>Metroid: Samus Returns (3DS) – 8/8/8/8 [32/40] I'm

>3D game on hardware as weak as the 3DS
They could've made the prettiest sprite-based game out there but they went with godawful 3D for no damn reason at all. I bet it runs like shit too.

The thing is, they didn't just "update the visuals." They completely took an Other M shit on Metroid 2

>>389330426
How so?

Nips hate Metroid, and Famitsu is a joke anyway. They barely play the games before throwing a number at them.

>>389330312
Mother fucker, that's an 80.

>>389330312
>Famitsu
>Japan
>Metroid

Nothing to see here folks. Just another hungry shitposter.

>8
>Bad score
You're what's wrong with gaming

>>389330312
>>389330370
This is the same score they gave Sonic Mania.

>>389330661
This is average score of Gust kusoge, so yes I don't want metroid to be on the same level.

>>389330312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5bqMDGWXO8

They gave prime 1 and 2 a 33

>>389330554
>Nips hate Metroid
Nani?

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>>389330312
>8 is bad

I honest to god hope this game is great, but it has raised so many red flags I feel like it's gonna bomb tremendously
>mercury stream
>adding "I win" abilities instead of fleshing out old ones or creating interesting new ones
>2.5D with awful art design thanks to the 3DS and its tiny ass resolution clashing hard with an attempt at a more detailed samus
>content supposedly perma-locked behind amiibos with no way to unlock it through regular play
>metroid forms design looks a tad off, with too many sharp edges
I know it all boils down to opinions and nitpicks, but damn this might really stop me from getting the game. still want that squishy metroid tho

>>389330870
What did they give 3, which should be the lowest?

>>389330974
Its bad from Famitsu.

>>389330976
Mercurysteam should be the only red flag you need. But I still hope that you enjoy it and your series doesn't die like mine did. Good and Godly luck to you, anon.

>>389330985
31

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>>389330976
An 8 honestly seems too high for MercurySteam.

>>389330312
>Famitsu

Jesus Christ anon, at least wait until the review embargo is up if you want to concern troll.

>>389331019
Not an argument
They gave MGS4 and Peace Walker a perfect score

>AM2R is better
Called it. Eat shit, marketers

>>389330312
>how is it possible?

The 2.5D visuals often end up like shit and feeling clunky in this type of game. Like Bloodstained for instance.

>>389331141
MGS4 was the game where I realized critic scores were meaningless, what did they give MGS1-3?

>>389330661
This is the publication that gave NINTENDOGS and METAL GEAR SOLID 4: GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: All Star Battle and Skyrim and Skyward Sword perfect scores

so uh, famitsu is sort of a rag of a publication when it comes to their critics. no integrity or taste. Samus Returns is probably not an 8. It's likely less.

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>Famitsu
>Trusting the review outlet that gave Metroid Other M a 35/40

>>389330312
Metroid II was a 6/6/6/6 at best, the remake improved upon the original but there's only so much you can do with it as your base.

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>>389331326
>Samus Returns is probably not an 8. It's likely less.
We've known that from the start, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.

>>389330312
It's a western developed game.

So that means be default it doesn't have the polish of Japanese games.

>>389331210
What's AM2R's Famitsu score?

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>>389330554
>nips hate metroid

I love this meme, almost as much as the metroid doesn't sell in japan meme

>>389331352
You should play AM2R, you'd be shocked. Well-made remakes can fix even bad games.

>>389331141
>peace walker a perfect score

how? PW is legitimately one of the worst games I've ever played in my life

>>389331326
Remember like ten years ago when there was this idea going around that famitsu were super harsh

metroid 2 isnt even a good game

>>389331436
>Nips like Metroid, look at these worldwide sales!
Wooow

>>389330312
>listening to Japanese ign

fuck off.

>>389330312
>same dev who made the 3DS castlevanias
woah... who could have seen this coming

>>389331436
Those are pretty weak numbers, not to mention the bulk of sales always does come from the west.

>>389331436
So why has metroid been in hibernation? Did Other M really set it that far back?

>>389331478
You must've skipped MGS4.

>>389331478
One of the MGS games had Famitsu product placement in it

>>389331509
Remember ten years ago when /v/ wasn't known as /pol/ 2.0 formerly known as /b/ 2.0?

>>389331556
4 is a lot better than the piece of shit PW

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>>389331548

>>389331436
>one japanese sale comparison of what is considered one of the best games of all time versus a series that never did very strongly most of the time, and a GBA and DS FE game outstrip it easily
>no other comparisons
Okay, anon

>>389331539
that's what people mean typically. in comparison to the west they're garbage.

>>389331548
unironically yes

>>389331596
because there are no others, not until SR sales are released to compare with awakening/fates (even then fates is inflated with shitty split game bullshit)

>>389331587
4 is great. even the boss fights are amazing.

>>389331593
That doesn't mean anything to me. What were the sales?
If it sold well, then what happened? Was the nintendo yakuza really just senile?

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>the first game famitsu gave a perfect score to was OoT, which actually deserved it
>it's all been downhill from there

>>389331326
They gave Sonic Mania the same score as Samus Returns. 3 points lower than fucking Other M. This says more about Famitsu than it does about the game.

>>389331646
>because there are no others,
Then what is the point of a comparison list? The numbers are already uneven, what with Fire Emblem having several JP-only games, but if you can't even get all the numbers, only for one Metroid game, then there''s no point trying to PUSH a point.

>>389330312
I wish reviewers would just say if they liked something instead of shoehorning in some arbitrary number, as though it made sense. this isn't the 90's anymore. they need to drop this tired system.

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>>389330312
>8? But that's, like, a 2!

>>389331651
Raging Raven is awful, it's a bullet sponge boss that plays like a generic third person shooter boss and completely strips out multiple ways to take on the boss something that the series is known for, it's completely out of place and is just garbage.

