FINAL FANTASY 16 NEVER >Tabata-san explained that for i

>an uninspired excuse for why FF16 will be delayed for another decade

I cared back in highschool. I couldn't care less anymore.

>>389381313
Sadly only his team know how to make modern AAA game in SE.
Tabata knows gaming technologies because he originaly was an engineer at tecmo.
For example, nomura was originally art designer who doesn't know fucking technologies. and toriyama was also story writter.
SE should put people who was engineer to game director if they want to release AAA games smoothly

>>389383171
Actually Nomura started as a debugger on IV and worked his way up from there.
Also i wouldn't say that they're the only ones that know how to make AAA games, let alone make them at all.
They had almost infinite budget and 3 to 3 1/2 years to make an early access game with a big empty world and 3-4 dungeons

So why is he focusing on the tech he will have to downgrade again for underpowered machines instead of fun game play and captivating story

>>389383171
>Sadly only his team know how to make modern AAA game in SE.
CLEARLY not. Versus had far better tech than XV did.

Do you know that Business Division 2 (Tabata's team) is just one of the SE development teams, right?

No no, but let's shitpost..

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>>389381313
I hope they keep Luminous engine, if they make another engine they are incredibly retarded & we won't see FF16 until 2025

Also i wonder if FF7R will be moved to Next Gen

8th gen of consoles turning out to be more and more of a blunder

with gaming systems reaching more and more towards a potential that most developers will never be able to fully employ perhaps long-lasting generations like the 7th gen are a good idea
games have become so much more expensive to make that 6 years per generation is leaving less and less of a library for each system

>>389384051
The reason this gen has less quality games than it should is because of mobile and PC gaming not because games are becoming more expensive because that, as always, is a meme. Companies not understanding how they should budget their games is not a good excuse.

>>389383743
Nomura admitted the E3 2013 demo was run on a super high end PC, that was never gonna run on Consoles

>>389383171
>Literally don't know the limited of console and fucked up the whole development they have to do it again
>Literally same fucking mistake as Tetsuya 'I'm fucking autist" Nomura

Hell No.

>>389384027
Or just stop being a retard and use shit like UE instead. SE always shit out stupid engine.

>>389384264
>not because games are becoming more expensive because that, as always, is a meme.
lol
you go tell that to the investors and budgeting.

>>389384452
And it looked better than XV on PC that has been shown on a PC that's literally magnitudes stronger than whatever he had in 2013.

Stupid argument. Think before you post.

>>389383171
No, Toriyama might have a vision TECHNOLOGY wise, but his actual vision for a the actual final product in terms of content and replayability are a joke.

>>389384584
Because XV is made for Xbone specs in mind & the PC version is the same with Gameworks chucked on

Xbone has a shit tier jaguar CPU, a gimped 7790 with low bandwidth RAM, the PC 2013 FFXV probably has something along the lines of an i7 & 780 Ti as a base, that's miles ahead of Xbone

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>>389381313
>Started playing FF at 8 and loved it
>Played 9 and loved it even more
>Played all the others while waiting for 10 and loved them
>10 came out and I fucking loved it one of my fave FF games
>10-2 came out thought it was top tier and had the best gameplay
>12 come out, meh it's alright
>Liked the 13 games somewhat and waited patiently for the next one
>Played 15 and hated the fuck out of it
>Tfw you don't give a shit about final fantasy anymore besides Dissidia and other nostalgia bait

Fuck FF15, piece of shit open world trash with no plot, characters or good gameplay.

>>389384584
and FFXV on PC is a port of the console version so of course it's not gonna look as good as a specially made tech demo when it's gimped by console standards.

Stupid argument. Think before you post.

>>389384951
>Because XV is made for Xbone specs in mind
As was Versus. Another shitty argument.

>>389385031
>and FFXV on PC is a port of the console version
According to them this isn't even true.

>>389383743

Well one is an actual game that can be run and the other is a tech demo of a scripted sequence that never left the scope of that singular sequence.

>>389384027
Luminous Engine literally ruined XV. Shit graphics, graphic glitches, fucking JAGGIES. It's no wonder they switched to Unreal in shame for FF7r and KH3.

>>389384027
They're moving towards unreal for good reason

>>389381313
>>On top of that, the multimedia nature of the Final Fantasy XV project, with many entry points for the audience, is also a framework that the team wants to use and build upon for its next games.
Maybe if all parts of the XV's multimedia approach weren't ass it'd be an alright thing.

Only time I've saw it done well was with Dead Space. The game was fantastic, the book was good, and the animated movie was an alright look from another perspective.

>>389385090
It wasn't Versus in 2013, it was FFXV & Nomura admitted it would be downscaled for Consoles later on & it was.

