tower of Latria by himself as to show his capabilities?

>>389441165
>Because the GOOD parts of Demon's Souls were Miyazaki's decisions

Explain?

>>389441648
Why the fuck would you not end the game with Gwyn? He's literally the best final boss of the series, depending on if you count Gehrman as a last boss

>>389441757
All the good parts of Souls games were Miyazaki, while all the bad parts were the B-team trying to do things on their own. This is why Dark Souls 2 sucks, because it was made entirely by the B-team.

This is standard Souls meta lore. Did you even watch Vaati's coverage?

>>389441128
>Miyazaki
Because he was the one who got promoted and subsequently is a reason why a lot of the older talent left the company in protest.

If you've ever thought to yourself (man I miss PS2 era where FROM literally pushed the launch of the console by themselves)

This is his fault.

>>389441479

And DeS doesn't have frenzy.

>>389441757
The difficulty, the lack of music outside of boss fights, boss fight concepts, etc.

>>389441831
Frenzy was never that bad IMHO senpai

>>389441539
How is it worse from DeS? It's the same or a bit more polished
>>389441335
This

>>389441862

Neither was item burden outside of 2-2 since it had a gorillion 5 lb rocks.

>>389441832
>the lack of music outside of boss fights
I think they just forgot to program the music in, seeing as there are unused musical scores, and a few areas do play background music. Maybe it has something to do with broken triggers, like the one in the Ash Lake.

>>389441809
Nashandra?

>>389441713
AotA is very consistent with the Artorias, Kalameet and Manus fights being some of the best in the series. It's also roughly the same length as retrieving the four Lord Souls so it works out nicely.

Pic related is genuinely a 10/10.

DeS is also not consistent Stonefang 2 and Valley of Defilement 2 are not fun at all, those are both Demon Ruins tier.

>>389441830
>why a lot of the older talent left the company in protest.
>This is his fault.

What is his fault?

>>389441929
Nashandra was boring and terrible

>>389441919
What areas play background music other than The Nexus? I can't recall any.

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>>389441960
Forgot pic.

>>389441960
Stonefang 2 is fucking great, it has so much exploration in it vertically and horizontally. Flamelurker's a tough boss yeah but it's a great zone.
Valley 2 is fine as well, just as immersive as Latria.

>>389441832
>the lack of music outside of boss fights
This isn't something new to From Software games.

>>389441919
They chose not to include it. Ash Lake is just a special area like the upper cathedral ward.

>>389441982
https://youtu.be/mtf-2nz6je4

>>389442121
You fucking moron we're talking about Demon's Souls

>>389441960
If AotA wasn't a DLC, and From included what they had into the original game, how rushed would it have been?

>>389441960
>stonefang 2
>bad
what the hell?

>valley of defilement 2
sounds like someone got his head bashed in by one too many trolls

>>389442107
>Ash Lake is just a special area
Unless you aren't looking at the sky.

That's the point. This is From we're talking about. It's nigh impossible to tell what was an intentional decision, and what's down to simple incompetence.

>>389441960
Stonefang 2 generously allows you to skip pretty much the entire thing just by heading right and jumping down the hole at the start. It's a kind level.

>>389442082
I mean the only From games I've played outside of Souls are Armored Core and Evergrace and both have a ton of music.

It honestly outstands me people genuinely think des is the best, bosses were horribly programmed and besides latria every other level was forgettable,the whole experience is really short too and runs like shit whenever an explosion or dragon flys overhead

>>389441396
>Best music with superb real recorded instruments instead of sampled garbage like the Dark Souls games.
>Best enemies that are hideous and strong.
>Best atmosphere -- no question.
>Best weapons and movesets where you frequently make use of many more moves than any other game.
>Best combat; quick and responsive with razor-sharp controls, unlike DkS1/2 that are sloppy joe.
>Best bosses aside from potentially DkS3.
>Consistent level design, arguably best-in-series aside from pockets of other games.
>Complete and more satisfying narrative than all 3 Dark Souls games and 6 DLCs put together.
>Dodge > Roll.
>Beast/Kin > Dragon (lol).
>No fucked-up mechanics or balance; no poise, no soul memory, no world tendency, no BS spam, no R1 infinites, no no ranged shitting on the entire game, etc.

The game has plenty of flaws (bell maidens, some stinker bosses, gems and lost/uncanny being boring, chalices are too long and repetitive) sure, but it shits all over the other games without breaking a sweat and is either best or 2nd best in every meaningful category.