>>389331593
>"People"
>A handful of nobodies and litteraly whos on metacritic

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>>389331705
>which actually deserved it

>>389331729
8/8/8/8 is Famitsu's number of the beast

>>389331738
raging raven is the only bad boss in MGS4, compare that to every non-monster hunter boss being a piece of shit in PW

>>389331725
t. GameXplain

>>389330450
The action slowing down when enemies charging at you incentivizes using the melee attack to instantly kill enemies with a shot. There's also the addition of cutscenes and the Power Grip, which completely trivializes any platforming. Also, why are there fucking puzzles in a goddamn Metroid game? The whole thing looks terrible.

>>389331706
it's too bad no one bothers seeing WHO reviewed it, and gets insight into their history/what they like/dislike. I guess that would be too much effort. I miss how EGM would do it, with 3 distinct personalities discussing something and why they gave it what they did, while criticizing eachothers' scores.

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>>389331705
>OoT, which actually deserved it

>>389331797
Outside of the first cutscenes that introduces the mechanic, the action does not slow down when enemies charge at you.

>>389331792
Well PW is bottom of the barrel trash, EVERY boss is just a bullet sponge so yeah 4's bosses stack up nicely there but compared stuff like Vulcan Raven or The End I found 4's bosses lacking aside from Crying Wolf which was really good and the Liquid fight at the end is a classic.

>>389331792
nah, raging raven is great. you're just parroting tired memes. next you're gonna say it's short and chapter three was shit.

it's no shorter than every other metal gear (3 can be completed on EE without glitching in an hour) and you have no patience for stealth.

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GOTYYYY

>>389331705
>which actually deserved it
Not even in 1998.

>>389331889
crying wolf is a fucking phenomenal boss, surprised /v/ doesn't mention it as much. Fighting her on the boss extreme is one of the most intense things I've done in a game

>>389330312
>Just by updating visuals it should be 38 or 39/40

Metroid 2 was not good to begin with

>>389331738
I liked it. :)

>>389331938
Damn

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>>389331769
>>389331861
>>389331963
none of you kids were around when it came out, stop pretending otherwise

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>>389331980
>Metroid 2 was never goo-

>>389331938
Blunder of the century. How could Taxman fuck this up so badly?

>>389331938
Wait how does the scores work?

Did they suddenly become more strict?

>>389330985
>should be the lowest

1 > 3 >> 2

fuck that tired light/dark world gimmick. it was garbage in lttp, and it was awful in that..
>>389330312
what's wrong with it?

>>389332057
>loaded that up
>bad music assaults my ears within 30 seconds
>even though they just ripped off actual metroid music it's bad
>bad writing
>get to first stage
>bad music
>delete folder

how many years for that again? shame.

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remember, this turd got a perfect score. for reference.

>>389332174
>1 > 3 >> 2

>fuck that tired light/dark world gimmick. it was garbage in lttp, and it was awful in that..

worst taste I've seen on /v/ in a while, good job

>>389332139
>>Wait how does the scores work?
Four reviewers give a score out of ten and then the scores are totaled out of 40

>>389332232
>turd
XD

>>389332057
The music and atmosphere was completely shit.

>>389331963
>>389331861
>>389331769
imagine being this much of a hipster

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>>389332232

>>389332043
It's not terrible, it's just not 10 material.

>>389332257
No I thought they were super generous or something. Sonic mania deserves more than an 8/10 on their scale

>>389330894
it's true, the reason why the series has always sold good and not amazingly is because Japan buys like 100k copies when Nintendo is lucky, the sales for Metroid mostly come from Europe and the US...

>>389332314
yes it was, emphasis on was. It's not even a top 3 zelda now

>>389332328
>I thought they were super generous or something
Only if it's normie bait or made in Japan. They do not care about niche baka gaijin/indie games

What is it about Metroid that Japs don't like? At least the 2D ones. The Prime series obviously doesn't appeal to them due to the shift to first person.

>>389332460
They take direct inspiration from baka gaijin sci-fi movies and are therefor inviting the white devil into their homes. Plus, the average Jap is an ultra-casual that doesn't understand why Metroid can't crawl

>>389332598
the metroid games are all piss easy though baring prime 2 on hard

Famitsu gave God Hand a 26/40 and Demon's Souls a 29/40, opinion eternally discarded.

Do we have a bingo card yet over this game? I feel like there should be considering how many little nitpicks and exaggerations you fags make.

>comparing it to other me
>muh graphics
>muh mercury stream
>muh counters trivialize everything
>muh 200 second cutscenes every time you do anything
>muh amiibo content
>muh actual puzzles (puzzles are a bad thing now)
>muh metroids actually have some variety

>>389332460
Japs aren't very fond of these types of exploratory platformer action games if I remember correctly. They've always appreciated more character-driven stories rather than games that are driven entirely by the player's exploration of the environment.

Which is why Other M was super linear and story-focused; it was made to appeal to the Japanese fans that the series never hit very strongly with. But it failed to attract new audiences and alienated the western fans in the process.

>>389332639
>muh am2r

>>389332691
then why did famitsu suck BotW's dick?

>>389332280
"oot isn't perfect" is not a hot take at all

>>389332638
>The difference between God Hand and Demon Souls is equal to the difference between Sonic Mania and Other M
wew. numbers were a mistake.

>>389330665

A Metroid game getting scored the same as a Sonic game. What a crazy world.

>>389332765
a 10 is not a perfect dumbo

>>389332762
Thinking about it that wouldn't explain Breath of the Wild's praise there too. So maybe they just really hate the western sci-fi action-horror thing tinge ontop of the non-linearity. BotW being fantasy with a very Miyazaki-style flair about it really likely helped more ontop of being more traditional in gameplay in terms of mechanical factors and so forth than the Metroid games.

>>389332397
Never clicked with me on that level. My initial playthrough took over a month because I was more interested in other stuff I was playing. In contrast, LttP had a lock on my attention for a week. Ocarina's alright. I just didn't feel it was God's gift to games, even back when.

