Does this mean they'll get rid of it? http://www.dsoga

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>>389438262
Nope. just uninstall that shit and play it cracked. You already bought it...right?

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Just wait until the next version of Denuvo comes out
then it'll be REALLY uncrackable! YOU'LL SEE!

>>389438262
How long until DRM finally dies?

Denuvo isn't designed to make the game pirate-proof, it's designed to delay pirates from cracking the game for as long as possible so sales can be maximized during the critical first few weeks after launch.
Every single time it's been implemented Denuvo has done its job perfectly.

Happy to have pirated it. Wasn't even gonna buy it either.

>>389438517
>add Denuvo
>get fair amount of sales from the first few days
>eight days later
>announced it's been cracked
>More potential sales download game instead of buying

>>389438517
Wow I'm sure the pirates were so desperate to play the game they couldn't wait 8 days.

>>389438613
>game has Denuvo
>people more likely wait for it to get cracked

Moralfags never understand this

>>389438613
they technically had to wait 21 days

I'm a long time pirate and I wait. Gotta think I'm not the only one

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Nah.

>B-but surely, this will delay the pirates!
>It did
>By eight fucking days
>Legitimate PC/Steam buyers having buyers' remorse because of shitty DRM slowing game down in the mean time

Yeah, it sure was worth stabbing your real fans in the back. The only ones who won were the pirate fags because they got hold of themselves a version that doesn't fucking require online all the bloody time.

>>389438517
It kind of defeats the point though when the game is delayed two weeks specifically to add Denuvo, doubly so when that delay is announced 4 days before the release.

The ill will they managed to generate undoubtly cost them more sales than were saved by the 8 days of Denuvo protection.

when will the meme die

>>389439760
What meme?

>>389439893

I assume he means 'the Denuvo meme', by which that I say, whenever a new DRM gets created that's even shittier and intrusive than Denuvo has ever been.

>>389438262
What if sega says fuck you an no longer releases games on PC?

>>389440393
Everything is alright in the earth

>>389440393

Even if people pirate it, Sonic is a strong enough brand for people to buy it. There are tons of people in this day and age that can't play vidya without any form of achievements or autism cards.

Smaller titles might take a harder beating.

>>389438517
>it's the first month of sales that matter!
>game gets pirated before one month from release
>it's the first two weeks of sales that matter!
>game gets pirated within a week
>it's as long as possible! reeeee

>>389440393
Good. Mania was nothing but good press until these mouth breathers showed up and started reeing all over the internet. PCbros ruin everything they touch and Sega should stay on consoles. You know, the ones that actually fucking pay for their games instead of pirating them and bitching.

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>>389438262
Well then where's the torrent?

>>389441829
you know what they say
about the pirates on the bay
look there

>>389440393
win win
sega games dont belong on pc but i welcome free games

>>389441829
Source?

>>389438613
8 days is a lot of time if you're the kind of person who just impulsively buys all your games at launch before even checking if there's a torrent out. It's not a lot of time if you're a pirate with a so big backlog from all the games you torrented that you can hardly keep up with new releases.

>>389438517
>eight days
>as long as possible
lmao
wonder how much it cost them to use denuvo vs how many sales they got in those eight days
I also wonder how many people they pissed off with denuvo who waited for the crack instead of buying it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
daily reminder

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>>389441530
Could have been more good press if Sega didn't pull this retarded stunt.

>>389439423
>Legitimate PC/Steam buyers having buyers' remorse

I'm glad it got cracked but you faggots are fucking delirious. I regret nothing and have been enjoying Mania since release. I knew it was going to get cracked quick so I didn't give a fuck.

>>389438517
This is shillspeak for "We wanted to stop the pirates but we failed"
Movie industry and co. who also fund denuvo along with EA do not care about stopping short term profit, they've wasted insane amounts of money (more than the death of piracy would ever earn them) on futilely trying to stop them.
They're just idiots trying to save face for the fact that they failed, and they will keep failing, for the rest of time.

>>389443050
*do not care about profit over IP protection
do not know how the fuck I came up with what I put

>>389438517
>first few weeks
Well then it failed, didn't it?

>>389443050
this

Link to crack?

>>389438487
Keep telling yourself that buycuck.

>>389440393
Legitimate customers have made themselves abundantly clear that Denuvo was the cause for them either not buying the game or pirating the game.

It wouldn't surprise me if they decided not to port any more Sonic games on PC, but that has more to do with Sega being incompetent fucktards who squandered all the good will they've amassed since the 90's and are incapable of making more than three good decisions in a row.

>>389443597
I want to fuck that yordle.

>>389442915
t. jew worshipper

>>389441530
No you fucking cunt it was Sega who ruined everything.
Take that Sega cock out of your mouth for once.

>>389444852
Silly anon if I cared about (((them))) then I wouldn't be defending any piracy let alone saying it was needed and good. I simply didn't give a fuck and bought it because I wanted to play it, it had no issues in-game that would prevent my enjoyment so that made it all good.

>>389438517
>first few weeks after launch.

This used to mean something when cracking Denuvo games took months. Now it's taking a matter of days.

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>>389438487
>mfw this "new and uncrackable" version of denuvo is the same as the old one, just with 300 times more calls

>>389445109
>Works on my machine :^))))
Whatever fag, just because you enjoy corporate dickings doesn't mean anyone else is obligated to bend their knees to Sega's bullshit.