>>389441648
>Duke's
>inoffensive
it's long as fuck, full of shitty hollow enemies with inflated stats, contains the only forced death in the game, and requires you to walk on invisible floors
at least you can skip the worst of lost izalith and it's a short area even if you don't

>>389442040
>just as immersive as Latria.

No way, valley was just a shitty swamp while latria went from a huge prison to exploring some weirdly shaped ruins

>>389442229
>DkS3
>good bosses
you can open air parry against most bosses in the game and cause an input based response. DkS3 boss design is a joke. It's like somewhere between DS1 and BB From just gave up.

>>389442208
>besides latria every other level was forgettable
You didn't play it.
>>389442229
Demon's Soundtrack is undeniably better than Bloodborne's.

>>389442146
What's the difference?

>>389442203
Both shadow tower games had no music.

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>>389442229
>Witch of Hemwick
>Micolash
>Celestial Emissary
>Darkbeast Paarl (can literally stun lock it the whole fight)
>Rom
>One Reborn
>Cleric Beast

>Best bosses

>>389442302
Valley was a swamp civilization based around Astraea's cult, while also having a lot of free exploration. IDK dude I found it incredibly interesting to play through.

>>389442349
Rom is a great fight tbqh senpai

>>389442349
Rom is a good boss. People have no spatial awareness.

>>389441831
What's the problem with frenzy?
Did you get stuck in Mensis not knowing where to go or something?
Saying Frenzy is bad is the same as saying world 5 from DeS and swamp areas in DaS are too.

>>389442352
You uh. You're a bit mistaken my man. That civilization existed before she came there. And she's a saint, not some cult leader. She's even only down there to help the sickly ill and she's only a demon because she found out just watch exactly "God" was.

>>389442352
That doesn't mean anything, i was bored exploring there and none of the enemies place there were interesting to fight and had the worst bosses out of all the worlds. I spent hours in latria compared to that boring ass valley.

>>389442349
Why do people constantly pretend micolash was a bad boss?

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>>389442441
>Swamp areas
>Good

Let us all appreciate the demonic soundtrack of Demon's Souls

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiVSF2AAhkqf10qhf9S9Oq7ICc0ufiEFI

>>389441128
Because DeS was such a failure internally that they gave it to a literally who at the company and he turned it all around.

>>389442304
DS1 had mostly terrible bosses compared to later games because they hadn't fully fleshed out their design aside really from Sif having 2 stages. Even the best ones like Manus and Artorias are simple compared to even mid-tier BB/DkS3 bosses.
>>389442314
Almost everyone's favorite track is the shitty Astrea harpsichord loop with like 2 cello intervals... It's terrible and repetitive compared to actual motif changes in Living Failures or Ludwig

>>389441128
The game was completely reworked from the ground up by miyazaki because it was a failing project dumbass. Before him it was going to be a first person oblivion clone.

>>389442567
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMphk_j27yw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFjotdhdBLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Xv0mJkHpw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mwkyH1aUU8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn7dW6xCMXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ESqvGzdnvs

>>389442567
Living Failures is in its own tier above all other game music.

>>389442673
You forgot the best one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTT4di20FtU

>>389442349
Okay. Now look at DeS:
It has Flamelurker, Maneaters, and False King. Every other boss is shit and even the 3 good bosses would be "low-tier" compared to crazy shit like Martyr, Gherman, Laurence, etc.
DkS:
Manus, Artorias, O&S, Kalameet. Every other boss is shit and even the good bosses would be "low-tier" compared to crazy shit like Martyr, Gherman, Laurence, etc.
DkS2:
Alonne, Fume, and a couple of the other DLC bosses are actually good. Too bad the other 25 or so are terrible.

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sup fuckers
here's a huge DeS art album I have been working on for a few years. I need to fix it up and delete some dupes because I had to remake it.

http://imgur.com/a/eSXdv/layout/grid

>>389442706
Nobuyoshi Suzuki, absolute mad man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALbVEmzY5S4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BncJ1yX-BgQ

>Demon's Souls
>Dark Souls
>Bloodborne

What's next for From?

>>389442673
>>389442770
All these suck dongs compared to Laurence, Living Failures, Ludwig, etc. Being runner-up isn't so bad lads.