>>389332598
>>389332691
Fucking Japs. I guess that's why Samus has an english only voice in Smash.

>>389332765
No one said perfect, it's impossible to have a perfect game

>>389332879
and I'm supposed to take someone who played these games as a child more seriously than the massive universal acclaim of eveyone else because?

>>389332828
>>389332941
"oot isn't a perfect score" then ffs
>it's impossible to have a perfect game
what is Pong

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>>389333075
The only perfect games are Super Metroid, REmake and Dark Souls.

>>389333075
haha epic, I bet you think tetris is perfect too

>>389333106
>Dark Souls
hope you enjoy Lost Izalith and the Bed of Chaos anon

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>>389333106
>dark souls
>perfect

lol fuck off. I'll give you REmake backtracking with Chris is horrendous too. SM is the closest but it's still too easy

>>389330562
That's a terrible score for Famitsu

>>389333004
You're not. I'm not trying to persuade you, just disagreeing with you. But you also shouldn't take it personally when someone doesn't adore a game as much as you do.

>>389333127
not without instant dropping

>>389333232
Well then fuck Japan.

>>389333908
famitsu is not japan and kotaku is not america

>>389332232
>Do I fit in yet?

>>389333232
Famitsu thought DB Xenoverse was worse then Ultimate Tenkaichi and gave Jojo's All Star Battle a perfect 40

They're stupid

>>389334571
>DB Xenoverse was worse then Ultimate Tenkaichi and gave Jojo's All Star Battle a perfect 40
They were right

>trusting Famitsu
>literally admitted to inflating scores based on hype
Any opinion of theirs, positive or negative, should be disgarded

Everyone at Famitsu needs to be fired

>>389330312
>8s across the board is a bad score
I fucking hate you retards so much it's not even funny.

>>389337316
read the thread

>>389337335
I read the thread. Famitsu is one of the worst reviewers. They are the laughing stock of Japanese reviewers. I should know, I work for one

>>389337503
Well then now you know people are disappointed solely because it's a Famitsu 8/10, which is a 6/10 or a 7/10 from a typical reviewer.

>>389337638
That is untrue. The weighing behind Famitsu reviews is such bull.
I heard a story from one of my colleagues that works there, that originally a game was going to get an 18/40, but the boss said that was too low, so they were given a "7 minimum"

Same the flipside, they were reviewing a niche game the boss didn't like, so they were given an 8 maximum

>>389337738
The numbers don't matter? No...
It's funny, I notice a lot of the time writers don't even change the content of the review when they're mandated to change the number.

>>389330312
Who care about famitsu? When is the .cia dropping?

>>389337981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KAGwNtI26w?t=18

replace it with Famitsu

>>389338179
actually anon, this is a better video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkMgAzpcI8k

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>>389331593
>SENSATIONAL
>STORYLINE

>>389330312
>Lower score than Other M

Even if SR turns out to be underwhelming there's no way it will be worse than Other M.

>>389338478
Refer to >>389331380, the game is pretty much just a 2.5D Other M.

>>389330312
OP that literally an 85 over there.

>>389330312
>we live in a day and age where 8/10 is a low score

I want all of you millennial faggots to stop posting here. Let's do some simple fucking math.

0 (lowest score) + 10 (highest score) = 10
10 (the lowest and the highest added) / 2 (the number of potential scores on the lowest and highest ends) = 5 (the average score)

So if 5 is the average score, I thiiiink 8 might just be 3 points above average, I don't know, you might have to check the math on this one. And before anyone gets funny with
>le buttmad nintenbabby :^)
this shit pisses me off regardless of what the game is. My qualm is with retards not understanding that 8 is a respectable score.

>>389338571
Hi ACFag!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsDru1kD9x0&t=681s
Him and SomeCallMeJohnny (The biggest metroid fan on Youtube) love it so far.

And SCMJ > Famitsu every day of the week

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>>389336297
This guy

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>>389338751
>Liked by reviewers

The opinions of normies will always be wrong, I don't enjoy cinematic trash.

>>389338821
SCMJ is not a reviewer. He got it from his reviewer friend who had an extra copy, so... good job, your own argument collapsed from below you.

>>389338821
>The opinions of normies will always be wrong,
your top 10 has at least one game that has generally positive reception

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>>389338895
>Not a reviewer
>When his channel description says he reviews games old and new

>>389339145
A reviewer as in "gets a copy of a game in advance to review from the publisher"

He isn't paid, he's a reviewer who buys the games unless given by a friend who broke street date. There's a HUGE difference between the two

>>389331963
Were you even concieved yet?

>>389331352
Metroid 2 is one of the best Gameboy games out there. Eat shit.

>>389333232
>That's a terrible score for Famitsu
No. It's a typical 'decent' score for Famitsu. Equivalent to IGN's 7.9.

>>389339145
>tfw you will never be as autistic as ACfag

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>>389339324
Well, we'll see when the game is finally released.

>>389338754
Xenoverse was trash

>>389338751
>Johnny loves it

Source? Don't see any SR tweets on his account.

>>389339604
Who the fuck asked for your opinion?

>>389339670
Wow it's almost like the link is right there

and if

and if you click on it

wow you will know what he thinks

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>>389339725
Why the unnecessary hostility?

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>people don't know that famitsu is literally pay off the journos or get a shit score the magazine

>>389339871
Who asked for your shit taste to be plastered in an unrelated thread? Keep your autism to yourself

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>so many people are trying thier hardest to make this game bomb because it's not a perfect remake of the worst Metroid game
You people have some problems.

>>389339983
where did he touch you, anon?

>>389339779
Derrick says he loves it. The only mention of Johnny I heard was when Derrick stated he asked him for advice on a certain puzzle.

>>389340095
>not in Johnny's discord for close friends
kek
Also ShadowMario3 likes it too. He's a very small LPer who got a review copy from Nintendo. But he's only 38k subs

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>>389331380
Samus Returns is a bullshit "cinematic experience," and for once it's not okay when Nintendo does it.