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the arguments against piracy are filled with logical fallacies its retarded. In most cases if someone pirates media of any form they wouldn't have been able to consume it otherwise. In reality the word of mouth from pirates actually bolsters sales since they then are able to influence people with the resources to actually invest in the content. A pirate has all the time in the world and none of the resources so they invest their time into piracy to consume media at lower qualities (in some cases) than if they could afford the original. The working class with income to spend on such luxuries are inherently unaware of the media and or wary of investing in something they are uncertain of. Pirates then speak about the content spreading word of mouth be it positive or negative which leads to those who have and can invest. It's literally win win for everyone. The creators have their content experienced by more people and increase their install base for future content. They don't lose out on any income since the people pirating wouldn't have been able to buy it anyways. The people who can afford it and pirate are exercising their right to see if the product is worth the investment. Then there are others who would buy it blindly regardless of the quality.

In this model there is no loss since the quality of the content speaks for itself and people will willingly support good content. Shit is tossed aside to be forgotten but the quality content finds cult status making future installments more feasible for investment and development.

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http://epublications.bond.edu.au/law_pubs/732/

https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/06/13/does-online-piracy-help-boost-sales.aspx

http://www.rieti.go.jp/en/publications/summary/11010021.html

https://www.cato-unbound.org/2008/11/19/roderick-t-long/owning-ideas-means-owning-people

http://sites.udel.edu/cisc356/2015/04/12/piracy-helping-or-harming-the-world/

trigger warning image may offend
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/digital-piracy-not-harming-entertainment-industries-study-1.1894729

I find denuvo to be kind of pointless because I imagine a lot of people are in my situation which is if I'm buying a game I was probably going to buy it regardless, denuvo or not. A large amount of games are games I'll give a try if I can pirate, but I'm not going to run out and buy it if I can't because I was only mildly interested and the only reason I touched it is because it was there for me to do it.
Developers seem to be every pirated copy is a lost sale, when I imagine like a fifth of those downloads would translate to sales, and that's being generous.

>>389445256
>paying £13 for a game is a corporate dicking

WHEW.

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>>389445362
You're doing a good job, my man.

>>389441954
>sega games dont belong on pc
I keep seeing morons saying this. If it's the exact same experience playing it on pc with a controller (and it is) then what's wrong with playing it on pc?

>>389445526
It's the same as those "it just won't feel right on PC" faggots. Stupid low effort shitposting.

>>389445382
extremely generous

>>389438262
The sad thing is that people actually cared about furbait the franchise

>>389445442
>Supporting Denuvo shit with your money.
>Defending Denuvo shit with your words
>Not being a corporate whore
Pick one.

Every cent that you use to buy a DRM game is used to fund further DRM, which will only harm legitimate customers in the long run since pirates will ALWAYS crack the game eventually and play the game without the DRM.

>>389445624
There are definitely more furbaity franchises out there.

>>389445659
I suppose by that logic I should stop buying console games and never buy another game on Steam. I wouldn't want to upset you further anon.

>>389438517
So it is just to stop pirate fags from playing it, I don't see how it can increase sales

>>389445734
I sincerely hope that you're not stupid enough to believe that Steam and Denuvo are the same thing.

Please tell me you're not that stupid.

>>389438517
Yeah I am sure they won tons of sales from delaying the game in order to implement denuvo. Then screwing up offline play because of denuvo. Pissing off their fans with how they responded to their concerns regarding denuvo.

And they had to pay for it too. Denuvo is just that good!
And now illegitimate customers can still ignore Denuvo altogether while legitimate customers never will! Almost makes me wonder how games ever survived without masterful enhancements like Denuvo aiding them.

>>389445659
This. Even in some crazy future that doesn't exist that has DRM actually work that is not magically going to make pirates suddenly buy the game because they weren't going to buy it anyway. There are rare cases when they do. If it ever comes to that point when it actually works they just won't buy it. It isn't going to magically increase sales. It never has and it never will but this future will never happen. The only way it can happen is through some shity account service then no one will use. Even then stuff will get stolen. If we have to we go back to the good old days of pirated carts and CD-ROMs

>>389445808
>Every cent that you use to buy a DRM game is used to fund further DRM

Steam is DRM. You don't buy Steam games do you anon? you're not a hypocrite are you anon?

>>389441829
Stop, I'm not a furry

>>389445887
>If it ever comes to that point when it actually works they just won't buy it.
Which also means they won't talk about it, which destroys its buzz, which actually hurts its sales.

>>389445923
>Steam is DRM.
Yet unlike Denuvo, I can delete Steam off my hardrive whenever I want, I can download a patch that allows me to play all my steam games that run off of steamworks, and steam doesn't affect the performance of my games while it's active.

I was hoping that you weren't that retarded but I guess I can only expect so much from a buycuck in denial.

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>they delayed the PC port by 14 days for "optimization"
>it took just 8 days to remove it
like pottery

>>389446021
Yup. You're a hypocrite. Nice chat anon.

>>389446031
If I was Sega I'd be feeling pretty ripped off right now.