Problem was Square didn't quite know how underpowered the Consoles would be, they clearly spent a lot of time rebuilding the game.

>>389385664
>It wasn't Versus in 2013, it was FFXV
That explains why absolutely nothing you saw in those trailers or gameplay videos was in the game, and they still were promoting Versus characters and story elements right?

Fuck off retard.

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>>389385006
Soon.

>>389385958
>>389385958
It stopped being Versus in 2010 if we are being technical, at that point they rewrote it & brought in Ardyn & others, Stella was downgraded to a peace princess role like Luna, the focus wasn't on dark gothic cities anymore but more open sunny forest environments to appeal to Westerners since they knew this was being transitioned into a main title, etc

2013 footage was very much FFXV

>>389381313
Main series FFs haven't been good for a while so that's fine, just keep the spinoffs coming.

>>389385184
I'm glad FF7 and KH3 escaped that mess.

>>389386634
We haven't seen FF7R in 2 years & CC2 has been kicked off the project

>>389386634
It's funny how quickly they were able to come out with FF7R and KH3 gameplay footage compared to FFXV after they switched engines.

>>389386763
FF7R was mock up gameplay & reused XV's animations

>>389386464
>It stopped being Versus in 2010 if we are being technical,
You aren't being technical, you're talking strictly about the title of the project.

Versus was still being shown in 2013 Stella was in that trailer and all of the gameplay and story elements was still Nomura's.

Nothing from those trailers is in XV, because XV was made in roughly 3 years only.

>>389386927
Roberto Ferrari confirmed they brought Ardyn into it by 2010

It wasn't Versus after that since they took away the Romeo & Juliet theme, it wasn't about Noctis & Stella anymore but more about Noctis saving the world from big bad Ardyn

>>389387246
>Roberto Ferrari confirmed they brought Ardyn into it by 2010
Your point?

>It wasn't Versus after that
>Romeo & Juliet theme
Nice opinion and utter nonsense. Regardless it wasn't XV under Tabata.

>>389386924
Nah, most of the buster sword swings are not in XV let alone the finishers, neither are Barrets attacks

FF was never good

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>>389385006
>likedX2
>liked 13

>>389381313
Aren't there multiple teams working on Final Fantasy? IX and X were in development at the same time, same with XII and XIII, etc. XVI is almost certainly being worked on as we speak by a totally different team not headed by Tabata.

>>389387708
No. What happened 20 years ago with Squaresoft has nothing to do with Square-Enix's mismanagement.

>>389387440
I'd say it WAS 15 under Tabata. versus was Nomura's. At first I was pissed that people kept saying 15 was made by Tabata since I still had hope that even if the story and characters changed itd still have that Nomura feel. But after playing that train wreck he can keep it.

>>389381313
Who cares, the Bravely teams titles are the real FFs at this point and not the glorified graphic demos that have FFXIII and FFXV slapped on them.
Octopath Traveler will be more FF than the eldritch abomination XVI will be.

>>389387975
>I'd say it WAS 15 under Tabata
You're clearly a retard. Can you not read?

>>389387772
>20 years ago

FFXIII released about 8 years ago. And more recently there was FFXIV and World of Final Fantasy which are both on current gen machines. There's still different teams. Would be amazed if they let Tabata make another mainline game honestly, after the XIII trilogy Toriyama got relegated to a mobile game.

>>389381313
did they make her breasts bigger?
never noticed them been that big
i like it

>>389388105
>>Being this salty even when someone agrees with you


wew

>>389381313
>While the Windows Edition of Final Fantasy XV represents the current level of technological achievement for the studio

Bull fucking shit. No way in FUCKING HELL will a fucking JAPANESE developer make a PC version of a game that's in any way shape or form visually impressive, let alone better than the console versions. I guarantee you that the PC version at max settings will literally look just like the PS4 version, but will require high end hardware like a 1080 and i7 to just run at 60FPS/1080p. You niggas gonna get played if you think this is going to be anything good.

>>389386464
>at that point they rewrote it & brought in Ardyn & others, Stella was downgraded to a peace princess role like Luna, the focus wasn't on dark gothic cities anymore but more open sunny forest environments
Nice headcanon. Hiring an artist to draw characters and showing off more of the game is not rewriting the story you fucking idiot
>to appeal to Westerners since they knew this was being transitioned into a main title, etc
They didn't. They wouldn't know it would be made into main title for another 2 years

>>389383532
Regardless, Nomura will tell you himself that he only worked at Square because he loved Amano's artwork.

He's not a video game designer at heart. He doesn't understand programming or technology or their limitations. That's why he keeps taking on these big projects that spend years in development and never go anywhere beyond some pretty trailers that get people excited beyond would could actually be feasibly doable in a playable game.