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>>389330312
>Famitsu

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>>389330312
>8 is bad now

>>389330312
Famitsu is bad and you should feel bad.

>>389340970
>8 is good
That's a C+ at my university.

>>389340970
It's bad when it's a game I want to fail

>>389330312
>Just by updating visuals it should be 38 or 39/40
Metroid 2 wasn't exactly a 38-39 to begin with, at least not in the eyes of the general public.

>>389330312
Many people hated 2. But regardless. Samus Returns seems really good.

Doesn't look very promising

>>389341278
what kind of shithole do you go to that doesn't curve based on the average?

>>389330312
Someone try this steam code:
VP0H5-D524B-VBM9B

>>389330312
>Just by updating visuals

>remake makes it look like cheap indie/NDS shit

>>389342225
What is this shit game

>>389342313
Idk what was it, I dont have steam with me so fucking tell me

>>389339604
>look at all the games I haven't played but have opinions on

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>>389342560
I don't need my hands on Xenoblade 2 to know that it's going to be cinematic garbage, the first game has over ten hours of cutscenes which is laughable. There's no reason to assume the second one won't follow suit.

Also worth noting that I judge games based on performance and whether or not they have microtransactions of any form.

>>389342170
Looks very promising if you don't look at numbers from a shit magazine

>>389342560
imagine still replying to ACfag lmao

>>389342560

DON'T REPLY TO ACFAG

>>389342363
Some early access game called Minion Masters

>>389330894
Look at every "Best ever" Japanese list. Metroid has never came close to it. Metroid has always been a game for westerners like Punch-Out!!

>>389342829
>the effort that went into this pic
some lardass is mad

>>389330894

It's true, it's damn true! :(

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>>389330312

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>>389330312
>How it was even possible to fuck up remake
Are you retarded? It's been outsourced to the studio that's ruined Castlevania.

>>389343315
Prime for 33/40. So "slightly less than the best Metroid game (tied with Fusion)" is a very good score

>>389330312
??? what did you expect? it's not a completely new metroid story. it's a remake. that's a great score for a remake. besides, it's just one review (yeah, it's technically 4 but let's be honest, they totally all agreed to give the game an 8)

>>389343315
Outsourced but under supervision by Nintendo, not outsourced and left to make a piece of shit like with Castlevania.

>>389343424
Forget the score. MercurySteam is the developer.

>>389343013
Youre welcome, friend

>>389343296
japanese people just plain don't make or play FPS games

>>389343465
>Outsourced but under supervision by Nintendo
Just like Other M, yeah. And Kojima was supposed to have been personally supervising Castlevania. The reality is that it's an outsource job to a studio that's never made a good game AND has already failed at making Castlevania.

>>389343465
>b-b-but it was s-supervised by n-nintendo
it was still made by a garbage dev
nintendo didnt touch it

>>389339604
>over-engineered bait

>>389343315

That was due to Konami's laziness. Retro was the same way, couldn't even get a game out the door, which is why Nintendo had to step in and place a dictatorship until Metroid Prime was finished.

How the fuck hasn't the ROM leaked yet? Even /hbg/ doesn't seem to have it

>>389342829
Some people like narrative and it's the reason jrpgs exist. You have autism.

>>389343537
>Director(s) Takehiko Hosokawa
>>389343532
Konami management has always been abysmal, especially in that era when they ruined by CV and SH by outsourcing them to shitty no name companies and letting them do whatever they wanted.

>>389343629
>>389343561
Dont reply to ACfag

>>389342829
That pic relies entirely on a notion that a videogame is a strictly defined thing.
The reason why everything is called videogames is because of convenience, in reality it's a very broad thing, even more broad than movies or drawings. It's bunch of code binding together any sort of interactive media in any form, that's too large of a thing to codify.
Your complaints are valid for certain things, but what about people that honestly enjoy VN like games or interactive stories? There is literally nothing you can do to forbid people from creating story heavy interactive software nor can you stop people from enjoying them.

>>389343567
>Retro was the same way, couldn't even get a game out the door,
Retro keeps making amazing games to this day. MercurySteam has not made a good game ever, and they already had a crach at a major metroidvania franchise--the other fucking half of the "metroidvania" pseudogenre term name. And they've failed completely.

And your trust in Nintendo never failing metroid is just hilarious, considering what happened to Other M. Jesus christ, you're probably not stupid, just extremely optimistic. Good for you, but take fucking care.

>>389343682
>>389343671

>>389343671
I don't know who that is. I've been here for a while but I feel like I should. is he always this autistic? Been mostly on /co/ recently...

>>389331326
Japan doesn't really like Metroid, it is the west that's been primarily fapping to the franchise. Why is everyone so surprised at this?

>>389343649
>Konami management has always been abysmal
Nintendo has already fucked an outsourced Metroid game before. And now it's not just outsourced, but outsourced to an even worse studio.

>>389343704
Oh fuck off the first lords of shadow was alright. Nothing mind blowing but it was alright.

>>389330312
To be honest Famitsu scores are usually pretty nonsensical

>>389343760
He has been at this for years, just dont reply to him.

>>389330312
japan doesn't like metroid at all. I'm not surprised.
They gave Nintendogs a fucking perfect score ffs.
it was a fun game but not perfect

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>>389343814
>the first lords of shadow was alright
No.

>>389330312
By the same retards who took a shit on Castlevania, three times, comes another game with a big spaniard turd on it

>>389343764
>Nintendo has already fucked an outsourced Metroid game before
That was seven years ago and during their Wii phase when they wanted the most casual of casuals in existence. Plus they seem to have heard the feedback since Samus doesn't talk and there's no unskippable cutscenes (or any plot related cutscenes).

>>389343886
I honestly wonder what IP they'll murder next.

>>389343892
As I said, your optimism is overwhelming. Don't get burned too hard. And certainly make sure you don't fall into denial.