>>389445659
There's nothing wrong with DRM. The problem is shitty intrusive DRM like Denuvo. Instead of whining about it we should be demanding better DRM. What is the legitimate argument against DRM software that is unnoticeable by consumers? It's a fair point when defenders of DRM state that it *can* (I said CAN) have the advantage of stopping piracy for a short time during launch, during which the bulk of sales happen. What if DRM is done well, isn't an annoyance to consumers in any way, and has the benefit of saving the publisher some money. It should be a win for both consumer and publisher in the end, shouldn't it? Look at netflix. Netflix has DRM. Nobody gives a fuck besides the most strict anti-drm morons because it doesn't get in anyone's way and it stops any from just being able to rip a movie from Netflix without knowing what they're doing... which allows Netflix to exist because otherwise they wouldn't get content licenses.

>>389446094
Not him, but Steam is a game distribution service and library organizer. Steamworks is, among other things, a form of barely-useful DRM that does almost nothing (and is also a cheevo, card drop, and server management API, plus now I guess a controller interface)

Denuvo isn't a bunch of things and also sometimes DRM. It's always nothing but DRM. Bad DRM that impacts in-game performance (load times primarily) and requires an online connection to play.

>>389442915
>I didn't give a fuck
So why is your post full of angst?

>>389441530
Somehow I doubt you'd still say that if it was the console versions that were delayed, filled with malicious code, and bugs related to said DRM.

>>389446229
They'll get their refund. That's how it works with Denuvo; if it's cracked fast enough, you remove it and they give you your money back.

I swear I read they already did

>>389446301
>Shitty intrusive
Citation

>>389446309
I know this and Denuvo is shit but that anon was priding himself on not using any DRM when in fact, he does. And probably daily. That's the only argument I cared about.

>>389446365
What angst? I bought the game, glad I did, and I'm glad it got cracked.

>>389446447
Well, it annoyed some people. If you wanted to download the game once to a machine then never connect the machine to the internet again you couldnt do that because it needs to connect to the internet once a week to be able to play the game (even after the offline fix). It might be nitpicking, but I'd say that's not ideal DRM in the context of my argument, because it has noticeable restrictions.

>>389446391
>That's how it works with Denuvo; if it's cracked fast enough, you remove it and they give you your money back.
Wasn't that just a rumor and not actually the case? I've been pretty out of the loop on Denuvo for for quite a few months, so correct me if I'm wrong.

>>389438262
Sega has released 3 other Denuvo laden games, all cracked, and they haven't removed it from any of those. Hopefully the fan backlash and negative reviews are enough to get them to change their mind but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Denuvo's predecessors had literal rootkits in them. Why are people so quick to trust Denuvo?
It's ordered and funded by Sony. Just like before. And Denuvo themselves have their background in the hacking and experience with writing malicious code.

Do people just refuse to learn from history? Or is your faith simply so strong in Sony and your other corporat overlords that you'll blindly trust them even if their track record looks trerrible?

>>389446608
Yeah, it was a hoax.

>>389446589
Thanks for actually providing anything other than
>Denuvo cuck

to everyone asking for a link
https://www.skidrowreloaded.com/sonic-mania-cpy/#more-34289

>>389446681
Sony BMG had rootkits on some music CDs.

Starforce offered $1 million to anyone that could prove that it caused any form of damage and no one claimed it.

>>389438517
The real purpose of DRM is to improve the confidence of investors who don't actually understand how games work. To them the idea of someone "stealing" the game so easily is a huge reason to pull out their investments.

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>>389446447
Well it's shitty because it doesn't work as evidenced by the crack less than 2 weeks after release. It's intrusive because it has features like pic related. As minor as that intrusion might be, it still happens more times to legitimate customers than pirates.

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>>389438517
>done its job perfectly
>sonic mania- 7 days
>life is strange- 2 days
>tekken 7- 4 days

The only recent relevant game where denuvo might have worked (emphasis on "might", because pirates are patient and would rather not play the game if it can't be pirated) is Nier Automata.

Raise your hands if you waited, anons. I sure know I did.

>done its job perfectly
Lmao

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>>389441829
You called?

>>389446883
Oops forgot

>RE7- 5 days

>>389446094
Why are you even replying anon? You've already showed how little you understand the situation.
>>389446489
>I know this and Denuvo is shit but that anon was priding himself on not using any DRM when in fact, he does.
I never said that I didn't use any DRM, I said that every cent spent towards a DRM game is used to fund further DRM.

If I really wanted to, I could find games on steam that didn't use steamworks or I could download a patch that allows me to bypass that DRM whenever I want to, so my games are under no risk of becoming inoperable if Steam were to shutdown and become unavailable.

With Denuvo on the other hand, not only am I forced to deal with its bullshit every time I want to play a game, but now I'm stuck with malware that I will never be able to delete off my hard drive due to the way that it works.

That's the difference, steam doesn't affect me when it's used and can be gotten rid of at a moment's notice, while DRM like Denuvo cannot.

>>389446883
Prey- 9 days

>>389446738
>Sony BMG had rootkits on some music CDs.
You think that makes it insignificant?
And they would have continued with it if they hadn't been blown the fuck out repeatedly.

But you know. Instead they started making new DRM instead. That's even more obfuscated. Like Denuvo.

>>389446883
>This smugness from a literally poor BR
Your life sucks in the favela but at least you can pirate these video games.

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>>389446883
>>389446943
>>389447040
STOOOP IT. STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT

RRRRRREEEEEEEE

>>389447173
>This saltiness from a literal denuvo dev
Your life sucks in the ching chong sweat shop, but at least you're not a BR.