>>389389667
>when someone agrees with you
wew

>>389389917
it's already been shown to be better bud just like most nip games on PC.

>>389383171
>uses Luminous which didn't work great with the open world nature
If Tabata's the only competent man in SE with technology then this place should've crashed long ago

>>389390160
>He's not a video game designer at heart. He doesn't understand programming or technology or their limitations.

>“Yes, it was in the dawn of spring. Using a book as reference, I used basic programming and made games,” explains Nomura. “Also, I played Tennis and Ping Pong on the Color TV-Game, and I also have plenty of memories of playing Legends of Stararthur Planet Mephius (pictured above) on PC. I believe I was able to play video games at a relatively early time because of that. However, I never bought the Famicom when it was released when I was in middle school, but I played it after borrowing it in high school.”
Read more at http://www.siliconera.com/2014/03/13/tetsuya-nomura-talks-childhood-joined-square/
Please, do not make things up. Nomura was making games in middle school

>>389390321
>better
>still worse visually than the old PC tech demo they shown years ago
>it looks much closer to the console release than it does the tech demo

and also

>nip games
>PC

pick one and only one

>>389390546
You realize PC has more nip exclusives let alone ports or multiplats than the PS4 right?

>>389383171
Shame the guy cannot direct a good game.

>>389390461
He also was taught under Ito
>“Hiroyuki Ito who was in charge of the battle system taught me the basics of making your own game,” answers Nomura. “This wasn’t used for the game, but he told me things like ‘just make magic spells easily obtainable through money,’ or ‘it’s okay to just allow enemies to all be hit by pressing a single button’ and ‘don’t stick to existing concepts, but it’s okay to use some ideas from them’.”
http://www.siliconera.com/2014/03/13/final-fantasy-v-turning-point-tetsuya-nomuras-career/

>>389390546
>it doesn't matter if it's better, it's not better
>reeeeee

>>389390719
>VNs
>games

topjej

call me when pc gets nip games of a caliber as high as nioh

>>389391053
>games aren't games
>being better doesn't mean it's better
Let's put aside how retarded you are and laugh at how retarded you are.

>nioh
Loving every laugh.

>>389391034
>literally PS4 game with like a dozen more bushes on screen and that's it
>requires high end hardware to match PS4 performance
>took two years to come to PC

>"better"

>>389391202
>sour grapes: the post

once again pc will never, EVER, get games as ambitious and as attractive as nioh, yakuza, or what have you

but please sign more petitions

>>389391343
Sour grapes: the post.

It's alright to be wrong you autistic shitlord. Keep sperging though.

>>389391472
hey, at least i have actual games to play and aren't lording over two year old ports like always

*goes back to Yakuza Kiwami*

>>389391003
Just ignore him, anyone that thinks Nomura is just an artist is retarded. There's a reason most game artist don't end up in the position he's in and it's because they lack actual game design sense.

>they still let tabata touch anything after the mess that was and is FFXV

They only care about money. We're in for the long haul and will never get another game as good as ff9 again

Did anyone seriously believe that FF16 is even in development or would enter development in the next 5 years? FF7 remake will be the hotness; and if that is uber successful, FF8 remake will follow.

>>389383171
>Sadly only his team know how to make modern AAA game in SE.
Sure, working with Luminous was a wise decision.

>>389386147
What is this lazy shit? Ran out of ideas again so they're just going to rehash Tactics for the 5th time?

Versus when?

FFXV was the best since IX

>>389392123

Lets be honest, Squeenix took Nomura away from a cake that was half baked and still in the ovne, and then had Tabata finish the cake with just a concept drawing of what it was supposed to look like when finished. Tabata isn't Jesus, but they don't want him to be. They just want him to deliver a complete cake, regardless of how hollow it is inside.

>Nomura takes the KH2 team and starts working on Versus
>Square keeps pulling people away to fix XIII and XIV
>Nomura kicked off the project and has to do VII and KH3 without his main team
>Tabata has the KH2 team doing random fucking shit even after XV has release

What a disaster, it's a nightmare that never ends

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>>389392375
Even brought Matsuno back to do the rehashing!

>>389392514
>concept drawing of what it was supposed to look like when finished.
Then he threw away the drawing

>>389392659
There's no "KH2 team" anymore when wil lpeople learn this.
Back then there was the Tokyo divison, that worked on KH and started on V13. But a lot of them don't even work at Square anymore, parts worked on XV, but Tabata actually exchanged a lot of them because he wanted younger members, parts now work together with a differnent team on KH3 and parts work on 7.
The team as it existed back then is no more.