>>389343830
Yeah, it really was.

>>389343886
Also the game is really good according to everyone. Looking at it as a 32/40 makes it super disingenuous. It's four 8 ratings, not one 32/40

>>389343830
It was alright if you stop treating it like a Castlevania game. It was Kojima that turned it into one, it was originally just suppose to be a GoW clone but with vampires.

I'd like this game to be good just because I think I'd enjoy a metroidvania on my currently very unused 3DS. It would be a nice before I put my 3DS away forever.

>>389343938
If Other Other M is as bad as Castlevanias were, they're probably going to go under.

>>389343978
No. No, it wasn't.

>>389343956
>not subscribing to the usual /v/ doom and gloom around any game's release is being overly optimistic

>>389344025
Expecting a company that's "rebooted" and ruined Castlevania, including a straight-on attempt at making a 2d metroidvania and a 3d remake of SotN, to not ruin Metroid, is overly optimistic, yes.

>People are unironically calling this game good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd3DtWEXRng

>>389344013
Yes it is
>>389344004
It will, don't worry

>>389344120
No, it is not.

>>389330976
>I know it all boils down to opinions and nitpicks
That's what nintenbros have been taught to believe and that's plain sad.

>>389344094
Nigga, it was fucking Kojima that made it a Castlevania game. It originally had nothing to do with the franchise.

>>389339604
>the top tier is filled with garbage indie trash

Really makes you think...

>>389344163
I mean the metroid design is literally a nitpick

>>389344094
They had ZERO direction with Castlevania, just told to make one. Metroid is being overseen by Nintendo, and just like their other collab not develeoped by them game recently (Mario + Rabbids) , they won't let shit by.

Grant Kirkhope even literally said that he sent a theme in for it, it had ONE note that was slightly off and they sent it back and said "Fix it"

>>389331380
I'm getting massive Other M PTSD, this barely looks like 2D Metroid.

>>389343830
I'm the guy you responded to.

To be honest it had great art direction excellent voice work neat environments and a really solid story outside of the dlc fuckery. The game was solid and played like gow.

I also know that people were let down by it and dislike it for not really being anything like the previous games so I completly see where you are coming from even if I disagree with you.

>>389344094
Those attempts at making a game were without supervision from anybody with experience. Don't underestimate the importance of leadership.

>>389344172
>>389344247
>>389344286
It was not Kojima that's made three shitty Castlevanias in a row and driven the franchise intot he ground forever. What's up with you shitters? "It wasn't MercurySteam that's ruined Castlevania, it was Kojima!" and "MercurySteam are irrelevant, nintendo won't let them fuck up Metroid!"--what's up with this shit? You shitters are in deep, deep denial already, aren't you?

>>389344307
Yes, in denial because I won't buy into the standard narrative surrounding any game's release on this board.

>>389344307
Konami, not Kojima. You have to be trolling now.

>>389332691
So nips are retards and Nintendo is trying to turn the Zelda/Metroid fanbases into retards as well?

>>389331797
>Also, why are there fucking puzzles in a goddamn Metroid game? The whole thing looks terrible.

i'm guessing you never played the prime trilogy?

>>389344307
Anon, if it wasn't suppose to be a Castlevania game, you damn well know people wouldn't be as hard on them. If it was just suppose to be an original IP that's a GoW-clone, people wouldn't be bitching this hard at them at this game.

>>389342876

Doesn't look very promising if you look at the gameplay videos.

>>389344364
You're not rational if you're merely contrarian. You're also being an idiot, just with a different leaning.

>>389344394
No, it was Kojima that took a look at what Mercury had done so far, saw vampires and whips, and said, 'This should be a Castlevania game' and thus, was made into a Castlevania game.

>>389331094
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>>389331436
>>389331593
>>389338821
>>389339145
>>389339871
>>389342829
>>389343315
Are you in every fucking thread? What's actually wrong with you?

>>389344394
Read the posts I'm replying to, e.g. >>389344172
. They claim that Kojima personally made it into a Castlevania game. I'm fully aware how wrong that is.

>>389344364
There's being sceptical, then there's being mindless.
Do not walk that line.

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>>389344552
I haven't posted about this since the game was announced, dipshit.

>>389344480
If the west ends up giving it 9's and you fuckers suddenly go 'PAID REVIEWS', I am going to find where you live and force to you eat a bag of dicks and crows.

>>389344552
Just think, he's been doing this for seven years now. Other M basically ruined his life. Well that and autism.

>>389344564
It was him personally that suggested it to be turned into one. It really didn't have anything to do with Castlevania prior to that.

>>389344624
you own a bag of dicks? that's weird

>>389344394
and
>>389344686
start talking to each other and not me, dipshits. One of you is wrong.

>>389344624
You sound like you're mentally challenged.

>>389333075
A bad version of Windjammers.

>>389339604
Notice how the games get more expensive as you go lower.

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>>389344835
this is the worst post I have ever seen

>>389343315
Didn't they fuck up the sequel so bad it killed the franchise?

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>>389345140
I HURT MYSELF TODAY

>>389345140
They rebooted the original, then they released a 2d metroidvania that was painfully forgettable. Then they released a reimagining of SotN that was so bad that the franchise went under forever.

Now they're developing the 3ds Metroid. Argument for them:
>Actually, it was Konami that's ruined Castlevania.
The truth is that MercurySteam were in full control of the projects, had full creative freedom and failed to make een a single good game.
>Nintendo would never allow them to make a shitty metroid game. Nintendo jsut sin't like that.
Nintendo has already allowed an outsource studio to fuck up Metroid with Other M. This has already happened.

Bad studio + a whole load of bad precedents on both sides = justified skepticism.

>>389345225
So what's the story behind this game getting a poor reception? The first one seemed to have a good one.