I want to throw this out in case anyone wants to investigate or knows anything.. The md5 checksum of the game executable for the legit latest steam version and the "cracked" version of the game match. So, the game .exe obviously isn't modified in any way. The crack folder included in the CPY release seems like just regular old steam_api.dll and steamclient.dll steamworks cracks. That makes me wonder if Denuvo hasn't been removed but rather is being tricked into thinking that it's authenticated even though it isn't. Could it still be calling home? Does this mean that mods are still impossible?

>>389447173
Unlike you, I can afford to be smug when buycucks end up with the worst version just because they couldn't wait a few days.

Pirates always win eventually.

>paying for a rom hack

Why?

/v/ really is the only board on the entire site that would defend and support drm like this.

>>389447381
nice troll

>>389447297
CPY have never actually removed denuvo. They're not so much cracks as they're workarounds.
If you actually want denuvo gone you want baldman.

Yes. CPY releases still comes with denuvo.

>>389438613
did you miss the point of the fucking post? it was about making money, not making pirates wait

>>389447507
ok, that's what I thought, thanks.

>>389447381
yeah why pay for any game when you could just make it yourself

>>389447536
>make pirates wait
Do you not understand? That's literally all denuvo does.

>>389447584
yeah, right, surely some 13 year old would have made Sonic Mania anyways.

>>389445343
>haha dude I stole some bread from the supermarket but I told all my friends how good that bread was and now they'll probably buy it! it's completely justifiable

this is what thief scum actually believes

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>>389447701
>Food analogy

>>389447609
And while the pirates are waiting, the devs are making maximum profit out of those first couple weeks

as opposed to being cracked on release day and losing out on seeing any money whatsoever

>>389446709
>iso

how do I use this

>>389447810
I refunded and downloaded the cracked one once I saw it had denvo actually. Noticed they added the drm inclusion notice AFTER the game went live.

>>389447810
>first couple weeks
Its been 8 days though.
>as opposed to being cracked on release day and losing out on seeing any money whatsoever
How many people on steam do you think wouldn't have bought the game on release vs. the amount of people who (tried to) refund their copies once they found out that it had Denuvo onto it?

If they hadn't installed the DRM, Sonic Mania would've probably gotten a damn near flawless launch and become one of the most successful Sonic games in recent history.

Instead, the drama surrounding the DRM and Sega's scummy handling of it poisoned an otherwise pristine brand, and now it'll be all people talk about whenever they talk about Sonic Mania. It also doesn't help that the game isn't nearly as good as the hype made it out to be as well.

>>389447810
You really don't understand.

DRM exist to deter pirates from pirating. People who buy games are going to buy the game no matter what. DRM or no DRM.

Pirates will always wait and will never cave. Especially with how fast cracks have been occurring in the past months.

Denuvo accomplishes nothing except bugging up games and fucking up hard drives.

>>389447701
>I replicated the bread from the supermarket and then I told all my friends that they sell bread just like it at the supermarket and now they might buy it over other bread

>>389447901
You have to basically find a program to either burn or mount the image for you. Then, you download the game, copy the contents in the cracked folder, and paste those files within the game's launch files, which can be found out by right-clicking on the game and finding its properties.

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The PC right now is a fair amount different to what it was back in the day, with all the badly integrated video chips.

Here's the problem right now; the person who is savvy enough to want to have a good PC to upgrade their video card, is a person who is savvy enough to know bit torrent to know all the elements so they can pirate software.

Therefore, high-end videogames are suffering very much on the PC.

>>389441530
Are you retarded? Mania already had DRM before Denuvo.
Steam itself is already DRM.
It's just so damn good compared to every other form of DRM that most people don't realize it or care. Denuvo is just shitty.
Not even a piratefag, I'm just not going to play it.

>>389448068
>DRM exist to deter pirates from pirating.
No, DRM exist because old faggots don't understand how digital sales work and assume that the people who pirate games would buy it instead if they "had no choice."
>People who buy games are going to buy the game no matter what.
And refund it once they discover that the DRM being used is negatively impacting their hardware and/or when the DRM service is shut down and they realize that they no longer have access to games they actually bought.

Everything else, I agee with.

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>>389438262
>sanic game
>fastest crack
pottery

>>389448139
I'll just wait for somebody to do that beforehand and get that then

>>389448238
>Steam itself is already DRM.
Steam's DRM is easily bypassed and doesn't negatively impact your system's performance while it is active.

>>389448334
It literally takes 5 minutes dude. If I could figure out using a search engine and trial and error, you can certainly do it with someone giving you advice.

>>389448186
>Witcher 3
>no DRM on release
>almost 4m sales

>>389442419
I think the better question is how much denuvo protection cost them vs. how much they paid the developers. When I last looked it up the cheapest protection they offer is 10k, but that's for a small indie title.

>>389448572
>PUBG
>DRM on release
>10m sales

>>389448612
Read what you just posted.

Then tell me you were only pretending to be retarded.

>>389448679
>what is cherry picking

>>389448612
>PUBG
>unfinished early access game
>10m sales
I guess developers should stop completing games. They appear to sell better when they're unfinished!

>>389448751
What you just did, terribly.

>>389448780
see
>>389448572

>>389448769
that's the joke

>>389448802
see
>>389448769
At this point, you might as well just claim that you were pretending to be retarded.

>>389448880
correlation is not causation, retard

>>389448612
>>389448769
I'm going to give you one more try.

There's something about PUBG that makes it unique.

Hint. Battlefront 1 (an uncracked game) and PUBG have this in common. Again, tell me you were only pretending to be retarded.