>>389442847
Why did they have him on the worst boss?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20XREf55X9E

>>389442509
Micolash wasn't a good boss either

>>389441968
the success of from soft

>>389442786
Ok but if we're looking at the base game the only god tier fights for Bloodborne are Logarius and Gehrman, maybe throw in Ebrietas since I kind of liked her fight. Meanwhile Dark Souls 3 has Twin Princes, Pontiff, Abyss Watchers, Nameless King and Soul of Cinder.

>>389441128
Because when he came in the project was such a mess he was basically allowed do whatever the fuck he wanted with it, and that's how we got the best game on the PS3.

Who are the best composers who have worked with From?

>>389441396
It will die when a new sony exclusive souls game is released. Just the way "DeS>>>DaS>DaS2" meme dies out after bloodborne. (and after PCfags actually played DeS on emu and it was meh)

>>389442946
He got shafted in Bloodborne too, One Reborn is a terrible fight but it has one of the best tracks from an already god tier OST, at least he got Ludwig for the DLC.

FROM's next OST needs to be scored between him and Yuka Kitamura.

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Post your face when you heard this for the first time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuHzagjqOLU

>>389441706
They are more talented than 90% of the developers working at From Soft with the exception of Miyazaki himself, but they lack vision on their own. They would be perfect if Miyazaki was hired as their lead game director and Sony gave him full creative freedom like with Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Games etc

>>389441809
>Best final boss of the series
>meets the parry king
gg

>>389442928
They really don't though, Bloodborne's soundtrack doesn't go far enough because Kitamura adheres too much to classical style.

>>389442229
add ">no PvP" and you are golden

>>389443078
Doesn't Sony own Miyazaki now that his contract with Bandai is complete (3 dark souls games)?

>>389442509
How the fuck is Micolash not a bad boss? He's just a hunter with a lot of health and arcane running around a maze. Visually he's as bland as it gets and mechanically one of the shallowest enemies in the entire game, not to mention how easy it is to abuse his weaknesses.

The only reason people remember him is his dialog which has become a cheap meme. Besides that there's absolutely nothing good about him.

>>389442978
Both Ptumerians and Abhorrent Beast in the Chalices, and Gascoinge too.
Either way, I think BB is the best/2nd and comparable to DkS3 even if DkS3 has less turbo-stinkers and higher quality overall, BB's just ooze more atmosphere and are more fun even if they can be janky.

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>>389443069
when I got killed by the bagman and taken there the first time I felt like a fucking kid again. The sense of fear and wonderment that event and area gave me...it was something I have not felt in years. GODDAMN do I love Bloodborne.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUH_ylcOSrc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9zxXN1rx0

Gehrmans theme is god tier along with his fight, and is one of the best videogame soundtracks ever. It's even better when you know what the lyrics of the song mean

>>389443196
No, From was bought out by Kadokawa. Not sure why they'd need to partner with anyone considering their success. They do have a contract with Sony for 2 more games. One being a VR title, they're also listed as a Nintendo Switch partner.

>>389443306
My nigga, I got spoiled on most shit before playing BB but I had no idea that was going to happen.

>>389443112
He may not be the hardest, but I still think he's the best. The atmosphere and music and what the fight represents is great

>>389443326
>It's even better when you know what the lyrics of the song mean
Well, what do they mean?

>>389443121
BB's is more dynamic and bombastic, and DeS's is just too dull and repetitive in comparison.

>>389443306
>>389443306
>The sense of fear and wonderment that event and area gave me...it was something I have not felt in years

How are From good at this?

>>389443284
I'll give you Gascoigne, I forgot him about myself and I also think between both base games that Logarius is my favorite fight even though I think collectively DaS3 has BB beat. He requires you to stay on your feet regardless of what range you're at with him making him one of the fastest paced bosses in the whole series, he is susceptible to parry cheese but if you don't do that then it's a 10/10 fight.

The presentation alone is amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-pqTo66qaY

>>389443424
https://youtu.be/9wZuOoYimI4

here

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>>389443548
>Tonight, Gehrman joins the hunt.

>>389441128
>>389441165
>>389441757
>>389441832
The biggest thing Miyazaki did for Souls was apply his sociology degree to the multiplayer and invent the invasion/co-op/pseudo mmorpg feel of the online functions in the game.

If you disagree, you're wrong and dumb. This was his primary influence. Lore and worldbuilding/creative design are his secondary contributions.

