>/v/ says it's shit >it's actually awesome Why

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>>389354669
>it's actually awesome
(You)

how does a complete fucking froob start playing RTS like these? what civ would be a good start?

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>>389354915
dumb frog poster

>>389354669
Why do you shill

Civ VI was fine but this is still retarded

>>389356023
It's not RTS. It's turn-based. Essentially an electronic board game with lots of depth.

Civ VI is lame as fuck because the AI is so unbelievably retarded and everyone ends up hating you for reasons you only have the illusion of controlling

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>>389356143
>everyone ends up hating you for reasons you only have the illusion of controlling
Just like real life, huh?

>>389354669
>great art style
>great music
>great mechanics
>the AI and thus the core fucking gameplay is absolute dogshit

it hurts

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>>389356542
The AI was recently overhauled. They're still unpredictable and they still play to win and will ruse the hell out of you but at least they're not insane any more.

Also there's a bunch of new annoying bugs in the game right now that are related to the new AI that need to be patched out.

>>389356815
Oh yeah? It's nice to hear it's gotten some development then. I pirated to consider picking it up and found the AI to be atrocious, but if it does get some development put into it then it's definitely a reason to pick it up sometime in the future.

Anywhere I can check out further development?

>>389354669
>it's actually awesome
It's not. It's probably even worse than the original Civ V. I'm sure it'll become playable and maybe even good in a couple of years, but now it's trash.

>>389357112
>It's probably even worse than the original Civ V
no not even close

>>389356815
Got a source on this?

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>>389356023
>RTS

>>389354669

Doesn't take a genius to know this is your first Civ game and thus you have no idea how bad it is compared to earlier ones.

To be fair, the same can be said for Civ V and most of its players.

Even with two expansions, V is still far worse than both III and IV. At least VI has potential to be saved by expansions still.

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Civ4:BTS was the last civ.

Which game should a newcomer to the series start with?

>>389359828
6. It's the newest, will be the best after DLC and has the best performance. Music is great too.

>>389359828
Either IV: Beyond the Sword, or V: Brave New World. Both are good.

>>389359828
IV or Alpha Centauri
>>389360301
>will be the best after DLC
wishful thinking

I have never played any of the Civ games.
Which one has most content and is most challenging?

The workshop mods are absolutely shit in comparison to Civ 5's

>>389354669
We just assumed you didn't have shit taste.

>>389359582
>that user interface
fuck no

>>389361868
What about it?

The biggest issue I had was the AI ALWAYS did a surprise war after each and every time they ask to pass through my territory. Did they fix that shit yet?

>>389362121
It's shit. I can't believe I was able to use it when I was 8.

most of the changes from V+addons seemed great beforehand, and I can't put the finger on anything that doesn't work, but the game isn't very fun for some reason.

It's fun to play on the quickest setting for somewhere between 50-150 turns, but after you got a religion and your core empire set up the joy disappears

>>389356143
When has Civ ever had non retarded AI?

Hope they fired whoever was in charge of the UI, having to press 3 buttons for things I could do with 1 in CivV is just fucking stupid.

>>389362389
Worked fine for me? What do you mean exactly?

>>389356542
The AI in these games will never be good and the more complexity they add the more obvious it will be how bad it is. The AI in V couldn't do 1UPT or decent city placement. They still can't, and on top of poor city placement their district placement sucks. Adding agendas only serves to make their diplomatic AI worse, which they should've noticed early in development but I guess they were too set on having it as a gimmick.

>>389362626
How much of a clusterfuck it is. Civ 5 had an easier to navigate layout.

Has /v/ EVER been right?

>>389356542
The soundtrack in this game actually kind of sucks due to lack of variation. Sure the Civilization themes are nice but that's pretty much all that plays and it gets jarring.

>>389362521
The issue is that for most games the results are already set some 200 turns in.

>>389354669
Is the AI still absolutely fucking retarded and has to cheat in order to get by?

>>389362521
End game is a pretty big slog. The AI turn times are still way of whack and trade routes/spies aren't automated. The AI has a bad habit of only keeping around classical-medieval units so rolling over them is trivial but doing it the fun way (i.e. getting nukes) is too much effort.

>>389354669
HAHAHAHAHA get out

>>389354669
>start the game
>place you city somewhere
>never take a single decision in the rest of the game unless you want instant pain and boredom

>>389363786
Agreed. Early game is exciting and moves quickly because you have few units and you're constantly exploring new land. Little by little, though, it starts to get slower and slower.