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>Add denuno
>Also add own drm to force online connection to steam
>cracked in a week

>>389447405
I'm not really sure people are defending (at least in this thread) so much as trying to reason why publishers still buy into the con.

>>389448950
bad game vs good game

battlefield 1 was cracked tho

>>389449062
>battlefield
Read again.

Overwatch(an uncracked game) also has this in common.

>was going to buy mania
>delayed the game to fuck over the consumer
>didn't buy it

What exactly is the point of denuvo again?

>>389449205
Denuvo's pretty consumer friendly though

>>389446681
>Do people just refuse to learn from history?
It's this. Video game consumers are the stupidest consumer group in the history of the world. Look at any shitty company. "I don't care if their last game was garbage, this game looks like fun and that's all I care about." No one gives a fuck what companies did last month.

>>389449139
DRM

>>389448068
I'll tell you this much, I'll pirate a game sometimes, but if it's a multiplayer game that I need to buy, I'll wait until I have the money and buy it. If I couldn't get a game without paying and I really wanted to play it, I would eventually buy it. So, this insistence that pirates would never buy anyways is bullshit.

>>389448939
Congrats, you took a philosophy 101 course at some point in your life, shame you didn't actually pass the class though.

>>389448612
>>389448679
>>389448950
>>389449062
>>389449139

Anon is trying to tell you that the game is online multiplayer only. It is pointless to crack those games.

Pubg would have sold 10m even if it came out with no drm because of it's online only nature.

>>389449401
>statistics is now philosophy

>>389449409
thanks

>>389449271
>Denuvo's pretty consumer friendly though
t. Denuvo shill

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>>389448058
>How many people on steam do you think wouldn't have bought the game on release vs. the amount of people who (tried to) refund their copies once they found out that it had Denuvo onto it?
Very few. You're forgetting that whining on the internet is just a vocal minority.

>>389449357
What kind of DRM does PUBG even have?

>>389449448
>Fallacies
>Not under Philosophy
Welp, I can see why you didn't pass the class then.

>>389449271
Kill yourself, shill.

>>389449520
"Correlation is not causation" is a statistics mantra.

>>389449479
You're also forgetting that multiple people on the steam forums complained about the DRM and the fact that they couldn't refund their purchase because of a loophole that Sega exploited in Steam's refund policy.

Also, there's a difference between boycotting a game because it doesn't have dedicated servers and boycotting a game because it has DRM on it, which has been shown to lower performance even when using top of the line equipment for your machine and can never be removed once it's installed onto your computer.

The people defending Denuvo shit are the ones in the minority friend.

>>389440393
An entire branch of SEGA gets shut down in that case. That's pretty much all SEGA Europe does is PC stuff.

>>389449661
It's also a logical fallacy first and foremost.

>>389449674
>The people defending Denuvo shit are the ones in the minority friend.
Compared to the people complaining about it, yes. But the people that don't give a single shit one way or the other are the vast, vast majority.

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>>389441530
Gee, I can't imagine console players reacting in such a way to intrusive and shady business practices. It's not like there's been a system that failed spectacularly on launch and lost many customers despite them already being bought into their ecosystem. Nope, never been anything like that in recent history at all.

>>389449817
>the people that don't give a single shit one way or the other are the vast, vast majority.
And do you necessarily think that those people will necessarily buy your game when they look at the reviews and see a sea of red thumbs with shit like "buyer be warned: this game uses Denuvo" written in bold print?

It's very easy to convince people not to spend their money on a game when they're on the fence about it.

>>389449674
>it has DRM on it, which has been shown to lower performance
>2D game that can run at 60fps on a Pentium 4
Oh no, my frames!

>>389450043
>Ignoring the fact that many people who bought the game have said that their performance is shitty.
>Ignoring the fact that Denuvo puts more stress on people's hardware, which has been shown to affect performance in games that should've otherwise been capable of running it.
>Ignoring the fact that the pirated version runs much smoother since it doesn't have to account for the virtual machine making hundreds of thousands of calls in the background.
I mean, if you don't mind paying money for an inferior version while I get to play the better version for free, go ahead and do you.

However, at some point you have to ask if the money was worth it.

>>389450273
see
>>389447507

The crack doesn't remove Denuvo. Your argument isn't even valid.

>>389450395
It's true for good cracks. Baldman will save us.

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>>389447173
>p-poor f-fag

why do you fags even bother? can't you see that this shit is an endless cycle that you're never going to win? shit gets cracked all the time and you can't stop it. people are going to always pirate games and software no matter how hard you throw you bitch tantrum

>>389438262
Reminder that if you are over 16 and can't get your fat virgin asses off your computer and make some cash to put out 20 dollars for hard working and worthwhile game creators, you are the saddest excuse for a human in this disgraceful society.

videogames are bad, and if you help fund them you're part of the problem

>>389450707
The $20 doesn't go to the people who actually made the game, that's not how it works.

>>389450707
>20 dollars for hard working and worthwhile game creators
>game creators
They already got paid you nimrod. If anything, pirate it and divvy the 20 between the people actually credited for the damn game.

This is why no one in the industry takes pc mustards seriously.

>>389450707
Reminder that if you are over the age of 12 and defend shitty business practices, you are a miserable corporate shill who deserves every terrible anti-consumer practice performed against them.