>>389443327
>They do have a contract with Sony for 2 more games. One being a VR title
You got a source on that? I keep hearing this but I never can get any proof that what they are making is for Sony

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>>389443636
>tfw the guy who's been in a wheelchair for the whole game finally gets up to kick your shit in

>>389443327
Still waiting on that Switch game form them. Cookie and Cream would fit perfectly with the JoyCons, just saying

>>389443485
I think it's "arguable" that BB is better if you take into account non-gameplay factors, such as atmosphere and narrative behind the BB bosses.
From a strict gameplay point I would echo your statement and say BB has a few higher peaks but many more lower plunges making DkS3 more consistent.

>>389443648
source: your ass

>>389443326
I imagined a better game than BB ended up being, since I bought a PS4 from listening to this soundtrack. Still a good game, but I saw something more cinematic in my head. The poor performance and low resolution with jaggies is probably part of it, but the sound mixing also had serious issues where you frequently had to change the levels to hear voices or music.

>>389443846
Look into it.

When he started in at Fromsoft, he had no computer science or game dev or art background.

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>>389443672
No, just a NeoGaf insider. They correctly guessed FF7R and some other Sony title being at E3, so they word holds a little more weight. Image related for PSVR game "announcement".

>>389443884
A true ideas man. Even Kojangles programmed at one point.

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>>389443832
I'm looking at things purely from a gameplay stand point but on a presentation level then I'd agree with you for Bloodborne, that game's presentation is on an entirely different level and if you were to factor in the DLCs for each game then I'd say Bloodborne would pull ahead in bosses.

>>389443848
Really? I didn't have that problem, might've been patched later. I'm not really sure what you expected when you got a game by FROM, but cinematic isn't what I'd describe them as

>>389443048
>(and after PCfags actually played DeS on emu and it was meh)
Hahaha

>>389443949
From probably hired him from the Oracle name on his resume and little else.

>>389444046
I think we were in agreement all along:
Gameplay only:
DkS3 ≥ BB > the rest.
Gameplay and presentation:
BB ≥ DkS3 > the rest.

>>389443648
>>389443884
Then why was the game he was the least involved with, Dark Souls 2, panned as the worst of the series while simultaneously having the some of the best designed multiplayer?

maybe he's just naturally talented at game design. Miyazaki don't need no fancy "background"

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>After graduating from Keio University with a degree in social science, Miyazaki went to work doing account managing for the U.S. based Oracle Corporation.
>tfw got tricked into studying a STEM degree

>>389441128
Dark Souls is the Demon Souls of Dark Souls

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>>389444434
What's the Dark Souls of Demon's Souls though?

>>389444325
Because they fixed the covenant system and improved the co-op invasion systems.

It's just the third iteration of Miyazaki's initial ideas. Then in BB we saw them scale it back for some reason or another, and DaS3, they made some full retard choices.

>>389444463
King's Field

>>389444150
I heard they (From) treat their employees like shit and have a massive turnover rate

>>389444512
Not shocking. They have a mid size budget but operate like a large scale organization.

>>389444512
There has to be some weird shit going on there. Watch Crestfallen's free camera explorations of DS1 to see how absurdly inefficient that game's production was.

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>YFW 1:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA614N3IHD4

>>389442557
This. It was a King's Field game before Miyazaki became the lead.

>>389444641
>Crestfallen's free camera explorations of DS1
I'm sorry, what?

>>389444743
Are you retarded? Someone named Crestfallen toggled Free camera mode and explored the Dark Souls world and found it to be inefficient.

>>389445195
>Are you retarded?
Why do you have to be rude?

>>389444641
they definitely suck at everything related to programming and optimization. For example they can't seem to implement their DLC content into their base games; the DLC is always 99% contained entirely in a separate new area accessed through one little link (usually just a new cutscene trigger) in the base game, then accessed again through a bonfire / tombstone

With BB for example, the DLC adds all these new weapons and blood gems but you cannot find any of them as drops or treasures in the chalice dungeons like you can with the base game ones

>>389445195
It's inefficient because there's autistic amounts of care and attention put into making it feel continuous. I'm sure you've seen all the fun screenshots of people spotting their bloodstains from really far away. It's on purpose.

Doesn't mean Fromsoft aren't somewhat notorious for shoddy/hacky programming, but I felt this needed to be pointed out.