>>389344745
It was Kojima. That guy just wants to believe Kojima can do no wrong.

http://www.siliconera.com/2012/08/02/hideo-kojima-turned-lords-of-shadow-into-castlevania-lords-of-shadow/

>>389344832
What's wrong child, too afraid to say retarded?

>>389332057
>savior of the franchise
>has other mole shit

>>389345320
Kojima had not par tin developing Lords of Shadow. He was the exec that greenlit the thing, he promoted the game on reveal, and that was it. And he sure as fuck had nothing to do whatsoever with LoS2 or the 3ds failure of a metroidvania.

>>389332270
>>389332296
>>389334496
>wanting Metroid to be that overrated shit like BotW
go to bed ex-Retro employees

>>389345397
The point is that it wasn't suppose to be a Castlevania game. If it wasn't, the game wouldn't have been judged so harshly.

>>389345302
>they released a reimagining of SotN that was so bad that the franchise went under forever
What exactly was so bad about it?

>The truth is that MercurySteam were in full control of the projects, had full creative freedom and failed to make een a single good game
>Nintendo has already allowed an outsource studio to fuck up Metroid with Other M. This has already happened
If you looked at all the interviews you'd know that Sakamoto is 100% responsible for the Other M disaster, the guy is an absolute control freak who took charge of pretty much all aspects of the story, gameplay and even cutscenes. There's likely not a single chance the guy would allow MS to take the game anywhere but its "vision".

>Bad studio + a whole load of bad precedents on both sides = justified skepticism
You got it wrong here, it's not the studio, it's Sakamoto.

Sakamoto in charge of Metroid = Bad Metroid

>>389345507
If it wasn't, neither of us would have even ehard about it. But that doesn't change the fact that it was irrelevant and utterly passable. Meanwhile, LoS2 and MoF were absolutely, 100% Castlevania games from the get go, and they were EVEN WORSE.

>>389345565
But Sakamoto worked on half the metroid games

>>389345565
>What exactly was so bad about it?
I'm not planning on discussing the fucking Lords of Shadow shit with you. If you legitimately liked it, there's no reason for you to fear for Metroid. My point is, Metroid is unlikely to be better than MercurySteam's previous output. If you were perfectly content with their earlier shit, I'm sure they'll be able to deliver that level of "qualty" again too.

>You got it wrong here, it's not the studio, it's Sakamoto.
Oh god, you ignorant fucking imbecile.

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>>389345320
>It was actually fucking Kojimbo's fault
What the hell

>>389332232
I never beat this and haven't played since April, I'm itching to play it again.

>>389345692
And Other M was Sakamoto's fault and not post-Itagaki Team Ninja's. Check it out: >>389345565

These shitters are in some real-deal denial.

>>389345579
Tha game was nothing more than a GoW-clone cashgrab. As long as it had the Castlevania name attached to it, Konami was milking the fuck out of it. They gave them exactly what Konami wanted. Again, if it was unrelated to the Castlevania franchise, it would have most likely started and ended on the first LoS game as an average game.

>>389345619
He basically just needs to never attempt writing a story with Samus as his vision of her character or designing a game with an emphasis on story again.

>>389345809
You again? Argue with the guy I'm arguing with, not me, you fucking idiot.

>>389345320
DID YOU RIKE IT

>>389330312
>Just by updating visuals it should be 38 or 39/40
What? Return of samus was arguably the worst metroid game before other m happened, that score is really good considering the game they're remaking

>>389345830
Sakamoto has made great Metorid games before. Post-Itagaki Team Ninja (basically not Team Ninja at all, just a studio at Koei at that point) hasn't made a single good game. Use your brain. Sakamoto said it was his fault in direct, which is part of Nintendo corporate culture: the boss takes the fucking blame. The real problem was outsourcing to a shitty studio.

Alternatively, Retro is still making stellar games. They were a safe bet. Unlike the mother fucking MercurySteam, let alone Tecmo Koei.

>>389345780
Yeah I know about the "Why is the gravity suit purple that's silly" debacle. Sakamoto does seem to have had a slight change of heart though, so I'm willing to give him another chance with Samus Returns.

>>389345780
Anon, no. MoM happened because they essentially split the game between both of them. Both of them had different idea on how to make the game (2D vs 3D, etc) and they just mashed all the ideas together. Unless you can pinpoint exactly which part was Ninja Team's idea and which wasn't, and know which are the good parts (There was none), the blame is roughly 50/50 between the two of them.

>>389346106
He had practically nothing to do with Other M and he has practically nothing to do with Samus Returns. Just like Kojima was with Lords of Shadow, he's just a producer.

>>389346136
100% of development was Team Ninja. It was an outsource job. Nintendo only chimed in for promotion.

>>389345895
You replied to my fucking post, you idiot. Kojima turned it into a Castlevania game, and Konami then proceeded to take the Castlevania game and ran it into the ground because it was no longer an original IP but a Castlevania one and the rabid fans reacted accordingly.

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>>389330312
>An 80 is terrible
What even started this "perfectionist parent" mentality? Why is it that only games that ever score a 90 or above are considered good while everything else is thought to be absolute shit?

>>389346295
>Konami then proceeded to take the Castlevania game and ran it into the ground
MercurySteam was the developer. They had full creative control of all three projects.

>>389346220
The story and characterization was all Sakamoto, that much is undeniable.

>>389346367
Famitsu scores are even more fucked up than western review scores. Anything less than a 38 is bad, and every big jap game has reviews blatantly paid off

>>389346367
>An 80 from a teacher that hands out As is good

>>389330312
Wheres your fucking SAUCE op?

>>389346096
Sakamoto started fucking up the franchise the moment he was let in charge with Fusion. Then he gave up on the series mechanics and made that Other M abomination which is ALL on him.

You're a blind retard if you can't see that he's the scourge fucking up Metroid.

>>389346367
>What even started this "perfectionist parent" mentality?
These reviewers award perfect scores to so-so games and average scores to horrible shit. It's the not the readers who are at fault.