Meanwhile, I'll continue to pirate and laugh at buycucks like yourself who wasted money on an inferior copy of the game.

>delays game on pc for 2 weeks just to add denuvo
>gets cracked in half the time
let this be lesson shitega

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>>389450950
And shit like this is why people pirate in the first place.

Remember when you were actually entitled to a game you paid money for? Remember when games didn't have a half-life that was measured by how profitable it was to keep a server up?

>>389438517
While Denuvo---like all DRM---is not to meant to keep piracy away for ever, the cost to benefit ratio is getting lower and lower for publishers. Smoke on the street is Denuvo costs upwards to 100,000 USD per game to install (with cheaper rates for indie/Unity devs, usually a percentage). A game like Sonic Mania has approximately sold 100,000 units at 20 USD. This is roughly 2 million dollars. We can subtract twenty percent for Steam, which leaves us with 1.6 million USD. Denuvo costs approximately a tenth of the total revenue.

Now imagine if Sega didn't use Denuvo, saved the 100k and had the option to put the game out on GoG as well as steam. Guarenteed another 20k minimum which is 400,000 usd.

Denuvo just doesn't make sense.

>>389450950
If the industry wasn't so shitty atm then people would be able to trust devs to put out good games that actually work.

>>389439212
This
I wanted to play Tekken 7 but because it has Denuvo I dropped this game completely. I don't even want to play pirated version, just try online, but I won't get it with Denuvo inside. Same with Sonic Mania, people wanted to buy it but since it has anticonsumer practices, people just waited a bit to play cracked and better version.

So, it'll be easy to make mods for the cracked version, right?

>>389449327
I GOTTA PRE-ORDER THAT

You dont understand, the trailers and press and journalists all said its AMAZING and fixes the problems in the past games!

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>>389438487
It's NOT FAIR.
They worked SOOOO hard on making it difficult to crack and these FUCKING PIRATE NIGGERS just come along and fuck it up FUCKING NIGGERS

AAAAAAHHHHHH

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>game was delayed for 2 weeks to add denuvo
>game was cracked in 1 week
>it took pirates half as long to remove the denuvo than it took sega to add it

>>389442915
>I regret nothing

we get free game because you pay for them. thanks

>>389448058
>It also doesn't help that the game isn't nearly as good as the hype made it out to be as well.
Your post was going so well until you went full retard. Mania DID live to the hype and then some.

>>389452134
Not really, it's a good game don't get me wrong but it's not 10/10 like most people are making it out to be.

I'd say that it's 8/10 or 9/10 though, if only because the presentation, the mechanics, the sound design is fucking phenomenal, save for a handful of hiccups here and there.

>>389447810
nah, they ended up losing money since people were buying it without knowing about the denuvo shit and once they found out they sent refunds, Sega tried to stop this from happening by giving you a free game if you pre-ordered which stops you from getting a refund on a game

>>389450814
Typical /v/ moron mentality. The only people who deserve money are the developers. The publisher puts in a lot of work and money as well, retard. The game isn't possible without Sega. Also, the developer usually gets some of the sales. So, you're not even right there.

>>389438262
>cracked after the first week
it's gotten to the point where i actually want games to have denuvo because it literally just means ill be getting it soon

>>389452654
Sega doesn't deserve a dime for the shit they've pulled because their bullshit has actively convinced people to either not buy the PC port or refund their purchase out of disgust.

The actual devs deserve all the money they asked for for creating a great game, not the publishers who fucked up their own launch to stop the piracy boogieman.

>>389452654
Yeah they put money into slapping intrusive DRM on the game that also spits in the face of the very modding community that the developers came from, you're right.

>>389452360
8/10 isn't living up to the hype? There wasn't *that* much hype for this game. Jesus christ, it's not like it had Skyrim level hype around it. The bottom line is that it's exactly what the fans wanted and it's a great game. I just beat it and I didn't see really anything much wrong with it. I'd say 9.5/10 and if I wanted to take that away from it I feel like i'd have to nitpick.

>>389452993
>8/10 isn't living up to the hype?
Not when people are claiming that it's 10/10 and the savior of the series as a whole. Even then, I never said that it was a bad game or worthy of its praise, just that it isn't a 10/10 game like everyone claims that it is.

>>389453097
I'm not going to argue the rating. That's entirely subjective. I think it could be the savior of the series if Sega decided to stop making horseshit Sonic games and just continued the franchise with Sonic Mania style games with consistent quality. It is a potential precedent for what the franchise should be in the future. I don't see how else it could have been "the savior of the series". It couldn't really do much more.

I bought this game and im honestly super fucking glad this shit got cracked.
Fuck Sega, Im done buying their shit anymore.

>>389453362
>I think it could be the savior of the series if Sega decided to stop making horseshit Sonic games and just continued the franchise with Sonic Mania style games with consistent quality.
If Sega was capable of making good decisions then they wouldn't have been forced to go third party in the first place.

I mean you'd think after the 32x, Dreamcast, Sonic '06, Sonic Lost World, and Sonic Boom that they'd eventually dislodge the head from their ass and start pumping out good games again.

Alas, even when they're succeeding, they have to do something that ends up reminding us why they're in their current state.

>>389454142
I don't think they will do the right thing, but I'm saying... the blueprint for total redemption of the Sonic franchise is Sonic Mania. It is as much the savior of the series as it could be. It's up to Sega to not fuck it up again. Which they probably will. Hell, they're probably fuck it up with Sonic Forces. You know there's no way the 2D sonic levels in that game are going to hold up well against Mania. I hope it's good though. I do like me some 3D sonic when it's good. Now for someone to come in and give me shit about liking 3D sonic at all.