>>389444434
>>389444463
>>389444491
ALL their games (including the PC ports) run on Playstation-derived engines (PhyreEngine). They continued to use the PS2's game engine up until Demon's Souls, then continued to use the PS3's game engine from DeS to BB, then used the PS4 PhyreEngine for BB and DS3.

>>389445301
There are entire towns in Dark Souls that the player only sees as blurry distant scenery. They're fully modeled and textured up close.

>>389442673
Honestly while I did love DeS's soundtrack because of how bare-bones it was, I still am going with BB for best just simply because it A: Was recorded live and not sampled, B: Is more complex, and C: Is less repetitive.

Honestly one of my favorite songs in BB that no one ever talks about is Ebritas, Daughter of the Cosmos. That end part gives me fucking goosebumps. It feels exactly how you'd expect encountering and fighting an ancient alien goddess would feel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PajtbXEK9cc

oh, and D: Gives you power trips

>>389445301
>Fromsoft aren't somewhat notorious for shoddy/hacky programming,

?

>>389445367
Yes. Same goes from Demon's Souls. Boletaria is actually modeled TO SCALE.

>>389445408
Dude. Their games are always kinda buggy and ugly and need patches and they often accidentally fuck up changes they meant to implement or undo old changes by accident.

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>>389445378
Posting underrated song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg52ySSXv0s

>>389445367
>>389445431
Are there ways to explore it?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6vCZdcp6hE

why did they cut this from Dark Souls 3?

>>389445431
The town Stockpile Thomas talks about escaping from exists in the game too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nee2K4D_TkE

>>389445605
I'd bet my money on Bamco not wanting to go TOO far. Would have made the fight a lot more memorable though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNxhgZiDaoo

>>389442509
>First phase is a bunch of running
>Second phase has 1-shot magic spells
>Generally reccomended strat against him is camping an upper level and shooting him to death.

>>389445570
With heavy modding/hacking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hlEShsDl3U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcu34pRbLDk

Sanadsk is amazing btw. Fucker confirmed that Ocelotte actually exists. Oceiros is holding a little skeleton that never had any textures applied to it. But the it absolutely DOES exist.

>>389445609
That's what I meant. He lived in the town overlooked by the Boletarian Palace.

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>>389445609
daaaaamn. I still get bummed out at all the stuff they had to leave out of DeS.

>>389445605
>>389445693
Is it possible to restore this?

>>389445431
>The Duke's Archives from AL and almost all of AL are built to scale.
>The platform you fight Manus on is a tall pillar in a larger cavern, the floor and walls of which have collision data. The cavern isn't visible, but has a handcrafted shape instead of a perfect circle or just a void.
>If you fall from Firelink with certain debug options on, you can land in the Valley of Drakes and it will actually load around you

There's so much "why?"

>>389445501
At 1:54, it has a little bit of one of the leitmotif from the Moon Presence fight.

Specifically at 1:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrUbD1mAzDk

Also no one gives any love to the Title Music, because god fucking damn it sets the tone perfectly for the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A75Bhbhm0Os

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>>389445791
F

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>>389445765
I love the game we got to death but I wish we could have gotten the cut archstone in, it had some cool as fuck (and very King's Field-y) enemy designs.

>>389445821
What's the point of Valley of the Drakes?

>>389445835
>>389445765
>>389445791
>DeS Remastered with Northern Limit finished and properly implemented will literally never happen because it's a legal clusterfuck thanks ot the rocky publishing history of the game.

>>389445870
What kills me is how fucking intricate and close to "complete" the level looks to be.

>>389445834
Why didn't DS1 have title music?

>>389445875
To enable sequence breaking and non-linearity.

>Backdoor to Darkroot Garden
>Shortcut into Blighttown
>Eventually ties into New Londo too

It's a hub section that's purely there to enable interconnected world design.

>>389445834
Never noticed that, that's neat. Moon Presence is a great track too, just wish the boss was better. The part starting from 2:20 (in Queen of Vilebloods) also sounds a lot like Gascoigne's theme.

>>389445431
I guess From doesnt know what LOD is

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>>389445939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMWTyxrBgRU

>>389445939
I mean there's the character creation screen I guess? Which is also really beautiful in my opinion but no one ever thinks about it. Sounds like wandering through a dream.

>>389446013
From is a concept art company trying to make video games.

>>389446013
Aren't there LOD models in Dark Souls?