Something like Watch Dogs should get 5s, something like Dark Souls 3 should get 7s. Meanwhile, game journalists mostly deal with rabid fanboys and maximalist teenagers, so the base score seems to be 8/10 and it grows from that. As such, 8/10 is basically "the worst possible while still being playable".

>>389346428
Yes, but none of that is relevant in a Metroid game. Tecmo Koei were the ones who made that story into intrusive noninteractive cutscenes, while completely fucking up gameplay in the process.

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>>389346527
He's been in charge since Super though.

>>389346428
Everything was Sakamoto, the shitty Wiimote only, the missiles, the point and click. Other M is 100% Sakamoto autism.

>>389346380
Nigga, it's Konami we're talking about here. Do yoy think they would not actively meddle in the development of one of their big name franchises?

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It was probably too hard for them.

Why didn't they make this for the switch ? Why for the outdated 3DS?

>>389346527
>Sakamoto ... made that Other M abomination which is ALL on him.
Man, you delusional douche. Look up his credentials. Look up when he started working on Metroid.

Are Nintendofags going to keep huffing Metacritic pole to keep their games relevant from now on? Jesus man, who the fuck cares.

>>389346591
That story and charactarization would be just as bad if they implemented in interactive scenarios

>>389346690
What Mario game are they talking about?

The blame for Other M falls on everyone's shoulders.
Sakamoto was a terrible director who was stubborn about taking input from his team and had no idea how to direct a 3D action game. Team Ninja pitches the psuedo-NES 3D action game concept to Sakamoto as a compromise, which he accepted, and failed to make it work. D-Rockets absolutely had an impact on the emphasis on the story, its scripting and its presentation. It was a bad team structure, and even though Sakamoto was a hugely negative influence on the game he should stop being treated as this scapegoat for all of Metroids problems.

On a similar note, treating Samus Returns like its development is the same as Other Ms or Mirror of Fates is ridiculous. MercurySteam had a different creative head on LoS, one who's infamously a piece of shit, while with Metroid they're working closely with series mainstays like Sakamoto and the level designer from the GBA titles. As for Sakamoto he's working in a lot more familiar territory (even if he didn't direct Metroid 2 itself) with people he's worked with before. They also have a leash on him. Metroid has had both good games come out of partnerships as well as bad ones, and Retro Studios had less of a resume than even MercurySteam has back when Prime 1 was made, so it's better to keep your expectations reserved and just play the game for yourself once it's out.

Im tired of the fucking hyperbole and witch hunting in these threads. Can we please get our hands on the game before making up tons of shit about it? We have posts about how casualized and easy the game is, or how overpowered abilities are, or how its a cinematic movie game that fails to understand the appeal of Metroid 2, EVERY fucking day from people who have only watched Treehouse footage of Area 1. It's ridiculous.

>>389345692
I know that it's hard to believe, but Kojima is a fucking hack

>>389346656
>Do yoy think they would not actively meddle in the development of one of their big name franchises?
They did not meddle with MercurySteam's Castlevania development at all. MS fucked that shit up all on their own.

>>389346792
It would be irrelevant in a Metroid game.

>>389345665
You paranoid fucktard, I just asked what went wrong about these games since I never played them and was looking for some arguments yet not only do you fail to provide any you even start making up stories. Also FYI, Other M being so fucked up is all Sakamoto's work, Ninja Team and staff made it clear that all they ever did was follow his instructions and being baffled by how batshit the guy and his instrictions were.

>>389346759
because youre a filthy early adopter

>>389346621
Not even trying to defend him here, but that can't be the case as if he really got full control, it would have been a full 2D game instead of 2.5D that happened. MoM fault is pretty much roughly 50/50 beteeen Sakamoto and Team Ninja here.

>>389346826
Where the fuck do you think you are?
Also
>people
2 people*

>>389346815
Cuphead, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848Y1Uu5Htk

>>389346826
Yes, yes, the same exact outsource setup as was with Tecmo Koei, but now with a Spanish studio that's ruined Castlevania. But, according to you, it's completely different, so it'll be alright.

>>389346850
You're an idiot of you think Konami did not meddle in a goddamn Castlevania game.

>>389346616
You're either utterly ignorant about his role in the development of Super or a downright retard.

>>389346772
Nah, I realise that you're the one who has absolutely no fucking idea about what were his contributions to the franchise and the insanity it fell into the more he took charge.

>>389346889
We've discussed Lords of Shadow five years ago. Go back to that time if you want a serious discussion of that irrelevant garbage. Or play the games and make your own conclusions (LoS has a demo, for example; MoF has been ported to Steam). Or else, take our conclusions for granted. The first game is a painfully mediocre grimdark Western reboot of the franshise in the veins of DmC, the metroidvania is dull as shit and the third game was a spectacular mess that got the director into interviews about "please pray tell, how did this shit crash and burn so hard?"

>>389347048
He was the director of Super Metroid, I'd imagine directors have a pretty big role in the game's development.

>>389330312
If she was wearing the Zero Suit and was constantly almost getting raped by tentacles and screaming "muh baby" while aliens remodeled her shithole, than japan would give a shit about the series and it would have a 40/40 instead.

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>>389346935
everytime i watch this I get physically anxious and angry

this video evokes powerful mixture of emotions that I didn't feel in decades

>>389346968
They simply didn't. That's the fact. No information about Konami meddling ahs ever surfaced, and even the director has not even tried to blame Konami in the aftermath of the LoS2 fiasco.

>>389347195
I hate how he tries to justify it as "it was my first time playing the game".
More like his first time playing any video game, fucking retard. They have the gall to shove it in our face too and not give a shit.

>>389331570
no

Why everyone keep pretending that we don't have several hours of footage of this game and act is if it has any chance of being a linear hack n' slash?

>>389346965
It is completely different.
And most of the issues that led to LoS being such a disaster aren't present with Samus Returns.

>>389331769
You have to be underage to not appreciate Ocarina of Time. At least not older than 25.