>>389454915
Sonic Mania will never happen again because that would imply that Sega will hire the Sonic Mania devs for more games, as opposed to korean sweatshop studios that get paid regardless of the game's quality.

Pirating sonic mania was so easy...

Is all piracy this easy? Why have I been buying things for the past 10 years, I remember it used to be a massive chore in the limewire days.

Fuck I've wasted so much money on single player games, never again. Thanks SEGA for opening my eyes.

>>389454142

What's wrong with sonic boom

>>389451284
I would have bought it on GoG

Instead I pirated it.

I hope SEGA is happy :)

>>389455938
Same. I ended up just buying the ps4 version but I was going to buy it on pc as well until denuvo

Honestly it's not even Denuvo that pisses me off. It's that they pretend they were giving away Sonic 1 as some sort of good-will gesture but it was really a way to make it so nobody could refund their pre-order when they got surprise denuvo'd. That is downright disgusting shit and I don't know how anybody can defend it.

>>389455102
I mean, I hope it doesn't happen, but Sega could probably make decent follow-ups by themselves using the Mania engine since it'd just be a matter of level design and content creation to make competent sequels. The engine is pretty solid. They could make sequels with just minimal new code. It could result in some decent games if they went that route. God, I hope that doesn't happen though. It wouldn't be near as good as continuing with the Mania dev team.

>>389456746
Can you explain to me why giving away Sonic 1 prevents people from refunding Sonic Mania?

>>389456921

It unlocked on your account on the 15th, two weeks before the PC release. When you try to refund Mania at launch, it will want Sonic 1 back as well as Mania. Steam will automatically deny the refund because it's over the two-week period as a result.

>They delayed the game for 14 days to give it a "protection" that lasted only 8 days
I fucking love this game but, boy, SEGA fucked up big time.

So now the pirates have more features than the customer. Amazing.

>>389457073
That's some grade A bullshit, how do people which defend Sega even exist?

>>389457073
They could have done that on purpose, but they also might have just thrown in Sonic 1 because it was a cheap throw-in that was nothing to add to the package. Steam's automated refund system would behave the same way if they did it on purpose or on accident. There's no good reason to believe one over the other.

>>389457292

Maybe but considering the exact timing of two weeks and the fact that they didn't tell anybody about denuvo before launch I don't have any faith that it wasn't intentional.

Sonic Mania is a great game. I'd even say it's an easy top three for GOTY. The developers deserve all the praise in the world. But the publishers that pulled that shit can fuck right off.

>>389451284
>While Denuvo---like all DRM---is not to meant to keep piracy away for ever,

Stopped reading. Lie better

having a laugh at all the pcbros ITT

>>389447358
>Pirates always win eventually.
naw there might come a day when everyone becomes one and then you will realize that its actually the entire opposite

no money = no games

>>389438262
>it runs at like 20fps
>not even 30fps
It hurts being this much of a poorfag

>can't play this game offline
>can't play it on a trip

Fucking bravo

>>389458563
I can :)

>>389458528
For you it does? What are you running it on? Some really shitty laptop?

>>389458814
I get 40FPS on a MAC laptop from 2010 through wine, you would have to be using a real stinker to get 20. Perhaps it's just Denuvo.

>>389455863
The cartoon? Nothing at all. The video game, basically everything that was wrong with Sonic '06 and the Werehog stages on the Wii port of Sonic Unleashed.

>>389458894
>through wine
hmmm

>>389458379
There are still hobbyists who develop games in their spare time, and gaming as a whole will be better off because of it.

>>389459027
I used the version with denuvo bypassed.

>>389445156
Won't be long now until we see people trying to justify why "lasting 5 hours before being cracked" is a major victory against the pirate scum.

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>>389438262
without denuvo

>>389451284
Steam takes 30%

>>389442359
Pirates are not impulsive buyers. Impulsive buyers are the sort of person a 14 day delay to implement Denuvo deters.

Pirates do not care. They weren't going to buy it. Their interest is in a potentially free game some time down the line. They always get it.

>>389440393
Sonic Mania is already on PC, so it's not like i'll be missing out on Forces not being on PC.

>>389459847
Steam takes an undisclosed amount that varies depending on publisher and your particular deal with Valve.

>paying for a sega genesis game
Wasn't even worth pirating

What's the new update?

>>389460197
Just some minor bug fixes and a softlock fix, SEGA is fully intent on not noticing the Crack.

>>389438613
I was

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it's goooood

>>389460357
>>389460197
Is the patch added to the cracked version yet?

Is there a way?

t. piracy noob

>>389460772
Just give them time. If SEGA didn't bother to update the Denuvo version, then a cracked version of the update will come soon, hell maybe even quicker this time.

does Denuvo offer some kind of warranty to the companies that hire their services?
Honestly, $100,000 for 8 days worth of piracy protection seems kind of a ripoff, SEGA should get their money back.

>make the perfect Sonic game
>port it to PC
>add DRM needlessly, causing controversy and fucking over the reception at launch
>it was all for nothing anyway
Is Sega retarded? Why would anyone do this?

>>389461095
From what i've heard, Denuvo makes money as long as games don't get cracked for 2 months, otherwise they get a refund.