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>>389445605
>0:13


I wasn't ready and it legitimately made me shiver a little bit.

A+ Sound Design.

>>389446043
>>389446057
https://youtu.be/sh2h91PXAeQ

What about this?

>>389446043
Genius music.

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>>389446060
If nothing else, From knows how to execute an artstyle perfectly. Whether it's more Souls or AC or maybe something completely out of left field, I can't wait to see what they do next.

>>389441128

what is dks2fanboy


>By Robert Purchese Published 01/04/2015

From Software might have already made games that inspired the Souls series, but history wasn't adding up to much when Demon's Souls was first in development (around 2006). Internally, it was considered a failure.

It took handing the reins to a man who had joined the studio in 2004 to save it. He was unusual in the Japanese development scene. He'd left a much better paid IT job for US company Oracle to be there, but was 29 years old and had no prior experience making games. From Software had been one of the only places that would take him.

He started as a coder for the Armored Core series but when he heard about the troubled Demon's Souls project in development, Hidetaka Miyazaki was ready to make his name.

"Demon's Souls wasn't doing well," Miyazaki told Simon Parkin during a profile interview for The Guardian. "The project had problems and the team had been unable to create a compelling prototype. But when I heard it was a fantasy-action role-playing game, I was excited. I figured if I could find a way to take control of the game, I could turn it into anything I wanted. Best of all, if my ideas failed, nobody would care - it was already a failure."

He changed almost everything about it. We talked to Miyazaki in 2010, shortly before the European release of Demon's Souls, about the development of the game.

Today, many years later, Hidetaka Miyazaki is president of From Software - an "unprecedented" feat, remarked his script editor Ema Kodaka - and has just released his "masterpiece", Bloodborne, on PS4.

He remains unusual, hiding himself and his life from the limelight, the cameras and reporters. Yet at only 40 years old, his is a name we're likely to hear about for years to come - praise the sun.

>>389446194
I've never heard this before, this is beautifully done.

>>389445605
>>389446170
>>389445693
Killing infants is a huge risk for ratings. But as I mentioned earlier. Ocelotte DOES exist, he's just invisible: https://youtu.be/1PQ4E3dzC7g?t=2m25s

The real question is why so many cool items got left unused in DaS3. like Yorshka's Set or the Gold and Silver Tracers.

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>>389446349
You can kill Ariana's baby in Bloodborne as well as the laboring impostor Iosefka.

>>389446346
that person has most of the unreleased music for from games on his channel if you are interested.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiVSF2AAhkqefxaIjAUWmNOuZf-i3AoWD

Gwynevere/Queen of Lothric theme?
https://youtu.be/CtHDsw4FioQ

>>389446421
Her "infant" isn't even human and if you pay attention, Fauxsefka isn't bulging or displaying any baby bump at all.

BB went as close to the line as it could. IF you parry Queen Yharnam, you can visceral attack her and ram your fist right into her swollen uterus and belly.

>>389446481
God dammit, I only just got home from work and was going to sleep.

Thank you for showing me this anon.

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>>389446421
I mean, Ariana's baby doesn't even really count as human anymore. That reminds me, you could kill the fetuses in Demon's Souls too. Maybe 1st party Sony games can just get away with more shit.

>>389446648
Those fetuses were zombies. No different from the little baby skeletons in the TotG in DaS1.

You can kill little baby necromorphs in Dead Space and little screaming Toddler ones turn up in Dead Space 2. It's just about happy human children who can live normal lives. THOSE are off limits.

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>>389446504
>>389446648
True it doesn't resemble an actual human baby but it still took me aback that something like that was allowed to be put in a game even though it was rated M. Maybe I just don't play enough games but I can't think of any other games that let you kill women in labor or newly borns regardless of their appearance.

>>389446170
I want to think they chose to remove this on their own. 0:13 is one of the most unnerving sounds I've ever heard.

>its another episode of /v/ermins trying to discuss the Souls series

Cringe

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>>389446727
Oh yeah, can't forget these little guys either
#gohomelilnigga

>>389446985
Usually i'm fine with that kind of shit, but my fucking god I got a little nauseous after hearing it.

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>>389447169
>Farming these guys for Humanity

>>389447275
why tho

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DeS: PS3
DS1: PS3, ported to Xbox, then rush ported to PC
DS2: 360 (unconfirmed), ported to PC and PS3
DS3: PS4, ported to XB1 and PC


DS2 runs on the same PhyreEngine as DS1, but uses Havok ragdoll physics, lighting, water, and cloth physics. However, I'm not sure it was designed on PS3 or 360 first.