In the end it still comes back to SEs management at the time though, everything when the HD era started was a total mess for 4-5 years

>>389392994
Gooch admitted SE also brought him back to help shill xv last year

>>389392375
At least the poster is good.

>>389392994
Matsuno actually plays the game, and one of the designers, I forget which, worked with Matsuno on XII.

They've even joked many times how Matsuno will ask questions like "when are you going to do this type of QoL" and such.

>>389393968
A lot of the Ivalice team that's still around is on XIV iirc.

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>>389392375
>he doesn't know FFXIV is the theme park of all Final Fantasies.

>>389393968
Well seeing how bad XII was no doubt this will suck too

>>389394227
Jesus fucking dobson.

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>"On top of that, the multimedia nature of the Final Fantasy XV project, with many entry points for the audience, is also a framework that the team wants to use and build upon for its next games."

I warned you idiots. Tabata ruined fucking everything.

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>FF13 was a pointless pursuit of technology and a fuckton of art assets with no real vision on how to make them into a game
>Universally considered a blunder

>FF14 was a rushed game and a fuckton of art assets with no real vision on how to make them into a game
>Nearly tanked the company

>FF15 was a rushed, pointless pursuit of technology a fuckton of art assets with no real vision on how to make them into a game
>It's a pile of steaming garbage

>Hey what if we tried to make some kind of technological marvel out of our next Final Fantasy game
When will they learn

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>>389396667
>the Omen trailer was just a bad dream Noctis had

>>389396960
I'm surprised people don't talk about that more. It's the most baffling shit.

>>389381313
Who cares. I can wait for whatever they bring. I was disappointed but satisfied somewhat with FFXV and I would rather play that game than anything the West puts out. I think this console generation has been one of the best.

>>389398210
$0.05 have been deposited to your PSN account

>>389398210
dumb weeb

>>389381313
>waaah can't make more games cause of consoles we need to wait for next level of tech
>PC IS RIGHT THERE WITH THE TECH ALL READY FOR THEM TO USE
>THEY'RE RELEASING THEIR GAMES ON PC EVEN SO KNOW THIS

dumb faggots

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>>389383743
No it didn't, what the fuck? Are you fucking retarded?

>>389384584
Except XV in the final game looked magnitudes better than the 2013 PC footage.

>>389385184
Wrong, not only is XV the second best looking open world RPG on PS4 but once it comes to PC it'll shit all over W3 on PC.

They moved kh3 and 7r to ue4 because they moved to UE4 in 2014, luminous didn't finish until 2016 and was being made alongside XV which is standard practice for a game engine to be made alongside a single game to complete the engine with. There would be no point in moving KH3 and 7R to luminous this far in their development, KH3 restarted from the ground up and ported whatever they had done from 2013 to 2014 when they moved to UE4 in 2014, and 7R started in 2014.

>>389385958
You're a fucking retard, 2013 was FFXV and Tabata had been co-director on it since 2012, also the 2013 PC build was a prototype build with the insomnia citadel that Tabata lead as he said as soon as he joined in 2012 he was tasked with making that, not Nomura.
Nomura just used clips from Tabata's insomnia prototype build in his trailer mixed with CG of Altissia pretending to be gameplay.

>>389386927
>>389387440
Stella was changed into being Noctis's childhood friend by 2013 which is completely different to Versus Stella who met Noctis for the first time as adults at the party, 2013 Stella has more in common with Luna and pretty much is in all but name.

Also again Tabata had been on XV since 2012, it stopped internally being versus in 2012 when it was rebooted to XV which is when Tabata came on as codirector and tasked with leading the creation of the prototype build in insomnia running on PC.

>>389390327
Tabata is literally the head of business division 2 aka the advanced technology division, the only reason they kept using luminous for XV was because Nomura forced them to because he set them on that path before SE even started using UE4.

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>>389381313
So, now he is trying to save face and simply saying that currently not even PCs can show his true vision? Can this faggot ever stop spewing lies?

>>389398468
>>389398592
u

>>389385006
wait what happend with ff14
why does nobody talks about it

>>389390546
But it is much better than that old demo

>>389392123
XV was great though

>>389392346
Yes it was actually, XV runs and looks better on console than any of SEs UE4 games too

>>389399763
Why do you keep doing this XV-kun? Not even you actually playd the fucking dlcs, you don't even get money out of this

>>389399890
He's an intern at Business Division 2. Like every rookie, they need to master the art of the shill in order to climb the ranks.

>>389398810
kys xv-cunt

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>>389392123
>They only care about money.
thats only partly true, they also care about noodles

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>>389396667
Who fucking thought putting someone in charge who only worked on PSP games was a good idea?

>mfw I waited for this game since I was 12 years old

>>389381983

>>389401919
This is some shitty product placement if you ask me

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>>389398810