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Reminder that whether you pirate or not Denuvo is bad for you.

>>389461398
I have a Radeon HD 4670 and a first gen AMD Phenom II X4. That's a toaster, my friend, and it never drops any frames. It should run on complete shit old laptops though and I believe that Denuvo probably prevents that for some people.

>>389461398
Nobody ever learns. The mob's attention span is too short. This is how corporations win. Persistence with a longer memory. They just keep pushing long enough for their new standard to be all we remember and then suddenly it's permissible to the average consumer. Its how DLC caught on, it's how we're now ok with cancerous DRM, and it's how Bethesda's paid mods will win.

We have no consumer advocacy and it is killing us.

>>389440393
they would lose a sizable market of kids with decent PCs but no consoles who bought sonic games.
they already said 'fuck you' to japan and stopped releasing PC ports for them years ago, though. they haven't seen any PC sonic games since sonic heroes. even though all the sonic games on steam support japanese, nobody in japan can buy them because FUCK YOU

>>389457546
It's not reasonable to expect that a DRM implementation will never be cracked.

>>389446094
(kimi)

>>389461670
It's reason to expect that DRM might prevent piracy for several months, because it's happened many times.

>>389446094
a lot of people are retarded and bitch about DRM when steamworks is literally DRM
but, steamworks is also

>>389447297
mods are extremely doable and the current version of the Sonic Mania Mod Loader allows you to load in code DLLs on the paid-for Steam release of the game (and maybe the pirated versions, I haven't checked)
that being said, it might be a while to see them appear, especially since doing code mods right now would need a rewrite if they went and updated things assuming any of the relevant addresses changed (and they will)

>>389459027
wine is typically pretty damn fast, although certain things regarding directdraw and direct3D just don't mesh with how Wine has to handle screen updates, killing performance

>>389462572
Shit, I'd be happy with just user made levels/zones. Any idea if anyone has done any work on levels yet?

>>389445243
>>389450273

I actually found that the OS misreports the writes of Denuvo titles because of obfuscation, the same way it's hard to track how many writes a VM process is doing.
Though legitimate virtual machines tend to not try to hide it's write-outs, things like EasyAntiCheat and Denuvo actively use kernel-level bullshit to bypass usual measurements.

But while using Primocache with Write-Deferring set to 60 seconds, I saw absolutely MASSIVE amounts of block writes, and a lot of it got discarded by the defer-trimming (if a block was written to more than once, primocache will only output the final state of the block 60 seconds after it hasn't been touched or the cache is full of newer blocks)

that means it's writing to the same blocks over and over and over an unwholesome number of times.

(game was F1 2017, by the way)

>>389463047
that would seem to imply that denuvo knows its burning through ssd writes and are trying to cover it up

you're just making stuff up

>>389463371
...

>>389463515
/v/ is hopeless, Anon. Gaming is hopeless. These are the people who are okay with companies fucking them in the ass for greater profit. We're SOL.

>>389463002
afaik, there isn't anything on that front yet

>>389438421
Quick, someone post fat Rosy

>>389463047
>I saw absolutely MASSIVE amounts of block writes, and a lot of it got discarded by the defer-trimming
Why don't you post your findings and methods so others can attempt to repeat them?

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>>389464647
NO!!!

>>389438591
Majority of sales come in the first week retard, it goes down after that slowly. Fuck off piratecuck.

Those 8 days probably saved Sega over $100,000. Not from me though ;^)

>>389447901
>>389448334
Do your have Windows 8.1 or 10? Right click the .iso and select "Mount". It's that easy.

But if you still have Windows 7, get DaemonTools or whatever other virtual disc drive program and use that to mount the iso in a simple three steps (Run DaemonTools, create Virtual Drive at the click of a button, mount iso to that drive).

denuvo btfo

brb torrenting it

NEW UPDATE WAS JUST CRACKED!

>>389441998
Do some work you lazy fuck. Google Amy rose. Add porn cause that's what your looking for. What else the pic has? The word han? Look those with it. I wanted source too

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>>389465368
Poor Denuvo. Someone take that boy out back and shoot it

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>>389461095
>SEGA should get their money back
I hope they don't get it. Those pieces of shit deserve everything bad they get for this bullshit they pulled.

>>389466669
I already tried and couldn't find it

>>389438262

Where is the megaz link, goddamnit!

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>delay the game for 2 weeks on pc to add denuvo
>denuvo gets cracked in a week
it took longer to add denuvo than it did to remove it, and they already lost a lot of pc sales anyways thanks announcing the initial delay 4 days before the game was set to release.

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>>389440453
>>389441530
>>389441954
>I don't want mods in my Sonic games anymore
fucking plebs

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>>389445362
fantastic

>>389450707
Reminder that not everyone lives in lolmerica and there are places where getting 200$ a month for 5/2 job is considered pretty good.

>>389468473
>Decide to ignore the people asking to remove Denuvo and push out a patch for the game.
>It get's cracked in hours now.

>>389438516
it's been around almost as long as there have been video games, it isn't going anywhere soon.

>>389438262
So any trusted page with the download link lads?

>>389438517
Nah. It failed every time

>>389439423
>slowing game down in the mean time

Let's be honest it's not gonna affect a game like Sonic Mania running at full speed unless you're running something somehow worse than toaster-tier

>>389469639
It increases load times

>>389450707
>>389447173
OH SHIT TOTAL SEETHING