I'm guessing 360 since it shares so many programming staff members as ACV/VD, which were definitely 360 developed (the PS3 versions actually were patched to have downgraded graphics to compensate for the problems caused by filters first developed for the 360 versions) though.

>>389443548
Oh wow, that's pretty cool. I just kind of assumed it was like Armored Core 4/for Answer where the lyrics SOUND like they're deep but are really just complete nonsense.

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>>389447292
Why not?

>>389447346
Farming humanities in Oolacile is way faster

>>389447275
>not humanity phantoms

>>389447318
Don't forget the PS4/XBO/DirectX11 ports of DaS2 that make slight improvements to lighting.

>>389446727
Valley babies in DeS during Astrea fight. Miyazaki isn't above killing babies.

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>>389447374
>>389447376
The DLC didn't always exist, I just remember killing those guys outside Nito's boss room for Humanity.

>>389447478
They were zombies/made of meat.

>>389441757

Demons Souls was a bland, generic game untill Miyazaki came on board and gave it direction and because it wasnt a major project he was allowed to experiment.

So did we ever kill babies in DaS2 or is that just a Miyazaki thing?
So far we got
>zombie fetuses in DeS
>lil skeleton niggas in DaS1
>OCELOTTTTTTTTTTTE in DaS3
>Ariana's Demon Child wannabe plus maybe Mergo? in BB

>>389447690
technically Orphan of Kos?

>>389447798
Orphan's just a big manchild who didn't want to leave home

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>>389447798
>Orphan of Kos
>Dark Souls 2

>>389447798
Thats BB nigga, we're going for DaS2.

That being said nothing is coming to mind.

>>389441128
If you'd read up about the development, it's clear that Miyazaki was the only reason the game was good. Demon's was originally a cheap Elder Scrolls clone and developers were assigned to it knowing that there was little chance of it succeeding, so upper management didn't care.. That gave Miyazaki the chance to direct the game as he saw fit.

>>389447846
>>389447853
I was adding to the list

>>389441832
>the lack of music outside of boss fights

This is hardly a positive.
Sure you don't need to overabuse music, but simply going with the "no music" approach is retarded.

>>389445264
How was that rude?

>>389447905
It would be if the ambient sound wasn't so good. You can probably remember what Valley of Defilement sounds like even though there wasn't any music.

>>389447943
Calling people retards for asking questions is rude

>>389447905
*blocks your auditory path*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyNmoWxErHU

>>389447430
SOTFS uses the same engine as DS2, but with slightly different lighting I think. Otherwise identical, just ported for DX11, PS4, and XB1 compatibility.

DS2 was originally supposed to be a PS3/360 game, so I imagine they intended for it to run at 30fps until changing things later in development. Given that it was their first 60fps game and they DID patch out the bug later, I think that it's fair.

As for tying things to framerate, a vast majority of From games do that, including Armored Core. Was never a problem before because they were console exclusive and consoleswould play at the same framerate regardless.

But this does lead to problems where one poorly optimized graphics process will slow down the entire game because it's waiting on the next frame to be able to determine the stats necessary for the player to input controls.

Example:
>PS2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpWvSCUH4kk
>Emulator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxRx5UTBUgQ

AC is a huge victim of this because it has so many parallel processes going on, the PS1 games ran at about 20fps and the PS2 games frequently dropped to 15-20 fps in some missions.

From "Software" is really bad at programming.

>>389442946
>>389442847
>people actually like the below-average garbage production music in souls games
Utter plebbery. You nerds need to go out more.

>>389447905
BGM gets grating real fast when you're exploring.

>>389448034
I mean, they did start life as what was essentially a spreadsheet company until they decided to up and make King's Field. From's whole history has been flying by the seat of their pants.

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>>389448168
I'm surprised no one has bothered to dig them out, we could have the "Dark Souls" of spreadsheets to play with.
Writing that was painful.

>>389441335
This tbqh.

>>389447954
>You can probably remember what Valley of Defilement sounds like even though there wasn't any music.

No I don't and I have played DeS 3-4 times.

>>389448105
>BGM gets grating real fast when you're exploring.

Shitty BGM, sure.