<25 or a Sony nigger.

>>389330312
>out of 40 score
>obviously famitsu
Japan never really got Metroid which is why Other M was made so Japanese that the west (metroid's most successful audience) wondered why it changed the way it was. No wonder they lower scores in jap mags

>>389347353
More like the opposite. The older you grow and the more you replay it, the more the stupid shit it did becomes obvious.

>>389331570
>Remember ten years ago when /v/ wasn't known as /pol/ 2.0 formerly known as /b/ 2.0?
I came to /v/ back in 2006, and the reason I came was because /b/ introduced the reporting feature and started banning people for organizing invasions and posting CP. The whole idea of the exodus was that we were not just invading another board, but completely relocating to it en-masse forever. The motto literally was "/v/ is the new /b/".

So ten years ago I was a crazy mouthbreather from /b/. Now I'm a family man. I can absolutely attest that /v/'s become infinitely cleaner with the years.

>>389347439
>the more the stupid shit it did becomes obvious.
Elaborate

>>389347235
I'm not saying Konami singlehandedly ruined the game, i'm saying both side had probably contributed to it. Mercury did some things to fuck up but to say it's all on them is a very naive claim.

>>389331326
Mgs4 is a perfect videogame

>>389331457
Wrong. Theres nothing good about AM2R.

>>389347526
>Introduced hand holding tutorials
>Far more linear than ALttP thanks to more strict item gating
>Not as many items to find in the overworld compared to ALttP
>Dungeons are all linear and gate you behind a string of locked doors unlike ALttP
It's a good game without a doubt but it's overrated by all the N64toddlers that infest this board.

>>389347574
Konami had practically nothing to do with it.

>>389332273
Which would be true except it has the best track in Metroid since Red Soil

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx-M0rZYtug&t=0s

>>389347526
Let's start with the unskippable cutscenes, very noticeable when starting any new game a very long loading screen that you can't even go away from as you need to skip the text manually.

Ask for more if you want to keep painting the game red.

>>389347824
Tell me honestly. Do you truly believe Konami would not meddle in any way in a Castlevania game?

>>389347730
Go to bed Bizarro.

>>389347830
Can you shitters post links to normal length for once? Why the fuck do you autists insist on listening to the same music over and over and over and over and over and over again? I turn it on in the background, and after 15 minutes it's still not fucking over although it's looped a million times, and I look, and sure enough, another special needs child has posted his sperg version.

>>389347939
Yes, absolutely. When they outsource games to Western studios, that means they are washing their hands off it almost completely. Same as it was with DmC or Dead Rising, etc.

>>389331769
>>389331861
>>389331963
Ask me how I know you weren't even born when it came out.

>>389348185
Because the odds that I was born when it came out (November 21st, or November 23rd) is statistically unlikely.

>>389348064
Seems like we just have to disagree here. Not much more can be said since neither of us are going to give up our stances on the matter

>>389348064
>When they outsource games to Western studios, that means they are washing their hands off it almost completely
Except that Sakamoto is in charge, it's gonna be another Other M.

>>389348347
Right. I base my opinion on the fact that, even with all teh excuses, MercurySteam people never blamed Konami's executive meddling. In fact, MercyrySteam designers have blamed their OWN executive meddling extensively, but never, ever blamed Konami.

>>389347973
Because when I went looking for the soundtrack a million years ago that was the first one posted on Youtube that was actually what I was looking for. Nobody had uploaded a "normal" length version. Sorry I tickled your autism, friend, I'll try to avoid it in the future.

>plot is contained to short chozo lore segments
>casual playthrough takes ~10-12 hours
>no Zero Suit outside the death animation
>Harder than AM2R

https://youtu.be/OsDru1kD9x0

Is it safe to say Samus has officially Returned?

>>389348468
And I'm saying that as the owners of the IP, that Konami did not in any way contributed to the game, is a naive one. I'm just one of those people that find it hard to believe you can singlehandledly (and conveniently) blame one person/company for everything. I'm not saying Mercury did no wrong but to say everything is their fault is just foolish.

>>389330312
Maybe it's repetitive and slightly inscrutable like the original

>>389348846
They contracted those shitters to make them a Castlevania game. 99% of exec decisions happened BEFORE the deal was struck.

>>389348185
OOT doesn't a 10, more of a 9. It's a great game but some flaws hold it bad.

>>389346367
Because the ratings system has been fucked for years due to sites being bought out for higher ratings and causing the average to go higher. If your game isn't like an 8.8 or higher you are pretty much garbage, you won't have people touting you're "Game of the year", tons and tons of normal people look to Metacritic as some sort of Bible and if it's not at least a 90 they won't touch the game, and so on. The only exception I've ever seen to this is the following:
Indie games
A or AA games from a decent developer like Suda or Swery.
When it comes to these kinds of examples people tend to overlook scores and think of them normally like mid 70s being okay at best and still worth buying, but when it's someone big like Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, Konami, Squeenix, EA, Ubisoft, etc then it's cause for concern.

>>389347353
OoT is a bit overrated

>>389348787
>Contridicting /v/ shitposting

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>>389341278
>8 is a C
A flat 8 is a B-
What fucking shithole did you go to?

>>389349007
OoT is massively overrated.

FTFY

>>389340970
8 was D in my school and teachers gangraped any male student who got it

>>389348909
And you think the directions given to them beforehand were all 100% correct ones? Look, in the end, I'm just saying you can't only blame them for ruining the Castlevania series. There are enough people dipping their hands in this shit that there's plenty of blame to pass around. I'll admit Mercury, as developers, should have a good portion of the blame, but you can't blame them for everything, especially given it wasn't even suppose to be a Castlevania game and most likely not suppose to go beyond 1-2 games.

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>It's a remake
>it's a 3ds game

Hmm, i wonder why

>>389330312
Metroid was NEVER popular in Japan. It's a Western franchise at heart just like Zelda.