>>389356542
>great art style

It looks like fucking Clash of Clans. What the fuck are you talking about?

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>>389354669
I can't wait for the expansion pack so I can pay £40 to have the game be the way it should have been on release

>>389364064

Feels like you're describing multiple 4x games.

>>389362774
nah

>>389364204
Firaxis always does this. Enemy Unknown, CIV 5, Xcom 2 and now CIV VI.

>>389364282
Ah huh.

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>>389359828
>>389360301
Don't get 6 now. It's currently broken and they haven't said when/if they'll fix it.

played one game on normal length but it felt like it lasted an eternity. so fucking slow. the politics and religious systems are very shit in this game. they made a big deal of 'putting in all the systems' into the game but none of them feel fleshed out.

the ui is a mess. the district adjacency bonuses are really poorly explained. you cannot easily access the information that you want.

play endless space 2 instead. it's a joy compared to how bogged down civ 5 is in fluff.

>>389364734
gotta wait untl the next DLC goy

>>389364447

Civ VI is the most complete vanilla game it's ever been.

>>389364734
>they're becoming like Paradox the same way Creative Assembly did
Like pottery.

>>389354669
It is the worst game in the series and it doesn't deserve to have the name it does.
Cancerous piece of shit.
sage

>>389365672
>worst game in the series
Beyond Earth exists anon, no matter how much people deny it.

>>389365672
>announcing your sage

>>389366193
>he doesn't announce his sage

I'm sageing your post because of that.

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>>389364159
It'll age better than V, which was bland when it came out and already looks like garbage. The leaders actually have some personality now.

>>389356496
>implying rl doesn't suck

How come CIv VI still doesn't have any expansion packs?

>>389367175
Because Xcum2 was first, CIV is next.

>>389367175
because DLC shekeling period
it took nearly 2 years for V to get an expansion

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Is there a compelling reason to play it over modded Civ 5 yet?

>>389367175
Too busy selling overpriced country packs. It'll cost me 6 didgeridollars just to play as my own country. Fuck that noise.

>>389362678
The issue is that Firaxis makes extremely simple and far reaching errors with their AI that absolutely cripples them. Like ranged units in 5 being unable to move and attack in one turn, completely crippling them at naval combat. Or not being able to stack or cross civilian units, causing roadblocks. Modders fixed it. Better city placement AI should be trivial.

>>389354669
Did they fix the retarded balance between hammers and beakers/culture?
I played at release, and it took like 50 turns to build anything, while research took like 5 turns max

>>389364734
Hasn't that basically been in the game since day one? I remember people abusing the ai with shit like that.

>>389356815
>they still play to win
>they left in the root of the problem, but it's better than ever!!!

>>389366808
>and already looks like garbage

V still looks great, what are you smoking?

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>>389368006
What are you smoking?

why do these companies that used to make great games start making them worse and worse WITHOUT being bought by EA/Activision etc?
why are xcom2, beyond earth, civ6 such garbage compared to their predecessors?

>>389366808
That cartoony art style was a horrible decision though. Civ 5 was cartoony already, but this is just over the top.

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>>389368221
Because pic related. I get the feeling that Firaxis would like to try something else for a change other than endless CIV/XCOM sequels

>>389368126
>Searches for Civ V low settings

Retard.

>>389368437
Reviving XCOM was them trying something else.

>>389368291
The worst part about the style is that it's pretty uninspired and inconsistent. Some leaders look human, some look like monsters and there doesn't seem to be much reason to it.

>>389368291
Nothing wrong with over the top. Civ was never about subtlety or nuance.

>>389354669

I hope you like all Civilizations immediately hating you.

>>389362923
Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrring
No it doesn't play the same theme unless you're like playing on an island all by yourself.

Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrring

>>389369665
>No it doesn't play the same theme unless you're like playing on an island all by yourself.
It plays through the themes of the civs you've met, and they are all the same themes rehashed through the game. It sucks.

>>389369849
Met the Russians. The Peddlers starts playing. Keeps playing randomly. I mean I like Tetris and all, but goddamn play something else.

What are some reasons for me to uninstall Civ 6 and install 5 instead? Asking as a mostly newfag to the series.

>>389371358
Mostly that Civ 5 has a fuckton of content - Civ games get better the more expansions and civs they have, and Civ 5 had like 50 civs near the end a lot of fun gameplay options.