Silence is far more effective when it is rare. For example if you enter a new area and there is no music, no nothing that can be a powerful feeling. On the other hand music can greatly enhance the experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTaXMlzyycE
>even the lyrics reflect Ludwig's transformation
Nice

>>389448348
You should write for Kotaku

>>389447318
the entirety of blighttown's framerate issues, the quit-and-restart fall cancel tricks, tumblebuffing, soul duping, the horrific use of AA (especially on Sif) to make certain textures look right.

For the PC port, you have the broken matchmaking system designed for Games for windows Live, and it runs at a -worse- framerate and resolution than SOTFS on the same hardware, with higher usage.

>>389442673
I really miss how the old soundtracks sounded. Every song didn't have to be some over the top orchestral piece with chanting. Every boss song sounded different and matched the boss fight perfectly. All the music in Dark Souls 2 and 3 seems to just meld together.

>>389448907
What about Bloodborne?

>>389447974
I didn't call anyone a retard. Are you being stupid on purpose?

>>389449294
>>Are you retarded?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>389446421
>>389446504

The entire goal of Bloodborne's plot for the Hunter is to kill a baby

> "Ritual Secret Broken. Seek the Nightmare newborn"
> "Nightmarish rituals require a newborn. Find one and silence its harrowing cry"

After you kill Mergo's Wetnurse theres 10 seconds of crying before it goes silent and NIGHTMARE SLAIN appears on the screen and your mission as a hunter is completed.

>>389449720
What does Miyazaki have against babies

>>389450097
Have you ever seen a baby? They're awful.

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Redpill me pc bro's

About to get the Mr DJ prepare to die edition of das1 but where do i get the dsfix?

>>389450242
google it? make sure you are running the game at 4K 60FPS with ultra HD texture mods while only playing with a keyboard and mouse for the true PC experience

>>389448526

It makes me kinda sad that there must exist somewhere copies of the exact lyrics written 100s of times. They got an entire fucking orchestra and choir for the soundtrack. There's probably the original versions in english or japanese as well written down somewhere, since I doubt Miyazaki (or whoever wrote these lyrics) is fluent in Latin and just came up with them as is.

>>389450242
don't forget wulf's connectivity mod too, online is super active that way

>>389450386
>playing with a keyboard and mouse
Now you've gone and done it

>>389442928
Bloodborne and Demon's Souls have the best soundtracks in the series.

DeS is very simplistic and fits the look and feel of the game perfectly.

Bloodborne is extremly well produced music, much more complex (its a actual live orchestra which is really rare for video games) and each song has actual lore relevent lyrics in Latin. Bloodborne is a much more graphically detailed game, and everything in it is much more fluid. A DeS style soundtrack would sound silly, same with the reverse.

Dark Souls trilogy is somewhere in between, theres some great songs, but as a whole they dont suit the games as much as DeS and BB do.
Soundtrack is the biggest notable difference that comes with Sony funding.

>>389450472
Honestly it's not that bad, once you get used to it. I beat all 3 games with a controller initially, but I have to use kb+m when I play at work. Doing jump attacks/guard breaks can be inconsistent, but the camera is actually better, and the input delay is lower. Either way is fine as long as you've got a decent control scheme configured.

>>389449347
I can see that it isn't of your own choosing. My condolences.

>two whole games of the series are locked behind low res jaggies and unbearable framerates
>everything not locked behind that shitty ugly resolution and framerate is shit except for dark souls 1
fuck life

>>389451014
>I didn't call anyone a retard, I just called them retarded! It's totally a different thing!

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>>389441128

>Prior to Miyazaki stepping in, the project was internally considered a failure, with the team being unable to create a compelling prototype. Miyazaki, who up until then had only worked on the Armored Core series, eventually took full control of the project.[28] He "changed pretty much everything about" the project,[29] making it a separate entity from King's Field, with a different perspective and "guided by differing core game design concepts."[30] He does not consider it a "successor" to King's Field, stating that, while "King's Field was the beginning of the Demon's Souls project, I wouldn't go as far as to say that we had King's Field in mind while we were making Demon's Souls".

fuck off OP, he literally remade the whole game. He IS the father of the souls formula

>>389441128
>Miyazaki came to Demon's Souls later in development
Why are you lying? They didn't even have a prototype when Miyazaki took over.

Because Dark Souls is better than Demon Souls.

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>>389451305